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Sora: Creating video from text
- pknerd 3y agoSo no APIs yet?
- cod1r 3y agoOpenAI is definitely cooking
- htrp 3y ago> All videos on this page were generated directly by Sora without modification. I hope there is at least some cherrypicking here. This also seems like some shots fired at some of the other gen video startups
- palmfacehn 3y agoThe example cat had two left forelegs.
- senthilnayagam 3y agosamples look amazing , Looking forward for access, and hope they price it competitively
- treesciencebot 3y agoIf we go from DALL-E 3, it won't be nowhere near competitive while they have the superior ground. Generating a high quality 1024x1024 image with costs around ~$0.002, but $0.08 on DALL-E 3 (20x more expensive per-image). For videos with very high computational needs (since each frame needs to be temporally consistent, you need huge GPUs to serve this) I'm expecting this to be so much more expensive than its competitors (Pika or SVD1.1)
- zemo 3y ago> Prompt: Historical footage of California during the gold rush. this is the opposite of history
- minimaxir 3y agoIt's a test prompt to demo the model, not a clickbait social media post.
- zemo 3y agoyeah I think a tech company showing how their tech can be used to cause damage to a humanities field as one of their leading product demos is bad
- diputsmonro 3y agoYes, but the point is that in a few years, there won't be a difference. Those clickbait accounts already exist for AI generated images. How many impressionable or young people have been fooled into believing history that never happened? More importantly, how can these accounts subtly direct the generations to instill modern ideology or politics into "historical" images, giving them historical credibility? Think of all the subtly white supremacist "retvrn" accounts, for example, falsely recontextualizing inventions and accomplishments to support their ideology. We all need to be thinking much more creatively and cynically about how these tools will be abused. The technology will get better. The people who want to abuse it will get smarter. And your capability to distinguish fake information is likely much worse than you believe - to say nothing of younger people who have less context and experience to form a mental "immune system".
- minimaxir 3y agoGranted, the blog post is about opening the model up for red-teaming, so highlighting potential vectors for abuse is actually the desired intent.
- psychoslave 3y ago>How many impressionable or young people have been fooled into believing history that never happened? I would say, all of them. Since the dawn of history. Actually, far before, as treachery certainly precedes speech itself by a few million years in the struggle to survive game. Just to take a contemporary western (mostly?) thing: how did it went last time you looked straight into the eyes of kids to reveal them Santa Clauss is a lie and yes almost all adults in their society are into that evil conspiracy? And what about the adult around you deeply attached to their national myths, not even mentioning all the folklore around their afterlife beliefs? But don’t worry, everything is going to go well, I promise and you know you can trust me. :)
- hownowbrowncow 3y agoAmazing. One wonders how you might gain a representation of physics learned in the model. Perhaps multimodal inputs with rendered objects; physics simulations?
- ilaksh 3y agoJust lots of videos from Youtube probably.
- zmk5 3y agoThese samples look pretty amazing. I'm curious the compute required to train and even deploy something like this. How would it scale to making something like a CGI Pixar movie?
- m3kw9 3y agoPretty sure you plus tier not be using this free, too much processing power needed
- m3kw9 3y agoI love the downvote, could be an OpenAI employee in the know.
- anon291 3y agoWow!
- dist-epoch 3y agoTotally a coincidence that it's announced immediately after the new Gemini reveal.
- stronglikedan 3y agoTiming is everything. Smart move
- cuuupid 3y agoNot loving that there are more details on safety than details of the actual model, benchmarks, or capabilities. > That’s why we believe that learning from real-world use is a critical component of creating and releasing increasingly safe AI systems over time. "We believe safety relies on real-world use and that's why we will not be allowing real-world use until we have figured out safety."
- diputsmonro 3y agoYeah, it would be way better if they just released it right away, so that political campaigns can use AI generated videos of their opponents doing horrible/stupid things right before an election and before any of the general public has any idea that fake videos could be this realistic.
- serf 3y agoyou joke, but the hobbling of these 'safe' models is exactly what spurs development of the unsafe ones that are ran locally, anonymously, and for who knows what purpose. someone really interested in control would want OpenAI or whatever centralized organization to be able to sift through the results for dangerous individuals -- part of this is making sure to stymie development of alternatives to that concept.
- BeerAnthem 3y agoLet's make it safe by allowing only the government (the side we like) and approved corporations to use it. That'll fix it.
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- imbusy111 3y agoI had a good laugh looking at the sliding and twisting legs in the "Girl walking in City" video.
- ummonk 3y agoI'm a little concerned that so many people in these comments say they wouldn't be able to tell that it's not real.
- kjqgqkejbfefn 3y agoIndeed @0:15, the right leg goes to the left and vice versa.
- minimaxir 3y agoI do wonder why OpenAI chose the name "Sora" for this model. AI is now going to have intersectionality with Kingdom Hearts. (Atleast you don't need a PhD to understand AI.)
- meitham 3y agoSora is pictures or movie (visual) in arabic!
- hk__2 3y agoI’m confused as well because "sora" means "sister" in Neapolitan.
- GaggiX 3y agoI'm glad I'm not the only to have think of that, it's usually used for insults. I thought it was kinda funny.
- pavlov 3y ago"Scene-Oriented Rank Adaptation"? I have no idea, just guessing...
- yogorenapan 3y agoHear me out: Someone on the team is a fan of Yosuga No Sora
- Tiberium 3y agoI'm not the only one ;)
- starshadowx2 3y agoSora means sky in Japanese, their reasoning is akin to "the sky's the limit". > The team behind the technology, including the researchers Tim Brooks and Bill Peebles, chose the name because it “evokes the idea of limitless creative potential.”
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- nerdjon 3y agoIt is honestly quite concerning just how good these videos look. Like you can see some weird artifacts, but take one of these videos, compress it down to a much lower quality and with the loss of quality you might not be able to tell the difference based on these examples. Any artifacts would likely be gone. Given what I had seen on social media I had figured anything remotely real was a few years away, but I guess not... I guess we have just stopped worrying about the impact of these tools?
- agomez314 3y agoImagine someone combining this with the Apple Vision Pro...many people will simply opt out of reality and live in a digital world. Not that this is new, but I'll entice a lot more people than ever before.
- pants2 3y agoBasically the Holodeck.
- ilaksh 3y agoI was just thinking that -- I used to think the Holodeck was far-fetched. Now it seems like it's practically around the corner (with VR/XR glasses).
- ctoth 3y agoPresumably the Post-atomic horror set back technology for a while, so we should be able to expect TNG-level technology before the war. This also explains why Kirk's Enterprise uses datatapes.
- TechnicolorByte 3y agoHad the same thought. Seems like we’re entering the era of generative AI and mixed reality in a very real way very soon. As much as I love the technology, I’m really not looking forward to this becoming ubiquitous. Time and time again we’ve allowed technological progress to outpace our ability to weight the societal pros ands cons. Smartphones and the rise of image-heavy social media has rapidly changed social norms. Watch a video of people out in public 20 years ago: no screen to distract them at bus stops, concert events, or while eating dinner with friends. And if that seems trite, consider how well correlated the rise in suicide rates is with the popularity of these technologies. Not sure if this makes me a luddite or if the feeling is common in this crowd.
- m3kw9 3y agobut you cannot walk/feel it, just watching. It's still a huge gap to reality, less so, but you will still feel it's fake very vividly because those senses are missing.
- supriyo-biswas 3y agoI wonder what served as the dataset for the model. Videos on YouTube presumably, since messing around with the film industry would be too expensive?
- chasing 3y agoYeah, you just can't let all media, all the cost and hard work of millions of photographers, animators, filmmakers, etc be completely consumed and devalued by one company just because it's a very cool technical trick. The more powerful these services become the more obvious that will be. What OpenAI does is amazing, but they obviously cannot be allowed to capture the value of every piece of media ever created — it'll both tank the economy and basically halt all new creation if everything you create will be immediately financially weaponized against you, if everything you create goes immediately into the Machine that can spit out a billion variations, flood the market, and give you nothing in return. It's the same complaint people have had with Google Search pushed to its logical conclusion: anything you create will be anonymized and absorbed. You put in the effort and money, OpenAI gets the reward. Again, I like OpenAI overall. But everyone's got to be brought to the table on this somehow. I wish our government would be capable of giving realistic guidance and regulation on this.
- powera 3y agoI am getting sick of these "people can't be allowed to make their own nice things easily, because of a pugnacious (and very online) interest group that wants to keep getting money" takes.
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- CooCooCaCha 3y agoIt’s funny, people dreamed of AI robots doing the shitty work that nobody wants to do so that we are free to pursue things we actually want to do. But in reality it seems like the opposite is going to be true. AI is automating the creative, intellectual work and leaving the rest to us.
- dilap 3y agoMaybe we'll see a resurgence in live theater.
- dietmtnview 3y agooh man, we're going to be in The Running Man really quick.
- nuz 3y agoAGI at the quality of sora or dalle but for intelligence is gonna be quite the thing to witness
- treesciencebot 3y agoThis is leaps and bounds beyond anything out there, including both public models like SVD 1.1 and Pika Labs' / Runway's models. Incredible.
- Zelphyr 3y agoAgreed. It's amazing how much of a head start OpenAI appears to have over everyone else. Even Microsoft who has access to everything OpenAI is doing. Only Microsoft could be given the keys to the kingdom and still not figure out how to open any doors with them.
- SeanAnderson 3y agoEh. MSFT owns 49% of OpenAI. Doesn't really seem like they need to do much except support them.
- Zelphyr 3y agoExcept they keep trying to shove AI into everything they own. CoPilot Studio is an example of how laughably bad at it they are. I honestly don't understand why they don't contract out to OpenAI to help them do some of these integrations.
- SeanAnderson 3y agoEvery company is trying to shove AI into everything they own. It's what investors currently demand. OpenAI is likely limited by how fast they are able to scale their hiring. They had 778 FTEs when all the board drama occurred, up 100% YoY. Microsoft has 221,000. It seems difficult to delegate enough headcount to all the exploratory projects of MSFT and it's hard to scale headcount quicker while preserving some semblance of culture.
- frabcus 3y agoThey don't own 49% of OpenAI. They have capped rights to 49% of OpenAI's profits.
- hansonkd 3y agoCountdown to when studios licensing this for "unlimited" episodes of your favorite series. There was Seinfeld "Nothing, Forever" AI parody, but once the models improve enough and are cheap enough to deploy, studios will license their content for real and just have endless seasons. Or even custom episodes. Imagine if every episode of a TV show was unique to the viewer.
- htrp 3y agoSpeedrunning Black Mirror
- mbil 3y agoI imagine it's not long before we see hyper-targeted commercials where the actors look like us, live in our city, etc.
- hansonkd 3y agoCustom AI commercials would be very interesting. Instead of seeing strangers enjoying the benefits of the product, it shows you. A car commercial would show you driving, etc. Commercials and TV episodes could have a basic "story arc" and then completely customized to the viewer. Think about the simpson's or something. Imagine that the story of the episodes were kept, but you could swap in the characters and locations. So for instance if you lived in Nashville TN, all the simpson's episodes could be generated to show the settings as Nashville instead of Springfield. Then you could have the AI switch out the characters to be people you want. Maybe you want to replace Lisa with an AI Simpsons version of you. Mayor Quimby with Nashville's actual mayor, etc.
- internetter 3y agoOh lord no thank you
- tavavex 3y ago> Custom AI commercials would be very interesting. Instead of seeing strangers enjoying the benefits of the product, it shows you. A car commercial would show you driving, etc. I think it'd kind of defeat the point - I can't imagine a person that'd want their likenesses to be used to market to them. It'd be a disaster. Setting swaps are more realistic, though at the point where things get good enough for that to be possible, we may just see completely on-demand newly generated media instead of modifying what already exists.
- Janicc 3y agoI honestly expected video generation to get stuck at barely consistent 5 second clips without much movement for the next few years. This is the type of stuff I expected to maybe be possible towards the end of the decade. Maybe we really are still at the bottom of the S curve which is scary to think about.
- EwanG 3y agoI have a book I've written (first three parts available free at https://www.amazon.com/Summer-of-Wonders/dp/B0CV84D7GR https://www.amazon.com/Summer-of-Wonders/dp/B0CV84D7GR). Is there some way to feed this to the tool and get an animated version out? Or this with some other tool(s)?
- ilaksh 3y agoHoly %@$%! Abso%@#inglutely amazing! Also, now I see why we need $7 trillion worth of GPUs.
- uoaei 3y agoVisual sharpness at the expense of wider-scale coherence (see: sliding/floating walking woman in Tokyo demo or tiny people next to giant people in Lagos demo) seems to be a local optimum consistently achieved by today's SOTA models in all domains. This is neat and all but mostly just a toy. Everything I've seen has me convinced either we are optimizing the wrong loss functions or the architectures we have today are fundamentally limited. This should be understood for what it is and not for what people want it to be.
- famouswaffles 3y ago>Visual sharpness at the expense of wider-scale coherence (see: sliding/floating walking woman in Tokyo demo or tiny people next to giant people in Lagos demo) Wider-Scale coherence is still much better than previous models and has consistently been improving. It's not "visual sharpness at the expense of coherence". At worst, the models are learning wider-scale coherence slower. Not everything is equally difficult to learn so it follows that some aspects will lag behind others. If coherence weren't improving you might have a point but it is so...
- uoaei 3y agoScaling laws operate in the limit but eventually practical considerations dominate. There's a lot we haven't yet fully appreciated about biological vision and cognition -- and indeed, common sense as regards sensible video generation and processing -- that have not made their way into this kind of model. NeRFs are interesting and I hope to see more from that side of things in the coming months and years.
- famouswaffles 3y agoNature is great and all but looking to it as an example of a lack of scaling and brute force is a bit ridiculous. Your vision is hundreds of millions of years in the making.
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- epberry 3y agoThese looks fantastic. Very slight weirdness in some movement, hands, etc. But the main thing that strikes me is the cinematic tracking shots. I guess that's why they use "scenes". It doesn't seem like a movie could be generated with this involving actors talking.
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- mring33621 3y agoI wanna see the rest of the knit hat spaceman movie!
- Imnimo 3y agohttps://openai.com/sora?video=big-sur https://openai.com/sora?video=big-sur In this video, there's extremely consistent geometry as the camera moves, but the texture of the trees/shrubs on the top of the cliff on the left seems to remain very flat, reminiscent of low-poly geometry in games. I wonder if this is an artifact of the way videos are generated. Is the model separating scene geometry from camera? Maybe some sort of video-NeRF or Gaussian Splatting under the hood?
- jquery 3y agoIt looks perfect to me. That's exactly how the area looks in person.
- nuz 3y agoI saw similar artifacts in dalle-1 a lot (as if the image was pasted onto geometry). Definitely wouldn't surprise me if they use synthetic rasterized data to in the training, which could totally create artifacts like this.
- ethbr1 3y agoCurious about what current SotA is on physics-infusing generation. Anyone have paper links? OpenAi has a few details: >> The current model has weaknesses. It may struggle with accurately simulating the physics of a complex scene, and may not understand specific instances of cause and effect. For example, a person might take a bite out of a cookie, but afterward, the cookie may not have a bite mark. >> Similar to GPT models, Sora uses a transformer architecture, unlocking superior scaling performance. >> We represent videos and images as collections of smaller units of data called patches, each of which is akin to a token in GPT. By unifying how we represent data, we can train diffusion transformers on a wider range of visual data than was possible before, spanning different durations, resolutions and aspect ratios. >> Sora builds on past research in DALL·E and GPT models. It uses the recaptioning technique from DALL·E 3, which involves generating highly descriptive captions for the visual training data. As a result, the model is able to follow the user’s text instructions in the generated video more faithfully. The implied facts that it understands physics of simple scenes and any instances of cause and effect are impressive! Although I assume that's been SotA-possible for awhile, and I just hadn't heard?
- sidcool 3y agoEven the videos with some physics anomalies are quite good and entertaining.
- bluechair 3y agoThe signs are non-sensical but this is probably expected.
- criddell 3y agoWhy is that so difficult for these things to get right?
- jonplackett 3y agoNo mention of how much they had to cherry pick right? Interested to know what the success rate of such amazingmess Pika have really impressive videos on their homepage that are borderline impossible to make for myself.
- aaroninsf 3y agoTotally agree, they can pay a lot of monkeys at typewriters, but also? https://openai.com/sora?video=big-sur https://openai.com/sora?video=big-sur made me literally say, out loud, "doesnt-matter-had-sex"
- kredd 3y agoThere’s an ongoing thread on Twitter where Sam takes suggestions from replies and shares the output. E.g. https://x.com/sama/status/1758200420344955288?s=46&t=VQo1eLU4te8RcQR5u1BVsA https://x.com/sama/status/1758200420344955288?s=46&t=VQo1eLU...
- slekker 3y agoIs there any alternative to Nitter?
- burkaman 3y agoI think Nitter may still work if you self-host it, but otherwise no, they have made it impossible to read without an account.
- usaar333 3y agoJust from a quick scan, those are a lot worse than the ones on the marketing page.
- burkaman 3y agoDefinitely a lot worse, but still an order of magnitude better than every other attempt at generative video. Even these may be cherry-picked though, he's only posted a few and I'm sure he's gotten thousands of requests already.
- gzer0 3y agoTruly stunning. Waiting on the research paper, says will be published (soon). Can't wait to read on the technical details.
- Delumine 3y agoThis is insane. Even though there are open-source models, I think this is too dangerous to release to the public. If someone would've uploaded that Tokyo video to youtube, and told me it was a drone.. I would've believed them. All "proof" we have can be contested or fabricated.
- standardUser 3y agoThe key word there is "someone". The only way forward is to care a lot more about our sources. Trust is about to become really valuable.
- Delumine 3y agoWe give too much credit to ordinary people. All these bleeding-edge advancements in AI, code, databases, and technology are things a user on HNews would be aware of. However, most peers in regular jobs, parents, children, et al., would be susceptible to being fooled on social media. They're not going to say... "hmm, let me fact-check and see if the sources are correct and that this wasn't created by AI." They'll simply see an inflammatory tweet from their leader on Twitter.
- standardUser 3y agoThey're not going to fact check, they're simply going to think "huh, could be AI" and that will change the way we absorb and process information. It already has. And when we really need to know something and can't afford to be wrong, we'll seek out high trust sources. Just like we do now, but more so. And of course some large cross section of people will continue to be duped idiots.
- Delumine 3y agoMost people don't even know what AI is. I've had to educate my parents that the technology to not only clone my voice, but my face.. is in existence. Pair that with number spoofing, and you have a recipe for disaster to scam people.
- reducesuffering 3y agoApple Vision Pro VR + unlimited, addicting... I mean, engaging video feed into your eyes. The machines will keep you tube fed and your bowels emptied. Woe to the early 21st century techno-optimism. An alien intelligence rules the galaxy now. Welcome to the simulation.
- m3kw9 3y agowill be super depressing once you take off the helmet and feel the reality
- superconduct123 3y agoImagine that but the loss function is measuring how "good" you feel via brain signals And the AI is optimizing the video feed purely for that What would it generate?
- nuz 3y agoThis is the second time OpenAI has released something right at the same time as google did (Gemini 1.5 Pro with 10M token context length just now). Can't just be a coincidence
- Zelphyr 3y agoNot to mention, the Gemini 1.5 Pro announcement was almost all technical talk whereas Sora is light on text and heavy on demonstration. I'm actually worried about the future of Google at this point. They really seem to be struggling under their own weight.
- a_vanderbilt 3y agoAnd the tech demo of GPT-4 was Sam interacting with the thing and showing what it did well and where it faltered. We could also access the thing soon after. Not so with Gemini. Hell even Mixtral got me more excited.
- nopinsight 3y agoWhat was released during the first time?
- nuz 3y agoGPT-4 was released at the same time as Bard was announced I believe (same day, same hour basically).
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- DylanBohlender 3y agoThey absolutely sat on this and waited until a competitor announced something, so they could suck the air out of the room.
- a_vanderbilt 3y agoI too noticed the coincidence. Not to be a conspiracy theorist but part of me wonders if they share this information with each other, or if OpenAI has advancements like these sitting in the chamber and they are willing wait a few weeks before they release them to maximize the impact of the timing.
- fardinahsan146 3y agoThis is insane.
- sabzetro 3y agoCan't wait until we can generate feature length films with a prompt.
- rambambram 3y agoI like how the dalmatian puppy moves like a cat.
- sebnun 3y agoThis is amazing. My first thought was about the potential for abuse. Deepfakes will be more realistic than ever. Also, nicely timed to overshadow the Google Gemini 1.5 announcement.
- aantix 3y agoThis the killer feature. “ Sora can also create multiple shots within a single generated video that accurately persist characters and visual style.” To create a movie I need character visual consistency across scenes. Getting that right is the hardest part of all the existing text->video tools out there.
- dom96 3y agoThis is going to make the latest election really interesting (and scary). Is anyone working to ensure a faked video of Biden that looks plausible but is AI generated doesn't get significant traction at a critical moment of the election?
- airstrike 3y agoThey've released it but not made it GA
- duderific 3y agoThat just doesn't seem like a plausible scenario to me. Obviously, if such thing happened, Biden would have an alibi, since it's known where he is at all times. The people who already hate Biden, probably already think he's doing some weird shady stuff, and would point to some conspiracy. The people who like Biden, would accept the alibi. Ultimately it wouldn't move the needle. What is concerning, is the technology being used against a regular person, who may not have an alibi.
- superconduct123 3y agoMedia outlets are not going to just publish a random video with sketchy provenance
- drcwpl 3y agoWow - "All videos on this page were generated directly by Sora without modification." The prompts - incredible and such quality - amazing. "Prompt: An extreme close-up of an gray-haired man with a beard in his 60s, he is deep in thought pondering the history of the universe as he sits at a cafe in Paris, his eyes focus on people offscreen as they walk as he sits mostly motionless, he is dressed in a wool coat suit coat with a button-down shirt , he wears a brown beret and glasses and has a very professorial appearance, and the end he offers a subtle closed-mouth smile as if he found the answer to the mystery of life, the lighting is very cinematic with the golden light and the Parisian streets and city in the background, depth of field, cinematic 35mm film."
- bogwog 3y agoMy AI idea: Civil war as a service (CWaaS) Prompt: poll worker sneakily taking ballots labeled <INSERT POLITICAL PARTY HERE>, and throwing them in the trash.
- aaroninsf 3y agoSrsly. We were not able to handle applications of preexisting tools for steering public sentiment, limited to static text and puppet account generation etc. We are not handling the current generation of text and image generation, or, deepfake style transfer, or, voice cloning, etc ad nauseum. We will not be able to handle this. GOOD. TIMES. AHEAD. but oh that Spatial Video NeRF generated pr0n with biometric feedback autotuning and a million token memory for what. I. like.
- rightbyte 3y agoYou realize how easy it is to do that with actors, right?
- bogwog 3y agoIt's not easy to do that with actors. It costs money, you need to get props, find a location, schedule the shoot, etc. People who lose their minds over petty grievances will sober up long before their video is produced. With AI video generation you could produce multiple videos per day, each one customized to be highly targeted for a local market. Actors can be generated to represent a local minority that is villainized by politicians and the clothing and set customized for the locale. Then you can automate posting it all over social media with fake AI generated discussions calling for a revolution. Even if the video gets flagged as fake, you can upload a thousand more. As a bonus, add comments along the lines of "of course THEY want you to think this is fake! Don't be fooled!" in order to appeal to the paranoid lunatics who are most likely to get the ball rolling. In conclusion, I believe this is a solid startup idea. Thank you all for coming.
- hackerlight 3y agoAt least 1000x more effort than typing a sentence into your keyboard. Hence less likely to happen at the same frequency and scale.
- wouldbecouldbe 3y agoIt looks beautiful, however I thought openai's mission was creating AGI, not become a generative ai content supplier.
- thepasswordis 3y agoOpenAI demonstrating the size of their moat. How many multi-million-dollar funded startups did this just absolutely obsolete? This is so, so, so much better than every other generative video AI we've seen. Most of those were basically a still image with a very slowly moving background. This is not that. Sam is probably going to get his $7T if he keeps this up, and when he does everybody else will be locked out forever. I already know people who have basically opted out of life. They're addicted to porn, addicted to podcasts where it's just dudes chatting as if they're all hanging out together, and addicted to instagram influencers. 100% they would pay a lot of money to be able to hang out with Joe Rogan, or some only fans person, and those pornstars or podcasts hosts will never disagree with them, never get mad at them, never get bored of them, never thing they're a loser, etc. These videos are crazy. Highly suggest anybody who was playing with Dall-E a couple of years ago, and being mindblown by "an astronaut riding a horse in space" or whatever go back and look at the images they were creating then, and compare that to this.
- aantix 3y agoThat's an interesting take - podcasts have become a replacement for companionship and conversation.
- testfrequency 3y agoIt’s also more fuel for brain rot and toxic personalities to spread. Most podcasters are narcissists
- zamfi 3y agoSame with TV decades years ago, and radio before that. Just a different generation.
- ggregoire 3y agoThat's what Twitch has become too. The most popular Twitch streamers do nothing other than watching YouTube videos and providing a fake relationship to their 50,000 live viewers.
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- IceHegel 3y agoThose samples are incredibly impressive. It blows RunwayML out of the water. As a layman watching the space, I didn't expect this level of quality for two or three more years. Pretty blown away, the puppies in the snow were really impressive.
- drcongo 3y agoThis is actually mind-blowing.
- smusamashah 3y agoDid anyone else feel motion sickness or nausea watching some of these videos? In some of the videos with some panning or rotating motion, i felt some nausea like sickness effect. I guess its because some details were changing while in motion and I was unable to keep track or focus anything in particular. Effect was stronger in some videos.
- _bramses 3y agoI do. My hypothesis is that there isn't really good bokeh yet in the videos, and our brains get motion sick trying to decide what to focus on. I.e. too much movement and *too much detail* spread out throughout the frame. Add motion to that and you have a recipe for nausea (at least for now)
- throwanem 3y agoYou can shoot with high depth of field and not cause motion sickness. Aerial videography does that every day, and it's no more difficult in general to parse than looking out an airliner window or at a distant horizon would be. I suspect GP is closer to on the money here, in suspecting the issue lies with a semblance of movement that isn't like what we see when we look at something a long way away. I didn't notice such an effect myself, but I also haven't yet inspected the videos in much detail, so I doubt I'd have noticed it in any case.
- mitthrowaway2 3y agoI think part of it might be the slow motion / high frame rate effect. I get this too sometimes with the Apple TV backgrounds.
- charlotte-fyi 3y agoYeah, these all made me feel incredibly nauseous. I was trying to figure out what aspect of the motion was triggering this (bad parallax?) but couldn't. The results are impressive but it's still amazing to me how little defects like this can trigger our sense of not just uncanniness but actual sickness.
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- DeathArrow 3y agoGoodbye, Hollywood!
- idiliv 3y agoPeople here seem mostly impressed by the high resolution of these examples. Based on my experience doing research on Stable Diffusion, scaling up the resolution is the conceptually easy part that only requires larger models and more high-resolution training data. The hard part is semantic alignment with the prompt. Attempts to scale Stable Diffusion, like SDXL, have resulted only in marginally better prompt understanding (likely due to the continued reliance on CLIP prompt embeddings). So, the key question here is how well Sora does prompt alignment.
- golol 3y agoThe real advancement is the consistency of character, scene, and movement!
- kolja005 3y agoThere needs to be an updated CLIP-like model in the open-source community. The model is almost three years old now and is still the backbone of a lot of multimodal models. It's not a sexy problem to take on since it isn't especially useful in and of itself, but so many downstream foundation models (LLaVA, etc.) would benefit immensely from it. Is there anything out there that I'm just not aware of, other than SigLIP?
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- nimbleal 3y agoI agree. I think one part of the problem is using English (or whatever natural language) for the prompts/training. Too much inherent ambiguity. I’m interested to see what tools (like control nets with SD) are developed to overcome this.
- swayvil 3y agoIt really makes me wonder if something like this is running inside my head. The prompt tho. Probably not text. Probably a stream of vibes or something.
- ta8645 3y agoYou're lucky if so. I have something closer to pong running inside my head.
- ummonk 3y agoLooked at the first clip and immediately noticed the woman's feet swap at ~15 seconds in. My eyes were drawn to the feet because of the extreme supination in her steps. Looks like a dramatic improvement in video generation but still a miss in terms of realism unless one can apply pose control to the generated videos.
- tzm 3y ago"so far ahead" "leaps and bounds beyond anything out there" "This is insane" Let's temper the emotions for a second. Sora is great, but it's not ready for prime time. Many people are working on this problem that haven't shared their results yet. The speed of refinement is what's more interesting to me.
- kevingadd 3y agoIt's interesting how a lot of the higher frequency detail is obviously quantized. The motion of humans in the drone shots for example is very 'low frequency' or 'low framerate', and things like flowing ocean water also appears to be quantized. I assume this is because of the internal precision of these models not being very high?
- ugh123 3y agoImagine a movie script, but with more detail of the scenes and actors, plugged into this. The killer app for this is being able to give a prompt of a detailed description of a scene, with actor movements and all detail of environment, structure, furniture, etc. Add to that camera views/angles/movement specified in the prompt along with text for actors.
- PepGuardiola 3y agoIn the future, you won't need to do any of that. Your own AI will generate a movie for you and ask you if you feel like watching a movie. You will love it. Because it will know your taste, your hobbies, your friends, ads, chat history, website you visited, ..everything.
- ugh123 3y agoI am a huge proponent for AI, especially in film making. But I hope that real people have the opportunity to write, act, and direct themselves, or with a small group of semi-professionals or even amateurs, their own blockbuster big-budget-looking movies.
- jk_tech 3y agoThis is bananas. This is ahead of anything else I've seen. The entire stock footage industry may be shut down over night because of something like this. And it is still not perfect. Looking at the example of the plastic chair being dug up in the desert[1] is frankly a bit... funky. But imagine in 5 or even 10 years. 1. https://openai.com/sora?video=chair-archaeology https://openai.com/sora?video=chair-archaeology
- m3kw9 3y agoImpressive actually, i can actually see UI being real time generated one day now. You give it data like real time stock data, feed it into Sora, the prompt is "I need a chart based on the data, show me different time ranges" As you move the cursor, it feeds into sora again, generating the next frame in real time.
- m3kw9 3y agoHow many of the video startups are shtting their pants right now?
- break_the_bank 3y agoIn less than a few hours Gemini 1.5 is old news. Sam is doing live demos on Twitter while Google just released a blog. Didn't think Google would be the first of the Facebook, Apple, Google and Microsoft to get disrupted.
- minimaxir 3y agoThere's not really too much to talk about Gemini 1.5 as it's an iteration and there's not much to test around the new context length. The Sora demos are more interesting.
- Alifatisk 3y agoI disagree, Gemini 1.5 is still impressive (if true) with the 10 million context size!
- umeshunni 3y agoIt'll be impressive when I can use it.
- alooPotato 3y agoyou can't use sora either
- VladimirGolovin 3y agoI did not expect this level of quality in the beginning of 2024. Makes me think that we may see AGI by the end of this decade.
- tropdrop 3y agoI see many possibilities for commercials, demos... not to mention kids' animations, of course. Actually, thinking of this from the perspective of a start-up, it could be cool to instantly demonstrate a use-case of a product (with just a little light editing of a phone screen in post). We spent a lot of money on our product demo videos and now this would basically be free.
- unleaded 3y agohow will the AI know what your product looks like? You probably already have CAD models, couldn't you import those into blender and make something in an afternoon or two?
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- dragonwriter 3y ago> how will the AI know what your product looks like? Training an embedding/LoRA on the product and using it with the base model, same as is done for image-generation models (video generation models usually often use very similar architecture to image generation models -- e.g., SVD is a Stable Diffusion 2.x family model with some tweaks.) Now, you may not be be able to do this with Sora when OpenAI releases it as a public product, just like you can't with DALL-E. But that's a limitation of OpenAI's decisions around what to expose, not the underlying technology.
- AbuAssar 3y agoSora means picture or image in Arabic language
- ilteris 3y agoWhere is the tool that we can try?
- HlessClaudesman 3y agoHow is this done technically? So many moving parts and the tracking on each is exquisite. My initial observation is that the camera moves are very similar to a camera in a 3D modeling program: on an inhuman dolly flying through space on a impossibly smooth path / bezier curve. Makes me wonder if there is actually a something like 3D simulation at the root here, or maybe a 3D unsupervised training loop, and they are somehow mapping persistent AI textures onto it?
- peterisza 3y agoholy ....
- doakes 3y agoThis is super cool. So many innovations come to mind. But it makes me wonder what will come from having the ability to virtually experience anything we want. It'll take a while, but I'm hoping we'll eventually want to go outside more instead of less.
- thomastraum 3y agoI am a CG artist and Director and this made me so sad. I am watching in horror and amazement. I am not anti AI at all, but being on the wrong side of efficiency, for the individual this is heartbreaking. its so much fun to make CG and create shots and the reason its hard (just like anything) makes it rewarding.
- superconduct123 3y agoI'm conflicted though because on the flip side it could open up filmmaking to way more people who don't have the skills/money/time Like what if any artist could make a whole movie by themself without needing millions of dollars or hundreds of people Similar to how you used to need a huge studio full of equipment to record music and now someone in their bedroom with a DAW can do it
- Zelphyr 3y agoI can't help but worry that this will make it too easy to create movies and the product will be of much lower quality. There is precedence here in the music industry. A recent report came out that said that about 70% of music sales was catalog music, implying that people are buying less new music than old. I personally feel that's because the new music just isn't very good and one of the reasons is, it's too easy to make and distribute music now.
- Solvency 3y agoThat is a ridiculous take. Look at the absolute SEA of bottom-barrel content flooding every single streaming platform. For people at the top of the studio system, they are already living out their AI power trips, just in the meatspace. The entire industry is already turning out terrible shit, but doing it by wasting hundreds of thousands of actors, production teams, and studio dollars in order to churn out that nonsense. Meanwhile, there are millions of latent storytellers, who, for whatever reason (but primarily: not born into extreme wealth and nepotistic connections) could never express their ideas in motion/cinema at such ambitious scales. By putting this power in the hands of actually talented writers and storytellers, you create a completely new market of potentially incredible works of art.
- crazygringo 3y agoThis is insane. But I'm impressed most of all by the quality of motion. I've quite simply never seen convincing computer-generated motion before. Just look at the way the wooly mammoths connect with the ground, and their lumbering mass feels real. Motion-capture works fine because that's real motion, but every time people try to animate humans and animals, even in big-budget CGI movies, it's always ultimately obviously fake. There are so many subtle things that happen in terms of acceleration and deceleration of all of the different parts of an organism, that no animator ever gets it 100% right. No animation algorithm gets it to a point where it's believable, just where it's "less bad". But these videos seem to be getting it entirely believable for both people and animals. Which is wild. And then of course, not to mention that these are entirely believable 3D spaces, with seemingly full object permanence. As opposed to other efforts I've seen which are basically briefly animating a 2D scene to make it seem vaguely 3D.
- swamp40 3y agoIt's been trained on videos exclusively. Then GPT-4 interprets your prompt for it.
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- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago> Motion-capture works fine because that's real motion Except in games where they mo-cap at a frame rate less than what it will be rendered at and just interpolate between mo-cap samples, which makes snappy movements turn into smooth movements and motions end up in the uncanny valley. It's especially noticeable when a character is talking and makes a "P" sound. In a "P", your lips basically "pop" open. But if the motion is smoothed out, it gives the lips the look of making an "mm" sound. The lips of someone saying "post" looks like "most". At 30 fps, it's unnoticeable. At 144 fps, it's jarring once you see it and can't unsee it.
- isthispermanent 3y agoPixar is computer generated motion, no?
- golol 3y agoThis does put a smile on my face
- beders 3y agoFinally, a true Star Wars prequel is in reach. Everybody gets their own :)
- gigatexal 3y agoI am genuinely impressed.
- rafaelero 3y agoholy shit
- kweingar 3y agoObviously incredibly cool, but it seems that people are incredibly overstating the applications of this. Realistically, how do you fit this into a movie, a TV show, or a game? You write a text prompt, get a scene, and then everything is gone—the characters, props, rooms, buildings, environments, etc. won’t carry over to the next prompt.
- fassssst 3y agoIt generates up to 1 minute videos which is like what all the kids are watching on TikTok and YouTube Shorts, right? And most ads are shorter than 1 minute.
- Janicc 3y agoA few months ago ai generated videos of people getting arrested for wearing big boots went viral on TikTok. I think this sort of silly "interdimensional cable" stuff will be really big on these short form video type sites once this level of quality becomes available to everyone.
- JamesSwift 3y agoRobot chicken, but full motion video
- dragonwriter 3y ago> You write a text prompt, get a scene, and then everything is gone—the characters, props, rooms, buildings, environments, etc. won’t carry over to the next prompt. Sure, you can't use the text-to-video frontend for that purpose. But if you've got a t2v model as good as Sora clearly is, you've got the infrastructure for a lot more, as the ecosystem around the open-source models in the space has shown. The same techniques that allow character, object, etc., consistency in text-to-image models can be applied to text-to-video models.
- matsemann 3y agoIt also seems hard to control exactly what you get. Like you'd want a specific pan, focus etc. to realize your vision. The examples here look good, but they aren't very specific. But it was the same with Dall-E and others in the beginning, and there's now lots of ways to control image generators. Same will probably happen here. This was a huge leap just in how coherent the frames are.
- void-pointer 3y agoThis is the beginning of the end, folks
- SushiHippie 3y agoI find the watermark at the bottom right really interesting at first it looks like random movement and then in the end it transforms into the OpenAI logo
- M4v3R 3y ago> The model can also take an existing video and extend it or fill in missing frames I wonder if it could be used as a replacement for optical flow to create slow motion videos out of normal speed ones.
- mushufasa 3y agoDo you think they announced this today to steal attention from Google/Gemini annuncement?
- crazygringo 3y agoNo, corporate announcements are very much planned in advance. There's a lot of coordination that has to happen. This is just coincidence, unless one of the companies had inside information about the other's announcement and timing. But that's pretty unlikely.
- sorokod 3y agoJust in time for the election season. Also "A cat waking up its sleeping owner demanding breakfast" has too many paws - yes I do feel petty saying this.
- matsemann 3y agoAnd the sleeper's shoulder gets converted to the duvet? And a strange extra hand somewhere. It was also the one that to me stood out as the worst. The quality was good, but it had the same artifacts as previous generations of ai videoes where thing morphs.
- birriel 3y agoWith the third and last videos (space men, and man reading in the clouds), this is the first time I have found the resolution indistinguishable from real life. Even with SOTA stills from Midjourney and Stable Diffusion I was not entirely convinced. This is incredible.
- corobo 3y agoOooh this is gonna usher in a new wave of GPT wrappers! If anyone's taking requests, could you do one that takes audio clips from podcasts and turns them into animations? Ideally via API rather than some PITA UI Being able to keep the animation style between generations would be the key feature for that kind of use-case I imagine.
- sys32768 3y agoGame of Thrones Season 8 will be great in a few years.
- gondo 3y agoThis might be amazing progress, but I would never know as the website is consistently crashing Safari on my iPhone 13.
- khazhoux 3y agoThe focus here is on video motion, but I'm very impressed by the photorealistic humans.
- ulnarkressty 3y agoTo put it into perspective, the Will Smith eating spaghetti video came out not even a year ago -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQr4Xklqzw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQr4Xklqzw8
- 0x4164 3y agoNow, we can make anyone eat spaghetti with this AGI model.
- system2 3y agoExtremely meme quality video made by a kid though.
- ekms 3y agoYou do know that video wasnt like... state of the art video generation a year ago? It's an intentionally silly meme video
- brandly 3y agoLink to state of the art at the time please!
- marvin 3y agoThe relevant state of the art here, is the state of "what can an 8-year old kid who just learned how to type" create videos of. That was even worse 12 months ago!
- derac 3y agoIt was state of the art "Will Smith eating spaghetti". The idea being that it's a tough thing to generate.
- maximus-decimus 3y agoAnd this was made over 3 years ago : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WfZuNceFDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WfZuNceFDM
- kuprel 3y agoNext they have to add audio, then VideoChatGPT is possible
- torginus 3y agoI'm not sure about others, but I'm extremely unnerved about how OpenAI just throws these innovations out with zero foreshadowing - it's crazy how the world's potentially most life-changing company operates with the secrecy of a black military program. I really wonder what's going to come out of the company and on what timeline.
- superconduct123 3y agoThat's what's mindblowing to me It doesn't feel like a slow incremental progress, the last AI videos I've seen were terrible Its like suddenly a huge jump in quality
- Jackson__ 3y agoIt is a sudden jump in quality. A mere _month_ ago, this is what googles SOTA was: https://lumiere-video.github.io/ https://lumiere-video.github.io/
- marvin 3y agoOpenAI is the Manhattan Project of machine intelligence. Private-sector.
- throwitaway222 3y agoWhat in the flying f just happened. I guess we've all just been replaced.
- partiallypro 3y agoThese are insanely good, but there are still some things that just give them away (which is good, imo.) Like the Tokyo video is amazing, the reflections, etc are all great, but the gaits of people in the background and how fast they are moving is clearly off. It sticks out once you notice it. These things will obviously improve as time marches on. The fear I have has less to do with these taking jobs, but in that eventually this is just going to be used by a foreign actor and no one is going to know what is real anymore. This already exists in new stories, now imagine that with actual AI videos that are near indistinguishable from reality. It could get really bad. Have an insane conspiracy theory? Well, now you can have your belief validated by a completely fictional AI generated video that even the most trained eyes have trouble debunking. The jobs thing is also a concern, because if you have a bunch of idle hands that suddenly aren't sure what to believe or just believe lies, it can quickly turn into mass political violence. Don't be naive to think this isn't already being thought of by various national security services and militaries. We're already on the precipice of it, this could eventually be a good shove down the hill.
- bottlepalm 3y agoWhy aren't you more afraid of ASI? We're clearly just dancing around it at this point.
- partiallypro 3y agoReal AGI is farther away than I think people think, and the tendency for mankind to destroy itself is much better demonstrated than machines doing that even when that time comes.
- kilbuz 3y agoThis is like seeing the first packets ever sent on the internet and noting that latency is high, lol.
- ulnarkressty 3y agoI do hope that they have a documentary team embedded in this company, like DeepMind had. They're making historical advancements on multiple fronts.
- tehsauce 3y agoIt's fascinating that it can model so much of the subtle dynamics, structure, and appearance of the world in photorealistic detail, and still have a relatively poor model of things like object permanence: https://cdn.openai.com/sora/videos/puppy-cloning.mp4 https://cdn.openai.com/sora/videos/puppy-cloning.mp4 Perhaps there are particular aspects of our world that the human mind has evolved to hyperfocus on. Will we figure out an easy way make these models match humans in those areas? Let's hope it takes some time.
- ionwake 3y agoHow long until there is an open source model for.... text to video? Genuine question I have no idea
- jenny91 3y agoAbsolutely insane. It's very odd where the glitches happen. Did anyone else notice in the "stylish woman ... Tokyo" clip how her legs skip-hop and then cross at 0:30 in a physically impossible way. Everything else about the clip seems so realistic, yet this is where it trips up?
- mitthrowaway2 3y agoAnd the cat that wakes up the woman in bed, has three front paws! And that woman seems to be wearing the blanket as though they were pyjamas. Still, it's usually very hard to notice the inconsistencies -- just like the subtle inconsistencies we might see in our dreams.
- jenny91 3y agoYes, there's some really weird hand-blanket morphing going on in that cat shot. Similarly in the guy reading a book on a cloud, the pages flip in a physically impossible way at one point. I just think it's perplexing how they got things so right, yet so wrong. How did they implement this?!
- psb217 3y agoShe's also wearing a different jacket at the end of the video. Continuity is not maintained when the video zooms back out to a wider shot after the close-up on her face. See, e.g., no zipper on end jacket and obvious zipper on jacket earlier in the video, or placement of the silver "buttons" and general structure of the lapels. The background details are particularly "slippery" in these videos. E.g., in the initial video of walking along a snowy street in Japan, characters on the left just sort of merge into/out of existence. It's impressive locally, but the global structure and ability to paint in finer-grained details in a physically plausible way fails similarly to current image gen models, but more noticeably with the added temporal dimension.
- qiller 3y agoThe construction scene has people appearing out of thin air, changing jacket colors, and in general weird things happening
- synapsomorphy 3y agoHoly cow, I've literally only looked at the first two videos so far, and it's clear that this absolutely blows every other generative video model out of the water, barely even worth comparing. We immediately jumped from interesting toy models where it was pretty easy to tell that the output was AI generated to.. this.
- nopinsight 3y agoMany might miss the key paragraph at the end: "Sora serves as a foundation for models that can understand and simulate the real world, a capability we believe will be an important milestone for achieving AGI." This also helps explain why the model is so good since it is trained to simulate the real world, as opposed to imitate the pixels. More importantly, its capabilities suggest AGI and general robotics could be closer than many think (even though some key weaknesses remain and further improvements are necessary before the goal is reached.) EDIT: I just saw this relevant comment by an expert at Nvidia: “If you think OpenAI Sora is a creative toy like DALLE, ... think again. Sora is a data-driven physics engine. It is a simulation of many worlds, real or fantastical. The simulator learns intricate rendering, "intuitive" physics, long-horizon reasoning, and semantic grounding, all by some denoising and gradient maths. I won't be surprised if Sora is trained on lots of synthetic data using Unreal Engine 5. It has to be! Let's breakdown the following video. Prompt: "Photorealistic closeup video of two pirate ships battling each other as they sail inside a cup of coffee." ….” https://twitter.com/DrJimFan/status/1758210245799920123 https://twitter.com/DrJimFan/status/1758210245799920123
- kevmo314 3y agoWhat is latent space if not a representation of the real world?
- nopinsight 3y agoPretty sure many latent spaces are not trained to represent 3D motions and some detailed physics of the real world. Those in pure text LLMs, for example.
- xtracto 3y agoWhat I want is an AI trained to simulate the human body, allowing scientists to perform artificial human trials on all kind of medicines. Cutting trial times from years to months.
- delichon 3y agoOr to simulate the short or long term regret you'll feel for eating the meal in the photo.
- torginus 3y agoI wonder why the input is always text - can't it be text, as well as a low quality blender scene with a camera rig flying through space, a moodboard, sketches of the characters etc.?
- thepasswordis 3y agoMy guess is because the models were all trained on text. You could do as you say, but I think it would go: blender video {gets described by an AI into text}-> text prompt -> video.
- cboswel1 3y agoWho owns a person’s likeness? Now that we’re approaching text to video of a quality that could fool an average person, won’t this just open a whole new can of worms if the training models are replicating celebrities? The ambiguity around copyright when something on paper is in the style of seems to fall into an entirely separate category than making AI generated videos of actual people without their consent. Will people of note have to get a copyright of their likeness to fight its use in these models?
- Workaccount2 3y ago$100 on the table that studios create new celebrities that they own the rights too.
- hyperion2010 3y agoNo need to take the bet, reality is already there. Miku is the endgame for idols. Forever young. Will never have a boyfriend. Always follows the script, or not when the team managing her decides they need a little drama. etc. etc. etc.
- danjoredd 3y agoPorn is about to get so much weirder
- ed_balls 3y agoHow to invest in OpenAI?
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- bilsbie 3y agoCould this same technology be used to make games? It seems like it has a built in physics engine.
- lairv 3y agoThe 3D consistency of those videos is insane compared to what has previously been done, they must have used some form of 3D regularization with depth or flow I think
- xyproto 3y agoThe big question is if it will be able to create a video of whisky without ice or a car without windows.
- lacoolj 3y agoTotal coincidence this comes out the day Google announces Gemini 1.5 I'm sure
- throwitaway222 3y agohttps://openai.com/sora?video=cat-on-bed https://openai.com/sora?video=cat-on-bed Even though many things are super impressive, there is a lot of uncanny valley happening here.
- mitthrowaway2 3y agoYes, the cat has three hands...
- gwern 3y agoCats are like hands: they are hilariously hard for generative models and then after thinking about it, you realize that cats/hands really are hard. I mean, look at photos of a black cat curled up where it might have its paws sticking out at any angle from anywhere from a solid black void. How the heck do you learn that?
- vilius 3y agoThe Lagos video (https://openai.com/sora?video=lagos https://openai.com/sora?video=lagos) is very much how my dreams unfold. One moment, I'm with my friends in a bustling marketplace, then suddenly we are no longer at the marketplace, but rather overlooking a sunset and a highway. I wonder if there are some conceptual similarities how dreams and AI video models work.
- ladberg 3y agoYeah that one has more surreal elements every time you watch it: the people at the table are giants compared to everyone else, someone is headless, the kid's hand warps around like crazy.
- ericzawo 3y agoWhy can't AI take the non-fun jobs?
- ta8645 3y agoWhy are you able to have a fun job, when another human has a non-fun job? Because you're more talented and have skills they lack. Same goes for AI versus you. You're just starting to feel what billions of other people have felt, for a long time.
- Pugpugpugs 3y agoYeah but AI can't experience pleasure.
- ta8645 3y agoCustomers care about results, not whatever pleasure it creates for the vendor.
- Pugpugpugs 3y agoWow really? Thanks for your insight buddy.
- ta8645 3y agoThanks, that means a lot, especially coming from someone who was commenting on the ability of AI to feel pleasure.
- Pugpugpugs 3y agoWe're both saying "the current system is bad because the way it works will interact with ai to create negative outcomes" and you're saying "wow you're very stupid, here's how the system works." We're aware friend, that's the problem.
- dsign 3y agoThis is impressive and amazing. I can already see a press release not too far down the road: "Our new model HoSapiens can do everything humans can do, but better. It has been specifically designed to deprecate humanity. We are working with red teamers — domain experts in areas like union busting, corporate law and counterinsurgency, plus our habitual bias, misinformation, and hateful content against AI orange team— who will be adversarially testing the model.
- hooande 3y agoThis really seems like "DALL-E", but for videos. I can make cool/funny videos for my friends, but after a while the novelty wears off. All of the AI generated media has this quality where I can immediately tell that it's ai, and that becomes my dominant thought. I see these things on social media and think "oh, another ai pic" and keep scrolling. I've yet to be confused about whether something is ai generated or real for more than several seconds. Consistency and continuity still seem to be a major issues. It would be very difficult to tell a story using Sora because details and the overall style would change from scene to scene. This is also true of the newest image models. Many people think that Sora is the second coming, and I hope it turns out to have a major impact on all of our lives. But right now it's looking to have about the same impact that DALL-E has had so far.
- mbm 3y agoYeah, you really have to fast-forward 5 to 10 years. The first cars or airplanes didn't run particularly well either. Soon enough, we won't be able to tell.
- thorncorona 3y agoThese limitations are fine for short form content ala reels / tiktok. I think the younger generations will get used to how it looks.
- MrNeon 3y ago> I've yet to be confused about whether something is ai generated or real for more than several seconds. How did you rule out survivorship bias?
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- bilsbie 3y agoI wish this was connected to chatgpt4 such that it could directly generate videos as part of its response. The bottleneck of creating a separate prompt is very limiting. Imagine asking for a recipe or car repair and it makes a video of the exact steps. Or if you could upload a video and ask it to make a new ending. That’s what I imagine multi modal models would be.
- max_ 3y agoThis is amazing! 1. Why would Adrej Karpathy leave when he knows such an impressive breakthrough is in the pipeline? 2. Why hasn't Ilya Stuskever spoken about this?
- taejavu 3y agoNo idea for your first question, but wouldn't the answer to the second be "NDA's and or other legal concerns"?
- dwighttk 3y agoWhat do y’all think caused the weird smoke/cloud in the mammoth video?
- throwitaway222 3y agoHow many of you think YT is looking through their logs trying to find a high burn rate of videos that might possibly be from Open AI?
- rareitem 3y agoI used to think a few years ago that virtual reality/ai projects such as the mataverse wouldn't amount to anything big. I even thought of them ridiculous. Even recently, I thought that GPT's and ai generated images would be the pinnacle of what this new ai wave would amount to. I just keep getting baffled.
- Jeve11326gr6ed 3y agoHow can I get started
- helix278 3y agoThey're attaching metadata to the videos which can be easily removed. Aren't there techniques to hash metadata into the content itself? I.e. such that removing the data would alter the image.
- d--b 3y agoJesus Christ. AGI can’t be far off, that stuff clearly understand a bunch of high level concepts.
- ericra 3y agoIt's been said a thousand times, but the "open" in openai becomes more comical every day. I can't imagine how much money they will generate from such a tool, and I'm sure they will do everything possible to keep a tight lid on all the implementation details. This product looks incredible...
- chrishare 3y agoI am very uncomfortable with this being released commercially without the requisite defence against misuse being also accessible. If we didn't have a problem with deepfakes, spam, misleading media before, we surely are now. All leading AI organisations are lacking here, benefiting from the tech but not sufficiently attacking the external costs that society will pay.
- wilg 3y agoWhat's "the requisite defence"?
- __loam 3y agoSomething like a watermark (doesn't necessarily have to be visible to people) and a tool to detect that watermark might be nice for example. Or alternatively we could stop developing this hell technology and try to automate something that isn't cultural expression.
- wilg 3y agoBoth of those are included and mentioned in the linked article.
- Palmik 3y agoI'm very uncomfortable with this technology being accessible only to a small and arbitrary subset of the population.
- guybedo 3y agoLooks like OpenAI managed to burry Gemini 1.5 news. I guess it was anticipated.
- karpour 3y agoNot a single line saying anything about training data.
- hubraumhugo 3y agoThe amount of VC money in the text-to-video space that just got wiped out is impressive. Have we ever seen such fast market moves? Pika - $55M Synthesia - $156M Stability AI - $173M
- guwop 3y agoObviously they did not get "wiped" out. Where can i use Sora right now ?
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- taejavu 3y agoDo we know anything yet about the maximum resolution of the output, or how long it takes to generate these kind of examples?
- zamadatix 3y agoThe technical report mentions it the training data was fed at up to 1920x1080 (allowing for a vertical 1080x1920 as well) so I'd guess that's why all of these videos were 1080p or lower, any larger and it probably gets wonky fast. I didn't see anything on absolute compute requirements and their impact on time to generate though.
- alex201 3y agoIt's a revolutionary thing, but I'll reserve my judgment until I see if it can handle the real challenge: creating a video where my code works perfectly on the first try.
- cush 3y agoDoes OpenAI hang out with these kinds of features in their back pocket just waiting for a Gemeni announcement so they can wait an hour and absolutely dunk on Google?
- gigglesupstairs 3y agoLooking at the scale of this announcement, it’s likelier that Google just preempted their announcement with their own.
- cfr2023 3y agoI want to storyboard/pre-vis/mess around with this ASAP
- sebastiennight 3y agoI think the implications go much further than just the image/video considerations. This model shows a very good (albeit not perfect) understanding of the physics of objects and relationships between them. The announcement mentions this several times. The OpenAI blog post lists "Archeologists discover a generic plastic chair in the desert, excavating and dusting it with great care." as one of the "failed" cases. But this (and "Reflections in the window of a train traveling through the Tokyo suburbs.") seem to me to be 2 of the most important examples. - In the Tokyo one, the model is smart enough to figure out that on a train, the reflection would be of a passenger, and the passenger has Asian traits since this is Tokyo. - In the chair one, OpenAI says the model failed to model the physics of the object (which hints that it did try to, which is not how the early diffusion models worked ; they just tried to generate "plausible" images). And we can see one of the archeologists basically chasing the chair down to grab it, which does correctly model the interaction with a floating object. I think we can't underestimate how crucial that is to the building of a general model that has a strong model of the world. Not just a "theory of mind", but a litteral understanding of "what will happen next", independently of "what would a human say would happen next" (which is what the usual text-based models seem to do). This is going to be much more important, IMO, than the video aspect.
- seydor 3y agoFacebook released something in that direction today https://ai.meta.com/blog/v-jepa-yann-lecun-ai-model-video-joint-embedding-predictive-architecture/ https://ai.meta.com/blog/v-jepa-yann-lecun-ai-model-video-jo...
- sebastiennight 3y agoWow this is a huge announcement too, I can't believe this hasn't made the front page yet.
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- superconduct123 3y agoSo do we think this is the "breakthrough" that was mentioned back when the Sam Altman stuff was going on?
- internetter 3y agoThe watermark is interesting. Looks like it's unique for every video so they can trace it to the creator?
- countmora 3y ago> We’re also building tools to help detect misleading content such as a detection classifier that can tell when a video was generated by Sora. I am curious of how optimised their approach is and what hardware you would need to analyse videos at reasonable speed.
- neutralx 3y agoHas anyone else noticed the leg swap in Tokyo video at 0:14. I guess we are past uncanny, but I do wonder if these small artifacts will always be present in generated content. Also begs the question, if more and more children are introduced to media from young age and they are fed more and more with generated content, will they be able to feel "uncanniness" or become completely blunt to it. There's definitely interesting period ahead of us, not yet sure how to feel about it...
- Kydlaw 3y agoYep, I noticed it immediately too. Yet it is subtle in reality. I'm not that good to spot imperfections on picture but on the video I immediately felt something was not quite right.
- SirMaster 3y agoThey swap multiple times lol. Not to mention it almost always looks like the feet are slightly sliding on the ground with every step. I mean there are some impressive things there, but it looks like there's a long ways to go yet. They shouldn't have played it into the close up of the face. The face is so dead and static looking.
- micromacrofoot 3y agocertainly not perfect... but "some impressive things" is an understatement, think of how long it took to get halfway decent CGI... this AI thing is already better than clips I've seen people spend days building by hand
- hank808 3y agoYep! Glad I wasn't the only one that saw that. I have a feeling THEY didn't see it or they wouldn't have showcased it.
- ryanisnan 3y agoI don't think that's the case. I think they're aware of the limitations and problems. Several of the videos have obvious problems, if you're looking - e.g. people vanishing entirely, objects looking malformed in many frames, objects changing in size incongruent with perspective, etc. I think they just accept it as a limitation, because it's still very technically impressive. And they hope they can smooth out those limitations.
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- hansoolo 3y agoIs it really just coincidence that Andrej Karpathy just left yesterday?
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoThis is all very impressive. I can't help to wonder though. How is text-to-video going to benefit humanity? That's what OpenAI is supposedly about, right? We'll get some groundbreaking film content out of this in the hands of a few talented creatives, and a vast ocean of mediocre content from the hands of talentless people who know how to type. What's the benefit to humanity, concretely?
- andai 3y agoThat's exactly what we have now with YouTube.
- dinobones 3y agoIf a model can generate it, it can understand it. They can probably reverse engineer this to build a multi-modal GPT that is fed video and understands what is going on. That's how you get "smart" robots. Active scene understanding via the video modality + conversational capabilities via the text/audio modality.
- internetter 3y agoBut we can already do this?
- chidiw 3y ago> Sora serves as a foundation for models that can understand and simulate the real world, a capability we believe will be an important milestone for achieving AGI.
- dorkwood 3y agoThat struck me as a line they added to drum up more funding.
- nycdatasci 3y agoFor models to interact with real-world objects, they first need to understand those objects. These videos demonstrate just how advanced that awareness is. The goal is not to generate videos. Of course, they could and likely will build products on this capability, but the long-term goal is bigger.
- Sxubas 3y agoI wonder what this tech would do using a descriptive fragment from a book. I don't read many books at all but I would spend some time feeding in fantasy fragments and see how much they differ from what I imagined.
- dartos 3y agoGod the legs of the woman walking are horrifying.
- tsunamifury 3y agoThe film "The Congress" will end up being the most on point prediction of our future in ever. I can't believe it. Im in shock.
- bscphil 3y agoNot that this isn't a leaps and bounds improvement over the state of the art, but it's interesting to look at the mistakes it makes - where do we still need improvements? This video is pretty instructive: https://cdn.openai.com/sora/videos/amalfi-coast.mp4 https://cdn.openai.com/sora/videos/amalfi-coast.mp4 It "eats" several people with the wall part of the way through the video, and the camera movements are odd. Strange camera movements, in response to most of the prompts, seems like the biggest problem. The model arbitrarily decides to change direction on a dime - even a drone wouldn't behave quite like that.
- cyrialize 3y agoDoes anyone know how to handle the depression/doom one feels with these updates? Yes, it's a great technical achievement, but I just worry for the future. We don't have good social safety nets, and we aren't close to UBI. It's difficult for me to see that happen unless something drastic changes. I'm also afraid of one company just having so much power. How does anyone compete?
- simpaticoder 3y agoI felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of animators suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
- ethbr1 3y agoThe writing has been on the wall for that for awhile though... Every large animation studio has continually been looking for ways to decrease the number of artists required to produce a film, since the beginning of the field.
- Balgair 3y agoI don't know who in the upper parts of the various guilds in Hollywood saw this demo'd last summer, but they really really took notice. Those strikes went on for a long time, and it seems that holding out and getting the clause in to exclude this kinda tech was a brilliant bit of foresight. Holy heck, in 5 years, maybe just a year, this kinda tech is going to take nearly all their jobs.
- moneywoes 3y agodoesn’t that apply to software as well
- ethbr1 3y agoIt does, but I daresay the world's appetite for "more software" (in all applications) seems to be infinite.
- itissid 3y agoI've to go lie down...
- kashnote 3y agoAbsolutely unreal. Kinda funny how some people are complaining about minor glitches or motion sickness when this is the most impressive piece of technology I've seen. Way to go, OpenAI.
- seydor 3y agoThis inside VR goggles would make it amazing. probably it wouldnt even need to render 360, it would generate it on demand. I better go get some feeding tube
- bsimpson 3y agoThat's the difference between Donkey Kong Country and the N64 (or perhaps between Pixar and Quake). The amount of power needed to generate this can't be feasible for real time VR today. There's a reason even the company that invented (massive and free) Gmail is charging for its top tier generative AI.
- timetraveller26 3y agoIs this real life? Or is just a generated fantasy?
- s-xyz 3y agoThis is seriously insane, in particular as someone mentioned the quality of it. I can't wait to play around with this. SICK!
- lagrange77 3y agoFinally new TNG episodes!
- lagrange77 3y agoThey should generate a video of Steve Jobs introducing this in a keynote.
- stephenw310 3y agoThe results are mindblowing, to say the least. But will they allow developers to fine-tune this eventually? OpenAI is still yet to give that ability to txt2img DALLE models, so I doubt that will be the case.
- mlsu 3y agoThey must be using techniques from NeRF in here, maybe in tokenization? The artifacts are unmistakeable.
- 0xcb0 3y agoWow, feels unreal. Can't believe we have come so far, yet we cannot solve the worlds most basic problems and people still starve each day.
- ij09j901023123 3y agoWe thought programmers, fast food workers, and drivers would be automated first. Turns out, it's movie / video, actors, editors and artists....
- Pmop 3y agoWe all are going to get automated out of the workforce together :)
- john2x 3y agoSilver lining in this I guess. If everyone realizes at the same time they're all f'd together, regardless of "skill", then maybe there's a chance we can all work together to save ourselves. No chance to think "sucks for you, but I'm good here" like so often happens with other issues.
- rglover 3y agoI was super on board until I saw...the paw: https://player.vimeo.com/video/913131059?h=afe5567f31&badge=0&autopause=0&player_id=0&app_id=58479&loop=1 https://player.vimeo.com/video/913131059?h=afe5567f31&badge=... Exciting for the potential this creates, but scary for the social implications (e.g., this will make trial law nearly impossible).
- zuminator 3y agoWow. If I saw this clip a year ago I wouldn't think, "The image generator fucked up," I'd just think that a CG effects artist deliberately tweaked an existing real-world video.
- rglover 3y agoYeah, if that gets cleaned up (one would expect it to in time), this is going to change a lot.
- comicjk 3y agoIf I understand trial law correctly, the rules of evidence already prohibit introducing a video at trial without proving where it came from (for example, testimony from a security guard that a given video came from a given security camera). But social media has no rules of evidence. Already I see AI-generated images as illustrations on many conspiracy theory posts. People's resistance to believing images and videos from sketchy sources is going to have to increase very fast (especially for images and videos that they agree with).
- al_borland 3y agoAll the more reason why we need to rely on the courts and not the mob justice (in the social sense) which has become popular over the last several years.
- a_wild_dandan 3y agoNothing will change. Confirmation bias junkies already accept far worse fakes. People who use trusted sources will continue doing so. Bumping the quantity/quality of fabricated horseshit won't move the needle.
- cooper_ganglia 3y agoIt's always kinda crazy to me to see an emerging technology like this have it's next iteration in the development pipeline, and even after seeing the First Gen AI video models, even many of the HN people here still say, "Meh, not that impressive." Brother, have you seen Runway Gen 2, or SVD 1.1? I'm not excited about Sora because I think it looks like Hollywood animations, I'm excited because an open-source 3rd-Gen Sora is going to be so much better, and this much progression in one step is really exciting!
- kaimac 3y agomeanwhile people are dying
- superconduct123 3y ago*while you're on Hacker News
- darkhorse13 3y agoDoes anyone else feel a sense of doom from these advancements? I'm definitely not a Luddite, I've been working professionally as a programmer for quite some time now, but I just can't shake this feeling. And this is not in the "I might lose my job to this" kind of feeling, that's obviously there, but it's something deeper, more sinister. I don't think I can explain it properly. Anyway, videos look incredible. I genuinely can't believe my eyes.
- slothtrop 3y agoIt allows the technical possibility for a post-truth reality, where it's impossible to tell what's true and what isn't. Every piece of information fed through your machine and smartphone. That's the scariest part to me. We need to get ahead of that, because certain interests will be fabricating things with it. As jobs go, well, we're a long ways from full automation but this represents some serious growing pains that will decimate certain jobs and replace them with few. Not sure what the reaction will be on the consumption side, revulsion or enthusiasm. The "handcrafted" market will still be there but then you wouldn't really know if any AI was used. In a long enough timeline we can hand-wave this away with UBI/negative tax. But ah, the most at-risk workers are the professional services, white-collar upper-middle class types, even engineers but to a lesser extent. So I wonder what kind of upheaval that would cause.
- sweetbacon 3y agoCertain interests are already fabricating voices in political robocalls in New Hampshire. I chill at what the US will see as we approach the Presidential election this fall. Then again, maybe it will give us an early taste to better prepare for what is to come.
- a_wild_dandan 3y agoThe proliferation of convincing fakes will be a massive problem in about twenty years ago.
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- aubanel 3y agoI love how they show the failure cases: compare that with Gemini 1.5 pro's technical paper that carefully avoids any test where it does not seem like a 100% perf! I think confronting your failures a condition for success, and Google seems much too self-indulgent here.
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- ij09j901023123 3y agoApple vision pro + OpenAI entertainment on the fly + living in a tight pod next to millions of other people, hooked onto life support. A wonderful matrix fantasy
- redm 3y agoWhy are all the example videos in slow motion?
- ein0p 3y agoThat actually looks borderline useful in practice. 3 years from now someone will make a decent full length movie with this.
- notpachet 3y agoOpenAI: Prompt: The camera follows behind a white vintage SUV with a black roof rack as it speeds up a steep dirt road surrounded by pine trees on a steep mountain slope... Sora: plays GTA V
- itissid 3y agoHow does one cope with this? - Disruptions like this happen to every industry every now and then. Just not on the level of "Communicating with people with words, and pictures". Anduril and SpaceX disrupted defense contractors and United Launch Alliance; Someone working for a defense contractor/ULA here affected by that might attest to the feeling? - There will be plenty of opportunity to innovate. Industries are being created right now. People probably also felt the same way when they saw HTTP on their screens the first time. So don't think your career or life's worth of work is miniscule, its just a moving target, adapt & learn. - Devil is in the details. When a bunch of large SaaS behemoths created Enterprise software an army of contractors and consultants grew to support the glue that was ETL. A lot of work remains to be done. It will just be a more imaginative glue.
- hello_newman 3y agoTotally agree with you. Most of the responses in this thread remind me of why I don't typically go into the comment section of these announcements. It's way too easy to fall into the trap set by the doomsday-predicting armchair experts, who make it sound like we're on the brink of some apocalypse. But anyone attempting to predict the future right now is wasting time at best, or intentionally fear mongering at worst. Sure, for all we know, OpenAI might just drop the AGI bomb on us one day. But wasting time worrying about all the "what ifs" doesn't help anyone. Like you said, there is so much work out there to be done, _even if_ AGI has been achieved. Not to get sidetracked from your original comment, but I've seen AGI repeatedly mentioned in this thread. It's really all just noise until proven otherwise. Build, adapt, and learn. So much opportunity is out there.
- kypro 3y ago> But wasting time worrying about all the "what ifs" doesn't help anyone. Worry about the what if is all we have as a species. If we don't worry about how stop global warming, or how we can prevent a nuclear holocaust these things become more far more likely. If OpenAI drops an AGI bomb on us then there a good chance that's it for us. From there it will just be a matter of time before a rouge AGI or a human working with an AGI causes mass destruction. This is every bit as dangerous as nuclear weapons - if not more dangerous – yet people seem unable to take the matter as seriously as it needs to be taken. I fear millions of people will need to die or tens of millions will need to be made unemployable before we even begin to start asking the right questions.
- d4rkp4ttern 3y agoMind blown of course. Two things are interesting: - No audio -- that must have been hard to add, or else it would have been there. - Spelling is still probably hard to do (the familiar DallE problem)... e.g. a video showing a car driving past a billboard with specified text.
- slothtrop 3y agoMy intuition is that training on audio will be trivial if they can accomplish this for video. Maybe I'm wrong.
- pradn 3y agoIt's impressive, but I think it's still in the same category as even the best LLMs: the demos look good and they can be quite useful, but you can never quite trust them. You really can't just have an LLM write a whole report for you - who knows what facts it'll make up, what it'll miss? You really can't use this to generate video for work, who knows where the little artifacts are (it's easier to tell with video). The future of these high-fidelity (but not perfect) generative AI systems is in realizing we're going to need "humans in the loop". This means designing to output human-manipulable data - perhaps models/skeletons/textures instead of whole output. Pixels are hard to manipulate directly! As for entertainment, already we see people sick of CGI - will people really want to pay for AI-generated video?
- speedgoose 3y agoI subscribe to Disney+ and some of the content is a lot less perfect than the Sora videos presented there.
- bufferoverflow 3y ago> The future of these high-fidelity (but not perfect) generative AI systems is in realizing we're going to need "humans in the loop" Last weekend my 7 year old decided he wanted to make and sell a shirt with an image of a space cat shooting a laser gun. It took him like 1 minute to use free Dalle3 to make and choose an image. Then I showed him a website to remove the background. Then I showed him a tool to AI-upscale the image. Then we uploaded it to Amazon Merch, it got approved after a few hours, and now it's for sale on Amazon. It took us maybe 10 minutes of effort end-to-end. Involved no artists. Funny enough, Amazon is full of AI-designed merch, there were like 7 pages of shirts with space cats with lasers.
- pradn 3y agoOh sure, for "low end" applications, even this wave of generative AI is going to pull the rug under artists. I'm talking about, say, art for video games and actual movies.
- itissid 3y agoSo what happens to the film industry now? - Local/Bespoke high quality video content creation by ordinary Joes: Check. - Ordinary joes making fake porn videos for money: Check. - Reduce cost for real movies dramatically by editing in AI scenes: Check. A whole industry will get upturned.
- slothtrop 3y agoRE worrying about the future: what concerns me most is post-truth reality. Being thrown into a world where it's impossible to tell fact from fiction is insane and dangerous. Just thinking about it evokes paranoia. We're nowhere near full-automation, these are growing pains, but maybe the canary in the goldmine for the job market. Expect more enthusiasm for UBI or negative tax and the like and policies to follow. Cheap energy is also coming eventually, just slower.
- foobar_______ 3y agoFeels like another pivotal moment in AI. Feel like I’m watching history live. I think I need to go lay down.
- telesilla 3y agoWatching these made me think, I'm going to want to go to the theatre a lot more in the future and see fellow humans in plays, lectures and concerts. Such achievements in technology must lead to cultural change. Look at how popular vinyl has become, why not theatre again.
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- imiric 3y agoDo you feel the same way about modern movies? CGI is so ubiquitous and accessible, that most movies use some form of it. It's actually news when a filmmaker _doesn't_ use CGI (e.g. Nolan). These advancements are just the next step in that evolution. The tech used in movies will be commoditized, and you'll see Hollywood-style production in YouTube videos. I'm not sure why you think theater will become _more_ popular because of this. It has remained popular throughout the years, as technology comes and goes. People can enjoy both video and theater, no?
- Buckworthy 3y agoImagine movies generated in real-time just for you, with the faces you know, places you know and what not!
- nomadpenguin 3y agoThat would suck. I want to see something I haven't seen before.
- iwsk 3y agoYour wish is Sora's(or its successor model's) prompt.
- sussmannbaka 3y agoI am a much better software engineer than I am a director. I can guarantee you that I don’t want to see anything that I could prompt.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoShall I get into the unemployment line now and beat the rush?
- impulser_ 3y agoThis is good, but far from being useful or production ready. It's still too easy to notice these are all AI rendered.
- gebt 3y agoThanks but we saw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39380165 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39380165 https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn97733259&docId=FREF20240206125856&linkId=1#docIndex=0&page=1 https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn97733259&docI...
- qwertox 3y agoThe one with the grandma is outright scary. All the lies...
- lorenzofalco 3y agoAhora si que si se jodio todo. Apaga todo o desco ecta
- elorant 3y agoThis could kill the porn industry.
- lxe 3y agoBlown every expectation way away....
- lagrange77 3y agoHas anyone noticed the label on the surfing otter's lifejacket? :D
- accra4rx 3y agoMore layoffs
- lqcfcjx 3y agoThis is very impressive. I know in general people are iffy about research benchmark. How does it work to evaluate text-to-video types of use cases? I want to have some intuition on how much this is better than other systems like pika quantatively.
- jgalt212 3y agoThese looks like well done PS5 games. Which, of course, is a great achievement.
- jmfldn 3y agoTechnically breathtaking, but why do these examples of AI-generated content always have a cheap clipart vibe about them? So naff and uninspired given the, no doubt, endless potential this technology has. I also feel a sense of dread too. Imagine the tidal wave of rubbish coming our way. First text, then images and now video can be spewed out in industrial quantities. Will it lead to a better culture? In theory it could, in practice I just feel like we'll be deluged with exponentially more mediocre "content" .
- MobinaMaghami 3y agohi, my name is mobina and I am from Iran. I want to make a video from text and so yeah. thank you for watching.
- MobinaMaghami 3y agoare you gays all hackers? I am not
- quadcore 3y agoHN server runs smoothly and is having a walk in the park it seems - impressive compared to previous OpenAI annoucements. Has there been significant rollouts?
- system2 3y agoInstead of 1 core 2 GB RAM, they now have 2 core 4 GB RAM so it is running okay now.
- cdme 3y agoI don't understand why anyone would find these videos compelling enough to watch. They're visually polished, but totally uninteresting.
- kromem 3y agoSo the top two stories are about a model that can generate astonishingly good video from text and a model that has a context window which allows it to process and identify nuanced details in an hour long video. We've fairly quickly moved from a world where AIs would communicate with each other through text to one in which they can do so through video. I'm very curious how something like Sora might end up being used to generate synthetic training data for multimodal models...
- albertzeyer 3y agoIt's such a shame that they aren't releasing any detailed technical paper anymore on all the technical details of the model and how it was trained. *Edit* Oh, I just read here (https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/1armmng/d_openai_sora_video_gen_how/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/1armmng/d_...) that a technical paper should be released later today?
- david_shi 3y agoIf you draw a line from Pong (1972, or 52 years ago) to Sora, what does that imply for the quality and depth of simulations in 2076 (52 years in the future)? Would we be able to perceive the differences between those and the physical world? I can't help but feel like there is a proof for the simulation theory possible here.
- pxeger1 3y agoFunny that this launched so soon after Gemini 1.5. I guess OpenAI have a strong incentive to dominate the media narrative.
- multicast 3y agoEven though this is highly impressive, I think it is still important to stay rational and optimistic to see the other side of the coin. Every industrial revolution and its resulting automation has brought not only more jobs but also created a more diverse set of jobs. Therefore also new industries are created. History rhymes, the ruling fears in such times have always been similar. Claims are being made but without any reasonable theories, expertise or provable facts (e.g. Goldman Sachs unemployment prediction is absolute bs). This is even more true when such related AI matters are thought about in more detail. Furthermore, even though employing tens of millions of people probably, only a few industries like content creation, movie etc. are affected. The affacted workforce of these industries is highly creative, as they are being paid for their job. The set of jobs today is big, they won't become cleaning staff nor homeless. This technology has also to proof itself (Its technical potential is unlimited but financially limited by the size of funds being invested, and these are limited) Transition to the use of such tools in corporations could take years, depending on the type and size and other parameters. People underestimate the inefficiencies that a lot of companies embody - and I am only talking about the US and some parts of Europe here. If a company did their job for 2 decades the same way, a sudden switch does not happen overnight. Affected people have ways to transition to other industries, educate themselves further and much more. Especially as someone living in the west, the opportunities are huge. And in addition, the wide array of different variables about the economy and the earth, and everything its differing societies are, comes into play: Some corporations want real videos made by real people; Some companies want to stay the way they are and compete using their traditional methods; Corporations are still going to hire ad agencies - ad agencies whose workflow his now much more efficient and more open to new creative spheres which benefits both customer and themselves. They list could go one endlessly. Lots of people seem to fear or think about the alleged sole power OpenAI COULD achieve. But would that be a problem, would "another Alphabet" be a problem? Hundreds of millions of people benefited and are benefiting today from their products. They have products that are reliable and work (This forum consisting of tech experts is a niche case, nearly all people don't care at all if data on them is being used for commercial purposes). Google had a patent guaranteed monopoly on search. But here we have: an almost non patented or patentable market, an open source community, other companies of all sizes competing, innovation happening and much more. It is true that companies like OpenAI have more funds available to spend than others, but such circumstances have always driven competition and innovation. And at the end of the day, customers are still going to use the best product they have decided to be so. I know I may be stating the obvious but: The economy and the world is a chaos system with a unpredictable future to come.
- Animats 3y agoThe Hollywood Reporter says many in the industry are very scared.[1] “I’ve heard a lot of people say they’re leaving film,” he says. “I’ve been thinking of where I can pivot to if I can’t make a living out of this anymore.” - a concept artist responsible for the look of the Hunger Games and some other films. "A study surveying 300 leaders across Hollywood, issued in January, reported that three-fourths of respondents indicated that AI tools supported the elimination, reduction or consolidation of jobs at their companies. Over the next three years, it estimates that nearly 204,000 positions will be adversely affected." "Commercial production may be among the main casualties of AI video tools as quality is considered less important than in film and TV production." [1] https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/openai-introduces-ai-video-tools-encroaches-hollywood-1235826527/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ope...
- theptip 3y agoProbably a bad time to be an actor. Amazing time to be a wannabe director or producer or similar creative visionary. Bad time to be high up in a hierarchical/gatekeeping/capital-constrained biz like Hollywood. Amazing time to be an aspirant that would otherwise not have access to resources, capital, tools in order to bring their ideas to fruition. On balance I think the ‘20s are going to be a great decade for creativity and the arts.
- sva_ 3y ago> Probably a bad time to be an actor. I'm thinking people will probably still want to see their favorite actors, so established actors may sell the rights to their image. They're sitting on a lot of capital. Bad time to be becoming an actor though.
- throwaway743 3y agoLikely less and less tho given that people will be able to generate a hyper personalized set of actors/characters/personalities in their hyper personalized generated media. Younger generations growing up with hyper personalized media will likely care even less about irl media figures.
- marbletiles 3y agoIt’s heartening and gives me hope that the reaction here is so full of scepticism and concern. Sometimes proceeding with caution is warranted.
- layer8 3y agoThe left hand of the Tokyo woman looks really creepy, especially from second ~20 onward. I guess some things don’t change. ;)
- jibalt 3y agoSomething odd happens with that Tokyo woman's legs. First she skips a couple of times, then her feet change places.
- majani 3y agoIn the last few days I've been asking myself what would drive the next big leap in advertising efficiency after big data and conversion pixels. I think I have my answer now. This is going to disrupt the ad agency side of the business big time.
- 0xE1337DAD 3y agoHow far are we from just giving it a novel and effectively asking it to create a TV series from it
- thesmart 3y agoWhat real life problem does this solve?
- chipweinberger 3y agothe same problem movies and tv solve, for one. entertainment?
- birracerveza 3y agoThis comment cannot honestly be in good faith, come on now. You seriously can’t think of a single practical application for generating arbitrary media content on demand?
- HEGalloway 3y agoThis is a great technical achievement, but in a couple of years time this will be as interesting as AI image generators.
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- SandroG 3y agoThis is surreal, both literally and figuratively.
- geor9e 3y agoLooking forward to someone feeding it the first draft of The Empire Strikes Back https://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/the-empire-strikes-back-first-draft-by-leigh-brackett-transcript/ https://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/the-empire-strikes-back-...
- eggplantemoji69 3y agoObviously concern yourself with your job and what you need to do to ensure you can obtain buying power going forward, but most problems and concerns about things like these go away if you just turn off your tech, or really be intentional about your usage. Extremely hard to do, it is, but you’ll become quasi-Amish and realize how little is actually actionable and in our control. You’ll also feel quite isolated, but peaceful. There’s always tradeoffs. You can’t have something without giving up not-something, if that makes sense. Edit: So, essentially, ignorance is bliss, but try to look past the pejorative nature of that phrase and take it for what it is without status implications.
- pants2 3y agoAnother step in the trend of everything becoming digital (in film and otherwise). It used to be that everything was done in camera. Then we got green screens, then advanced compositing, then CGI, then full realistic CGI movies modeled after real things and mocap suits. Now we're at the end game, where there will be no cameras used in the production of a movie, just studios of people sitting at their computers. Because more and more, humans are more efficient at just about anything when aided by a computer.
- al_borland 3y agoA bicycle for the mind.
- javednissar 3y agoI question how much anyone has really used these models if they actually think these systems can replace people. I’ve consistently failed to get professional results out of these things and the degree of work required to get professional results makes me think a new class of job will be created to get professional results out of these systems. That being said, there is value in these systems for casual use. For example, me and my girlfriend got into the habit of sending little cartoons to each other. These are cartoons we would have never created otherwise. I think that’s pretty awesome.
- Trasmatta 3y agoThe more I use them, the more I get a sense of something fundamental that's missing, and the less I worry about losing my job. It's hard to describe, I need to think harder about what that feeling is.
- TillE 3y agoArt is communication, it's as simple as that. Computer generated stuff isn't communicating anything.
- kristofferR 3y agoMost people who work in "the arts" probably aren't communicating anything directly either - they just create the scenes, sound effects, textures, animation, models +++ that someone above them in the organization has asked them to create for their project.
- danielbln 3y agoWhat's the difference between having an idea, then putting an actor on a set, lighting them, doing background green screen set extension afterwards, digital clean up, etc. vs doing all of that generatively? How is asking a VFX house for animated footage any different than generating it? If art is intent, there is no reason you can't generate the building blocks that reflect that intent, no?
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- XCSme 3y agoIf this can generate videos in real-time (60FPS), then you can, in theory, create any game just from text/prompts. You just write the rules of the game and the player input, and let the AI generate the next frame.
- ShamelessC 3y agoPretty unlikely this generates in real-time.
- XCSme 3y ago"Two papers down the line..."
- gatane 3y agoAI was a mistake
- sylware 3y agoHopefully we will see AIs with tools which are not "paint" or "notepad", but a maths formal proof solver, etc. But I have a problem: I am unable to believe the videos I saw were dreamt by AI. I can feel deeply that I do believe there is some trickery or severe embellishment. If I am wrong, I guess we are at an inflexion point. I can recall 10+ years ago, we were talking "in hacking groups" about AI because we thought the human brain alone was not good enough anymore... but in a maths/sciences context.
- eggplantemoji69 3y agoValue is going to be higher for professions where the human essence is an essential component of the function. Or professions that are more coupled with physical reality…my hedge is probably becoming an electrician. I’d imagine IRL no-tech experiences will be the new ‘escapes’ too. Maybe I’m too idealistic about the importance of the human spirit/essence…whatever that actually is.
- srameshc 3y agoProbably we humans will come to a point where we wouldn't even bother ourselves with making videos. We may just consume based on our emotional state on the fly generated by such services.
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- CommanderData 3y agoAll the software engineers and VFX people training to become plumbers. I'm afraid your clients will be jobless or underpaid by that time. Jokes aside. It's becoming more apparent, Power will further concentrate to big tech firms.
- LeicaLatte 3y agoReal GPT-4 moment. Your 3500 MacBook cannot do this.
- thelastparadise 3y agoThis looks like state of the art?
- StarterPro 3y agoCall me whatever you want, but this technology should not exist. People to just create lifelike videos of anything they can put their mind to, is bound to lead to the ruining of many peoples' lives. As many people that are aware and interested in this technology, there is 100x people who have no idea, don't care or can't comprehend it. Those are the people that I fear for. Grab a few pictures of the grandkids off of facebook, and now they have a realistic ransom video to send. Am i being hyperbolic? I don't think so. Anything made by humans can be broken. And once its broken and out there, good luck.
- nurumaik 3y agoPeople will adapt pretty fast and will stop trusting videos
- jprete 3y agoYou mean like they stopped trusting the Internet, or YouTube videos, or newspapers, or old broadcast TV news? Except they didn't, because it's impossible to live life successfully without information sources beyond one's eyes and ears. That's why this technology should not exist.
- bigyikes 3y agouhhh… i would respond differently to your rhetorical question… there’s never been greater distrust of legacy media, and the fact that you can’t trust everything you read on the internet has been a trope for decades
- jprete 3y agoGood point.
- Nathanba 3y agoMaybe it's a useful thing to ponder why faked photoshopped pictures were never a big problem in human life. I think maybe it's because we use a lot of pictures in our lives, sure. But ultimately we have so much context that a fake would be easy to detect and therefore irrelevant. At most people used photoshop to alter images of documents.
- HermitX 3y agoAI will eventually be capable of performing most of the tasks humans can do. My neighbor's child is only 6 years old now. What advice do you think I should give to his parents to develop their child in a way that avoids him growing up to find that AI can do everything better than he can?
- colordrops 3y agoIt's not his choice. It's the choice of the ruling class as to whether they will share the wealth or live in walled gardens and leave the rest of us in squalor outside the city walls.
- dogcomplex 3y agoIt is his (parents') choice in terms of whether he reaches for the tools that are just lying around right there. We can run AI video on consumer hardware at 12fps that is considerably less consistent than this one - but that's just an algorithm and model training away. This is not all just locked up at the top. Anyone can enter this race right now. Sure, you're gonna be 57,000th at the finish line, but you can still run it. And if you're feeling generous, use it to insulate your local community (or the world) from the default forces of capitalism taking their livelihoods. We'll have to still demand from the ruling class - cuz they'll be capable of ending us with a hand wave, like they always have. But we can build, too.
- kypro 3y agoIf you want an honest answer you should tell the parents to vote for politicians prepared to launch missile strikes on data centers to secure their child's future. People who are worried purely about employment here are completely missing the larger risks. Realistically his child is going to be unemployable and will therefore either starve or be dependant on some kind of government UBI policy. However UBI is completely unworkable in an AI world because it assumes that AI companies won't just relocate where they don't need to pay tax, and that us as citizens will have any power over the democratic process in a world where we're economically and physically worthless. Assuming UBI happens and the child doesn't starve to death, if the government alter decides to cut UBI payments after receiving large bribes from AI companies what would people do? They can't strike, so I guess they'll need to try to overthrow the government in a world with AI surveillance tech and policing. Realistically humans in the future are going to have no power, and worse still in a world of UBI the less people there leaching from the government means the more resources there are for those with power. The more you can kill the more you earn. And I'm just focusing on how we deal with the unemployment risks here. There's also the risk that AI will be used to create biological weapons. The risk of us creating a rogue superintelligent AGI. The risk of horrific AI applications like mind-reading. Assuming this parent loves their child they should be doing everything in their power to demand progress in AI is halted before it's too late.
- Devasta 3y agoThis technology is going to destroy society. Want to form a trade union I'm your workplace? Best be ready to have videos of you jacking off to be all over the internet. Videotape a police officer brutalising someone? Could easily have been made with AI, not admissable. These things will ruin the ability to trust anything online.
- colordrops 3y agoNaw, if/when it gets to that, media won't be believed or admissable unless signed with someone's private keys or otherwise attested.
- seabombs 3y agoAll the examples feel so familiar, like I have seen them all before buried in the depths of YouTube and long-forgotten BBC documentaries. Which I guess is obvious knowing roughly how the training works. I guess what I'm wondering is how "new" the videos are, or how closely do they mimic a particular video in the training set? Will we generate compelling and novel works of art with this, or is this just a very round-about way of re-implementing the YouTube search bar?
- seabombs 3y agoMaybe this was a big influence on the woolly mammoth example: https://youtu.be/EzzTX3DYMNs?si=WS28fsf5j6SBI1-7&t=15 https://youtu.be/EzzTX3DYMNs?si=WS28fsf5j6SBI1-7&t=15 Also interesting that some of the examples ignore details in the prompts. No clouds or sun in the sky, no depth of field, their hair isn't blowing in the wind.
- noisy_boy 3y agoTo those who are saying, look at this at a positive and it lets people unleash their creativity? - This enables everyone to be creators - Given that everyone's creativity isn't top notch, highest quality will be limited to a the best - So rest of us will be consumers - How will we consume if we don't have work and there is no UBI?
- daxfohl 3y agoWe won't and the world will go into a massive depression, destroying the market for AI produced garbage and staving off global warming for a few extra years in the process. So even better than UBI.
- CaptainFever 3y agoIf "Given that everyone's creativity isn't top notch, highest quality will be limited to a the best", that implies the existence of professionals, which implies work.
- noisy_boy 3y agoI meant those that are proficient/creative enough to be creating top content using AI but if we take it further to AI using AI, then yes, its AI all the way down.
- wnc3141 3y agoI wonder if we as a society, have overrated value created digitally, and underrated value created physically or with proximity. We still need nurses, cooks, theater, builders etc.
- johnwheeler 3y agoHoly fuck
- billiam 3y agoI find creepy things in all the videos, despite their breathtaking quality at first glance. Whether it is the way the dog walks out into space or the clawlike hand of the woman in Tokyo, they are still uncanny valley to me. I'm not going to watch a movie made this way, even if it costs my $0.15 instead of $15.00. But I got tired of Avatar after watching it for 20 minutes. Maybe all the artificial abundance and intellectual laziness the generative AI world will make us realize how precious and beautiful the real world is. For my kids' sake, I hope so.
- cheschire 3y agoSure, but imagine using this as a generative-fill to augment a movie, not just making an entire movie from it. We've seen fantastic homemade movies from very talented artists before. Now imagine if mostly talented artists could do it too.
- justinl33 3y agoThis will probably cost some downvotes, but can we start a thread explaining the architecture behind this for this interested in how it actually works?
- Tempest1981 3y agoThe rendering of static on the TVs is interesting/strange. Must be hard for AI to generate random noise: Video 7 of 8 on the 2nd player on the page. > Prompt: The camera rotates around a large stack of vintage televisions all showing different programs — 1950s sci-fi movies, horror movies, news, static, a 1970s sitcom, etc, set inside a large New York museum gallery.
- justinl33 3y agoTechnical report here: https://openai.com/research/video-generation-models-as-world-simulators https://openai.com/research/video-generation-models-as-world...
- packetlost 3y agoI wonder how much of a blocker to real use not having things like model rigging or fine-tuned control over things will be to practical use of this? Clearly it can be used in toy examples with extremely impressive results, but I'm not entirely convinced that, as is, it can replace the VFX industry as a whole.
- jononomo 3y agoMaybe this means someone will make a non-superhero movie now.
- oxqbldpxo 3y agoUS Elections about to peak, terrible timing.
- wsintra2022 3y agoSeriously cannot wait to be able to put a 1 weeks worth of dream diary into a tool like this and see my dream inspired movies!
- xkgt 3y agoThis is pretty impressive, it seems that OpenAI consistently delivers exceptional work, even when venturing into new domains. But looking into their technical paper, it is evident that they are benefiting from their own body of work done in the past and also the enormous resources available to them. For instance, the generational leap in video generation capability of SORA may be possible because: 1. Instead of resizing, cropping, or trimming videos to a standard size, Sora trains on data at its native size. This preserves the original aspect ratios and improves composition and framing in the generated videos. This requires massive infrastructure. This is eerily similar to how GPT3 benefited from a blunt approach of throwing massive resources at a problem rather than extensively optimizing the architecture, dataset, or pre-training steps. 2. Sora leverages the re-captioning technique from DALL-E 3 by leveraging GPT to turn short user prompts into longer detailed captions that are sent to the video model. Although it remains unclear whether they employ GPT-4 or another internal model, it stands to reason that they have access to a superior captioning model compared to others. This is not to say that inertia and resources are the only factors that is differentiating OpenAI, they may have access to much better talent pool but that is hard to gauge from the outside.
- anupamchugh 3y agoWow. And just like that fliki.ai and similar products have been sherlocked. Great time to be a creator, not the best time to be a product developer, production designer
- booleandilemma 3y agoDoes Google have a competing product I can join the wait list for?
- kccqzy 3y agoNo public access but they have Lumière: https://lumiere-video.github.io/ https://lumiere-video.github.io/
- wingspar 3y agoWatched the MKBHD video on this and couldn’t help but think about copyrights when he spoke of the impact on stock footage companies. As I understand the current US situation, a straight prompt-to-generate-video cannot be copyrighted. https://www.copyright.gov/ai/ai_policy_guidance.pdf https://www.copyright.gov/ai/ai_policy_guidance.pdf But the copyright office is apparently considering the situation more thoroughly now. Is that where it stands? If it can’t be copyrighted, it seems that would tamper many uses.
- donsupreme 3y agoAll current form of entertainment will be impacted, all of them. Except for live sporting events. This is why I think megacorps all going to bid for sport league streaming right. That's the only one that AI can't touch.
- aurareturn 3y agoAnyway to benefit economically from this trend?
- justin66 3y agoNow that they’ve gone corporate, the OpenAI corporate motto ought to be “Because We Could.”
- justanotherjoe 3y agoWhat the f. What. I'm no AI pessimist by any means but I thought there are some significant hurdles before we get realistic, video generation without guidance. This is nothing short of amazing. It's doubly amazing when you think that the richness of video data is almost infinitely more than text, and require no human made data. The next step is to combine LLM with this, not for multimodal, but to team up together to make a 'reality model' that can work together to make a shared understanding? I called LLMs 'language induced reality model' in the past. Then this is 'video induced reality model', which is far better at modeling reality than just language, as humans have testified.
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- dang 3y agoRelated ongoing thread: Video generation models as world simulators - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39391458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39391458 - Feb 2024 (43 comments) Also (since it's been a while): there are over 2000 comments in the current thread. To read them all, you need to click More links at the bottom of the page, or like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386156&p=2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386156&p=2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386156&p=3 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386156&p=3 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386156&p=4[etc https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386156&p=4[etc.]
- geor9e 3y agoToday we scroll social media feeds where every post we see is chosen by an algorithm based on all the feedback it gets from our interactions. Now imagine years down the road when Sora renders at 60 fps, every frame influenced by our reaction to the prior frame.
- whyenot 3y agoThe world is changing before our eyes. It's exciting, sure, but I am also deeply afraid. AI may take humans to the next level, but it may also end us. ...and our future lies in the hand of venture capitalists, many of whom have no moral compass, just an insatiable hunger to make ever larger sum of money.
- ramathornn 3y agoWow, some of those shots are so close to being unnoticeable. That one of the eye close up is insane. It’s interesting reading all the comments, I think both sides to the “we should be scared” are right in some sense. These models currently give some sort of super power to experts in a lot of digital fields. I’m able to automate the mundane parts of coding and push out fun projects a lot easier today. Does it replace my work, no. Will it keep getting better, of course! People who are willing to build will have a greater ability to output great things. On the flip side, larger companies will also have the ability to automate some parts of their business - leading to job loss. At some point, my view is that this must keep advancing to some sort of AGI. Maybe it’s us connecting our brains to LLMs through a tool like Neuralink. Maybe it’s a random occurrence when you keep creating things like Sora. Who knows. It seems inevitable though doesn’t it?
- offsign 3y agoOne of things I've loved about HN was the quality of comments. Whether broad or arcane, you had experts the world over who would tear the topic apart with data and a healthy dose of cynicism. I frequently learned more from the debate and critique than I did from the "news" itself. I don't know what is it about AI and current state of tech, but the discourse as of late has really taken a nosedive. I'm not saying that any of this conjecture won't happen, but the acceleration towards fervor and fear mongering on the subject is bordering on religiosity - seriously, it makes crypto bros look good. And yeah -- looks like some cool new tech from OpenAI, and excited when I can actually dig in. Would also love it if I could hire their marketing department.
- ThrowawayTestr 3y agoIt's pretty obvious why. Automation has finally come for programmers so now everyone here is anti-progress.
- fisf 3y agoThis. Many people here have a lucrative career in traditional fields, big tech, etc. Working in those fields is good. Building "products" is good (even if that only means optimizing conversion rates and pushing ads). Doing well in the traditional financial sense (stocks and USD) is good. Anything that rocks the boat (crypto, ai) is bad.
- _blk 3y ago"We’ll be taking several important safety steps ahead of making Sora available in OpenAI’s products. We are working with red teamers — domain experts in areas like misinformation, hateful content, and bias — who will be adversarially testing the model." - To make sure that the perfectly unbiased algorithms are biased against bias. So in essence, red teamers as in commies I suppose.
- selvan 3y agoAd generation usecases are getting interesting with Video generation + Controlnet + Finetuning
- TriangleEdge 3y agoWelp, goodbye internet, it was fun to know you.
- alokjnv10 3y agoI'm simply blown away
- alokjnv10 3y agoHow will it effect gaming industry? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393252
- alokjnv10 3y agoI'm just blown away. This can't be real. But lets be face the truth. Its even more impressive than ChatGPT. I think its the most impressive AI tech i've seen till now. I'm speechless. Now the big question is. As OpenAI keeps pushing boundaries, it's fascinating to see the emergence of tools like Sora AI, capable of creating incredibly lifelike videos. But with this innovation comes a set of concerns we can't ignore. So i'm worried about getting these tools misused. I'm thinking about what impact could they have on the trustworthiness of visual media, especially in an era plagued by fake news and misinformation? And what about the ethical considerations surrounding the creation and dissemination of content that looks real but isn't? And, what we should do to tackle these potential issues? Should there be rules or guidelines to govern the use of such tools, and if so, how can we make sure they're effective?
- SubiculumCode 3y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=39393236 https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=39393236 Its why I submitted this. We need some way to attest the authenticity of images.
- Marwari 3y agoVideos don’t feel real though this is best thing I have ever seen on topic ‘text-to-video’. I am sure this will go so far and become more realistic. But does this mean that we will not hire actors and creators but we will hire video editors who can stitch all together and prompt writers who can create tiny videos for story.
- alokjnv10 3y agoI'm just blown away. This can't be real. But lets be face the truth. Its even more impressive than ChatGPT. I think its the most impressive AI tech i've seen till now. I'm speechless. Now the big question is. As OpenAI keeps pushing boundaries, it's fascinating to see the emergence of tools like Sora AI, capable of creating incredibly lifelike videos. But with this innovation comes a set of concerns we can't ignore. So i'm worried about getting these tools misused. I'm thinking about what impact could they have on the trustworthiness of visual media, especially in an era plagued by fake news and misinformation? And what about the ethical considerations surrounding the creation and dissemination of content that looks real but isn't?
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- hoc 3y agoEverytime OpenAI comes up with an new fascinating gen model it also allows for that bluntly eye-opening perspective on what flood of crappy und unnecessary content we have been gotten accustomed to being thrown at us. Be it blown-up text description and filler talk, to these kind of vodka-selling commercial videos. It's a nice cleansing benefit that comes with these really extraordinary tech achievement that should not be undervalued (after all it produces basically an endless amount of equally trained producers like the industry did in a - somehow malformed - way before). Poster frames and commercials thrown at us all the time, consumed by our brains to a degree that we actually see a goal in producing more of them to act like a pro. The inflationary availability that comes with these tools seems a great help to leave some of this behind and draw a clearer line between it and actual content. That said, Dall-E still produces enough colorful weirdness to not fall into that category at all.
- Zuiii 3y agoWhat goes around, comes around. I'm glad this is happening. Gitty and friends should be driven out of business for their absurd stunt they pulled with image search. Yes, I'm still bitter about that.
- aggrrrh 3y agoLooking at it and in my opinion it just reinforces theory that we live in simulation
- krisboyz781 3y agoOpenAI will be the most valuable company in history at this rate. This is insane
- jon37 3y agoThis is a weapon.
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- firefoxd 3y agoNow I can finally adapt my short story into a short film. All for however this thing will end up costing.
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- ta93754829 3y agoputs on the movie industry
- _virtu 3y agoIn the future, we're not going to have common tv shows or movies. We'll have a constantly evolving stream of entertainment that's perfectly customized to the viewer's preferences in real time. This is just the first step.
- nomad86 3y agoDemo is always better than the real product. We'll soon see how it works...
- velo_aprx 3y agoI don't think i like the future.
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- throwaway4good 3y agoWhat’s the connection between this and high end game engines (like unreal 5). I would expect 3d game engines to be used at least for training data and fine tuning. But perhaps also directly in the generation of the resulting videos? For example this looks very much like something from a modern 3d engine: https://twitter.com/OpenAI/status/1758192957386342435 https://twitter.com/OpenAI/status/1758192957386342435
- kypro 3y agoThey almost certainly trained on video game output and this is clearly bleeding into the style of some of these demos. The SUV video for example looks very much like something you'd see in a modern video game which probably makes sense because most videos with kind of perspective are going to be from video games. I don't know how they would use game engines directly for training and fine tuning though. It would be far too labour intensive to render high quality scenes using a video game engine for every prompt.
- apexalpha 3y agoWow. It's bizarre to see these video's. Creating these video's in CGI is a profession that can make you serious money. Until today. What a leap.
- pantulis 3y agoThis is the harbinger that announces that, as a technologist, the time has come for me to witness more and more things that I cannot understand how they work any more. The cycle has closed and I have now become my father.
- georgespencer 3y agoI'm on the very cusp of this, you helped me realize. Thanks.
- megamix 3y agoThankfully it's nothing magical. But are you willing to learn about it or not? Think about animation, how a program can generate a sequence of a bouncing ball between two key frames. Think about what defines a video. The frames right? From there I can try to imagine.
- pantulis 3y ago> But are you willing to learn about it or not? This is the key. I have enough curiosity to want learn the stuff from the ground up, just as I did with other technologies. But man do I have the stamina today? Not so sure!!!
- mihaic 3y agoThe difference is that now nobody really "understands" what's going on, it's just that some know how to build these.
- psychoslave 3y agoHow is that new? People built a gnomon, a stick was thrust into the soil and ta-da. No doubt it happened far before any writing system was out there. So it still took human quite some time to come with a compelling helio-centric model to cast some grabbable explanation of it all, even if you take Aristarchus of Samos as a pionner in this field.
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- timonoko 3y agoWhat is the first book you want to see movie of? It should be verbatim and last a week, if needed. I vote for Hothouse, by Brian W Aldiss. So many images need to imagined, like spiders that jump to the moon and back again.
- wslh 3y agoWhere is the link to try it, ChatGPT doesn't know anything about it: "Sora" is not a video generation technology offered by OpenAI. As of my last update in April 2023, OpenAI provides access to various AI technologies, including GPT (Generative Pre-trained Transformer) for text generation and DALL·E for image generation. For video generation or enhancement, there might be other technologies or platforms available, but "Sora" as a specific product related to OpenAI or video generation does not exist in the information I have. If you're interested in AI technologies for video generation or any other AI-related inquiries, I'd be happy to provide information or help with what's currently available!
- hyperhopper 3y agoWhy would chatGPT know about anything new?
- wslh 3y agoMarketing and Sales?
- hnaccountme 3y agoAI = Better CGI
- CapitalTntcls 3y agoGood by civilization
- quonn 3y ago> Sora serves as a foundation for models that can understand and simulate the real world, a capability we believe will be an important milestone for achieving AGI. Why would it?
- alkonaut 3y agoIt's odd how the model thinks "historical footage" could be done by drone. So it understands that there should be no cars in the picture. But not that there should be no flying perspective.
- mihaic 3y agoThis is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how to manage the situation.
- LoveMortuus 3y agoWe are all standing on the shoulders of giants, whose existence and names we will never know or acknowledge. The way these models are creative is the same way humans are. The artist that painted Mona Lisa didn't credit any of the influences and inspirations that they had. Just as cameras made many artists redundant, so too will every other new tool, and not just artist but pretty much every job. But there are still people that weave baskets, and people are prepared to pay the premium to get a product that was 'hand-made'. While receiving the credit that you are deserved is nice and fair. The world doesn't work that way.
- padolsey 3y ago"The world doesn't work that way". Quite pessimistic a position to hold here, no? We–in technology especially–are in positions of significant leverage. We should be talking about how we can limit the negatives and bolster the positives from these generative models. The world can work in a different way if we put enough energy into it. We don't have to stand by as subjects of inertia. That is why OpenAI and others are treading carefully, trying to trigger some kind of momentum of reflection instead of letting our base demons run amok.
- Avicebron 3y agoThat's a massively charitable reading on their actions, whenever I see a "thought leader" behind these companies talk about how careful they are being, I just see marketing. Someone desperately trying to impress upon everyone how revolutionary their model and by extension they are, it's kind of sad..
- globular-toast 3y agoThis might actually ruin video and films for me. I don't want to be looking out for AI giveaways in everything I watch. I can see a new market for true end-to-end analogue film productions emerging for people who like film.
- danielbln 3y agoEh, it's like watching out for VFX giveaways.
- tokai 3y agoEven the good ones look kinda bad.
- steveBK123 3y agoGenuinely impressive. I've always been a digital stills guy, and dabbled in video.. as a hobby. As a hobbyist, I always found the hardest thing is making something worth looking at. I don't see AI displacing the pleasure of the art for a hobbyist. My next guess is the 80/20% or 95/5% problem is gonna be stuff like dialogue matching audio and mouth/face motion. I do see this kind of stuff killing the stock images / media illustrator / b-roll footage / etc jobs. Could a content mill pump out plausibly decent Netflix video series given this tool and a couple half decent writers.. maybe? Then again it may be the perpetual "5 years away". There's a wide gap between generating filler content & producing something people choose to watch willingly for entertainment.
- Lichtso 3y agoHere is my prediction of how this will play out for the entertainment industry in the coming decades: Phase 1 (we are here now): While generative AI is not good enough to directly produce parts of the final product, it can already be used to quickly prototype styles, stories, designs, moods, etc. A good chunk of the unnamed behind-the-scenes-people will loose their job. Phase 2: While generative AI is still expensive, the output quality is sufficient to directly produce parts of / the entire final product. Big production outlets will use it to produce AAA titles and blockbusters. Even actors, directors and other high publicity positions will be replaced. Phase 3: The production cost will sink further until it becomes attainable by smaller studios and indie productions. The already fierce markets will be completely flooded with more and more quantity over quality. Advertisement will not be pre-produced and cut into videos anymore but become very subtle product placements, impossible for ad-blockers to strip from the product. Phase 4: Once the production cost falls below the price of one copy of the product, we will get completely customized entertainment products tailored to our personal taste. Online communities will emerge which craft skeletons / templates which then are filled out by the personal parameter sets of the consumers. That way you can still share the experience with friends even though everybody experiences a different variation. Phase 5: As consumers do not hit any production limits any more (e.g. binge watch their favorite series ad infinitum) and the product becomes optimized to be maximally addictive by measuring their reaction to it, it will become impossible for most human beings to resist. The entertainment mania will reach its peak and social isolation, health issues and economic factors will bring down the human reproduction rate to basically zero. Phase 6: Human civilization collapsed within one or two generations and the only survivors will be extremely technology-adverse people by selection. AGI might have happened in the meantime but did not have the time to gracefully take over and remodel the human infrastructure to become self sufficient. Instead a strict religion will rule the lands and the dark ages begin anew. Note that none of this is new, it is just the continuation and intensification of already existing trends. This is also not AGI doomerism as it does not involve a malicious AGI gone rouge or anything like that. It is simply what happens when human nature meets powerful technology. TLDR: While I love the technology I can only see very negative long-term outcomes from this.
- generagent 3y agoThis is machine simulated art. It is not a convincing simulation to videographers, yet it pleases software architects and other non-visual artists. Aptitude for visual art making provokes envy in some who lack it. The drive to simulate art is almost as common as the desire to be recognized as a capable visual artist. The most interesting generative art I’ve seen does not attempt verisimilitude. Children want their art to look real. Verisimilitude is hard, especially for children and quasi AI.
- slowturtle 3y agoI can’t wait for the day I can strap on my Apple® Vision Pro® 9 with OpenAI® integration and spend all my time interfacing (wink) with my virtual girlfriend. Sure my unlit 3 by 3 meter LifePod® is a little cramped and my arm itches from the Soylent® IV drip, but I’ll save so much time by not having to go outside and interact with legacy humans!
- 0xRusty 3y agoStrap it on? Haven't you heard? The vison pro 9 will be a chip grown on your retina.
- machiaweliczny 3y agoVision pro 10 will be interfacing with your brain using your life simulation for it's own computations. Wait what?
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- seydor 3y agoThat sounds like a nightmare! You have to buy so many products, you have to keep them charged and you re still missing on so much. You should instead get the Neuralink plug-in pod with builtin feeding tube and catheter
- nox101 3y agoApple doesn't allow "wink" in apps so no, this will not be happening on an Apple Vision Pro
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- totaldude87 3y agoWhat happens when humanity stops generating new content/recording new findings/knowledge etc ? are at a place where whatever we had is enough knowledge for AI takeover? or we are heading towards a skynet-y feature
- sulayman1 3y agoAs a counterpoint, i don't think that the average person has stopped taking pictures just because image generation models exists. Nor have people stopped pursuing other hobbies impacted by AI. We don't go to museums to look at AI art that was created in 10 seconds and I doubt culture will shift to a point where that's common place. Human content will still be created, and we will probably see the general quality of that content increase as a result of foundational models. Content creation is taking whats in the mind and translating it into the physical/digital realm. With better AI, this translation becomes easier for a lot of fields and you no longer have to master the use devices to make your art quality. However, everyone can agree that prompt based generation is a lot less satisfying than making content from scratch. It feels more akin to a google search than a satisfying creative process. Those who are passionate and talented will continue to pursue their physical medium because of this. The monetary value of generic stock content will surely drop and won't be created by professionals anymore. However, that doesn't mean people stop taking pictures of their dog just because they can get midjourney to generate the same thing. Creation for the sake of creation will continue. AI companies will initially reap in a lot of the $ value that used to go to the creators of stock content, but when open source models reach parity the masses will be able to make what's in their mind a reality as casual creators. Hobbyists will still exist and those that become truly great will still rise to notoriety.
- dr__mario 3y agoI'd love to feel excited by all these advancements and somehow I feel numb. I get part of the feeling (worry about inequalities it may generate), but I sense something more. It's like I see it as a toy... I'm unable to dream on how this will impact my life in any meaningful way.
- boppo1 3y agoImagine dumping all the HIPAA data into a process like this. Obviously fraught with privacy and accuracy[0] concerns. Nonetheless, it might help us move some things forward.
- pcdoodle 3y agoCall me a Luddite but I don't want these videos hitting my retinas. There should be an opt out from being subjected to AI content.
- landingunless 3y agoWonder how the folks at Runway and Pika are thinking about this. To me, it's becoming increasingly obvious that startups whose defensibility hinges on "hoping OpenAI doesn't do this" are probably not very enduring ones.
- anirudhv27 3y agoWhat makes OpenAI so far ahead of all of these other research firms (or even startups like Pika, Runway, etc.)? I feel like I see so many examples of fields where progress is being made all across and OpenAI suddenly swoops in with an insane breakthrough lightyears ahead of everyone else.
- asciii 3y agoBeautifully terrifying
- eutropia 3y agoI hope this doesn't get buried... As several others have pointed out, realism of these models will continue to improve, and will soon be economically useful for producing beautiful or functional artifacts - however prompt adherence (getting what you want or intend) of the models is growing much more slowly. However I think we have a long ways to go before we'll see a decent "AI Film" that tells a compelling story - and this has nothing to do with some sort of naturalistic fallacy that appeals to some innate nature of humans! It comes down to the dataset and the limits of human creators in their ability to communicate their process. Image-Text and Video-Text pairs are mostly labeled by semi-skilled humans who describe what they see in detail. They are, for the most part, very good at capturing the obvious salient features of an image or a video. "reflections of the neon lights glisten in the sidewalk". However, what you see in a movie scene is the sum total of dozens if not hundreds of influences, large and subtle. Choices made by the actors, camera operators, lighting designers, sound designers, costuming, makeup, editors, etc... Most people are not trained to recognize these choices at all, or might not even be aware that there are choices to make. We (simply) see "Joaqin Phoenix is making awkward small-talk in the elevator with other office workers". So much of what we experience processes on subconscious and emotional and purely sensory levels, we don't elevate those lower-level qualia to our higher-brain's awareness and label them with vocabulary without intentional training (such as tasting wine, coffee, beer, etc - developing a palate is an act of sensory-vocabulary alignment). However, despite not raising these things to our intentional awareness, it has an influence on us -- often the desired impact of the person who made that choice in the first place. The overall effect of all of these intentional choices makes things 'feel right'. There's no fundamental reason AI can't produce an output that has the same effect as those choices, however finding each little choice is like a needle in a haystack. Accurate labeling of the training data tells the AI where to look -- but the people labeling the data are probably not well-versed in all of the little intentional choices that can be made when creating a piece of video-media. Beyond the issue of the labeling folks being trained in the art itself, there's the problem too of the artists themselves not being able to fully articulate their (numerous, little, snowflake-into-avalanche) choices - or simply not articulating it even if they could. Ask Jackson Pollock about paint viscosity and you'll learn a great deal, but ask about abstract painting composition and there's this ineffable gap that language seems ill-suited to cross. The painter paints what they feel, and they hope that feeling is conveyed to the viewer - but you'd be hard pressed to recreate "Autumn Rhythm (Number 30)" if you had to transmit the information via language and hope they interpreted it correctly. Art is simultaneously vague and specific! So, to sum up the problem of conveying your intent to the model: - The training data labels capture obvious or salient features, but not choices only visible to the trained eye - The material itself is created by human artists who might not even be able to explain all of their choices in words - You the prompter might not have the vocabulary that captures succinctly and specifically the intended effect - The end result will necessarily be not quite what you imagined in your mind's eye as a result of all of this missing information You can still get good results if you tell it to copy something, because the label "Tarantino" captures a lot of detail, even all the little things you and the training data would never have labeled in words. But it won't be yours and - until we have an army of trained artists providing precise descriptions for training data in their area of expertise, and you know how to speak those artists' language - it can't be yours.
- robblbobbl 3y agoHoly Moly
- yandrypozo 3y agodid anyone saw the two-leg horses in the video?
- hpeter 3y agoOne one side, we have people who are upset because the creators of the videos in the dataset used for teaching this language model were not compensated. On the other hand, people find the tech very impressive and there are a lot of mind blowing use-cases. Personally, this opens up the world for me to create video ads for software projects I create, since I have no financial resources or time to actually make videos, I only know how to code. So I find it pretty exciting. It's great for solo entrepreneurs.
- cchance 3y agoThe scene of the train, could easily be used in a transition scene in a movie, like theres so much here like stock videos are gonna be f*cked in short order, and if they add composition and planning tools, and loras, so will the movie industry.
- lencastre 3y agoOne day OpenAI itself will replace Altman and take charge.
- TriangleEdge 3y agoI predict the word "disrupt" will see an exponential curve [1]. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=disrupt&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=disrupt&...
- hcarvalhoalves 3y agoOh nice, we’ll get a new shitty Marvel movie every week now.
- dudeinhawaii 3y agoI say this with all sincerity, if you're not overwhelmingly impressed with Sora then you haven't been involved in the field of AI generated video recently. While we understand that we're on the exponential curve of AI progress, it's always hard to intuit just what that means. Sora represents a monumental leap forward, it's comically a 3000% improvement in 'coherent' video generation seconds. Coupled with a significantly enhanced understanding of contextual prompts and overall quality, it's has achieved what many (most?) thought would take another year or two. I think we will see studios like ILM pivoting to AI in the near future. There's no need for 200 VFX artists when you can have 15 artists working with AI tooling to generate all the frame-by-frame effects, backgrounds, and compositing for movies. It'll open the door for indie projects that can take place in settings that were previously the domain of big Hollywood. A sci-fi opera could be put together with a few talented actors, AI effects and a small team to handle post-production. This could conceivably include AI scoring. Sure, Hollywood and various guilds will strongly resist but it'll require just a handful of streaming companies to pivot. Suddenly content creation costs for Netflix drops an order of magnitude. The economics of content creation will fundamentally change. At the risk of being proven very wrong, I think replacing actors is still fairly distant in the future but again... humans are bad at conceptualizing exponential progress.
- xmprt 3y agoI strongly believe that AI will have massive impact on the film industry however it won't be because of a blackbox, text to video tool like Sora. VFX artists and studios still want a high level of control over the end product and unless it's very simple to tweak small details like the blur of an object in the background, or the particle physics of an explosion, then they wouldn't use it. What Hollywood needs are AI tools that can integrate with their existing workflows. I think Adobe is doing a pretty good job at this.
- random_cynic 3y agoYou're completely missing the point. Who cares what VFX artists and studios want if anyone with a small team can create high quality entertaining videos that millions of people would pay to watch? And if you think that's a bar too high for AI, then you haven't actually seen the quality of average videos and films generated these days.
- nbzso 3y agoThe idea that prompting is a creative tool is utterly illogical. This will result in a ton of mediocre synthetic crap for corporate presentations and porn generating. Contrary to the trends in SV, dehumanization of creative professions will result not in productivity boost but in utter chaos and as a result will add more time loss in production process. I never liked Sam Altman in his Y years, now I know why. Even with the "blessings" from the "masters" in Davos/Bilderberg, a bad idea is a bad idea. Maybe this will push World ID as a result, but is it necessary? The current trends in tech are not producing solutions for a professional problem. With rare exceptions, this looks more and more as removing of human input and normalization of a society ruled by AI at any cost. So sad.
- uconnectlol 3y agoright, we all new AI would be closer to realization in 2020. of course the first one to do it is some complete sellout asshole, affirming hateful rhetoric like "we have to make thing safe", which is just thinly veiled pro police state sentiment. every single thing you can come up with why this is "unsafe" is just police state mentality. "porn without consent" - thought crime "too much porn of whatever you dream of" - yes, conservatives (50% of USA) actually think this is a problem "spam" - advancing the closed garden model email is heading towards. soon you will simply need government id to make email even though there are plenty of alternative ways to do communication aside from email which was already considered insecure and a bad protocol in 2000. this has nothing to do with AI but they are still acknowledging this absurdity by framing AI as the enabler of that. "automated social engineering" - just weaponizing the ignorance the bad thought leaders of the industry left us. instead of giving us proper authentication methods, we still have "just send my photo id to these 33 companies, which will ask for it in random ways we dont expect and just have to trust them" "copyright" - literally not a problem, almost nothing "protected" by copyright matters and the law is just used by aggressive capitalists to shove their products down everyone's throat "ICBMs being automatically hacked and launched at people" - just stop being bad government and hiring completely uncredible people to implement every mission critical control system while hooking it up to the internet "racist bias" (or whatever) - this is the dumbest fucking thing i've ever heard of this website is a perfect snapshot of why tech sucks so hard. its dressed up like cinematic film using a ton of js libs and css hacks or god knows so it can only be viewed smoothly on the latest computer hardware. only on one of the big 3 browsers that each had a trillion man hours of pointless iterations driven by digital graphics marketing companies. and on top of that they have a nice professional tone made by $300K/year PR people. please, sincerely, fuck off.
- kaonashi 3y agoquite the technical feat I suppose, but the actual result is nightmare fuel -- legs swapping places, people walking into simulacrum of spaces -- just deeply unsettling uncanny valley stuff
- garfieldnate 3y agoThe gold rush scene is the most captivating to me. The film style looks like it's from the 70's/80's (reminds me of Little House on the Prairie), but the footage is from a drone standpoint. I find it magically immersive in a time when none of the technology to make the shot would have existed.
- throw310822 3y agoVery late so probably invisible to all, but is this just a byproduct of OpenAI's work on understanding of video input? The Google Gemini presentation video suggested that this is the next step-level of AIs. Already with GPT-4V, being able to converse with an AI about the contents of an image feels surreal. The applications that become possible with an AI that can just look at video streams are incredible.
- lofaszvanitt 3y agoWhen will this bubble going to burst? :D
- mywacaday 3y agoThis is amazing and was to be expected. Are there any good solutions that can be used to prove a video is not generated? I guess in some ways we have come full circle and are back to trusting individual journalists and content creators I just did'nt think it would happen this fast.
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