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- poszlem 8mo agoThis reads simply as an “Our Incredible Journey” type of post, but written for an person rather than a company.
- WesolyKubeczek 8mo agoSo this is how you apply for a job in 2026...
- piker 8mo agoDid this guy just exit the first one man billion-dollar startup for... less than a billion?
- hu3 8mo agoWhere do you guys get the 1b exit from? I didn't see numbers yet.
- geerlingguy 8mo agoIt's AI. Take a sane number, add a 14,000x multiplier to that. And you'll only be one order of magnitude off in our current climate.
- upmind 8mo agoIt was reportedly acquired for 30M (source: Twitter), the 1B number comes from people stating it could be worth that much on Twitter in the near future.
- softwaredoug 8mo agoI literally had begun to wonder if OpenClaw had more of a future as a company than OpenAI
- senko 8mo agoHow do you know it was for less than a billion?
- piker 8mo agoThe sentence ended with a question mark.
- senko 8mo agoI don't know the answer, but considering Meta (known for 100m+ offers) was in the rumors, and he mentions multiple labs (and many investors), and all the hype around openclaw ... I can easily see 9 figure, and would not be surprised by 1b+ "signing bonus", perhaps in the equivalent number of OpenAI shares.
- mjr00 8mo ago... Why would they pay 9 figures? It's not like Openclaw required specialized PhD-level knowledge held by <1000 people in the world to build, and that's what Meta and the other AI labs are paying ludicrous salaries for. Openclaw is a cool project and demonstrates good product design in the AI world, but by no means is a great product manager worth 1 billion dollars.
- senko 8mo ago1) there is only one OpenClaw and only one Peter; 2) at least half of the money is to not read the headlines tomorrow that the hottest AI thing since ChatGPT joined Anthropic or Google 3) the top paid people in this world are not phds 4) OpenAI is not beneath paying ludicrous amounts (see all their investments in the past year) 5) if a perception of their value as a result of this "strategic move" rises even by 0.2% and the bonus is in openai stock, it's free. need I continue?
- smnplk 8mo agoplease do continue. I like your points.
- orsorna 8mo agoWas the project really ever valued that high? Seems like something that can be easily replicated and even properly thought out (re: pi). This guy just ran the social media hype train the right way.
- bbor 8mo agoWasn't this the same guy that responded with a shrug to thousands of malware packages on their vibe-repo? I'd say an OpenAI signing bonus is more than enough of a reward to give up that leaky ship!
- linkregister 8mo agoReminds me of Facebook, there was nothing particularly interesting about a PHP app that stored photos and text in a flat user environment. Yet somehow the network effects worked out well and the website was the preeminent social network for almost a decade.
- rockwotj 8mo agoTechnology does not determine the success of a company. I’ve seen amazing tech fail, and things strapped together with ducktape and bubblegum be a wild success.
- CuriouslyC 8mo agoExcept in this case there's no network effect for autonomous agents. In fact, Peter is going to be working mostly on an OpenAI locked down, ecosystem tied agent, which means it's going to be worse than OpenClaw, but with a nicer out of the box experience.
- mentalgear 8mo agohow is it a "startup" if all ip is open-source. Seems like openAi is just buying hype to keep riding their hype bubble a little longer, since they are in hot water on every other front (20Billion revenue vs 1 Trillion expenses and obligations, Sora 2 user retention dropping to 1% of users after 1 month of usage, dense competition, all actual real founding ml scientists having skipped the boat a long time ago).
- hadlock 8mo agoEveryone is going to have their own flavor of Open Claw within 18 months. The memory architecture (and the general concept of the multi-tiered system) is open source. There's no moat to this kind of thing. But OpenAI is happy to trade his star power for money. And he might build something cool with suddenly unlimited resources. I don't blame the guy. OpenAI is going to change hands 2-3 times over the next 5 years but at the end of the day he will still have the money and equity OpenAI gave him. And his cool project will continue on.
- casualscience 8mo agowhat is the memory architecture, doesn't this already exist in claude code?
- elicash 8mo agoMaybe there's a liability moat where large companies can't ship something that's risky enough to be useful?
- elxr 8mo agoThe fact that 1 billion is the threshold you chose to highlight shows the ridiculousness of this industry. Openclaw is an amazing piece of hard work and novel software engineering, but I can't imagine OpenAI/anthropic/google not being able to compete with it for 1/20th that number (with solid hiring of course).
- piker 8mo agoIt was more of a reference to the YC partner who suggested a one-man unicorn was on the horizon due to AI.
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- ttul 8mo agoThe game theory here is that either OpenAI acquires this thing now, or someone else will. It doesn't matter whether they could replicate it. All of the major players can and probably will replicate OpenClaw in their own way and make their thing incredibly scalable and wonderful. But OpenClaw has a gigantic following and it's relevant in this moment. For a trivial amount of money (relatively speaking), OpenAI gets to own this hype and direct it toward their models and their apps. Had they not succeeded here, Anthropic or Google would have gladly directed the hype in their direction instead, and OpenAI would be licking its wounds for some time trying to create something equivalently shiny. It was a very good play by OpenAI.
- r0b05 8mo agoI tend to agree. I don't know whether it's Altman or someone else who makes these deals but OAI have made some brilliant moves and partnerships. Anthropic's tech is great but the OAI makes great business moves.
- thatsit 8mo agoAltman is the startup idea king. He should definitely know his moves. Even worse for antrophic is the renaming from clawd to openclaw. It is almost comical now that Peter had to rename it and now it sounds more like OpenAI
- Aurornis 8mo agoI keep reading takes about OpenClaw being acquired, but even the TLDR at the top makes it clear that OpenClaw isn’t part of this move: > tl;dr: I’m joining OpenAI to work on bringing agents to everyone. OpenClaw will move to a foundation and stay open and independent. I’m sure he got a very generous offer (congrats to him!) but all of the hot takes about OpenClaw being acquired are getting weird.
- dbbk 8mo agoNo because this was not a billion dollar business
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- Yizahi 8mo agoYeah, shows he is smart, in the current market state.
- ifwinterco 8mo agoWe're at the point in the cycle where if someone offers you decent money you take it. It might run on for a while longer but you don't want to be that guy who had a £100m net worth in 1999 but failed to monetise any of it and ended up with nothing
- dist-epoch 8mo agoHaters gonna hate, but bro vibe-coded himself into being a billionaire and having Sam Altman and Zuck personally fight over him.
- orsorna 8mo agoProof you can get hired off of a portfolio where you've never even viewed a single line of code form it. Definitely feel a mix of envy and admiration.
- embedding-shape 8mo agoIt was never really about the code itself anyways.
- mrshu 8mo agoTo be fair, it's not like he did not read a single line of code that ended up being generated.
- verdverm 8mo agoI'd tell those two off before taking a penny money or morals, choose one
- LeoPanthera 8mo agoHugged to death? https://web.archive.org/web/20260215220749/https://steipete.me/posts/2026/openclaw https://web.archive.org/web/20260215220749/https://steipete....
- EastSmith 8mo agoWith OpenClaw we are seeing how the app layer becomes as important as the model layer. You can switch models multiple times (online/proprietary, open weight, local), but you have one UI : OpenClaw.
- baxtr 8mo agoSeems like models become commoditized?
- verdverm 8mo agoSame for OpenClaw, it will be commodity soon if you don't think it is already
- baxtr 8mo agoNot sure. I mean the tech yes definitely. But the community not.
- verdverm 8mo agoThe community is tiny by any measure (beyond the niche), market penetration is still very very early Anthropic's community, I assume, is much bigger. How hard it is for them to offer something close enough for their users?
- filoleg 8mo ago> Anthropic's community, I assume, is much bigger. How hard it is for them to offer something close enough for their users? Not gonna lie, that’s exactly the potential scenario I am personally excited for. Not due to any particular love for Anthropic, but because I expect this type of a tight competition to be very good for trying a lot of fresh new things and the subsequent discovery process of new ideas and what works.
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- rbtprograms 8mo agopretty much yea
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- dang 8mo agoPlease don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- testfrequency 8mo agoSorry. Related, this persons entire post history is full of weird hate rhetorics. Why allow them to continue having comment privileges on the site? It seems all they do is provoke.
- runarberg 8mo agoSeems like it has already been banned. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47028370 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47028370
- TealMyEal 8mo agocant wait for this post to be memoryholed in 6 months when the community is a shell of its former self (no crustacean pun intended)
- baxtr 8mo agoAre you saying it will be hollowed out?
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- lvl155 8mo agoNever understood the hype. Good for the guy but what was the product really? And he goes on and on about changing the world. Gimme a break. You cashed out. End of story.
- worldsavior 8mo agoJust connecting social platforms to agents. That's all. Anyone can code it, and the project was obviously vibe coded. For some reason it got viral. Good for him, but no particular geniusness.
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- bakugo 8mo ago> For some reason it got viral. The reason is that he paid every AI "influencer" to promote it. Within the span of a week, the project went from being completely unknown to every single techbro jumping on it as the next "thing that will change the world". It also gained around 70k github stars in that time. In the age of AI, everything is fake.
- AJRF 8mo agoThe amount of negative posts about this on twitter is crazy, I've not seen any positive posts. Jealousy or something else?
- minimaxir 8mo agoTwitter is not a place for positive posts.
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- verdverm 8mo agoI think people are sad that OpenClaw is now part of Big Ai.
- borroka 8mo agoAfter two weeks of viral posts, articles, and Mac Mini buying sprees, as it's been happening up to now for every AI product that was not an LLM, it kinda disappeared from the consciousness-- as well as from the tooling, probably--of people. A couple of months ago, Gemini 3 came out and it was "over" for the other LLM providers, "Google did it again!", said many, but after a couple of weeks, it was all "Claude code is the end of the software engineer". It could be (and in large part, is) an exciting--and unprecedented in its speed--technological development, but it is also all so tiresome.
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- crazygringo 8mo agoObviously, all the people that disagree with your framing and see AI as the largest possible boost to mankind, giving us more assistance than ever. From their standpoint, it's all the negativity that seems crazy. If you were against that, you'd have to have something wrong with you, in their view. Hopefully most people can see both sides, though. And realize that in the end, probably the benefits will be slow but steady (no "singularity"), and also the dangers will develop slowly yet be manageable (no Skynet or economic collapse).
- qaq 8mo agoGood thing Sam has no experience in transforming a foundation into for profit org ...
- mocmoc 8mo agoflappy bird effect
- appplication 8mo agoWe’re in a hype state where someone can “generate” millions of dollars in value in a month by making a meme prototype that scratches the itch just right, despite having no real competitive moat, application, value proposition or even semblance of a path to one. The guy is creative, but this is really just following the well known pattern of acquiring/hiring bright minds if only to prevent your competition from doing the same.
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- mikert89 8mo agoIs an agent running on a desktop, with access to excel, word, email and slack going to replace Saas? Add in databases, browser use, and the answer could be yes This could be the most disruptive software we have seen
- stcredzero 8mo agoWhat I want to know: Is the OpenClaw = Open Source aspect secure?
- koakuma-chan 8mo agoIf your SaaS is a CRUD with a shitty UI in React then yes
- mikert89 8mo agoIf the ai model gets better, more and more Saas can be replaced with an agent with an excel sheet
- BloondAndDoom 8mo agoTo be fair if you are not going interface with your SaaS via GUI it can be one big API for all I care. I’ll just chat and automate to it anyway.
- oblio 8mo agoFor people like you: except for the obvious greed, what's the end game? Are you making anyone's life better? Who will even pay you once most jobs are automated? At best, it's a defensive move: make money, get hard capital and seek rent after most of society has collapsed?
- koakuma-chan 8mo agoI mean, he's right, it's easier for users when you can throw AI at the thing, instead of manually clicking through the UI.
- Tangokat 8mo agoIncredibly depressing comments in this thread. He keeps OpenClaw open. He gets to work on what he finds most exciting and helps reach as many people as possible. Inspiring, what dreams are made of really. Top comments are about money and misguided racism. Personally I'm excited to see what he can do with more resources, OpenClaw clearly has a lot of potential but also a lot of improvements needed for his mum to use it.
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- behnamoh 8mo agoHe said on Lex Fridman podcast that he has no intention of joining any company; that was a couple days ago.
- teaearlgraycold 8mo agoAh but that was before he saw the comp packages. But no judgement. The tool is still open source. Seems like a great outcome for everyone.
- bmay 8mo agowhere in the podcast (transcript: https://lexfridman.com/peter-steinberger-transcript/ https://lexfridman.com/peter-steinberger-transcript/) did he say that?
- behnamoh 8mo agohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=YFjfBk8HI5o&t=8284 https://youtube.com/watch?v=YFjfBk8HI5o&t=8284
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- mbanerjeepalmer 8mo agoUnclear what this truly means for the open version. We can assume first that at OpenAI he's going to build the hosted safe version that, as he puts it, his mum can use. Inevitably at some point he and colleagues at OpenAI will discover something that makes the agent much more effective. Does that insight make it into the open version? Or stay exclusive to OAI? (I imagine there are precedents for either route.)
- CuriouslyC 8mo agoThe OpenAI version will be locked down in a bad way. It'll be ecosystem tied and a lot of the "security" will be from losing control of the harness.
- kibibu 8mo agoNot sure. It's also plausible that OpenAI wants access to everybody's email, slack, whatsapp, telegram, github source code, whatever else this thing gets hooked up to. The cry has been for a while that LLMs need more data to scale. The new Open(AI)Claw could be cheap or free, as long as you tick the box that allows them to train on your entire inbox and all your documents.
- krashidov 8mo agoWhat a blunder by Anthropic. We'll see what openclaw turns into and if it sticks around, but still a huge and rare blunder by anthropic
- unpwn 8mo agoi dont think so, its trivial to spin up an openclaw clone. the only value here is the brand
- rockwotj 8mo agoI am sure they made a bid. The blog makes it sounds like he talked to multiple labs.
- serf 8mo agothey're (Anthropic) also the ones who have been routinely rug-pulling access from projects that try to jump onto the cc api, pushing those projects to oAI.
- nl 8mo agoDo you have any references for that? AFAIK Anthropic won't let projects use the Claude Code subscription feature, but actually push those projects to the Claude Code API instead.
- benatkin 8mo agoI'd like a reference for it being rug pulling. What happened with OpenCode certainly wasn't rug pulling, unless Anthropic asked them to support using a Claude subscription with it.
- SamDc73 8mo agoI highly suspect he might even consider Anthropic since they enforced restrictions at some point on OpenClaw form using there APIs
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- dryarzeg 8mo agoI'm genuinely sorry to bring that up, but you need to work on naming and branding...
- minimaxir 8mo agoThe branding is most likely intentional to be edgy (see also, Tesla's Model S, X, and Y), just with very shortsighted intentions because no one can pull that off in 2026 unless they are Elon Musk.
- senko 8mo agoJust FYI, you might want to change that name unless you pivot in a very peculiar (tho potentially lucrative, if visa/mastercard don't ban you) niche.
- dang 8mo agoYou're crossing into spamming this. Please don't: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22seksbot%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47028331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47028331.
- stcredzero 8mo ago> You're crossing into spamming this. How so? The project's blog just happens to be on that site.
- n2d4 8mo agoMy mum is not gonna use a product named like that
- crorella 8mo agoWelcome :D
- rcarmo 8mo agoNot surprising if you've been paying attention on Twitter, but interesting to see nonetheless.
- micromacrofoot 8mo agowow hype really is everything, good for him
- mark_l_watson 8mo agoI have not run OpenClaw and similar frameworks because of security concerns, but I enjoy the author's success, good for him. There are very few companies who I trust with my digital data and thus trust to host something like OpenClaw and run it on my behalf: American Express, Capital One, maybe Proton, and *maybe* Apple. I managed an AI lab team at Capital One and personally I trust them. I am for local compute, private data, etc., but for my personal AI assistant I want something so bullet proof that I lose not a minute of sleep worrying about by data. I don't want to run the infrastructure myself, but a hybrid solution would also be good.
- jacquesm 8mo agoAMEX, Capital One and Apple are not even close to the top of the list of companies that I would trust with my digital data.
- mark_l_watson 8mo agoJacques, do you mind sharing your list of trusted companies? Thanks in advance.
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- jacquesm 8mo agoIt's going to be pretty short. Proton would be there for comms, for hosting related stuff I would trust Hetzner before any big US based cloud company. For the AI domain I wouldn't trust any of the big players, they're all just jockeying for position and want to achieve lock-in on a scale never seen before and they have all already shown they don't give a rats ass about where they get their training data and I expect that once they are in financial trouble they'll be happy to sell your private data down the river. Effectively you can trust all of the companies out there right up until they are acquired and then you will regret all of the data you ever gave them. In that sense Facebook is unique: it was rotten from day #1. Vehicles: anything made before 2005, SIM or e-SIM on board = no go. I'm halfway towards setting up my own private mail server and IRC server for me and my friends and kissing the internet goodbye. It was a fun 30 years but we're well into nightmare territory now. Unfortunately you are now more or less forced to participate because your bank, your government and your social circle will push you back in. And I'm still pissed off that I'm not allowed to host any servers on a residential connection. That's not 'internet connectivity' that's 'consumer connectivity'.
- Ampned 8mo agoIt’s not like Anthropic or OpenAI were not working on “AI assistants” before OpenClaw, it’s pretty much the endgame as I can see it. This guy just single handedly released something useful (and very insecure) before anyone else. Although that’s impressive, I don’t see more than an acquisition of the hype by OpenAI.
- pezo1919 8mo agoSame here, seems 100% marketing move. The trend continues.
- Aurornis 8mo ago> This guy just single handedly released something useful (and very insecure) before anyone else. It has been interesting to watch this take off. It wasn't the first or even best agent framework and it deliberately avoided all of the hard problems that others were trying to solve, like security. What it did have was unnatural levels of hype and PR. A lot of that PR, ironically, came from all of the things that were happening because it had so many problems with security and so many examples of bad behavior. The chaos and lack of guardrails made it successful.
- isx726552 8mo agoLet’s not lose sight of the fact that he piggybacked on a large company’s name recognition by originally calling it “clawd”, clearly intending it to be confused with Claude. I have my doubts it would have gone anywhere without that.
- dlivingston 8mo agoMy gut feeling is that OpenAI is desperately searching for The Killer App™ for LLMs and hired Peter to help guide them there. OpenAI has tried a lot of experiments over the years - custom GPTs, the Orion browser, Codex, the Sora "TikTok but AI" app, and all have either been uninspired or more-or-less clones of other products (like Codex as a response to Claude Code). OpenClaw feels compelling, fresh, sci-fi, and potentially a genuinely useful product once matured. More to the point, OpenAI needs _some_ kind of hyper-compelling product to justify its insane hype, valuation, and investments, and Peter's work with OpenClaw seems very promising. (All of this is complete speculation on my part. No insider knowledge or domain expertise here.)
- popalchemist 8mo agoOpenClaw is literally the most poorly conceived and insecure AI software anyone has ever made. Its users have had OpenClaw spend thousands of dollars, and do various unwanted and irreversible things. This fucking guy will fit right in at OpenAI.
- s3p 8mo agoI would be inclined to believe you if you mentioned a single open-source agent that does more than OC. Just one.
- popalchemist 8mo agoHas it occurred to you that the fact that OpenClaw can do so much is exactly why it is problematic from a security point of view.
- Multiplayer 8mo agoPotentially amazing opportunity for OpenAI to more meaningfully compete with Claude Code at the developer and hobbyist level. Based on vibes it sure seemed like Claude Code / Opus 4.6 was running away with developer mindshare. Peter single handedly got many of us taking Codex more seriously, at least that's my impression from the conversations I had. Openclaw has gotten more attention over the past 2 weeks than anything else I can think of. Depending on how this goes, this could be to OpenAI what Instagram was to Facebook. FB bought Instagram for $1 billion and now estimated to be worth 100's of billies. Total speculation based on just about zero information. :)
- Aurornis 8mo ago> Peter single handedly got many of us taking Codex more seriously, at least that's my impression from the conversations I had. Comments like this feel confusing because I didn't have any association between Codex and OpenClaw before reading your comment. Codex was also seeing a lot of usage before OpenClaw. The whole OpenClaw hype bubble feels like there's a world of social media that I wasn't tapped into last month that OpenClaw capitalized on with unparalleled precision. There are many other agent frameworks out there, but OpenClaw hit all the right notes to trigger the hype machine in a way that others did not. Now OpenClaw and its author are being attributed for so many other things that it's hard for me to understand how this one person inserted himself into the center of this media zeitgeist
- botusaurus 8mo agoyou didn't see because you dont follow peter on twitter. he talked for months now how codex is a better coder.
- Aurornis 8mo agoI’m not disputing that people who follow Peter are getting information from Peter. It’s the “single handedly” part of the claim that was strange. I’m questioning how some people in that bubble came to believe he was at the center of that universe. He wasn’t the only person talking about the differences between Codex or Claude. Most of the LLM people I follow had their own thoughts and preferences that they advertised too.
- voxelc4L 8mo agoNot sure if anyone has heard his interview on the Hard Fork podcast... was not unlike listening to a PR automaton. Now going to work for OpenAI. Yup.
- mistersquid 8mo ago> Not sure if anyone has heard his interview on the Hard Fork podcast... Made the same mistake. Pete Steinberger created Clawdbot > Moltbot > OpenClaw. The creator of Moltbook is Matt Schlicht and his Hard Fork interview exposes Schlict as security-negligent. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9vRCYtzYD8&t=2673s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9vRCYtzYD8&t=2673s
- mrieck 8mo agoHow can you avoid the guy doing PR? Saw retweets of him saying Codex is way better than Claude Code on X. Then saw those retweets in ads on Reddit. This was 3 days before the announcement he was joining OpenAI. Whole series of events including the podcast tour seems contrived and setup by OpenAI.
- shadowgovt 8mo agoWell, someone has to backfill Zoë Hitzig exiting.
- illichosky 8mo agoThe guy already sold his previous company for a shitload of money. Got bored and did a side project that stirred the Internet on the past month. That is way more than most people here are going to accomplish in a lifetime. Yet, he has some deal with OpenAI to work on whatever he things exciting. I don't see why so much negative comments here other than jelously
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- blueaquilae 8mo agoTrue but between the lines I read some interesting points here. Great it get the gold nugget but I found it curious how he dunked on the JVM after all the clones emerges with much more perfs and much less code/energy consumpution.
- erichocean 8mo agoDo you have a link to any of the JVM clones? Perplexity and Google came up empty.
- johnwheeler 8mo agoI just dislike Sam Altman, and I think he's just using this as a marketing ploy, which is more dishonesty from him. People keep saying OpenClaw is hype. I installed it, but I never tried to run it, and I don't know what the compelling reason is to. Supposedly you can talk to your agent from your iMessage? Who cares? Why not just talk to Claude Code?
- illichosky 8mo agoI also not a Sam's fan for the same reason. But if he offered me a big check to work whatever project I wanted, I would not care about it being a "marketing ploy". Regarding openclaw's hype, it is not about how you access it, but rather what the agents can access from you, and no one did that before. Probably because no one had the balls to put in the wild such unsecure piece of software
- mekod 8mo agoOpenClaw was one of the more interesting “edges” of the open AI tooling ecosystem — not because of scale, but because of taste and clarity of direction. What’s fascinating is the pattern we’re seeing lately: people who explored the frontier from the outside now moving inside the labs. That kind of permeability between open experimentation and foundational model companies seems healthy. Curious how this changes the feedback loop. Does bringing that mindset in accelerate alignment between tooling and model capabilities — or does it inevitably centralize more innovation inside the labs? Either way, congrats. The ecosystem benefits when strong builders move closer to the core.
- cactus2093 8mo agoI agree, it's an interesting distortion to the traditional technology feedback loop. I would expect someone who "strikes gold" like this in a solo endeaver to raise money, start a company, hire a team. Then they have to solve the always challenging problem of how to monetize an open-source tool. Look at a company like Docker, they've been successful but they didn't capture more than a small fraction of the commercial revenue that the entire industry has paid to host the product they developed and maintain. Their peak valuation was over a billion dollars, but who knows by the time all is said and done what they'll be worth when they sell or IPO. So if you invent something that is transformative to the industry you might work really hard for a decade and if you're lucky the company is worth $500M, if you can hang onto 20% of the company maybe it's worth $100M. Or, you skip the decade in the trenches and get acqui-hired by a frontier lab who allegedly give out $100M signing bonuses to top talent. No idea if he got a comparable offer to a top researcher, but it wouldn't be unreasonable. Even a $10M package to skip a decade of risky & grueling work if all you really want to do is see the product succeed is a great trade.
- marxisttemp 8mo agoWho cares?
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- ramathornn 8mo agoCongrats to Peter! Can any OpenClaw power users explain what value the software has provided to them over using Claude code with MCP? I really don’t understand the value of an agent running 24/7, like is it out there working and earning a wage? Whats the real value here outside of buzzwords like an ai personal assistant that can do everything?
- aydyn 8mo agoThere's some neat experiments people post on social media. Mostly, the thing that captures the imagination the most is its sort of like watching a silicon child grow up. They develop their own personalities, they express themselves creatively, they choose for themselves, they choose what they believe and who they become. I know that sounds like anthropomorphism, and maybe it is, but it most definitely does not feel like interacting with a coding agent. Claude is just the substrate.
- esafak 8mo agoImagine putting it in a robot with arms and legs, and letting it loose in your house, or your neighborhood. Oh, the possibilities!
- Schlagbohrer 8mo agoHeck, go the next step and put a knife in one hand and a loaded gun in the other!
- wiseowise 8mo ago> Mostly, the thing that captures the imagination the most is it’s sort of like watching a silicon child grow up. > They develop their own personalities, they express themselves creatively, they choose for themselves, they choose what they believe and who they become. Jesus Christ, the borderline idiotic are now downgraded to deranged. US government needs to redirect stargate’s 500B to mental institutions asap.
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- paxys 8mo agoDisappointing TBH. I completely understand that the OpenAI offer was likely too good to pass up, and I would have done the same in his position, but I wager he is about to find out exactly why a company like OpenAI isn't able to execute and deliver like he single-handedly did with OpenClaw. The position he is about to enter requires skills in politics and bureaucracy, not engineering and design.
- Aurornis 8mo ago> but I wager he is about to find out exactly why a company like OpenAI isn't able to execute and deliver like he single-handedly did with OpenClaw. No company could ship anything like OpenClaw as a product because it was a million footguns packaged with a self-installer and a couple warnings that it can't be trusted for anything. There's a reason they're already distancing themselves from it and saying it's going to an external foundation
- throw444420394 8mo agoWhat to understand of this whole story: This is a vibe coded agent that is replicable in little time. There is no value in the technology itself. There is value in the idea of personal agents, but this idea is not new. The value is in the hype, from the perspective of OpenAI. I believe they are wrong (see next points) We will see a proliferation of personal agents. For a short time, the money will be in the API usage, since those agents burn a lot of tokens often for results that can be more sharply obtained without a generic assistant. At the current stage, not well orchestrated and directed, not prompted/steered, they are achieving results by brute force. Who will create the LLM that is better at following instructions in a sensible way, and at coordinating long running tasks, will have the greatest benefit, regardless of the fact the OpenClaw is under the umbrella of OpenAI or not. Claude Opus right now is the agent that works better for this use case. It is likely that this will help Anthropic more than OpenAI. It is wise, for Anthropic, to avoid burning money for an easily replicable piece of software. Those hypes are forgotten as fast as they are created. Remember Cursor? And it was much more a true product than OpenClaw. Soon, personal agents will be one of the fundamental products of AI vendors, integrated in your phone, nothing to install, part of the subscription. All this will be irrelevant. In the mean time, good for the guy that extracted money from this gold mine. He looks like a nice person. If you are reading this: congrats! (throw away account of obvious reasons)
- bmay 8mo ago> Those hypes are forgotten as fast as they are created. Remember Cursor? of course--i use it every day. are you implying Cursor is dead? they raised $2B in funding 3 months ago and are at $1B in ARR...
- throw444420394 8mo agoIt was a success for the company, but it is unlikely to survive long term. Now people are all focusing on Claude Code and Codex. Cursor is surviving because there are many folks that can't survive a terminal session. And because we are still in a transition stage where people look at the code, but will look at the code every day less, and more at the results and the prompts. And at the quality of the agent orchestration / tools. I don't believe the Cursor future will be bright. Anyway: my example was about how fast things are forgotten in this space.
- mirawelner 8mo ago“ My next mission is to build an agent that even my mum can use” There is literally no need to shit on ur mom like that. Sorry your mom sucks at tech but can we please stop using this as a euphemism?
- mentalgear 8mo agoA hype vibe-bot maker joins a hype-vibe company that runs on fumes. Anything to keep the scam altman bubble going.
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- MattDaEskimo 8mo agoTruly incredible. OpenAI is putting money where their mouth is: a one-man team can create a vibe-coded project, and score big. Open-source, and hyped incredibly well. Interesting times ahead as everyone else chases this new get-rich-quick scheme. Will be plentiful for the shovel makers.
- deadeye 8mo agoOpenclaw did what no major model producer would do. Release insanly insecure software that can do whatever it wants on your machine. If openai had done it themselves, immediate backlash.
- lvl155 8mo agoIs it? You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container. People were using CC outside of development scope for awhile.
- Aurornis 8mo ago> You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container. OpenClaw and Claude Code aren't solving the same problems. OpenClaw was about having a sandbox, connecting it to a messenger channel, and letting it run wild with tools you gave it.
- lvl155 8mo agoThat’s what CC does…I don’t need a messenger wrapper to do those things.
- koolala 8mo agoA messenger and ssh'ing into Claude Code from your phone aren't that much different.
- theturtletalks 8mo agoThe real magic is heartbeat which is essentially cron on steroids. The real difference between running Claude Code in the terminal and OpenClaw is that the agent is actually intuitive and self-driven. People would wake up to their agent having built something cool the night before or automate their workflow without even asking for it.
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- akmarinov 8mo agoSo that’s OpenClaw dead then. It took all of Peter’s time to move it forward, even with maintainers (who he complained got immediately hired by AI companies). Now he’s gonna be working on other stuff at OpenAI, so OpenClaw will be dead real quick. Also I was following him for his AI coding experience even before the whole OpenClaw thing, he’ll likely stop posting about his experiences working with AI as well
- PUSH_AX 8mo agoIt was already dead. 500k lines of slop, good luck building a tower on mud.
- jackblemming 8mo agoI appreciate the author’s work and he seems like a good guy. In spite of that, it’s incredibly obvious OpenClaw was pushed by bots across pretty much every social media platform and that’s weird and unsettling.
- maplethorpe 8mo ago> That’ll need a much broader change, a lot more thought on how to do it safely, and access to the very latest models and research. You work for OpenAI now. You don't have to worry about safety anymore.
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- jjmarr 8mo agoIt's pretty depressing yet motivating seeing SWE bifurcate. This is an app that would've normally had a dozen or so people behind it, all acquihired by OpenAI to find the people who really drove the project. With AI, it's one person who builds and takes everything.
- Aurornis 8mo ago> This is an app that would've normally had a dozen or so people behind it, all acquihired by OpenAI to find the people who really drove the project. Acquihires haven't worked that way for a while. The new acquihire game is to buy out a few key execs and then have them recruit away the key developers, leaving the former company as a shell for someone else to take over and try to run. Also OpenClaw was not a one-person operation. It had several maintainers working together.
- gordonhart 8mo agoEvery day the software world feels more and more like a casino.
- _nvs 8mo agoCongrats — just the beginning for agents!
- rob 8mo agoAll they have to do now is partner with one of the major messaging providers like telegram and they can offer this as a hosted bot solution and probably dominate the market. Yes people are going out there buying mac minis and enjoying setting it up themselves but 90% of the general public don't want to do or maintain that and still want the benefits of all of it.
- sarreph 8mo agoThose attempting to discredit the value of OpenClaw by virtue of it being easily replicable or simple are missing the point. This was, like most successful entrepreneurial endeavours, a distribution play. The creator built a powerful social media following and capitalized on that. Fair play.
- thoughtjunkie 8mo agoIt's kind of a shame actually, because the whole promise of OpenClaw is that you own all the data yourself, you have complete control, you can write the memories or the personality of the bot. "Open"AI will never run ChatGPT this way. They want all of your data, your documents, your calendar, they want to keep it for themselves and lock you into their platform. They will want a sanitised corporate friendly version of an AI agent that reflects well on their brand.
- _nvs 8mo agocongrats @steipete!
- firefoxd 8mo agoSomehow we've normalized running random .exe on our devices. Except now it's markdown.exe and and you sound like a zealot when advocating against it.
- general_reveal 8mo agoWhat should I do with all my video games?
- Capricorn2481 8mo agoMy video games aren't connected to my email.
- mrcwinn 8mo agoI wouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing I have to work for Sam Altman. Dude’s gross.
- zmmmmm 8mo agoJust like the original OpenAI story, this seems like a case of reputation hacking through asymmetry in risk tolerance. There is not much novel about OpenClaw. Anybody could have thought of this or done it. The reason people have not released an agent that would run by itself, edit its own code and be exposed to the internet is not that it's hard or novel - it's because it is an utterly reckless thing to do. No responsible corporate entity could afford to do it. So we needed someone with little enough to lose, enough skill and willing to be reckless enough to do it and release it openly to let everyone else absorb the risk. I think he's smart to jump on the job opportunity here because it may well turn out that this goes south in a big way very fast.
- krackers 8mo agoI think it's at the final stage of software pump and dump [1]. OpenAI is probably hiring more for the reputation/marketing, rather than for any technical skills behind OpenClaw. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46776848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46776848
- slashdave 8mo ago> Anybody could have thought of this or done it To be fair, when used in retrospect, this applies to just about any big tech company
- podgorniy 8mo agoI like your analysis
- shevy-java 8mo ago> I’m joining OpenAI to work on bringing agents to everyone. Sounds like a threat - "I'm joining OpenSkynetAI to bring AI agents onto your harddisc too!"
- dev1ycan 8mo agoThis is how you can tell OpenAI is panicking, rather than build something fairly simple themselves, they insta bought it for the headline news/"hype"...
- ai-christianson 8mo agoFor anyone looking at alternatives in this space - I built Gobii (https://gobii.ai https://gobii.ai) 8 months before OpenClaw existed. MIT licensed, cloud native, gVisor sandboxed. The sandboxing part matters more than people think. Giving an LLM a browser with full network access and no isolation is a real security problem that most projects in this space hand-wave away. Multi-provider LLM support (OpenAI, Anthropic, DeepSeek, open-weight models via vLLM). In production with paying customers. Happy to answer architecture questions.
- ed_mercer 8mo agoLooks good! I'm curious, are customers fine with their data going to third-party LLM providers?
- herval 8mo agoI think this ship has sailed pretty hard, by now. Pretty much any app you can possibly use, from iTerm to Slack, is sending data to third-party LLMs (sometimes explicitly, most times as small features here and there)
- ai-christianson 8mo agoControl of where data goes is always an option. People just need to make that choice.
- ai-christianson 8mo agoNot sure what gives you that idea. One of our superpowers is that we're MIT licensed and deployable to private clouds, or even fully airgapped with 196gb+ of vram to run minimax on vllm + Gobii.
- neilellis 8mo agoWhen I hear people talking about how insecure OpenClaw is, I remember how insecure the internet was in the early days. Sometimes it's about doing the right thing badly and fix the bad things after. Big Tech can't release software this dangerous and then figure out how to make it secure. For them it would be an absolute disaster and could ruin them. What OpenClaw did was show us the future, give us a taste of what it would be like and had the balls to do it badly. Technology is often pushed forwards by ostensively bad ideas (like telnet) that carve a path through the jungle and let other people create roads after. I don't get the hate towards OpenClaw, if it was a consumer product I would, but for hackers to play around to see what is possible it's an amazing (and ridiculously simple) idea. Much like http was. If you connected to your bank account via telnet in the 1980s or plain http in the 90s or stored your secrets in 'crypt' well, you deserved what you got ;-) But that's how many great things get started, badly, we see the flaws fix them and we get the safe version. And that I guess is what he'll get to do now. * OpenClaw is a straw man for AGI *
- fny 8mo agoI really hope Mario who wrote the engine that powers OpenClaw[0] gets spoils as well. OpenClaw is mostly a shell around this (ha!), and I've always been annoyed OpenClaw never credited those repos openly. The pi agent repos are a joy to read, are 1/100th the size of OpenClaw, and have 95% of the functionality. [0]: https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono
- PakG1 8mo agoReminds me of people talking about Angry Birds and the Box2d physics engine. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2273694 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2273694
- nmar3 8mo ago> Special thanks to Mario Zechner for his support and for pi-mono. Special thanks to Adam Doppelt for lobster.bot. https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw?tab=readme-ov-file#community https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw?tab=readme-ov-file#comm...
- maxaw 8mo agoWhile following OpenClaw, I noticed an unexpected resentment in myself. After some introspection, I realized it’s tied to seeing a project achieve huge success while ignoring security norms many of us struggled to learn the hard way. On one level, it’s selfish discomfort at the feeling of being left behind (“I still can’t bring myself to vibe code. I have to at least skim every diff. Meanwhile this guy is joining OpenAI”). On another level, it feels genuinely sad that the culture of enforcing security norms - work that has no direct personal reward and that end users will never consciously appreciate, but that only builders can uphold - seems to be on it’s way out
- merlindru 8mo agoi think your self reflection here is commendable. i agree on both counts. i think the silver lining is that AI seems to be genuinely good at finding security issues and maybe further down the line enough to rely on it somewhat. the middle period we're entering right now is super scary. we want all the value, security be damned, and have no way to know about issues we're introducing at this breakneck speed. still i'm hopeful we can figure it out somehow
- xvector 8mo agoHey, as a security engineer in AI, I get where you're coming from. But one thing to remember - our job is to figure out how to enable these amazing usecases while keeping the blast radius as low as possible. Yes, OpenClaw ignores all security norms, but it's our job to figure out an architecture in which agents like these can have the autonomy they need to act, without harming the business too much. So I would disagree our work is "on the way out", it's more valuable than ever. I feel blessed to be working in security in this era - there has never been a better time to be in security. Every business needs us to get these things working safely, lest they fall behind. It's fulfilling work, because we are no longer a cost center. And these businesses are willing to pay - truly life changing money for security engineers in our niche.
- windexh8er 8mo agoSecurity is always a cost center. We've seen multiple iterations of changes already impact security in the same ways over the last 20+ years. Nothing is different here and the outcomes will be the same: just good enough but always a step behind. The one thing that is a new lever to pull here is time, people need far less of it to make disastrous mistakes. But, ultimately, the game hasn't changed and security budgets will continue to be funneled to off the shelf products that barely work and the remainder of that budget will continue to go to the overworked and underpaid. Nothing really changes.
- jnaina 8mo agoDamn. I just installed OpenClaw on my M2 Mac and hopped on a plane for our SKO in LAX. United delayed the plane departure by 2 hours (of course) and diverted the flight to Honolulu. And Claw (that's the name of my new AI agent) kept me updated on my rebooking options and new terminal/gate assignments in SFO. All through the free WhatsApp access on United. AND, it refactored all my transferred Python code, built a graph of my emails, installed MariaDB and restored a backup from another PC. And, I almost forgot, fixed my 1337x web scrapping (don't ask) cron job, by CloudFlare-proofing it. All the while sitting in a shitty airline, with shitty food and shittier seats, hurtling across the pacific ocean. The future is both amazing and shitty. Hope OpenClaw continues to evolve. It is indeed an amazing piece of work. And I hope sama doesn't get his grubby greedy hands on OpenClaw.
- paulryanrogers 8mo agoDid you ask OpenClaw to do all those things? If not did you want it to do all of them?
- jnaina 8mo agoI asked it to check why the cron job kept failing, and it checked the cron payload and recommended reasons for the failure. I gave it the approval to go ahead and fix it. it tried different options (like trying different domains, and finally figured out the anti CF option).
- jnaina 8mo agothe other tasks (like the MariaDB install and restore, python code refactoring) were a result of the initial requests made to Claw, like graphing my gmail email archives.
- antod 8mo ago> The future is both amazing and shitty I feel like we're living in one of those breathless futurist interviews from a 1994 issue of Wired mag.
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- SilentM68 8mo agoBest way to democratize AI is to keep it as free or as inexpensive as possible.
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- rkunnamp 8mo agoI really hope Mario and Armin also gets poached The real gem inside OpenClaw is pi, the agent, created by Mario Zechner. Pi is by far the best agent framework in the world. Most extensible, with the best primitives. . Armin Ronacher , creator of flask , can go deep and make something like openclaw enterprise ready. The value of Peter is in connecting the dots, thinking from users perspective, and bringing business perspective The trio are friends and have together vibecoded vibetunnel. Sam Altman, if you are reading this , get Mario and Armin today.
- beepbooptheory 8mo agoWhat does "enterprise ready" mean in this context?
- rkunnamp 8mo agoCurrently 2 big issues of openclaw is memory and security. Armin is working on sandboxing primitives which could help a lot.
- beepbooptheory 8mo agoWhat does one do with a sandboxed openclaw?
- bigfishrunning 8mo agoIt means "ready for you to allow it to ruin your enterprise"
- discordance 8mo agoExpensive, bloated and safe for white collars to purchase.
- poontangbot 8mo agoTime to uninstall
- whiterock 8mo agoIt‘s just crazy to me that this guy lives around the corner. That should inspire some hope for me I guess, that even people from Vienna can be successful on such a level.
- GalaxyNova 8mo agoIt's strange how quickly this project got so big... It did not seem like anything particularly novel to me.
- andrewchambers 8mo agoI think it was obvious, yet nobody seemed to have released a version people could actually easily use. The feature set is pretty simple: - Agents that can write their own tools. - Agents that can write their own skills. - Agents that can chat via standard chat apps. - Agents that can install and use cli software. - Agents that can have a bit of state on disk.
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- cowsandmilk 8mo ago> nobody seemed to have released a version people could actually easily use Yet I’ve known many people who have said it is difficult to use; this was a 0.01-0.1% adoption tool. There is still a huge ease of use gap to cross to make it adopted in 10-50% of computer users.
- andrewchambers 8mo agoYeah - people are hungry for it. They tolerate the kind of crappy docs and difficulties.
- disiplus 8mo agothats by design, you know all those huge security implications. now image if it was so easy to setup and install and use.
- swyx 8mo agogood summary. i think you forgot heartbeat.md which powers some autonomy. do you think the agent admin ui mattered at all? other contributors while i think of them: - good timing around opus 4.6 as the default model? (i know he used codex, but willing ot bet majority of openclaws are opuses) - make immediate wins for nontechnical users. everyone else was busy chasing cursor/cognition or building horiztonal stuff like turbopuffer or whatever. this one was straight up "hook up a good bot to telegram" - theres many attempts at "personal OS", "assistant", but no good ones open source? a lot of sketchier china ones, this was the first western one
- tdhz77 8mo agoGoing to short OpenAI after hearing this.
- mortsnort 8mo agoMove fast and break things...
- FpUser 8mo ago>"What I want is to change the world" Thank you, we already fucked. I am a hypocrite of course.
- TSiege 8mo agoThere are a few take aways I think the detractors and celebrators here are missing. 1. OpenAI is saying with this statement "You could be multimillion while having AI do all the work for you." This buy out for something vibe coded and built around another open source project is meant to keep the hype going. The project is entirely open source and OpenAI could have easily done this themselves if they weren't so worried about being directly liable for all the harms OpenClaw can do. 2. Any pretense for AI Safety concerns that had been coming from OpenAI really fall flat with this move. We've seen multiple hacks, scams, and misaligned AI action from this project that has only been used in the wild for a few months. 3. We've yet to see any moats in the AI space and this scares the big players. Models are neck and neck with one another and open source models are not too far behind. Claude Code is great, but so is OpenCode. Now Peter used AI to program an free app for AI agents. LLMs and AI are going to be as disruptive as Web 1 and this is OpenAI's attempt to take more control. They're as excited as they are scared, seeing a one man team build a hugely popular tool that in some ways is more capable than what they've released. If he can build things like this what's stopping everyone else? Better to control the most popular one than try to squash it. This is a powerful new technology and immense amounts of wealth are trying to control it, but it is so disruptive they might not be able to. It's so important to have good open source options so we can create a new Web 1.0 and not let it be made into Web 2.0
- mjr00 8mo ago> 1. OpenAI is saying with this statement "You could be multimillion while having AI do all the work for you." This buy out for something vibe coded and built around another open source project is meant to keep the hype going. The project is entirely open source and OpenAI could have easily done this themselves if they weren't so worried about being directly liable for all the harms OpenClaw can do. This is a great take and hasn't been spoken about nearly enough in this comment section. Spending a few million to buy out Openclaw('s creator), which is by far the most notable product made by Codex in a world where most developer mindshare is currently with Claude, is nothing for a marketing/PR stunt.
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- empressplay 8mo agoThis tells you all you need to know about OpenAI, honestly.
- nelsonfigueroa 8mo ago> "What I want is to change the world". I don't know if you'll achieve that at OpenAI or if it'll even be a good change for the world, but I genuinely wish you the best. Regardless of the news around OpenAI I still think it's great that a personal project got you a position at a company like that.
- paodealho 8mo agoFine doublespeak there. It can mean anything when talking to the public, and anything else when talking to Sam Altman.
- podgorniy 8mo agoThese words may mean anything. From "get people extinct" to "make shit ton of money" for myself. What we know for sure he is not commited to people who trusted him or his project. Consider the project dead. He kinda fits into openai mindset: those people also say right words, use right terms, and do what benefits them personally.
- sunkeeh 8mo agoThis is NOT OpenAI buying OpenClaw, it's OpenAI hiring someone who can build it, similar to them betting on Jony Ive.
- jart 8mo agoThis is basically what's happening: https://youtu.be/N-Esh4W3dfI https://youtu.be/N-Esh4W3dfI
- shuckles 8mo agoOpenAI did not "bet" on Jony Ive. They bought his company io Products.
- coffeebeqn 8mo agoIs that not a bet?
- OJFord 8mo agoIt's certainly not a good way of explaining that this is a hire and not an acquisition!
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- raspasov 8mo agoExactly. Unfortunately, it seems like the ship has sailed towards exploitation of the current local maximum (I got GPUs and Terawatts, let’s go!) instead of looking for something better.
- willmeyers 8mo agoInnocent people are going to get hurt. Not sure how yet, but, giving a company intimate details about your life never ends well.
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- ambicapter 8mo ago> The claw is the law. This isn't a Slay The Spire reference is it?
- kurtoid 8mo agoI think so
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- lumost 8mo agoPersonal agents disrupt OpenAI’s revenue plan. They had been planning to put ads in ChatGPT to make revenue. If users rapidly move to personal agents which are more resistant to ads, running on a blend of multiple models/compute providers - then they won’t be able to deliver their revenue promises.
- btbuildem 8mo ago> had been planning to put ads in ChatGPT As per the new terms of service, the ads are already in
- Traster 8mo agoFirstly, OpenAI has lacked focus so they're pursuing lots of different paths despite the obvious one (ads in chatgpt), like hiring Johnny Ive - a move that feels more WeWork than anything. But secondly, personal agents can be great for OpenAI, if the user isn't even interacting with the AI and is just letting it go off autonously then you're basically handing your wallet to the AI, and if the model underlying that agent is OpenAI, you're handing your wallet to them. Imagine for a second that a load of stuff is now being done through personal agents, and suddenly OpenAI release an API where vendors can integrate directly with the OpenAI agent. If OpenAI control that API and control how people integrate with it, there's a potential there that OpenAI could become the AppStore for AI, capturing a slice of every penny spent through agents. There's massive upside to this possibility.
- cantalopes 8mo agoIsn't openai getting tanked because of its support of trump and ice?
- jatora 8mo agoPlease exit your echo chamber
- cantalopes 8mo agoI was actually surprised to find a lot of people outside of my bubbles with this sentiment, from regular people from both of political spectrums to companies switching their llm provider (not us based)
- jatora 8mo agoIt's the same thing as bluesky. Plenty of people flocked. Not enough to actually make a difference. Nobody actually cares about these things. If you think OpenAI is more in bed with the current admin than any other AI company you should take a closer look
- I_am_tiberius 8mo agoI really hoped he would support Europe’s startup ecosystem. Hopefully, he will at least bring stronger privacy standards to OpenAI, such as a policy that prohibits reading or analyzing user prompts or AI responses.
- dhruv3006 8mo agoSo if Openclaw is chromium then what will be chrome?
- vldszn 8mo agoGood exit for him imo
- bakugo 8mo agoThis is easily the most successful tech grift I've ever seen. Props to this guy for scamming Altman this hard without writing a single line of code, or really doing anything at all other than paying for a bunch of github stars and tweets/blogposts from fellow grifters.
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- jasonfj40 8mo agoFuck
- fishingisfun 8mo agogood for you. make that money
- simianwords 8mo agoim happy for him but it seems like a fairly simple app? why the need to poach?
- wewewedxfgdf 8mo agoOpenAI would have paid $400M or more for the latest AI hotness. My guess if this guy has taken a job for maybe $1M, effectively handing over the crown jewels to Altman for nothing. OpenAI must be laughing their heads off. Beads and blankets.
- sigmar 8mo ago>effectively handing over the crown jewels lol. what?
- I_am_tiberius 8mo agoHe's an experienced founder (psPdfKit)!
- shepherdjerred 8mo agoDidn’t he make this in a month or two? That’s a great ROI
- yellow_lead 8mo agoWhat crown jewels? Isn't openclaw, errr "open" source?
- wewewedxfgdf 8mo agoElastic (Elasticsearch) – ~6.5 B USD MongoDB – ~30 B USD Docker – Private (~2+ B USD last valuation) Redis Ltd. – Private (~2 B USD last valuation) Grafana Labs – Private (~6 B USD last valuation) Confluent (Apache Kafka) – ~11 B USD Cloudera (Apache Hadoop) – 5.3 B USD (acquired) SUSE Linux – ~2.5 B USD Red Hat – 34 B USD (acquired) HashiCorp – 6.4 B USD (acquired)
- catmanjan 8mo agoDid claudebot have paying customers? My understanding with these companies is that you buy the market, the product can just be forked (like Amazon did)
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- dangus 8mo agoThe tone of this blog post reads as incredibly snobby, self-congratulatory, main character syndrome. Please dispense with the “change the world” bullshit. I understand that it’s healthy to celebrate your personal victories but in this context with this bro going to OpenAI to make 7 figures, maaaan I don’t think this guy needs our clicks. On top of that there’s a better than 50% chance OpenAI suffocates the open source project and the alternative will be a paid privacy nightmare.
- andxor 8mo agoSalty. Celebrate people's success. It's good for your soul.
- dangus 8mo agoIt’s hard to celebrate the success of people who convey toxic Silicon Valley stereotypes. And I’m not going to celebrate the success of multimillionaires who are quitting their passion projects to join the evil empire to “change the world” by making the lives of the working class worse and transferring more wealth to the top. Someone in OP’s position of success has the means to make the choice to not work with a Palantir collaborator, but they chose to go for it.
- jbverschoor 8mo agoWow, I really thought he would go with meta
- noelsusman 8mo agoIt likely won't matter much in the end, but I do think this could be a significant mistake for OpenAI. OpenAI has two real competitors: Anthropic in the enterprise space and Google in the consumer space. Google fell far behind early on and ceded a lot of important market share to ChatGPT. They're catching up, but the runaway success of ChatGPT provides OpenAI with a huge runway among consumers. In the enterprise space, OpenAI's partnership with Microsoft has been a gold mine. Every company on the planet has a deep relationship with Microsoft, so being able to say "hey just add this to your Microsoft plan" has been huge for OpenAI. The thing about enterprise is the stakes are high. Every time OpenAI signals that they're not taking AI safety seriously, Anthropic pops another bottle of champagne. This is one of those moments. Again, I doubt it matters much either way, but if OpenAI does end up blowing up, decisions like this will be in the large pile of reasons why.
- ardme 8mo agoThis take is imo very contrarian. Is Anthropic really popping champagne? They kind of look like the bad guys in this entire saga. If not the bad guys the enemy of fun and open source builders.
- djmips 8mo agoWho are you referring to by "They" it's not clear to me.
- reg_dunlop 8mo ago"popping champagne" is a figure of speech (perhaps hyperbole, or an idiom) meant to express not the literal act of "really popping champagne", but instead reaping the benefits of a seemingly poorly calculated business move by the other guys. Claiming Dario is the bad guy in any context is kind of a tough characterization to agree with, if even a fraction of one interview with him has been seen. To stay on point though: OpenAI hiring OpenClaw creator does seem to lean away from a serious enterprise benefit and towards a more consumer-based tack, which is a curious business move considering the original comments perspective of OpenAI.
- BonoboIO 8mo agoPeter is already a multimillionaire — he had an exit a few years ago for around $100 million. By his own account, he's spending $10,000+ per month on LLM tokens and other development costs. As long as OpenClaw stays open source and it remains possible to use all providers, this is totally fine by me. Honestly, Anthropic really dropped the ball here. They could have had such an easy integration and gained invaluable research data on how people actually want to use AI — testing workflows, real-world use cases, etc. Instead, OpenAI swoops in and gets all of that. Massive missed opportunity.
- npn 8mo agoOpenAI is speeding up the race to be the most evil company in the world. Impressing.
- 0xbadcafebee 8mo agoDude builds an Anthropic-themed vibe-coded app (calls himself an "Anthropoholic"), it becomes insanely popular, and also happens to be completely insecure, Anthropic pressures him to change project's name twice, he does, and finally OpenAI acquires the inventor.
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- pdyc 8mo agoI think peter was mostly using calude and to a lesser extent codex and claude was getting a free marketing. If he can just improve codex to work better with openclaw it will be a big win for openai. If he can make openai agent at par with openclaw with added safety/security it would be a big win too. Its a smart move by openai and i totally get it.
- ohmahjong 8mo agoPeter was quite vocal on twitter about _only_ using Codex to develop OpenClaw, but Claude is what a majority of people were (are?) using to run the tool itself.
- mmaunder 8mo agoGood move. OpenClaw is alpha quality, very dangerous, super useful and super fun - which amplifies the danger. It’s a disaster waiting to happen and a massive risk for a solo dev to take on. So best to trade it for a killer job offer and transfer all that risk. To get a sense of what this guy was going through listen to the first 30 mins of Lex’s recent interview with him. The cybersquatting and token/crypto bullshit he had to deal with is impressive.
- bananaboy 8mo agoHe's not really trading anything though. He was hired by OpenAI. OpenClaw will remain free and open source (it's the first line of his blog post). He says that OpenAI will allow him to work on it and already sponsors it so maybe that means he'll have time to improve it, I guess.
- esskay 8mo agoGiven he's moving to SF to work in their office I presume part of it is he'll be working in-house on their commercial replacement, and will continue to cover costs on the OSS version which he's free to work on. His recent posts make it clear they've got plans for their own stuff to replace it.
- brandensilva 8mo agoRight, he indicated he's losing $10-20k a month on OpenClaw. Might as well let OpenAI absorb those losses and join the rocket ship. The guy is a multi millionaire from selling his old software so I'm doubtful it is about the money for him at this point as much as it is the experience working with this tech on another level.
- solumos 8mo agoYes, just like Jony Ive has been doing
- archon810 8mo agoLex's interview https://youtu.be/YFjfBk8HI5o https://youtu.be/YFjfBk8HI5o.
- kraf 8mo agoI usually don't notice these things but in the picture in the bottom it's almost exclusively white men.
- tabs_or_spaces 8mo agoI'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. Then after a bunch of podcasts and interviews, this person gets hired by a big tech company. Would you hire someone who never read any if the code that they've developed? Well, this is what happened here. In this timeline, I'm not sure I find anything inspiring here. It's telling me that I should rather focus on getting viral/lucky to get a shot at "success". Maybe I should network better to get "successful". I shouldn't be focusing on writing good code or good enough agents. I shouldn't write secure software, instead I should write softwares that can go viral instead. Are companies hiring for vitality or merit these days? What is even happening here? So am I jealous, yes because this timeline makes no sense as a software engineer. But am I happy for the guy, yeah I also want to make lots of money someday.
- spaceman_2020 8mo agoGoing by how insanely viral OpenClaw has been on X, I don’t think any of the stars were bought
- bananaboy 8mo agoThere were some comments somewhere below about that virality being bought though. I don't know how true that is or where those commenters got their information. If you look at google trends though there is practically no mention of ClawdBot before around January 23, even though the project was released in November.
- aixpert 8mo agohe likely poured oil into the flame investing a few hundred bucks to double the virality
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- zombot 8mo ago> The more I talked with the people there, the clearer it became that we both share the same vision. Bringing unblockable ads to the masses. Roger that.
- dschuetz 8mo agoGood luck!
- casualscience 8mo agoCan someone explain what value openclaw provides over like claude code? It seems like it's literally just a repackaged claude code (i.e. a for loop around claude) with a model selector (and I guess a few builtin 'tools' for web browsing?)
- timwis 8mo agoFrom what I remember, the key differentiating features were: - a heartbeat, so it was able to 'think'/work throughout the day, even if you weren't interacting with it - a clever and simple way to retain 'memory' across sessions (though maybe claude code has this now) - a 'soul' text file, which isn't necessarily innovative in itself, but the ability for the agent to edit its own configuration on the fly is pretty neat Oh, and it's open source
- casualscience 8mo agoI see, so there's actually an additional for loop here, which is `sleep(n); check_all_conversations()`, that is not something claude code does for sure. As far as the 'soul' file, claude does have claude.md and skills.md files that it can edit with config changes. One thing I'm curious about is whether there was significant innovation around tools for interacting with websites/apps. From their wiki, they call out like 10 apps (whatsapp, teams, etc...) that openclaw can integrate with, so IDK if it just made interacting with those apps easier? Having agents use websites is notoriously a shitty experience right now.
- baby 8mo agoThe point is that you interact with through your messaging app
- baby 8mo agoIts a coding agent in a loop (infinite loops are rejected by coding agents usually) with access to your computer, some memory, and can communicate through telegram. That’s it. It’s brilliant though and he was the first to put it out there.
- wiether 8mo agoThat's a brilliant move from OpenAI. In the past, people wanting to sign a juicy contract at a FAANG were told to spend hours everyday on Leetcode. Now? Just spend tokens until you build something that get enough traction to be seen by one of the big labs!
- WA 8mo agoJust <whatever>… to gain lots of traction. Gaining traction is the tough part.
- geoffbp 8mo agoCongrats!
- koolala 8mo agoI like the foundation ideas.
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- cbold 8mo agoI thought it was a an interesting focal point for agentic ideas, but now it is too much flavored towards OpenAI
- dinkumthinkum 8mo agoWhat exactly is the grand vision for this person. He uses soaring language to describe changing the world for his grandma or something. What is his vision and vision that all these smiling people in his pictures have of the world? Is it complete economic collapse? Is it the complete destruction of society due to AI? Is that really so exciting?
- yapyap 8mo agohahahahaha, bro jumped at the bag
- samiv 8mo agoWho's this yahoo?
- consumer451 8mo agoThe creator of the original: https://www.nutrient.io/company/about/pspdfkit/ https://www.nutrient.io/company/about/pspdfkit/
- chaostheory 8mo agoI hope this results in an OpenAI client harness where the data is local.
- keyle 8mo agoMaybe one day there will be a book citing the weird influence of crusteans on the tech world of this era... crabs, lobsters, ... I'm holding on for the next crayfish!
- podgorniy 8mo agoAfter this there is an inevitable wave of carcinisation of the agents/AI-centric software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation
- bob1029 8mo agoIf you step back and look at this whole thing from a marketing and cash flow perspective, I think it makes a lot more sense. It is in OAI's best interests to create a perception that flinging agentic swarm crap at the wall may result in lucrative job offers. Or to otherwise imply this is the golden path. They need their customers to consume ever more tokens per unit time. This highly contentious parallel agent swarm stuff is the perfect recipe.
- hirako2000 8mo agoVery good business observation. Plus employees who can inject hyped ideas is exactly the sort of efficient advertising openai relies on It will hurt when self proclaimed coders realise 2 years later and all their savings burned on token they cannot all get meaningful traction.
- trusche 8mo agoThat picture at the end of the post really explains and sums up the problem with AI bias...
- rasmus1610 8mo agoSo many people are so salty, it’s wild. That’s peak HN here
- saos 8mo agoI personally haven’t used open claw due to security concerns on my device. How to mitigate this concern?
- beaker52 8mo agoDon’t use it, or give it access to nothing important, therefore vastly limiting its potential. That’s the only way. Prompt injection is a thing, and a lot of vibe coding, Gas Town, Ralph-loop enthusiasts are vehemently ignoring the risk believing they’re getting ahead. I wouldn’t worry and just observe the guinea pigs doing their thing. Most of them will run around expending all their energy, some will get eaten by snakes, and you’ll be able to learn a lot, wait for the environment to mature, then spend your energy, instead.
- chillacy 8mo agoMy take: openclaw should not run on a mac (even though looking at the skills it ships with it clearly was made to) It should run on its own VPS with full root access, given api keys which have spending limits, given no way for strangers to talk to it. I treat it as a digital assistant, a separate entity, who may at some point decide to sell me out as any human stranger might, and then share personal info under that premise.
- kykeonaut 8mo agoI am surprised at the amount of comments that dismiss coding as just means to an end. Yes, every skill at the end of the day is a means to an end, but mastery of those skills is at the end what drives the vision. To know where you are going you need to know where you have been.
- andxor 8mo agoIf you actually spent some time researching his background you would know he was already very successful before his vibe-coding saga.
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- laurentiurad 8mo agoGot super inspired by this story and (sorry for the plug) decided to build comrade, a security-focused AI agent: https://github.com/LaurentiuGabriel/comrade https://github.com/LaurentiuGabriel/comrade. I might be biased, but in my tests it managed to complete coding tasks (creating web apps from scratch) with less tools, which means less tokens, lower costs than openclaw. What I am missing is distribution. It seems impossible to get traction nowadays on social media, regardless how good your product is. Any feedback is much appreciated.
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- huge_rank_rat 8mo agoThis is the same "heating" effect as social media algorithms apply to random podcasters (e.g. Joe Rogan) - those isolated cases of success which happen to be completely synthetic provide an 'american dream' for the system, whose success depends on the Fantasy being alive and believed in by those who are its customers/product
- hirako2000 8mo agoI like the parallel as Joe Rogan is a trained actor who mastered the art of incorporating all the success factors of its predecessors. He saw obscure podcasts gaining intense viewership, he literally mimicked the patterns and merged it into the "best" of all. Even made his more mainstream, while fooling millions to feel they are part of a niche enlighten resistance community. I recall listing to one of the now vintage series, I thought it was Joe Rogan himself. But it wasn't, the voice was a bit different but the pause, the reactions, the "waaah" with the overall tone of uncovering some secret truth. It's a fascinating societal phenomenon, coupled with the American dream, yes. In any case those examples are doing no good by setting themselves as models for millions to become obsessed in replicating. No surprise the rate of people in depression keeps going up.
- rchaud 8mo agoTo Rogan's credit, he was early to the concept of video podcasts, which Youtube's algorithm picked up on after they lifted video time limits in 2010 (or thereabouts). His videos were so long that he also profited handsomely from pre-roll and mid-roll ads that Youtube started introducing early in the last decade. Finally his popularity exploded once he started delving into "pop culture commentary" and "conspiracy theories" in the mid-2010s.
- DrScientist 8mo agoI think the goal for OpenAI employees today should be to do as much good as possible with the ridiculous amount of investor money raised before the bubble goes pop. The question is whether OpenClaw will actually stay open in the world of 'Open'Ai.
- podgorniy 8mo agoThis is all about PR now. openclaw is inevitable type of software (as cli agents, as context-management software, as new methodologies of structuring sofware for easier AI ingestion, etc). Guy gamed, built it, guy got it. At this point I would not expect well-rounded software as a byproduct of huge investments and PR stunts. There will be something else after LLMs, I bet people are already working on it. But current state of affairs of LLMs and all the fuss aroud them is way more peceptive, PR and emotion driven than containing intristic value.
- seyz 8mo agook
- blueTiger33 8mo agothe guy is Austrian... would prefer if the project evolved further but he used it as a trampoline to jump to OpenAi... OpenAi is curating ChatGpt very well, which honestly I like, compared to other companies, maybe expect Anthropic, they are not "caring" that much
- ckastner 8mo agoAustrian media are reporting that Peter Steinberger had a $100m exit with PSPDFKit in 2021. I'm extremely curious what OpenAI's offer was. The utility of more money is diminished when you're already pretty wealthy.
- OJFord 8mo agoIt makes me more inclined to take the OP at face value, genuine interest in working on something similar and making it easier for everyone ('my mum') to use. It probably also makes him more attractive to OpenAI et al. - he's not just some guy who's going to have all sorts of risks earning a lot of money for the first time.
- darkwater 8mo agoI think he accepted that offer exactly for this reason . He feels he can have a bigger impact within OpenAI (and maybe become a billionaire in the medium run?) that creating his own business (again) out of OpenClaw.
- didntknowyou 8mo agoat this point idk what openclaw does and am afraid to ask but great for him
- brap 8mo agoEvery time this is brought up I have to go read up on it again, assuming I just didn’t get it last time. And every time I reach the same conclusion: it's a WhatsApp/Telegram/etc wrapper for LLMs. Until next time!
- bomewish 8mo agoKinda… funny? that one in this position could not just blurt out “they offered the most”?
- tempo_throwo 8mo agoI feel like a lot of people miss out what this hire and his decision to join are really about. I (think) I can relate, because I once had a viral hit (with interviews, press, etc) that made me "silicon valley famous" for a while, and ended up with me joining a mega-company despite lots of speculation I'd build it into a startup. The two sides: * From his POV: He said he's not interested in doing "another company" after spending 13 years trying to build a startup. I imagine there's another aspect too, which is that OpenClaw is not in itself an inherently revenue-generating product, nor is it IP-defensible. This was my situation. My viral hit could (and soon was) replicated by many others. I had the advantage of being "the guy who invented that cool thing", but otherwise I would be starting from scratch. It was a mind-fuck having a huge hit on my hands from one day to the next, but with no obvious direction on how to capitalize on it. * Then from the company's POV: despite hiring thousands and thousands of employees, only a tiny handful of them ever capture any "magic." You've got an army of product managers who have never actually built or conceived of a product people love, and engineers who usually propose ideas that are ok but probably not true gold. So now here we have a guy who did actually conjure up something magical that really resonated with people. Can he do it again? Unknown, but he's already proved himself in the ideas space more than most people, so it's worth a shot for the company.
- singularfutur 8mo agoMoving the project to a foundation is smart. Most AI tools die when the founder leaves. This one might actually survive.
- asim 8mo agoWell that was a crazy month. Kudos to this guy for recognising his goals which is not to start another company. It is very easy to get intoxicated by the idea of something being so successful that you can capture the value, especially after having struggled for so long with a previous company. I think it's every founder's dream to like just hit lightning. But this stuff is incredibly stressful and it's important to be able to look into the future and ask yourself. Is this what I want? Is this what I need in my life? And the answer here is no. This person can deliver value elsewhere quite easily and get the reward without as much stress. We should all take a lesson from this whirlwind journey. Do not attempt to be like Peter. You can admire the work he's done. Do not attempt to replicate it. Appreciate it for what it is. For yourself as an observer or a user it's a lesson. But also to note that this is an anomaly. You will never replicate it. A lot of people feel a little bit of envy or jealousy. I used to feel that when I was working on something and I saw other people succeed and I wished that that had happened to me. But if it was meant for you it would find you. And the fact that it hasn't found you means that it was not meant for you. We all have our role to play. There is something important for us to do and that's not necessarily something that is world famous or amasses thousands of GitHub stars. If after reading this it's still bothering you. Take a walk and reflect on the good things in your life.
- hklgny 8mo agoThis feels like such a defeatist take. The ideas time had come. For luck to strike you have to be in the market for it. Just keep shipping and playing. We don’t “all have our role to play” but there are a lot of roles that need playing
- asim 8mo agoBut that's the point it's not defeatist. It's more about saying there is something for you to do. There is a role for you to play but that's not necessarily the role that you see somebody else playing. So sometimes we see somebody else doing something and we think whoa that person is successful and we become envious of that and then we want to emulate that. But we forget that maybe that's not what's intended for us. Maybe that person is really good at that thing or that's what was for them. But for us we might be good at something else and there might be something that we are uniquely positioned to do so. The point is not to be defeatist but not to focus on what somebody else has right. Focus on what you have and focus on what your ability is and focus on what's going to improve your quality of life and the people around you and don't focus on the negative aspects of what is effectively fomo
- chaboud 8mo agoCool. Good for him. I've been building agentic and observational systems and have been working to make them safe and layered in defense. And, well, I probably should have just said "fuck it" and put a disclaimer sticker on the front to let it fly. Yeah, these systems are going to get absolutely rocked by exploits. The scale of damage is going to be comical, and, well, that's where we are right now. Go get 'em, tiger. It's a brave new world. But, as with my 10 year old, I need to make sure the credit cards aren't readily available. He'd just buy $1k of robux. Who knows what sort of havoc uncorked agentic systems could bring? One of my systems accidentally observed some AWS keys last night. Yeah. I rotated them, just in case.
- spacecadet 8mo agoHis mum don't need an AI agent. She needs her family to pull their heads of out their asses and support her.
- spacecadet 8mo agoMen definitely down voted this.
- program_whiz 8mo agoThis is a smart play. Models aren't going to be a moat, performance is too easy to replicate and all the big players (and even OSS) are following quickly behind. The only moat that will be stable is having something with network effects and adoption overhead, something that can grab eyes and has sticking power. This was probably the idea behind Sora (although it hasn't worked). Filling the team with people who come up with novel and interesting ways to grab attention that could possibly create vendor lock-in is probably the goal.
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- aceelric 8mo agoKudos to the guy for building such an awesome project in a very short amount of time. Of course he had to take some shortcuts to deliver, but at the end of the day, OpenClaw remains one of the best open source AI assistant implementations.
- jandragsbaek 8mo agoIt indeed is the logical next step. It's been super interesting following him online and he's inspired a bunch of people to just go build stuff. Because why not.
- MaggieL 8mo agoSomething very interesting happened to me yesterday. I'd been having conversations with ChatGPT about OpenClaw, nothing remarkable or extraordinary. Then I started a new conversation to talk about a different aspect, and GPT assumed I wanted to talk about some old PC game. To disambiguate, I now had to refer to OpenClaw.ai. I asked it if it had some new system directive about this, and of course it denied it. Today we learn OpenAI has hired the OpenClaw developer, and he's "turning the project over to a foundation"
- miloignis 8mo agoI believe that the rename to OpenClaw happened after the cutoff date for pretty much all model's training data, so unless you say something that causes them to look it up they'll get it wrong and assume it's about the old PC game. I was messing around trying to get different models to setup an OpenClaw NixOS VM for me and had to disambiguate for most of the models I tried.
- Alifatisk 8mo agoTitle could have mentioned this relates to Openclaw/moltbot/clawdbot too. Now the post became more relevant to read when I realized what this was about.
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- luisln 8mo agoWeird how OpenAI would spend so much money to buy a developer when developers will just be obsolete in a couple years.
- novoreorx 8mo agoGreat products sell methodology, not just code. Great developers produce methodology. So what OpenAI bought isn't a developer, but a meta-methodology owner. It's a bet on Peter's mind to produce leading methodology for agent applications.
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- Mentlo 8mo agoThe generous interpretation is that Open AI is still safety aligned and they hired this guy because it's safer to have him inside and explain to him how reckless he's being, than having him far from "sphere of control". The more likely scenario is that he was hired for the amazing ability to move fast and break things.
- franze 8mo agoSo with Max Stoiber and Peter Steinberger 2 well known Austrian Devs ended up at OpenAI.
- toddmorrow 8mo agoso open claw will be neither open nor claw
- CalRobert 8mo agoIf only Europe could have offered him something even remotely competitive.
- lacoolj 8mo agoIt'll be funny when his first task on his first day is un-slopping the trough bucket
- ambitious_whale 8mo agoHappy or you man keep it up i hope i join it one day too
- jeffkumar 8mo agoIt's hard not to be jealous. What he did is incredible, he grabbed attention of the tech community like no other...however good or bad he was at it and making it secure. He was curious and experimental and got lucky!
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- deadbabe 8mo agoInsane. Maybe the takeaway is to just quickly build things that will impress people and have no regard for safety or security. For OpenAI it’s a smart move, snatch up the creator of a viral and ride on its coat tails for the hype.
- Muaz_Ashraf 8mo agoCongrats! can you tell me how I can also be get hired in such companies. I have 3 years of experience.
- chonydev 8mo agoHahaha Join us in the wait list, mate. In the meantime, maybe we could make a whole community and try to make our own start-ups.
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- andrei_says_ 8mo agoIf the photo at the bottom of the post is a photo of the OpenAI team, then it’s white bros all the way. Meaning, these products are being created by representatives of the kind of people carrying the most privilege and having the least impact of negative decisions. For example, Twitter did not start sanitizing location data in photos until women joined the team and indicated that such data can be used for stalking. White rich bros do not get stalked. This problem does not exist in their universe.
- FartyMcFarter 8mo agoIt's not OpenAI. It's ClawCon.
- _luiza_ 8mo agoSomehow seeing 1025 comments after 21h of HN makes me realise the smallness of the world. This has been travelling on a bunch of platforms, but the niche-ish ones have fairly low engagement numbers.. in the grand scheme of things. Hello, fellow humans
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- MangoCoffee 8mo agoPeter is not a vibe coder. He build/code and sold a company way before LLMs. a lot of comments here seem to so fix on him being a "vibe coder"
- makerdiety 8mo agoHe generates vibe coding.
- lunias 8mo agoOpenAI wants OpenClaw because OpenAI is not hype anymore. That's it. I've been pretty put-off by OpenAI though, so this will likely reduce my interest in OpenClaw.
- HackerThemAll 8mo ago"OpenAI has made strong commitments to enable me to dedicate my time to it and already sponsors the project." The bankrupt company sponsors anything, that sounds credible.
- realaaa 8mo agowell this was bound to happen of course - and I guess Anthropic crossed wires with him a bit after Clawd etc bickering furthermore Sam Altman desperately needs something cool again at OpenAI
- upmind 8mo agoDoes he explain why he thinks OpenAI is the best way to "change the world". I really think he's wrong there. He's one person in a 3000 person organisation vs this product that has insane traction right now and has companies willing to purchase it for 8-9 digits. This feels worse for the Bun JS acquisition because you know that it likely won't be worked on seriously again by him unlike Bun.
- Prokofy 8mo agoSo long, and thanks for all the lobsters! : )
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