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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran
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- yodsanklai 7mo agoNothing like a war to boost your popularity just before the elections
- AbstractH24 7mo agoOnly I’m not exactly sure what constituency will support this war. He wasn’t even smart enough to leave America open to attack, manufacture a pretext, and rally people around the flag like 9/11 Heck, there was even a better case in Korea & Vietnam. Even Venezuela. What’s the case this is America’s problem?
- happosai 7mo agoThe Jesus people love it when Americas army support Israel The racists love it when Muslims get killed
- PsylentKnight 7mo agoHaving grown up deep in the Bible belt, I can say that there's often a lot of overlap between the Jesus people and the various -ists Bigotry has been a big part of the Moral Majority's platform for decades for a reason - it works on that demographic I have an armchair theory about one possible contributing factor These are two of the most fundamental beliefs of evangelicals and they don't make much sense when you put them side-by-side: 1. God is the ultimate progenitor and prototype of love 2. God wants to torture a LOT of people forever, some of whom you may know personally and may be all appearances be decent people This creates a certain amount of cognitive dissonance Rather than reconsider those beliefs (which may result in your own everlasting torment), it's far easier to resolve that discomfort by dehumanizing non-Christians. Maybe they're actually really rotten people that deserve to be tortured
- ponector 7mo agoFunny how Iran is America's problem so much but Ukraine is not, despite signed security assurance to the Ukrainian people.
- bdangubic 7mo agoIsrael is in charge of America and they did noy sign any assurances with Ukraine
- yoyohello13 7mo agoThis is about Religion. Hegseth is the 'Holy warrior for God' type. If there is a pretense to kill Muslims Trump and him will take it.
- nsvd2 7mo agoIf a democracy is meaningfully created in Iran I will consider that a huge win for Trump and it would certainly make me more sympathetic to his party. To be clear, I don't think the chances of that happening are high.
- sharadov 7mo agoYeah right and democracy was created in Iraq and Afghanistan as well!
- butterbomb 7mo ago> Only I’m not exactly sure what constituency will support this war. The remaining neocons who have surprisingly managed to weasel their way back into influence.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> Nothing like a war to boost your popularity just before the elections If he pulls off a regime change, even a Delcy-style swaparoo, he'll get it, and arguably not undeservedly. It will ultimately come down to Iran's capacity to inflict casualties on American forces.
- philk10 7mo agosomehow I dont think regime change is gonna happen before the midterms or even before 2028
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> I dont think regime change is gonna happen before the midterms I agree. But to be fair, I would have said the same thing about Venezuela a year ago. Maybe the term should be a regime slip.
- donkeybeer 7mo agoI think he meant another regime not the Iranians.
- techblueberry 7mo agoWe didn’t change the regime in Venezuela though right? Just decapitated it? No one’s thinking America cant succeed at the killing partz. It’s what comes after that people are worried about.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> We didn’t change the regime in Venezuela though right? Practically speaking, we changed it. The foreign and energy policies we care about changed. The notion that you need to wholesale clean shop to qualify as regime change is misguided and counterproductive [1]. (On the other end of the spectrum, the fact that we kept the Japanese Emperor on his throne doesn't mean we didn't change the Japanese regime.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Ba%27athification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Ba%27athification
- ekianjo 7mo agoYou sure? Seems like a war for no reason is hardly going to get popular support.
- nickthegreek 7mo agoFrom a man who campaigned on No New Wars.
- awnird 7mo agoAmericans are bloodthirsty freaks. Killing people is always popular with Americans.
- andrewflnr 7mo agoYou're acting like people are rational. It's just about power. Appearing strong appeals to the apes inside the humans. And no one is more in touch with his inner ape than Trump.
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- jmyeet 7mo agoMilitary action in Iran is deeply unpopular, being supported by just 27% of US adult citizens [1]. As an aside, Congress literally doesn't care what voters think [2]. The pearl-clutching about this from Congressional Democrats isn't about policy but process, with the likes of Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries saying Congress should authorize this action, not that it shouldn't happen. I'm interested in what makes empires tick, what their basis of power is. Spain in the colonial era was propped up by looting silver from Central and South America, for example. The British Empire is what many (including me) like to call the "drug dealer empire". First tobacco then later opium. Any claims that we didn't know about the health risks of tobacco are complete BS (eg [3]). Circling back to your point, the US is what I like to call the "arms dealer empire". WW1 and WW2 massively enriched the United States. NATO is essentially a protection racket for Europe and the price is, you guessed it, buying arms from the United States. And the next Budget has proposed increasing "defense" spending from an already eye-popping $1 trillion to $1.5 trillion [4]. Where does that money go? Arms, weapons programs, defense contractors, the ultra-wealthy. War is good for business even though it's unpopular. [1]: https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/54158-few-americans-support-usa-military-action-against-iran-majority-think-it-is-likely-february-20-23-2026-economist-yougov-poll https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/54158-few-americans-suppor... [2]: https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/ https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/ [3]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15198996/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15198996/ [4]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-proposes-massive-increase-in-2027-defense-spending-to-1-5-trillion-to-build-dream-military https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-proposes-massive...
- sharadov 7mo agoWar is America's business and business is good.
- Bender 7mo agoNothing like a war to boost your popularity just before the elections Congress will not let him have a third term regardless of what he says or thinks.
- sph 7mo agoCongress seems to be quite toothless lately.
- Bender 7mo agoTrue but they will have a hard time ignoring the 22nd amendment of the US constitution and it would be an easy move to remove him from the election process which a majority of the states themselves could do without opposition.
- 13415 7mo agoThey might try the good old Putin trick, have a puppet elected on behalf of Trump and let Trump have another high-ranking position (e.g. Vice President) and hold the real power. Trump can still do most of campaigning, and there is also ample opportunity for election fraud.
- Svoka 7mo agoIn russia they had 2 terms limit as well. Putin found a quick work-around by basically running through Proxy. I can see JD being a figurehead with very public Trump support.
- yoyohello13 7mo ago> Congress will let him... Lol, 'let'. Whose going to stop him?
- Bender 7mo agoEach state can decide to not list him in the election process. Some red states for sure would but plenty would not including a few red and purple states.
- squidbeak 7mo agoNothing like a war to push Epstein out of the headlines.
- DANmode 7mo agoAlmost every lever has been pulled.
- malshe 7mo agoYou really think the elections will happen
- ActorNightly 7mo agoThe popularity aspect is irrelevant. Trump can literally do all the things that the epstein files accuse him of doing, right on camera in front of everyone, and Americans will still vote for him all because he isn't a "woke" black woman.
- DANmode 7mo agobecause it’s more comfortable than admitting the people who run the show are scumbags. because it’s more comfortable than admitting they were wrong.
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- karim79 7mo agoOh bless, caring about civilians! How about the more than 16,000 children murdered and about 4000 child amputees. Yes, it's super reassuring that you care about civilians.
- hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 7mo agoWe are already seeing civilians killed: https://aje.news/p4rw7y?update=4345551 https://aje.news/p4rw7y?update=4345551 [Five killed in Israeli attack on elementary school in Iran]
- thomassmith65 7mo agoIt's the Iranian people who will be the final judge of how much civilian death is acceptable. If so many Iranian civilians die that this new revolution fails, then not only will regular Iranians continue to suffer, but all the deaths in the protests and these bombings will have been completely pointless. If few enough Iranians are affected that they persist, then it may well be worth it.
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- YZF 7mo agoEDIT: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-february-28-2026/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-february-28-2026/
- csomar 7mo agoCrypto going down while Gold going up (on XAUt) suggests the market thinks this war is not going to go necessarily to the US/Israel advantage.
- dlahoda 7mo agowhy? is not crypto going down on any "multinational"* war? *war amid thai and kambodgia is not "multinational" kind of, just example of not any
- csomar 7mo agoThere wasn't a war between the Siam and Khmer, just some clashes plus their conflict is irrelevant to the rest of the world. I am not aware of crypto going down during that time? If I remember correctly it was close to ATH.
- breppp 7mo agoas iran is a major player in crypto money laundering then it could price its fall https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602279443 https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602279443
- Aliabid94 7mo agoGotta derail any peace talks!
- abdusco 7mo agoCan't have Gaza have relief for a second!
- yonisto 7mo agoLOL. The US is on it too. So what you have to say for yourself now?
- piping_pony 7mo agoWhat peace talks? The ones where for over a year Iran refused to deescalate their nuclear war program and the now Europe range ballistic missiles?
- RobertoG 7mo agoYou are lying, they have been trying to avoid this war in any possible way. But Israel wanted this war before they lost the support of the USA population (that it's happening fast) or they have a less accommodating USA president.
- seydor 7mo agoThankfully the stock market is closed
- rvz 7mo agoThat always happens before an expected event or attack on another country.
- throwawa1 7mo agoCasino.
- throwawa1 7mo agoNothing more important than dow 50,000
- throwawa1 7mo ago* "dollars"
- pear01 7mo agoSpeaking of markets... Polymarket was trading yes on this happening at quite interesting odds, "yes" was trading at around 30¢ or better over the next few days just a few hours ago... I was quite surprised to see it that low... and also to find it is inaccessible for trading if a US national. Just looking at the platform it seems predominantly US driven so I gather many people are willfully attempting to breach the ToS (and probably lie to the IRS) when using it...
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- johnbarron 7mo agoAt this moment, dont know what looks more terrifying. This war the US just got itself into, or the contents of the unreleased Epstein files...
- popalchemist 7mo agoThey must be commensurate, because one is meant to drown out the other.
- ReptileMan 7mo agoSeems that they are behaving intelligently - pummeling the IRGC. If the IRGC fails the public will probably have a bit of small talk with the regime officials and functionaries while the regular army and police will probably look vague amused from the sides.
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- johnbarron 7mo ago>> Seems that they are behaving intelligently You seem to have missed the little detail the US is now at war. There was a deal with Iran, but Trump throw it away because was closed by Obama and Israel did not like it...
- ourguile 7mo agoNYT gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/02/28/world/iran-strikes-trump?unlocked_article_code=1.PlA.b2BO.F9q4jfR1U-QI&smid=nytcore-android-share https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/02/28/world/iran-strikes-t...
- riffraff 7mo agowell, they were one week away from a nuke, as usual.
- throwawa1 7mo agosince 1992!
- wafflemaker 7mo agoThere's an Israeli newspaper from 1984 saying it's a month away. Definitely more than a month passed between '84 and '92. Btw. They ARE not that far away from the bomb, after they enriched uranium as a consequence of Trump (in his first term) cancelling the Obama treaty. But they ARE a theocracy and Ajatollah Chamenei released an order (fatwa) forbidding Iran from obtaining and using an a-bomb. The new religious leader might change the religious law tho. I mean the one that comes after Chamenei becomes a martyr. Funny how, knowing just a little bit more, it all really looks like nonsense created for illiterate, just to take their attention off of Epstein Pedophile Scandal.
- throwawa1 7mo ago[flagged]
- flyinglizard 7mo agoThe concept of nuclear brinkmanship is part of accepted WMD doctrine. A country can maintain a fixed short interval away from weaponization for decades. It is widely accepted that Iran does have a military nuclear program; the amount of material enriched, the enrichment level achieved and the hardening of the involved facilities are an open testament to that (there are many other intelligence signals that we are not privy to).
- riffraff 7mo agoI think you're missing the point: a constant justification for bombing Iran is that they are one month, one week, or a couple months from building a nuclear bomb. If that was true, obviously they would have built one buy now. Being one year away from building would be non-urgency inducing. The constant lying about timelines does not imply Iran does not enrich uranium, but, as you remember, after the last bombing the leaders of the USA and Israel said they had completely obliterated Iran's nuclear program. Except, apparently After six months they are one week away from a nuke again. This seems to indicate the USA should be bombing Iran every few weeks, forever, just in case they get a bit faster next time. Except, when we don't have any scandal or other crisis going on, then Iran does not seem to be getting a nuke quickly. I wonder why.
- HNisCIS 7mo agoCurrently an absolute shit load of C17s landing in Germany after leaving the PG region. I guess we know which country finally caved and let the US use them for whatever fresh conquest this is.
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- fjfaase 7mo agoGermany is one of the most pro-Israel countries and known for using excessive police voilance against pro-Palestina protestors and strongly denies that there is a genocide going on in Gaza.
- etyhhgfff 7mo agoAnd its not allowed to film the police crimes. They can lawfully demand to turn your camera off, because of privacy laws. Welcome to Germany.
- api 7mo agoWhat a gift to the deeply unpopular Iranian regime. Nothing galvanizes support for whatever-you-have more than an external threat. Think about it. If someone actually bombed or invaded the continental US you'd have woke libs cheering for Donald Trump. The Iranian regime may fall, but it'll be like Iraq. We'll get something like ISIS out of it, or worse, and the place will be a complete basketcase of civil war for 25+ years. Or we'll be there for 25 years in another "forever war." Bravo.
- Acrobatic_Road 7mo agoDo you have any better ideas or is it your position that evil dictators get to rule forever?
- beeflet 7mo agohow about a negotiating a peace deal between the Israel and Iran wherein they both agree to give up nuclear weapons and allow for IAEA inspections
- wafflemaker 7mo ago>Do you have any better ideas or is it your position that evil dictators get to rule forever? If president Trump doesn't declare martial law, start a civil war, military coup or change the constitution of the USA, he will stop ruling in 3 years. We can wait that long.
- HNisCIS 7mo agoThings were starting to come undone naturally then we decided to 3rd party the whole thing Do you think the people fighting ICE in the streets of Minneapolis would welcome a joint Chinese+North Korean decapitation strike on Washington and cruise missiles flying over Portland?
- api 7mo agoThe Iranian people overthrow their government and establish what they want? My point is that an outside force coming in will help the current regime and/or the ideas behind it. Even if the current regime falls, democratic or pro-Western ideas in Iran will be seen as aligned with the invading force and rejected by many people who might otherwise be open to them. Is there anyone who likes being invaded by a foreign power, ever?
- kome 7mo agoshameful for the west, and a tragedy. leave iran alone. defending the mullahs wasn't exactly on my bingo card, but here we are... please, can somebody in the US or Israel have an "are we the baddies" epiphany?
- dismalaf 7mo agohttps://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/iran-protests-death-toll-disappeared-bodies-mass-burials-30000-dead https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/i... > defending the mullahs wasn't exactly on my bingo card, but here we are... Propaganda is a hell of a drug.
- m90 7mo agoSo how do the recurring airstrikes help the protesters?
- mschuster91 7mo agoEasy: decapitate the leadership of the military, IRGC, Basij and let the revolution stand a chance.
- JasonADrury 7mo agoExcept not, the Iranian revolutionary system is very much designed around the desire to be able to rapidly replace people. The list of targets for a decapitation strike might just be way too long to be feasible.
- mschuster91 7mo agoKill enough that the rest decides to flee for Moscow rather than risk getting lynched.
- JasonADrury 7mo ago
- epsters 7mo agoTrump launching bunker-busters on his midterm chances. Which depending on how bad it goes, potentially means impeachment and prison. Whatever it is the Israelis have on him, it must be good. Works out great for Netanyahu though as is customary. He can be PM for a while longer and stave off his own impending trial and imprisonment. If this goes well for Israel, he might even get that pardon that Trump campaigned for tirelessly.
- weatherlite 7mo agoI don't see Trump in prison, that's just not in his DNA.
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- drivebyhooting 7mo agoPlease, can the administration do something useful for America instead of… whatever this is? Can we follow the age old adage WWJD? What would (Xi) Jinping do?
- _zagj 7mo ago> What would (Xi) Jinping do? Make himself dictator for life and purge his party of dissenters?
- drivebyhooting 7mo agoYes and then what? Bankrupt his empire by getting into global wars? Yeah sure.
- karmakurtisaani 7mo agoBut also expand through trade and renewables, rather than war and oil. Much nuance, wow.
- Freedom2 7mo agoLuckily that can never happen in America.
- danny_codes 7mo agoSure it can’t. History suggests democracy is fleeting and unusual.
- ivraatiems 7mo agoI was discussing this with a friend today. It just feels like there's no point to these actions. Not in the sense of "I don't ideologically agree with our decision to do this," but in the sense of, "I do not see how this accomplishes any ideological or practical goal." What are they trying for? Regime change in Iran? No more Iranian nuclear program? There barely was one before. Keeping Israel safe? It's been an open secret for years that Iran is not a real threat to Israel, because any action it took against Israel would be existential for Iran and its leadership. A US president who vocally and repeatedly promised he would not start new conflicts keeps starting them, and there's not even a reason. It's infuriating. I have my partisan opinions, but that should not be a partisan statement! It's just disturbing!
- SpicyLemonZest 7mo agoIt's regime change this time. Trump published a message calling for all Iranian military forces to surrender and the Iranian people to take over the government.
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- StephiePirelli 7mo agoIslamophobia is unacceptable and should not be allowed in any community.
- RiverStone 7mo ago[flagged]
- Revanche1367 7mo agoYes. Just because you like the saying doesn’t mean it isn’t.
- optimalsolver 7mo agoMy previous comment: The most salient lesson of the post-Cold War era: Get nukes or die trying. A nation's relationship to other states, up to and especially including superpowers, is completely different once it's in the nuclear club. Pakistan can host bin Laden for years and still enjoy US military funding. North Korea can literally fire missiles over South Korea and Japan and get a strongly-worded letter of condemnation, along with a generous increase in foreign aid. We can know, for a fact, that the 2003 Iraq War coalition didn't actually believe their own WMD propaganda. If they thought that Saddam could vaporize the invasion force in a final act of defiance, he'd still be in power today. Putin knows perfectly well that NATO isn't going to invade Russia, so he can strip every last soldier from the Baltic borders and throw them into the Ukrainian meat grinder. Aside from deterring attack, it also discourages powerful outside actors from fomenting revolutions. The worry becomes who gets the nukes if the central government falls. Iran's assumption seems to have been that by permanently remaining n steps away from having nukes (n varying according to the current political and diplomatic climate), you get all the benefits of being a nuclear-armed state without the blowback of going straight for them. But no, you need to have the actual weapons in your arsenal, ready to use at a moment's notice. My advice for rulers, especially ones on the outs with major geopolitical powers: Pour one out for Gaddafi, then hire a few hundred Chinese scientists and engineers and get nuked up ASAP.
- Ekaros 7mo agoAnti-nuclear proliferation should now be treated as crime against humanity. Nuclear proliferation is only way to ensure world peace. Every single country should get nukes and capability to use them against each others. And be fully ready to do it.
- Moldoteck 7mo agoLet's bring this idea to an ultimate level- each country to have a warhead able to wipe everything, sort of project Sundial... After all if your country is too small, it may be worthless to have nukes that probably would be destroyed by neighbors on launch...
- athrowaway3z 7mo agoI have to wonder how much of this is driven by Israel accounting for the risk of less favorable US relationship in the future. Pre-emptive violence; not even justified with a narrative of escalating threat. Bleak for anybody who knows their history.
- e40 7mo agoAnd it happened on a Friday night. Best time of the week for the least news impact.
- baq 7mo agoIn the great age of grift wars ideally last no more than the time between Friday market close and Sunday futures open.
- weatherlite 7mo agoIt was Trump or his immediate environmetn who asked Israeli to attack Iran first (better optics); Israel would have never done this without American approval. Did Israel want this to happen though ? Yes. But so did the Americans. I guess the negotiations went badly.
- viking123 7mo ago"Negotiations"
- seydor 7mo agoThe US has moved half of its navy in the region, and there are doubts about its support?
- replooda 7mo ago"Let's do it now, when they'd still move half their navy there for us, rather than in the future, when they might not."
- stevenjgarner 7mo agoPaywall : https://archive.ph/M6Ywb https://archive.ph/M6Ywb
- tomhow 7mo agoLatest update of the page archived here: https://archive.ph/VqSqj https://archive.ph/VqSqj
- bdangubic 7mo agowe sure dodged a bullet in 2024 elections and elected the right people to stop all these senseless wars that were one of the cornerstones of the election campaign
- throwawa1 7mo ago[flagged]
- bdangubic 7mo agothey do when you hear for months that we need to elect people that will stop the senseless wars - then they do matter
- throwawa1 7mo agoWho do you vote for exactly? The government is compromised by Israeli blackmail. You vote against Israel you end up dead (JFK, Charlie Kirk) or blackmailed.
- torlok 7mo agoThe ICE killings, deportations of US citizens, and the general anti-US sentiments around the world show that lesser evil exists, and that not voting can have consequences. It's a shame that it took all this for the Democrats to even begin the dialog about Israeli money in politics, and perhaps they may even realize that nobody wants to vote for pro-war neoliberals.
- nielsbot 7mo agoThe Dem establishment, informed by consultants, loves to go after "gettable" Republicans. Their theory is "Any 'rational' left-leaning voter will have no choice but to vote Dem!" But what they never seem to consider is that moving to the right can indeed disgust some portion of the base who instead will refuse to turn out.
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- 2001zhaozhao 7mo agoI can't shake the thought that Claude is quite possibly helping to conduct these attacks. Maybe it's a good thing that Anthropic will no longer be associated with the US government's attacks in another six months.
- idle_zealot 7mo agoI still cannot understand what "Claud helping to conduct attacks" could possibly mean. Like, they asked an LLM to use tool calls to look up strategic info, maps, and military asset inventory and then write a plan for where to point the missiles? How is a text generator helpful here, whose job could it make meaningfully easier in the chain of command?
- moxifly7 7mo agoTarget selection? "Here is 10 petabytes of signals intelligences, you can run queries, give me the hierarchy of my enemy, the house address of anyone within 3 degrees of separation of their leadership or weapons industry, the next house address they're likely to be at if trying to flee my strikes, and the time they're all most likely to be there. Then schedule drone strikes on the houses."
- idle_zealot 7mo agoI would not expect that prompt to work unless there's a fairly trivial query that can be crafted to give the right answer when run against the relevant datastore. If there is a query like that I would hope you have a guy on staff well-versed enough to know that and just run it himself.
- anigbrowl 7mo agoGetting publicly kicked to the curb by the Trump admin mere hours before it starts another war is probably the best thing that could have happened to Anthropic. Not sure how well OpenAI's parachuting in is gonna look with hindsight. I have a feeling we won't have to wait that long to find out.
- throwawa1 7mo agohttps://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/399731975432728576 https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/399731975432728576
- thomasingalls 7mo agolet's try to keep to credible sources here eh
- big-and-small 7mo agoJoke? Or someone really dont know it's his account?
- chrisjj 7mo ago/i
- Sam6late 7mo agoThey have chosen the weekend not to disturb the stock markets. They may pull that off when they get inside support as the corruption of the regime has made it unpopular with business class and the middle class. Trump may achieve another 'Venezuela' short war.
- anigbrowl 7mo agoI'm very skeptical that external attacks bring about a resurgence of domestic Iranian protest resulting in a tidy regime change. I think the downward lurch of BTC tells you how it's going to go, because Trump's mouth is writing checks others are going to have to cash and there's a lot of contradictions involved. How is he guaranteeing immunity to members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard if they do nothing? Likewise, if he's telling the general Iranian public to simultaneously rise up and stay home, how does he plan to manage the hoped-for happy ending? In the event they succeed and topple the regime, are they just going to let bygones be bygones with the suddenly displaced IRGC while also giving Trump the keys to their treasury?
- fortran77 7mo agoThe headline says "US and Israel". Why are you all focusing on Israel?
- bpye 7mo agoEarlier headlines did just state Israel, US involvement became evident somewhat later.
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- ardit33 7mo agoThis was doesn't benefit the US whatsoever. I am getting tired of our taxes going to another useless war, like the Iraq one, that only benefits a foreign entity, aka Israel. Iran could have been contained and Obama was right on his approach. We don't know the details of the strikes, but I hope it doesn't go into a full blown war, but this will be another Iraq like disaster, and american people are getting tired of doing the bidding of Isreal, a country that is already mirred into doing a genocide. This war is already unpopular in pools. Iran's regime is terrible to its people, but this has the potential to be another disaster where countless of people could die.
- padjo 7mo agoIt won't go to a full blown war. They will bomb some stuff and declare victory. Once they sailed two carrier battle groups over there an attack of some sort was a foregone conclusion.
- jryan49 7mo agolol we all hope
- CapricornNoble 7mo ago>We don't know the details of the strikes, but I hope it doesn't go into a full blown war Well, if the Chinese are smart, they will capitalize on this opportunity. They can prop up the Iranian regime with intelligence, weapons, and financial support the same way US & EU prop up Ukraine. The purpose would be to bleed US munitions stocks even faster than they already are, as well as increase attritional losses in platforms and personnel. China's stranglehold on rare earths and their export restrictions are making it more difficult for the US to restore its weapons stockpile. I'm sure China can crunch some numbers to identify the point of maximum weakness if the US is forced to sustain an anti-Iran air and naval campaign 30/60/90+ days. Then Xi can try to overlap that window of weakness with one of the two invasion windows against Taiwan (mostly due to weather in the Taiwan Strait). I don't think the PLA is dumb enough to try a full amphibious assault, but they could definitely initiate their blockade then.
- r721 7mo agoFeb 25: >White House officials believe ‘the politics are a lot better’ if Israel strikes Iran first >As the administration mulls military action in Iran, officials argue it’d be best if Israel makes the first move. https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/25/white-house-politics-israel-strikes-iran-00799456 https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/25/white-house-politic...
- gpt5 7mo agoLooks like the rumor was incorrect. Both jointly attacked (NYtimes - https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/02/28/world/iran-strikes-trump https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/02/28/world/iran-strikes-t...)
- vintermann 7mo agoBut Israel announced it first, which they maybe hoped would amount to the same thing PR wise.
- gpt5 7mo agoThe rumor above specifically talks about letting Iran retaliate against Israel which would then lead US to attack. I'm not sure what's the logic behind that PR-wise, but regardless, it didn't happen.
- vintermann 7mo agoAs I recall Iran said quite openly, in response to the US troop buildup, that they would see an attack by Israel as an attack by the US, suggesting that they could target e.g. carriers instead of Israel if Israel attacked them.
- SlinkyOnStairs 7mo ago> I'm not sure what's the logic behind that PR-wise Part of it is the stated idea that Israel still has public support. That such an exchange, even if Israel launches the first strike, would get more support. This is probably misjudging the actual public support for Israel, which is much lower amongst the general public than amongst (esp. Republican) political circles. The other part of it is that Trump has surrounded himself with card-carrying nazis, who have not at all been subtle about their desires to harm jews. > but regardless, it didn't happen. That Israel didn't launch the first strike and instead insisting on a joint strike (despite otherwise being constantly warmongering), suggests to me that it's the latter 'part' of the reason that had a lot of weight here.
- _zagj 7mo agoCan any Iran simps explain why the regime couldn't just agree to zero enrichment and cease its weekly ritual of organized mobs chanting: > DEATH TO AMERICA in the streets like blood-thirsty lunatics, something for which there was no equivalent in the US even after 9/11 (mobs chanting "Death to Muslims/Islam"), let alone doing so with governmental encouragement as happens in Iran? Do they not realize how many Americans aren't pro-Israel and aren't invested enough in the Middle East and its politics, proxy wars, and human rights abuses to want the US to support Israel in military action against Iran, except for their nuclear ambitions, and regularly professed eternal hatred for our country?
- bigyabai 7mo agoWe don't have many details regarding the negotiations, but early reports suggest that Iran agreed to the "no high-enrichment" line. It was the proxy support and MRBM standoff weaponry that caused the talks to collapse (allegedly). https://www.thejournal.ie/iran-agrees-in-breakthrough-talks-not-to-stockpile-enriched-uranium-that-could-build-bombs-6970304-Feb2026/ https://www.thejournal.ie/iran-agrees-in-breakthrough-talks-...
- beeflet 7mo agoI think iran wants nuclear weapons to ensure its survival against israel
- _zagj 7mo agoSo we're supposed to >justtrustmebro That they'll never, in some capacity, attempt use them against the country they weekly collectively chant death to? EDIT: thanks, dang, for the > posting too fast cooldown, for all of my four posts. > perhaps we could negotiate a peace deal in which israel and iran both agree to give up nuclear weapons and allow for IAEA inspections I completely agree with you. Isreal has better relations with its neighbors than its ever had, has destroyed Iran's proxies, and given its obvious conventional military supremacy and lack of regional nuclear-armed foes and US-backing, its nuclear stockpile is just a destabilizing force in the region, and them voluntarily disbanding it would earn them a great deal of goodwill and a moral highground.
- nomilk 7mo agoAre there any accurate sources on how many Iranian citizens the Iran regime has killed in the past couple of months? (some sources suggest tens of thousands, but I wonder if it could be a 'WMDs' situation [lie to get support for a war]). Trump said in the State of the Union [0]: > in just over the past couple of months with the protests they've killed at least 32000 protestors And just moments ago Trump says 'tens of thousands' [1] Is this confirmed or conjecture? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l-iErpskb8&t=1h21m20s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l-iErpskb8&t=1h21m20s [1] https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/2027651077865157033 https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/2027651077865157033
- bawolff 7mo agoI think its incredibly difficult to get confirmed numbers in a situation like that. I do think its on the higher end though as i dont think they would have bothered with a costly extended internet blackout if the number was small.
- colordrops 7mo agoWhy does it matter? Is it justification to attack them?
- nomilk 7mo agoThe 'tens of thousands' figure is one primary justification. Iran (eventually) getting a nuke is another.
- bawolff 7mo agoIts probably not the reason they are attacking (except in as much that it makes the iranian regime vulnerable). However i would say that yes, humanitarian intervention is one of the only non self-defense justifications for war that anyone has ever accepted in the post-ww2 era. (Edit: to clarify, im saying its the type of thing people build justifications for war around. Whether its a valid justification on this specific case is probably highly debatable. I think a reasonable argument could be made)
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- TheAlchemist 7mo agoRegardless of how it ends, and it can go both ways, we're witnessing history here. This feels like a much bigger development than Russia-Ukraine. Iran is a major partner for Russia and China, mostly for military technology and oil. Hope it's not a start of WW3.
- waihtis 7mo agoPutin said it himself, there are over 2 million russians in Israel - they will not participate
- quotz 7mo agothats definitely not the reason they wont participate. Its just a public excuse
- null_deref 7mo agoRussian Speakers* a lot of them are from previous Soviet republics like Georgia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Belarus and Ukraine
- pseingatl 7mo agoIn Georgia, they speak Georgian. Azerbaijani is a Turkic language.
- null_deref 7mo agoI don’t dispute that fact, but the Jews that have immigrated from there have grew up in the Soviet Union and in the Soviet education system, and therefore speak Russian Additional context: the comment above me stated 2m people have emigrated from Russia to Israel it’s more correct to say that they have emigrated from the Soviet Union
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- kibae 7mo agoThere seems to be an uptick around 1am on Polymarket. https://polymarket.com/event/us-strikes-iran-by https://polymarket.com/event/us-strikes-iran-by
- dist-epoch 7mo agoDue to distance planes need to take off many hours before the bombs drop. You can get an edge here by moving your ass somewhere where you can see the planes take off, maybe a team with people at multiple locations - boats near the aircraft carrier, near military bases in Israel, ...
- mijoharas 7mo agoSure, it could be that. My money is on something a bit simpler.
- xdennis 7mo agoI tried to access that URL but it's banned in my country (Romania) for being an "exploitative gambling website". It's the first time I've felt that my country has a sensible internet policy.
- IAmGraydon 7mo agoYes many markets began to react at 1:14AM EST.
- JumpinJack_Cash 7mo agoThere is a huge flame war in the comments as people who had money on 27th Feb are claiming the attack started on that date I think they don’t have an argument because technically the missile can be de-activated up until the last seconds before it reaches its intended target Still it feels surreal to argue about these things , bomb dropping on humans and other humans attacking each other for the privilege to have their bet honored on when said bombs dropped on the other side of the world I guess people in intelligence communities had these sort of bets going on ever since WW2 and Vietnam , but still it’s uncanny to see it widespread to potentially the whole population of the internet
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- Devasta 7mo agoIran is a lesson to all: as soon as Israel or the US take a disliking to you you have to rush for nuclear weapons. Iran has been the grown up in the room for well over a decade at this stage and it didn't matter one bit. You cannot appease Israel or the US because that don't want to be appeased, they want to bomb Iran into a lawless wasteland. They could have switched to a secular liberal democracy and it'd make no difference.
- TiredOfLife 7mo agoIran makes the drones that russia uses to attack Ukraine every day. Iran makes the rockets Houthis use to attack ships. Iran provides rockets andgunding to Hezbollah and Hamas. Iran is a terrorist state.
- heyheyhouhou 7mo agoI guess it depends from which angle you see this. Things are not black & white. A big chunk of the world sees the US as the biggest terrorist state in the world, followed up by Israel...
- TiredOfLife 7mo agoIran and russia are pretty black. Without any white
- samrus 7mo agoTrue. Your enemies are ontologically evil
- Hikikomori 7mo agoUsa makes the bombs that israel uses to attack gaza every day.
- rando1234 7mo agoDon't know why you are being down voted. I mean Iran had a democracy that was toppled by the CIA when they tried to nationalise their resources in favour of a puppet dictator. If the US cared so much about human rights why not go invade Saudi Arabia.
- carlosbaraza 7mo agoWhat are that pizza place google statistics?
- seydor 7mo agoDid anybody need those? The deployment of half the US army near israel was not enough evidence?
- carabiner 7mo agoThose spiked like 50x in the past 4 months. Doesn't seem to mean anything.
- dist-epoch 7mo agoThe only time it didn't spike was for the Venezuela Maduro operation. At this point, the pizza index is another vector of (dis)information managed by the Pentagon.
- inkysigma 7mo agoOnce that side channel was found, it was kind of inevitable it would be plugged. Even under a normal administration, that's an opsec leak.
- Schmerika 7mo agoSeriously. They can put a Burger King anywhere on the planet in 24 hours, but can't do their own pizza at the Pentagon?
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- carabiner 7mo agoRemember when we bombed Iran at Fordow? It happened less than a year ago. Iran sent some perfunctory retaliation, and everyone forgot the whole affair. Same with this. Nothing ever happens.
- anigbrowl 7mo agoidk about that, telling people to get ready for body bags does not sound like the hands-off fireworks show of previous episodes.
- Havoc 7mo agoGiven the amount of planes this isn’t going to be a single precision strike
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- carabiner 7mo agoYeah bro no one voted for this.
- shihab 7mo agoAnother mid east war entirely on Israel’s behalf, another war Americans will pay tax for, die for- just so Israel can keep grabbing few parcels of lands from Palestine.
- bettercallsalad 7mo agoWhat an utter betrayal of no war by DJT. This is the final straw. Era of Trump is dead, we are back to neoconservative era. I guess Adelsons are too hard to say no to.
- shihab 7mo agoCitizens United is an existential threat for USA. You cannot have Israeli-American dual citizens pouring $200 million dollars in elections. and that’s just her alone. This is simply not sustainable.
- idop 7mo agoOr one South African-Canadian-American triple citizen pouring $300 million dollars in elections. I am shocked that campaign donations are legal.
- tdeck 7mo agoI mean, some of the stuff actually wasn't legal. But accountability for wealthy elites is limited to a strongly worded letter https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c748l0zv4x8o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c748l0zv4x8o Just look at the fallout from the Epstein files where at best we can hope people will be embarrassed into resigning their current position.
- danaris 7mo agoCan we not with the blatant antisemitic dogwhistles...?
- coffinbirth 7mo agoAt this point, no country in the world will ever again 'make a deal' with the US, because while pretending to negotiate with you they try to ram a knife into your back.
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- smcl 7mo agoYou realise you are doing the “Thanks Obama” thing
- po_ta_to 7mo agoOr you can blame Israel and Zionists lobbying the governments and media that radicals will crawl out under everyone's beds. (PS: it started before Libya)
- lawn 7mo agoTrump does something: "it's Obama/Biden's fault!" Tiresome.
- yyyk 7mo agoNah, Trump is responsible for his own actions. But there's no way to justify Libya and not this, save for partisanship.
- orwin 7mo agoThe US didn't start the Lybia thing, France (and particularly Sarkozy) did, and the US felt obligated to follow up. In Hillary leaked emails, you can read about it. The CIA basically saying 'the successor France want is X, let's try to put our choice as the leader of the next Lybia instead', and a week later, the french/DGSE candidate for Khadafi succession died. Lybia was 100% a French war the US took over. Sarkozy's subordinates were extremely close to the Lybia regime that helped illegally finance his presidential election, at least according to French judges, so it was also also a very political war.
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- tovlier 7mo agohello IDF bot account!
- selfmodruntime 7mo agoCan we please keep this childish discourse to sites like reddit.
- RiverStone 7mo agoWhat a weird comment. I’ve had my account for six years and live in the USA. You can go look at my activity if you want.
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- komali2 7mo agoEver since the ICE stuff I've been desperate to find a way to not pay my taxes - even if it means donating 2, 3x, hell 4x my tax bill to somewhere else. Obviously it's basically impossible to do this (especially if your income is all self employment income) outside of just spending every penny you earn on something that could be viably considered a business expense. So I'm wondering if I should just straight up stop working until I can relinquish my USA citizenship. Spend down my savings and assets till I have almost nothing to exit tax, exit, and then start working again. I don't want to fund the bombing of strangers I have no quarrel with.
- dmos62 7mo agoIf you're willing to go through all this trouble, why not just become politically active? Don't underestimate what a motivated individual can do. All these public figures (or institutions) swaying the country back and forth are only people too.
- upmind 7mo agoI would rather vote for a person from hackernews than any other politician right now tbh...
- Braxton1980 7mo ago"both sides" still with this?
- komali2 7mo agoI was politically active in the USA, in the only way I believe can make any meaningful change: direct action, mutual aid. The American political system is captured by two neoliberal (one now post liberal, fascist) parties, and you have to sell your soul to "accomplish" anything, only to watch it yet ratcheted away by your own party, or obliterated by the fascists.
- dmos62 7mo agoBtw, an example of a person making a difference: https://www.youtube.com/garyseconomics https://www.youtube.com/garyseconomics
- krembo 7mo agoEven if you don't support US & IL standing in the frontlines against the terror regime, at least pray for the freedom of the people of Iran, 90m people held hostages by the regime. If you are pro-peace, do not be hypocrite, some wars are needed to defeat evil.
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- FrankSaaSDev 7mo agoUS needs to start thinking that you are not givinig someone freedom bt bombing them. You have soo much of your problems but your money printing machine is working and that is only reason that you can say that. Its not about 90m people its about your pockets...
- bigyabai 7mo agoThis is bad-faith rationalization. Looking at your comment history confirms that you only use HN to steer political narratives.
- krembo 7mo agoThis might be a bad faith rationalization per your subjective humble opinion. But thank you for trying to educate me.
- bigyabai 7mo agoIf you're not going to use HN for anything but politics, just leave. Your account is very clearly not a good-faith use of HN and anyone can click through your post history to see it.
- krembo 7mo agoExcuse me? What puts you in a position to ask that? Looking at our profiles you joined in 2024, while I've been here since 2011, please don't educate me with such brutal wording of how to behave, especially given I've said nothing wrong except writing opinions which you disagree with. AFAIK this is not USSR here and you're not Stalin.
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- apexalpha 7mo agoWhile I have no love for the Iranian regime I fear this will end up like the 'liberation' of Iraq: A massive power vacuum in an unstable Islamic regime. What even is the plan here if the air assault fails? Boots on the ground? In Iran?
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- viking123 7mo agoThe place has 90 million people, how do you even deal with this without throwing the whole place into chaos? Besides, after this the collective west has no moral high-ground anymore, the global south will resent us more than ever. If other countries go to aggressive wars, our condemnation is worthless. Trump is completely compromised and it was probably the powers that be who told them that this is how it is going to be.
- graemep 7mo agoThere is no such thing as the "global south" other than in the minds of westerners and westernised elites (and elites are getting less westernised). From a western viewpoint you can lump the rest of the world together, but it makes no sense from any other view point. As for moral high ground. Compared to whom? China? Russia? Myanmar?
- seydor 7mo agoChina
- nerdyadventurer 7mo ago> Besides, after this the collective west has no moral high-ground anymore They never had any morals, all for their business gains look at Middle East, Africa and Asian countries where they were involved. Europe always looked other way when US does something and vise versa.
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- maxglute 7mo agoInteresting times intensifies. It's only February.
- pseingatl 7mo agoThere are always unanticipated consequences in war. Argentina never thought in a million years that an attack on the practically undefended Falklands would result in the loss of the General Belgrano.
- rurban 7mo agoThe headlines in Europe are that Israel is carrying out preventive strikes, the USA is helping. And that's certainly the deathbed of any hopes to a mullah regime change. They will come out stronger than before.
- upmind 7mo agoHow did the US justify this?
- apexalpha 7mo agoThey stopped doing that, really. You might've missed it but the "department of defense" is now "department of war'.
- lll-o-lll 7mo agoThe way they justify everything in the modern time. “The strong do what they will. The weak suffer what they must.” If you are in the US, pray that you are never weak.
- joshrw 7mo agoWeapons of mass destruction, as usual.
- chrisjj 7mo agoHere is their attempt: https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-trump-address-f662a4f3378535d81197be699fb35a3e https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-trump-address-f662a4f3378...
- xdennis 7mo ago1. Iranians protested. 2. Islamists massacred them. 3. Trump said "help is on its way" ( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/13/trump-promises-iran-help-tells-iranians-keep-protesting https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/13/trump-promises... ) 4. Now is the help. --- Trump also said that when he says things he means them, unlike Obama's red lines in Syria (his words). When he said that, it was pretty clear he couldn't back off of attacking Iran. I assume it took so long because he's going for regime change, not just a few bombings. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, it took the US 5 months to launch a counter-invasion (mostly because of coalition building).
- bigyabai 7mo ago> Trump also said that when he says things he means them He says all sorts of things. Remember when Iran's nuclear facilities were "obliterated" and any "suggestions otherwise are fake news"? https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/irans-nuclear-facilities-have-been-obliterated-and-suggestions-otherwise-are-fake-news/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/irans-nuclear-fa...
- karim79 7mo agoI can't help but think that all this shit is because Netanyahu really wants to put off more court hearings on his lame ass corruption charges. I really can't wait for him and his cronies (in Israel, and the West) to be brought to justice. Without having to wait for the history books to do their thing.
- upmind 7mo agoSame, this is disgusting. Actions like these need oversight by the US people.
- halflife 7mo agoHis court appearance are continuing as scheduled, twice a week, for the last year. except for some specific incidents where he had to leave of cancel due to running a state. No matter what you think, there is no way for him to avoid these hearings
- karim79 7mo agoGreat, for those minor charges of accepting what, something like 150k Eur in gifts. As opposed to life in prison for genocide, which he clearly and absolutely deserves.
- Simon_ORourke 7mo agoAre all our foreign policy decisions now made in Tel Aviv to suit Israel?
- praptak 7mo agoOh, it's not only Israel. It's also a powerful distraction from the Epstein files.
- rixed 7mo agoWait, weren't the Epstein files a distraction from war operations?
- praptak 7mo agoI don't believe one is needed. USians seem ok with wars. The last one which caused problems also had a forced conscription.
- cultofmetatron 7mo agoits an Ouroboros of distractions.
- altern8 7mo agoYou know the answer ;-)
- A_D_E_P_T 7mo agoSure seems that way. I don't really see how this military action is justified from a US perspective. Or even from an Israeli one. The most likely justification is that the leadership of the US and Israel are a little bit unhinged and want a war to distract from domestic issues.
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- gethly 7mo agoIran FTW
- manyaoman 7mo agoI take this as a confirmation that more "nuclear material" i.e. unpublished Epstein files still exist.
- Schmerika 7mo agoThere's at least 14TB of unpublished files left. And that's only the ones the FBI didn't "somehow" fail to collect.
- Schmerika 7mo agoThere's at least 14TB of unpublished files left. A little under half of the 6 million documents. And that's only the ones the FBI didn't "somehow" fail to collect.
- m00dy 7mo agoThis is the beginning of 3rd world war.
- tome 7mo agoWould you be willing to back up that claim with money on a prediction market?
- rationalist 7mo agoIt's very subjective, not appropriate for a prediction market.
- phendrenad2 7mo agoWhat makes you think that?
- dodgerdan 7mo ago3 days ago this was in the news: > "Epstein files: DOJ withheld documents about claim Trump sexually abused minor" https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/24/epstein-trump-doj-garcia.html https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/24/epstein-trump-doj-garcia.htm... Will it even make a single newspaper or talk show this weekend?
- halflife 7mo agoDo you people seriously think that planning such a large scale operation can take 3 days?
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- KumaBear 7mo agoFree to enjoy the puppet government we install
- dastuer 7mo agoNothing is worse than this. Come over and live here if you want
- jdiaz97 7mo agoPosted from Tel Aviv
- dastuer 7mo agoIf you need me to be in Tel Aviv, so that your view of the world holds then sure I’m there.
- afroboy 7mo agoThere is no sane person in the world will believe that Israel and USA will make Iran a better place, its just a hell going to be.
- notenlish 7mo agoThis is why we can't have nice things.
- lawgimenez 7mo agoUSA can't stop engaging in wars no? Now food prices are gonna go up because gas prices will go up. Or all prices will go up.
- Zealotux 7mo ago>USA can't stop engaging in wars no? Eisenhower explained why in his farewell address.
- makingstuffs 7mo agoI really do not even want to understand the mental gymnastics which one has to undertake to justify the actions of the US and Israel in recent years. Nor do I even know how to begin to grasp the enablement displayed by Europe as a whole. People constantly cite China’s “human rights abuses” (which seem to pale in comparison to all this) and rightly so, but continue to enable this blood thirsty and power hungry tag team to indulge in flagrant abuses of international law and general morality. This is a sad day for level headed and empathetic humans across the globe. At which point do we accept that WW3 began quite a while ago? Because it sure as shit did. Edit: fully expect this to be downvoted to oblivion but it’s my truth.
- amunozo 7mo agoThere is a curious cognitive dissonance in which people think is somehow more morally correct to do human rights abuses abroad than at home. The US is doing both currently, though.
- Cyph0n 7mo agoTo add to this: anyone who still does not see that Israel is by and far the most dangerous rogue state in the region is (at best) blinded by propaganda. Iran has repeatedly demonstrated restraint and pragmatism throughout these aggressions on their sovereignty, starting with Israel’s strike on their consulate in Damascus.
- TiredOfLife 7mo agoThere is no need to gymnastics. Iran materially supports russian war against Ukraine.
- wewxjfq 7mo agoVery level headed and empathetic to go and claim that 50 countries just lost their right to criticize China because US and Israel are fighting Iran. Trolls having their priorities straight!
- Revanche1367 7mo agoHe did not make that claim and even said criticism of China’s abuses is warranted. Zionist shill.
- throwaway637372 7mo agoUS president can be democrat or republican, republicans can control the Senate or the House, or the democrats can control the Senate or the House - regardless of who is in power, Israel's interests by US are always met. US can wreck havoc on close relations and ties with Europe, Canada, etc. - but relation to Israel never changes. You can oblivious to all this, but the truth is: Israel de facto controls the US.
- arunabha 7mo agoBen Franklin was asked what kind of govt would the newly formed United States have. He was sadly right when he replied 'A republic, if you can keep it' One of the (many) pretexts for the war, at least from Trump seems to be that Iran 'interfered' in US elections. From the Washington post 'President Donald Trump shared an article about Iran seeking to interfere in U.S. elections on his Truth Social account a couple of hours after U.S. strikes began in Iran early Saturday. “Iran tried to interfere in 2020, 2024 elections to stop Trump, and now faces renewed war with United States,” the post read, with a link to a piece from Just the News, a conservative website from which Trump frequently shares articles. Shortly after, the president posted another article from the site, albeit unrelated to Iran; it was about the Fulton County, Georgia, prosecutor Fani T. Willis.' Does the US even have a functioning Congress left? Who will even believe such a preposterous lie? Even the most die hard MAGA supporter will find it hard to believe this fabrication. It's like Trump doesn't feel the need to even maintain the fig leaf of a causus belli. He must truly feel that he is now the king of the United States to be so emboldened.
- chrisjj 7mo ago/sought/ to interfere. See Stephen Fry on attempted chemistry.
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- mdni007 7mo agoWhy does HN continue to delete all comments against this?
- blks 7mo agoSo another war of aggression by Israel.
- humanlity 7mo ago[dead]
- 0x600613 7mo ago2 countries with the best war technologies on earth must work together to have a war with embargod-country-for-decades. And those 2 counties are founder of Board of Peace.
- SirFatty 7mo agoyes, yes. Poor Iran.
- Schmerika 7mo agoYes. Poor Iran. Because America and Israel.
- dijit 7mo agoIran are the good guys? What topsy-turvy land have I wandered into? They've funded Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis for decades. They've assassinated dissidents on foreign soil. They sentence people to death for apostasy and flog women for not wearing hijab correctly. The sanctions aren't about race. They're about behaviour.
- bigyabai 7mo agoThere are no "good guys" in real-life. If you as an individual revile proxy conflict, assassination of dissidents abroad, torture and summary execution, then it's hard to stand on the American soapbox and demand change. Many Iranians still remember SAVAK, and are told stories of the last time they tried nationalizing their resources. The US doesn't need an interventionist policy with Iran any more than we need to invade North Korea. Israel needs it though, and their entire strategy is to risk American lives for their meaningless expansion campaign.
- fortzi 7mo agoI keep being amazed at how people believe this expansion fairytale
- swingboy 7mo agoA mere 8 months ago, Trump and his cronies were saying that Iran’s nuclear program was “totally obliterated” every chance they got.
- vkou 7mo ago16 months ago, he was campaigning on no new wars. Presumably, what he meant was 'No, new wars!'
- IAmGraydon 7mo agoI don’t know why anyone even bothers with this anymore. Literally every single word that comes out of his mouth is a lie. It’s actually staggering to think about. It’s like he is incapable of doing anything that right, correct, or true.
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- criddell 7mo agoNew day, new talking points. Surely this isn’t a surprise to you?
- TheCondor 7mo agoAnd perhaps more importantly, “Suggestions otherwise are fake news” https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/irans-nuclear-facilities-have-been-obliterated-and-suggestions-otherwise-are-fake-news/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/irans-nuclear-fa...
- papaver-somnamb 7mo agoI recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted exchanges, probability of contamination low, material possibility of nuclear escalation. Case in point: North Korea developed nukes without being invaded, and now that they have nukes, other countries are watching and seeing that NK won't be invaded. What lesson do those other countries draw? And what of a world in which many potential belligerents hold nukes? Hiroshima weeps. I'd like to add an important attribute here: The revolution will be live-streamed, more-or-less. And essentially none of us will know the truth, even the reasons. I predict this fact will not distress many people, such is the state of humanity. So to the 7 or so decades of stability we and our ancestors enjoyed, here's looking at you, going down me. But Brettonwoods serves the present the least of any time since its creation. Case in point, w.r.t. eastern Africa, the geopolitical bounds of those ~4 countries seems likely meld to a degree. If we are indeed heading into WW3, I expect the world map to be redrawn afterwards, and the only lessons learned is how to win better in future. And if we are, while disgruntled old geriatrics go at each others throats via their youthful proxies, I greatly prefer the nukes rust in peace. Reminds me of Blaise Pascal's quote: 'All human evil comes from a single cause, man's inability to sit still in a room.' Aspiration, you gotta take care man, it just might kill ya.
- shevy-java 7mo agoFirst, I don't think this leads to WW3 although I would agree with you that there is a general global tendency towards escalation. Still, I think we can not call this WW3 and I am not 100% certain this is a build-up to WW3 either. As for North Korea: I think the situation is not solely about North Korea itself but China. China is kind of acting as protective proxy here. I don't see North Korea as primary problem to the USA, but to South Korea and Japan. Both really should get nukes. Taiwan too, though mainland China would probably invade when it thinks Taiwan is about to have nukes; then again China already committed to invasion - this is the whole point of having a dictator like Xi in charge now. The situation Russia is in is interesting, because even though they are stronger than Ukraine, Ukraine managed to stop or delay Russia, which is a huge feat, even with support. As Putin does not want to stop, and Trump is supporting him (agent Krasnov theory applies), I think this has escalation potential. Putin is killing civilians in Ukraine daily - I think he does that because he already committed to further escalation against all Europeans. So Europeans need a nuclear arsenal, but european politicians are totally lame - see Merz "we will never have nukes". Basically he wants to be abused by Putin here.
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- adverbly 7mo agoWell hopefully this is short, minimally lethal, and leads to regime change for all those involved.
- shevy-java 7mo agoIraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? I don't think any of these were short.
- thomassmith65 7mo agoDesert Storm was short. The second Iraq War, the stupid one, was not.
- UncleMeat 7mo agoDesert storm didn’t attempt regime change. Iran is not currently invading anyone.
- Jtsummers 7mo agoI'm glad someone else remembers. Desert Storm was fast (kind of) because it had a limited objective: Repel an invading army from another nation. It did not lead to an invasion (long term) of Iraq. Comparing any war with the objective of regime change to Desert Storm reveals that the commenter is grossly ignorant of recent history (36 years ago, it's not that far back to be so ignorant). Desert Storm also wasn't really fast, it led to containment operations lasting a bit over a decade in total, ending only when we decided to invade Iraq with the objective of regime change and nation building. And that one, predictably, turned into a quagmire.
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- invader 7mo agoHowever, to be fair, Desert Storm hasn't resulted in regime change. The Coalition bombed the shit out of the Iraqi army, but never committed to the ground operation deep inside Iraq. And Saddam's regime survived until the next war. That alone hints that it is very hard to bring a dictatorship down with just aerial attacks - the ground component is also essential. Something tells me it is going to be the same here. Only a land operation or a total collapse of the government, with the armed police and military joining the opposition, can topple the Iranian regime.
- niemandhier 7mo agoPrevious conflicts between the involved parties were intense but also defined by constrain on both sides. Israel did not mass bomb civilians, and Iranian agents did not commit sabotage against infrastructure on US soil. I hope this pattern persists. A hand full of determined Ukrainians managed to blow up North Stream, some people plunged part of Berlin into darkness for 2 weeks. Power and data cables as well as pipelines are as vulnerable in the US, as they are here. Maybe even more so. A regime that truly feared for its existence, might decide to escalate, since there is nothing to loose.
- ifwinterco 7mo agoI think the latter, the US is explicitly attempting a regime change operation so Iran has no reason for restraint. The US is aware of this, that's why they evacuated all their bases etc within range
- chrisjj 7mo ago> explicitly attempting a regime change operation I missed that press release. Where is it?
- Ardren 7mo ago> "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations," https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/us-and-israel-launch-a-major-attack-on-iran-and-trump-urges-iranians-to-take-over-your-government https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/us-and-israel-launch-a-ma...
- chrisjj 7mo ago...if we didn't kill you. Thanks.
- vcryan 7mo agoUS is to out of touch with reality, they want to put a Zionist who is generally hated by Iranians in power. Will never happen.
- marcyb5st 7mo agoI find the nuclear motivation an excuse. I mean, enrichment plants or not, if Iran wants a few nukes I am pretty sure that Russia would part with some enriched material and smuggle it pretty easily to Iran. My theory is that Israel has dirt (Epstein files maybe) on Trump and holds him by the balls. The second idea is that this is an obfuscation campaign to have the public opinion forget about Epstein, the state of the real economy, the falling approval rates, or all of the above.
- xbmcuser 7mo agoWhat makes you think Trump is not interested in this himself they just offered him hotels and land. Him getting blackmailed is I feel a lot of people that have voted for him are using as a coping mechanism. The attack on Iran proves the point just like Russia attacking Ukraine if you want to protect your territories you need nuclear weapons. Canada, Greenland and countries in South America should also look to acquire nuclear weapons as once they are done with Iran you will be the next.
- drcongo 7mo agoBored of Peace
- checker659 7mo agoI think its only just getting started
- shevy-java 7mo agoIt kind of reveals Trump as a big liar. Not that this is a surprise, but even in his own self-image he can no longer try to shift the blame to others. Now he committed to war until regime change occurs.
- epolanski 7mo agoThe president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.
- dfxm12 7mo agoI can't believe the winner of the FIFA Peace Prize would do such a thing.
- tim333 7mo agoI for one can no longer take the FIFA Peace Prize seriously.
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- Matl 7mo agoAnd all that Israel did to the Palestinians before October 7th.
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- mirekrusin 7mo ago6 million kids? whole palestine has less total population, gaza has less than 1 million total population, no?
- HeavyStorm 7mo ago2 mil, actually. But not 6 million kids...
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- throwaw12 7mo agoThis war shows Hamas was resistance group and Israel was actual oppressor and terrorist. Israel attacked Iran Israel attacked Lebanon Israel oppressed and kidnapped Palestinians World is getting destroyed by couple hundred Israeli and US maniacs, by the way, all of whom are connected via Epstein
- sega_sai 7mo agoThe take home message from this is that the only way for any country to be secure is to have nuclear weapons.
- Matl 7mo agoNorth Korea looks a lot less unhinged now.
- wiseowise 7mo agoIt is still unhinged, but not because of nuclear weapons. Ukraine, and now Iran, showed the whole world what happens when you don’t have a nuclear deterrence.
- somenameforme 7mo agoI think the unhinged rhetoric is, in part, a necessary partner of the nukes. Because you need to not only have nukes but have your adversaries believe that you won't hesitate to use them. If North Korea had nukes, but the US didn't believe they would use them, then they'd be getting the Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc, etc, etc treatment.
- Gare 7mo agoExactly, the threat of using nukes needs to be credible in order to work as a deterrence.
- thrance 7mo agoI mean, nothing unhinged here, nukes are only ever useful if other countries believe you will use them when attacked. Same thing for North Korea as the US, France, etc. (Well, nuclear war is unhinged, but...).
- wk_end 7mo agoThe claim has always been made that attacking NK was off the table anyway, because they have obscene numbers of conventional artillery pointed directly at SK's capital and largest population centre, right across the DMZ; even the fastest decapitation strike wouldn't have prevented Seoul from getting flattened. Nukes definitely don't hurt but I'm not actually sure NK needed the bomb as an additional deterrent.
- windowliker 7mo agoThis is war... huh... wow!
- xdennis 7mo agoLove the Burzum reference, but it's low quality on a discussion forum. Downvoted.
- windowliker 7mo agoWhat's there to discuss about this absolute shit show?
- hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 7mo agoNothing to do with nuclear weapons. They are trying to surround and isolate Turkey as the only other military heavyweight of the middle east. Israel and the US have already shown their cards in Syria. It is not peace they are after, it is regional domination.
- alex_low 7mo agoI'm surprised this has not been mentioned, for context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres
- tgv 7mo agoI think that's because nobody believes for one second that these strikes are a retaliation for that.
- philk10 7mo agoEpstein files and plummeting poll numbers are more likely reasons
- yoyohello13 7mo agoMy guess is Hegseth is cumming in his pants at the idea of starting the 10th Crusade.
- eunos 7mo agoThen Hegseth and Caine must be prepared to face the next Taiwan strait crisis with depleted munitions.
- croes 7mo agoRookie numbers. Wait until they got liberated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
- throwaw12 7mo agoAre you saying those protested actually got funded by Israel and because Iran killed them, now Israel is retaliating? Now I really wonder if those protests were indeed fueled and funded by Israel, because we have seen videos of mosques being burned down by protestors, which is strange for Shia Muslim country, even if they don't like their government
- jeffhollon 7mo agoPeace and profit.
- Arun2009 7mo agoI am just befuddled by how much of this violence is directly motivated by religious concerns, both on the side of Iran and on the side of Israel and USA. I have been reading on the topic of shunyata or emptiness in Mahayana Buddhism, and have been uncomfortably observing just how much of the artifacts we take to be real and substantial in the world are just "made up". They don't have an inherent reality of their own except what we attribute to them. And yet, made up stories can have very real consequences in terms human suffering. It ought to be possible to cut through the layers of reifications and simply defuse much of the strife in the world. And yet, we continue to inflict misery on each other unnecessarily.
- vcryan 7mo agoIt had nothing to do with religion, that element is used to distract.
- merelythere 7mo agoThey are following their books like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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- samrus 7mo agoIsreal did have some polarization among liberal-conservative sides recently. Protests and all that. Could be
- ifwinterco 7mo agoI'll know from how many downvotes I get whether I've touched a nerve or not
- azernik 7mo agoHey there I'm Israeli and I'm quite politically informed and moderately religiously educated and I have never heard of this "curse of the eighth decade" thing you've heard of.
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- heraldgeezer 7mo agoGood. Let them have it!! Free Iran!
- vcryan 7mo agoMost people's definition of freedom isn't being bombed by the US and Israel.
- jackdoe 7mo agospecial operation
- aeon_ai 7mo agoThe most likely and capable retaliation will be cyber/info wars. Iran has sophisticated influence operations and will likely flood social media with disinformation designed to deepen political divisions and erode trust in institutions. This advice serves even if you don’t believe the above. Be deeply skeptical of all viral content in the coming days and weeks, especially anything designed to change your opinions, or provoke outrage/fear. Verify before sharing. Expect deepfakes. Stick to primary sources when possible.
- apples_oranges 7mo agoI hate that we apparently have to take sides when commenting ..
- tyleo 7mo agoYou don’t have to take sides. I haven’t landed on a particular POV here. You’re free to take a breath and think about things.
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- croes 7mo ago> Iran, pledging to lay waste to the country’s military and obliterate its nuclear program. Is that the same program that was totally obliterated in June 2025 according to Trump? "Obliterated like nobody’s ever seen before"?
- HumblyTossed 7mo agoNeeds a war to cancel the mid terms.
- samrus 7mo agoRegarding the protests in the preceding week, while the iranian people probably had valid problems with their government, its so pbvious the actual scenes we saw in the news were orchestrated to manufacture consent. Its barely hidden anymore. If you see a sudden uptick in protests in a country the US/isreal see as an enemy, you can bet its probably just the step in the playbook preceding military action
- throwawayheui57 7mo agoProtests have been happening in Iran for years and their frequency and depth increasing. Last one was “Woman life freedom” movement because the government killed a girl for bad hijab. It’s not new, you just started paying attention now.
- samrus 7mo agoI know its not new, the iranian governemnt has always been cruel to dissidents. I guess my point is a sudden uptic in participants and media coverage of them is the indicator of manufactured consent
- throwawayheui57 7mo agoOk I get your point. You mean the uptick in US/Western media coverage? I do agree and don’t think whatever we’re witnessing right now is for the good of the people of Iran! Also the scale in which people were killed in Iran in such a short time (even if you believe the Iranian state media) was unprecedented. So there’s that too.
- bluGill 7mo agoThe protests were there before. Maybe you didn't know about them, but many people have been protesting. These are 40 day protests - iran funerals are 40 days afer the death, and 40 days ago iran killed tens of thousands of protesters who now are having funerals. (Iran deach culture is more complex than that, but for discussion the above works)
- udioron 7mo agoI believe this is related for Iran's decades old calls for "Death to America"/"Death to Israel".
- tw04 7mo agoI believe that’s related to Israel’s genocide of Palestinian children and America’s unending unconditional support of the same.
- udioron 7mo agoNo, it's because of the country is run by fanatics.
- tw04 7mo agoIsrael? Or the US? Because it would seem all three countries are run by fanatics that just believe in a slightly different version of the exact same story that they call a religion. I take that back, Trump doesn't believe in anything but himself, but he's surrounded himself in a blanket of Christian nationalists.
- udioron 7mo agoTrump will be out of office in a couple of years, and hopefully Netanyahu as well. That's how democracy works. Israel has 20% muslim citizens, with muslim parties and parliament members, cities and vibrant Arab communities. They can work with liberal Jewish Israelis and kick out Netanyahu if they are smart. Much better then war and blood.
- tw04 7mo ago> Trump will be out of office in a couple of years, and hopefully Netanyahu as well. Trump has said numerous times he’s going to run a third time and there’s no indication the Supreme Court has any ability to stop him. We’ll see how democracy holds up when people intentionally are derelict in their duties.
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- coffinbirth 7mo ago> Iranian media now report 40 killed and 48 students injured following the strike on a girls’ elementary school in Minab, as rescue and recovery efforts continue. Congrats America!
- coffinbirth 7mo agoUPDATE: Reports now say that over 80 school children between the age of 7 and 12 were killed in Minab. How is the Epstein Regime going to survive this politically? How is the Senate (Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, etc.) going to survive this politically?
- derwiki 7mo agoI think you forgot /s to your last two points
- Aerbil313 7mo agoNo need to worry. They have extensively stress-tested the American public over the past few years and the conclusion is clear: Americans are never going to revolt no matter what you do to them.
- vkou 7mo agoHe could drop a bomb on a school in Ohio, and still enjoy 40% support. There is no red line for these people.
- braincat31415 7mo agoYou are mistaken. Just don't assume that diminishing support for Trump will result in increased support for the democratic party. I find both equally disgusting.
- sriram_malhar 7mo agoEqually? Sigh. All the people who huffed about Kamala and Trump being sides of the same coin have brought us to this stage. You think Kamala's admin would be anywhere as venal, corrupt, blatantly unlawful as this?
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- lucasRW 7mo agoHopefully they finish the job this time and rid us of this horrible islamist regime, to make Iran great again !
- Imustaskforhelp 7mo ago"This war like the next war, is the war to end all wars" - David LLoyd George, c.1916 The first wars were fought between tribes and then later between kingddoms for power/minor differences and trying to increase influence and alliances. Religion and race and many other discriminating factors are used for both sides to get support of the people, the people who are actually gonna carry the rifle and risk their lives and lose it, this drives the next war to redeem the losses of the first one, to take revenge. This then creates a community which dislikes the other community and now we are here. We do not like to be robbed of an enemy; we want someone to have when we suffer. … If so-and-so’s wickedness is the sole cause of our misery, let us punish so-and-so and we shall be happy. The supreme example of this kind of political thought was the Treaty of Versailles. Yet most people are only seeking some new scapegoat to replace the Germans. - Bertrand Russel in Skeptical Essays. Humanity has had a history written with bloodshed but the problem right now seems to me that we don't know how to write future, we lack a vision for other prospects, it seems to me that we jump into the newest Hype on the block and its all so wishy-washy. Contrary to people saying its a western issue, I think its an whole world issue, its just that the west is particularly impacted by it. Has there been a desensitization in things in recent years? I know of atleast one leader (King Kaniska) who fought for land (Modern day Orrisa) and won and then saw the bloodshed and screams on the ground and decided to not repeat it and I think he spent later of his life trying to promote peace. I am sure that there must be other leaders in the history of past as well but perhaps its the problem of history as well which can sometimes glorify wars. I think the biggest problem right now is being noise. We have created machines so large that humans have lost dignity and are treated unfairly at scale in terms of Renting places at scale owned by shell companies who'd rather have it empty than give you affordable housing. Prices seem to be increasing and I don't think modern social media helps in giving people dignity quite the opposite at times and it's very likely someone is reading this who may have contributed to making the machine. With this being a political thread, I see comments from both sides[0], I don't think I have too much to add politically to the discussion but perhaps I just wanted to treat out that its best we treat each other with dignity in this thread and in general because I do believe that's the only thing we can do which can bring change. It's gonna be extremely hard for people to treat others with dignity while taking sides which talk about wars killing people, but I don't know what else to say. Iranian censorship for its people but I am not sure if the current idea of America brings me thinking of liberation. One can wish for pure democracies in such regions but its gonna be extremely hard and even grass-roots movements of these can be shut down by intrusive forces whether foreign or govt itself and given that the region is extremely shaky relying on oil which can be extracted from ground leading to a less dependence on people themselves for Iranian govt.s being the reason why they can be so censoring. They have shown enough power to fight massive protests but as I said earlier, the current picture of America don't exactly give me the idea of bringing pure democracy in the region either. My prayers to the Iranian people who are stuck between a rock and tough spot. (there are no sides, its a circle, a circle of people who start wars and the people who fight wars)
- consumer451 7mo agoHere is a 12 minute video showing OSINT of various attacks, and Iranian counter-attacks. https://youtu.be/ZmtRhiI9uWU https://youtu.be/ZmtRhiI9uWU
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- neves 7mo agoIran has marvelous cities, sim of the greatest humanity archeological treasures. It hurts my heart to see Americans destroying them (and the thousands of lifes).
- squidbeak 7mo agoIran also has a gang of murderous theocratic nutters running it, massacring their citizens for taking to the streets and singing songs, undermining foreign societies, and lending their knowhow and drones to other, bigger psychopaths for their invasions. It'll gladden my heart if the leadership is destroyed, even if some old pretty masonry gets chipped along the way.
- phendrenad2 7mo agoIsn't Iran also famous for destroying landmarks that don't glorify the official state religion?
- ubixar 7mo agoI've long suspected DJT is on a rampage of radical, ragebait news worthy actions to take the news away from the Epstein files. I hate that it's working and many people have to suffer because of it.
- JKCalhoun 7mo agoPeople are posting these choice quotes: "In order to get elected Barack Obama will start a war with Iran" —Donald Trump, Nov 29, 2011 "Barack Obama will attack Iran to get re-elected." —Trump, Jan 17, 2012 "Now that Obama's poll numbers are in tailspin watch for him to launch a strike on Libya or Iran. He is desperate." —Trump, Oct 9, 2012
- niels8472 7mo agoIll doers are illdeemers.
- yoyohello13 7mo agoDuring the election MAGA was yelling that Kamala Harris was going to bring us into war with Iran. They are real quiet now, as usual. Republicans are always the same, cut benefits to the poor, cut taxes on the rich, war with the Middle East. Every, single, time.
- JKCalhoun 7mo ago"Former Vice President Kamala Harris: 'I unequivocally oppose this war'" https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2026/02/28/kamala-harris-attacks-iran-oppose/88919906007/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2026/02/28/k...
- tlogan 7mo agoI hope this war will be short. And that the result will be Iran becoming a democracy that fully joins the global community. The Iranian people (Persians, Azerbaijanis, Kurds, and others), deserve better. It would benefit the entire world to see Iran integrated and engaged internationally.
- voganmother42 7mo agothe drones just have to fly slower for the kids and schools…”Easy, you just don't lead 'em so much”
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- rcbdev 7mo ago> Fully joins the global community If by that you mean that Iran will become a toothless vassal state of the U.S.-Americans, then God forbid.
- tlogan 7mo agoWhat do you mean by “toothless”? I was thinking more along the lines of Japan or South Korea. Militarily restrained, but prosperous and strong. I understand that recent military actions have often made things worse, not better. I am just trying to stay optimistic. From what I know, many Iranians are not enthusiastic about religion controlling law and politics.
- mtoner23 7mo agoDoes the us have any toothless vassal states?
- epsters 7mo agoThere is zero likelihood of that. The IRGC and Iranian forces are a million strong and have a loyal base of support among the population. Without boots on the ground, relying on air power and 'moderate rebels' you are looking at at least a decade of war (using Syria and Libya as best-case-scenarios examples; Assad regime was nothing like the Iranian). The Israelis are dividing the opposition by pushing the out-of-touch monarchists as their would-be puppets and the Trump regime are backing them too. Which means they are not even seriously pushing any viable or credible alternative. They are likely arming the Kurdish and other ethnic factions in the region and stoking ethnic conflict. It is in Israel's interests to prolong the conflict , to degrade Iran's military and economy (like they did in Syria) and even break it up into smaller manageable parts. The monarchists are a moon-shot; Reza Pehlavi is not his father (who also was a US puppet) - Israelis like him because he will be weak and pliable and completely dependent on foreign patronage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinon_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinon_Plan
- cc-d 7mo agoWe all saw this coming decades ago, they weren't exactly subtle.
- globemaster99 7mo agoPeace president ah? American terrorists never learn to mind their own business in their own country. Where are all the MAGA clowns? How exactly attacking Iran make their country great? Murdered million children in Iraq and now they started their terrorism in Iran.
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- seanmcdirmid 7mo agoThis is also a good deal for the Iranian government since they can transfer hatred people had for them to the America and Israel. No one will see Trump as salvation and the “rally behind the flag” phenomena in times of invasion applies just as much to Iran as it does to the USA.
- tim333 7mo agoSome Iranian kids in Iran celebrating, I think https://x.com/shadygrooove/status/2027667467456442730 https://x.com/shadygrooove/status/2027667467456442730
- I-M-S 7mo agoI know of at least 80 Iranian kids today who aren't in position to celebrate.
- NamlchakKhandro 7mo agoyou know them personally? or are they just black canvas bags full of sand?
- toxik 7mo agoI don't think this is terrorism, that's not what the word means. It's a clear and open act of war, so in many ways much worse, but somehow terrorism is a scarier word.
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- steveBK123 7mo agoMy theory was they were waiting for the finale of Tehran on Apple TV
- ourmandave 7mo agoAgain, little to no information for the US public. No approval from Congress. Calling for the people to rise up. You can't bomb your way into regime change. Are we supplying arms to groups? Is there a plan beyond pointless death and regional chaos the president would like to share?
- guerrilla 7mo ago> Are we supplying arms to groups? Yes. The US supports the monarchy, the Kurds and MeK. The CIA was revealed to have armed MeK (despite designation) and my guess is that they do with the Kurds too. The CIA also talks to the Balochi groups as well although I don't know how organized or armed they are. Needless to say, "regime change" would in reality mean civil war like Syria or collapse like Libya.
- aucisson_masque 7mo agoOr Irak. The list of exemple is long enough, no need to add Iran. We already had ISIS thanks to the mess in Irak and Libya.
- PretzelPirate 7mo agoYou spelled Iraq as "Irak". Is there a meaning to this? I couldn't find a reference but wonder if that's somehow a meaningful spelling.
- SSLy 7mo agoIt's the spelling used by French, German and couple of neighbouring languages.
- t-3 7mo agoRomanizations are fashion trends rather than any kind of science or real standardized system. Other than those places with Roman-era Latin spellings like Syria, others have dozens of variants.
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- underdeserver 7mo agoI am saddened by all of these comments. Will not one of you try to steelman this decision? Or do you truly, fully believe the entire US government and intelligence complex, supported by roughly 50% of your compatriots, are warmongering baboons?
- jfengel 7mo agoOk, fine. Israël is threatened by Iran. Iran has been working on nukes. There have been negotiations but they haven't been definitive yet, and Iran has never been a trustworthy negotiating partner anyway. That is why this President ditched the last round of agreements. That's the steelman. Reality is that half my compatriots are warmongering baboons.
- techblueberry 7mo agoI think it's possible it's a good decision (As with most wars in the middle east, I think hubris is playing a heavy role and we're underestimating the risks involved) but I think I'm in the minority and this is _not_ supported by 50% of my compatriots. I don't know if by 50% you're talking about left vs right, but I'm center left, and a decent number of center-left thought leaders support this action. I think the people who support this are a relatively narrow 25-30% of remaining neo(lib|con)s in the center, and the more left and the America First right crowd hate this. My guess would be loosely speaking Trump's base hates this more than the typical HN poster. Tucker Carlson for instance will be way more against this than anyone here.
- eleventyseven 7mo agoI am saddened by your gullibility. Your first instinct is to trust this administration? Who has repeatedly showed utter contempt for the very idea of truth, the constitution, the rule of law, and science, merely because half of American voters are brainwashed? This administration's arguments do not deserve to be steelmanned.
- rcbdev 7mo agoYes. Greetings from the European Union.
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- whearyou 7mo agoWhat are the chances that HN is getting astroturfed these days? Are mods strict about it? I lots of relatively new accounts coming with what seems to me extreme, but altogether pop-culture acceptable opinions
- fsflover 7mo agoYou should point out the exact posts.
- Bender 7mo agoWhat are the chances that HN is getting astroturfed these days? Happens all day every day. There are many AI agents starting discussions and replying to comments. This is how The Crappening started on 4chan. Some of them are just future grifters. Some are training AI (I have replied to a few for fun). Some are propaganda bots. Those running the bots will reply with something equiv to Errrm Proof?? when called out. Without root I can not empirically prove it and the botters know that. I predict about 2 years before the site will have more AI noise than real people. I have no idea what can be done about it aside from tracking the bots and reporting them via email to Daniel and I don't know what he could or would do. HN has always been very hands off which is mostly good but not for this scenario. If nothing is done it will just be bots grifting and AstroTurfing one another to the benefit of Google SEO and most of the humans would eventually go elsewhere with exception of some die-hards that refuse to recognize the situation.
- worldsavior 7mo agoMaybe this comment is also AI.
- Bender 7mo agoMaybe this comment is also AI. My nickname on here would at least suggest so. I think Grok is the closest option since they were working on making a snarky insulting version of their bot. Tame that down a bit and one could get the personality of Bender. [1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPNGFC7-t68 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPNGFC7-t68 [video][16s]
- Rover222 7mo agoIranians are celebrating, btw. This is what they have been dreaming of. This is their chance to finally take their country back, and I think they'll do it. I can't think of a better use of US military power in the world than to take out this terrible regime and let the Iranians do the rest. This isn't Iraq or Venezuela. People saying that we can't bomb our way into regime change apparently didn't follow the protests and massacres very closely a couple months ago. Iranians were begging for help so that they could topple the regime.
- reliabilityguy 7mo ago> People saying that we can't bomb our way into regime change apparently didn't follow the protests and massacres very closely a couple months ago. Iranians were begging for help so that they could topple the regime. Of course people didn’t follow. Did you see any major news outlet doing live coverage of the events like they did for October 7th? No.
- dfedbeef 7mo agoProbably not the dead ones
- ozgrakkurt 7mo agoThe news of bombs falling on schools must be really exhilarating to people. Especially for the ones that have children! Finally they have a chance to throw away their government and replace it with a military junta
- Rover222 7mo agoGood job parroting Iranian propaganda
- judahmeek 7mo agoThey didn't celebrate the last time Israel & the U.S. attacked them & they aren't celebrating now. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/01/trump-khamenei-iran-protests/685680/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/01/trump-kham... Successful regime change requires a far more significant investment in soft power than America & Israel's current right-wing leadership would even conceive of.
- hypeatei 7mo ago"Iran tried to interfere in 2020, 2024 elections to stop Trump, and now faces renewed war with United States"[0] So we're going to war with Iran based on election fraud conspiracies from MAGA? 0: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116147572522796874 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1161475725227...
- stackedinserter 7mo agoGo America, go Israel, fuck ayatollahs.
- Ylpertnodi 7mo agoUn-redact the Epstein files.
- gnarlouse 7mo agoClassic playbook. This war will last the next three years. Trump admin will leak information and let Iranian cells in US cause terrorism, giving them the excuse to install domestic mass surveillance locally. They'll use that as a means to stay in power.
- gnarlouse 7mo agowhat's going on in the epstein files that he's bombing iran
- globalnode 7mo agothis global escalation will be the reason elections are cancelled.
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- aanet 7mo agoApropos of nothing in particular, back in the previous millennium, UNIX (and Linux) had the `fortune` command. It would spew out a "cookie" - a pithy one-/two-liner, usually funny, often thought-provoking, and sometimes offensive (when invoked with `fortune -o`) I had added it to my `motd`; it would give me a chuckle every time I logged in. One of the cookies I recall: A nuclear war can ruin your whole day. [1] And that's what I think of when I see this absurd new war. [1] http://fortunes.pbworks.com/w/page/14107138/politics http://fortunes.pbworks.com/w/page/14107138/politics
- chinathrow 7mo agoThat regime in the US. It is truly baffling.
- LarsDu88 7mo agoThe whole Anthropic DoW tiff was related to this, and folks were downvoting me even minutes before the first strike for making the connection: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47189853#47191060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47189853#47191060
- evan_ 7mo agoThey’re calling it Operation Epstein Fury
- throwaway20222 7mo agoEven HN is astroturfed to heck and filled with bots. The ratio of good faith informed dialog to Reddit like slop in these threads is wild. The old HN would never have such “obvious” black and white answers.
- jmward01 7mo agoOk. So we have just taken out all of Israel's foes with force. They are safe now right? We can stop supporting them militarily in every way now right? They no longer need any weapons, intelligence support, defense support, etc, right? If this is the right path to their long term safety then this must be true.
- nailer 7mo agoIranian regime was the entire middle east’s foe, including Irans. Speak to your local Persian.
- I-M-S 7mo agoIf by local you mean an émigré, they might be the worst person to ask.
- nailer 7mo agoPeople inside iran are echoing the same sentiments as the emigres.
- stevenhuang 7mo agoYou need to learn your history. The Iranian people have lived under oppressive authoritarianism for 40 years since the Iranian revolution. Putting it lightly, many Iranian (within Iran) do not support the current regime. Especially not the educated.
- markus_zhang 7mo agoFor sure a lot of people in Iran hate the regime. But given their 40 or so years of rule, I doubt they could achieve that without a strong basis. And yeah Iranians out of Iran definitely hate it too.
- catlikesshrimp 7mo agoTo take a break from breaking havoc in Gaza, there was an israeli incursion into Lebanon (which included a fantastic supply chain attack) Then they tried to pick a fight in Siria for some BS reason (intervening Siria for protecting some jew friendly faction inside Siria, a la Russia protecting russiansnin Ukraine), then went to Iran, then continued milling Gaza, and now we are back at Iran, again. No, support will never falther.
- martythemaniak 7mo agoIf Americans would like to better understand what it is that they actually did last year: https://www.liberalcurrents.com/killing-for-content/ https://www.liberalcurrents.com/killing-for-content/
- keernan 7mo agoRep Raskin said his search of the unredacted Epstein files found Trump listed more than one million times.[1] And just days ago it was discovered that documents involving FBI investigations into allegations by one or more victims against Epstein and Trump were not released by the DOJ.[2] I trust Trump still has time to testify to Congress about his connections to Epstein like others have been doing. Meanwhile yesterday: >>>the U.S. designated Iran as a “state sponsor of wrongful detention” and demanded that the country release any Americans in its detention.[3] You just can't make this shit up. 1: https://www.axios.com/2026/02/10/trump-epstein-files-jamie-raskin-unredacted https://www.axios.com/2026/02/10/trump-epstein-files-jamie-r... 2. https://www.npr.org/2026/02/24/nx-s1-5723968/epstein-files-trump-accusation-maxwell https://www.npr.org/2026/02/24/nx-s1-5723968/epstein-files-t... 3. https://au.news.yahoo.com/us-designates-iran-state-sponsor-032718193.html https://au.news.yahoo.com/us-designates-iran-state-sponsor-0...
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- CrzyLngPwd 7mo agoUSA, bombing for peace since bombs were invented.
- amelius 7mo agoWith maps: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g0pnnj8xyo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g0pnnj8xyo
- nasaeclipse 7mo agoAll I can do is sit here and sigh. The thing is, as sudden as this seems to the general public, this is something that takes months of planning. Having served in the Navy for eight years, I know that this kind of thing doesn't necessarily happen overnight. That doesn't mean it _couldn't_. The US military certainly does have the ability to plan a strike very quickly. But, most likely, this was planned behind closed doors. Based on the reports, I bet this was probably planned shortly after Trump took office. It just so happens that it's a good distraction from the Epstein files. I hate the direction this country's government is taking. It sucks. I just want to leave at some point. I don't want my family to grow up here anymore.
- lukan 7mo agoOf course there was a military plan for this since months, but that does not mean that plan was surely to be executed. (A likely option I assume) What I find worrying is the standard tactic seems to be to do negotiations, let the other side assume there is hope for a other solution - and then attack hard all of a sudden. Already the second time. It might be effective short term, but it erodes what is left of trust negotiating with the US.
- tim333 7mo agoThis one isn't all bad. From Trump's recent speech: >Finally, to the great proud people of Iran, I say tonight that the hour of your freedom is at hand It may not work but it's not a bad objective. My mum in the UK is a Bahai and a lot of those are refugees from Iran because they say be nice and tolerant and the Iranian government imprisons or kills them for so doing. Blasphemy etc. The are not a good lot.
- QuantumAtom 7mo agoI don't understand. I was under the impression that this a tech site. Why is there so much politics on here? What is all the rage bait. Are these bots or people who have inject politics and rage bait into every single place. Whatever you think of the Israel/Palestine conflict, maybe there can be places or website where some of us just want tech articles and interests.
- blahgeek 7mo agoSame. And I don’t understand why you are being down ranked. The HN guideline specifically stated that political news are not welcome, yet, this is the post with most comments in the front page. I didn’t come to HN for this
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- sriram_malhar 7mo agoWhy is no one calling it the Epstein War?
- avazhi 7mo agoIran: We are going to get nukes at any cost and wipe Israel and the United States off the face of the earth. It is our destiny. Israel and the US: You serious? Iran: Yes. ... Iran, after being bombed to a slightly earlier point of the Stone Age than they've spent the past ~50 years: We are working hard trying to find the guy responsible for this. FAFO, as they say. Meanwhile, literally the entire Middle East and the rest of the world besides Russia will be happy to see these clowns gone. Bon voyage.
- anjel 7mo agoIf some chinese samples of this unstoppable carrier killer made its way to Iran already. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iran-nears-deal-buy-supersonic-anti-ship-missiles-china-2026-02-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iran-nears-deal-buy-supe... Also, the US News media silence on this is noteworthy. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=reuters+cm-302+missile&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=reuters+cm-302+missile&ia=w...
- chasd00 7mo agoIf Iran sinks a carrier then the us congress will declare an actual war and that will seal Irans fate. Also, seal the fate of hundreds of thousands of lives.
- randunel 7mo agoSo US citizens like you actually expect other countries to accept being attacked by you without as little as defending themselves?
- anjel 7mo agoPlease show where I said anything of the sort?
- randunel 7mo agoYou are a us citizen and comment against the right of countries to defend themselves against the us. How come?
- anjel 7mo agoStill reading into my comment and intent. I simply posted as 1. an under-reported fact pertaining to matters of military strategy. 2. The lack of coverage in the US News Media BTW, you're also presumptuous AND mistaken about my nationality. As if nationality is a indicator or in your case a guarantee of a person's ideology.
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- wnevets 7mo agoNot a single person who claim Trump is a peace president will admit they are wrong.
- Bender 7mo agoTrump is indeed a peace president. He is shutting down the middle east PVP server. Iran has been attacking everyone for 47 years. That era is coming to an end. It's time to make Iran great again.
- dennysora 7mo agoI think everyone should stop being so nervous. How many times have the U.S. and Israel hit Iran over the past two years? And people still aren’t used to it? On Monday, the market might not even drop. In fact, a lot of people may want to buy the dip. Everyone hypes up the fear, the big players wait to scoop up bargains, and then what happens? Not only does it not fall, it rebounds instead. How many times have we seen this script already? And Iran? Every single time it’s just performance art. I’m already sick of watching it. Besides, Iran has been heavily sanctioned and blocked by the U.S. and Israel for so many years that its impact on the global economy is basically zero. So what the hell is there to dump over? Oil prices? Venezuela’s situation has already been dealt with. The U.S. can produce its own oil, Canada still has plenty of oil, and Russia is still selling at bargain-bin prices. Iran and the surrounding major oil-producing countries are barely even moving in sync, and there’s basically no real incentive for anything major to happen to oil. So why the hell would the market drop? As for all this fearmongering, I’d say go harder. Seriously, make it as apocalyptic as possible, so my gold can moon, I can pick up cheap Taiwan stocks, and short crypto, so I can completely clean out all the people panicking in fear.
- NoLinkToMe 7mo agoIran is the 5th biggest oil producer in the world. Not only that, it can cut-off the strait of Hormuz which 5 of the top 10 oil producers ship their oil through, including Saudi Arabia which is the nr 1 exporter. In earlier strikes Iran signaled it did not want to escalate. It warned US bases prior to its attack, and sent small symbolic strikes to pacify their base, while trying to de-escalate through all diplomatic channels. This time it looks different, Israel/US have targetted their president and political (religious) leader. There is hardly a more existential threat you can imagine for the current regime, so it will do everything in its power to strike back. If you put someone with his back on the wall and start a firing squad, don't expect a non-response. Beyond that it's the middle east, last time US tried regime change we had two decades of violence with 1m Iraqi's dead and ISIS rampaging in the region. It's a human catastrophe that people are worried about, not just stock markets. To come here and talk about your stocks is insane.
- comfysocks 7mo agoNot the first time Trump has wagged the dog. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_dog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_dog
- helaoban 7mo ago"Trump Rolls the Dice on Regime Change" (1) What a headline. Anybody else have this on their election day bingo card? Midterms should be a blood bath though, right? Right? (insert Anakin meme). 1. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/trump-rolls-the-dice-on-regime-change-with-a-massive-attack-on-iran-66b0cc69?mod=WSJ_home_supertoppermiddle_pos_1 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/trump-rolls-the-dice-o...
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- shykes 7mo agoThere are reports that Ali Khamenei has been killed: https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602280738 https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602280738
- sharadov 7mo agoMeanwhile Pakistan launched airstrikes on Afghanistan https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/feb/27/pakistan-afghanistan-taliban-war-cross-border-kabul-latest-news-updates https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/feb/27/pakistan-...
- consumer451 7mo agoTough news day for anyone who has a difficult time holding contradictory ideas in their mind. Pretty sure that includes myself. On the one hand, Trump is awful for the USA, and the world. On the other hand, there is a possibility that the freedom-wanting citizens of Iran finally have a slight chance of achieving their goal. The chance of something truly positive happening seems low. However, as someone who has, for years, watched what happens in Iran via the lens of https://old.reddit.com/r/newiran https://old.reddit.com/r/newiran, I am allowing myself the slightest amount of hope. Iranian people deserve it. Of course, there is a large chance of this blowing up into something really bad for everyone. edit: This Ukrainian is currently live streaming with OSINT, and his takes align with many of my actual realist thoughts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUdeA0zukq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUdeA0zukq4
- cdrnsf 7mo agoDestroying alliances that took decades to build and then initiating multiple ill-advised military incursions is quite the play.
- cdrnsf 7mo agoI can't name a single thing this administration has done well, or competently and this is no exception. Unless, of course, you count killing innocent people between military action, aid cuts and ICE.
- moogly 7mo ago[T]he War Department will not be distracted by democracy building interventionism, undefined wars, regime change, climate change, woke moralizing and feckless nation building. - Pete Hegseth, December 6, 2025[1] [1]: https://www.war.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/4354431/remarks-by-secretary-of-war-pete-hegseth-at-the-reagan-national-defense-forum-a/ https://www.war.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/4354431/rem...
- dzonga 7mo agoone thing though - food and oil supplies at risk - if the airspace and shipping lanes remain shut down for 1 month or more. people in the Middle East will literally starve and china will run out of fuel - though they've gone mostly electric
- simonsarris 7mo ago> though they've gone mostly electric Who on earth told you this? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-source-and-country?stackMode=absolute&country=~CHN https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-sou...
- namuol 7mo agoIt’s high time for regime change in the US.
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- nullorempty 7mo agoDoes this contribute to global warming? Are the governments waging war paying their CO2 tax? I'd think they emit slightly more than a cow's fart.
- AtlasBarfed 7mo agoWar is the ultimate distraction. Clinton bombed Serbia for 1/100th the severity of the Epstein files.
- throw_rust 7mo agoI thought the forever wars and quarrels with people we know nothing of were over?
- abdelhousni 7mo agoSaving private Epstein has a nice ring to it
- xannabxlle 7mo agoI'm tired of Israelis killing innocent people
- fortzi 7mo agoThen wake up
- csense 7mo agoIsrael and the US told Iran "Don't try to develop nukes or else." Iran tried to develop nukes and got bombed. Then Iran tried to develop nukes again. PotUS told Iran "Don't shoot the protestors or else." Iran shot the protestors. Iran chose to FAFO; "Or else" has now arrived. I don't like Trump and based on past bad experiences I'm not sure it's wise for the US to start a war in the Middle East. I feel sorry for the civilians caught in the middle, e.g. the ~50 Iranian schoolkids that ate a wayward bomb. People can legitimately criticize the US and Israel for that mistake, but if they do they need to also criticize Iran ~200 times harder for killing tens of thousands of protestors on purpose. I don't agree with people who think this war is illegitimate or Iran isn't the bad guy here.
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- yodsanklai 7mo ago> Then Iran tried to develop nukes again. Do we know that for a fact? or is it a lie just like Saddam's WMD. > PotUS told Iran "Don't shoot the protestors or else." Iran shot the protestors. Do you think Trump genuinely care about the protestors in Iran? > I don't agree with people who think this war is illegitimate or Iran isn't the bad guy here. Things can be more nuanced than the "good" versus the "bad" guys and bombing countries isn't always the best solution.
- lucketone 7mo agoCivilian applications require uranium at 3-20% enrichment. Iran had 60% enriched uranium (hundreds of kilograms) Weapons require 90%. Not exactly there, but way past electricity generation.
- broadsidepicnic 7mo agoI think I should refrain from commenting political posts, but this one has a possibility of being something major. However, looking at how the US president has abused power, silenced those who are against the draft dodging crybaby and his league of human trafficking millionaires, I feel this is yet another try to move focus from US domestic probs to something else. I see no honesty or greater reason for this attack or justification for it. While I'm no fan of Iran's autocratic regime, US is slipping towards into being one, as well. US president has now active war operations in Venezuela, soon lightning the Cuba situation on fire as well, not to forget planning to take Greenland and Canada, too. That's honestly not bad for the president of peace. Nobel committee should take a look at nominating this guy for a peace prize
- steve-atx-7600 7mo agoIt will easily be a victory for him. He's smarter that non-maga give him credit for. Bomb Iran with overwhelming force & it will be a media victory. That doesn't mean that it's right or wrong or that there won't be consequences. But, in the short term it will be a political win. Democrats are already taking the bait and saying that they are outraged that the supreme leader was whacked w/out congressional approval.
- neves 7mo agohttps://bsky.app/profile/70sbachchan.bsky.social/post/3mfwasq3iis2f https://bsky.app/profile/70sbachchan.bsky.social/post/3mfwas... Does anybody can trust andnegotiate with USA?
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- Waterluvian 7mo agoI suspect the Venn diagram of those who: 1) are aggrieved that America covers the bulk of the cost of world policing and 2) believe that America has a natural right to unilaterally determine foreign regime change, overlap greatly. I knew it was foolish, but I really was somewhat hopeful that the American regime’s stated doctrinal shift was true and they really were going to fuck right off from the world stage, even just a little. Naturally, we suffer the opposite.
- nemo44x 7mo agoOne leader was kidnapped and brought to America to face justice and another was killed in his own base and not a single American died. Wow.
- bigyabai 7mo ago> and not a single American died. That's an interesting scope of collateral damage.
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- duxup 7mo agohttps://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/255784560904773633?s=46 https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/255784560904773633?s=46
- yanhangyhy 7mo agoMany people might wonder why China doesn't step in to help Iran. From our perspective, we realized a long time ago that the Iranian government is too weak and fundamentally untrustworthy. They would sell out China's interests to curry favor with the United States, so China's cooperation with Iran is kept as free from political entanglements as possible. War is wrong, but at most China will sell some weapons—it won't get too involved."
- mna_ 7mo agoBased on recent events, China seems to be an all-round an unreliable ally. China did nothing for Venezuela when Maduro was kidnapped by the US, did nothing for Pakistan when India conducted airstrikes on Pakistani military bases, and now is doing nothing for Iran. You guys seem more like ruthless businessmen who are in it to solely make money and nothing else, and in that regard you guys are very similar to the Americans.
- yanhangyhy 7mo agokind of true.
- rKarpinski 7mo ago> but at most China will sell some weapons—it won't get too involved. In the Middle-east theatre, no telling what will happen in East Asia.
- tsoukase 7mo agoAfter 5000 years of human organised war history we are here: * the weapons can annihilate the world and extinguish civilization in a few hours * a massive asymmetry between the enemies in any metric is evident * the strikes and battles are surprisingly of small scale, targeted and not decisive Why on earth isn't the diplomacy used to solve the status after an imminent warning to make Iran an extension of Indian ocean with weapons of mass destruction?
- yfw 7mo agoTheres no one more at war with the us people than billionaires
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- jusonchan81 7mo agoUsing the game theory, shouldn’t the nice, forgiving and not being a pushover the winning strategy? I’ve always felt the US won trust and respect with these characteristics. It looks like we are now shifting strategy and I wonder where this will lead to.
- tim333 7mo agoThe US seems in practice to be doing more of a bomb the bad guys strategy. I guess that could work? It's a bit random - Trump's instinct seems to include attacking Canada and Denmark but he doesn't get buy in for those thankfully.
- SegfaultSeagull 7mo agoThe fall of the Iranian regime would be a strategic turning point not just for the Middle East, but globally. For more than four decades, the Islamic Republic has been one of the primary state sponsors of terror. Hezbollah is not an organic Lebanese movement — it is an Iranian creation. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad are sustained by Iranian money and weapons. The Houthis’ missile and drone capabilities exist because Tehran supplied and trained them. Shi’a militias in Iraq killed hundreds of Americans with Iranian-provided EFPs. Today, Iranian Shahed drones are striking Ukrainian apartment buildings. This is not passive instability. It is deliberate, systematic export of violence as state policy. At the same time, the regime has consistently pursued a nuclear capability while publicly calling for the destruction of Israel and “death to America.” Even if one assumes deterrence logic would hold, a nuclear umbrella for Iran would dramatically increase its freedom to escalate proxy warfare across the region. The downstream geopolitical effects are not hypothetical. Without Iranian drone and missile transfers, Russia’s ability to sustain certain strike campaigns in Ukraine would be materially degraded. Without heavily discounted Iranian oil shipments, China’s energy calculus shifts, particularly under sanctions pressure. Without Tehran’s funding pipelines, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis become far more constrained actors rather than semi-state militaries. There is also precedent for preventive action against nuclear programs. Israel’s 1981 strike on Iraq’s Osirak reactor (Operation Opera) was widely condemned at the time; decades later, most analysts agree it delayed Saddam Hussein’s nuclear ambitions. Likewise, Israel’s 2007 strike on Syria’s Al-Kibar reactor (Operation Orchard) prevented the Assad regime from developing a covert nuclear capability. Both operations were controversial in the moment and regarded as stabilizing in retrospect. Preventing a hostile regime from acquiring nuclear capability has historically proven wiser than managing it after the fact. Yes, regime change carries risk. So does allowing the world’s most aggressive revolutionary theocracy to entrench itself indefinitely while arming proxies from Beirut to Sana’a to Moscow. The status quo is not stable. It is violent by design. If a regime that funds terrorism on three continents, arms Russia during a European war, and openly seeks nuclear weapons is dismantled, history is unlikely to judge that harshly. It will likely judge it as overdue.
- squibonpig 7mo agoSorry if it isn't but there are multiple markers of AI writing.
- braebo 7mo agoSomeone do the US next we need regime change before the election seasons martial law plunges us into civil war.
- GypsyKing716 7mo agoIs there any need for developers in Iran for remote work to help the country's efforts to reconnect to the outside world?