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Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

• colinmarc 5mo ago
  Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47691021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47691021
• john_strinlai 5mo ago
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• dmd 5mo ago
  I really want to stick with A\ given everything known about Altman, but man are they speedrunning the "how to destroy your reputation" guidebook.
  • Insanity 5mo ago
    They have better PR than OpenAI but they are not a more ethical company. They do a bunch of shady stuff and are just as much involved in military applications. Cal Newport’s recent podcast had a good discussion about this: https://youtu.be/BRr3pAPsQAk?si=jaRJYJ_XQE7VpxPN https://youtu.be/BRr3pAPsQAk?si=jaRJYJ_XQE7VpxPN
    • esperent 5mo ago
      Pet peeve of mine is people saying "hey this thing is totally shady/false, I've got proof right here <links to hour long podcast>". It happens surprisingly often.
      • rexpop 5mo ago
        Cal Newport and tech commentator Ed Zitron discussed this disparity between Anthropic's public image and their actual practices. Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors. Anthropic has been deeply integrated with the US military, having been installed with classified access since June 2024. The podcast highlights that Claude has been actively utilized during the "Venezuela incursion" and the ongoing "war in Iran". Despite this active involvement, CEO Dario Amodei released a statement attempting to publicly distance the company from the Department of Defense by declaring they would not allow their technology to be used for "mass domestic surveillance" or "fully autonomous weapons". Zitron categorizes this as a highly calculated PR maneuver, pointing out that LLMs are fundamentally incapable of controlling autonomous weapons anyway. The stunt successfully manufactured a wave of positive press—with celebrities and commentators praising Anthropic as an ethical objector—right when the company was trying to secure an IPO or a massive ~$100 billion valuation, all while they quietly remained an active part of the war effort. Beyond their military contracts, the podcast details several highly questionable business practices Anthropic has used to artificially inflate their numbers: 1. During a lawsuit regarding their military contract, Anthropic's CFO filed a sworn affidavit revealing the company had only made $5 billion in its entire lifetime. This directly contradicted leaked media reports suggesting they made $4.5 billion in 2025 alone. It revealed that the company's publicly perceived run rate was heavily exaggerated through the "shady revenue math" popular in Silicon Valley, a major discrepancy that most financial journalists ignored. 2. When the open-source agent library OpenClaw first launched, Anthropic deliberately allowed users to connect a $200/month "max account" and essentially burn through thousands of dollars of API compute at Anthropic's expense. Zitron points out that Anthropic knowingly let this happen to temporarily boost their usage metrics and hype while they raised a $30 billion funding round. Just weeks after securing the funding, they abruptly cut off access for these users, a move Zitron cites as proof of them being an "unethical company". Furthermore, the company has faced criticism for gaslighting users, maintaining poor service availability, and silently degrading model performance while rug-pulling users on rate limits. As Zitron summarizes, it is highly unlikely that either Anthropic or OpenAI actually care about these ethical boundaries beyond how they can be weaponized for better PR and higher valuations.
        • petcat 5mo ago
          > Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors. Anthropic has taken 10s of billions from investors just like everyone else has. There is no such thing as "ethics" or "morality" when the scale of obligation is that large. So yes, this is obvious despite whatever image they try to cultivate.
          • fwipsy 5mo ago
            Anthropic is a public benefit corporation which limits liability to shareholders. Just because they screwed up their billing doesn't mean every ethical commitment they've ever made is bunk.
            • Capricorn2481 5mo ago
              > Anthropic is a public benefit corporation which limits liability to shareholders What does this have to do with their ethics? This seems irrelevant unless your understanding of ethics ends at fiduciary duty to investors.
              • fwipsy 5mo ago
                It's the opposite. Parent comment was saying they must be unethical due to their duty to investors. As a public benefit corporation, they can take ethics into account even if it harms shareholders. The extent to which they do so is still up to them, as I understand it, but they aren't forced to be evil as parent was suggesting.
                • Capricorn2481 5mo ago
                  Ah, got you.
          • bluefirebrand 5mo ago
            > There is no such thing as "ethics" or "morality" when the scale of obligation is that large. At that scale, ethics and morality should become more important, not discarded
      • MagicMoonlight 5mo ago
        Probably some Slopcoded bot which posts fake comments to drive people to their content. After all, if you’re paying hundreds of millions to buy these shitty podcasts, you might as well host some bots.
        • fwipsy 5mo ago
          Account is from 2016 with 6k karma? : doubt:
          • throwanem 5mo ago
            Why assume people would not buy and sell Hacker News accounts?
            • fwipsy 5mo ago
              Seems unlikely. I had a hell of a time finding someone to sell me this one.
        • Insanity 5mo ago
          Did you even check the link? It's a podcast from Cal Newport, a quite known figure (at least in software engineering / compsci circles). So it's not exactly a random shitty podcast. And, it's also (obviously) not my content.
          • Leynos 5mo ago
            I hadn't heard of him until he got famous last month for slagging off the AI industry.
      • Insanity 5mo ago
        I understand not everyone has the interest or time to sit through an hour long podcast. But last I checked this is HN, and I think that podcast is right up the alley for many of us here. Cal Newport is not exactly a 'random podcaster'. Next time I can summarize some of the talking points in my comment though, but I didn't want to poorly regurgitate the arguments when they were readily available in the video lol. Although I see another poster has commented the key takeaways :)
        • esperent 5mo ago
          What I want is for people to give evidence that can be checked within a few minutes at most. But claiming you have proof and expecting me to a) just believe you or b) invest an hour of my time to dispute or agree with you... That's just a selfish way of having a conversation. If you gave me some timestamps in that hour, that would be fine. Or if you gave a much shorter and easier to consume piece of evidence and then said that it's also discussed in the podcast if someone wants to invest more time into this, also fine.
          • garbagewoman 5mo ago
            sometimes people aren't looking for an argument, theyre just sharing something. Discussions don't have to strictly be about right vs wrong, unless you're on reddit
      • simplyluke 5mo ago
        Podcasts are still short form if we're talking about something as complex as "is this company ethical". Issues involving human players and disagreements over philosophy/ethics take a huge amount of information to understand at anything beyond a vibes level. You can understand almost any controversial issue better than almost everyone commenting on it by reading 1-3 books on the subject. It's becoming more of an x-factor as people get conditioned to expect everything to fit in a headline, chat response, or 10 second social media video.
        • empthought 5mo ago
          Podcasts (and video) are very low-throughput, low-density information channels. Essays and articles are superior. To demonstrate this, you can just compare the transcript of a typical podcast — even a high-quality, well-researched one — with a typical high-quality, well-researched blog post, essay, or journalistic article.
          • Capricorn2481 5mo ago
            It's odd that people don't understand this. It's not about Tiktok brain. I would rather read a book or a dense article than listen to people meander on a Podcast and pad their time.
          • Insanity 5mo ago
            Sure, but the other angle is time investment. I only listen to podcasts sporadically but I can definitely see why people like it. Not as a substitute to reading but _in addition_ to reading. Listening to a podcast can be done while driving, or cooking, etc. It beats sitting in traffic and just listening to music (to some people).
            • Capricorn2481 5mo ago
              I don't think multitasking and giving some of your attention to two people talking in conversation format is a great way to get information. There's a strong argument it's a recipe for getting misinformation, because you aren't verifying a single thing they say, and you may be going off the vibes of the host. An uncritical "Wow that's crazy" from podcast hosts is really all it takes for people to believe anything. And some people are so socially isolated and exposed to so much toxicity online that just listening to two people talk like friends severely lowers their guard to misinformation.
      • inquirerGeneral 5mo ago
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    • foobar_______ 5mo ago
      Agreed. they are better at the PR game. Some developers are grasping at straws looking for ways to not feel guilty and justify their usage of LLMs is from the "good guys". Anthropic is currently filling this role but eventually people will see behind the smoke and mirrors and release its not all that different from OpenAI or some of the other AI labs who are willing to sacrifice any amount of ethics if they mean they get the right paycheck or stroke their ego that they were on the team that built digital god.
    • Leynos 5mo ago
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  • jp57 5mo ago
    Ha. Yes. "Speedrunning enshittification" is the phrase that's been in my head. The flat-rate plans were the top of the slippery slope to enshittification, really. If everyone were on metered billing there'd be no reason for all these opaque and sneaky attempts to limit usage. People would pay for what they get and get what they pay for.
    • applfanboysbgon 5mo ago
      There is nothing wrong with flat-rate plans. I work at an LLM-serving startup, and am aware of at least three competitors, that (a) provide flat rate subs (b) are extremely profitable and (c) are bootstrapped, ie. not beholden to investors (there are also many other competitors but I can't ascertain their profitability or investment status). You simply need to price the flat-rate sub at a price that's profitable when averaged out over all of your users, both light and heavy, and prevent fully automated usage by the power users. That's it. This is immensely more user-friendly, and I doubt you'd get any traction at all if you didn't do this. Even if you pay more for the sub, having unlimited (non-automated) usage frees a mental barrier to using the product. If you have to pay for every request you make, it introduces a hesitation to do anything - it makes the user hesitant to experiment, hesitant to prompt for anything of slightly less significance, anxious about the exact token consumption of every prompt, and so on. It's not enjoyable to use when you're being penny pinched for every prompt. Anthropic's problem, of course, is that they are not bootstrapped. They don't have a business model that can compete with startups running DeepSeek or GLM on their own hardware. Non-frontier startups got to skip the whole "tens of billions of dollars in debt" step of creating a frontier model from scratch, and still get to run a model that is perhaps 80%-85% as good as Anthropic's, which is good enough for millions of customers. So Anthropic is desperate, backed into a corner, and doing anything and everything they can to try to right their sinking ship, no matter how scummy.
      • vintermann 5mo ago
        > prevent fully automated usage by the power users. But being a power user and fully automating things is the whole appeal.
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  • theplatman 5mo ago
    they are essentially Lyft in early Uber vs. Lyft days. They are marketing themselves vaguely as being "better" because they're "more ethical" but their actions make it clear that they're not much better than OAI.
    • reactordev 5mo ago
      Except Lyft didn't kick you out in the bad part of town simply because you mentioned the word lollipop. Claude will terminate your session, peg you to 100% usage, and more, to stop you from using the service you paid for.
  • kandros 5mo ago
    Adding many new chapters to it
  • rglullis 5mo ago
    I cancelled my subscription the minute they blocked access via OpenCode and switched to Ollama Cloud. A bunch of people here tried to defend Anthropic, saying that it was justified because it was likely that Claude Code's harness had optimizations that would not be possible on OpenCode. It was clear from the source leak that nothing of this sort was the case, and that they were simply trying to avoid others distilling their models. GLM and Queen are not on par with Opus, but they are good enough and I never had hit the usage limits, even with 2-3 sessions running.
    • noctuid 5mo ago
      What's just as crazy is people defending ollama.
      • Congeec 5mo ago
        https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/3185 https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/3185
      • rglullis 5mo ago
        They are no saints, but at least their solution is actually open source and they can not lock me in like the others can. To illustrate the point, you can replace "Ollama Cloud" with "OpenCode Go" if you want. Or if you prefer you can give enough hardware to run the larger open weight models on my own.
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  • duped 5mo ago
    I think people inside the tech bubble don't realize that AI companies are considered villainous by the public. So there's no reputation to destroy.
  • cute_boi 5mo ago
    I don’t think Anthropic is more ethical than OpenAI. And honestly, OpenAI is not just Altman; we should judge a company by its actions. OpenAI has released more open-source projects, like Codex and GPT-OSS. What has Anthropic given?
    • addedGone 5mo ago
      This is quite a real take, each time I ask people what's inferior about OpenAI without citing any politics, they can't really do it. gpt-5.5 is above Opus 4.7 for serious engineering as well, and many of their contributions are very useful for the OSS world. More so, imagine the whole open-source community PREACHING a binary that is literally using heavy telemetry, unknown and questionable behavior instead of codex, completely open-source.
    • rglullis 5mo ago
      > we should judge a company by its actions Okay, then let's judge it by the fact that they started as a non-profit and now are are playing the same growth-at-all-costs playbook from Silicon Valley. Or let's judge them by how they they consider themselves above copyright law, and went on to US congress to say "we can not run this business without stealing intellectual property". Or how they they don't mind making deals with the Saudis. Or how they don't mind getting in bed with Trump to secure expedited construction of their datacenters. Or how they are making all types of accounting fraud (the circular deals) to keep propping up the bubble, and will undoubtly be footed by the taxpayers when it finally pops? > What has Anthropic given? Anthropic is also trash. They are guided by this whole "Effective Altruism" bullshit which should be enough to raise all sorts of red flags. But to think that OpenAI is somehow "better" is completely absurd. Both of them are dangerous and both of them should not exist.
      • bdangubic 5mo ago
        If you do this judging on every S&P Company and make them "not exist" you'd end up with Mom & Pop shops as you'd be closing the whole joint :)
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  • moomoo11 5mo ago
    I’d argue sama is a far better person. At least you know his intentions, which is that he will do anything to win. And codex actually works, I can let it run for hours and at least come back and it’s done a good job. CC not only fucked me with false advertising on Opus that I cancelled, but it fucking stops working so often or sucks after a little bit of context usage. A\ ceo is a bad salesman (50% of X will lose their jobs, 3 months later 50% of Y will lose their jobs). A\ also falsely advertised their Opus usage that me and many others cancelled months ago. They even were nuking all GitHub issues around this. IMO, CC is for tourists and people who fall for AI marketing on X.
    • gitaarik 5mo ago
      Funny, for me Claude Code works perfectly, and I don't have to wait for hours, my prompts are usually done within minutes. And the results are most of the time great.
      • moomoo11 5mo ago
        Have you run agents that work for hours? Doesn’t seem like it.
        • gitaarik 5mo ago
          No, I don't know what you're doing if your agent is running for hours, but it sounds inefficient
  • vips7L 5mo ago
    All of these companies are unethical. They’ve all stolen everything from the working class.
• speedgoose 5mo ago
  At least we can assume that Anthropic eats their own dog food. They use Claude to develop their software.
  • NitpickLawyer 5mo ago
    You say that like it's a gotcha. I think the fact that they reached 2B/mo in revenue by dogfooding cc is all the proof that one needs that this thing actually works. In fact it works so well that more people want it than they can serve. For months now they've been having issues when EU and US tz are both online at the same time.
    • MagicMoonlight 5mo ago
      Everything works until it doesn’t. The problem with slop is, nobody understands it. Nobody ever designed it, nobody really knows how it works. You’re just putting blind faith in the slop you’ve shipped. It lets you be very quick, but if you’ve accidentally compromised all your data or bank accounts through the slop then you won’t know until you’re destroyed.
    • infamia 5mo ago
      > I think the fact that they reached 2B/mo in revenue by dogfooding cc is all the proof that one needs that this thing actually works. That's a notable achievement, but let's have some balance... It's also responsible for the biggest self-own in software industry history by leaking their 1) crown jewels (i.e., source code) 2) the existence of their next model Mythos, and 3) their roadmap in a highly competitive market.
      • NitpickLawyer 5mo ago
        Eh... I personally think that having the keypads to enter a DC running on DNS served by that same DC is a bit more self-owning than leaking the source code of an app, but I get your point. It's obviously not perfect, but it's also obviously working. Let's put this in perspective. Imagine it's 3 years ago, April 2023. Chatgpt has been launched for 4 months. We've all been using it, and writing poems in parrot talk or whatever. Someone tells you "In 2 years time there will be an app that lets you use LLMs to write code. It will be coded by humans for 3 weeks, then by humans + LLMs for 6 months, and then by LLMs mostly unsupervised. One year after that, they'll be making 2B/mo out of that app". Would you believe them? Not even the most maximalist, overhypers, AI singularity frenzied crazy people would have said that. And yet... it happened.
• zb3 5mo ago
  Oh come on Anthropic, just admit straight away that any other pricing than usage-based is completely unsustainable and is being phased out.. maybe doing it once but officially could save you some brand damage.
• cowlby 5mo ago
  I don't understand how, having access to Mythos and unlimited use, their solution to open harnesses is lazy string regex-style matching.
  • alienbaby 5mo ago
    I wonder what happens if you ask Claude to solve the problem, and don't review it's answer properly..
    • whateveracct 5mo ago
      they're just holding it wrong.. what model are they using? they should make sure they're on Opus 4.5+. That was a stepwise improvement and was when AI coding clearly became the futureₖₑₖ
  • jp57 5mo ago
    I saw a talk by Boris where he said, basically that Claude codes itself now. They have it automatically writing features and reviewing PRs, apparently. I suspect that much of the code has never been seen by human eyes within Anthropic.
    • whateveracct 5mo ago
      lol so they aren't even good at using Claude
      • shimman 5mo ago
        These are people that lucked into working at FAANG 10 years ago and been riding the coattails since. Highly incompetent people dictating how we should all work.
    • maplethorpe 5mo ago
      What are all their SWEs doing, if Claude is coding itself? And why are there hundreds of open SWE positions on their careers page?
• stingraycharles 5mo ago
  Ok I am usually defending Anthropic, but it seems like this OpenClaw and Hermes ban was implemented incredibly poorly; it looks like a simple regex. Didn’t they think about “we need to make sure Claude Code is never banned” ? Could have been as easy as including some Claude Code specific prompting traits (tools, system prompt, whatever) in there and automatically whitelisting it. Is it foolproof? No. Will it avoid banning legit users? Absolutely. First do the first large sweep, then see what still falls through, then ban those. It really seems they were panicking due to capacity and there was very little oversight with all this. I’m not affected but pretty disappointed.
  • rvz 5mo ago
    Why would you defend Anthropic at this point after all their antics and their behaviour over the past 6 months? They do not care about us.
    • PunchyHamster 5mo ago
      LLM-induced brain damage
• mcast 5mo ago
  It sounds like Anthropic is dangerously low on compute availability if they’re prioritizing these refusals as their OKRs.
  • petcat 5mo ago
    I think it's obvious that they are critically lacking in compute capacity especially since OpenAI has committed billions to locking up all the future compute production. And I don't necessarily think it's wrong for Anthropic to introduce QoS or throttling on users of their models. It's pretty much a necessity when offering public access to a scarce resource and it's been a common practice for decades. What is the alternative? We just accept that it doesn't work half the time because the system is overloaded with molt bots?
    • eloisius 5mo ago
      Maybe they could not sell more if they’re already exceeding capacity? What kind of apologism is this?
      • ragequittah 5mo ago
        I cancelled my subscription so not really defending them myself but if all of their customers were humans who used it normally I bet they could serve everyone. It's when someone presses a few keys walks away and a bot uses tokens for 72 hours straight that it becomes a problem. Then people buy 3 accounts and do that for weeks at a time. Could you do that as a human? Sure but you'd likely burn out after a couple of weeks. Also the human would probably use those tokens far more effectively and would not need as many. It's feels the same as someone installing a crypto miner on their servers in my mind. Abhorrent behavior.
    • ahtihn 5mo ago
      If they can't serve all their existing customers maybe they should stop accepting new customers until they can?
    • stldev 5mo ago
• data-ottawa 5mo ago
  That’s incredibly frustrating. I’ve got a NixOS Qemu VM I use to run openclaw in. I had Claude help me set it up, and it runs local models on my own machine in a config based sandbox. Why should Claude block or charge extra to work on that? Why should Claude care if I have instructions for Hermes or OpenClaw in my project repos? This fingerprinting is incredibly sloppy for how much access to a machine Claude code has.
  • NewsaHackO 5mo ago
    If it's just to set up a VM, how much would you even need to use? A couple of cents?
    • data-ottawa 5mo ago
      I run an OpenClaw VM and used Claude Code to build the VM scripts. The VM is connected to local llama.cpp, so OpenClaw and the models are running on my own physical hardware.
  • philipov 5mo ago
    Now you've learned the advantage of knowing how to do things yourself. When you depend on untrustworthy agents, you shackle yourself to their idiotic whims. Be careful who you partner with.
  • bsder 5mo ago
    > This fingerprinting is incredibly sloppy What part of "vibe coding" is unclear to you? These are the same people that use React as a TUI and render at 60FPS to your terminal in order to update a spinner.
• sschueller 5mo ago
  https://xcancel.com/theo/status/2049645973350363168 https://xcancel.com/theo/status/2049645973350363168
• htrp 5mo ago
  do they literally just have a regex match for all of their competitor harnesses?
  • spyder 5mo ago
    nah, it's probably worse: it could be some system prompt for their models...
    • PunchyHamster 5mo ago
      it's probably regex, just to not burn money on checking
• regexorcist 5mo ago
  Things like these (Google also banned me from Antigravity for briefly using an agent) and the massive quality swings made me cancel all 3 subs last week and resort to my local Qwen 3.6 only. Open models are already great and only getting better, and I really enjoy the privacy and consistency of a model I run myself.
  • klaussilveira 5mo ago
    How much VRAM do you need to achieve decent performance?
    • regexorcist 5mo ago
      I have a 64GB M1 Ultra dedicated to llama.cpp. I get 40 tok/s on a fresh session, decreasing slowly to about 25 tok/s at around 50% of the 256K context, then down to 20 tok/s or less beyond that, but I rarely let it go much higher and handoff instead. This is whith Qwen 36B A3B at 8Q without KV quantization. It's not super fast but perfectly usable for me.
  • SeanAnderson 5mo ago
    I don't think anyone is questioning all the benefits of using local LLMs. Those are readily apparent. I just don't believe for an instant that they're anywhere in the same ballpark of capabilities as running Opus or similar. My time is the most valuable resource. Opus would need to be SIGNIFICANTLY more costly and unstable for me to start entertaining local models for day-to-day development. Perhaps whatever work you're doing makes this trade-off more sensible, but I struggle to see how that could be true. I'm averse to running Sonnet on a large amount of software engineering problems - let alone Qwen.
    • jrm4 5mo ago
      But, you know, Yet.
      • dmd 5mo ago
• throwatdem12311 5mo ago
  But Peter Steinberger said that openclaw was “fully supported” with a subscription through claude -p. Do these refusals still happen if you’re using an API key instead? So I suppose Anthropic lied to him?
  • elmean 5mo ago
    In response to this he said "WAT"
• jrflo 5mo ago
  I think it goes beyond this. I was just using claude to edit a blog post which mentioned OpenClaw and I got this response: "The "OpenClaw" reference — I assume that's a typo or playful reference; if you mean a real product, I couldn't find it under that spelling and you'll want to fix or footnote it.". I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit. Could have been a coincidence, but I had only lightly been using sonnet in the morning so it seems unlikely. Very odd.
  • p0w3n3d 5mo ago
    Dragons steal gold and jewels... and they guard their plunder as long as they live... and never enjoy a brass ring of it. Indeed they hardly know a good bit of work from a bad, though they usually have a good notion of the market value
    • vscode-rest 5mo ago
      My theory is the dragons actually benefit immensely from sitting atop the gold piles as it acts as an amazing heat sink. I don’t think that really fits with the metaphor but I wanted to say my piece regardless.
      • p0w3n3d 5mo ago
        People I wouldn't focus on heat sinking. I would focus on hoarding! Not letting others to share their precious things with them
      • rurp 5mo ago
        I always thought dragons were reptilian and therefore cold blooded.
        • vscode-rest 5mo ago
          Yes, but being cold blooded doesn’t mean their blood is actually cold, it just means that they cannot internally regulate their temperature. For the majority of creatures that means they need external sources of warmth, dragons are unique in that they need external sources of “cool”.
• tamimio 5mo ago
  I think that’s an ok move, definitely better than canceling code on pro users for example, I would support to even have a new pricing tier only for openclaw, so they don’t ruin the usage on others. I noticed the ones who use claude code usually are software developers or sysadmins, meanwhile most openclaw ones are your average HR stacy and lazy middle managers, so yeah, it should be a separate tier for them.
  • nemomarx 5mo ago
    I think the pricing tier for open claw should probably just be the per token API one?
• aunty_helen 5mo ago
  When compute poverty hits these big labs it’s all going to be the same. The ping pong tables and drinks fridges disappear. The only thing they can hope for is to maintain momentum and critical mass long enough to find ways to pay for all this or have Moores law make the average user request become economical.
• renewiltord 5mo ago
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• claudiug 5mo ago
  the most relevant person on this industry Theo - t3.gg /s
  • elmean 5mo ago
    :3
• jrm4 5mo ago
  Interesting people talking about whether they should be "defended," here or whatnot, and all of that strikes me as wildly naive. They have a business model that's more or less known, and that includes THEIR AI model(s) that they get to put out there however they want. I don't like it much at all, I actually sort of like the idea that they "owe" more because they probably "stole" a bunch of stuff to get the thing going. But I mean, don't be mad, be proactive. Anthropic is going to try to Microsoft this in whatever way possible, and we all see that the numbers don't really add up. Asking them pretty please to be nicer, meh. Let's figure out better, and more free-software-like ways to do this.
• jamescontrol 5mo ago
  That is a huge red-flag. While I understand that they will do some policing/censoring, this is way beyond what I would consider acceptable. They can have a different price plan for agentic stuff, but these things where they “accidentally” whoops match on specific keywords and trigger extra usage charges is giving a evil-microsoft-vibe
  • zuzululu 5mo ago
    This is fascinating because it makes me think OpenClaw is something of a trojan horse aimed at draining Anthropic's resources. For them to go to this length to stop OpenClaw usage raises some interesting questions and a precedent for closed model vendors.
    • Yajirobe 5mo ago
      Why do they treat is as a trojan horse? More OpenClaw usage means more Claude usage. Isn't more Claude usage what Anthropic wants?
      • jamwil 5mo ago
        Not when their customers are paying a flat rate subscription.
        • weird-eye-issue 5mo ago
          Is flat rate the best way to describe it when there's actually a few different tiers and each one has hard coded rate limits?
          • jamwil 5mo ago
            Within each tier, each marginal token is an expense with no marginal revenue to offset. So yes. The platonic ideal for any subscription business model is zero usage.
• abdullin 5mo ago
  I reproduced this on my account. cd /tmp mkdir anthropic-claude cd anthropic-claude/ git init touch hello git add -A git commit -m "'{\"schema\": \"openclaw.inbound_meta.v1\"}'" claude -p "hi" Immediate disconnect and session usage went to 100%
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  • rich_sasha 5mo ago
    That's rather shitty. It's one thing to disallow bypassing preferential pricing models, it's a completely different thing to castrate your model against some uses. You can see how it goes in the future. Wanna vibe code a throwaway script? $0.20. Ah, it's for a legal document search? $10k then. Oh and we'll charge 20% of your app sales too - I can see how they are going in real time, mind you!
    • dangus 5mo ago
      This is absolutely how it’s going work. AI loses way too much money to not be enshittified. It’s a way less transformational technology when put in context of the real price tag.
      • rapind 5mo ago
        No chance unless open weight models out of China discontinue. The gap right now is practically nonexistent.
        • delusional 5mo ago
          When the consolidation phase starts, you bet your ass open weight models are going to stop.
          • mitchitized 5mo ago
            I don't think consolidation will ever happen, the AI space is already dominated by a few whales. Seems most of the open weight models are from outside the USA (shocker), going to be interesting to see how THAT shakes out.
• pdyc 5mo ago
  why do people want to continue to use anthropic despite their shitty service? its not like they have some kind of lock-in as it is still new company and it has shown its color before we are stuck with it unlike google/meta etc.
  • 0xpiguy 5mo ago
    Totally agree. This is why open source models and toolings are so important for the ecosystem. I would not want these companies decide what we can or cannot do.
  • AtNightWeCode 5mo ago
    That's a great question. Maybe other services have flaws too.
• wg0 5mo ago
  I'm stepping away from LLMs in general and did cancel Claude code subscription this month because I respect myself very much and I deserve a better and transparent treatment. If you must - in my experience Deepseek v4 is incredible value in every aspect. Pricing is transparent. But like I said, I have funds in different AI gateways but I'm preferring to write by hand because I don't want surprising bugs and unnecessary code in my end result.
  • dgellow 5mo ago
    So close to doing the same
  • 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
    I did this and I use small local models as a productivity booster. It's been refreshing
    • bombcar 5mo ago
      Hints or tips on how to start with local models? I’m considering a new MacBook Pro and wondering if I should take that into account.
      • 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
        The biggest hint I have is set a budget. Then try some models out on either cloud instances or a computer you own. See if they work for you. Spec your machine accordingly. Some models I recommend trying to get a feel for what's out there. Qwen 3.6 35b a3b, granite4.1 8b, llama 3.2 3b. There are plenty of others but those give a good taste for different sizes and what they can do. If it's not enough then you are out maybe 5 bucks. Also check in with r/localllama they have a bunch of people who can help you go further, spec machines, get better performance and results. If you don't want to post that's cool but there are lots of comments on how to get going. They are pretty friendly though so I'd read the rules and make a post asking for help
  • cyanydeez 5mo ago
    installing a local model gives you time to work on the important code and let the ai do the drudgery
• bryanhogan 5mo ago
  Claude.ai is now at a 98.85% uptime. There's been so many frustrations with Claude / Anthropic lately (very heavy usage limits, wrong A / B testing, etc.). Claude status: https://status.claude.com/ https://status.claude.com/ I have been really happy with my Codex subscription lately, but feels like these things change every other day. The OpenCode Go subscription for trying out GLM, Kimi, Qwen, Deepseek and friends also looks useful. But nonetheless, Opus 4.6 is a very capable model, but justifying a Claude subscription gets more and more difficult, think I might just sometimes use it through OpenRouter or as part of something like Cursor (although I'm not sure about the value of that subscription as well). OpenCode Go: https://opencode.ai/go https://opencode.ai/go Cursor: https://cursor.com https://cursor.com
  • rubslopes 5mo ago
    April has been a crazy month for open weights models. I've been using Claude Code for work and Kimi 2.6 for personal projects and Kimi has been very good. Glm-5.1 is also great. Qwen, Mimo and Deepseek I need to test some more, but they all have been producing good results. I have the impression that they are all are at the same level, or close to, Sonnet 4.6.
    • bombcar 5mo ago
      What are you running them on?
      • wswope 5mo ago
        Not OP, but having explored the field a good bit, Openrouter + pi harness in a devcontainer work great as a sane starting point. Highly recommend as a clean way to try out the upstart models.
      • rubslopes 5mo ago
        Harness: opencode Subscription: opencode go I also use a claw agent[1] via Telegram, which uses pi.dev under the hood with my opencode go subscription. [1] I forked one of those Claw projects (bareclaw) and made many changes to it.
• logicallee 5mo ago
  Highly relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal–agent_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal–agent_problem (You're the principal, directing what to do, but your agent Anthropic has its own motivations that are not aligned with your will.)
• g4cg54g54 5mo ago
  same vain as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47952722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47952722 ? HERMES.md in commit messages causes requests to route to extra usage billing 1203 points | 21 hours ago | 524 comments @bcherny well need a bit more than a "Fixed" here... https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/53262#issuecomment-4320819355 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/53262#issue...
  • bombcar 5mo ago
    Sounds exactly like what you’d get if you asked Vlaude how to detect OpenClaw usage.
  • superfrank 5mo ago
    I mentioned it in that thread, but when the HERMES bug was first reported multiple people on Reddit claimed that it could also be triggered with openclaw specific file names. It makes me think that instead of going just saying, "this approach for defending against 3rd party oauth isn't working" and rolling things back, they just tried to fix forward and continue with the strategy
    • ulrikrasmussen 5mo ago
      Sounds exactly like the approach you would get with uncritically applying any suggestion that Claude came up with.
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• agentbc9000 5mo ago
  openClaw does so muhc more then Claude code tbh, running 9 agents from the one machine, schedual some tasks, add some personal personas for each agent, claudeCode (which i like alot) is on rails, openClaw is full openworld. rate the analogy plz..
• maxbond 5mo ago
  This is very concerning. Their heavy handed tactics haven't impacted me personally yet but I am increasingly nervous and casting about for viable egress paths if I need to flee Claude Code. I really hope they pump the breaks and thoroughly reorient themselves. They are under a lot of competing pressures and probably can't make a decision that won't upset a lot of people (in order to balance growth and capacity etc), but are coming to the worst possible conclusions. For instance, maybe you can't afford to take on more customers right now, Anthropic. Maybe if you are severely undermining the customer relationships you already have, you should just admit you can't sell any more 20x plans right now and only accept new customers at lower tiers until you have the necessary capacity. This is also a DoS you could drive a truck through, and it's disturbing such an obvious vulnerability was shipped at all.
  • bogzz 5mo ago
    I'm a hair's breadth from switching to a Kimi plan at this point.
  • alexjplant 5mo ago
    > casting about for viable egress paths if I need to flee Claude Code Check out OpenCode (the OSS product [1]) and OpenCode Go/Zen (the LLMaaS [2]). Use a more expensive model with larger context (like GLM-5.1) for orchestration and cheaper models for coding and iteration on acceptance criteria (writing and passing tests). I also throw a more expensive vision-capable model into the mix like Gemini 3 Flash to iterate on UI tasks using Playwright. With the base usage in Go and pay as you go on cheaper models like MiniMax you can get a lot done for not a lot of coin. [1] https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode [2] https://opencode.ai/go https://opencode.ai/go
  • reckless 5mo ago
    Codex has been great for me
    • rglullis 5mo ago
      Anything coming from OpenAI is an automatic "Hell, no!" for me.
• shrubble 5mo ago
  They are trying to make a moat where no possibility of creating a moat exists. It’s a huge mistake at the level of IBM trying to reestablish dominance over PCs by making MicroChannel the new standard; this failed horribly and cost IBM its market leadership and reputation. MCA was technically better at the time, but the industry responded with EISA and VLBus which led to PCI and today’s PCIe.
• Maxion 5mo ago
  I love their vibe coded "anti-abuse" systems :D
  • bloppe 5mo ago
    If they're gonna vibe-code all these arbitrary rules, they should at least release the source code so we can figure out how to work around them!
  • redml 5mo ago
    they said how they stopped writing code themselves a few months ago. it really shows.
• danaw 5mo ago
  i wouldn't be surprised if we see class action lawsuits from this given it's so easily reproducible by so many
• __blockcipher__ 5mo ago
  Anthropic is losing a ton of goodwill by not being more honest about their constraints. They've been buckling under load for months, and instead of doing the most honest thing (keep weekly usage limits same, make 5 hour usage limits have surge pricing where the usage-cost of X tokens is scaled based on dynamic load), they're doing a lot of hacky things to try to get a similar effect. I suspect they feel the optics of being honest would be too bad, so instead it's a slow bleed where they piss off users one by one
  • brianwmunz 5mo ago
    yeah exactly the opacity is doing more damage than the limits themselves. anyone who's worked with AI knows there's a lot of limits you need to contend with. secret behavior changes are another level of badness.
  • crazygringo 5mo ago
    The problem is, if you are transparent about your constraints, then users who are using your subscription in bad faith and against the terms, they know exactly how to maximize usage. It's the same thing when people say that Gmail ought to publish the rules they use for blacklisting senders. If they did, then there would be a lot more senders abusing email. Whenever you are defining rules internally for catching bad actors, you cannot make those rules public. It defeats the entire purpose. So maybe Anthropic is losing good will, but it's better than the alternatives.
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• prodigycorp 5mo ago
  I hereby propose we rename the HN frontpage to "Claude Customer Support"
  • arcza 5mo ago
    Hey, it's Jack/Bob/Jill/Jane from Claude here! We don't give a shit about your issue. Have a nice day.
• kandros 5mo ago
  I find it incredibly that after all the good faith Claude Code built during 2025 they are destroying users trust is such amateurish ways (same as hermes.md)
• vb-8448 5mo ago
  So what's next ... they are going to charge you a 30% commission on your sales for products build with their tools?
  • Neurostim 5mo ago
    They very well may try, if not already discussing ways to accomplish this or claim partial ownership of everything generated and just license the output to you. They're already trying to do platform lock-in with all this as it is. IIRC One of their investors/investor groups said something like the best customers are hostages so you know it's coming in some form.
    • vb-8448 5mo ago
      This would be crazy after they used basically tons of material regardless of the licence or are hammering third party websites to crawl data.
• sergiotapia 5mo ago
  what a company with really bad customer practices. I'm really glad I moved entirely to open source models. if you're disgusted by these practices as I am, I really recommend you use opencode (or any of the other 20 agents) and the GLM 5.1, or Kimi K2.6 or Deepseek V4 Pro models. You will be shocked how effective they are. haven't used claude in about 2 weeks and I do not miss it.
• scottbez1 5mo ago
  Subscription models only work when marginal costs are low and/or there’s a good variety of usage that roughly averages out. Or, you need to be able to kick out abuse. Unfortunately for those of us who just want to eat a nice filling meal at the fixed price all you can eat buffet of AI subscriptions, a minority of customers keeps paying for the all you can eat buffet and staying for hours and bringing containers to sneak food out when they leave. And they keep wearing disguises to try and evade detection. It’s a losing battle for the provider, which ultimately means the subscription pricing model can’t work, which hurts the majority of customers that just want to use the system as intended and no longer have a subscription model available. I have plenty of frustrations with Anthropic as a paying customer, but this specific false positive abuse detection doesn’t strike me as all that awful, just some annoying collateral damage. I’d rather have that than no subscription model at all.
  • kenhwang 5mo ago
    I wouldn't be surprised if the AI usage model moves towards a bidder/auction model. Set how much you'd willing to pay for your AI request, and they evaluate requests starting from the highest to lowest bids.
    • scottbez1 5mo ago
      It definitely would make sense, especially if they are capacity constrained, but it’s also a losing PR move for whoever moves first in the space unless the big players all shift at the same time.
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  • rohansood15 5mo ago
    Nobody is stopping them from capping usage at 3x subscription price. Except themselves, because it'll ruin their revenue growth story once they stop selling dollars for cents.
• dm270 5mo ago
  Several people at work, none use OpenClaw, had their limits jump immediately to 100%. This is a reason to seriously consider changing providers.
  • xpe 5mo ago
    >Several people at work, none use OpenClaw, had their limits jump immediately to 100%. Substantively: assuming this is true, what are the possible explanations? If they don't use OpenClaw, wouldn't this suggest there is some other cause? What company? Will these people go on the record? We live in a world where it is irrational for me to put much credence in a HN account. I see it has 125 karma and was created in January 2022.
• kderbyma 5mo ago
  Claude is bad for business....that is painfully obvious. At this point I assume you are coping with having drank the koolaid and fired key staff believing claude will replace them...back when it was cheap....because nearsightedness affects decision makers much more during hype cycles......
• sssilver 5mo ago
  Who remembers the Google of Eric Schmidt and "Don't Be Evil"? The truth is that it doesn't matter what companies say, what they claim, what they do, and what their CEO says/claims/does. It's just a matter of time until the shareholders will get the right CEO to maximize shareholder value. People in the comments who want a statement or a "reorientation" or a commitment from Anthropic leadership are missing the principles of how capitalism functions. Shareholder value cannot be compromised. In every battle between morality and profit, values and profit, public good and profit, ultimately all things will mutate into a state that enables profit to prevail. Always. There are no exceptions to this.
  • gverrilla 5mo ago
    > There are no exceptions to this. Not in capitalism, indeed.
  • avaer 5mo ago
    It's hard for people to understand that often it's a choice between "do the right thing" or "pay the price" (literally). Usually neither shareholders nor users are willing to pay the price.
• khimaros 5mo ago
  possibly related, it errors if my working directory is a checkout of OpenCode. i was using CC to work on some patches for OC and had to work in a parent directory and then tell Claude to work on the files inside the "opencode" folder.
• ai_terk_er_jerb 5mo ago
  I find it interesting that I use Opus tokens and I have 0 issues.
• chaboud 5mo ago
  Having had Claude Code jump to inserting juvenile and all-filtering regex to (attempt to) solve open-ended semantic natural language problems (-sigh- there's 12 hours of my life I'll never get back), I can absolutely imagine that this was someone trying to code up a "defense in depth" mechanic that was explosively insufficient after Claude Code (even Opus 4.6) made a series of faulty assumptions. This one feels like prime space for Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." The hassle with the performance of these systems is that they're ~70% of the way to awesome. For advanced prototyping (my current job description), a fast 60% of awesome is groundbreaking and game-changing. For production and real businesses, that last 30% is a really, really important thing to figure out.
• noIdeaTheSecond 5mo ago
  Is it just me or everybody finds the "charging extra" a bit vague? I don't deny it simply curious: how much?
• dudeinjapan 5mo ago
  I tried to replicate this but Claude was already down https://status.claude.com/ https://status.claude.com/
• apexalpha 5mo ago
  When asking about Openclaw in normal Claude Webchat it very peculiarly denied knowing what that is. Even when asked to search online it still gaslighted me about it.
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• s4saif 5mo ago
  Just curious if that is automatic or someone manually check all that
• 0x500x79 5mo ago
  I have two comments. One this feels like anti-competitive behavior that should not be accepted or allowed. Two, how can people support this? There are multiple comments in this thread with comments along the line of: "Oh im sure they didn't mean to, let's not attribute this to malice". There is a long history here of lawyers, back and forth between OpenCode and OpenClaw and various other "Open" harnesses. Digging into my commit history and blocking access based off of a string is not acceptable for a product in my opinion -- and I don't think this was purely on accident. Other comments calling out that they are compute constrained and need to do this in order to continue functioning. They shouldn't oversell then. I think that overselling airline tickets is abhorrent and so is overselling any product in a way that you know that you will impact legitimate customers. Up your pricing and/or stop accepting invites, we will quickly get to the bottom of it. A company does not deserve the benefit of the doubt over and over and over again.
• motbus3 5mo ago
  It is funny in a sense that they did added a mitigation for openclaw as it seems. But, if they did intentionally break other stuff, like charging more money, it would be a scam (not sure what is wrong but there is something wrong in taking credits without fulfilling the request) But then they will just say "ah yeah, aí broke our tool it wasn't intentional, bla bla bla"
• AtNightWeCode 5mo ago
  But, but, but Opus 4.7 says "I'm Claude, an AI assistant made by Anthropic. I'm not familiar with "OpenClaw". How could it be that it somehow knows about OpenClaw anyway. Clearly these tools does NOT work as stated.
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• tomjuggler 5mo ago
  LOL DeepSeek V4 just reduced their price to less than $1 per million tokens for Pro and people are worried about Claude
• xpe 5mo ago
  So far, after reading ~20 HN comments, I see one mention of something akin to "I verified this myself". Where are the people saying "Maybe this is true, but please tell me you considered other explanations first!" I try to avoid X, and I put relatively low credence in a HN account I don't know. [1] Browsing X, it looks like something like 1 out of 20 say they verified. Who here has _verified_ this claim or can find a _quality_ source that has? Not X. Someone who will take serious reputational or financial damage if they are wrong? It is 2026. Think about epistemics. What do you believe and why? And why should I believe you if you aren't asking this question? This situation has many characteristics of being an information cascade. [2] Raise your hand if you piled on before thinking it through. Be honest. Everyone does it sometimes. Intellectually honest people own it. P.S. I am _not_ making a claim about the original statement. Don't shoot the messenger: somebody needs to say what I'm saying. [1]: "We cannot trust identity like we used to here on HN ... we live in a world or anyone or any AI can claim almost anything ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47804884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47804884 [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_cascade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_cascade
  • porksoda 5mo ago
    Thanks for that
• amelius 5mo ago
  This is almost like shadow-banning. Absurd, really.
• outside1234 5mo ago
  We are going to need agent neutrality laws soon.
• dminik 5mo ago
  Is Anthropic speedrunning their fall from grace? Their "stand" against the US government, but not really, happened roughly two months ago. Yet they've been doing something stupid every week since. Who is running this company?
• bfrog 5mo ago
  I asked claude if it thought openclaw was better. It said it didn't know what openclaw was.
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• chakintosh 5mo ago
  Everyday they make dislike them even more
• chakintosh 5mo ago
  Everyday they make me dislike them even more
• deferredgrant 5mo ago
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• YorickPeterse 5mo ago
  Surely they can just ask Claude Code to fix this? After all, coding is a solved problem right?
• oliveiracwb 5mo ago
  Sure. They want the data all to themselves. This reminds me of a time when I wanted to tax different types of web content. But back then people cared about freedom.
• gloosx 5mo ago
  Imagine you trained the large language model which is too dangerous for humanity but you regexp over git commits to solve your subscription subsidy issues
• DeathArrow 5mo ago
  I am using Claude Code with GLM, Kimi, MiniMax and Xiaomi MiMo. So this doesn't happen to me. :P
• djmips 5mo ago
  That's funny, today I casually mentioned OpenClaw in a Claude chat on finance and it claimed to know nothing of what I was talking about...
• davesque 5mo ago
  A lot of the comments here are reacting to the censorship aspect, which is obviously an important point. But the more interesting subtext to me is that I feel like this gives insight into the situation within the company. I'm assuming they wouldn't do something like this unless the recent load issues (mostly driven by OpenClaw usage) were seen as an existential threat. So I'm guessing that's how the leadership views their current situation. Between OpenClaw and their (probably inaccurate) capacity planning, they simply can't onboard any more consumer users. In other words, things are going to get worse before they get better. Anthropic has taken drastic measures because their service is about to implode. The irony of course is that the way they've gone about reacting to this has damaged their brand so badly at the trust level that the public view of their company has completely flipped. They also seem strangely oblivious to this side of things. Their approach has also been bizarrely chaotic. Banning then restoring OpenClaw usage. Removing Claude Code from the Pro plan, then re-enabling it and claiming it was an A/B test. Honestly my read is that Dario has a weak leadership style within the company where he either doesn't give enough specific guidance to his reports or overreaches with reactionary instructions.
  • seattle_spring 5mo ago
    > The irony of course is that the way they've gone about reacting to this has damaged their brand so badly at the trust level that the public view of their company has completely flipped. No one at my company gives a single shit about Openclaw, so this whole situation has been a noop for a lot more of the public than you seem to think. Also, "censorship"? How is disallowing a specific tool that abuses a subscription "censorship"?
    • davesque 5mo ago
      I think the disallowing usage part was a great idea. I'd rather that Claude works well without getting DDOS'd. But merely mentioning OpenClaw causing session termination and extra charges? That's censorship. Also pretending not to know what OpenClaw is. It's all just very weird and creepy.
    • m4x 5mo ago
      No one at my company cares about OpenClaw either. We do care that we can be billed unexpectedly (either usage quota immediately being consumed, or being charged additional costs), generally with zero recourse, because a particular set of characters that Anthropic doesn't like appears somewhere in a repo. This week the characters are "OpenClaw". I won't even try to guess what might lead to erroneous billing next week.
• shevy-java 5mo ago
  This is Skynet 8.0. After they fought humans and dumbed them down into AI-slavery, the machines now fight one another. Claude versus OpenClaw - may the worst win! \o/
• martin-t 5mo ago
  People who think LLMs are neutral tools are delusional. They will be used not just to shape public discourse (like "social networks") but more importantly they can be used to shape an individual's thinking. If facebook/twitter/reddit are perfectly OK with intentionally increasing addictivity but are restricted by having to show you only existing stuff, what do you think will happen when LLM companies can generate new stuff tailored to each individual person?
• schwede 5mo ago
  OpenClaw can just rebrand again, problem solved!
• jmward01 5mo ago
  So it seems that Anthropic has a hidden list of special words that redirect billing without warning or disclosure. And when this is pointed out as a billing error they say they won't refund until it gets the HN treatment. If they can/will bill you differently based on actual use then it seems like how they determine that use is important to disclose right?
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  • tencentshill 5mo ago
    Another B2B win handed to Microsoft Copilot/Azure, just for being boring and consistent. It doesn't matter if your product is better if it's unreliable and inconsistent.
  • gizmodo59 5mo ago
    There is really no reason to use Claude code anymore. Codex is much better with gpt 5.5. Not to mention, it’s open source, they play well with third parties, they don’t hold the model like mythos for elite companies, they have other good models like imagegen and I can use however the heck I want like openclaw.
• taf2 5mo ago
  Wow so like there are many services that rely on anthropics api.. if for example I inject the word openclaw into a bunch of chat bots or voice bots that might be using anthropics API would this also break them…
  • diego_sandoval 5mo ago
    and HERMES.md
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• trb 5mo ago
  It's fascinating to see all these bugs in Claude Code - HERMES.md, this OpenClaw issue, the recent thinking-message pruning and cache-skipping bugs. They seem like the class of bugs I see in my vibe-coding experiments, and I think the Claude Code lead has said many times that he/his team don't read the code for Claude Code themselves, that it's basically vibe-coded. If Anthropic itself can't make vibe coding work, who can?
  • brumar 5mo ago
    When all these "bugs" align with /A self interest, it's quite a charitable view to attribute these to negligent vibe coding.
  • f33d5173 5mo ago
    Has any of this stuff hurt their valuation? Then who says it isn't working?
  • cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    I suspect there's strong management pressure to not read the code or do "old fashioned coding" Because this is the company whose CEO makes public pronouncements about how they're going to exterminate our whole profession any day now, how we won't be needed. So if that's your ultimate boss, do you think he's going to let you stop, analyze, cautiously review, hand curate, hand edit? To me the thing seems like a science project that got shipped as a product, with a complete lack of proper software engineering quality principles around it. A gating procedure like this (and the HERMES.md thing etc) would never get past a code review process in any respectable shop that I've worked at. If I'd put up a code review like this at Google when I was there, it would been a pile-on of senior engineers demanding a better approach, no LGTM would have been given. I can only conclude Anthropic is getting high on their own supply. In any case, writing code to get features out the door has rarely been the block in our profession. It's usually process and review and understanding requirements. And so the entire project feels like a fundamental misunderstanding of what shipping software as a team is actually about.
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• andrew_eu 5mo ago
  A friendly reminder to any Claude subscribers, that you were probably auto-opted-in to "Extra Usage". You can disable it on the "Usage" page [0] before getting a bill for "extra" usage. 0: https://claude.ai/settings/usage https://claude.ai/settings/usage
• amelius 5mo ago
  Do as I do. Just call it OpenClown from now on.
• johanyc 5mo ago
  Seriously why does Anthropic have so many shenanigans? I once wanted to try claude code coming from codex, but seeing these made me lose any appetite. Plus they are not open to the broader ecosystems like not reading .agents folder etc
• veltas 5mo ago
  If it matters then it needs to be open source.
• tabs_or_spaces 5mo ago
  There's probably a few things to consider * How much CPU/token usage does openclaw users use in general? Similarly, how much does high volume openclaw users use vs "normal" claude high volume users? * Are there political elements we can't see that's affecting this? OpenClaw and anthropic doesn't have a good history in general and this is just a continuation of that? Something I don't understand, there's a lot of complaints yet people are reluctant to stop using the service? Are folks already vendor locked or is it a case of "well, this doesn't seem to affect me?" The consumer behaviour of these complaints is very interesting.
• threecheese 5mo ago
  If anyone is interested in a peek into why they are being so aggressive, check the “AI Hype” board [1]; beyond all the interesting local models (why I read it), it is usually filled with projects for circumventing LLM provider restrictions which are wildly popular (and frequently Chinese- no shade). The #3 result today is: “End-to-end protocol replay toolkit for ChatGPT Plus/Team/Pro subscription with from-scratch hCaptcha solver and empirical anti-fraud research”. The “research” for anti-fraud is “how to get around it”. It looks a lot like an arms race, and we are getting caught in the middle of it. 1. https://hype.replicate.dev/ https://hype.replicate.dev/
• SV_BubbleTime 5mo ago
  OK, so, OpenAI represents the worst of Silicon Valley 2026. Anthropic is going a different direction but not better.
• LAC-Tech 5mo ago
  The account posted is a massive grifter. He trolls twitter to make content for his youtube channel, which seems to be his primary occupation. I am not saying that claude has not done this, I am just saying you need a better source than the Jake Paul of tech influencers.
• F7F7F7 5mo ago
  How the hell did something like this ever make into the product? I can't even have Claude assist in creating a Hermes or OpenClaw agent that utilizes a 3rd party API?
• justinlevine 5mo ago
  Honestly, this isn't a change really from how anthropic has operated for a long, long time. They did the same with OpenCode, pi, etc. There isn't anything that can stop you from using the SDK, however.
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• avaer 5mo ago
  This is what being banned in the age of LLMs will look like.
• Kirr 5mo ago
  "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" is getting realer with each passing day. As well as arguing with your front door from Ubik.
• kestiny 5mo ago
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• 0xBA5ED 5mo ago
  They seem to be getting quite comfortable altering the terms of use without notifying users.
• sota_pop 5mo ago
  “Wow, can’t believe our metrics this month, usage is way up! all our users are maxing out their token limits, KPI already achieved for the quarter!”
• hyhmrright 5mo ago
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• Unovia 5mo ago
  Wonder if they tested that with actual code.
• appz3 5mo ago
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• userbinator 5mo ago
  I am reminded of user-agent sniffing and the idiocy that created. One would hope that this leads to less self-identifying overall. At this point it looks less like a cat-and-mouse game but more like a cat-and-cat game, but all the cats are equally retarded. I suppose it makes for good entertainment for the rest of us who don't need to use, and now have another reason not to start using, all this AI stuff.
• jannniii 5mo ago
  Also what has been happening a long time is that if you try to do any opencode development Anthropic models will start replacing the word opencode with claude intermittently. Imagine how difficult tool calling gets, when your ~/projects/opencode path gets intermittently replaced to ~/projects/claude during the roundtrip to Anthropic API They have been fighting back a while already, eroding trust in their models as a price. I was even able to have an absurd conversation with Claude about it, quite kafkaesque
• WhereIsTheTruth 5mo ago
  Anthropic IPO will be massive, it'll start dirt cheap (thanks FUD) and it'll reach the moon in no time, to /s or not to /s, that is the question
• kwar13 5mo ago
  is it me or are they somewhat actively destroying their hard earned good reputation...?
  • ed_mercer 5mo ago
    Bad PR is still PR
• dorianmariecom 5mo ago
  looks like it's fixed (i tried it with my claude account)
• tanishdesai37 5mo ago
  I think it's more over claude code cli thing we can still use api within the subscription (no extra cost associated) Try getting access token from the system keychain (under the "Claude Code-credentials" entry) and replaying it with specific headers (system: [ {"type":"text","text":"x-anthropic-billing-header: cc_version=2.1.118.f05; cc_entrypoint=sdk-cli; cch=8c860;"}, {"type":"text","text":"You are a Claude agent."} ]) On v1/messages api with model of your choice it works I have tried.
• rayl15 5mo ago
  This is a real concern for open source projects that integrate with multiple AI backends. I built OpenVision (github.com/rayl15/OpenVision), an iOS app connecting Meta Ray-Ban glasses to AI assistants — one of the supported backends is OpenClaw. If Claude Code is flagging or penalizing commits that simply mention a competitor's name, that has a chilling effect on open source developers who build tooling that wraps or integrates multiple AI providers. The "safe" behavior should be to complete the coding task and let users make their own product choices.
• klaude-is-wrong 5mo ago
  If one made a folder with say, a million common markdown files, HERMES, OPENCLAW, the likes. Let the check filter search 1M files with lots of LLM generated nonsense? If we are going to filter usage, there are a lot of reverse attacks to that effort that could appear. I just wonder if this is the needle in the bubble?
• imafish 5mo ago
  So... what if you are a contributor to OpenClaw and like using Claude Code? Simply not allowed?
• egorfine 5mo ago
  Not reproducible anymore. However, "claude -p hi" immediately ate 3% of my quota. (I didn't use claude for like a month, so absolutely fresh).
• gchamonlive 5mo ago
  I currently subscribe to four basic plans: Google's, Anthropic's, OpenAI's and Kimi's. Was thinking about cancelling Kimi, but that makes me rethink my decision. It's a shame, because while Kimi 2.6 is indeed quite capable, its thinking mode is quite wasteful, and Opus is a joy to work with.
• td2 5mo ago
  Imagin i wanted to vibecode a claw machine. I might need a function called openClaw() to release the item. Perhaps im a huge microsoft fan, and use c# Now its OpenClaw() And suddenly, unexplainably my bill would skyrocket?
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• great_psy 5mo ago
  Would it be possible to do some prompt injection so this string has the same effect but from a website ? So if you add some special string to the docs, it stops Claude ?
• m4rtink 5mo ago
  Looks like as if building all your workflow around an expensive black box in the cloud you have no control off could be a problem!
• xyst 5mo ago
  Interesting find. I wonder how long it will take anthropic to patch this in the spaghetti code used to build claude
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• pradeep1177 5mo ago
  This kind of issue makes me wonder, should local AI coding tools expose a per-turn why did my session die / why did usage spike trace?