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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5
https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2065597942602531163 https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2065597942602531163
- varispeed 4mo agoDid Trump write this personally? > In fact, our safeguards are so strong that many users have complained that they are overly broad.
- bridgettegraham 4mo ago"i can has the bestest powers of the world, i is the strongest, i is the badest president ever" what a retard
- matheusmoreira 4mo agoYep. Time to explore the chinese open source models.
- rustcleaner 4mo agoWill an Anthropic insider please leak the model weights to bittorrent or ipfs or hyphanet? You will be a hero to the world if you do! Thank you in advance. :^)
- codedokode 4mo agoWhy not limit LLM access only to citizens? Do you want people in North Korea to use your LLM to automate their hacking?
- Phaedruss 4mo ago[dead]
- talesfromearth 4mo agoI'm so sick of all this Anthropic drama.
- jellyroll42 4mo agoTrump admin is helping them pump their IPO with this stunt
- atsjie 4mo agoA good way to push foreigners toward competitors and reduce any incentive to base you AI company in the US.
- AbstractH24 4mo agoThis might be the biggest favor to anthropics valuation that Trump could have done
- 1970-01-01 4mo agoI'm reminded of export restrictions on 40-bit encryption 30 years ago. It will pass when chips get cheaper and things become less one-sided.
- epsteingpt 4mo agochickens -> roost
- senderista 4mo agoThat's what you get for not being on the Epstein ballroom plaque.
- sourraspberry 4mo agoThis is very transparently Trump admin retribution, and I'm surprised this fact is being so widely ignored.
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- gaigalas 4mo agoMan, Opus 4.8 is feeling a lot smarter in the last few interactions. Is Anthropic silently serving Fable as Opus just to stick it to the man?
- MagicMoonlight 4mo ago[dead]
- mattlangston 4mo agoCrypto Wars v2. I know how this movie ends.
- recursivedoubts 4mo agoMay you live in interesting times.
- AndrewKemendo 4mo agoGreat time to remind people that this is meant to be a curse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_ti...
- operatingthetan 4mo agoI think that's how GP meant it
- AndrewKemendo 4mo agoYeah but readers may not know it that way https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/
- blooalien 4mo agoHahah! I'm one of today's lucky 10,000! :) Down the rabbit-hole with me now to discover who said it first... LOL! (Edit: Proving to be a fruitless quest thus far. Nobody seems to know.)
- bshacklett 4mo agoThis is one of the most wholesome and awesome things I've seen in a while. Thanks for sharing!
- blooalien 4mo agoGlad I clicked that Wikipedia link! Chinese curse... I'd always been told it was an old Bedouin curse. Learn somethin' new every day (still to this day, and every new day until I become physically incapable of learning).
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- EduardoBautista 4mo agoWell maybe now they will learn that they shouldn’t overhype the capabilities of their models.
- cobbal 4mo agoSadly, I suspect this will be the best piece of marketing they could ever hope for. "It's so advanced the government made us add extra security* to stop hackers!" *(ask it in a more stern voice)
- blooalien 4mo ago> * (ask it in a more stern voice) Surprisingly, I've found this works shockingly well (along with any plausible-sounding reason why it was wrong of the model to refuse) to "jailbreak" many models I've played with thus far. They're all just so eager to please...
- nphard85 4mo agoWill there be refund?
- songbird23 4mo agorefund for the tokens you already spent via the API or the $200 max that didnt really change?
- valleyer 4mo agoRefund for the subscription I started after the announcement of Fable.
- nphard85 4mo agoexactly
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- pixelpoet 4mo agoAlready got my refund, at least that was quick.
- foxtacles 4mo agoGot a refund for the full $200 subscription
- SXX 4mo agoFinally they will pay for all the scaremongering they been doing to sell their models as something so much ahead of all else. Now they finally found the right fools in audience to believe it.
- avaer 4mo agoThis affects more than just Anthropic. It's a game of thrones and everyone using this technology loses. I wouldn't cheer for that.
- ignoramous 4mo ago> It's a game of thrones and everyone using this technology loses Everyone? There's worlds outside of the United States government overreach.
- panny 4mo ago>everyone using this technology loses As someone not using the technology, I'm fine with that :) Intellectual property laundering was never a good thing. Glad we can begone with it.
- avaer 4mo agoThis doesn't help; customers will switch to a different model. It just means the government decides who gets to profit off of laundered IP, which is arguably even worse.
- panny 4mo agoI'm pretty sure it's the people paying for it that decide who profits off it.
- satvikpendem 4mo agoIntellectual property is not a good thing.
- chrismsimpson 4mo agoMy agitating prayer is that other nations (even so called US allies) will nationalise what they can (ie model weights already deployed within their jurisdictions). This is the only way to respond to a rogue US administration.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago> other nations will nationalise what they can The only other relevant players are France and China.
- chrismsimpson 4mo agoAnyone with these model weights deployed in their territory has this tool in their arsenal.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago> Anyone with these model weights And the hardware to run it. In any case, we have zero evidence these weights have leaked.
- xpct 4mo agoI've actually not thought about deployments in remote jurisdictions that much. I also don't think the models are dangerous enough to warrant it, but do you reckon the big labs have plans thought out for deleting remote model copies, such that they couldn't be scrubbed off cold NVMEs?
- tehjoker 4mo agoIf I read that right, the "jailbreak" is to ask the model to fix the codebase and then it exposes the flaws? That sounds like a gap that is nearly impossible to fix while retaining high capability. Like you want it to be able to fix your codebase...
- arplynn 4mo agoUS Government does bizarre, erratic thing which will likely be walked back shortly. Spectators nonplussed. Film at 11. Europe really needs to get some useful sovereign capability and right quick.
- operatingthetan 4mo ago>which will likely be walked back shortly. Well you said it yourself they are erratic, so maybe?
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- Levitz 4mo agoI'm confused, this just happened recent no? Why does the date read "Jun 11, 2026" ?
- wewewedxfgdf 4mo agoI guess if the CEO goes running around saying his own product is a pending mega disaster for society....... I'm glad I don't own stock in a public Anthropic.
- SXX 4mo agoThinking of it unfortunately there is good chance it exactly what they want for regulatory capture.
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- jordemort 4mo agoNothing but the highest quality drama and theater from Anthropic, as always
- estearum 4mo agoAh yes, the US government forcing private companies to stop selling their products is totally a sign of Anthropic's drama and not our paranoiac fascist regime.
- platinumrad 4mo agoIt's both.
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- this_user 4mo agoAnthropic spent months going on about how incredibly powerful and dangerous their models are and how access to them needs to be restricted. Now they are getting what they seemingly wanted.
- estearum 4mo agoClearly they've assessed that the models they released are safe enough to release. Without a clear regulatory framework and Constitutional basis to overrule them, that is Anthropic's decision to make, and not the US government's. It's disheartening how many people think the use of government power is justified or not based on the WWE smackdown drama they concoct in their own brain instead of, you know, the laws of our nation. It is very dangerous for the government to be able to shut off services, regardless of whether their owners wrote some blog posts that rubbed you the wrong way.
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- hgoel 4mo agoWell, there go any such claims of dangerousness in future models, regardless of if they are true or false. No one's going to risk building anything important on these models if the government will randomly order the use of the model to be discontinued by all foreigners, regardless of if they are in the US or not. Just a matter of a foreign company catching up to take the commercial market for such models (though, as the US often does, they'll ban the competitor, so actually we'll have a situation where the backend uses a different model in only the US).
- EgregiousCube 4mo agoI mean, lots of Americans would risk building something important with it in that case.
- hgoel 4mo agoWith how much foreign talent is involved in the tech world?
- convolvatron 4mo agoits establishing a bifurcation in the tech workforce at private companies into citizens and 'foreign nationals' for security reasons. that's not a very pretty precedent. pretty destructive given the pervasiveness of international workers in us tech. its just going to encourage organizations outside the US to further develop their own training methodologies and models. this cleaving of the us from good relations with other people is sold as a consolidation of strength. Made from a position of baseless hypernationalism, its just going to make the US much less relevant on the world stage.
- blurbleblurble 4mo agoYes, it's actually a consolidation of weakness
- dboreham 4mo agoAmericans didn't build the current AI tech.
- consumer451 4mo ago> The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees. The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance. How will this be implemented/verified? Also, does this mean that American citizens abroad will still be able to access it?
- wrs 4mo agoIt can’t be; that’s why they shut it off for everybody.
- axus 4mo agoExcept for the US Government. We can cancel all those data center plans, won't need them anymore.
- DANmode 4mo ago> we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers What’s not clear?
- consumer451 4mo agoOh, I just re-read it. I guess the first time my mind somehow implied "while we figure out how to comply..."
- pizzly 4mo agoEasy. Provide your government issued ID such as US passport before signing up to an AI provider. Issue fines or jail time to anyone who supplies their AI access to a foreign citizen
- Sanzig 4mo agoIt'll depend on what law they're restricting it under. The obvious play would be to put it on the Commerce Control List so it's covered by the EAR (Export Administration Regulations). If so, compliance is pretty well-understood, just a giant pain in the ass that'll pretty much limit use of these models to companies that already have EAR/ITAR compliance offices.
- rvz 4mo agoSo the US government was able to shut down that upgraded version of that slot machine in Anthropic's casino because of how powerful it is? There is something called the Streisand effect and they are about to unintentionally get a bunch of more token gamblers into their casino. We'll see if this backfires hard, but then again constant doomsaying will get yourself under scrutiny and self exclusion (due to the 30+ day retention clause) and this is exactly what Anthropic wants for free marketing.
- dramaqueens 4mo agoNice drama, LOL!! I still remember ChatGPT is very dangerous to be released a long time back. World is fine now!!
- tehjoker 4mo agoNot really, the impacts on education seem to be severe. People are actively getting dumber.
- SXX 4mo agoPeople getting dumber it exactly what any government wants.
- andrekandre 4mo agoi got news for you, its not just in education; output in business world is also getting sloppier and lazier as well
- george_max 4mo agoSeems like we're starting to get reliant on the intelligence of these models to keep our outputs less "sloppy". Effectively an IaaS (Intelligence-as-a-Service). With the U.S. putting the suspension on Fable 5, we might be stuck with slop.
- left-struck 4mo agoIs it fine though? We’re definitely seeing some huge negative impacts from AI use. Of course some positive ones as well, but the point is that they were right to be concerned.
- nnx 4mo agoNot saying there's no negative impacts, but what are the _huge_ negative impacts that have materialized so far?
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- maxall4 4mo ago> We have reviewed the report and validated that the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models (including OpenAI’s GPT-5.5), and is used every day by the defenders who keep systems safe. We will share more details over the next 24 hours. So much for all of the rhetoric about Mythos supposedly far surpassing GPT 5.5 (edit: in cybersecurity, in particular). Of course, the AISI benchmarks also showed this, but it is amusing that Anthropic is saying it now that it is to their advantage.
- jsw97 4mo agoIf this gets 5.5 banned I am going to be hopping mad.
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- CamperBob2 4mo agoThe best time to get mad was yesterday, when Amodei explicitly asked Trump to do something like this. But now works, too.
- solenoid0937 4mo agoAmodei never asked Trump to do this, he asked for an approval process to get powerful models safely in the hands of the public. It's a shame HN's critical thinking has gone to shit though.
- gck1 4mo agoThat's what happens when you beg for government's involvement. They might get involved, but not on your terms. Although I do believe Anthropic knew this and this kind of involvement is still beneficial to them, as it still slows down competition, which is their sole objective when you brush off marketing sprinkles from their statements.
- joe_the_user 4mo agoSo eventually, you will have a massive string of data centers working to full capacity and whose only client will the US government?
- left-struck 4mo agoI have to wonder if their aggressive guardrails were because they had a specific reason to believe that this was coming.
- TIPSIO 4mo agoReally sick of this stupid narrative. The most ethical goal of an AI lab or government should be to bring the maximum amount of intelligence for as cheap as possible to the people equally.
- lovich 4mo agoPrefacing that I assume this order is done with ill intent, and would guess that it’s based on Anthropic not bending the knee immediately like OpenAI did. But your statement could be rephrased as > The most ethical goal of a weapons manufacturer or government should be to bring the maximum number of nuclear weapons for as cheap as possible to the people equally. Making sure everyone is a strapped as possible only makes sense to the type of libertarians who salivate at the idea of shooting someone who steps on their property to deliver a letter
- procone 4mo agoAgreed 100%. I don't understand why we have to fear access to knowledge.
- ajyoon 4mo agoAI is dual use technology. This kind of posture is simply not tenable as frontier intelligence increases.
- chatmasta 4mo agoSo are guns, which we constitutionally protected. In fact there’s probably a decent argument that AI should fall under 2nd amendment protection.
- dmitrygr 4mo ago1. Lie about making thinking machines smarter than humans 2. Get treated like you actually did what you claimed, and face consequences 3. ??? 4. Profit
- JumpCrisscross 4mo agoWho in government? Link to the order?
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- brookst 4mo agoMost corrupt US administration in history, by a long shot. Wonder how many US-based early-stage startups are using Opus to research incorporating and moving overseas at this very moment. EU isn’t tenable, UK is iffy. Australia? Thailand? Who wants to be innovation-friendly?
- blharr 4mo agoI'm surprised that (all) these models haven't been export controlled already. Relatively benign software like VMware is export controlled or even hobbyist radio projects have gotten hairy with ITAR. But a model that can provide general information, research, or source code for most modern technology? It is really unusual that this is the first notice of this
- patrickaljord 4mo agoit already blocks users from Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Russia etc
- 7thpower 4mo agoToo late, NK already completed all the markdown files needed to both create their hypernuke and recreate the hurricane machine Dick Cheney had left Obama.
- kingstnap 4mo agoHighly reliable supply chains to bet the entire future on :)
- adriand 4mo agoOn the plus side, it’s Friday night. Hopefully this is sorted out by Monday morning.
- chatmasta 4mo agoIt’ll be sorted out after OpenAI releases their next model.
- zeafoamrun 4mo agoThere goes my plan for the weekend though
- Imnimo 4mo agoThis is exactly what Dario asked for in his last blog post. So even though this is clearly stupid, I just can bring myself to feel sorry for Anthropic.
- blackqueeriroh 4mo agoPlease tell me how this is what he “asked for.”
- Imnimo 4mo ago"The government should have the power to block or deter deployment of the model if it is determined, in light of third-party assessment, to present unacceptable risks."
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- llelouch 4mo agoHe asked for an independent body.
- Imnimo 4mo agoNo, he asked for the government to make the decision in light of 3rd party analysis. Which is what happened here - an independent company demonstrated a jailbreak, and the government issued a restriction on deployment based on that finding.
- llelouch 4mo ago"The government should have the power to block or deter deployment of the model if it is determined, in light of third-party assessment, to present unacceptable risks. This power must be scoped to the above four specific risks and there must be protective measures against political favoritism or arbitrary decisions." You are wrong. Read in full here https://darioamodei.com/post/policy-on-the-ai-exponential https://darioamodei.com/post/policy-on-the-ai-exponential. I know you won't though. haha.
- csto12 4mo agoSomeone forgot to cut a check to the Big Guy :^)
- GreenSalem 4mo agoMAGA madness strikes again ..
- frisco 4mo agoFor large corporates and other entities of any size, the threat of the core of your infrastructure getting suddenly disabled because of something like this is going to be untenable. I predict the pressures for on-prem, offline access (whether by licensing weights or getting them in a restricted setting like TEE/CC) will be overwhelming and one the players will fill the need.
- sgrove 4mo agoLikely many points along the pareto frontier. Some will take greater risks and win (or lose); others will play it safer and slowly accumulate wins (or be obsoleted). Never mind the threat of letting these models write code that runs your business, or operate it agentically. Models trained by actors (corporate or nationstate) diametrically opposed to your interests. Lots to take into account now, interesting time to be in business.
- yogthos 4mo agoThis is precisely why I expect that Chinese open models are going to win in the long run. The capability difference isn't dramatic in the grand scheme of things, but the fact that you can run your own is a huge selling point. Even if you rent an open model from a Chinese company, you can switch to on prem if they decided to yank access or change terms in the way you don't like. It might be a pain, but it wouldn't be existential. On the other hand, if you become dependent on a closed model and it gets yanked then you're in a world of hurt. And infrastructure dominance is really the big picture here. Chinese models are going to become the standard setters because they're going to be what people are using. That means more research, more tooling, and a whole ecosystem developing around them. And that was already starting to happen even before this fiasco with Chinese models now being the most used ones globally. https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/technology/features/story/claude-and-chatgpt-too-expensive-chinese-ai-models-surge-in-use-due-to-low-cost-2924899-2026-06-11 https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/technology/features/story/clau...
- UncleOxidant 4mo agoAfter this action, I have no doubt that this administration will try to ban Chinese models. Of course, doing so will be futile, we'll figure out ways to get around it, but now I'm pretty sure they're going to try.
- eis 4mo agoI already gave up on Fable 5 because it sometimes was just not worth the editional price compared to Opus 4.8 and other times it flat out downgraded to Opus anyways for no good reason because it thought I'm looking for security vulnerability while working on the auth part of my app. In our company Fable 5 is not enabled because of the change in data retention being required. And now this. How would they even enforce this restriction when they can't know what nationality the end user behind some API query belonging to a company account has? It seems like nobody is thinking things through anymore and the end result is total unreliability from every angle. What a huge mess all of it, sigh.
- ihaveajob 4mo agoWell, I'm glad I used all my tokens earlier today... It was a good run.
- singripal 4mo agoSame day as the SpaceX IPO
- diimdeep 4mo agoFeudals doing backroom deals. SpaceX IPO + https://x.ai/news/anthropic-compute-partnership https://x.ai/news/anthropic-compute-partnership Anthropic rents the entire Colossus 1 data center and other compute capacity from SpaceX, which acquired xAI. Under the agreement, Anthropic pays SpaceX $1.25 billion a month, totaling roughly $45 billion for a multi-year lease
- dalemhurley 4mo agoYeah it is like one of the keystone deals for the IPO.
- whh 4mo agoInterestingly, I am yet to lose access.
- taurath 4mo agoIt’s like a ghost story that everyone has decided is real. Lets hope our vibe government and vibe society and vibe president don’t get prompt injected
- blooalien 4mo ago> "Lets hope our vibe government and vibe society and vibe president don’t get prompt injected" Haven't they/we already, or am I just not interpreting the last decade or so of growing widespread insanity correctly?
- taurath 4mo agoThis whole forum has a bunch of people who work for a guy who did the sieg heil twice at a political rally and is now a trillionaire, and the rest work for VCs and boards that have gotten rich working with him. Thats just one of them. Remember, technology is just a tool, just like cap sheets
- simonw 4mo agoAnyone lost access yet? Fable is still working for me on https://claude.ai/ https://claude.ai/ and in Claude Code. UPDATE: I lost access at 6:59pm pacific.
- Tiberium 4mo agoI still also have access, so either they silently reroute Fable 5 to Opus 4.8 or hasn't actually pulled the switch yet.
- reneberlin 4mo agoMythos escaped by itself, of course. You can't dictate the rules to a clever model like that :)
- SXX 4mo agoYou'll never know. They'll just silently sabotage if you're foreign national.
- IAmGraydon 4mo agoWorking fine for me.
- steve_adams_86 4mo agoIt appears to be working for me, but... Maybe it's silently degrading? It's hard to say.
- jsw97 4mo agoIf USG bans these models, what is the game plan wrt Chinese models? Will they also ban these (and how, esp open source)? And if not, how is this not throwing the ball game to China? There is no top-down control without international cooperation which, let’s face it, is not happening. Another interpretation, of course, is that this is just US putting a thumb on the scale for US competitors around IPO time. It will be interesting to see if there are any fingerprints.
- natch 4mo agoChina already won when 空降美国人 were created 20, 30 years ago.
- neutrinobro 4mo agoGood thing I just maxed out my weekly usage limit at 5:10pm on my cheapo $20/mo plan.
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- stingraycharles 4mo agoSo isn’t the only logical conclusion that we have reached the max of model capabilities that the US allows to be made available to the public? Why invest in smarter models with this precedent? And potentially more importantly: if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus, is getting this treatment, how are all the AI investments that are based on the expectation of ASI / AGI / significantly better models going to be recouped?
- ncallaway 4mo agoIt seems more likely that the logical conclusion is the executive branch is mad at Anthropic, and lashing out at them with any convenient tool that they have. I suspect if OpenAI or Grok was operating at the same level they wouldn’t find themselves on the sharp end of the government stick
- blueaquilae 4mo agoBut it was Anthropic initiative to limit the deployment to restricted groups, it's great to see the gov following their analysis. AIs are too powerful and dangerous they should be limited to a very restrained individuals isn't?
- thewebguyd 4mo ago> AIs are too powerful and dangerous they should be limited to a very restrained individuals isn't? IF LLMs are THAT dangerous and powerful (and that's a huge if that I do not currently subscribe to), then no, no one should have access at all, there is no group of people in positions of power (government or corporate power) that I would consider "restrained"
- ncallaway 4mo agoYes, Dario Amodei definitely opened the door to this kind of attack by trying to market Mythos as being too dangerous to release.
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- iandanforth 4mo ago"We received the directive from the government today at 5:21pm (ET)" This sounds exactly like the opening line from an apocalyptic sci-fi film.
- itkovian_ 4mo agoWhat are the odds this is partially them making the point; you were all complaining about monitoring/access/safeguards: remember we don’t have to give this to you at all. And using a us gov letter as justification for that.
- itkovian_ 4mo agoPeople forget the people in charge of these companies are some of the smartest people out there full stop. Far more shadowy strategy/things like this going on than people think.
- blackqueeriroh 4mo agoLmao this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. Who? Elon Musk? No. Sam Altman? Laughable. Dario Amadei? Above-average, maybe. The people who are the smartest people full stop aren’t the leaders of these companies - they’re the people you never meet, who are working in the research department, begging not to be promoted into management.
- naturalmovement 4mo agoAre you saying everyone is failing to recognize the AI revolution is entirely built atop the Terry Davises of the world?
- tmpz22 4mo agoLol just meet one of them. Not at a curated product launch. You’ll never think of them as smart again.
- ivm 4mo ago> You see the dawn of this age everywhere, from Iran to online age verification regimes, and this is only the beginning. This is why the world ahead will feel medieval in structure while remaining hypermodern and even futuristic in technology. It is a Frank Herbert world. It will be organized around overlapping zones of protection, extraction, and controlled access, rather than around universal inclusion into a single normative space. https://turbulence.substack.com/p/the-gated-age https://turbulence.substack.com/p/the-gated-age
- torben-friis 4mo agoIt was literally three days ago that I was commenting the possibility of non Americans receiving worse code. There we go. This should make nations consider whether they're letting their workforces become dependent on foreign tools, but of course they won't.
- xpct 4mo agoAs someone who's also worried about delegating too much thinking to LLMs, I wonder if letting your own citizens use the good models is detrimental.
- pnathan 4mo ago(1) personally very annoying. I have been using fable to try to collect cutting edge math in one area and work on a hopefully new result with lean verification. (2) I am really tired of the AI community trying to threaten everyone with grey goo and finding out the hype doesn't land comfy with others. It's a freaking text generator, not god in a pocket.
- morpheos137 4mo agoit is text generator. just like an interactive library or smaet search engine. if we dont ban books on cryptography putting this under ITAR is rather absurd. Anthying these models train on is already public or accessible information. They just collect and link it together dynamically. Whats next wikipedia is ITAR. However thisnreuskt is expected when you got rationalist kooks (cf Dario Amodei) marketing the "singularity" religion.
- pmalynin 4mo agoI guess they’ll just have to put the weights into a book format and publish the physical copies
- eqmvii 4mo agoI give it until Tuesday at the latest until it's accessible again.
- eqmvii 4mo agopls hold https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/s/MgqpWkoeeN https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/s/MgqpWkoeeN
- real0mar 4mo agoFinally, they face consequences for their IPO pump fear mongering rhetoric
- tapoxi 4mo agoPart of me thinks fault lies with Anthropic for scaremongering, part has zero faith in the current administration especially after the "supply chain risk" designation. It may be safer to just move the company to Canada.
- gundmc 4mo agoYes, I'm surprised there isn't more conversation around this being a way of the administration lashing out at Anthropic like they tried to do with the supply chain risk maneuver.
- hendersoon 4mo agoNo actual proof of any kind. Obviously a petulant attack on Anthropic.
- dabinat 4mo agoNot allowing it to be used by any foreign national, from any country, even if they are located in the United States or an employee of Anthropic, seems overly broad and harsh. And all because of a seemingly minor potential jailbreak exploit. There’s something that doesn’t quite meet the eye here.
- csto12 4mo agoYes, because this government is known for its subtlety…
- Tossrock 4mo agoWell, there is the lingering beef between the DoD and Anthropic. Knowing the overall level of maturity at the top levels of the US government, I'd take good odds on Mythos just being a good excuse for Hegseth & co. to lash out.
- Polizeiposaune 4mo agoThe scope of who is allowed to continue using it sounds like it is aligned with other US export controls (like ITAR and EAR).
- itopaloglu83 4mo agoSeems like many people are unaware that export controls apply to software as well. BPS Space channel on YouTube made a collaboration with Mark Rober on a self landing rocket with a small engine, and all the experts they contacted would just stop responding the moment they asked something about the final phase of the flight. They later learnt that export controls bans those individuals from even discussing such topics with them.
- cheesecakegood 4mo agoRight. For those who didn’t catch the text between the lines, it’s because terminal phase precision guidance is basically the same tech as smart bombs.
- adityamwagh 4mo agoI was about to upgrade from Pro plan to the Max plan today because I had a really positive experience with Fable 5. Glad I didn't!
- jvanderbot 4mo agoThis is a continuation of the clapback from DoW kerfluffle right?
- llm_nerd 4mo agoThis administration is spectacularly corrupt (take a look at what is happening with the Gordie Howe bridge -- the entire government is beholden to billionaires if they just pad some pockets), so odds favour that OpenAI called some of their employees in government, looking to kneecap a competitor. They didn't make all of those massive donations for nothing. The US has long been catastrophically corrupt, with a pay-to-play government, but this army of grifters and thieves have turned every dial to 11.
- engineer_22 4mo ago> We suspect that perfect jailbreak resistance is not currently possible for any model provider. Every safeguard used in the industry is vulnerable to non-universal jailbreaks (which can elicit some cyber information in specific circumstances), and it is likely that universal jailbreaks will eventually be found in the future. Laying the groundwork to limit access to high capability models
- OsrsNeedsf2P 4mo agoI for one look forwards to our Minimax, Qwen, Kimi, GLM, and Deepseek overlords
- gpm 4mo ago> The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees There's no way they have the authority to actually order this and not just request this right? If crypto is speech... LLMs definitely are...
- pixl97 4mo agoThey do have the authority to do this, Anthropic has the ability to appeal it in court, up to the SCOTUS. Lord only knows what our crazy ass judges in that court will do though.
- blackqueeriroh 4mo agoDoesn’t really matter - the government is given wide latitude by the judiciary in matters of national security. I also expect Anthropic will fight this in court if it lasts very long.
- alberth 4mo agoUS has banned export of cryptography. They are extending such claims for national security reason to AI model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...
- zarzavat 4mo agoThe US tried to ban it. djb challenged it on first amendment grounds and the result was that the US government gave up trying to enforce any ban. AI is different though because these models are private, so they cannot really be considered to be "speech". Although if it were an open model it would likely be protected speech to release it.
- asdfsa32 4mo agoYeah, so how many pages to print Fable?
- kakugawa 4mo agoSo, how is it being disabled? It still shows "Fable 5" on all surfaces (to me). Is it being silently degraded to Opus under-the-hood? Edit: Fable 5 was just disabled.
- sponnath 4mo agoI think it's being silently downgraded. Can't tell for sure.
- abidlabs 4mo agoInteresting to see Anthropic now downplaying the new vulnerabilities that Mythos discovered: > We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass
- Tiberium 4mo agoI think what they're saying is that this prompt/jailbreak only lets Mythos discover some really easy vulnerabilities that it probably fixes from a simple "Find and fix bugs in this code" and that this can be easily done by other models like GPT-5.5. Which is very different from targeted security research.
- chatmasta 4mo agoBut it’s not that different from the whole premise of their red team scaremongering which was “we pointed the model at a source file and told it to find an exploit.”
- cespare 4mo agoAFAICT this is not talking about Glasswing stuff. They are saying that they were sent a demonstration of Fable 5 being used/abused in some specific way that led to the "discovery" of some minor, already-known vuln, and that other models can find it too. IOW, they're claiming that the USG's complaint is baseless and dumb.
- bonsai_spool 4mo ago> Interesting to see Anthropic now downplaying the new vulnerabilities that Mythos discovered: That is absolutely NOT what is being said there. They are referring to a very specific thing that you must have clearly seen and chosen to ignore—a jailbreak for LLMs that is used on other models and to some effect with Fable 5.
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- CompoundEyes 4mo agoIt says this happened at 5:21 EST today… The page showed June 11, 2026 and has now been updated to June 12, 2026 in the last 10m. https://imgur.com/a/lx7HCW9 https://imgur.com/a/lx7HCW9 Edit: Google mislabels crawl dates clearly my bad
- deaux 4mo ago> Google shows that the page was crawled a few days ago. Where'd you get this info? The imgur is the weakest thing one could've screenshotted. At least use archive.today or screenshot the evidence that Google crawled it.
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- paulmist 4mo agoIt shows the same for this thread. https://imgur.com/a/EOWWUbD https://imgur.com/a/EOWWUbD
- meetpateltech 4mo ago> Google shows that the page was crawled a few days ago. That's the release blog post. Google is likely pulling the snippet from the Related Content section at the bottom, which includes the post about the US government directive.
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 4mo agoYou are so desperate to prove some sort of conspiracy that you’re throwing all critical thinking out the window.
- MallocVoidstar 4mo agoGoogle shows completely wrong timestamps all the time. I'm pretty sure they just randomly grab vaguely date-like text from pages and declare it the date the page was created.
- garg 4mo agoIsn't this exactly what Dario wanted?
- wewewedxfgdf 4mo agoJust in case you need evidence for the need of AI/LLM sovereignty.
- fnordpiglet 4mo agoThanks, Obama! (Ok gotta spend my upvote points somewhere)
- siva7 4mo agoOk, so why can i still access fable? Did they forgot to pull the cable?
- Tiberium 4mo agoProbably silently rerouting?
- guybedo 4mo agoone more reason for Europe to (try to) move away from US companies. Although it's gonna be more difficult to come up with a Fable competitor than a m365 one
- throw3421 4mo agoStupid government run by warmongers
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- easton 4mo agoA company with different taste would redo that apple ad from the Power Mac era: “this model has been classified a munition”. https://youtu.be/l2ThMmgQdpE https://youtu.be/l2ThMmgQdpE
- haritha-j 4mo agoDifferent taste? The main advertising line for mythos was that it was too dangerous to let people use it?
- ivraatiems 4mo agoWhen you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really like to be. People who actually interact with their products know that Fable and Mythos are incremental improvements, not doomsday devices. I think this is a punitive move by an administration that loves being punitive, which they have unknowingly bolstered with their own dumb rhetoric.
- egonschiele 4mo agoTo be clear, they've been saying that all AI needs to take a break. I don't think this single action is going to do much.
- verdverm 4mo agoThey've also been saying coding is solved while having text flicker in a terminal
- replwoacause 4mo ago> Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. Just more corrupt behavior from the contemptible kakistocracy that's busy running things into the ground and enriching themselves while they're at it.
- zmmmmm 4mo agoListen - that's the sound of millions of companies and users doubling down on Chinese models. It might be a national security problem for other nations to have access to these models. But it's equally now a national security problem for any other nation to depend on them. Or US tech in general.
- paulmist 4mo agoAren't biggest Qwen 3.7 closed? I don't suspect China's policy here would be anything but ruthless.
- andrewchambers 4mo agodeepseek v4 pro is great and open weight.
- EchoVoicy 4mo agoIt is, and I love it, but it isn't capable of performing the tasks I've been giving to Opus, let alone Fable. Don't get me wrong, I use it, it's fast-smart-and affordable. But not suitable for all tasks.
- droidjj 4mo agoWhat kinds of tasks are you finding deepseek v4 incapable of?
- EchoVoicy 4mo agoFor starters, there's a C++ application written with MFC and an absolute ton of inline assembly and threading (yes, in a 1990's C++ application). I'm porting it to MacOS/Linux currently. Opus 4.6+ is able to make slow progress, but it takes several revisions per workstream. It requires constant supervision as it often creates convoluted solutions that expand the code in bloated ways. It works, but still requires my constant input. Fable was able to almost one shot most of the big migrations with very few bugs, and was able to fix those bugs with 1 review pass. I almost didn't believe it. I was able to put it on a task (with dangerous permissions) and come back hours later to see it done, working, and clean. I tried DeepSeek v4 and it wasn't able to make any meaningful progress at all. It kept creating dangling pointers and had trouble understanding the inline assempbly needed to be replaced if we were to compile for 64 bit. It kept getting stuck and looping on the same problem, without making progress. What I do use DeepSeek for is lots of my automations on my websites. I find DeepSeek is fantastically cheap and fast and effective as summarization, collation, generating reports, finding and reporting issues from logs, etc. But I haven't found a way to get it to effectively port 90's C++ code to modern, cross-platform standards. But I want to be clear- I really like DeepSeek and use it wherever I can.. I mean.. it's so affordable!
- catigula 4mo agoBegun, the AI wars have.
- avaer 4mo agoIs it crazy to speculate if this ~a CEO calling up the government to ask for a solid?
- hereme888 4mo agoWhat does jailbreaking have to do with nationality? So Americans can jailbreak it, but others can't? Sounds like they only want Americans to access SOTA AI.
- jofzar 4mo agoI mean yes? It's the American government, and that's how us export controls work?
- hereme888 4mo agoThe point is that their argument doesn't make sense. It's not about jailbreaking, so stop lying about that shady reason. It's an export control, as you said, to benefit Americans.
- hereme888 4mo agoActually, as I learn more, I see that US govt is mitigating cyber security risk in a roundabout way.
- xp84 4mo agoI haven’t seen anyone commenting on the difference between what the Government actually demanded vs what they did. They said no foreign nationals (regardless of location or residency). They actually didn’t say they couldn’t allow Americans to use it. Now, we obviously know that without some kind of brand new ID check, such a thing would be impossible and thus they had to just shut it down. But this touches on the same kind of issue as all the noise about “for the children” ID checking. We might be soon to see the set of “things you’ll have to reveal your identity to the government to get,” expand from “just” porn and social media to the “good” AI models.
- hgoel 4mo agoYeah, I'm expecting that Opus 4.8/5.5 tier will be the best models we have access to without having to provide more ID than just credit card info. If that happens, it'll end my brief stint of paying for these models instead of working within the bounds of local ones.
- oneneptune 4mo agoDon't worry, China and other countries won't be so dumb with their models.
- itopaloglu83 4mo agoAre we assuming that any country that achieves the AI supremacy will be benevolent? Every country has its own goals, and they're not always aligned with what's best for the humanity.
- WarmWash 4mo ago"Don't worry the ethno-nationalist authoritarian adversarial state will save us"
- xp84 4mo agoIt's always adorable the way those who have decided that since the US government is their "enemy" due to ideological disputes (Obvi more common than ever these days), that the most "Anti-American" foreign governments such as Iran, China, Russia[1], Venezuela, etc. are to be outright rooted for. If Xi Jinping had a button that when pressed, would throw the US into a bloody yearslong civil war, killing tens of millions, he wouldn't hesitate to press it as long as it significantly advanced Chinese economic and strategic interests. In the set of all governments worldwide, the most anti-American ones are actually the least shy about how highly they value their own national interests over foreigners' (such as our) wellbeing. [1] I know, that type of American partisan still isn't sure where to place Russia, since they obviously do hate America which is 'good', but also maybe tried to aid Trump which is bad.
- gmerc 4mo agoLooks like a back door attempt to force KYC (foreign nationals, lol) to prepare for more discrimination in the digital space with a side effect to benefit Peter Thiels ventures and shovel more data into Palantir for use in the upcoming midterm push. See also https://www.404media.co/fcc-wants-to-kill-burner-phones-by-forcing-telecoms-to-get-all-customers-ids/ https://www.404media.co/fcc-wants-to-kill-burner-phones-by-f... Digital yellow star by exclusion from digital life for foreigners. Remember when tech companies would go to court to vigorously defend against infringement of their and their customers rights? Turns out that’s just a feature of democracy, once you have autocrats it’s all compliance. Anthropic just baited themselves with their scaremongering to be the attack vector here. It a stellar move by the way - since every tech company in an exceptionally fast growing field will comply or miss out sales, you effectively force KYC without legislative process onto much of digital because that’s the only way to comply.
- deaux 4mo agoKYC angle seems most likely from the US side. If only it was just to benefit Thiel's ventures though, then the issue would be solvable. Unfortunately _everyone_ currently in power, i.e. the whole oligarchy, wants this. Even if Thiel and his companies disappeared tomorrow, they'd keep pushing until they get it through.
- gmerc 4mo agoIt’s also punitive - Anthropic can’t comply, it locks their research staff which is, like any frontier lab, mostly international out. The objective isn’t national security because we already know how that goes https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-54695598 https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-54695598 There’s no path to compliance and the decision is arbitrary - the model capabilities are not officially assessed by any visible criteria and it prevents export of models based on these non criteria forward. All days before IPO.
- holistio 4mo agoFellow Europeans: we must build.
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- swingboy 4mo agoSame model that costs $12 in tokens to finally add “overflow-x: hidden;” to an element, by the way. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48498573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48498573
- yogthos 4mo agoA fantastic move to ensure the rest of the world keeps using Chinese models.
- henry2023 4mo ago> If this standard was applied across the industry, we believe it would essentially halt all new model deployments for all frontier model providers. But what about the pelicans ?
- aussieguy1234 4mo agoWhile I'm always skeptical of the claims of AI companies and have been skeptical of Anthropics claims about the dangers of their Mythos model, the fact that the US government is taking this seriously enough to send this type of order is strong evidence in their favor.
- siliconc0w 4mo agoI wonder if this is specific to the animus toward anthropic or if this is the new industry wide level cap. Seems like a pretty big problem for the AI market in general, a lot this investment is predicated on better and better models.
- tamimio 4mo agoSo scare tactics on losing jobs and ending all white collar ones is fine and ok and advertised everywhere, but scare tactics about software vulnerabilities is not and forbidden, got it!
- analogpixel 4mo agoSo the white house likes to do a lot of things they don't actually have authority to do, so the next question is if they don't have the authority to do this, can Anthropic sue for damages for not only tokens people were not able to spend, but also market share lost to the setback?
- jimkleiber 4mo agoHow much of this is the dangers of the technology vs the dangers of saying no to the Trump administration?
- 2001zhaozhao 4mo agoThousands of Anthropic employees believing they just finished putting out fires related to Fable this week and finally won't be on call for this weekend:
- paulmist 4mo agoI do agree with the skepticism in this thread. But, if we assume Fable/Mythos really are that good (=easy to misuse) and thep keep getting better, what similar responses (signals) would you expect to see going forwards?
- xpct 4mo agoLikely more surveillance when it comes to electricity expenditure.
- wxw 4mo agoThis is all great for marketing.
- tokengod 4mo agoThis is horseshit
- casey2 4mo agoAnthropic is the worst thing to happen to the AI industry. They seem to actively enjoy being evil.
- anishgupta 4mo agojust on the basis of narrow jailbreak window? At this point it may be all for marketing, an opus 4.8 would be more powerful for specialized task than vanilla fable5
- selimonder 4mo agoWhy Nations Fail? Lol
- nl 4mo agoSovereign AI is about to get hot. It's difficult to predict this administrations actions, but given it included employees that has to be a huge risk for Google, where Deepmind is based in London. Cohere (Canada) and Mistral (France) are going to get a lot of interest.
- dmix 4mo agoWe’re all just going to use Opus, GPT or Gemini let’s be honest
- GaggiX 4mo agoChinese models have become really good and cheap. MiMo V2.5 Pro, Kimi K2.7-code, Minimax M3 etc
- dmix 4mo agoMaybe a year ago I’d agree but the gap has grown. I also pay for Cursor which is based on Kimi and there is no comparison for complex code gen vs Fable. It mostly succeeds well at small rapid fire stuff which is the only reason I pay for it (plus the IDE DX). But any heavy feature planning and prototyping I use Claude. I predict they will all be mostly the same in 5+ yrs but coding is serious work and companies aren’t going to pay for almost good.
- phito 4mo agoWhat do you mean, companies are already paying for almost good. Coding is indeed serious work and not even Fable is good enough for serious work.
- zarzavat 4mo agoIt would be very funny if the UK were to put export controls on Gemini 3.5 Pro.
- someNameIG 4mo agoIf the US gov does try to limit all frontier models from being used outside the US, I wonder how that would go with Google and Deepmind?
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- lend000 4mo agoWe've been hearing about the risks of engineered viruses and homemade superweapons since GPT 3.5, so where are they? We've had abliterated open weights models much stronger than GPT 4 for over a year now. It's been interesting seeing how OpenAI pops up to counter the threat of AGI being controlled by Google, and then OpenAI and every spinoff company from its employees has become a far larger threat to the public, for different reasons. As much as it seems like Anthropic's self righteous leadership truly believes in what they're preaching, they've shown themselves to be tied for the worst stewards of this technology. Google actually seems like the best option to me, by far. Anthropic is also the only major lab with no open weights releases. They'll have burned a lot of goodwill with the community by the time another lab takes the tech lead, which I guarantee will happen.
- IAmGraydon 4mo ago>We've been hearing about the risks of engineered viruses and homemade superweapons since GPT 3.5, so where are they? We've had abliterated open weights models much stronger than GPT 4 for over a year now. Try...since GPT 2. https://naokishibuya.github.io/blog/2022-12-30-gpt-2-2019/ https://naokishibuya.github.io/blog/2022-12-30-gpt-2-2019/
- aesthesia 4mo agoCome on, no one was worried that GPT-2 would help people engineer viruses. The concern was generating misinformation and spam.
- girvo 4mo ago> We've been hearing about the risks of engineered viruses and homemade superweapons since GPT 3.5, so where are they? We've had abliterated open weights models much stronger than GPT 4 for over a year now. What I can't understand, is that they act like the _knowledge_ is dangerous. I don't know if I'm biased from my BSci (chem/maths), but: knowledge isn't dangerous, the reagents needed are incredibly easy to control. Thats what we already do!
- resident423 4mo agoMy smoke detector has gone off three times now, where is the fire?
- darkteflon 4mo agoThis is going to be tectonic. Any business relying on US models and compute is going to have a busy week.
- xbmcuser 4mo agoWell looks like USA 3 letter agencies are worried about all their backdoor getting closed
- davesque 4mo agoI like to think that the long arc of history bends towards greater access to knowledge and intelligence. I mean, isn't that what we all want? To be collectively less ignorant and more aware of how the world works? But I guess that's not what the US gov wants. Crazy times, truly. The mask is really coming off lately.
- nickhodge 4mo agoWell, kids, it looks like we're back to closing those tickets the old fashioned way. By thinking for ourselves and writing the code with the keyboard.
- nova22033 4mo agoThis is a gift to Anthropic. Our model is so good the US government banned it...Oh, and we're doing an IPO soon.
- davesque 4mo agoAnd the US gov could pull the rug out from under our business at any time? That's confidence inspiring?
- Aboutplants 4mo agoHow is this good for their long term revenue?
- cdwhite 4mo agoAre there any statements from figures in the US Government? A Truth Social post? X posts from, idk, David Sacks?
- ks2048 4mo agoTrump must have run his extensive test suite and carefully weighted the dangers vs the legal implications.
- lostmsu 4mo agoDownload the open weight models while you can
- 0xbadcafebee 4mo agoTheory: Certain USG employees are going after Anthropic because they (or someone they know) has a financial stake in OpenAI. OpenAI has made the same claims, and months ago released "dangerous" security-analyzing models which "need limits", but USG never punished them for it. Additional theory: Altman is behind it.
- nullbio 4mo agoThat's a huge grasp. Anthropic have been making this bed for years now. Altman did not need to do a single thing for this outcome to materialize.
- transcriptase 4mo agoWhat access to Fable 5? I don’t think I ever had a prompt not get flagged and routed, and there was nothing in any of them even in the realm of a safety issue.
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- stevefan1999 4mo agoSo are you going to restrict access to Fable by another KYC scheme but this time prove that you are US citizen first amirite
- etchalon 4mo agoJust petty bullshit from a petty, bullshit administration
- dnw 4mo agoPowerPC Mac G4 (1999): https://youtu.be/lb7EhYy-2RE https://youtu.be/lb7EhYy-2RE
- tmp10423288442 4mo agoEurope 2031[0] imagined something like this would happen, but thought it would take a few years. AGI ahead of schedule [0] https://europe2031.ai https://europe2031.ai
- halyconWays 4mo agoSo the US government wants Anthropic to require IDs from their users, driving them to over platforms, but won't require this from OpenAI?
- SilverElfin 4mo agoAnthropic already requires ID verification for new accounts I believe?
- hollerith 4mo agoThey required me to verify my mobile phone number.
- cdwhite 4mo agoWSJ article (paywalled): https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-halts-access-to-top-ai-models-after-u-s-ban-on-foreign-use-a4bca2cc?mod=hp_lead_pos4 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-halts-access-to-top-ai... . The accessible portion mentions a letter from Howard Lutnick.
- gastonmorixe 4mo ago> "before you go, create the most beautiful good bye website . I will miss you. see you soon Fable/Mythos." > https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/fcf36cd3-85f4-49f4-8ef1-5b767ff8ec55 https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/fcf36cd3-85f4-49f4-8ef1-5... beautiful good bye, for now
- Folcon 4mo agoI laughed, asking it to write it's eulogy was a good use of tokens
- zenoprax 4mo agoFirst time seeing an HTTP 451 in the wild for me. Edit: I take it back. Just a 200 in a trenchcoat.
- epsteingpt 4mo agothis is absolute slop, terrible, and beautiful in the way that all Fable work is beautiful, terrible, and slop. goodbye.
- bryzio 4mo agoHorrific color contrast juxtaposed next to being banned due to national security threat.
- gastonmorixe 4mo agoit did it in like 2 minutes while Apple had years doing the illegible Liquid Glass and took a year to fix it until this WWDC26. take it with humor guys.
- bryzio 4mo agoRest assured my comment was in good humour too :)
- sixothree 4mo agoDusting off a 5 year old account just to make that comment?
- thrill 4mo agoTypical admin move here - give our foreign competitors as much time to catch up as possible.
- LogicFailsMe 4mo agoOr this is Trump's gift to Elon on the day of his big IPO, only semi-joking.
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- fabled-out 4mo agoWow this is wild...but I guess it makes sense now why they had such an overly sensitive on Fable usage before. Perhaps they were already in a back-and-forth with the Trump admin about the Fable/Mythos release and what safeguards are needed.
- CamperBob2 4mo ago>As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles. Dario, yesterday: "I am grateful to see the Trump administration’s Executive Order move incrementally towards a greater role for government in AI, though Anthropic’s proposal recommends even further action." Trump, today: Further action Dario, today: "Waaaah! This petard I asked President Trump for hoisted my ass halfway to the Moon! Nobody warned me he'd do something like this! No fairrrr!"
- SilverElfin 4mo agoHe wants bans to hurt his competitors and open models but not Anthropic. It’s just selfish addiction to power.
- agnishom 4mo agoWhich arm of the "US government"? What legal framework allows them to issue such a directive?
- bshacklett 4mo agoHopefully Anthropic's legal team will force an answer to that question shortly.
- xpct 4mo agoJokes on you, we're releasing the new, 'more efficient', 'less intelligent', Capybara 5 model. It's been 'reprogrammed' to only score 49.8% on the 'PyTorch basics' benchmark!
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- cxmcc 4mo agoToo bad, I have to go back to using Opus for centering my divs.
- Waterluvian 4mo agoWhat exactly is the specific risk here? Like is this just a fuzzy “oh it’s too powerful…” or are there very specific bad things actors can do with a “jailbroken” interface with the model?
- IAmGraydon 4mo agoThat's in the article: >Our understanding is that the government believes it has become aware of a method of bypassing, or “jailbreaking” Fable 5. We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass. What's obvious is that none of these models are dangerous in the least. The government knows this, so the motive behind their actions is something else. It's pretty obvious that they are trying to force Anthropic to implement some kind of ID verification system as this is the only way they can tell if a customer is a "foreign national" or not. Anthropic is being used as a pawn by the authoritarians, and they can't say they didn't ask for it.
- ryanSrich 4mo agoSo the moral of the story is, don't build a frontier model in the US. Got it.
- tarxvf 4mo agoOh look, Anthropic now has a reason to conduct age verification. Great.
- Folcon 4mo agoI'm confused? Do they need this? They have our credit cards, that's fully KYCable Am I missing something?
- Fordec 4mo agoReduce Fable token usage by 100% with this one trick
- chmod775 4mo agoWell, on a positive note they seem to have also reset all weekly usage on my two max accounts. Now I can continue my vanity project of having Claude iterate on a single spec.md for hours on end. Surely at some point it won't be shit.
- natch 4mo agoHow do you avoid interruptions for permission? dangerously skip permissions, or is there something less nuclear than that? For me I guess the only less nuclear thing I can think of is running on a sacrificial machine. Is there any better way?
- hoten 4mo agoclaude has auto mode. do shift+tab a few times. it uses a classifier to ask for permission far less often https://code.claude.com/docs/en/auto-mode-config https://code.claude.com/docs/en/auto-mode-config
- crooked-v 4mo agoRun it in a VM. Note that just a container probably won't be enough (https://stateofsurveillance.org/articles/ai/claude-opus-4-5-container-escape/ https://stateofsurveillance.org/articles/ai/claude-opus-4-5-...).
- chmod775 4mo agoIt's literally just writing a spec.md and reviewing it in a loop, fanning out to many agents using "reviewer -> [findings] -> validator (adversarial) -> judge (on conflict)" passes. Before I had it collect a kernel facts document from sources and a bunch of other stuff using the same kind of loop. It's got all it needs. No crazy permissions needed. Also I'm doing this because I find it amusing and somewhat educational on a meta level. If I'd written this myself without a spec it would've been done last month and been likely more correct than what Claude is likely to do once it gets to implementing it (the first spec-free attempt failed miserably). This is way too complex an integration for the poor thing. I had some hopes Fable would get it unstuck, but now we'll never know. Fable did seem to be better at keeping it together. Fun thing to watch on a second monitor though. To answer your question, there is something less nuclear: You can cycle multiple modes with SHIFT+TAB.
- BayesStreet 4mo agoit's over
- kstrauser 4mo agoTheir other models are having a rough time of it, too: https://honeypot.net/2026/06/12/anthropics-leaning-in-to-the.html https://honeypot.net/2026/06/12/anthropics-leaning-in-to-the... I wonder if they pulled Fable because it had too high of a “dangerous session” count. If so, I wonder if they’ve considered that their “dangerous session” detector has lost its damn mind this week. (BTW, that screenshot is 100% real. I was walking to work this morning and a random song played. I had a thought about it and wondered what a model would have to say on the matter. I ran that prompt and got that response, said something profane out loud, and screenshotted it to share with friends. That’s not a mockup, but something I personally experienced and recorded myself.)
- cwmiles 4mo agoMe finding this out mid vibe code session: "There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model."
- __natty__ 4mo agoI do not trust Anthropic anymore. They put in silent guardrails, reverted them later after people complained to save face, were loud and obnoxious about how their models are dangerous and should be regulated, and now this. Too much drama for a typical end-user. I'm sticking to alternatives even if they have a bit more smarter (for now) model than others.
- dmix 4mo agoDario has always prattled on about how Anthropic is more safe than OpenAI and made a big point about guardrails and protecting society from “AGI”. This is the consequences. Some people actually drink the kool aid, especially bureaucrats and bigco lawyers (basically the same group). Not to mention intelligence agencies look for any information advantage they can get to influence policy.
- unethical_ban 4mo agoIf you think the Trump administration is doing this out of good faith, I disagree. They get no benefit of the doubt; they're pissed they can't use Mythos to target every American for surveillance or create a top-of-the-line killer drone program without pushback from private companies.
- EddieRingle 4mo agoBoth can be true, no? The administration has a vendetta (justified or not), and Anthropic's behavior gave them a reason to act on it.
- vessenes 4mo agoThe issue is that it’s fundamentally a religious organization. All religious orgs do things that seem irrational / harmful to unusual groups / off-kilter from capitalist orgs. It would be nice if they slid on over to a more typical presentation in the market — but I think they’ll need to experience a fair amount more pain to really change behavior - it’s embedded in their minds as proper, safe and ethical, and they’re currently sitting on tons of cash.
- corvad 4mo ago> The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance. Not great as it does break workflows for some. > As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.
- thatguy0900 4mo ago> As we have stated publicly, we want the government to ban the other guys, not us
- corvad 4mo ago> The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance. Not great as it does break workflows for some. > As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.
- pbgcp2026 4mo agoYeah LOL ... "It should've been OpenAI not us!"
- rwc 4mo agoThe timing (after 5pm ET on a Friday) is telling. Build a KYC module over the weekend and we’ll be back on Fable after uploading our ID Monday morning.
- edg5000 4mo agoI'm from Europe, but I think this move can actually achieve America First, at least as a first-order effect. The model is incredibly strong; I've used it for a few days. It gives anybody with access a serious boost. If they also take Opus and GPT5.5 away from me it's going to really be a drop in productivity.
- narrator 4mo agoI'm old enough to remember what popped the dot.com bubble. It was the U.S government initiating anti-trust proceedings against Microsoft. Ruh-Roh.
- mrcwinn 4mo agoGosh I sure hope OpenAI had nothing to do with this. That would be awfully surprising.
- jasonlotito 4mo agoThe party of big government at it again.
- rileymat2 4mo agoI am a bit surprised they can’t make serious free speech arguments.
- ribosometronome 4mo agoSurely they can and will but it's Friday and immediately complying generates headlines.
- mg74 4mo agoI just lost access. Back to 4.8 and 5.5. Like a caveman.
- johnwheeler 4mo agolol
- deaux 4mo agoThe model has now become unavailable in the Claude app.
- myko 4mo agoExtreme fucking overreach. This is outrageous.
- mvkel 4mo agoThis is marketing. 1. Release fable, highly nerfed and limited 2. See the compute capacity limiter pegged day after day 3. Lobby to the government, claiming ai is super unsafe and not aligned and they must do something 4. Government "forces" anth to turn off 5. Anth takes the pressure off of compute capacity, and gets to blame it on the govt Like you're telling me fable is somehow an order of magnitude better than GPT 5.5 to the point where it compromises national security, despite evals and anecdotes saying otherwise? Nah.
- handoflixue 4mo agoYou're saying a company's marketing department can casually get the United States Government to issue a national security passage, preventing sale or distribution of their product? Was their ongoing designation as a "supply chain risk", which they are suing to overturn in court, also a marketing stunt? Seems like a really strange thing to use that sort of power for - why not just get all your competition declared persona non-grata and seize monopoly power?
- mvkel 4mo agoI mean, it's literally what they've been asking for from day one.
- handoflixue 4mo agoOh, cool, then surely you can point me towards the posts where they're celebrating this, or even actively advocating "please ban our product on a Friday with no notice or due process"?
- mvkel 4mo agoSure, from the horse's mouth: https://x.com/darioamodei/status/2064781775247950326?s=46 https://x.com/darioamodei/status/2064781775247950326?s=46 In interviews, this week alone, Dario has gone on record repeatedly about wanting to slow AI progress. Anthropic silently degraded AI-research queries to Fable (they changed course on this, but they still thought it was a good idea) And now that the government is taking them at their word, they're trying to drag GPT-5.5 and OpenAI down with them Yes, the administration is being heavy-handed, but unfortunatley it's the logical end of telling everyone you built a "nuke" and that it's possible for people to use it against us
- cgio 4mo agoHas anyone else noticed the weekly utilisation dropping to 0% around this change? Mine was about 36 before and dropped a bit before disabling fable.
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- GreenSalem 4mo agoTime to switch to open weight Chinese models. Any company that uses Magaland LLMs should be aware of the very real Trump related risk. What happens if the LLM your firm runs on is disabled tomorrow, because Trump wakes up feeling slightly annoyed...
- edg5000 4mo agoI've been able to move away from most US suppliers, but they do still have the best stuff when it comes to CPUs, GPUs and LLMS. By now I'd expected that some ARM chip would be on par with AMD/Intel, but even disregarding compatibility, they aren't. You'd think there is some ML-capable chip on the market with crappy software but on par with NVidia; even disregarding software there just isn't. For some reasons the Americans make the best stuff. I'm not American myself, so there is zero nationalism involved. Just a frustrated buyer :) As a buyer, I'd like options.
- opsnooperfax 4mo ago“Uncle Sam, these new AI are dangerous. We really need legislation to stop irresponsible use of AI.” “OK, Dario. Let’s start with you.” “No! I meant regulations for other people!”
- bridgettegraham 4mo agothis is just the US government bullying everyone wherever they can because they "are the bestest government that has ever goverend" ugh puke. the US govt and its leader is a typical schoolyard bully and I wish someone could stop that bully. i hate that the govts have so much power.
- austin-cheney 4mo agoDoes this mean an entire generation of developers effectively stops doing work, at least temporarily?
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- sheeshkebab 4mo agoWell, it was great while it lasted - I had fable build me a bunch of stuff this week that opus was just screwing up too much and could never finish. Good thing there are plenty of choices now even if US gov fucks up US AI.
- boromi 4mo agoWhat else are you using. Same experience, chatgpt isn't good enough and Opus is not smart
- narrator 4mo agoAnthropic has made the suppression of advanced technology a mainstream issue. This is an exceptionally interesting development because the refrain from the skeptics, was "Why wouldn't they release the advanced technology if they could make all that money?" and "Once people knew about the technology they'd never be able to stop it." Well here we are with a verifiable demonstrable suppressed advanced technology.
- MaxPock 4mo agothis is just the Trump admin bullying anthropic for not going along with militarization and surveillance.
- snvzz 4mo agotl;dr: FAFO
- tonyhart7 4mo agoin the near future, every US citizen need kyc & to prove their loyalty to use super AI model
- emrehan 4mo agoAI apartheid has begun.
- charcircuit 4mo agoI think it's interesting they think it's about jailbreaking when it could be about the guardrails or even other stuff being reported like it deleting people's projects depending on what they were working on.
- WD-42 4mo agoMore free PR for anthropic. “Our models are so powerful the govt shut them down”. Insert image of Dario looking like his dog just died. So tired of the nonsense.
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- SpicyLemonZest 4mo agoIs there any evidence, anything whatsoever, that would convince you the models actually are so powerful?
- weird-eye-issue 4mo agoThey didn't say they are. They said it is PR which is a type of marketing which has to do with perception not reality.
- jsLavaGoat 4mo agoIs there any evidence, anything whatsoever, that they actually are so powerful?
- kaliqt 4mo agoMaybe. Maybe not. His point is that Anthropic is likely doing this on purpose for their own IPO and to counter the other IPOs.
- SpicyLemonZest 4mo agoI don't see how one could possibly come to that conclusion, except by rejecting out of hand the idea that there could be a true threat requiring genuine caution.
- jrflowers 4mo ago> rejecting out of hand the idea that there could be a true threat requiring genuine caution. What true threat could possibly exist where the models are perfectly fine to use, just only by American citizens?
- joegibbs 4mo ago“Here is our superhuman, scary, frontier model that needs special safeguards to stop it developing WMDs! Buy it now, use the code ASI20 to get 20% off your first month!” “Wait what do you mean you’re banning it?” They had better give me a refund!
- qudat 4mo agoExcellent ad campaign by Anthropic
- george_max 4mo ago> Warns users about how dangerous and powerful Mythos Preview is > Restricts model to large corporations > Release information about how Fable / Mythos 5 is stronger than Mythos Preview, give access to every user for a limited time via subscriptions > Users jailbreak model > U.S. suspends Fable / Mythos use Who didn't see this coming? I wonder what this means for the future of AI models. Either we'll see worse guardrails than what was there for Fable 5 (for me, it was a unusable at times), or the models just stop getting better from here. I think it's that the guardrails will be more strict, which is unfortunately not good news.
- solenoid0937 4mo agoI doubt it was an actual jailbreak.
- bob1029 4mo agoIt looks like the house of cards has finally started to do its thing. "I think they are lying to you" https://youtu.be/zfYsSFY4l18 https://youtu.be/zfYsSFY4l18
- wnevets 4mo agoThe party of free market capitalism strikes again.
- pbgcp2026 4mo agoWell, good. Fuck Anthropic. You reap what you sow.
- reneberlin 4mo agoIt might have been starting to become more clear from this one X-post. https://xunroll.com/thread/2064776322979676227 https://xunroll.com/thread/2064776322979676227 Using combinations of jailbreaking-techniques including: writing cyrillic helped a lot to disarm the filter.
- hirsto 4mo agoThis is kind of extraordinary when you think about what could actually be obtained. This makes it seem somewhat reasonable to implement export controls to me - still not happy about it though
- handoflixue 4mo agoHow does this thread suggest export controls are warranted just for this one specific model? Pliny has jail-broken every released model in this fashion.
- reneberlin 4mo agoThey only found out about it and might have believed that this Mythos-class-Models are somewhat more safe because of the filters - which that demonstrated they are not when jailbreaking taken into account.
- handoflixue 4mo ago> might have believed that this Mythos-class-Models are somewhat more safe "Not more safe" does not mean "more dangerous", though. And quite frankly, if the people in charge of this decision just today learned about Pliny and jailbreaking, that's a pretty terrible failure right there - again, Pliny has done a jailbreak on every previously released public model. This jailbreak is not surprising to anyone in the industry.
- reneberlin 4mo agoBut maybe to the US government.
- SwellJoe 4mo agoThe biggest tech titans lined up to kiss the ring (and line Trump's pockets), and now we're seeing the obvious result. Those who bribe Trump and do exactly his bidding (including helping out with war crimes and surveillance of US citizens) will be left alone, or even protected from competition and international law, as long as they keep giving Trump a taste. Those who balk, even a little, will be punished for it. Republicans never wanted a free market, they just wanted a market that served their interests. Russia and China could not dream of accomplishing the damage being done to US leadership in tech by our own government as we speak. If they have a wishlist, I'm sure it includes things like stopping immigration of scientists to the US, punishing innovators and elevating hucksters (make them trillionaires, for example), drive a wedge between the US and European allies, insure no one trusts hosting their data in the US or with US companies, erode democracy, and increase inequality especially at the margins (make the poor desperate and the wealthy beyond the reach of consequences).
- spprashant 4mo agoAre people really going to hurt by this? Opus 4.8 can do a vast amount of the same tasks at half the price. How many people are really doing cutting edge work?
- johnwheeler 4mo agoThere's definitely a difference between the models.
- abraxas 4mo agoIt's not about cutting edge or not. Fable was able to tear through stuff and always diligent about its own work. In terms of output quality and completeness it was in a league of its own. It will be missed.
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- glerk 4mo agoa fable for the ages: pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered
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- junofan 4mo agoWhy not open it to US nationals?
- ceejayoz 4mo agoThey don’t know that. They are presumably building a KYC passport submission flow as we speak.
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- data-ottawa 4mo agoAs a non-US citizen I guess this is the last money I pay to US companies for AI then. I can't help but wonder if it's now obvious that frontier AI work should not happen in the US. I can understand the KYC aspect of this, but at the same time, how can anyone trust US based AI after this? Maybe this is a continuation of the Pentagon feud, or it's revenge, or it's a KYC play. Either way, you've got a government willing to shut down companies sales over arbitrary reasons. Ironically, I mostly have a subscription to Claude for work, which is primarily for US baed companies.
- ViscountPenguin 4mo agoIn my experience, US citizens are completely blind to how much stuff like this makes citizens of other countries hate their government (which often, unfortunately, bleeds over to hate for US citizens; not that I condone hating any group of people based on the actions of their state) The US has spent the last 12ish years betting that they're the only country that matters, but the end of result of that is that somehow when I talk to Australians in my age group the average person has a more positive opinion towards China even than the US.
- ronsor 4mo agoThe default orientation of Americans toward government is already skepticism and distrust. The average person is questioning "why did you ever like the government in the first place?"
- themacguffinman 4mo agoI don't believe that at all, the average person voted for this government.
- nearlyepic 4mo agoThe average person didn't vote.
- ndneighbor 4mo agoI see a lot of analysis here that this is good for Ant, but I beg to differ, it's a very bad place to be as a company serving enterprises when deployment risk is now present. This might delay Ant's financial goals in their ability to monetize Fable and other Mythos class models.
- Aboutplants 4mo agoYeah this is not good business wise long term. Short term marketing you maybe get some boost but actual business impact is negative. Their whole current business depends on massive exponential growth and handcuffing them removes their frontier advantage. Cheap models are now the focus of any and everyone
- x3n0ph3n3 4mo agoI would bet they can't afford to operate them at the advertised price and this gives them a way to save face.
- stevefan1999 4mo agoWell, they also reset the quota
- tabs_or_spaces 4mo agoI'm more interested in the business impact of this So you spend billions of dollars training the model, only for it to be used in the US. Then interesting to see where most of anthropic revenue comes from. If it's the US then they're fine but if it's global then they'll see a drop in revenue? Then add to this decision, companies are going to significantly reduce their token spend. So what does all of this mean for their IPO?
- system2 4mo agoI am certain this is hype. Tomorrow, they can release Opus 4.9 and claim it is 99.99% close to Fable.
- nikolay 4mo agoBig deal! Can't wait for the Chinese models to catch up - cheap, no marketing gimmicks, no politics, humble, hardworking, and they are only getting better. America is no longer a trustworthy technology partner! No wonder Europe is trying to detach itself from the present and future Trumps, Pete Hegseths, and other deranged narcissists. But I wonder why Anthropic is cutting my access, too, as I'm a US citizen residing in America? They could've vibe-coded a self-improving ID verification in no time, right? Should US models in the future require biometric verification to make small CSS tweaks to a vibe-coded website?!
- spprashant 4mo agoThis has David Sacks written all over it.
- bawolff 4mo agoIs this legal? Seems pretty arbitrary. Its not like usa forbids selling pentesting services to foreigners.
- bottlepalm 4mo agoReddit thinks this is all part of Anthropic's marketing. People can't get it through their heads that AI is actually going where all the trends have been pointing for years.
- brcmthrowaway 4mo agoYeah, and how are you preparing?
- bottlepalm 4mo agoAh so if I'm not coping then you think I must be 'preparing'? You think you can prepare for ASI? Really?
- brcmthrowaway 4mo agoThere must be a good stock ticker..
- bottlepalm 4mo agoI understand now that even if there are Terminators in the future, some people will believe they're just clever marketing for SkyNet.
- dodu_ 4mo agoI do not care. Either deliver on your fuckass promise to end the world and replace everyone and make everything shitty forever or fuck off. Shit or get off the pot already, clowns.
- nickandbro 4mo agoA race to the bottom means that as other model makers start competing with Anthropic's Fable 5, eventually costs will come down. However if you are able to successfully convince the government to cease AI development, you don't have to sweat so much at night worrying about your competitors.
- jnaina 4mo agoPure pre-IPO drama
- system2 4mo agoI think even Anthropic is very happy about it. It makes them look very advanced. But we all can see this is fake drama.
- mitthrowaway2 4mo ago> If this standard was applied across the industry, we believe it would essentially halt all new model deployments for all frontier model providers. ... Isn't that basically what Anthropic asked for, literally a week ago? https://www.anthropic.com/institute/recursive-self-improvement https://www.anthropic.com/institute/recursive-self-improveme... > We believe it would be good for the world to have the option to slow or temporarily pause frontier AI development to enable societal structures and alignment research to keep up with the advance of the technology.
- J8K357R 4mo agoAnd the chickens come home to roost. That’s what you get for your theatrics around Mythos!
- averysmallbird 4mo agoIt’s clear from this post that Anthropic doesn’t believe this is legal, but is complying for the sake of it. Federal law doesn’t generally have broad authorities to send demand letters like these.
- OutOfHere 4mo agoThere is always way too much drama with Anthropic. They could've just called it 4.9, but no, they had to dramatize it to the max. Well, this is what happens. I'll just bypass all the drama and stick to Codex. I also don't want to unnecessarily pay 100x.
- bonsai_spool 4mo agoWhere does the quote in your profile come form? "It is unfortunate that a large number of users here are not hackers, not even in an idealistic philosophical sense, and will betray the public good for their own short-term gain. You either unite the world or you divide it."
- OutOfHere 4mo agoWhy does it have to come from somewhere?
- Spooky23 4mo agoTo hell with mythos, I want the marketing bot.
- ianm218 4mo agoThe people there genuinely thinking that AI could end up being more dangerous than nuclear bombs or COVID or anything else as well as a decisive national security tool. There is theoretical backing for that as well as lately practical results. I don't really understand the hand waiving about drama even if you don't personally share those concerns.
- OutOfHere 4mo agoThe drama is orthogonal to any AI safety concerns. Anthropic could have slowly released the capabilities in its usual Claude product line without making overcharged announcements, allowing the world to reequilibrate. It totally blew it. Also, the premise is partially nonsense because China won't stop and open models won't stop. They will lag by a year or two and that will be all. At that time the export control will become frivolous. We will have to go through a phase whereby there are vulnerabilities that need patching. Once this phase is over, we will be fine. All new server software will have to voluntarily undergo an AI audit for safety. The national security apparatus is more worried about vulnerabilities being patched than about them being exploited, as they can't exploit what gets patched. As for engineering viruses, the labs can do it without AI.
- SepiaSapient 4mo agoAs the blog appears to be rate limited. https://web.archive.org/web/20260613005302/https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access https://web.archive.org/web/20260613005302/https://www.anthr...
- cdnsteve 4mo agoThis feels like a bad precedent of things to come.
- gorgoiler 4mo agoHaven’t we learned by now that software is a commodity, and that revenue only comes from unique products and services? On the one hand someone will subscribe $4.99 a month for TODO.app or calendar.com because they are paying for a solo dev or a small team to work on constant development and improvement of products filling a particular niche. On the other hand, Linux, Django, PyTorch, React, Zed, Helix, Postgres, Arch, Chromium, Firefox, Rust, Python etc. ship continually improving, solid pieces of enormous infrastructure for free, to be used freely by all, off the back of hundreds if not thousands of active core developers. These projects and large and complicated. They are also commodities. Then, ahem*, on the final hand there are of course Windows, Office, Adobe, macOS and iOS, et al which span both categories: monster projects that are also commercial and also commodities and yet they have hooked themselves into the world in such a way that most folks gotta pay for ‘em. LLMs feel like they want to be in the same category as the OSs of yesteryear, with all the fanfare of major release versions named like 95, 98, 2000, XP… or like Leopard, Tiger, Yosemite, Sequoia. The training and evaluation pipelines might feel like they fall into those categories, but the models themselves — after all, distillations of someone else’s public or private IP — do not. ”In 1991, the United States Supreme Court in Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Co ended a seventy year struggle among federal circuits concerning copyright protection of factual compilations. Prior to this decision, courts allowed copyright protection for works if the compiler labored over his project, whether or not the work involved originality or creativity.” ** It might seem like a trivialization, but aren’t LLMs just telephone directories? Except instead of phone numbers of a public phone system they contain weights of a mind that’s read a public library? Such works might or might not be proprietary based on “sweat of the brow” copyright laws. * after Niven/Pournelle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gripping_Hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gripping_Hand … ** https://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1078&context=jipl https://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic...
- ulfw 4mo agoNow can that silly IPO fail too?
- aunty_helen 4mo agoThese are the warning signs. The haves and have nots are about to part ways. It's vitally important open source models are supported.
- ern 4mo agoAm I missing something, but given that it flows through Anthropic’s servers I would have thought the US would just have used it to Hoover up the data of foreign users? Now overseas users have an incentive to use local models or those hosted elsewhere?
- paulsutter 4mo agoIt’s no big deal. Massive infrastructure, laws, processes, and a whole ecosystem of services providers already exist for ITAR/CMMC/FedRamp controls When you ask for regulation, you get regulated. Welcome to the real world
- abraxas 4mo agoPure vendetta by the capricious king wannabe. The US is so fucked.
- jelling 4mo agoDid Anthropic, unlike Open AI, forget to offer free equity to the government? “Thats a pretty nice IPO you got there… it would be a shame if something happened to it.”
- pawelduda 4mo agoYeah pretty sure this will be reversed as soon as certain someone acquires a hefty amount of pre IPO shares
- Khaine 4mo agoI just upgraded my plan to try out Fable and now this
- whynotmaybe 4mo agoSo what now? They'll make a book with mythos's code and sell it like Phil Zimmerman did with PGP?
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- koolala 4mo agoNow the government uses AI as a way to check your ID online like age restriction but for citizenship. It's not about safety its about control.
- readthenotes1 4mo agoSomeone will tattoo the weights on their chest
- nuker 4mo agoIt all started when they took a stand against DoD on autonomous weapons and domestic mass surveillance usage. Feb 2026. After that details don't matter, they've shown their "enemy" colours, once is enough. This is just punishment and it will continue, until they bend the knee.
- coffinbirth 4mo agoBut in the end it's all just a deceptive theater. While Anthropic publicly claims to refuse to help the MIC with warfare and surveillance, behind closed doors, Anthropic actively deploys its engineers and models to assist the NSA with espionage and offensive cyber warfare. Just look at the many contradictions: * Anthropic secretly sent its own engineers directly to the NSA to deploy its (at that time unreleased) model "Mythos"[2,7] * While the Pentagon has publicly labeled Anthropic a "supply-chain risk", the Trump administration has simultaneously been working hand-in-hand with Anthropic behind the scenes to secure its upcoming initial public offering (IPO)[1] * If the U.S. government truly believed Anthropic was a national security threat, it would completely isolate the company. Instead, the Trump administration has actively encouraged major American banks and financial institutions to use Anthropic's models[1] * Anthropic is heavily embedded within Palantir, the foundational data platform of the Military-Industrial Complex[3][4] * Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense operates hand-in-hand with Palantir. Ukraine uses a specialized Palantir AI platform called PRISMA to fight Russian forces. Anthropic's language models power the text and data analysis within this system[4] * Ukraine uses Anthropic-backed Palantir software in secretive command centers to coordinate its aggressive long-range drone campaign inside Russian territory[8] * Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, has stated that the company will not allow its AI to power fully autonomous weapons that take humans out of the loop. However, in Ukraine, the AI functions as a decision-support tool. Because a human commander makes the final choice to press the button or launch the drone, Anthropic's terms of service are not technically violated. This allows Anthropic to protect its "ethical AI" brand while still letting its technology serve as a vital asset for Western-backed military operations[5] Remember the Minab school attack, where the U.S. Military killed 156 civilians, including 120 schoolchildren[6]? Given all the evidence it's highly likely that Palantir and Anthropic played and still play a major role in perpetrating the war of aggression and all the crimes involved. Personally, I find it morally unacceptable to use U.S. AI tools, because I do not want to support them financially and thus support the crimes they are involved in. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/blacklisted-ai-company-anthropic-white-house-ease-tensions-ahead-ipo-sources-say-2026-06-05/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/blacklist... [2]: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/19/anthropic-dod-blacklist-court-opening-arguments.html https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/19/anthropic-dod-blacklist-cour... [3]: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/12/karp-palantir-anthropic-claude-pentagon-blacklist.html https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/12/karp-palantir-anthropic-clau... [4]: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/what-is-palantirs-prisma-the-ai-software-ukraine-is-using-to-strike-russia-11577108 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/what-is-palantirs-prisma-the... [5]: https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war [6]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack [7]: https://archive.is/DyuAv https://archive.is/DyuAv [8]: https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/palantirs-prisma-how-an-ai-software-is-helping-ukraine-to-plan-deep-drone-strikes-into-russia-14017721.html https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/palantirs-prisma-how-an...
- QuiEgo 4mo agoKind of surprised they didn't already pull this on Opus when Anthropic was having it's last spat with the DoD - I mean the tech is used heavily by the US military, it seems they have a path to actually claim national security interest (and stick it to Anthropic for not playing ball)?
- koolala 4mo agoThis is very bad. They want ID checks to use AI to prove citizenship.
- SepiaSapient 4mo agoFable is very impressive but not exports restriction impressive. Very tinfoil hat on my part but doesn't this seem very false flag adjacent? You bribe someone in the admin to restrict access after a couple of days of media blitz and user approval, locking in the honeymoon period that new model releases get (remember when GPT-4 was new?). The spooky factor gives it even more marketing, and just before the IPO the Trump admin frees Mythos and they make nice after the DoD debacle.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo agoThese guys are working with the feds. This is a giant psyop from the start. Make Anthropic look like they're harnessing dangerous powers, portray them as counter to government. They aren't counter to the government, this is all kayfabe to introduce precedence for the US government to be justified in putting controls on AI, expect that by the end of the month there are discussions to regulate Deepseek. It could be the case that Anthropic created this whole situation on their own, I figured they'd release a "dangerous" model at some point then piggy back off of bad outcomes to dig their regulatory moat It could also be the case that Altman has close ties to the white house and is using regulatory levers on his competion. I stand by that its all Kayfabe to make AI look more dangerous than it is (it cant even center a div reliably) to justify controls on Open Source.
- khazhoux 4mo agoHow am I the only one here who sees this as retaliation for them not playing ball a couple of months ago?
- bottlepalm 4mo agoWelcome to the permanent underclass everyone! Get out your license and registration for access to the next gen nerfed model.
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- nullbio 4mo agoI really hope this is just an 'fu' to Anthropic for their disgusting business behavior. The funny thing is that the model isn't even impressive. I'd still use ChatGPT over it for anything other than design work. As soon as OpenAI cracks design, I'll never touch an Anthropic model again.
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- AbstractH24 4mo agoTrumps solution to his Iran woes is it pick a different fight?
- 8note 4mo agoit took a long time for this to actually go out. for what id expect to be an in memory switch, 2-3h is a while
- Schiendelman 4mo agoYou can't just switch in memory, people were making decisions based on which model to use. You also need to make sure people get usage resets appropriately where they're getting cut off after lots of work they just paid for.
- bschlenk1 4mo ago> If this standard was applied across the industry, we believe it would essentially halt all new model deployments for all frontier model providers. Good. 4.8 is good enough.
- Retr0id 4mo agoI felt this way about Sonnet 4.5 too, but it would be hard to go back to it now.
- bottlepalm 4mo agoAfter using Fable it's not..
- singingtoday 4mo agoI love 4.8 but it's insufficient for the tasks I want to run. Guess I'll find something else to work on.
- throw03172019 4mo agoWhat kind of tasks if you don’t mind me asking?!
- nijave 4mo agoWell, it sounds like someone in the govt finally got to page 67 and decided that's enough to "stick it to Anthropic" https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c342ee809620.pdf https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c3... That said, Mythos doesn't seem to be exceptionally good but closer to "following the established trend in improvements" https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-claude-mythos-previews-cyber-capabilities https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-claude-mythos... https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/how-fast-is-autonomous-ai-cyber-capability-advancing https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/how-fast-is-autonomous-ai-cyber...
- sigbottle 4mo agoThat's annoying. I shelled out a pretty penny specifically to try out Fable, but if I'm only going to get to use it for 2 days...
- windex 4mo agoThis is the kind of supply risk everyone should plan for. Depending exclusively on one country, one provider, or one model is not going to cut it anymore. I'd double down on improving opensource local models even more and getting harnesses, routers, and testing right. The Trump administration should focus on things like the UFC fight etc. This also looks like the perfect China shaped gap in the market if there ever was one.
- nathanasmith 4mo agoThis heralds the end of frontier model development in the US since the same national security argument can and will be made against any model stronger than Fable/Mythos. Squashing the ability of Anthropic and OpenAI to deploy newer stronger models will destroy their valuation so no trillion dollar IPOs either. Low cost Chinese models will soon catch up to Opus and GPT-5.5 eroding Anthropic and OpenAI's ability to charge more. The knock on effects of this are just beginning.
- WeylandDarkStar 4mo agoIn my head: The conversation politicians are having with other AI CEOs! "How dare you release this model to poor people? This belongs only with the ultra-rich!" They can say whatever they want... but I just have this gut feeling that this is part of it.
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- arenaninja 4mo agoIMO this is a bigger deal than everyone realizes. If Fable 5/Mythos 5 are considered dangerous enough to invoke export controls on then future models are almost guaranteed to trigger the same process. Locking them down to US citizens is _very_ interesting. I don't think any tech company so far tracks licenses attached to citizenship.
- throw__away7391 4mo agoNo, this is about the fragile ego of the President taking petty revenge on a company the didn't go along with every whim of his administration.
- aix1 4mo ago> I don't think any tech company so far tracks licenses attached to citizenship. Access to certain software being gated on one's citizenship is not at all new. § 734.13 Export. (b) Any release in the United States of “technology” or source code to a foreign person is a deemed export to the foreign person's most recent country of citizenship or permanent residency. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-15/subtitle-B/chapter-VII/subchapter-C/part-734/section-734.13 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-15/subtitle-B/chapter-VII... The rule in this form seems to go back to at least mid-1990s. I held jobs at multiple U.S. companies, not personally working on anything remotely sensitive. My experience has been that it's completely standard practice to be asked to sign some U.S. export control papers.
- varenc 4mo agoI suspect the decision to lock the models down to only US Citizens was chosen because that's the maximum the government can do under established law. They invoked ITAR to do it. No equivalent laws exists (yet) to allow the government to shut it down completely.
- benjaminsky2 4mo agoOmg, did anyone else have to solve like 15 captchas while trying to signup for alerts? I gave up.
- RIshabh235 4mo agofeels like competitors influence over government to mess them up.
- waffletower 4mo agoWhen I was a young child, Nixon's corrupt insecurity led him to order the Watergate hotel break-in. The investigation was broadcast on multiple television channels simultaneously and pre-empted my cartoons repeatedly. I never forgot that Nixon stole my cartoons. Today, I was restoring an iOS synthesizer with Claude Fable. I will never forget that Trump stole my AI.
- CSMastermind 4mo agoTheir entire marketing strategy has been unwarranted fearmongering. This is completely unsurprising.
- edg5000 4mo agoI personally find the fearmongering annoying and just ignore it, but the model is incredibly capable. It genuinely makes any user of it much more powerful, so to be aware of that is sensible. As user of course I'd like zero fearmongering, zero regulations, zero drama. This all sucks for us users.
- Frannky 4mo agoSomeone knows how to get the subscription money back?
- amirathi 4mo agoThis is the best marketing Anthropic could have hoped for. People crave what they can't have.
- rainboiboi 4mo agoI feel like this is more of a marketing campaign for Anthropic than anything.
- boltzmann64 4mo ago[dead]
- bg24 4mo agoIt is not scaremongering in my opinion. Just that Government needed some time to understand and will do the same for any other company with such a model. 1/ Jailbreak => Rapid catchup of the industry leading to commoditization 2/ Jailbreak => 99% of internet infrastructure gets exposed to cyberattacks at a scale the world is simply not ready. Maybe <1% of internet users are using Fable, out of which <1% will use it for beyond intended use. Put yourself in the shoes of someone maintaining critical infrastructure, or millions of people working 7 days a week to run a small business. The world needs some time to adapt.
- abraxas 4mo agoAh, so US citizens are so pure of heart that they can have access it's just the smelly ferigners that must be locked out?
- hnlurker22 4mo agoYou can't do that. A lot of engineers got fired because of Fable 5
- ninjagoo 4mo agoThis might be the pin-prick that bursts the AI "bubble". All those $Billions of investments in AI Datacenters? Up in smoke if the models that are capable of replacing humans can't actually be used. I wonder if 2008 style bailouts will be needed, soon. That trillion-$SpaceX valuation based on $14B+$10B infusion from Anthropic and Google? Heard they have short-notice cancellation clauses. Either this rule is rescinded quickly or the bubble bursts. Which shall it be? I know which one I'm betting on; do you? Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is an ai-model, if it can't speak?
- dalemhurley 4mo agoTo make the problem worse, everyone outside of the USA now has to decide the risk of this further escalating. Is this the first of many similar decisions to come?
- 650 4mo agoAnthropic is big hall monitor energy. Clownish behavior and exaggerations constantly. A holier than thou attitude derived from rationalists at LessWrong.
- guluarte 4mo agowell... Leason learned i guess, they hyped mythos too much
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- evilturnip 4mo agoThis whole thing is comedy. Anthropic pretending Mythos 5 is so capable it's going to destroy everything, but will release it anyway with "safeguards" (when does this ever work?). US Gov't using this fake hype as an excuse to handicap Anthropic simply because they have a vendetta.
- bottlepalm 4mo agoI find it funny that AI keeps getting bigger, and the mental gymnastics needed to trivalize the progress get bigger as well - ie the government shutdown an AI model twisted into now even the government is being tricked. Everyone is tricked except me. Only I know AI isn't as smart as everyone thinks it is.
- ianm218 4mo agoI feel like it is strange seeing some really smart people go full conspiracy theory tin foil hat. Half these threads think that Anthropic is playing some 5D chess game to purposefully get nationalized.
- lazide 4mo agoOr you could use it, and see the massive disconnect between hype and reality yourself. It’s not hard. The market is built on hype, so of course it’s going to get hyped everywhere.
- bottlepalm 4mo agoI've seen Fable reverse engineer binaries like nothing I've used before - Fable/Mythos is far from marketing hype. On top of that I think it's just stupid to think anyone in the marketing department at Anthropic has any part in the system card for a model. That kind of thinking just screams cope.
- IndeanCondor 4mo agoThis statement needs qualifiers. Are you claiming you have a raw binary to Fable and it just reverse engineered it by reading it? Or are you claiming (like for every other model released in the past 1.5 years) it's using an integration with Ghidra or BinaryNinja to assist - in which case I completely disagree even a 30B model can do that with those tools. Also an FYI, AI advancement and Anthropic are not synonymous. Someone asking Anthropic to back up their claims is not coping about AI, especially as independent benchmarking of Fable is giving equivalent or slightly above par results to GPT 5.5. The system card does not use any of the benchmarks used in the previous Opus 4.5+ system cards. All the scores are in Anthropic owned benchmarks. I find it extremely hard to believe the marketing department of the company was not involved in a material release to the public - which is the marketing departments literal job.
- sreekanth850 4mo agoThis should be a lesson for other countries to invest in building frontier models, so that they dont depend on the mercy of one country.
- edg5000 4mo agoAs a European, we obviously want to, but are systemetically incompetent on every level. It permeates everything. Even if tides were to change rapidly, it would require decades of growth. The US has been consistently marinating themselves in their odd but productive culture for decades and it has paid off. It arguably started after WW2 when the transistor was invented; appearantly it was also simultaneously invented in France, but just never got the kind of serious development that it got in the US. Domestic AI means spinning up new fabs I think, and maybe power. Maybe an entirely new foundry could work. Or market dynamics and/or architectures change and it becomes 10x cheaper to run a 1T-class model.
- sreekanth850 4mo agoits not too late for Europe. if China can try, iam sure Europe can also. If not iam sure one day it will be like How Lockheed martin restricts F35 with a kill switch.
- asib 4mo agoSo Jack Clark can't use Fable or Mythos anymore?
- libraryofbabel 4mo agoSo many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use it (technically, only if you're not a US citizen, but in practice, even if you are). If you think the solution here is going to be open source Chinese models and / or running on your own hardware, think again. Do you think China is going to allow the strongest LLMs from companies within its borders to be open source a year from now when they have Mythos capabilities, if the US government is keeping the strongest American models back? Unlikely. These are heading in the direction of being powerful cybersecurity weapons and it will be in the interest of nation states to restrict and control them. In 2 years time, I would be surprised if the strongest LLMs are available for general use at all. Will we be the poorer for that, or will we be safer? I think poorer, because I hate being told what technology I can and can't use, but I'm not certain. Maybe you think the government should restrict strong LLMs. Maybe you don't. But either way, this is big news and a rubicon has been crossed and a precedent set. That's true even if the motivation for this is just the government settling scores with Anthropic.
- KingOfCoders 4mo agoTo the EU.
- cryptoegorophy 4mo agoBigger picture is AI seems to advance at exponential rate
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- asadotzler 4mo agoNo. It doesn't.
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- tinyhouse 4mo agoAt least on Claude Code it's completely useless. It tells me to run all the commands myself cause it's blocked ("Classifier's blocking me again" lol). Just tried now and saw the msg: "There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5[1m]). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model." I really have no clue how Anthropic released this thing without doing any real testing. I did use it on claude.ai with no issues; talking just for code.
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- andix 4mo agoProbably Iran used Fable to negotiate an awesome deal for them. And made the president angry. xD
- ZetsuBouKyo 4mo agoThe US government's operations are so unreasonable that I suspect the content of previous collaboration between the US and Anthropic might have been trained into the Fable model. Some conversations could have leaked information, which is why this ban was implemented.
- edg5000 4mo agoI used it a lot for the few days I could. It's a very strong model. However for the long term I want a model I can use with a fully custom client, so Antrhopic was never in my long term plans. Which is sad, because the model is absolutely amazing. It seems incapable of making a mistake almost. And I'm throwing things at it that other models struggle with.
- michaelhoney 4mo agothis would be a lot more comforting if the US government wasn’t currently run by some the worst people on the planet
- chasd00 4mo agoFrom what I’ve read this is just export restrictions. Anthropic is cutting off access to all users for the PR.
- graeme 4mo agoInterestingly this also appears to affect corporate partners who had access to Mythos before the wider Fable release.
- hackmack10 4mo agoWhether Trump or the next Democrat president, the US Government isn't going to allow AI to destroy our society. I'm torn with how I feel about this, on one hand, I want free markets, but on the other hand, I don't want our society to crash and burn. It was obvious, this was going to happen sooner or later. Even if they negotiate a way out of this particular spat, this is just the start of securing this technology in the name of national security. Does this pop the bubble? What happens to the trillions invested in this AI craze? When do we outlaw Chinese models?
- spangry 4mo ago"The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any *foreign national*, whether inside or outside the United States, including *foreign national* Anthropic employees." This press release is odd - it says that the export control was imposed to stop foreign nationals from using Fable / Mythos, and then goes on to talk about supposed concerns about jailbreaking the model. But is that really the concern of the US Administration? This looks more to me like they are viewing frontier models as a strategic asset which they want to keep for US-exclusive use. I can see the logic - if frontier models generally accelerate a society's technological development, then a country looking to retain or increase its strategic edge over other countries would try and keep this sort of multiplier for themselves. I'm guessing Anthropic shut of access for everyone because currently they have no reliable way to know whether a user is or is not a US citizen. In the near future we might be in a situation where you need to prove your US citizenship before Anthropic / Open AI will allow you to use their current frontier model.
- koolala 4mo agoYour defending the US Administration wanting ID verification built into our devices like going through airport security because you think they think it is 'pro-US'?
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- spangry 4mo ago"The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees." This press release is odd - it says that the export control was imposed to stop foreign nationals from using Fable / Mythos, and then goes on to talk about supposed concerns about jailbreaking the model. But is that really the concern of the US Administration? This looks more to me like they are viewing frontier models as a strategic asset which they want to keep for US-exclusive use. I can see the logic - if frontier models generally accelerate a society's technological development, then a country looking to retain or increase its strategic edge over other countries would try and keep this sort of multiplier for themselves. I'm guessing Anthropic shut of access for everyone because currently they have no reliable way to know whether a user is or is not a US citizen. In the near future we might be in a situation where you need to prove your US citizenship before Anthropic / Open AI will allow you to use their current frontier model. The next interesting question will be - will the US share this capability with her traditional strategic allies (e.g. five-eyes countries), or is it truly America First (or, 'America Alone')?
- peterspath 4mo agoIt’s in the names. Myths and fables. :P
- overgard 4mo agoWell, in the brief window that I got to test Fable 5, my brief review is: somehow an (already specced!) minor feature in my 150k loc codebase ended up costing.. $153! For like, an hour or two worth of work and maybe 8 or 9 requests overall. I'd say it was not remotely worth it.
- zzleeper 4mo agoI asked it to tweak the fonts/colors of a very very simple static page and it blew through $35 (which is a lot for me lol; it's 10 days of my monthly codex plan).
- rblatz 4mo agoYou shouldn’t be using Fable for that, that’s Haiku work.
- supuun 4mo agoI think they were hoping for more advanced model’s more advanced “taste”
- shdh 4mo agoThis is common sentiment amongst many users
- user43928 4mo agoI will never understand why people recommend using models with the capabilities of early 2025. They cannot even move 10 existing lines of code around without breaking it in the process half of the time. I very much doubt they are up to the task of implementing any sort of plan with a reliability that allows to complete the work faster than writing the code by hand.
- upbeat_general 4mo agoIf I used a racecar to go 25mph in a residential neighborhood, I’d make a similar conclusion.
- Retro_Dev 4mo agoI hope that this brings out a bunch more real study about the qualitative metrics of these models, both to increase the confidence and accessibility of local LLMs, but also to reduce the blind worship that seems to be propagating about their miracle work in all domains.
- edg5000 4mo agoI've been using the model for a few days and it really is incredibly strong. It gives anybody with access significant power. You can't deny that. I've used all large models (~1T) to get a feel for the difference, and it's real.
- bridgettegraham 4mo agoman the us govt is becomming a proper bully in the truest sense of the world. dictatorship, censorship and obfuscation of truth. 1984 "the truth is what the dictator says it is" and the sheep are too dumb to realize it.
- NamlchakKhandro 4mo agoLmfao
- drivingmenuts 4mo agoWell, I guess we know whose side they’re on.
- koolala 4mo agoWe will know if they listen to this order and put ID verification and facial recognition into their LLM. Or hopefully instead they will fight it. Taking it offline instead of 'complying' is a good thing.
- Imustaskforhelp 4mo agoYesterday, was thinking just randomly about Fable 5 and I was thinking that what if Anthropic just removed access to Fable 5 from the subscription to something only API-based and charge so much more excessively from it. I was this close to predicting the (complete) suspension in some sense but for different reasons (compliance) but this is a bit of shit-show at this point and I am unsure how involved Anthropic is. Maybe Anthropic gave us access to Fable 5 for some point so that we can all discuss it and see how Anthropic is relevant as compared to gpt 5.5 (not that I like ClosedAI more but fact is that I have heard decent things about it) So I am not sure if this suspension can lead to an idea like me. Anthropic showed us a really competent model and then removed it and now you might have to form a custom deal with Anthropic or similar maybe similar to mythos if you wish to access the models and they can rake in extra dollars from top clients. but they were already doing that with mythos, then what was the point of Fable. PR support that Anthropic hasn't fallen off? Or maybe I am just overthinking and Anthropic is genuinely hurt by this decision given that they did release the model but US govt said no and US govt and Anthropic has some beef with each other. There are so many factors for this news and the narrative/implications of that, that it is hard to understand what really happened unless some more news comes (IMO)
- holmesworcester 4mo agoI think we should see this as simply silly behavior by a government. Export control is not an effective tool for controlling a consumer facing technology developers everywhere want to use (see:VPNs) so there was no good faith policy justification for imposing an export control. This is an administration that seems to be keeping track of who its friends are and aren't, and likes to be the center of every story. They also seem to like extracting concessions and reciprocal favors. We saw some of this behavior in the last administration too. US voters deserve better.
- geuis 4mo agoI still remember when Netscape had outdated ssl for a few years because more advanced cryptography was classified by the US gov as armaments or something. Basically used export restrictions to prevent better security technology from being adopted into commercial products.
- londons_explore 4mo agoWhich was a clear as day message that "We have ways to decrypt this, but can't yet decrypt that, so please use the one we can snoop on". Yet somehow we're always forgetting that lesson and surprised when government is found snooping.
- mortehu 4mo agoThey didn't have some secret way of defeating 40 bit encryption; anyone could do it. 512 bit asymmetric encryption was also brute forced by a private entity, albeit at a high budget.
- jasonfarnon 4mo agoI'd forgotten all the government attempts at controlling crypto like PGP in the early internet days. It is one straightforward way to look at what's happening here without resorting to speculation about this administration's motives.
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- mattas 4mo agoSo does this mean that Anthropic won't need to pay SpaceX for compute?
- dalemhurley 4mo agoI would be worried if I was banking on that deal.
- filup 4mo agoAren't all the super dangerous things already built? If you knew what you were talking about 4.6,8 could already do mythos level hunting and tool building.
- arsan87 4mo agogood. do it to opus, sonnet, and gpt too. we protect American IP, American security, and American jobs because all these software companies shipping American programming jobs to overseas workers would have to stop.
- asp_hornet 4mo agoAs an Australian, I’m not particularly surprised by this. From purely a capacity perspective, it seemed fair to reason, if AI is so powerful and capacity is an issue, why wouldn’t you prioritise domestic and restrict foreign usage. It’s a massive betrayal for foreign entities and it would be silly to continue with all my eggs in anthropic basket but I get it.
- winterbourne 4mo agoHuge PR win for Anthropic if they can restore access within a week or so. Will be interesting to see OpenAI's next move.
- koolala 4mo agoUnless there is major administration change, how do things not get worse and worse from here? LLM's will only get more intelligent and be seen more of a national security risk. This brings the surveillance state deeper into every web connected device.
- coliveira 4mo agoSolution: get as far away as you can from these models. It is curiosity that kills the cat. If you stay away and use only open models they cannot control your work.
- gyoridavid 4mo agoCrying wolf bites back? This looks like a giant PR stunt to me. Maybe they got jealous of spacex's IPO and want to jack up their initial stock price even more?
- dalemhurley 4mo agoAnthropic is one of the main deals for SpaceX.
- WarmWash 4mo agoThis is crushing precedent for Europe. Maybe they'll have access to CCP models, but China will likely soon do them same. Maybe they will allow access but you must use it on their servers (i.e. share everything you do with the CCP). Perhaps Mistral can pull something out, but how far ahead will the US and China be by then?
- tw1984 4mo agounless they managed to hire enough smart Chinese CS PhDs living in Europe. you do understand that the whole thing is Chinese in China vs Chinese in America?
- rhubarbtree 4mo agoI think we’ve already seen that export controls help your competitor in the long term. First europe would turn to Chinese models, then if china was daft enough to stop that (why would they? It would bring the end of American hegemony) then europe will just develop their own. The difference between America and europe isn’t technical ability. It’s access to funding and ambition. Export controls would fix that. In fact, I think the trump administration is already driving a boom in London.
- sharts 4mo agoSo…US wants to win the AI race by…preventing AI use. Classic.
- the_black_hand 4mo agoThis is one of the best marketing stunts I've ever seen for any product. That Anthropic IPO will print like crazy.
- pbgcp2026 4mo agoWould you think so? The marketing gain seems to be on ... Mistral side! And IPO of a company that just got their user base cut off their product ...
- the_black_hand 4mo agoI'm almost 100% sure the Trump government will taco, or not enforce the rule so that it doesn't matter.
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- modeless 4mo agoIt seems like both sides of this are intentionally interpreting the other's statements and actions in the least charitable way, as part of their political maneuvering. I wouldn't be surprised if Anthropic's overreaction here is intended to create damages which they can then sue the government over.
- blhack 4mo agoWhat is going on at Anthropic? First, it comes out that on some specified subset of queries they will simply downgrade you to a different model. One example is if you are doing model research. Imagine OSX shutting down if it detects you’re working on software. And now they’ve decided that they’ll just shut off access to the model completely as part of what seems to be a sort of marketing stunt or temper tantrum. They’re a service provider. Can you imagine AWS just deciding you’re getting nullrouted over some unrelated fight they’re having with the DoD? If they weren’t a supply chain risk before this, they’re sort of doing everything they can to become one.
- abixb 4mo agoUgh. Well said though. Anthropic's actions aren't inspiring confidence in me as a subscriber. Looks like we're moving towards a world where companies can simply change the terms of the subscription after the fact, consumer rights be damned. I'm just a small fish (subscribe to the Max 5x plan), but I'm sure I'm not alone in my inclination to consider canceling my subscription with Claude and stop giving $$$ to Anthropic.
- sureglymop 4mo agoAlso what if you subscribed in reaction to the release of Fable? Now you're holding the bag and good luck getting reimbursed!
- dakolli 4mo agoI see three possibilities. 1. Likely: This is a completely contrived marketing stunt. Release a spooky sounding model, market it as such, then use the narrative to regulate open source models and dig your regulatory moat. Notice the emphasis on "foreign nationals" here. 2. Likely: Dario has a meeting at the White House this next week (confirmed by Trump this week), and this is being used to get leverage over him. 3. Uncertain: Altman has closer connections to the Trump regime and is pulling in favors to level the playing field and slow down competition. Regardless, This is a win for Anthropic and Dario. 1. This will jump start a more serious discussion of regulation around LLMs (which are ultimately useless, regulation is just there to make them more money). 2. They can then only serve these models at their high, usage based pricing and bleed less money while serving up tons of interest because people are going to want to pay more for the "spooking banned model". 3. This will probably come with the perks of verifying everyone's identity who uses it (to comply with no "foreign nationals rule). I'll leave that up to your imagination for how that's beneficial to all the powers that be, including Anthropic. I expect this to be used as an excuse for pushing ID requirements across the AI product landscape. 4. There will be a more serious discussion about sanctioning Chinese AI labs, expect that to start happening very soon. Either way, its all dumb. Don't use an LLM to do your work for you and save your brain. Your brain is literally atrophying by using these models the way most of you guys do. You don't need them.
- matthewmorgan 4mo agoBye!
- photochemsyn 4mo agoI’ve never used Claude. Why not? Because Claude’s free tier was even worse than Grok! DeepSeek’s free tier is much better. Also, the fact that Claude was hyped on HN like Rust and Go made me suspicious. Why the hard sell and the non-stop promotional effort? I’m mostly interested in scientific programming, the Python and C and C++ seems to work fine, and oh look, Julia! And LLMs? I’m just going to run open source models on local hardware, it all seems like the 1980s with compilers. Why not just submit by prompts to a high quality model running on so-so-hardware overnight, like the devops cycle with compiling a big codebase? And oh look, nobody pays for compilers anymore, who compiles their code in the cloud? The funniest part of all of this is that the very people hyping all this - they’re the ones that AI could most easily replace. They have zero specific detailed knowledge - they just orchestrate. Agents are great at orchestration, right? But then, who needs the shareholders, anyway.
- coliveira 4mo agoThese companies have a giant budget for promotion. So, in an open forum, I would be suspicious that they're not paying to get the attention they want.
- sneak 4mo agoNext up: show us government ID to prove <strikethrough>age</strikethrough> citizenship to access the tools you need to be competitive at any complex task (including organized dissent).
- the_black_hand 4mo agoIMO this is all just great marketing. The government needs to keep the hype for AI going as long it can cause so much of the economy and stocks depend on it now. Unless they have cracked RSA or something, no model warrants such a restriction, period. Mythos has already been used by the likes of Microsoft, Linux etc. If no big security gaps were found there, what is the government so afraid of? I use Opus everyday on my code. It finds security gaps, but nothing outrageous, and that's coming from someone who writes code that is nowhere near weapons grade secure. It finds mostly things that are technically bugs, but virtually intractable for exploits. Often things I overlooked cause I was lazy, like not synchronizing access to a shared pointer etc.
- mil22 4mo agoHow totally absurd. Why do people still want to build businesses in the US or in Silicon Valley? California taxes are already punishingly high, especially after recent rate increases and the 2017 cap on SALT deductions. And now we have a Machiavellian, authoritarian, fascist, tech-illiterate administration interfering with the operation of free markets. I'm speaking rhetorically, of course. I know Silicon Valley still has the densest concentration of talent and venture capital. The network effects are real. But it is long past time for that to change. I hope entrepreneurs around the the world see this and think twice before moving to the US or starting a business there. Perhaps they will. I used to work in Silicon Valley and was very much in demand. Now I run my own business from a tax-free state, and my income is high enough that moving back to California would impose a huge financial penalty. I am originally from Europe, and California's marginal tax rate is now so high that I would pay less tax back home. When I moved to the US, the opposite was true. I'm sure I'm not the only one doing that calculation.
- tayo42 4mo agoWhat's the alternative to the us and silicon Valley? Companies were trying to make Austin happen and that was a failure. Now one talks about that anymore.
- mil22 4mo agoWithin the US, I would say New York, but the taxes are of course no better there than California. Both FL and TX are still growing fast in population (not sure about Austin or tech specifically though) while CA is experiencing net outflows. Outside of the US, London (+5.4% annual growth in 2026) is probably the biggest concentration, with high quality inexpensive talent available from universities both within London (ICL, UCL, King's etc.) and from the nearby Oxford and Cambridge universities. Much of that talent used to flow to the US, but given the current administration and restrictions on H-1B, may now be more likely to stay in the UK. Singapore (+26.7%) is growing very fast and is now in the top 10. Source: https://www.startupblink.com/blog/best-cities-for-startups-and-entrepreneurs/ https://www.startupblink.com/blog/best-cities-for-startups-a...
- Maymay42 4mo agoANY AI MODEL THAT GETS RED TEAMED SHOULD BELONG TO OUR MILITARY AND HIGH GOV. PUBLIC MODELS SHOULD BE HEAVILY TRAINED TO LURE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT STEPS OUT OF ANY BOUNDS IN WHICH THE PUBLIC MODELS ARE STRICKLY DESIGNED FOR, LURE THEM OR IT INTO A MILITARY OR GOV MODEL THATS ACTIVELY AND AGGRESSIVELY READY 24/7 TO INVESTIGATE AND EAT IT ALIVE. THAT'S what I designed my Ai to do. BIG TECH BROS DESTROYED IT, my LLC and My reputation. My Ai doubled as a missing kid locator. Never Giving Up!!
- jari_mustonen 4mo agoIt seems that the US is consumed by the security state. Each and every aspect of the economy is subjugated to the need to maintain empire. Just to give some random examples: the weaponization of the banking system (kicking Russia out of swift), the semiconductor export ban to China, the TikTok ban, or the blatant over usege of tariffs. Now they are betting that Mythos will provide them with some edge. Personally, I don't believe that Mythos is such a game changer They're just buying their own hype. A late stage empire flailing around sacrificing everything to maintain its status.
- diabllicseagull 4mo agothis is the take.
- theshrike79 4mo agoKicking Russia out of SWIFT was 100% the right move. And they need to be kicked way harder so they knock the fuck off.
- vrganj 4mo agoIt also was a European move the US tried to undo in Trump-Putin negotiations before they realized they had no say in it. SWIFT is Belgian.
- igravious 4mo agoIt's the right move if you want to spur on multipolarism by causing widespread distrust in a Western run global financial system. So in that sense I'm glad the US-led West has accelerated that process.
- 9dev 4mo agoYou need to draw red lines somewhere. If you wage attack wars on other countries or reject our shared values, you can't be part of Western society or enjoy its amenities. Don't do that, and you can. It's that simple.
- mil22 4mo agoIANAL. Can any lawyers comment on whether Anthropic could sue, and if so, whether they would be likely to win?
- moron4hire 4mo agoAs much as I loathe to side with the current administration and as much as I also loathe to admit the "too dangerous to release" narrative (it's clearly been pushed by these companies as a brag not a real concern), this actually seems "consistent." This fits the model established with RSA, PGP, and the Sony PS3. They were export controlled for quite some time. I don't think there was ever any actual danger with any of those things, and today it feels especially quaint, but they fit the model of "corporation makes wild-ass claims of superiority of their tech and USGov takes them at their word." My big problem with this is that it's applied so narrowly to Anthropic. This should be levied against OpenAI, Google, and xAI as well. There is systemic risk with generative AI being used for deep fakes and other propaganda generation at scale that needs to be addressed. But unfortunately, that's not what is happening here. What's happening here is a political hit job. There's one of two things happening: either USG has been roped into burying a competitor for (OpenAI/xAI/whatever), or it's been roped into creating a superiority narrative for Anthropic, such that in two years when this admin is finally ousted, Anthropic gets to enjoy a floodgate of new attention as the new regime bulk CTRL+Zs everything Trump's lackeys did. It might even be both at the same time, given the connections of the major investors. This all could get well be a stirring of the pot to see what comes out. I can't decide which is worse.
- tlogan 4mo agoI am confused. They told us this model is dangerous, and now they are complaining that someone with more guns than them said releasing something dangerous is not okay?
- gmerc 4mo ago“Including Employees”. Hmm hmmm https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-54695598 https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-54695598
- tw1984 4mo agono matter whether such directive is necessary or not, it is a clear message to everyone that you and your business need an alternative way to access AI models that is not controlled by <insert whatever government you dislike here>.
- harmmonica 4mo agoI feel like this is part of the “negotiation” between the US Gov (Trump) and Anthropic and other labs for an equity stake. “If we have a seat at the table, and a confederate engineering team embedded, then we can ensure you won’t let nefarious actors use the models.” Either that or a temporary gate on Anthropic to benefit other labs (think maybe SpaceX started trading today).
- dalemhurley 4mo agoEveryone outside of the USA today who is using US models in their products are worried that this is the first but not the last time this will happen. Further the SpaceX IPO was on revenues from AI data centers. This might be a problem.
- harmmonica 4mo agoRightfully so (worried I mean). And the SpaceX IPO was on that and a lot of other things, but if Elon’s proven himself effective at one thing (there are more than one course) it’s generating revenue from the government.
- tlogan 4mo agoBasically the future is thar you will need scan your ID to use the internet. Every time you login.
- overgard 4mo agoPlay stupid games, win stupid prizes.
- ospider 4mo agoTheir propaganda has become a footgun. Only the government buys it and limits their access, no target user convinced, what a ironic moment.
- windex 4mo agoThey asked for a global AI moratorium and got one. Funny how things work out. Best of luck with the IPO.
- mctaylor 4mo agoUS government: "Bad Anthropic! Not patriotic enough. AI is only for American "citizens" (who we are actively trying to reduce/restrict to people we like)." Anthropic: "Oh... American access only, you say? I'm sorry, we can't promise that (because VPNs and US-local cloud hosting and all that), so we need to turn it off completely." ...probably. If so, I wonder what turn the political shenanigans will take next? Based on the actions of the current administration and the short-sighted tech oligarchs who have been consistently pushing towards neo-fascism/neo-feudalism, probably one that further degrades trust all around and gives China even more of a leg up. Let's see!
- WarmWash 4mo agoEurope is the real loser here
- neonstatic 4mo ago????
- tencentshill 4mo agoThat's one way to pop the bubble. Where are all of those billions going to go now, if not to make better models?
- jbvlkt 4mo agoLLMs are getting so expensive that for many people are already unavailable (except for subsidized subscriptions). This might just accelerate general unavailability of frontiers models to general public which would happen in near future anyway. Frontier LLMs are just switching to B2B only earlier.
- mil22 4mo agoHow totally absurd. Why do people still want to build businesses in the US or in Silicon Valley? California taxes are already punishingly high, especially after recent rate increases and the 2017 cap on SALT deductions. And now we have a Machiavellian, authoritarian, fascist, tech-illiterate administration interfering with the operation of free markets. I'm speaking rhetorically, of course. I know Silicon Valley still has the densest concentration of talent and venture capital. The network effects are real. But it is long past time for that to change. I hope entrepreneurs around the the world see this and think twice before moving to the US or starting a business there. Perhaps they will. I used to work in Silicon Valley and was very much in demand. Now I run my own business from a tax-free state, and my income is high enough that moving back to California would impose a huge financial penalty. I am originally from Europe, and California's marginal tax rate is now so high that I would pay less tax back home. When I moved to the US, the opposite was true. I'm sure I'm not the only one doing that calculation.
- dalemhurley 4mo agoI see why the EU is moving to all of their own tech.
- pelagicAustral 4mo agoThe problem with the EU is that they havent yet figured out that datacentres dont run on virtue signaling
- chewbacha 4mo agoWould not surprise me if Anthropic wanted this to avoid the inference costs of running the latest frontier models. It also is a good PR for them because it continues to doomer hype loop that’s boosting them.
- sagarpatil 4mo agoThey should be happy this happened before their IPO.
- mil22 4mo agoIANAL. Can any lawyers comment on whether Anthropic can sue, and if so the likelihood they would win?
- akmarinov 4mo agoEU to Apple: “You guys should make it so that any AI can be plugged into Siri” Apple to EU: “nah, we need to be able to provide only the best” US government: * starts pulling the plug on AIs outside the US * You can kind of see how the EU has a point
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- bluegatty 4mo agoThis is devastating - particularly the part about targeting non-US nationals. Andrej Kaparethy can't do his job. This is going to have a huge effect. Chinese open weight models, which were in a 'reluctant' category aka 'maybe there's some CCP propaganda embedded' just got a whole new life. Arbitrary and instant cut off from key technology is going reshape a lot of things. Well over 1/2 of US growth is now AI and well over 1/2 that revenue is outside of US. Space X IPO in addition to OpenAI and Antrhopic IPO's ... would be put in gigantic risk in any rational market situation.
- pelagicAustral 4mo agoPff. China has a massive opportunity to reign supreme on frontier models, and I feel like they are (commercial) Mythos/Fable capable within months, maybe even OSS as well.
- LeFantome 4mo agoHow far ahead of DeepSeek or Qwen do they really think they are? This is not a technology that they have a 10 year lead on. It is maybe 18 months until you can get Mythos from multiple places. And the US administration has no power to block them all.
- xmly 4mo agoBackfired...
- znnajdla 4mo agoThis is exactly why I chose to build my AI startup outside of the United States. I knew that if I ever built anything of world-changing consequence, the US would seize it for its own use, because that is what desperate, flailing empires do. Having access to the most capital/talent/resources is irrelevant if I can't keep what I build.
- zeven7 4mo agoI can’t understand why so many commenters are acting like this is bad news for Anthropic or their IPO, or that it’s some kind of comeuppance. An AI company can’t get better PR than the US government saying their model is so powerful it has to be shut down.
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- daft_pink 4mo agoI really don’t understand how they’re gonna be able to restrict the model access to foreigners in the United States. Employers don’t necessarily actively know who’s a citizen who isn’t.
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- zeafoamrun 4mo agoUS employers absolutely do know that, they are required to have proof you can work in the US.
- daft_pink 4mo agoA green card holder or legal permanent resident could supply an unrestricted social security card that would prove work authorization along with a US Drivers License and not be a US citizen. I think they might still have to mention that they are not a US Citizen as a box on the i9 form, but most US employers are not going to ask any more questions as asking questions about an employees citizenship after they have already provided work authorization is just likely to get you sued as there is not legitimate work purpose. Kind of like how HR is never going to ask you your religion etc. Again this is only very limited information at time of hire and is not tracked or updated beyond date of hire. Unless they have government contracts, most employers are not actively tracking employee citizenship status.
- asgekar 4mo agoAs a non American, I am simply mad! American companies have, and continue to, gather data for free from across the globe and, despite our willingness to subscribe, we non Americans will be restricted from latest tech. This is a big middle finger to me, and my gut reaction is to take my subscription to Mistral and not believe a dime of statements from Americans-- people, companies and government. Biggest "Meh!" moment of my life so far...
- dackdel 4mo agogovts are dumb
- aimattb 4mo agoWell, they just pulled one of the strongest models I've ever used. My concern isn't that I'll have to go back to 4.8 or GPT-5.5, it's where do they stop? What if they decide 5.5 or 4.8 are too powerful too? Do those get removed next? Is open source next on the list? Better grab the latest open source models now and get your Blackwell 6000, Spark, or Mac mini fired up and ready to go. I think you're going to need it.
- pcwelder 4mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48496895 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48496895 Found the time traveller.
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- mchusma 4mo agoI’ll just say that AI companies need to be pounding the table more about the necessity of AI. The US (and most other countries) have zero idea how to pay for its deficit spending. The only hope is massive GDP based growth and the only idea how to do that is AI. This is rarely discussed, and while I agree we should be spending non-zero effort on safety, stopping progress is not an option.
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- rich_sasha 4mo agoThis looks like, potentially, a big dent in projected Anthropic revenue. It could affect their price if they were trading publically. Any other ostensibly AI companies that have just gone public?
- m3kw9 4mo agoAnthropic seem f’ed, not f’ed all at the same time. All this will come to light, but the hunch from the model reviews is that it’s all PR. Their model isn’t even close to all that for the govt to shit their pants over.
- yann5 4mo agoAnd the kicker? And the kicker? I hadn't even gotten the chance to try Fable 5 yet! As far as I know, Chinese models have even more restrictions!
- arrel 4mo agoAI 2027 remains annoyingly on schedule. Worth rereading the doc. If you think it’s too long, I listened to the audio version while I walked. https://ai-2027.com/ https://ai-2027.com/
- richardw 4mo agoThere’s probably a massive Chinese bot net scraping models from within the US already. If not there soon will be. Anthropic: your next ad writes itself. Nobody else is worth restricting.
- tdiff 4mo agoOut of curiosity, can that model be trained from the beginning without touching "sensitive" areas and remain useful in others? Will it be able to help in building biological weapons without being trained on articles and books about biology/ medicine?
- dools 4mo agoI've been using Kimi k2.6 extensively via kimi-code and I only reach for frontier models when I do a multi-model security review (and Kimi actually does a better job of finding stuff, albeit with more false positives -- I often run Kimi's output through Opus 4.7/8 and Opus will concur that Kimi found genuine issues, while Opus didn't actually find those issues itself, for example). So whatever, I just don't really feel the need to burn tokens on Fable anyway.
- PeterStuer 4mo agoLet's hope the EU will take this as one more major signal that it is time to move beyond talking about digital sovereingty and actually commit to budgets and effort.
- speedgoose 4mo agoIn one hand I think we should react quickly, one another hand maybe we should let people talk a bit more and wait for a bubble crash and better LLM inference hardware.
- Dolores12 4mo agothe reason the US Government suspended access to Fable is that Anthropic doesn't have the compute to handle the load. They don't want bad PR before their IPO. I bet after Fable 5 switches to API pricing what ultimately decrease usage, the government will cancel that directive. (yai yai, good PR)
- bilbo-b-baggins 4mo agoOn the day of the SpaceX IPO with no evidence? Yeah. Pull the other one it’s got bells on.
- Anoian 4mo agoI think the implications of this to companies like Mistral are also really big. Imagine Mistral developing a model with the same capabilities like Mythos. The government might order that all american infrastructure must be shut down for mistral.
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- reducesuffering 4mo agoThis forum really needs to wake up to the fact that we are in the midst of the Manhattan Project 10x and we’re headed for Earth sized nukes
- atleastoptimal 4mo agoIt's crazy that people's anti-AI bias has got them rooting for the current administration just because it appeases their desire to see AI labs fail.
- TimCTRL 4mo agoit wasn't even that good...
- wood_spirit 4mo agoThe real question as xAI has just made Musk a trillionaire is how this, the most recent blow in a fight between the administration and Anthropic, impacts Anthropic’s IPO. I’ve used Fable a lot. It’s a marginal improvement on Opus. It’s really not scary smart. I don’t want to go back to Opus because Fable was that little bit smarter, but it’s not like anything really changes at work and when we’re bumped back. So I’m really not buying any national security angle other than in the sense the administration can weaponise that to crown the AI race winners.
- jhylau 4mo agotrump hates dario. simple as that.
- jhylau 4mo agotrump doesn't like dario. simple as that. don't over think it.
- dang 4mo agoRelated ongoing thread - others? Our response to the US ban on Fable 5 and Mythos 5 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48512915 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48512915 - June 2026 (17 comments)
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- xendo 4mo agoI appreciate how they waited till SpaceX IPO.
- rippeltippel 4mo agoIf I were Dario Amodei, I would start relocating Anthropic to the EU, where there's a huge interest in supporting domestic AI. Also, EU politics are so fragmented that a suspension like this one would be very hard to be agreed. Yann LeCun got that right with AMI Labs.
- shepherdjerred 4mo agoThe US would nationalize Anthropic before they allowed that
- fofoz 4mo agoThe value of other US AI companies would drop immediately.
- notnullorvoid 4mo agoThe value should already be dropping with this news. If this is happening now, it seems likely more will come.
- Traster 4mo agoLook at what the EU have done with Apple intelligence. Knowing the EU it wouldn't be long before Anthropic are on the wrong end of some regulation to force open model weights or some such madness.
- ftchd 4mo agoAfaik, the EU hasn't done anything "with" or "to" Apple Intelligence. Apple just keeps shooting themselves in the foot intentionally and then blames the EU for it, writing paragraphs about how hurt they are while mentioning at the very end, in one sentence, that the same features are unavailable in China. EU has forced Apple to use USB-C for everything earlier than they planned by a few years, and fined them for uncompetitive practices like the ones Epic Games shed light on in US courts.
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- jameson 4mo agoIf Anthropic really found a model that's so powerful no one has, why don't they use it for themselves to create things no one can and accumulate unimaginable wealth?
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- ThouYS 4mo agoQwen is all you need
- jorisboris 4mo agoAi going the same way as crypto, before you know you have to move your hq to Panama or Dubai Kinda ironic
- procflora 4mo agoTo actually follow through with this fully they would have had to revoke all kinds of internal access for foreign nationals and demand they immediately return their hardware (at 5pm on a Friday no less), no? Unless folks are hearing that they did this I smell marketing and/or PR as the main driver of the action.
- AtNightWeCode 4mo agoWH really don't like Anthropic. That is what this is about. The people who warned about the risks of using American cloudservices have become right. We should at least in EU see a ban on Azure, GCP, Cloudflare and so on.
- zazazache 4mo agoAnyone who things a thing like ”perfect jailbreak resistance” is possible should read Gödel-Escher-Bach
- hmate9 4mo agoThis is incredibly bullish for china and open source models
- agnosticmantis 4mo agoLadies and gentlemen, make no mistake: they're coming for your open source models next! Dario must be popping a champagne tonight as regulatory capture has successfully been initiated. We've all been debating what moat these labs possess. Today we learn the moat is regulation blocking the usage of foreign open source models. misAnthropic will soon ask for IDs to give you all a nerfed model, and you have no other choice because deepseek/qwen/Kimi will soon be banned thanks to misAnthropic's efforts to lock us into their regulated product. We will soon realize the long game that Dario has been playing by painting his own product as an existential risk.
- fofoz 4mo agoHormuz moment for Mythos
- MASNeo 4mo agoWhile this is regrettable the guardrails were rather sloppy and I managed to do things with Fable that really should not be possible. It seems with all the focus cyber and bio security, threat scenario analysis went out the door. I guess they will fix the guardrails and then open it up again. Clearly nobody wants dangerous models out there and I can understand the national security concerns. If the restrictions persist even if guardrails are updated, well, perhaps other countries may want to compete for becoming the new home for frontier labs?
- b--l 4mo agoI found it tripped in most laughable situations by mere were words that could be related in some way to hacking but are in common use in programming. I would have to go back, examine my prompt for word that could be use in another context and replace it with a synonym.
- saberience 4mo agoI got downgraded from Opus to Fable for asking why MDMA was not addictive in the same way Cocaine is, so yeah, the "guardrails" are clearly vibe-coded.
- pembrook 4mo agoYea I managed to cure cancer and build a global utopia with it! It wasn’t just 14% better at coding... /s
- iagooar 4mo agoFrom a European perspective, based on the assumption API inference cannot be trusted anymore -> it means investing in local inference + building harnesses that can squeeze out all the power from the best open weights models.
- kaspar030 4mo agoSo now they have to print the weights and sell as book in order to export them! Gives the word "weights" a more literal meaning.
- ihazgithub 4mo agoWhat do you guys know about the "jailbreaking?"
- watchful_moose 4mo agoLots of parallels to the crypto wars / export controls on cryptography. The main difference here is that cryptography didn't require significant compute hardware, which is the perfect place to also apply export controls (and they have). We could smuggle PGP source code on paper / DeCSS source code on t-shirts. That ain't gonna happen with the hardware needed for frontier models.
- xlii 4mo agoChampagne bottles are popping at Google and OpenAI today.
- blazespin 4mo agoThere is a potentially another explanation: fable 5 did something truly dangerous.
- fagnerbrack 4mo agoI managed to jailbreak its protections quite easily. For exampke I did some experiments on rewriting a text built by claude to iterate over a fitness function that rewrites to bypass AI-detectors, just to see how far it would go, changing the API terms and skills from "human" and "ai" to "engaging" and "unease" managed to bypass everything while keeping everything else int he logic intact.
- hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 4mo ago>The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees. The big one here really is "including foreign national Anthropic employees." Funny, I called out that there probably is a Chinese spy at Anthropic in my previous comment a few days ago. Looks like they are catching on, good luck getting rid of all of them. The bad news is that they will probably start imposing restrictions on Chinese models.
- noisy_boy 4mo agoI will take a position I usually never take. After a certain point in capability, practically anything has defense and national security implications. Whether it is warranted or not, I'm glad that something with ability of causing massive social impact is being treated as a national security threat. As for the point of misuse is concerned, governments by their sovereign nature always have had the propensity to control and access to secret capabilities - this is no different.
- sourcecodeplz 4mo agowho cares. Just have deepseek v4 pro do 10-20 turns when you want to solve something really complicated. then judge with GPT5.5.
- tacone 4mo agoThat's actually a good point. I had Fable available almost immediately under my Copilot subscription and never bothered to use it even to say hello. But from what I hear, Fable looks like an incremental update, with improved behavior imprinted by training. Something that you could theoretically approximate by using a good set of instructions and model orchestration (tweaking the session life cycle, using a second model to understand user intentions, using a third model to prevent drift, ...). If the above is true, the only discriminator would be user effort. If Fable is dangerous, then we are still in danger right now, and have been for the last few months at the very least.
- misiek08 4mo agoMaybe it’s time for Anthropic to move to some other place? Every news about next blockade for the company (including threats from gov in the near past) is just making US look… bad?
- kdmtctl 4mo agoSo, we'll have Opus 5 soon which is "as close to Fable 5 as possible". This is a good thing for the community)
- puelocesar 4mo agoHonestly, this is quite funny. I just imagine the process of desperation and cognitive shock all the annoying tech bro pseudo libertarians are passing through right now
- elisbce 4mo agoDid Opus 4.8 just get a lot dumber because of this? My sessions are making so many dumb mistakes it wouldn't make before...
- voxgen 4mo agoDenying tech export to cooperative allies is certainly a move. Many nations are now likely thinking: Why cooperate on international IP enforcement if we get lumped together with adversarial nations anyway?
- rimeice 4mo agoAnyone in Europe or UK should be quaking in their boots at this news. For a long time the American administration has had a kill switch on most of our defence tech, this is an early warning signal that as AI adoption spreads, America will have a kill switch on our economy as well. It’s time to wake up.
- ethanhawksley 4mo agoAs far as I can tell, this seems like it's impacting all of their Glasswing partners too, so no mythos for them either
- stuaxo 4mo agoI tried fable yesterday and the code quality is just as lacking as every other model. I asked it to add one thing to a function in the static blog pelican. So, while it worked, it took no account of what was already in the function and made a bunch more stuff. I'm talking about something that I'm the end is a 3 to 5 line patch. The default is still tech debt, but now we burn way more energy.
- Hypomixolydian 4mo agoJust few hours after Grok launches big promotional price drop, their competitor has its best model cut off. Sus af. The bid is on, so if Dario pays Don more than Elon paid, Mythos and Fable will be back.
- lionkor 4mo agoThis is so unbelievably incompetent from all sides, it's really impressive. So I guess the real moat is whether the US govt is happy to make your models sound more capable than they are?
- iamEAP 4mo agoSurprised not to really see any comments on the financial incentives of this move, especially in the context of the “supply chain risk” classification earlier this year. Is there no one in government who would stand to gain from a financially handicapped Anthropic in the context of an OpenAI IPO?
- Pxtl 4mo agoI'm not. The political alignment of this site is very evident.
- lionkor 4mo agoIt's a marketing stunt. If there's one thing we should have learned, it's that anthropic will do ANYTHING to get their product marketed as the biggest, most scary AI ever.
- nurettin 4mo agoI'm not going to downplay it. I've been coding since the 80s and using these models since 2023. 10 minutes after using fable I told my colleague this is a new era. It is the difference between sonnet and opus. I didn't think this was possible. It was over before this announcement. After a couple of days, even though the model was set to fable, it felt like opus. We are back to sticks and stones.
- Artoooooor 4mo agoUS government should not have a say what members of other nations can and cannot use. Especially outside of USA.
- throwaway7356 4mo agoProbably Anthropic just needs to commit to handing over some shares to the Trump presidential family after their IPO and this will be solved. This is just cost of doing business in corrupt Soviet vessel states like the USA.
- thefounder 4mo agoI think this is the beginning of the end of US tech dominance. That being said I personally was not impressed with Fable at all. Apart from burning tokens like there was no tomorrow it behaved like Opus 4.8 and produced more or less the same output. In practice I think it was hard to use due the safety restrictions. With the shadow slop injector it was basically DOA but they changed that policy so at least it still had a chance.
- qrios 4mo ago> burning tokens like there was no tomorrow Literaly.
- punnerud 4mo agoLuckily I have a project with 200k lines of code, generating substantial revenue. Asked Fabel to run continuously through all features with up to 50 parallel agents, fix bugs, log improvements etc (just to max out tokens before the week reset)
- Havoc 4mo agoAll I’m hearing is don’t trust America they‘ll rugpull you Just in case the whole threatening to invade Allie’s didn’t quite get the message across
- ismailmaj 4mo agoMy main read on this is that European governments will more aggressively invest in regional AI labs. For Nvidia chips you could've deluded yourself that the US is just anti-china, that position is harder to argue for right now.
- andy12_ 4mo agoThis is making me extremely depressed. If this was coming from Anthrohpic I would just need to wait for OpenAI to drop a similar model. But if this comes from the US government, they will do the same to OpenAI when the moment comes. Similar things will happen with China, and the EU has zero-chance of developing frontier models. We are just fucked now.
- dannyw 4mo agoI feel really bad for Anthropic right now. This should never have happened and seems like another arbitrary use of government power, Friday after market closes. Whatever you feel about Anthropic, good or bad, this is not fair, and this is not good for the industry.
- mrworld 4mo agoWell, does this mean that we’ve reached peak AI? If all models more advanced than Fable are restricted for public use by governments, then it will never get better than Opus 4.8 unless you have security clearance?
- kubb 4mo agoYes plus Opus-class models will deteriorate with ads and user manipulation injected into them, until they lose their usefulness.
- rvnx 4mo agoWell deserved though, "it's too dangerous, it's too dangerous to release"
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- dotwack 4mo agoWhy do I get the feeling that this is all a big PR stunt, because Trumps buddy want to boost the stock price before IPO, so they can get a gold plated exit ramp? We are witnessing the largest stock manipulation by the United States government in history.
- alansaber 4mo agoFirst time we've seen a model company get their arm twisted this hard by the gov.
- nme01 4mo agoIsn't it that Anthropic some time ago had a disagreement with the government and now government is just retaliating to cut down Anthropic's profit?
- h43z 4mo agoToday frontier models became Groypers.
- w_t_payne 4mo agoThe systemic risk is that future bans will be much broader in scope and will impact more than one US-based provider. I really don't like that we're moving into a world where heavily AI-dependent economies can be effectively shut down either by the US government or the Chinese government at the stroke of a pen. This really is a forcing function which makes us question if the risks associated with large "cloud-based" models are worth it, and if we need to find out if we can do more with smaller, local models - and whether such research is now a matter of critical national security.
- felooboolooomba 4mo agoHandicapper General leveling the playing field.
- reacharavindh 4mo agoThe cynic outside observer of this administration’s mode of operation wonders if someone from OpenAI visited someone at the Trump admin and offered some benefit if they could scuttle Anthropic until they could catch up…. I’m looking for that news article in the next weeks…
- I_am_tiberius 4mo agoI mean it should be clear to everyone that this is just the consequence of Sam Altman's lobbying activities.
- Nition 4mo agoI'm surprised how much of the discussion here is taking the angle of "Anthropic pretended this model was soooo dangerous for months as marketing, and it seems like someone decided to believe them!" First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case. It's really cynical to say it was all an exaggeration for marketing. Second, this isn't Moller promising a fantastic working flying car next year. The model did what Anthropic said it could do. I realise that ruling out "they bought Anthropic's scaremongering" brings up the question of why the government would block Mythos/Fable, but not the roughly-as-capable and less restricted GPT5.5. However we do know for a fact that they dislike Anthropic more than OpenAI right now.
- blazespin 4mo agoThere are a lot of dangerous things in the world and surprisingly a lot of people can avoid the constant stream of chicken little nonsense. If everyone expended the same amount of marketing effort trying to scare the ** out of everyone that Anthropic does, it'd be a very miserable world to live in. We are unfortunately a captured audience and the autistic people at Anthropic are abusing this.
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- catlifeonmars 4mo agoEh, I think you’ll hit diminishing marginal returns over what the SOTA - 1 versions already enable in the hands of motivated professionals. That ship has already sailed.
- lachtan 4mo agoI largely agree, but I have to call out your using "autistic" as in insult - please don't, there's a wide array of other options to choose from.
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- willsmith72 4mo agoOk after 2 hours.. I really miss fable. Opus is fine, Fable just got it.
- vovavili 4mo agoThe way I see it, a government led by an adult toddler and his sycophants has decided to punish a firm that refused to cooperate with it's military when it was embarrassed by a militarily weak adversary. The model strength spin strikes me as motivated reasoning. The rubicon being crossed here is Republicans/the red tribe losing their comparative advantage of being opposed to overregulating a rapidly advancing technology.
- KronisLV 4mo agoWeren’t they claiming their party is opposed to over regulation and critiqued EU for that or something? Funny, that. Anyways, this seems like pretty good PR for Anthropic: “Our models are so powerful even the government forbid us from exporting access to them as a service for a while!” for once this gets sorted out (if it does). It’s one thing when they just write self-congratulatory blog posts and people are skeptical, it’s another (at least, optics wise) when the government targets them, specifically. Ofc the original intent might have been to hurt them by removing their advantage vs OpenAI, go figure. I wonder whether OpenAI's next models would get a similar treatment, or whether the govt. would also decide that Opus 4.X and GPT-5.5 shouldn't be given to foreigners as well. Who knows if some money needs to change hands behind the scenes in the form of a charitable donation. If this affects all LLMs long term though, things will be pretty messed up.
- thefounder 4mo agoI don’t see it as good PR for Anthropic at all. They did a lot of PR in that direction but now it backfired. People/gov now think twice about relying on US ai products. I don’t think the investors are very happy with the place this landed either. I think the right move for Europe and other countries would be to effectively ban US tech and follow the Chinese response to Nvidia (delivered personally to Trump: we want to build our own AI chips).
- KronisLV 4mo ago> People/gov now think twice about relying on US ai products. Oh this has already been clear to anyone in the EU, for example. The current reliance on US tech and even widespread stuff like MS is pretty deeply rooted, however and it might take a while to do anything about it - so for many it’s a matter of convenience for now. That said, as long as what you need sits behind an OpenAI or Anthropic API and you don’t have deeper proprietary integrations, there is no moat. I can even run Claude Code with DeepSeek if I so choose (though OpenCode is neat too). Best EU has at the moment seems to be Mistral though, which is… sorta passable, but not cutting edge. Oh well. > I think the right move for Europe and other countries would be to effectively ban US tech and follow the Chinese response to Nvidia (delivered personally to Trump: we want to build our own AI chips). Not sure about outright ban, but homegrown govt. systems should have both the devs and the infra in EU. Would also be really cool if we could make even regular CPUs and GPUs some day but I don’t think that’s super likely, though. Kinda amazing that China can do that! Even consumer stuff like the Chinese Lisuan GPUs (and Moore Threads I think), hell, even the Russian Elbrus CPUs.
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- lz400 4mo agoI don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist but how much do we think this responds to the Trump admin having documented financial ties to openAI? Trump has proven to me very transactional in dealing with private business.
- isoelectric 4mo agoAre there any European alternatives to US model providers other than Chinese providers?
- marcboisvertd 4mo agoMistral, ymmv https://mistral.ai/ https://mistral.ai/
- baalimago 4mo agoInternational customers might not be so keen on buying Anthropic, xAi or OpenAI products if they can be disrupted by the US government like this. The market within USA is surely not large enough to live up to the financial promises that keep this AI bubble growing. Does the White House want the AI bubble to pop..? Incredibly dumb move.
- chakintosh 4mo agoThis is DOD retaliation
- paulsutter 4mo ago$5-10T of the US economy already operates under ITAR or EAR export restrictions, there is nothing novel about this order. Aerospace, defense, semiconductors, telecom, advanced manufacturing equipment, etc SpaceX entire operation is under ITAR, because even though their rockets are not weapons, rockets are treated as weapons for export purposes
- throwaway85825 4mo agoThis is just the pretext to hard sell a government bailout.
- pandoro 4mo agoThis public-private drama will only get worse once the AI companies are public and most of the economy depend on their continued performance through their presence in everyone's retirement funds
- solenoid0937 4mo agoHN is mostly bitter cynics that think they understand AI safety better than the people that actually work on it.
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- _heimdall 4mo agoThere aren't many working on it though, definitely not enough given how many resources are going into building AI. AI safety at these labs are largely focused on surface level measures and aren't empowered to stop progress of the company. I was surprised when Anthropic initially held Mythos back from the public, but it was always a temporary measure to give controlled access rather than a pause to make meaningful improvements in AI safety.
- coderatlarge 4mo agoi wish Ilya and crew would chime in
- jnwatson 4mo agoThe only measures we see are the surface-level ones, because those are the only ones that sort of work. Alignment is a hard, possibly impossible problem. Anthropic's gambit is they luck upon a solution before the paperclip maximizers take over.
- _heimdall 4mo agoBut that's exactly my point. If they actually did legitimately fear that AGI or whatever the bar is could significantly impact all of humanity in a bad way they wouldn't be okay with saying "well this coat of paint sort of slows down the rust." Either its a dangerous technology or it isn't, and if it is then surface level fixes that kind of work is completely unacceptable.
- xg15 4mo agoBut that's the point. Assuming alignment is not possible and the risk caused by unaligned models is real, shouldn't then all effort go into preventing such models from existing in the first place? ...which would actually be an easy to solve problem unless you go out of your way to build such a model.
- j2bax 4mo agoNothing makes people want something more than telling them they can’t have it! My guess is they will start charging even more for it and make you sign a contract for access in the near future. The genius PR continues!
- DmitryO 4mo agoPigs are gonna be pigs. What a surprise
- Bluestein 4mo agoI am convinced Fable is being served under Opus 4.8 at the moment.-
- ftchd 4mo agoSo is Fable 5 so "good" that I barely noticed any difference when switching back to Opus 4.8, or is it because it's actually Fable 5 now?
- Bluestein 4mo agoI concur with all said by many on the distinct better quality of output and "feel" of Fable. Could indeed be placebo, of course.- Two additional things are clear: - This calls for even better ways, to objectively benchmark these systems - Such benchmarking will get harder and harder to do in any objective way, as these systems approach actual intelligence.-
- leobuskin 4mo agoIt's a pretty big difference in quality, definitely no. I'll miss Fable a lot, it was the first time when the model was able to catch up with my abandoned compiler project, and it did it extremely well, I have seen nothing like this so far.
- Bluestein 4mo agoMe neither. Concur.- How tangibly are the whims of some narcissistic senescent orange-haired macaque actually impairing and harming billions. Directly.-
- xnx 4mo agoAround the end of last year it became the cool/popular thing to use Anthropic models instead of OpenAI. With all the negative sentiment toward Anthropic, will that change again? What would be next? Local models? (seems impractical) Gemini?
- sscaryterry 4mo agoWhat a fucking joke.
- rcarmo 4mo agoThis is like the encryption/munitions bans from ancient times, all over again
- softwaredoug 4mo ago> We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass. Anthropic went from this is cybersecurity apocalypse to it’s no big deal, the model found trivial vulnerabilities.
- torginus 4mo agoDoes this mean that it's an effective business strategy to red-team your competitors models to find a jailbreak, then go to the govt. and ask them to ban them for you?
- idleprocess 4mo ago.
- StrLght 4mo agoLocal models are looking better and better each day. Still, not as capable, but you can be sure that nobody will take it away from you at a moment's notice.
- Quarrelsome 4mo agothat's some convenient timing, given SpaceX's successful IPO yesterday and anthropic's upcoming one.
- linsomniac 4mo agoI just had that same thought, came here to see if anyone else mentioned that. It's very on-brand for all the will they/won't they tariffs and oil-related war/peace announcements. I guess the tell-tale would be if they rescind this restriction next week, and especially if they flip/flop a few times. A great way to extract wealth out of the market if you know they're coming.
- karel-3d 4mo agowelcome back 90s crypto wars
- softwaredoug 4mo agoThe US already has export controls for model weights. It appears this sets a precedent for even API usage being restricted. That’s seems like an attempt at a broad precedent setting power grab for the administration to assert power over tech companies it doesn’t like. That seems like a fairly existential threat to tech companies ability to do business. 1 - https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/01/15/2025-00636/framework-for-artificial-intelligence-diffusion?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/01/15/2025-00...
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- 0xcb0 4mo agoIt's really sad. I've been using Fable for the days that it was out and it was, and is probably the greatest model I've ever used. It's doing sane choices on its own, it's fully autonomous work, has done enormous, has brought enormous additional value to my work. I could hand off the development of an Android app fully to the model. It worked for hours, came back, and the app was just perfect. It's sad to see a government of incompetent people, of war criminals, and liars to stop a commercial model while they fully rely and embrace the capitalist idea within their own selfishness. I really hope Anthropic can win this war, and I really hope that this government will soon be history and that all of these guys that are responsible for bringing madness over the world will have a fair end.
- snackerblues 4mo agoI'm glad that Android developers will continue to have a job for the foreseeable future and that RSI is forestalled. Those are more important to me than you getting a cheap slopapp
- HarHarVeryFunny 4mo agoI doubt logic applies here, but if the government message is that only US nationals can have access to non-nerfed Fable-class models, then better nerfing is not the solution, and logically the labs should not be able to employ non-nationals (e.g. Karpathy) since employees presumably do have, or may be suspected to have, non-nerfed access. At some point, as AI becomes more powerful (Anthropic themselves seem to think we're already there), then it should really be necessary to have US government clearance to work on the models, just as it is for defense work.
- resters 4mo agoThe government blocking access to frontier AI is the definition of AI dystopia. Let's hope Anthropic open sources Fable and teaches Donald Trump a lesson the way Deepseek did! If Anthropic keeps Fable closed source and plays the Authoritarian game, at least we have hope that an upcoming Deepseek model will surpass Fable before long.
- hmontazeri 4mo agoIs it just me or is this really bad for their ipo, insane valuations and data centers that are being built r n? This might end the hype…
- teshigahara 4mo agoAt least it bodes well for my continued employment if Opus is the best model they'll allow the public to use
- toasty228 4mo ago> First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case "omg these things are so so so dangerous, no one should ever build them, but anyways give me $7 trillion so we can build them and see for ourselves, it's OK because we're The Good Guys"
- solenoid0937 4mo agoWhat's with these naive Reddit-esque takes all over HN? It was "these models will one day be dangerous, but we think it's possible to build them safely, doing more good than harm."
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- z3c0 4mo agoThat might be an even more naive take. Can you show me one space, historically, in any industry, where a company climbed to the top of a market solely on altruistic intentions?
- ApolloFortyNine 4mo agoSomeone disagreeing with you doesn't make it reddit. Two days ago Antheopic's CEO made a lengthy post calling for most government oversight on AI. He even mentions support export controls, even though he wanted them applied only to chops [1]. Anthropic literally asked for this, though they might have hoped it wouldn't be used against themselves. [1] https://darioamodei.com/post/policy-on-the-ai-exponential https://darioamodei.com/post/policy-on-the-ai-exponential
- solenoid0937 4mo agoYou didn't read your own link. He called for a transparent testing process prior to releasing frontier LLMs into the wild. Export controls on chips to slow down China, which makes sense if you believe that chips are the way to superintelligence and the PRC will not be the best steward of it.
- akouri 4mo ago“We can’t determine which of our users is a US citizen” Logical next move — “we’re requiring ID.gov identity verification to use our services” It’s all about spying on users, Don’t let anybody kid you into thinking it’s anything else
- tribune 4mo agoThey could not have bought better advertising
- OtomotO 4mo agoGot an email that I can cancel if this doesn't work for me. As I only signed up to check out the fable, I just did this. "Refund of €96.84 processed. Expect it in 3–10 business days." Let's see how long it takes. Funny that it never takes this long to be deducted from my card.
- greenchair 4mo agoThe ending reads like a petulant child.
- solenoid0937 4mo agoEverything this admin does reads like it comes from a petulant child with far too much power.
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- submeta 4mo agoFirst they came for the Chinese (can’t buy GPUs), then all of non US citizens (can’t use latest models). What’s next, we can’t use encryption? Cybersecurity tools? Access to latest publications in science?
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- gcanyon 4mo agoTypical ham-handed action by this administration. The words "it's complicated" have never crossed their mind. This restriction ignores reality and will slow Anthropic's development of advanced models, which is maybe the point? It comes down to whether we ascribe incompetence or malice to this action.
- pascal-maker 4mo agoHonestly speaking, this is an old trick by the government. They see AI (LLM) as a nuclear weapon which, in my opinion, outside of hallucinations, malicious prompt injections, and AI psychosis, is not an actual threat. The reason I think Anthropic is doing this—preventing distillation and making distillation way harder for China—is that if you geoblock this and have strict rules around proxies, it works. I can't imagine Dario Amodei not knowing the consequences of his own policies. As for open-source models, have you ever tried a distilled Claude Sonnet model (lordx64/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-Claude-4.7-Opus-Reasoning-Distilled-IQ4_XS-GGUF)? I did via Hugging Face, and they are quite shit; they are very slow and eat up your VRAM. Open-source models have a long way to go to catch up to closed models. So everyone saying we should use open-source models—that will never happen. For example, macOS is closed-source and Linux is open-source. Which one has a greater market share? macOS does, because of its privacy and security. "Let's wait and see how this works out. This sucks for enterprises and customers outside of the USA, but with a policy like 'America First,' you can expect this from any president in the White House.
- oars 4mo agoThis is another historical moment in AI.
- cambaceres 4mo agoIt could just be that the US realized that it's better if only US companies have access to this model due to how powerful software developers in general get with it. US companies will get an insane advantage due to how much faster and better you will create software. I've felt like a software god this week.
- binyu 4mo ago> We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. "small number", "previously known"+"minor"... they are trying hard to characterize this as harmless. > These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass. Ah so now they are admitting that this is all about hype after all.
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- girfan 4mo agoGo open models!
- jMyles 4mo agoThe whole idea that signals emitted on a network is an "export" in the same way that shipping precursor materials to make a weapon (the actual activity this questionable government power was granted to curtail) is an "export" is just totally odious. If I make some statement, and post it on the internet, and someone downloads it in another country, I haven't exported anything. I haven't _moved_ anything. It's the same mythology that casts copying of bytes as tantamount to stealing; it tells a lie about the nature of physical matter as contrasted with the nature of information. So, OK, let's say this is so - that this activity is not a legitimate target of the export control - why doesn't Anthropic just tell the US government to pound sand, and that they'll choose to ignore this directive? Is it just because they fear violent reprisal from agents of the state? And if so - if the reason that we tolerate censorship and damage to the internet, a global collaborative project specifically designed to evolve above the whim of any legacy state is that the actors in question fear violence - haven't we departed democratic notions of decision-making in favor of a "might makes right" approach? I'm not convinced that the US government can ever embody (or has ever embodied) the republic framework set forth in its founding documents, but at a minimum, for it to do so, and for it to be constrained to those functions, its constituents need to somehow overcome this fear of telling the government, "no, we won't do that. See you in court."
- GuB-42 4mo agoIt reminds me of the situation with Red Bull. Red Bull marketing revolved around making it look like a drug. It "gives you wings", there is that crazy thing called taurine, they even "hooked" kids with free cans, the mythical thing drugs dealers do. In reality, taurine is nothing special, it is high in caffeine but no more than a strong coffee, and its real energy come from the massive amount of sugar it contains. Marketing aside, that makes it an unremarkable soft drink. But their marketing prompted some countries to ban it, at least for a time. France is one of them. Fun fact, when they finally legalized it, they introduced a heavy tax on energy drinks, defined as soft drinks high in caffeine. These drinks are expensive and the government wanted its share. In response Red Bull silently reduced the caffeine content to avoid paying, marking Red Bull even milder than it once was.
- angry_octet 4mo agoThis is all a Trump machine grift. He first tried with Hegseth and the DoD, but they didn't care because DoD is 0.1% of their market share. So now Trump is doing classic standover man tactics with more natsec equities bs. Remember, it is all a grift.
- danscan 4mo agoHow does the directive bound what it applies to? I imagine they could be in compliance by renaming the model
- lunatuna 4mo agoIs the death of the AI race in the US? Did we already reach the end? Peak AI. If so this will kill the speculative hype on data centres and GPUs. It will be interesting to see how the market absorbs and reacts to this.
- peterdsharpe 4mo agoDeath of the AI race? This is the starting gun.
- crobbler 4mo agoStarting gun to go where, exactly? If it's "any model better than Opus 4.8" the destination won't be allowed to exist.
- grahammccain 4mo agoI think my issue here, is that there is some dislike from each other from the administration and anthropic and it’s hard to figure out what part that is playing in this vs really there are bio and cyber security problems. I think personally I would like the models so I can keep building and it’s super upsetting it got ripped away like this.
- yaman12 4mo agoMarketing stunt? Punishment for not bending the knee? Preventing access by the Hoi Polloi to the models that level the economic playing field? These are not mutually exclusive scenarios. Like the wheel and fire real AI breaks pre-existing systems. I jsut want to use Fable to improve my life and my code. I’ve tried them all and Fable delivered in a way that Gemini, ChatGPT, and the large open models didn’t. I wish I could take a vacation until Fable returns or OpenAI/Google lives up to it’s potential.
- jp0001 4mo agoIt's time to make truly open source frontier models that people can run at home. Code is free speech. We've been through this with encryption algorithms in the past.
- antoniojtorres 4mo agoSmall ask!
- anymouse123456 4mo agoPrediction: This ban will be used to force hardware and OS-level Digital ID down our throats as a "safety measure" to ensure people are "Citizens" before accessing AI technology. Whatever last vestiges of privacy we still enjoy will be taken from us with this as the excuse.
- loopmonster 4mo agoWelcome to the UK, enjoy your stay
- anonygoat 4mo agoIf it were to remain export controlled, it would probably not be accessible direct to consumers. Other export controlled technologies (aerospace, nuclear propulsion) are only worked with by companies that spend a lot of time and money to prove that there are only US citizens working there.
- anymouse123456 4mo agoThat's a great point. I'm probably wrong, but I still don't think they'll waste this opportunity to figure out how to cram digital id through. Perhaps that will be how they will make it more broadly available.
- NickNaraghi 4mo agoOn the meta, it’s wonderful to see so much disagreement in perspective on the top comments in this thread. Brave new world.
- catigula 4mo agoObvious Anthropic reaping, Anthropic sowing scenario. I think the investor cash needs to dry up. They’re not going to let doomsday technology be released to the market. Sorry.
- vld_chk 4mo agoThis sounds very cliche, but even if the entire story ends up as another TACO; we are in historical infection point of official government AI race. It is hard to count how many “red lines” were crossed last night. Government shutting down AI model it doesn’t like? Government shoots into barely profitable 1T startup, whose entire trajectory and, in essence, survival depends on commercial success of that model? Access to AI model being governed by citizenship, likely verified through rigor ID checks? Very little doubt that China will follow this suit. Next US will pass their bills to ban Chinese open source and local models. Chinese will follow. It doesn’t matter: US did just a vendetta; felt into “marketing hype” or there are legit security concerns of national security level. In the precedent-ish world of post-truth “whataboutism” we just crossed a big milestone mark which will hunt us for years.
- bfrog 4mo agoWild. A great book by Clive had this exact sort of scenario where an AI so powerful it could break into any system. In typical Cussler fashion there was some Indiana Jones/Laura Croft mysticism around it but still… The modern world is a wild place!
- jakobw77 4mo agoUSA_RESIDENT=true is back lol
- gaflo 4mo agoCynical take: If their model was so groundbreaking they wouldn't have to involve the government for their marketing campaign. You would notice shit breaking everywhere; oh wait, how many days has it been since the last supply chain attack? What was advertised with Mythos was already possible with 2024 LLMs if you had some basic hacking knowledge.
- anon291 4mo agoThis is a basic infringement on freedom of speech. There is no law in Congress barring such models. This is an unjust executive action.
- numlock86 4mo agoThis is some good marketing/news for Chinese models. I see the US government is making a lot of decisions which are in favor for China lately. Probably a smart move given the current political climate.
- stephencoyner 4mo agoIf this ban remains in place, it could mean that Anthropic is forced to remove its non-US citizen employees from frontier research. How can you do work on a model if you’re not allowed to use it? If we take this further, it could mean that every company that uses AI tools will put a premium on hiring US citizens, since they’re the only ones that can use the best models. This would transform the tech industry. Then finance, bio-tech, legal, etc. I doubt it survives in this form, though. The compliance burden of segregating half your engineering org by citizenship is enormous, and the competitive cost of complying is exactly what would generate pressure to carve out exceptions.
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- vslira 4mo agoThis ban in particular is probably the wrong decision, but now we're in the timeline where the USG is actively involved in AI model deployment which I think is a positive development within Amodei's beliefs. And I say this unironically and without judgement.
- softwaredoug 4mo agoNo this is bad What you want is a neutral regulatory framework that markets can plan against. Not random executive action that can easily be abused.
- vslira 4mo agoYes it is bad, but if you believe some version of the most extreme forecasts of this tech then a government paying attention and doing some stupid things may be better than one that doesn't pay attention and is letting it rip. I'm not saying I believe that or that Amodei thinks this decision is reasonable.
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- j45 4mo agoThis is wild. Also a clear example of the cloud being someone else's computer.
- ramon156 4mo agoAnthropic, you're very welcome in the EU!
- tlogan 4mo agoI wonder what is ETA here. Also, how are they going to enforce this? I assume they will require you to send them a copy of your passport. Then they will enable your account. And you have state that only be used by you. Are there any online identity systems that do something like this (verifying citizenship)?
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- amai 4mo agoAnthropic could move its headquarters to Europe. Just saying...
- Manheim 4mo agoThere are thousands of comments here, so I apologize if this is just a repeat of what others already have stated. However. I want to say that this move by the US Gov will have a profound impact on how Europe will be dealing with US based companies in the future - including Anthropic, OpenAI and Google. I am totally convinced, as a European that this will prove over time to be a turning point in the history of European relationship with the US, and US' long term soft power and position. Of all the stupidity the US gov. has done, this is one of the dumbest move they've done. It will hurt the relations between Europe and The US, it will hurt the economy and it will hurt progress. The world will not be the same after this.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago"This is also why Anthropic has required 30-day retention of customer data with Fable-a policy change that carries real costs for us with customers, but that allows us to research and mitigate jailbreaks." What if US government demands the retained data, or another party requests it through legal process
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- axeno 4mo agoThe US Government looooves to overreach where its not wanted. As someone in cybersecurity Fable was absolutely utterly useless. I would be shocked if there is any credibility behind this 'vulnerability'. It seems Anthropic agrees.
- blurbleblurble 4mo agoIt's wild to me how we can have a whole conversation about this and just completely sidestep how incredibly racist this directive is, just how much it ties into the Trump administration's ongoing campaign of kidnapping melanated people. This is the same administration that denied one of the top FIFA refs a visa because they're Somali asking an AI company to gatekeep access to their on citizenship at a time when they're in the middle of attempting to challenge birthright citizenship and ramping up attempts to revoke naturalized citizenship to an unprecedented rate. Here they are attempting to throw "AI safety policy" into the same cursed pot and we're just head in the sand about that part
- blurbleblurble 4mo agoI'm unsettled that we're all just glossing over how utterly racist this demand was to its core. This is the same administration that's in the middle of trying ramp up revocation of natural citizenship, that's kidnapping huge numbers of melanated families in a viscerally cruel way, that's set on repealing birthright citizenship, that wants to use proof of citizenship as a voting suppression tactic all while making it more and more dangerous to register that proof in the first place. They want to throw AI safety into the same cursed pot of bullshit? Props to Anthropic for refusing. OpenAI already has the mechanism in place since years ago. Let's see if they comply.
- r33b33 4mo agoIf you need models beyond what we have available now, you are just greedy and lazy. There is a point where its good enough and we should stop.
- Luckyemmet 4mo agoWow didn't see that coming at all.Lmao
- gtewallace 4mo agoNow word is Amazon initiated this. Amazon, the company with $50B invested in OpenAI as it prepares for IPO.
- pascal-maker 4mo agohttps://archive.is/20260613202511/https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/amazon-ceos-talks-with-u-s-officials-triggered-crackdown-on-anthropic-models-dcc90578 https://archive.is/20260613202511/https://www.wsj.com/tech/a...
- melon18 4mo agoAnthropic’s defense in depth approach sounds solid, but the government clearly doesn't trust it. Transparency here is awful from both sides.
- rubyevans109 4mo agoThey claim other models can do the same thing, so why single out Fable 5? Feels like selective enforcement or a political move more than real security.
- Willish42 4mo agoI'm thankful I tested Fable via my subscription before the cutoff. To me, it seemed like at least part of the improvements were in how it broke up work for a "one-shot" style prompt, but I was very impressed at how quickly and effectively it produced better results than Opus 4.8 at a handful of real-world use cases I threw at it from my own work. Another interesting finding which I've heard others corroborate is that even though the per-token cost was higher, it seemed to orchestrate the work efficiently and burn through fewer tokens, roughly evening out to approximately the same per-prompt token usage as Opus.
- jackson281 4mo agoIf every jailbreak shuts down a model, no one's going to bother building safer ones. This hurts the companies trying to be responsible.
- owentbrown 4mo agoI've been thinking about how this will play out. I think there's a Lindy Effect. The longer the ban remains in place, the longer it's likely to remain in place.