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MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

• 8xeh 7mo ago
  Neat, now put the M5 Pro or Max in a 24-inch iMac, and sell it with a reasonable amount of RAM (more than 24GB).
  • wmf 7mo ago
    Get the Mac Studio and whatever monitor you want.
• miohtama 7mo ago
  But is it powerful enough to run Liquid glass?
  • MattDamonSpace 7mo ago
    /s I assume but it’s crazy to me that LG runs on the watch
    • Y-bar 7mo ago
      Apple TV 4K can’t run the Liquid Glass interface without stuttering, turning off transparency restores fluid (heh!) animations.
  • layer8 7mo ago
    Unlikely.
• boriskourt 7mo ago
  Nice starting storage bump MacBook Pro with M5 Pro now comes standard with 1TB of storage, while MacBook Pro with M5 Max now comes standard with 2TB. And the 14-inch MacBook Pro with M5 now comes standard with 1TB of storage.
  • zarzavat 7mo ago
    It's not exactly a bump if they raise prices at the same time, though with the RAM situation I'm not mad.
    • SirMaster 7mo ago
      Well 1TB MacBook Pro used to cost $1799, now 1TB is the base model and costs $1699, so it's actually a $100 price drop for 1TB storage.
      • Tepix 7mo ago
        Not if you compare Macbook Pro with Pro CPUs.
• whizzter 7mo ago
  128gb of memory, it's a nice change for Apple not to lag in that department for once, wonder what such a machine will cost though.
  • Sharlin 7mo ago
    At today's prices, the memory will probably cost more than the rest of the hardware combined :P
  • Detrytus 7mo ago
    128gb was there for a while. I am kind of disappointed they do not have 256gb option.
    • varispeed 7mo ago
      Same here. If the had 256GB option I'd pull a trigger. Now I might be looking for alternatives.
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    • ajdude 7mo ago
      I was really hoping to see 512gb but I guess they don't want it to cut into the sales of the Studio.
    • vardump 7mo ago
      No 256 GB model, so no purchase. What a shame.
  • jeroenhd 7mo ago
    Checking Apple's store, I can't find a cheaper configuration than $5100 for the M5 + 128GiB version. Here in Europe, including 21% VAT, that's €6.124,00 ($7.094,35 equivalent). Because of pricing strategies and such, the 128GiB version comes with a 2TiB SSD at minimum, and also requires the M5 Max (not Pro) at its highest configuration. Not sure if this is new, but it should be noted that these laptops don't come with a charger any more.
• aurareturn 7mo ago
  Whoah, both the Pro and Max CPUs feature 18 cores. This hasn't happened since M1 Pro/Max. This is a surprise. Also, the mix of cores have changed drastically. - 6 "Super cores" - 12 "Performance cores" I'm guessing these are just renamed performance and efficiency cores from previous generations. This is a massive change from the M4 Max: - 12 performance cores - 4 efficiency cores This seems like a downgrade (in core config but may not be in actual MT) assuming super = performance and performance = efficiency cores.
  • cced 7mo ago
    So they renamed performance to mean efficiency and are now using super in place of performance?
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    • petu 7mo ago
      Super is old "performance" core: > The industry-leading super core was first introduced as performance cores in M5, which also adopts the super core name for all M5-based products But new "performance" is claimed to be new design (= not just overclocked efficiency core from M5?): > M5 Pro and M5 Max also introduce an all-new performance core that is optimized to deliver greater power-efficient, multithreaded performance for pro workloads. quotes from https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-debuts-m5-pro-and-m5-max-to-supercharge-the-most-demanding-pro-workflows/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-debuts-m5-pro-a...
  • netruk44 7mo ago
    I think super cores are a new type/tier of core, not a rename of performance. The base M5 has super/efficiency cores. The Pro and Max have super/performance cores.
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• Tangokat 7mo ago
  "Scaling up performance from M5 and offering the same breakthrough GPU architecture with a Neural Accelerator in each core, M5 Pro and M5 Max deliver up to 4x faster LLM prompt processing than M4 Pro and M4 Max, and up to 8x AI image generation than M1 Pro and M1 Max." Are they doubling down on local LLMs then? I still think Apple has a huge opportunity in privacy first LLMs but so far I'm not seeing much execution. Wondering if that will change with the overhaul of Siri this spring.
  • jahller 7mo ago
    looks like this will be their angle for the whole agentic AI topic
  • Sharlin 7mo ago
    "Apple Intelligence is even more capable while protecting users’ privacy at every step." Remains to be seen how capable it actually is. But they're certainly trying to sell the privacy aspect.
    • re-thc 7mo ago
      > Remains to be seen how capable it actually is. It's the best. We all turned it off. 100% privacy.
  • whizzter 7mo ago
    We had a workshop 6 months ago and while I've always been sceptical of OpenAI,etc's silly AGI/ASI claims, the investments have shown the way to a lot of new technology and has opened up a genie that won't be put back into the bottle. Now extrapolating in line with how Sun servers around year 2000 cost a fortune and can be emulated by a 5$ VPS today, Apple is seeing that they can maybe grab the local LLM workloads if they act now with their integrated chip development. But to grab that, they need developers to rely less on CUDA via Python or have other proper hardware support for those environments, and that won't happen without the hardware being there first and the machines being able to be built with enough memory (refreshing to see Apple support 128gb even if it'll probably bleed you dry).
• nsbk 7mo ago
  The hardware looks amazing! Too bad they will ship with Tahoe installed. I’m not upgrading until I see in which direction the next Mac OS release goes
  • hu3 7mo ago
    Just yesterday, my colleague's mac Time Machine couldn't recover backup and they had to reinstall everything. But I think this predates Tahoe.
    • zarzavat 7mo ago
      Silent corruption has been a feature of Time Machine for the last 19 years. But haven't you seen the new glass effects, isn't it cool?
  • carlmr 7mo ago
    I've upgraded to Tahoe at 26.2, zero complaints from my side. Haven't had any runaway memory leaks or similar that were reported.
    • arianvanp 7mo ago
      Closing Tabs in Safari till takes more than a second though. And if you hold Cmd-W to close all of them it just completely locks up and crashes. Still not fixed since the release of Safari 26. Literally unusable
      • alwillis 7mo ago
        I’ve been running the macOS 26.4 beta and have none of these issues.
        • nhubbard 7mo ago
          I will say that 26.4 beta 2 was the first time I've regretting using betas since Sonoma beta 2. The Sonoma beta ruined the firmware on my machine and Apple had to replace the logic board; the latest Tahoe beta broke all networking on my machine and I had to erase the installation to fix everything. I've since dropped off the beta train for the time being. I already left the beta train on my iPhone because I had too many issues getting my grocery apps to allow me to place orders without going to my laptop and doing it in a web browser.
• egwor 7mo ago
  I thought that new models were typically released in October. Have I misremembered or is this an unusual timing vs previous years? If so, I wonder why the earlier release?
  • afavour 7mo ago
    Increasing component prices perhaps? Get some sales in before you have to jack up the sale price.
    • alwillis 7mo ago
      Prices aren’t likely to change. Even when the tariffs were on, Apple’s prices didn’t change; they gave up some margin. They also probably had RAM contracts in place far enough in advance to avoid the worst of the price spikes.
  • ErneX 7mo ago
    You remember well, they didn’t update these last fall. And another rumor said these are going to be updated again this fall but I’m not sure about that. With OLED screens and M6 (supposedly).
  • cheschire 7mo ago
    Maybe they want people to have more money available for the new phones later this year, since that market is in decline.
  • chippiewill 7mo ago
    They didn't update them last October is why. I think at this point Apple will just release new versions of laptops whenever new CPU revisions and yields allow. M5 Pro wasn't ready for October so delayed until now.
  • layer8 7mo ago
    M6 is rumored to be released in Q4.
• wincy 7mo ago
  I typed “RAM” to search for it and boy they hammer home how lucky I am to be getting 1TB SSD standard, but no mention of RAM anywhere on this page. Anyway, the MacBook Pro starts with 16GB of RAM. It’s $400 to go from 16GB to 32GB. Interestingly, 36-128GB models are showing as “currently unavailable” on the store page, and you can’t even place an order for them right now? But for anyone curious, it’s quoting $5099 for the 128GB RAM 14” MacBook Pro model.
  • edvinasbartkus 7mo ago
    on Silicon Mac's it's never called RAM, it "unified memory"
    • lxgr 7mo ago
      I'm honestly just glad they don't brand this as "1016 MB of unified memory". Swap and ramdisks are a thing, after all...
  • tonyedgecombe 7mo ago
    >Anyway, it starts with 16GB of RAM. $400 to go from 16GB to 32GB Interesting that this hasn't budged since the memory shortages appeared.
    • WarmWash 7mo ago
      Fair chance that Apple has price/purchase agreements already in place. Consumers are left to fight over the excess capacity after megabuyers get their orders filled.
    • mschuster91 7mo ago
      > Interesting that this hasn't budged since the memory shortages appeared. Apple has had enough war chests with the ability of buying the entirety of TSMC's new capacity years in advance in the past. If I were to guess, Apple locked in their entire BOM and production capacity two years ago. That's something even the large players cannot replicate because they run cash-lean and have too many different SKUs, and the small players (Framework, System76, even Steam) are entirely left to the forces of the markets.
• jansan 7mo ago
  The performance numbers are impressive, but I do not get the on-board AI spin. What is it used for?
  • boringg 7mo ago
    marketing.
  • layer8 7mo ago
    Image Playground
  • satvikpendem 7mo ago
    Local LLMs. Lots of people buy Macs due to their unified memory which obviates the need to buy a much more expensive GPU to get the same amount of VRAM.
  • alwillis 7mo ago
    If you’re working on something sensitive, you may not want to share it with OpenAI or Anthropic. You can run open source models like Kimi K or Qwen locally. Apple recently updated Xcode 26.3 to support local models.
  • Tepix 7mo ago
    Private AI assistants will be a big thing. You don't want to send all your private data they have access to to a cloud AI API provider. You shouldn't, anyway.
• testfrequency 7mo ago
  I have a fairly maxed out M2 Ultra (24 cores, 192GB RAM), and still cannot get this machine to choke on anything. I have not once felt the need to upgrade in years, and that’s with doing pretty demanding 3D and LLM work.
  • throwaway911282 7mo ago
    my m4max runs fan at high speed! just have few electron apps open..
  • mikert89 7mo ago
    Yeah I have an M1 Max, and I really want to upgrade, but there’s no reason to.
  • Sharlin 7mo ago
    AI video generation can fairly easily choke anything that's not NVIDIA's flagship model. Even the latest local image gen models are so large that they can be frustratingly slow with non-optimal hardware even if they fit in the VRAM. IIRC when I had an M2, it was about 4x slower at running the venerable Stable Diffusion (and SDXL) than my meager RTX 3060.
    • testfrequency 7mo ago
      I do not do anything with AI Video, but I imagine running this locally would be a hog on a Mac - especially if not optimised for Metal.
  • carlosjobim 7mo ago
    You might have confused Hacker News with your e-mail inbox again. This is an Apple press release, directed to everybody in the world who might be interested in a new computer or their first computer.
    • testfrequency 7mo ago
      What’s with the attitude? My machine is aging like a fine wine, I’m acknowledging how resilient their custom silicon is despite the world demanding more and more compute.
• pixelesque 7mo ago
  Interesting that they're showing VFX/CG software (Autodesk MAYA and Foundry Nuke) so prominently - obviously people using "Pro" machines are the target audience for this, but both of those apps (any many others in the industry) use Qt for the interface, rather than being totally platform-native.
  • klabb3 7mo ago
    Contrary to HN popular belief, there are neither incentives nor benefits to building native ui apps, for neither consumer nor professional apps. The exception is apps that only make sense on a single platform, such as window management and other deep integration. On iOS/macos you have a segment of indie/smaller apps that capture a niche market of powerusers for things like productivity apps. But the point is it makes no sense for anything from Slack, VSCode, Maya, DaVinci Resolve, and so on, to build native UIs. Even if they wanted to build and maintained 3 versions, advanced features aren’t always available in these frameworks. In the case of Windows, even MS has given up on their own tech, and have opted to launch webview based apps. Apple is slightly more principled.
    • trymas 7mo ago
      I am not an apple framework expert, but some things in apple ecosystem are nice. CoreImage - GPU accelerated image processing out of the box; ML/GPU frameworks - you can get built-in, on device's GPU running ML algorithms or do computations on GPU; Accelerate - CPU vector computations; Doing such things probably will force you to have platform specific implementations anyway. Though as you said - makes sense only in some niches.
    • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
      Strong disagree. I think Microsoft’s decision to wrap web apps for the desktop is one of the stupidest they have ever made. It provides poor user experience, uses more battery power and needs more memory and CPU to be performant and creates inconsistencies and wierd errors compared to native apps.
      • 7mo ago
• sarmike31 7mo ago
  An ”unrivaled experience” with MacOS Tahoe…
• dirk94018 7mo ago
  On M4 Max 128GB we're seeing ~100 tok/s generation on a 30B parameter model in our from scratch inference engine. Very curious what the "4x faster LLM prompt processing" translates to in practice. Smallish, local 30B-70B inference is genuinely usable territory for real dev workflows, not just demos. Will require staying plugged in though.
  • butILoveLife 7mo ago
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    • kamranjon 7mo ago
      I'm not sure if you're just unaware or purposefully dense. It's absolutely possible to get those numbers for certain models in a m4 max and it's averaged over many tokens, I was just getting 127tok/s for 700 token response on a 24b MoE model yesterday. I tend to use Qwen 3 Coder Next the most which is closer to 65 or 70 tok/s, but absolutely usable for dev work. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, many people don't realize just how performant (especially with MLX) some of these models have become on Mac hardware, and just how powerful the shared memory architecture they've built is, but also there is a lot of hype and misinformation on performance when compared to dedicated GPU's. It's a tradeoff between available memory and performance, but often it makes sense.
      • fooblaster 7mo ago
        what inference runtime are you using? You mentioned mlx but I didn't think anyone was using that for local llms
        • kamranjon 7mo ago
          LM Studio (which prioritizes MLX models if you're on Mac and they are available) - I have it setup with tailscale running as a server on my personal laptop. So when I'm working I can connect to it from my work laptop, from wherever I might be, and it's integrated through the Zed editor using its built in agent - it's pretty seamless. Then whenever I want to use my personal laptop I just unload the model and do other things. It's a really nice setup, definitely happy I got the 128gb mbp because I do a lot of video editing and 3d rendering work as a hobby/for fun and it's sorta dual purpose in that way, I can take advantage of the compute power when I'm not actually on the machine by setting it up as a LLM server.
• brtkwr 7mo ago
  Why doesn't this excite me anymore?
  • righthand 7mo ago
    Because it was always a vapid distraction from life.
  • neom 7mo ago
    For me going way back, it was exciting when I had to save a bit (but not too much!) for a new 512 DIMM, and when I opened the box and smelled the chip smell, put it in always worried I was going to fuck it up, and then computer literally felt faster that next boot...that was pretty fun!! Now it's like oh great $5k for a slab of stone that can do pretty much anything, neat. I still think computers are cool, just not particularly exciting.
  • replwoacause 7mo ago
    Me either. I guess it's just fatigue, at least for me. I also don't really get that excited by new LLM releases either. Not to say the tech isn't impressive, but I guess all the hype has me inured.
  • lm28469 7mo ago
    Because it's the same shit every year for the past 5 years with the M line. 2010 to 2015 was a major improvement, 2015 to 2020 was a major improvement, now they pretty much solved the computer/laptop problem for 99% of people. I'm on a 16gb m1 air, I see absolutely no reason to update.
    • trymas 7mo ago
      Watch this video if you have time: https://youtu.be/6AtTk3XoQVs https://youtu.be/6AtTk3XoQVs TL;DW: 2010s intel mac era laptops have seen at very best 35% single core CPU performance over in 5 years time! This happens almost every year now with M line macs. Rant: Retina macs were great and had great form factor over unibody macs. Touch-bar macs in the mid 2010s was IMHO a disaster. Terrible keyboard, poorer thermal capacity, missing essential ports, adapters galore. But when it comes to performance - early 2010s macbooks with dedicated gpus had serious overheating issues. Retina macbooks were decent, both form factor and performance. Touch-bar macs were totally abysmal, all performance gains over previous generations was all through pumping more heat. CPUs constantly pegged at 90C+, cannot have laptop on your lap, Apple planning and delaying release schedules around intel fumbling their tik/tok cycles (as far as i remember some macs did not get any improvements for 2 years+ if not way more). Upgrades sometimes were total jokes, because of thermal throttling there was no point to put more hardware than it could work with. From reviews buying higher level cpu sometimes didn’t give noticeable real life gains because, again, thermal throttling kicking in instantly. 2020 intel macbook pro has fans spinning almost all the time. Having a remote call - your battery is dead in 2h max (essentially 1% per 1min). M1 mac gave insane perceived performance boost - no noticeable throttling. Macbook airs are fully passively cooled, never heard M Macbook pro with fans screeching. Also real full work day battery doing real work without power adapter at full performance. Cool to touch most of the time. I made homework for a job in 2020 on a 2013 personal macbook. Apart from memory footprint - I could not feel noticeable difference on development experience. Editing images was frustrating on both. With M macs - its silent, smooth fast. Number of parallel cores matching best intel cpus on base models, GPU blowing any mobile gpu in price range out of the water with thermal capacity to peg it 100% no problem. Unified memory for those GPUs to do what you could only imagined doing on GPUs that cost 3 times more than the macbook. It’s a such excellent architecture that yeah - it’s “boring” you can nitpick about M69 Ultra Pro Max performance, but take a base MBP of any M line and it blows almost any laptop out of the water, even to this day.
• FBISurveillance 7mo ago
  Note: no power adapter included.
  • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    Not true everywhere. Only where required by law, so complain to your government.
    • cromka 7mo ago
      This was debunked so many times and people still repeat this crap. No government mandates lack of charger.
      • swiftcoder 7mo ago
        > No government mandates lack of charger. They mandate that the charger be optional. The charger is indeed optional, and you don't pay for the charger if you don't opt-in. What exactly else do you want?
        • cromka 7mo ago
          I want you to read this thread again and try see what was logically implied.
      • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
        Requiring the charger be optional is de facto requiring it not be included. Adding an extra SKU to include the charger costs more than selling it separately, so the law actually increases waste for those that need a charger.
• varispeed 7mo ago
  Only 128GB. I was hoping they'd do 256GB version. Disappointing.
• kwanbix 7mo ago
  I wonder if it is good to just get one and run Linux on a VM. Would that work better than an x64? Anybody knows?
  • pbmonster 7mo ago
    Why would you want to do that? Do you like the hardware that much, and also that much more than just an M2 (soon M3) running Asahi? Linux in a VM would work with the usual caveats. Periphery like the built-in webcam most likely won't work. Getting codecs and DRM to run will be pain and you'll be back to use macOS for that quickly (but that's just standard pain of ARM Linux).
    • kwanbix 7mo ago
      Because I don't like MacOS and my understanding is that Asahi has issues with: * USB-C Displays * Thunderbolt / USB4 * Touch ID Touch ID is the least of the problems, but the other two are more serious.
      • pbmonster 7mo ago
        > my understanding is that Asahi has issues with: * USB-C Displays * Thunderbolt / USB4 * Touch ID Valid. USB-C displays are on the horizon, the rest will take significant time (and might never materialize, it's difficult to reverse engineer). > Because I don't like MacOS Then spending thousands on modern MacBook will be a subpar experience, no matter how you do it. But yes, Linux will run OK inside a VM on a MacBook.
        • kwanbix 7mo ago
          I know. I wish Apple for once did the nice gesture and provide documentation. Whoever is happy with MacOS, uses MacOS, whoever is happy with Linux (or BSD) uses Linux. I guess a great deal of devs/techies would migrate to Macbooks. I don't know if it is corporate greediness or corporate stupidity.
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• pcurve 7mo ago
  $200 price bump across the board. The cheapest 16" is now $2699 and 14" Pro $2199. I think it's a fair price considering M2Pro 14" was $1999 (though it was discounted) only had 512GB and 16GB RAM.
  • SirMaster 7mo ago
    It's not $200 across the board. M4 MacBook Pro and M5 MacBook Pro started at $1599 with 512GB SSD. Now it starts at $1699, a $100 bump but comes with a 1TB SSD. Previously it would have cost $1799 for the 1T SSD, so it's a $100 bump on base price but you are also getting 1TB SDD for $100 less than before.
    • pcurve 7mo ago
      To clarify, I meant, model with Pro chip, not just Macbook Pro name. For example, up until MacBookPro M2, MacBookPro M2 came with M2 Pro chip. However, starting with M3, Apple lowered the MacBookPro MSRP to $1599, but its base configuration was downgraded to M3 chip from M3 Pro. To get the M3 Pro, you had to pay $1999. There's substantial performance between the two. Same with M4. To get the M4 Pro chip, you had to pay $1999. Now to get M5 Pro chip, it's $2199. Still a good value, but just saying it's a deviation from the trend.
      • aurareturn 7mo ago
        With how much more expensive SSDs and RAM are recently, I’d say this is a great deal.
• mathverse 7mo ago
  Nano-texture is worth the upgrade if you are on a macbookpro whatever M<cpu> and dont have it. For those of us with astigmatism it's really night and day experience.
  • napo 7mo ago
    I was considering it but got cold feet when I've been told that you could damage it when cleaning it. When I open/close my laptop I leave a ton of finger prints. I'm not too good with delicate hardware stuff.
    • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
      Why are you touching the screen when you open/close your laptop??? Do you close your car doors with the window?
      • petrbela 7mo ago
        My screen gets fingerprints from the keyboard, maybe that's what he meant.
      • stephenr 7mo ago
        Car door windows often have a significant frame of several cm and it's still quite easy to have your fingertips touch the glass while closing it. On a laptop I would imagine it's actually more likely that fingertips would touch the screen while opening it.
        • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
          My car has frameless windows and closing the door with them is not recommended.
    • y1n0 7mo ago
      I clean mine routinely and it's fine for me. I did recently start keeping a thin cleaning cloth on my keyboard for when I close it though. Oil from my fingers on the keyboard was getting on the screen.
• DGAP 7mo ago
  $5k machine for developers to just run claude code while they browse Reddit.
  • hrmtst93837 7mo ago
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    • oulu2006 7mo ago
      It's Qwen3.5 now, you're a bit behind the times.
• mpalmer 7mo ago
  I'm done buying Macs until they prove they can ship an OS
• manofmanysmiles 7mo ago
  I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years out my mine. Apple: If you document the hardware enough for the Asahi team to deliver a polished Linux experiene, I'll buy one this year!
  • seanalltogether 7mo ago
    Same, in fact the only reason right now that I would upgrade my m1 pro is if they threaten to change the design by getting rid of the hdmi or sd card slot, or doing something stupid like when they added the touch bar. I was locked into my old intel pro for so long because of all the bad hardware choices they were making.
    • virgildotcodes 7mo ago
      You may get your wish with all the rumors of a touch screen on the M6 MBPs.
      • throwforfeds 7mo ago
        Love that they didn't learn anything from the touchbar.
        • spiderice 7mo ago
          Comparing the touchbar to a touch screen is silly
          • kjkjadksj 7mo ago
            You are right the touch screen is even more stupid
• hrmtst93837 7mo ago
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  • lm28469 7mo ago
    > NVIDIA RTX 5090 already offers 1,792 GB/s You can buy two m5 pro base model for the same price as a single 5090...
    • dylan604 7mo ago
      That's a fun comparison, but can you run those 2 m5 pros in parallel to accomplish 2x the work? Otherwise, you just told me you can buy 2 toyota corollas for the price of 1 F-150 while trying to convince me you can haul your boat behind both corollas at the same time.
      • lm28469 7mo ago
        You can also buy a 64gb mini, save $1k and do more work than what you could do with a single 5090. In Europe I can get a 128gb mac studio m4 max for 300 euros more than a 5090 (for which you still need to buy a power supply, motherboard, cpu , &c.)
        • hrmtst93837 7mo ago
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          • lm28469 7mo ago
            All I'm saying is that the comparison doesn't make sense. The 5090 is faster on a small subset of tasks if attached to a computer which ends up being 3x the price of a m5 machine that fit the same model or the same price as a machine that fits models 5x bigger
            • dylan604 7mo ago
              So you're saying that buying 2 Corollas for the cost of 1 Ferrari engine would be better? Even though the Ferrari engine is much more powerful, it's useless without the rest of the car.
• pwython 7mo ago
  Well that's. Just. Great. I bought a 64GB M4 Max MBP last month. I'm past the 14-day return window. I figured the M5 was near, but assumed M5 Max would come a bit later. Not sure where I came up with that.
  • abiraja 7mo ago
    M5 has been out since last year, no?
  • rapfaria 7mo ago
    Not sure either since M5 base has been available for months now
    • pwython 7mo ago
      Ah yes, that's right. I was looking at the M5 model last month wondering why there was no 64GB option.
  • dylan604 7mo ago
    This is always the gamble with buying a Mac. Either purchase right when the new is released, or be on the fence of your new becoming old a couple of weeks after purchase.
  • gjm11 7mo ago
    You can console yourself with the fact that your laptop, unlike one of the new ones if you'd bought that instead, can run macOS Sequoia (without "Liquid Glass") rather than Tahoe.
  • aroman 7mo ago
    Apple released the M5 MBP more than half a year ago...
• owenpalmer 7mo ago
  The screenshot of running LM Studio alongside Maya is a massive hardware flex. Wish it was Blender though ;)
• MagicMoonlight 7mo ago
  They’re giving us extra storage… but they’ve put the price up by 200, which is as much as they charged for the storage anyway.
  • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    Why do you think the price went up by $200?
• heurs 7mo ago
  Honest question. Is it possible to install an earlier version of macOS on these machines? Liquid glass looks so.. unprofessional to my eyes. And I hear it's also unstable.
  • adamtaylor_13 7mo ago
    That's a big part of what's keeping me from upgrading. Every time I look at my wife's iPhone I'm dumbfounded by just how bad the liquid glass looks. It's the first time I've ever been so repulsed by a design that I actively avoid it just... out of sheer preference.
    • sysworld 7mo ago
      I wasn't a fan either. But you get used to it.
  • philistine 7mo ago
    I have a base M5 since last year. You cannot, no. It is literally impossible. Do with that what you will.
  • icambron 7mo ago
    It does look terrible, but I haven't found it to be unstable, personally
  • dmix 7mo ago
    You barely see any liquid glass on Tahoe. I keep my dock hidden and it's just the icons mostly which aren't that different than before.
    • myHNAccount123 7mo ago
      Same here. Not really understanding the complaints for macOS. I think the addition of icons in the context and menus is worse than glass.
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• user3939382 7mo ago
  And your native CLI tools will continue to be from 2011 with 0 attention paid to the dev experience until it’s Swift, and we’ll continue to lock you out of running programs from other human beings we didn’t approve without a 6 step ritual in the OS. Oh and all apps will continue to constantly phone home i.e. pay for the machine so Google Adobe and Microsoft can run updaters and telemetry on it all day.
  • cmdrmac 7mo ago
    Good point about the telemetry part. I've been using Little Snitch for the past few years and just block all the telemetry calls.
  • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    Or don’t use Google, Adobe or Microsoft software if that bothers you? And how is that Apple’s fault?
    • user3939382 7mo ago
      Right, actually instead of having first class tools and systems that respect us we should all go live in a hut in the forest “if it bothers us”. Apple is right there next to them abusing our machines and makes 0 effort to protect users from this.
  • astrange 7mo ago
    Many of the CLI tools have been updated to recent FreeBSD versions.
• justin66 7mo ago
  “An Unrivaled Experience with macOS Tahoe”
• tamimio 7mo ago
  I will wait for the new mac mini instead
• otterley 7mo ago
  I checked the fine print on the product website: by “up to 4x faster LLM prompt processing,” they’re specifically referring to time to first token. So it’s not about token generation rate (tokens per second).
  • jasonjmcghee 7mo ago
    It would probably be worth finding a more friendly way to market this, but it's a reasonable / accurate way to say it. The prompt processing sped up. Not the output generation. M4 was notoriously slow at this compared to DGX etc.
  • aurareturn 7mo ago
    Yes. This is known. They added neural accelerators, aka Tensor core equivalent, in the GPU. This will make prompt processing competitive vs similar class GPUs.
  • solarkraft 7mo ago
    It’s a big deal! Prompt processing was previously the Mac’s weak point. Sure, output generation matters for file recital in programming, but in general conversation I’d rather have it output a short answer anyway (after extensive processing by a smart model).
    • otterley 7mo ago
      General conversation is already free with all the major providers (Claude, ChatGPT, etc.). That's not where the major gains in productivity lie.
• MagicMoonlight 7mo ago
  You have to pay separately for the charger now. £99, what a bargain.
  • SirMaster 7mo ago
    Or just don't but an Apple charger? You can get a perfectly fine small 100W GAN USB-C charger for like $30 on Amazon.
  • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    Since that is required by law, I suggest moving.
    • gib444 7mo ago
      Which part of the law requires it to be £99 (or £1 even?). Can you cite it?
      • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
        The law requires a charger not be included. Apple doesn’t give away stuff for free, they aren’t a charity.
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  • Tepix 7mo ago
    I already have various chargers, don't you?
• jwr 7mo ago
  I would probably upgrade my MacBook Pro at once, if it wasn't for the Tahoe disaster. Now, not so much, I'm inclined to wait until next year.
• alexpham14 7mo ago
  Yeah, this feels like the annual “nice, but do I actually need it?” refresh if you’re already on an M4 Pro.
  • BugsJustFindMe 7mo ago
    I'm on an M1 Pro and it's still a "nice, but do I actually need it?". They've done too well on the hardware side.
    • asimovDev 7mo ago
      yeah, I am really interested in how they will justify retiring M1 chip when it's still so good. Some kind of security thing again like with T2 I presume
• roblh 7mo ago
  Kinda funny that the top image is capture one when Apple literally owns Photomator and gives you the option of bundling it when you buy.
• tristor 7mo ago
  I am very excited by this, but I am a bit dampened that the maximum memory available is 128GB. I was really hoping for 256GB, which would allow me to run frontier models locally. I think with 128GB it's still feasible to use this with something like Qwen3-Coder-Next and MiniMax-M2.5, but things like Kimi-K2.5 will require significant quantization to fit and model performance will really suffer. I'm really wanting to build proper local-first AI workflows at home, and I think Apple has an opportunity to make that possible in a way other companies aren't really focused on, but we need significantly larger memory capabilities to do it, which I know is tough in the current memory market but should be available for a cost.
  • vardump 7mo ago
    Tell me about it. I checked the page thinking whether I should go for 256 GB or 512 GB RAM model. 128 GB maximum. Sigh.
    • bombcar 7mo ago
      I suspect that they're going to go to a "Ultra every third gen" so we will see a M6 Ultra.
    • tristor 7mo ago
      I spent the last day deep diving on what I can do with MLX with local models. I still feel limited, because you have to use quantized models, but I think it's enough to do /something/, so I went ahead and bit the bullet and pre-ordered just now. I am driven a little bit by concern about ongoing memory market pressures over the next 1-3 years, and thinking it's a bit now or never.
      • vardump 7mo ago
        Sigh. Maybe you are right.
• whywhywhywhy 7mo ago
  $5000 laptop you have to pay to add a power adapter… gratuitous penny pinching from Tim Cook's Apple. It's one of those things, yes if I'm spending that much on a laptop I can afford to spend $80 on the adapter too, but does it feel good as a customer to do that or are you souring the experience of buying from you just to earn a few more dollars.
  • kylec 7mo ago
    I'm assuming you're in the EU or UK, Apple is required by law to not include a power adapter: https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/10/15/eu-gets-what-it-asked-for-there-is-no-charger-in-the-macbook-pro-box https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/10/15/eu-gets-what-it-a... In the US they provide one in the box free of charge.
    • whywhywhywhy 7mo ago
      Does the law say they have to charge for it.
      • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
        No, but the law doesn’t say they have to give it away for free.
    • pvtmert 7mo ago
      Nope, they are required to have an option to opt-out from adapter. They choose to charge for one! https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/16/no-the-eu-didnt-ban-apple-from-including-a-charger-with-the-m5-macbook-pro/ https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/16/no-the-eu-didnt-ban-apple-fro...
      • bombcar 7mo ago
        The option to opt out is effectively the same as charging to include one, unless you include the variation where you can opt out and pay the same price to not get one.
• jftuga 7mo ago
  I wonder how this compares to my M4 air with 10 GPU cores and 32 MB of RAM. My system can only run ~14B sized models at any reasonable speed. The accuracy of these sized models can be underwhelming. I am looking forward to a time when it would be nice to run models locally at a reasonable price, at a reasonable speed and with reasonable accuracy. I don't think we are there just yet.
• abiraja 7mo ago
  I just bought a M5 Macbook Pro 2 weeks ago. Thinking of returning it and getting a M5 Pro with the same configuration but only $200 more. How should I compare M5 vs M5 Pro?
  • mixtureoftakes 7mo ago
    You'll get slightly more performance and ever so slightly less battery life. I'd do it
    • abiraja 7mo ago
      Thanks for the advice! Gonna do it.
      • bombcar 7mo ago
        You might also get more monitor support: M5 Supports up to two external displays over any combination of Thunderbolt and HDMI ports: Two displays up to a native resolution of 6K at 60Hz or 4K at 144Hz or One display up to a native resolution of 8K at 60Hz or 5K at 120Hz or 4K at 240Hz M5 Pro Supports up to three external displays over any combination of Thunderbolt and HDMI ports: Three displays up to a native resolution of 6K at 60Hz or 4K at 144Hz or One display up to a native resolution of 8K at 60Hz or 5K at 120Hz or 4K at 240Hz plus a second display up to a native resolution of 5K at 120Hz or 4K at 200Hz
    • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
      I don’t see how 30% more CPU, 50% more GPU and 2x the memory bandwidth is slightly more performance.
• bob1029 7mo ago
  I feel like Apple pulled an Instant Pot with the M1 MacBook Pro. I still haven't had a single situation where I felt like spending more money would improve my experience. The battery is wearing out a bit, but it started out life with so much runtime that losing a few hours doesn't seem to matter.
  • darknavi 7mo ago
    I wish this sort of thing was encouraged in the modern capitalist technology space. Unfortunately, number always must go up (and the rate at which the number goes up, also must go up).
  • ireflect 7mo ago
    Same. It looks like battery replacement from ifixit is not too difficult, so I plan to do that when the time comes. Incidentally, I just switched to Asahi Linux, but that was for software quality and openness reasons, rather than anything to do with performance.
    • fridder 7mo ago
      How's Asahi treating you? If I upgrade from my m1max, I was going to try it out
  • willis936 7mo ago
    I just bought this model in the past year for $600 and it still feels like a great bargain.
  • swyx 7mo ago
    > The battery is wearing out a bit, but it started out life with so much runtime that losing a few hours doesn't seem to matter. this is my exact opposite experience. my M3 Max from 2 years ago now has <2hrs battery life at best. wondering if any experts here can help me figure out what is going on? what should i be expecting?
    • 1123581321 7mo ago
• post_break 7mo ago
  My M3 Pro with 18gb of ram still feels like a beast. The only thing I can make it suffer with so far is generating meshes from 3D scanning, and even then I'm just patient. Apple is suffering from success with these older laptops, it's a tough sell to upgrade, even from the M1 Max folks.
  • mixtureoftakes 7mo ago
    I mean, they had to make them good because of the new cpu architecture, but since the emulation worked so well and overall adoption was really fast it now is a problem for them as a company. A really good problem to have though
• MBCook 7mo ago
  Can someone comment on the new dual die thing they’re promoting for how they make the M5 Pro and M5 Max chips? How is that different from the silicon interposer they were using before? The big change is the two dies don’t have to fabbed next to each other in a single wafer, which is fantastic for costs and yields. But would this affect the interconnect speed somehow? How would the two be wired together? Could this mean the Ultra comes back in M6 since it would be easier to fab?
  • mixtureoftakes 7mo ago
    Curious about that as well. They seem to market it as a technological advancement, which it is, but rather than being excited im actually worried about hidden latencies that could come with that approach. Have you found any interesting info on that yet?
    • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
      Then wait for reviews.
  • wmf 7mo ago
    the new dual die thing they’re promoting for how they make the M5 Pro and M5 Max chips? It's chiplets just like GB10, Strix Halo, etc. One die has the CPU and the other die has the GPU. How is that different from the silicon [bridge] they were using before? It's probably similar. the two dies don’t have to fabbed next to each other They never were; this is a widespread misunderstanding. But would this affect the interconnect speed somehow? Apple never documented the internal interconnect for the M4 Pro/Max and now they don't document it for the M5 Pro/Max so we don't know. It's probably better to read reviews and avoid theorycrafting and backseat driving.
• __mharrison__ 7mo ago
  So below 128gb is the sweet spot for local LLMs...
  • aenis 7mo ago
    TBH, they are all rather useless at those sizes. I used to run a lot of local models on my mbp - mainly stt, tts, embeddings and diffusion models - and small LLMs used for utility purposes - but stopped. It saves time in the long run to run those models on target architecture from the get go - which in most cases is nvidia/cuda - rather than test and tweak on metal, and then switch to cuda for prod - and experience weird and subtle differences and regressions. I don't think it makes much sense to develop anything (other than hobby projects for home use) on mlx atm.
• dev0p 7mo ago
  I am only interested in one thing: what's the best local AI model it can run?
  • wmf 7mo ago
    Probably Qwen 3.5 122B.
• jbellis 7mo ago
  I chased down what the "4x faster at AI tasks" was measuring: > Testing conducted by Apple in January 2026 using preproduction 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M5, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 4TB SSD, and production 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M4, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 2TB SSD. Time to first token measured with an 8K-token prompt using a 14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization, and LM Studio 0.4.1 (Build 1). Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Air.
  • azinman2 7mo ago
    Seems very reasonable to me
    • tux3 7mo ago
      A bit strange to use time to first token instead of throughput. Latency to the first token is not like a web page where first paint already has useful things to show. The first token is "The ", and you'll be very happy it's there in 50ms instead of 200ms... but then what you really want to know is how quickly you'll get the rest of the sentence (throughput)
      • GeekyBear 7mo ago
        In previous generations, throughout was excellent for an integrated GPU, but the time to first token was lacking.
        • danudey 7mo ago
          So throughput was already good but TTFT was the metric that needed more improvement?
          • freehorse 7mo ago
            Let’s say TTFT needed the most improvement. At some point, loading the model with enough context size may take tens of seconds in some macs.
• addaon 7mo ago
  Is the M5 Max the first laptop with significantly more memory bandwidth than the M1 Max? Looks like about a 20% jump… might finally be time to re-benchmark CFD workloads.
• reenorap 7mo ago
  "The new MacBook Pro gets up to 24 hours of battery life, giving Intel-based upgraders up to 13 additional hours" I have a Intel-based 2019 Macbook Pro still and I have NEVER in its lifetime gotten even half of what they are claiming here. These days if I run it from battery I might get 90 mins. That said I had a maxed out Macbook Pro M4 Max on order but just cancelled it right now and will get this new M5 Max one for basically the same price. Once I saw that they didn't up the price of memory (I don't know how it doesn't affect them) I canceled my order.
  • cryptoegorophy 7mo ago
    I had intel MacBook Pro. It is a NIGHT and DAY difference. I wish I didn’t get the 16gb of memory though. It is ok, but running 5-10 cursor ai agents at the same time does start to choke the memory. Battery is absolutely amazing! And the best part - it stays cold!! No more irritated from heat fingers when using touchpad.
  • winstonp 7mo ago
    They are at least nice for comparing it with the max of the Intel. That should really say gives them up to 22 additional hours given the wear on their batteries lol
  • evanjrowley 7mo ago
    If only Moore's law had applied to MacBook battery life... https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/dyukq/macbook_air_2010_battery_life_better_than/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/dyukq/macbook_air_20...
  • cromka 7mo ago
    Doesn't affect then because of massive, bilion USD contracts they have in components.
  • EagnaIonat 7mo ago
    > That said I had a maxed out Macbook Pro M4 Max on order but just cancelled it right now and will get this new M5 Max one for basically the same price. You sadly just missed the window or cancelled too soon. Normally if your current order is in progress they swap it out for the best closest spec for the exact same price you ordered the M4.
• fl0ki 7mo ago
  For those who don't already know, you can get a lot of PC gaming performance out of these machines using Sikarugir. You can install all of Steam via winetricks and go from there, or launch DRM-free games directly. https://github.com/Sikarugir-App/Sikarugir https://github.com/Sikarugir-App/Sikarugir
  • whiterock 7mo ago
    oh, you mean there is a free alternative to crossover? :O
    • rifty 7mo ago
      There has been for a long time. It used to be called Wineskin — Sikarugir is the successor to that project. There's also Porting Kit which helps setting up and installing the wrappers. Underneath it all is Wine which is the open source compatibility layer project which Crossover contributes to.
• exabrial 7mo ago
  > MacBook Pro and the Environment LOL. is it repairable? probably not.
  • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    If it can’t be repaired Apple will recycle it for free. Who else will do that?
• taf2 7mo ago
  Considering these max out at 128GB of unified ram my guess is the hope of an M5 Ultra with 1TB of unified ram is unlikely to come true... Super disappointing.
• smallstepforman 7mo ago
  Can Apple marketing please reduce the insane quantity of adjectives in its releases, it has been nauseating to read for decades and sickens me when visiting their sites. Early exit from me and ex-OSX dev for over a decade, wont be back until their core culture changes.
• GeekyBear 7mo ago
  The most interesting change for the M5 Pro and Max is Apple moving to a bonded chiplet strategy from a single monolithic die. > The tech giant says the chips are engineered around its new Fusion Architecture, an advanced design that merges two dies into a single, high-performance system on a chip (SoC), which includes a powerful CPU, scalable GPU, Media Engine, unified memory controller, Neural Engine, and Thunderbolt 5 capabilities. https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/03/apple-unveils-m5-pro-and-m5-max-chips-with-new-fusion-architecture/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/03/apple-unveils-m5-pro-and-m... They also replaced the efficiency cores on the CPU chiplet with a new higher performance design. > The CPU now features six “super cores,” which is Apple’s term for its highest-performance cores, alongside 12 all-new performance cores. Collectively, the CPU boosts performance by up to 30% for pro workloads.
  • spartanatreyu 7mo ago
    > The CPU now features six “super cores,” which is Apple’s term for its highest-performance cores, alongside 12 all-new performance cores. Before: "We have 6 performance cores and 12 efficiency cores" After: "We have 6 super cores and 12 performance cores" "Wow, how did you achieve this?" "We changed the names."
    • GeekyBear 7mo ago
      The M5 generation uses three different CPU core designs instead of two.
      • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
        Though not on one SOC.
    • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
      No, they didn’t just change the names. The created a whole new core that scales between efficiency and performance, which can run in a lower power mode comparable to the efficiency cores and in a higher power mode partway to the super (was called performance) core’s performance and named it a performance core.
• upmind 7mo ago
  It doesn't feel like much has changed from the previous gen? Just a new chip + memory?
  • awestroke 7mo ago
    What did you expect?
• jtfrench 7mo ago
  Was hoping to see Apple break the 128GB barrier in a laptop that they previously set, though 128GB is still pretty sweet for local LLM inference on consumer hardware. My 128GB M3 Max is still shredding tokens pretty well (with that annoying slow initial prompt processing), so no major complaints there. I guess the question is, given access to the same amount of RAM, does the M5 really do an order-of-magnitude better than 128GB on a M3 or M4?
  • illusive4080 7mo ago
    The new tensor cores significantly speed up prompt processing. Up to 3x faster per the marketing information.
• lenerdenator 7mo ago
  I barely push my M2 Pro MBPs. Most of my wants aren't hardware-related, they're software-related. How it runs some games from 10-20 years ago very well, but only through hacky compatibility layers that shouldn't be necessary. How some parts of the OS have gotten "out of sync" with each other. Actually, I can think of one hardware want: have they gotten it to where you can do external GPUs and the like more easily? Would still buy one over any other laptop on the market today for what I use them for.
• przemelek 7mo ago
  Still why especially for Pro there is still version with 24 GB of RAM? It is scary....
• LetsGetTechnicl 7mo ago
  I have absolutely no need and yet I want ittttt
• KingOfCoders 7mo ago
  I thought a Studio would be my local LLM machine 2026, but this is $2000+ for the 126gb option - not for me. I assume $6000 for that Studio machine but it looks now more like $8000.
• Flux159 7mo ago
  So is this a minimal upgrade before the M6 Macbook Pros w/ OLED & a redesign later this year? It doesn't even look like they added cellular as an option with their own C1X chip (getting around the licensing / cost issues since it's their own chip now).
  • wmf 7mo ago
    I wouldn't assume those are coming this year.
    • winstonp 7mo ago
      Everybody says they are, with the main point being they can get the M6 Pros onto TSMC's 2nm node and save 3nm capacity for iPhones.
    • lupajz 7mo ago
      Maybe they just drop the M6 following with Pro & Max next year.
  • srid 7mo ago
    Yea, I think it is worth waiting for M6 just for OLED alone.
    • EduardoBautista 7mo ago
      OLED sounds great, but I am worried about burn in. MacBook screens are a bit more static and on longer than iPads and iPhones.
    • originalvichy 7mo ago
      I use a massive OLED monitor as my workhorse and I’d say money and expectations are better spent on established OLED manufacturers and a large screen vs. a laptop screen. Based on the common job roles HN users have, a large OLED main monitor will probably offer more value than the laptop screen that will probably spend most of its time as a side monitor or just turned off while connected to large monitors. The HDMI 2.1 and other display output gains bring more benefits with pixel output and framerate increases. Just my two cents.
• sakopov 7mo ago
  What's a good value for a used MacBook pro these days? Any of the older models worth buying today?
  • rgovostes 7mo ago
    It's hard to find any fault with the M1 models released 5 years ago. According to second-hand listings on Swappa, US$1200 would get you a capable M1 Max; the equivalent M5 Max is US$3600.
• fHr 7mo ago
  Only good apple product, most overvallued company ever.
• nottorp 7mo ago
  There only run that low contrast Mac OS version tho.
• butILoveLife 7mo ago
  >unified memory This is just marketing speak. Stop repeating marketing. It isnt a walled garden, its a walled prison. Unified memory is just regular memory. There is nothing special about integrated GPUs.
  • ErneX 7mo ago
    Isn’t that is how it’s called though? PS4/PS5, Xbox consoles all referred to it like that on the spec sheets.
  • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    Yes, there is when the unified memory is actually accessible to both CPU and GPU, meaning you only need one copy of resources that are computed and then passed to the GPU.
• twism 7mo ago
  Is the notch gone?
  • mostlysimilar 7mo ago
    Literally the only thing that will get me to upgrade. My M1 MacBook Pro is a beast and I've felt no need to replace it.
    • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
      Why does having some extra screen real estate bother you so much?
• mmaunder 7mo ago
  Still only 8TB max storage. Ugh!
  • brailsafe 7mo ago
    wth are you doing w/ wordpress that requires more than 8tb of storage!?
    • mmaunder 7mo ago
      For the memes, the slop and the lulz.
      • brailsafe 7mo ago
        Seems reasonable enough
• elnatro 7mo ago
  The question is when Apple Laptops are going to be able to run LLMs with a performance comparable to what the AI companies are offering?
  • holtkam2 7mo ago
    Never - data centers will always offer more power if you only care about raw inference speed. HOWEVER I think that we'll reach the 'good enough' bar super soon. In 2-3 years I expect apple macs to be able to run a model as 'good' as Claude 4.6 sonnet at 90% of the inference speed we're used to from a cloud API. Yes, I'm sure by then there will be better models on offer via cloud providers, but idk if I'll even care. I'm not doing science / research or complex mathematical proofs, I just want a model good enough to vibe code personal projects for fun. So I think at that point I'll stop being a OpenAI / Anthropic customer.
    • notenlish 7mo ago
      How much ram would a model as good as sonnet 4.6 90% of the time require?
  • bigyabai 7mo ago
    The answer is "whenever Apple decides to sign CUDA drivers" at this point.
• yieldcrv 7mo ago
  > M5 Max supports up to 128GB of unified memory with up to 614GB/s of memory bandwidth for reference, the M1 Max has 400GB/s of memory bandwidth, half a decade ago
• brailsafe 7mo ago
  I don't see it mentioned much, but the most exciting thing to me is that they're shipping their own WiFi chip in it, which leads me to be hopeful that they'll eventually get around to shipping a cell modem so I don't have to tether to my phone constantly. Still no new colours unfortunately. I think those are the two things that would/will be exciting in the future. Give me a green 5g+ capable MBP and I'll be happy. I'm so deeply bored of the drab grey and darker grey versions; we can have tattoos at work now, give me a different colour laptop for christ's sake
  • travisjungroth 7mo ago
    I don’t know if they’ll ever do that. Colors add another dimension, so you either need to have more stock on hand or do more custom models. Right now, the profit margins on all upgrades is huge. Phones have less configurability, they sell more, and colors seem more important.
    • brailsafe 7mo ago
      True, but c'mon, not even one single other colour!? It's weird to only have more options on the cheaper computers, and by spending more you get less visual personalization. So dull. I've never owned an iPhone, but if I did, it would be a sweet luxury to be able to colour match the phone to the mac. Orange on orange, orange on purple, purple on green. iPads can do it and they're practically useless e-waste
      • travisjungroth 7mo ago
        It’s funny they immediately launched a laptop with color options right after I left that comment, or at least I hadn’t seen it yet. But, I don’t feel totally corrected since that laptop only has one binary choice besides color. It’s 256GB w/o Touch ID or 512GB w/ Touch ID.
• idbejv 7mo ago
  Tell me a joke That's a hierarchical
• idbejv 7mo ago
  That's big hockey
• oybng 7mo ago
  Imagine these with a functioning keyboard, ports, replaceable battery and a good operating system.
  • stefanfisk 7mo ago
    In what way are the keyboards and ports non-functional?
  • matsemann 7mo ago
    Yeah, I'm always envy of the Mac's power together with long battery times. But so tired of their software and dongles. My current work laptop (Lenovo) is quite a beast as well when plugged in, but I can literally see the battery percentage tick down while unplugged, but colleagues with their Macs can go all day.
• julienb_sea 7mo ago
  I have an m4 pro MBP, 1tb storage and 24gb RAM. Not seeing any reason to consider an upgrade whatsoever.
  • DrProtic 7mo ago
    Is that supposed to be a surprise?
  • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    Did you expect to want to upgrade a slightly over one year old machine?
• hermitcrab 7mo ago
  Does it still come with a measly 1 year warranty?
  • bombcar 7mo ago
    It comes with as long a warranty as you want, first year free, save $150 for each year you skip afterwards ;)
• robbru 7mo ago
  Shout out to LM Studio being featured in one of the product shots!
• jasonjmcghee 7mo ago
  I bought an M4 and don't think I can justify upgrading so soon. Certainly has some great improvements.
  • emilbratt 7mo ago
    Still rocking M1 air, still a great machine and Im still happy. :-)
    • bombcar 7mo ago
      M1 Pro Max has held up surprisingly well, and I’m finding justifying the M5 Max over the M5 Pro quite hard to do.
    • jasonjmcghee 7mo ago
      This is what I upgraded from. Adored it - but wanted the 128gb.
    • vowelss 7mo ago
      Same! but looking around at when I should upgrade
  • carefree-bob 7mo ago
    I bought an M1 Max with 64G RAM a long time ago, and am perfectly happy with it. I thought about getting a refurbed M4 Max when the M5 Max comes out, and decided my next computer will be a Dell Rugged, just because I want a Rugged laptop for auto diag stuff, and I thought I could kill two birds with one stone and get something with an NVIDIA card for learning CUDA. I've been using the Rugged basically nonstop while the M1 Max gathers dust. I think I may be done with Apple laptops now, a rugged laptop running linux is so nice. I love the keyboard, I love the upgradability, the OS is snappy, and I can use so much nice software. I added a 4TB SSD and now have 7 auto diag virtual machines with volvo, VAG, BMW software, and keep the host linux to myself. I have not had so much fun with a computer in a very long time. Both battery bays are full and my mac mini takes care of blue bubbles and is a home server for inventory management and backups. If for some reason I miss the Apple Experience, I can always RDP into the mini. Keeping a mini under the desk at home and a rugged laptop outside the home is my new sweet spot.
• ra 7mo ago
  will it run GLM-4.7 locally at any speed?
• tgrowazay 7mo ago
  > M5 Pro supports up to 64GB of unified memory with up to 307GB/s of memory bandwidth, while M5 Max supports up to 128GB of unified memory with up to 614GB/s of memory bandwidth Which roughly translates to 30B Q8 size LLM at 10t/s for the M5 Pro and 60B Q8 size LLM at 10t/s for the M5 Max For reference, RTX 3090 24GB has a memory bandwidth of approx. 936.2 GB/s, DGX Spark 128GB features a unified memory bandwidth of up to 273 GB/s
• MoonWalk 7mo ago
  Ugh, more "AI" hype. How useful are the cited hardware features for NON-"AI" processing?
  • MoonWalk 7mo ago
    Yes, instead of answering... just downvote.
• sudoapps 7mo ago
  Hot take - Local LLM computing will move to stationary, always on devices (Mac mini & studio). Developers and users will move to lighter, portable devices to interface with their long running agent workers (MacBook Airs & iPads).
  • sgarman 7mo ago
    Bros trying to bring thin clients back again.
  • solarkraft 7mo ago
    I personally do this and I can imagine a world in which it is popular with privacy/sovereignty enthusiasts. I have doubts that this share of people will be significant enough for many companies to cater their products to this model - but if anyone will, it will be Apple - and it would yield them a few extra Mac Studio sales and likely make much more profit than selling the same service.
• jdprgm 7mo ago
  One thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is M5 Pro now supporting 64GB ram . I believe prior gens you had to go Max to get 64. m5 Pro 64GB is $3000 meanwhile to upgrade ram on the max you need the 40 gpu core variant with 64GB is $4300. $1300 dollar mark up for twice the gpu compute and 50% higher mem bandwidth isn't great value imo.
  • dangus 7mo ago
    Anyone who cares about value isn’t getting a non-base model Mac. They are buying the silver shiny thing or their company is paying. For example, grab yourself an Omen Transcend 14, spec it to 64GB RAM and the RTX 5070. You’re under $2000 and getting better graphics performance for anything that isn’t AI, and you’ve got an upgradable 1TB SSD and removable WiFi card. You’re also getting an OLED screen which most people would prefer. This model in particular I’ve chosen because it’s just as quiet as the M4 MacBook Pro models within 3dB during high intensity usage and gets very similar battery life, actually better battery life than the M4 Pro/Max models for light tasks.
    • stephenr 7mo ago
      > Anyone who cares about value isn’t getting a non-base model Mac. They are buying the silver shiny thing or their company is paying. Or they value things differently than you do. Like screen brightness. Or external IO. Or more than 64GB of memory. Or not being stuck with Windows. Or an SSD larger than 2TB. > removable WiFi card I could stick my hand into a wood chipper and still use the stump to count the number of people I've ever seen mention much less desire a removable wifi card in the decision making process about a laptop.
      • dangus 7mo ago
        It's hilarious to me that you are acting like these features you are bringing up are exclusive to Mac! SSD larger than 2GB? That's not a differentiating feature of a Mac. As a completely random example, an HP Omen Transcend 14 has DUAL M.2 SSD slots and that's not even a high end PC laptop. Macs are the only systems on the market where you can't upgrade the storage after purchase and you're doing so at insane markups. More than 64GB of memory, yeah, that's also available on other PCs. Numerous PCs. I found multiple models from multiple manufacturers that support the same 128GB maximum. My Framework 13 supports 96GB and it's socketed DDR5 so I can just buy it at a store after purchase, or you can look at the new Lenovo T series Gen 7 (10/10 iFixit Repair Score) which has LPCAMM2 memory, allowing for BOTH repairability/upgradability AND high memory speed. External IO, again, Apple isn't the gatekeeper of Thunderbolt 5. Where is the MacBook Pro with Oculink for the best external GPU performance? My Framework 13 has four fully customizable ports, I can literally put whatever ports I want on the machine and switch them out. Apple can't be bothered to put a USB-A port on a device despite the fact that it's still widely used and it would be convenient to just have one on there. Apple doesn't make their own display panels. You can get a PC laptop with a wide variety of panels including the same mini-LED technology. Where is the MacBook Pro with a tandem OLED panel? You don't really get a choice with a Mac, you are stuck with the two different panels that they sell. On Mac you're stuck with macOS. On a PC laptop you have more choices, Windows or a wide variety of Linux and BSD derivatives. Linux on Mac hardware is not fully functional and compatible with the hardware. Being stuck with Mac means you are unable to run a far wider array of software than being stuck with Windows or Linux. Imagine it this way: you just bought a top of the line MacBook Pro with the M5 Max chip, you've got a beast of a machine! You just spent your day crushing high intensity productivity tasks. Now you'd like to leverage the insane speed of your MacBook Pro playing some AAA video games. Oops! The macoS game library is miniscule, and CrossOver ($ annual license fee) is not ideal compared to Steam on Windows or Steam/Proton on Linux. I guess I can just play Cyberpunk 2077 or Rise of the Tomb Raider for the 10th time on my Mac! Nobody mentions a removable WiFi card until their WiFi/Bluetooth stops working and they're stuck with an astronomical repair bill and now because they're Apple customers they are buying an entirely new system and "recycling" their old laptop. On a system like a Framework or a Lenovo T series 7th gen, components like USB-C ports are removable in case they are physically damaged, and you can buy parts directly from the manufacturer. Apple's strategy is to upsell you on an extended warranty/insurance plan to try and avoid astronomical repair bills.
• aetherspawn 7mo ago
  1.35x speed up in single core versus M3 Max. Insane. Everyone else has failed to bump single core performance in years. Where are these single core gains coming from?
  • wmf 7mo ago
    AMD, Apple, Arm, and Qualcomm have increased single-core performance every generation. I guess Intel has been stalled due to their fab problems.
• rvz 7mo ago
  If you are thinking about running the next Deepseek model, then you are going to be a bit disappointed with the M5 Might need to wait for the M5 Ultra or M6 Max with 128GB of RAM until the memory bandwidth is greater than a GTX 5090.
• AbstractH24 7mo ago
  TL;DR Is this major change, or just incrimental? Just about to be time for me to get a new laptop. Typically I buy a generation behind, but want to make sure I won't miss anything huge.
  • scrlk 7mo ago
    Incremental. If you want a major change, the M6 MBP is rumoured to launch towards the end of the year. It's expected to bring a new design and an OLED touchscreen. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-24/apple-s-touch-screen-macbook-pro-to-have-dynamic-island-new-interface https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-24/apple-s-t... (https://archive.ph/qT3QV https://archive.ph/qT3QV)
• talkingtab 7mo ago
  The definitive reasons why you should NOT buy these products. 1. While the hardware and performance are amazing, the user interface is the opposite. Imagine buying a luxury car with amazing performance only to find that simply opening the door is a royal pain, each and every time. 2. Apple will downgrade the usability over time. A year from now, or two, Apple will downgrade your user experience. Imagine that in your luxury car you can see out the windshield, but the dealer insists that you install a new upgrade with a heads-up-display that cannot be turned off. 3. Apple will degrade the performance of your system over time by constantly introducing more features which require better hardware. Your sleek and fast computer will eventually become unusably slow. 4. Apple profits from preventing you from using the computer you own with other software, for example Linux. When your computer cannot run Mac OS (see #3) above or you get sick of the "features" (see #1 and #2 above), you will not be able to do so. The reason for this is if you could try Linux, there is is a strong possibility you will see just how user unfriendly Mac OS is and never go back. 5. You care about the environmental impact of your purchasing decisions. You understand that because you are not able to upgrade the hardware and operating system, your purchase is very likely to end up in a landfill.
  • nullbyte808 7mo ago
    1. Makes no sense. 2. not true. 3. You can turn features you don't like off, like the AI 4. False. The bootloader is not locked. Linux does work, but it would be nice if they activly worked on kernel modules for their hardware. 5. Macbooks have the longest shelf life of any consumer PC. Period.
    • redundantly 7mo ago
      > Linux does work, but it would be nice if they activly worked on kernel modules for their hardware Asahi Linux works on M1 & M2 macs, M3 and later are still being worked on. It should eventually get there, but we'll have to wait and see.
• mareko 7mo ago
  Finally, wifi 7
• thefounder 7mo ago
  So it still can’t run the big AI models locally due RAM limitations. Maybe next time!
  • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    Do you imagine over 128GB of RAM laptops sell a lot?
• triwats 7mo ago
  If anyone is up for benchmarking with one of these - please let me know. Interested to see what FP32 values they have for a site I've been working on [0]. [0]: https://flopper.io https://flopper.io
  • redundantly 7mo ago
    I don't see any macs on your site (maybe I didn't look hard enough). Do you need benchmarking results from an MBP M4 Max 128GB?
    • triwats 7mo ago
      hey brotato, added this to the best of my ability weird values due to VRAM implementation (lower FP stinks) Hope this helps ya https://flopper.io/gpus?vendor=Apple&page=1 https://flopper.io/gpus?vendor=Apple&page=1
• brikym 7mo ago
  Tahoe search slow as fuck on an SOTA M1 MAX from a few years ago? Apple has the solution for you!
• brikym 7mo ago
  I don't care about all the use cases in the press release. 3D modelling? Whatever. I have one question: Will it run Tahoe?
  • saagarjha 7mo ago
    Yes.
• unethical_ban 7mo ago
  I wonder how many more years Apple is going to quote Macbook's improvements vs. Intel-based Macbooks. They must have some analytics that show a large number of people still on those devices for them to use that as a talking point, but it comes off as "coming up with something because the difference in one generation is low".
• XCSme 7mo ago
  Surprised they have a lot of text/numbers but no charts.
• gkanai 7mo ago
  Apple, if you are reading this, I'm not investing into new hardware until you fix the mess that is Tahoe. My M1 MAX is doing fine atm.
  • zer0zzz 7mo ago
    Don't forget, Asahi runs real nice on the M1 and M2 series! Can't run Sequoia or Asahi Linux on an M5.
    • wslh 7mo ago
      Full support now?
      • zer0zzz 7mo ago
        Depends on your definition. Most things apart from touchid and usb-display work really well on M1-M2.
    • semiinfinitely 7mo ago
      does it run on M3?
      • zer0zzz 7mo ago
        Not yet. They got Wayland to boot in software rendering mode.
  • eviks 7mo ago
    They are listening, MAXing out is a loud signal that they're doing great, how would you like your liquid glass served?
• blinded 7mo ago
  Will trade in my m2 for an m5 mini once they announce it!
• _nickwhite 7mo ago
  "128GB ought to be enough for anybody."
• leemelone 7mo ago
  Now if only Apple shipped an AI model that could be used on it......
• joeevans1000 7mo ago
  Please help this noob of sorts. My experience of local models has been abysmal for AI chat compared to hosted models. What is Apple offering, in plain terms, to me?
• woodpanel 7mo ago
  Just for fun I maxed out the specs in the configurator. I remember doing that 10 years ago and paying 4K just to be delivered an infamous embarrassment of a laptop (yes the one with the hilarious display issues), which got me this close (pinching my fingers) to leave apple entirely. Today, maxing out yields me 8K and I gotta say, I‘m done. I‘m not paying Apple‘s insane surcharge. The temporary delta is not worth it. Already I‘m seeing corporations buying the lower/lowest tier laptops possible for their devs. Most of their compute is happening outside of the machine anyways.
• computerex 7mo ago
  Here I am still on my twenty twenty eight gigabyte base model M one MacBook Air.
• Art9681 7mo ago
  128GB RAM maximum? What a shame. I was ready to spend 8k on a laptop. My M3 MAX 128GB will suffice for now.
• thatwasunusual 7mo ago
  Not related to this release, but their trade-in for old hardware is a joke to me. My 2019 MBP i9 2.4GHz w/64GB RAM and 2TB SSD is worth $200. It seems to me that they don't even want a trade-in; it makes much more sense to me to just keep the old MBP and use it as a dev server, home assistant, docker hub thing or something.
  • rick_dalton 7mo ago
    Sell it on eBay instead. I saw a post today where an M4 pro MacBook that cost 4k last year has a trade in value of 1.1k now.
• probe_tech 7mo ago
  [dead]
• anArbitraryOne 7mo ago
  Cool, make me one without MacOS
• Singletail 7mo ago
  Ship it with Sequoia and you have a deal.
• sam- 7mo ago
  I vibed out a comparison of MacBook Pros over the years. 2026 M5 Pro Geekbench scores are an estimate at this point because the data doesn't exist yet. https://sambehrens.github.io/macbook-pro-value/ https://sambehrens.github.io/macbook-pro-value/
  • shpx 7mo ago
    You need to account for inflation.
    • sam- 7mo ago
      Of course! Can’t believe I missed this. I added a toggle. We’ve really had it good with these Apple Silicon Mac’s
    • MobileVet 7mo ago
      Love that they added a switch after you comment... nice work!
• leo150 7mo ago
  Can't wait to see the real numbers on https://github.com/devMEremenko/XcodeBenchmark https://github.com/devMEremenko/XcodeBenchmark Especially comparing to M1 Max
  • puelocesar 7mo ago
    There's some numbers here: https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/macbooks/apple-macbook-pro-14-inch-m5-max-2026-review https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/macbooks/apple-macbook-... But I think they are comparing the wrong values, as Xcode 26 seems to run the benchmark slower than Xcode 16
• mberning 7mo ago
  Can you imagine if Apple’s software was on the same level as their hardware?
• shivekkhurana 7mo ago
  This blog post could have been a 4 hour in person event.
• pjmlp 7mo ago
  > An Unrivaled Experience with macOS Tahoe That much is true.
• squishy47 7mo ago
  A £3000 laptop doesn't come with a fucking charger. It's £99 extra for the one that came with the m4's. thanks a lot Apple, the enshitification is real!
  • hakube 7mo ago
    Only in the EU/UK
    • squishy47 7mo ago
      is there any particular reason why just here?
      • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
        Because EU regulations require a SKU with no charger and having two separate charger/no charger SKUs costs more and creates more waste. As does buying a separate charger but the EU decided that was preferable.
  • steinvakt2 7mo ago
    This isn't enshitification. Most people have plenty of chargers. Its a good thing you can opt in/out.
    • aenis 7mo ago
      This. I think I have upwards of 20 chargers I don't use that came with various laptops and other devices. And I don't use any of the OEM chargers, they are too bulky. Pure waste.
• kopollo 7mo ago
  For local llm bad
• ceritium 7mo ago
  Great, I have a MacBook Pro M5 for work which i know IS really fast because the whole suite of specs run in les than two minutes, but except for that my "old" air m1 with 16g of ram feels super snappy. I am just excited waiting future releases (in 5 or 10 years) able to run local llms for coding.
• secult 7mo ago
  So to not get confused, when you ask for a new laptop in your corporate and you say 14 inch Pro Max, don't get lured to get Pro Max Premium, or even Pro Max Plus, just say you want Pro M5 Max, because otherwise you are getting Dell. And make sure to not say "Just get me a Pro, bro", because you might be getting HP Pro desktop!
• kinnth 7mo ago
  Wow I just spotted that the new price does NOT include the 96w power adapter! That's a new cheeky cost at £79 over in the UK. I really hate how they price things and hide their profit in sneaky ways now.
  • NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    EU regulations require a SKU with no charger. Welcome to Europe!
• rmajster 7mo ago
  Hello are here any heavy users which have multiple VS Code windows with multiple claude code instances like 20 open and actively working at same time with docker containers and frontend development? How is M1 Max 64gb ram working for you?
• Traster 7mo ago
  Seems strange that they're releasing new Macbook pros now we now that they'll be legacy products with the Macbook neos.
  • NiteOwl066 7mo ago
    Macbook neo is most probably a cheap low end laptop, or a very small laptop. (with rumors that it uses A-series processors) It's not competing with Macbook pros which are the top line for laptop power users.
    • Traster 7mo ago
      No, if you name your product literally Neo, you're indicating it's the latest and greatest, it will clearly have better specs than the pro.
• john_alan 7mo ago
  sure the GPU isn't 4090 tier in compute, but the memory let's you run 120bn param models at usable speeds.
• wslh 7mo ago
  Apple recently released open models. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start shipping increasingly capable models as part of their platform offering. That would fit perfectly with their hardware trajectory.
• BirAdam 7mo ago
  I'm an enthusiast. I absolutely love hardware. From ESP32 and RPi to Threadripper, I love it all. I like the odd performance differences and the obvious ones. I like the chunk of a floppy disk, whir of a disk platter, the scklick and chick of an ODD... I even love the complete silence of my Mac Studio. Thing is, I am kind of sick of Apple releasing new machines with zero new features. I get it. Each M series entry is amazing. What Apple did with their SoMs is the most worthy of using the "magic" label than anything they've ever done, but for the love of all that is good in the world, focus on your darned OS. Make it decent again. I'm not even referring to Liquid Glass. I am more saying I want consistency, I want the UNIX layer to get some love, I want the read-only root to be completely transparent to me and not introduce bugs in random places, I want performance improvements, I want options to disable all of the security layers if I so choose, and I want the ability to drop to a TTY from the login screen back.
• andy_ppp 7mo ago
  I might get it or I might wait for m6 and redesigned body + oled
• h14h 7mo ago
  I am much more interested seeing the M5 Pro and M5 Max in the Mac Mini & Mac Studio. The temptation of running a local LLM on my gaming PC's GPU finally gave me the incentive I needed to set up Tailscale & Mosh, and there's no going back. My 15" M2 Macbook air is my ideal travel form-factor, and I'd much rather "upgrade" by adding a power-sipping homelab box I can remote into from anywhere.
  • GeorgeOldfield 7mo ago
    I'm interested in the Ultra with 256GB/512GB ram :)))
    • redundantly 7mo ago
      You might be waiting a while. https://www.macrumors.com/2026/03/05/mac-studio-no-512gb-ram-upgrade/ https://www.macrumors.com/2026/03/05/mac-studio-no-512gb-ram...
• Razengan 7mo ago
  I've been using the M2 Max with 32 GB and 38-core GPU almost since it came out, I think I can still get a couple more years pretty easily from it. It's still shrugging off everything I throw at it, including Windows-only games. I've yet to have a moment where I wished it was faster. I was hoping for a newer display or body before I upgraded. The only "essential" features seem to be WiFi 7 and Bluetooth 6 if they make much a difference in everyday life.
• Demcox 7mo ago
  Still rocking my M1 with no problems
• h4kunamata 7mo ago
  >delivering breakthrough pro performance I am having to use M4 at work and it is the worst piece of equipment I have used. Knowing how Apple releases more of the same, M5 won't be different. It has 24GB and it is slow asf, takes forever to open apps and macOS somehow managed to be worse than Windows. I am Linux user, and on macOS you CANNOT use: - Ctlr + ABCVYXZ - Shift/Ctrl + Insert: Copy/paste for terminal - F5 - Home/End - Backspace?? Fn + Del like WTF!! - Select with touchpad?? You must physically press its button like WTF - Mouse with backward/forward button?? Good luck!! macOS feels like it was built for people who depend heavily on mouses, if you are used to Linux able to get a lot done with keyboard shortcuts that work even on Windows mind you, you are gone. The amount of time wasted fighting macOS is insane.
  • einr 7mo ago
    - Ctlr + ABCVYXZ Yes, different computers have different keyboards. Macs have had Mac conventions since 1984, and if you're not used to it you're not used to it. Instead of sticking to "the thing I'm not used to is wrong", I would suggest trying to be objective about which is the better UX. I spent the first 25 years of my computer use being a Linux and Windows user and barely ever touching a Mac, so I've had to adjust, but to be honest, the truth is that Apple was always right and Microsoft made the wrong call. Ctrl is meant to send control characters. This has been well defined since the birth of ASCII. In macOS, cmd-C is always copy, cmd-V is always paste. It does not matter what mode or program you are in. Windows was designed for an IBM PC where the keyboard only had Ctrl and Alt, and when they copied Apple conventions (like cmd-X, C, V for cut, copy, paste) they made the wrong decision in using Ctrl for it. We've paid for this debt ever since. GNOME, KDE, XFCE, [...] devs continued this travesty by copying Windows, and so now on Linux Ctrl-C is copy in GUI apps, unless it's a terminal, in which case Ctrl-C will break out of your process, and copy is Ctrl-Shift-C. This is insane and bad UX. The correct choice for a Linux DE would have been to use the "super" key ("Windows logo") for copy/paste etc, but of course they couldn't do that because 1) not everyone had that key and 2) it would confuse Windows users. - Select with touchpad?? You must physically press its button like WTF System Settings -> Touchpad -> Tap to click - Mouse with backward/forward button?? Good luck!! This is stupid. I will agree that Apple's insistence to not really support anything other than their own severely limited input devices is boneheaded. I recommend installing SensibleSideButtons.
• zombot 7mo ago
  I wonder how Apple sells new Macs when their current OS is such a turn-off.