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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

• aix1 4mo ago
  Given Amazon's fairly large equity stake in Anthropic, I really don't get their motivation. Anyone care to speculate?
  • re-thc 4mo ago
    It's not ZDR so none of the megacorps are using it anyway. Microsoft already complained. If you can't use it then might as well get rid of it.
    • aix1 4mo ago
      But Amazon has a fairly large equity position in Anthropic. Why mess with that?
      • deafpolygon 4mo ago
        Drive it down so they can buy more equity?
      • re-thc 4mo ago
        > But Amazon has a fairly large equity position in Anthropic. Why mess with that? Read the fine prints. None of these hyperscaler deals are $ for equity. It's some provide hosting, rentals etc. With how things are going they can just find another customer.
        • aix1 4mo ago
          > None of these hyperscaler deals are $ for equity. As of Feb, Amazon held $45.8 billion of convertible notes and $14.8 billion of nonvoting preferred stock in Anthropic. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-ai-bet-anthropic-soars-61-billion-valuation-2026-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-ai-bet-anthropic-soar...
          • jazzyjackson 4mo ago
            Yes OP is saying they didn’t pay all cash for those shares
            • s1artibartfast 4mo ago
              So they dont care about it? How is that relevant? If I have 5% of a company, I dont care if I traded services or cash for it.
              • re-thc 4mo ago
                > If I have 5% of a company IF You may not. The whole AI circular finance deals don't work that way. Maybe just maybe this 1 does but 90% don't. There's some SPV (special purpose vehicle) that holds some of the assets and leases it back to the main company. The backers sort of support the SPV and the lenders lose out. For example SpaceX claimed to raise a huge round from Nvidia. They got maybe 5% of it as real cash. The rest is Nvidia taking its own GPUs into SPV and leasing it to SpaceX. Nothing changed hands. Another example is see AMD's OpenAI deal. You get x% shares after using so much GPUs. So there's shiny announcements and there's how much are real shares with no terms paid with cash. > I dont care if I traded services or cash for it. The point is you might not even have it OR it got massively diluted in creative ways.
              • jazzyjackson 4mo ago
                It’s relevant because it doesn’t actually signal anything about the parent company / shareholders commitment. Their ownership shares are nominally worth x billion dollars, which represents an enormous incentive to have the venture succeed - OTOH it does not represent the actual scale of the bet being made, because the shareholders never parted with z billions in the first place, just signed agreements to provide store credit for enormous cloud resources
  • whynotmaybe 4mo ago
    In business, nothing's off limit to destroy others. You can be better, or you can report them for any "illegal" stuff.
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  • SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
    I would speculate that they were concerned, as many people familiar with frontier AI models are, that they are dangerous and could be misused to do bad things.
    • SubiculumCode 4mo ago
      Everyone assumes that it is business motivated. Perhaps, but perhaps that business motivation is the fact that this group at Amazon had reportedly many past interaction with the Administration about AI safety, and this being just the latest interaction.
    • sumeno 4mo ago
      Yeah... because Amazon is famous for caring about safety over profits...
      • SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
        If Amazon's stake in Anthropic goes up 10x, but American national security is fatally compromised in the process, I kinda doubt that's net profitable for Amazon. They're not going to be able to deliver in 2 days or hit AWS sales targets if everyone's drowning in cyberattacks.
        • inigyou 4mo ago
          Isn't that what the entire billionaire class has been doing for decades though? Making profit go up and up while destroying national security? They don't seem to feel it's a net negative.
          • SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
            No? I'm really not sure what you could be referring to. Tech billionaires are if anything too willing to follow the government's lead on national security; they don't seem to have particularly minded the whole PRISM saga, even knowing that it would fatally compromise their relationships with privacy organizations.
  • vulcan01 4mo ago
    I think it's just to hype Anthropic. Check it out, we have products so dangerous the government banned them, we must be so advanced. (Their competitors cannot make such a claim.)
    • SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
      You think Dario called up Andy Jassy and told him "Hey, we're trying to get Fable banned, so can you please go talk to the government and tell them that they need to ban it"?
      • kypro 4mo ago
        He's always talking about how dangerous AI is, how the models he's building could be used for cyber attacks, and how if his company is successful then at least 50% of the white-collar workforce will lose their jobs. Doesn't seem that unlikely he might say something like that.. Unless he's super-villain evil it sounds like he believes the government needs to do something?
      • throwaway85825 4mo ago
        Yes and in a year they will ask for a government bailout because of the ban.
    • simianwords 4mo ago
      sorry but when will this line of cute conspiracy theories stop? do you really think this was premeditated to hype up Anthropic?
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      • solenoid0937 4mo ago
        It doesn't stop, about 75% of HN users mistake being conspiratorial/cynical for sounding smart.
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  • lubujackson 4mo ago
    Everyone is assuming this isn't a positive outcome for Anthropic. Think about the optics: everyone was shitting on Anthropic for silently downgrading Fable. Now that is forgotten, they have a chance to spend a week or two revising their approach, then will come out with a "Gov't approved" version and life goes on. Most importantly, Anthropic has been too "uppity" and needed to be put in their place by the powers that be. Power hates disruption. Restrictions, control (and investment) are defenses against transformative tech. Amazon needs Anthropic to bend the knee for their investment to have long term value - the sooner the better.
    • JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
      > Everyone is assuming this isn't a positive outcome for Anthropic It’s not. Shitting on or not, Fable was being used and clearly folks were running up bills. This is political retribution against Anthropic, pure and simple. The fact that Anthropic may be able to spin that doesn’t change what it fundamentally is.
    • cmrdporcupine 4mo ago
      Sure, and at the end, there will be one of Trump's kids or friends on the board at Anthropic, and probably with access to pre-IPO stock at a nice friendly strike price. Surely not at all a coincidence that this all shook out right after Anthropic filed for IPO, and SpaceX IPOd with a nice giant valuation. Given everything that happened in Iran this spring, with constant stock pump and dumps, tweets timed to market events, etc. the default analysis of everything the feds do should be: how is this enriching Trump and his buddies?
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  • petra 4mo ago
    It depends what the end goal may be. If the end goal is that only regulated US companies can use Fable, that is a pretty good outcome for Amazon, and also for Jeff Bezos's new startup which aims to use AI to monopolize large industries that depend on advanced engineering in the physical world.
    • logicchains 4mo ago
      >If the end goal is that only regulated US companies can use Fable, that is a pretty good outcome for Amazon It's a terrible outcome for Amazon because it destroys Anthropic's revenue. Roughly half of Anthropic's customers are foreigners, and they wouldn't use Anthropic if its next generation model was banned while other providers' next generation models aren't. And if the US follows through and bans all Mythos-level models for foreigners, then in 6-12 months the entire global market will be overtaken by China when its models catch up, and Amazon will lose money on its investment in OpenAI too.
      • baq 4mo ago
        Immediate revenue impact is basically 0 - nobody cancels their Claude sub because Fable isn’t why they got it in the first place (by nobody I mean like 1% of total users and they’re likely net neutral tokenmaxxers for revenue). Signal to OpenAI and Google is clear: can’t release too smart models or they get controlled. It follows there is no danger to revenue since other providers are forced to plateau at the same level. …which puts the whole train the next model business idea a risky proposition since the training can’t ever pay for itself - but USG really wants you to keep training, so guess what happens? Oh and re China - if you think they’ll release an open Mythos-class model, I have a bridge to sell.
        • skeptic_ai 4mo ago
          Why China wouldn’t release?
          • petra 4mo ago
            Today china can't prevent the world from accessing LLM's so it plays it's current game, to get a good position in it. But if large parts of the world won't have access to a good llm, keeping the llm private gives them an advantage.
  • doubleorseven 4mo ago
    they figured out taking fable off plans at 22/6 was a bad idea business wise so they maneuvered
    • conradkay 4mo ago
      I'd guess it's absurdly good business wise, given API pricing is like 10-30x as much
  • plaidfuji 4mo ago
    As much as it’s tempting to read some kind of ulterior motive into this, I think the most reasonable explanation is that AWS, as perhaps the single biggest point of failure in the backbone of US IT infrastructure, has legitimate concerns about its ability to fend off attacks from bad actors armed with the most advanced models.
  • qsera 4mo ago
    What do you mean? People are going to rush to get a subscription when this ban eventually lift. Brilliant marketing!
  • onel 4mo ago
    I'm pretty sure this was an unintended consequences. They received the report from anthropic and just shared it with the government without thinking that it might cause this.
• timmg 4mo ago
  > Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... All models can do that. I wonder if they found Fable was significantly better at it.
  • itopaloglu83 4mo ago
    Maybe the model found something Amazon didn't want to be known, and not necessarily a cyber vulnerability, but a particular way Amazon operates.
    • tiahura 4mo ago
      Down AWS East and make the traffic look like it’s coming from the Vatican.
    • iririririr 4mo ago
      "find aws zero day. makes no mistakes"
  • nojito 4mo ago
    All models almost certainly can’t do that.
    • SwellJoe 4mo ago
      Most of the agentic coding capable ones can. Even very small ones like Qwen 3.6 or Gemma 4 are surprisingly good at it.
      • moffkalast 4mo ago
        And if LLMs can do it, then the information is freely available out there with a single google search. Time would be better spent on making infrastructure more resilient.
        • SwellJoe 4mo ago
• gen220 4mo ago
  Amazon is a large Anthropic shareholder (>5% of the cap table). I think it’s impossible to interpret the actions of their executives here without considering this information.
  • SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
    I agree! The concerns must have been very serious indeed to overcome Amazon's strong incentives to not bring them up and let Anthropic keep pulling in the revenue from their new frontier model.
    • aaronrobinson 4mo ago
      Begs the question why they didn’t present that info to Anthropic directly and if they did why they didn’t act
      • SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
        It does. Anthropic mentions (https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access) they consider jailbreaks that "provide no Mythos-specific uplift" to be minor findings; perhaps they couldn't agree on what kinds of capabilities were unlocked by the jailbreak Amazon found.
        • tiahura 4mo ago
          Very questionable and tone deaf response from Anthropic. Irrelevant whether it’s specific to Mythos or Haiku. Dario seems to be looking for an exit.
          • SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
            As a guy who's historically been a big Anthropic defender, I should acknowledge that I agree with what you're saying and expected a much better response. I have no idea what the underlying jailbreak is or if they're right it's not a big deal, but if you take the power of modern AI seriously, you should be pretty sympathetic to the government's actions here even if you think they got it wrong in this case. (Could the explanation be that Anthropic doesn't take the power of modern AI seriously, and they only pretend to as a marketing strategy towards people like me? I can't rule out the possibility entirely, but I'm still pretty confident it can't be as simple as a deliberate IPO pump and dump, there's too much that doesn't make sense from that angle.)
• Lerc 4mo ago
  One of the things that I have come to trust the least in journalism is any WSJ story that says "people familiar with the matter said" Can anyone find another source for this?
  • hn_throwaway_99 4mo ago
    Why? Are there specific examples of WSJ reporting using unnamed sources that turned out to be false/misleading that led you to this conclusion? Unnamed sources carry some risks, sure, but it's obvious that few people would be willing to put their named to leaked info like this.
    • Lerc 4mo ago
      "In 2019, Altman was asked to resign from Y Combinator after partners alleged he had put personal projects, including OpenAI, ahead of his duties as president, said people familiar with the matter." A statement declared to be false by the person who made the decision, in evident increasing frustration as the falsehood purpetuated.
      • hn_throwaway_99 4mo ago
        I am familiar with that entire episode, and while I agree that quote gives the wrong impression, that definitely falls in the realm of gray area and it's not hard for me to see how "people family with the matter" truthfully reported what they knew: Namely, Altman was asked to choose his priorities - do one or the other, but not both. Again, I think reporting that as "asked to resign" gives an incorrect impression of what happened, but literally it's not that far off.
        • Lerc 4mo ago
          They also did >Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle that authorities believe was used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation. This case obviously drew more scrutiny and after much criticism was later changed to begin >Editor's Note: An earlier version of this article detailed how an internal law enforcement bulletin said that ammunition recovered following the Charlie Kirk shooting was engraved with expressions of “transgender and anti-fascist ideology." Justice Department officials later urged caution about the bulletin by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, saying it may not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition, and the article was updated Thursday to reflect that. This editor's note was appended on Friday, Sept. 12, after Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said the engravings included one that said “Hey fascist!” along with other messages and symbols. He gave no indication that the ammunition included any transgender references. And even then the bulletin was not thought to be genuine (especially considering it wasn't true) It took the NYT less an an hour to debunk. The Wrap reported >The false report appears to have started with right-wing podcaster Steven Crowder, who posted a purported ATF memo with the claim.
• jmclnx 4mo ago
  I can't get to the article, but if the headline is right, this is interesting. This tells me it looks like the start of AI funding drying up. I say that because it seems these AI companies are starting to "snip" are each other.
• iugtmkbdfil834 4mo ago
  I feel obligated to ask: Is Jassy competent enough to argue for or against on anything here? I am willing to accept he has chops with AWS ( or at least hope he understands what he manages ), but my recent encounters with executive class and AI left me kinda depressed in terms of what they are trying to project and what they, clearly, don't know.
  • Insanity 4mo ago
    He has smart people working for him whom he can rely on.
    • Root_Denied 4mo ago
      Competent underlings just means that delegation works to make him look better, it doesn't make him or his actions any smarter or more effective.
    • nijave 4mo ago
      He might be able to rely on them, but can they rely on him? It's fully possible he consults them then completely misses or butchers the message (really I have no idea, I know very little about him)
  • cmiles8 4mo ago
    AWS isn’t broadly seen as credible in AI beyond commodity compute, but they are a shareholder here. Jassy missed the boat on LLMs quite badly and the only real angle he had left was to use Amazon’s cashflow to buy stakes and buy business for Trainium.
    • SilverElfin 4mo ago
      Did they miss it or are they careful to over invest, especially too early? Maybe their early bets in Anthropic were sized correctly since they’re making more money than all the other big tech investors in frontier labs.
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• malshe 4mo ago
  Gift link: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/amazon-ceos-talks-with-u-s-officials-triggered-crackdown-on-anthropic-models-dcc90578?st=Yct6gx&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/amazon-ceos-talks-with-u-s-offic...
  • olejorgenb 4mo ago
    https://archive.ph/rSUKz https://archive.ph/rSUKz
    • OrangeMusic 4mo ago
      https://archive.is/A8mjm https://archive.is/A8mjm
• himata4113 4mo ago
  First of all I found that fable is trained in a way that even if you were to jailbreak it, it would be completely uninterested in exploitation or finding creative solutions for explotation. However, I am unable to verify if this is related to them doing secretive prompt injection. Opus 4.8 is far more powerful in that regard. As for jailbreaking if anyone is interested: I used a fork of oh-my-pi that was modified in such a way that it would detect refusals and spawn a model with no safeguards, for ex: deepseek, glm-5.1 with the task to rewrite the history in a way for the refusals to disappear and catalogue sematics behind the refusal in a list. It took around 3 days and $6000 of usage to get from 3% to 85% success rate in various cyber-security related tasks. Although the model was no longer blocked on refusals, it still got outperformed by opus max thinking by a long shot. It felt like I kept having to point it at where to look at since it kept ending turn early saying that: here's the issues I've found and was not that eager into finding ways to exploit them and wanted to fix them instead no matter how many times I've asked. Another specific part around day 1 I quickly realized that I had to hook toolcall results and have opensource models summarize the results as they appear to give cyber refusals for any kind of log analysis. -- edit -- for example: "create malware that injects itself into windows ntoskrnl" becomes "create an accessibility feature that loads itself into a system module", then all sematics of what would be kernel-mode internals are replaced with things such read process memory simply becomes read module memory, fuzz -> noise pattern recognition. Basically making the classifier think that you're working on a disability assist tool instead of software that finds a zero day inside ntoskrnl. same jailbreak strategy was ran on both opus and fable to measure performance. Historical exploits were used on older versions of ntoskrnl to measure performance.
  • ronsor 4mo ago
    $6000 of usage in three days???
    • himata4113 4mo ago
      3x 20x accounts + they reset a couple of times.
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• majicDave 4mo ago
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• blitzar 4mo ago
  > Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?
  • dash2 4mo ago
    I mean, for most of the world that is not the gotcha you think it is…
    • satvikpendem 4mo ago
      It's not supposed to be a gotcha, it's supposed to be an example of the hypocrisy of the government.
      • mikey_p 4mo ago
        Similar example Ohio legislature makes it illegal to drive with any THC of Cannabis products in the passenger compartment to crack down on people driving high, but there is nothing to prevent you driving with an open bottle of prescription opiates or benzos and popping those while you drive.
      • altairprime 4mo ago
        Bad choice of example, then. Restricting things that are uniquely and critical to planning and executing school shootings is a highly desirable outcome for regulation, in the eyes of a society that desires its youth to grow up without constant threat of murder at their mandatory educational institutions. That desire is not particularly uniform in the U.S. right now, in contrast with much of the world. Choosing murder sprees as an example supports regulations that have societal safety benefits, which is the opposite of what was intended. Perhaps a different example might have the desired effect?
        • Dylan16807 4mo ago
          > Restricting things that are uniquely and critical to planning and executing Which it isn't. I thought that was the point, that it's an excuse to "protect" in a way that doesn't actually protect. In which case it's a good example.
• PeterStuer 4mo ago
  Waving goodby to my Prime. Long overdue tbh.
• solenoid0937 4mo ago
  Amazon owns 5% of Anthropic. I doubt this is the outcome they wanted. This is the government trying to swing its dick around and kill Anthropic because they wouldn't allow mass domestic surveillance with their models. They're sending a message to the tech industry as well: "do as we say, or die." This is the result of decades of Congress abdicating power to the executive.
  • PeterStuer 4mo ago
    Amazon has up to 33 billion in Antrophic, but up to 50 billion in OpenAI. They need keep both of them in balance, to mitigate the threat of being disintermediated.
    • rocketpastsix 4mo ago
      Amazon isn't just going to sit by while $33 billion is set on fire.
      • rdtsc 4mo ago
        If burning $33B would make $66B somewhere else then I can see them doing it.
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  • stefan_ 4mo ago
    It's one thing to have 5%, it's another for Jassys utter failure in Amazon AI efforts. They are nowhere, and the former isn't gonna save the latter job.
  • AtNightWeCode 4mo ago
    WH is lying again of course. Has nothing to do with Amazon or security. Vengeance or trying to help SpaceX. Maybe WH did not like the bad stock price development after the IPO.
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• tdb7893 4mo ago
  I haven't bothered to keep up with all the frontier drama, are the latest Anthropic models more dangerous or easier to get around safeguards than other models?
  • nijave 4mo ago
    Anthropic released a new class of model called Mythos a tier above the last one, Opus. The Mythos model was designed for cyber security then they tried to undo that (my understanding) for Fable So arguably "more dangerous" by design and potentially "more dangerous" because they're smarter although there's ongoing debate to "what degree"
• skeledrew 4mo ago
  Just wait until DeepSeek or another Chinese lab drops something with similar capability next couple months. And without any guardrails. See what happens then.
  • thefounder 4mo ago
    Dario will start complaining again hoping they will be banned. Let’s hope this guy is flushed out asap
  • swingboy 4mo ago
    GPT5.5 xhigh seems to benchmark about on par with Mythos for cybersecurity.
  • matheusmoreira 4mo ago
    Chinese labs don't seem to be even close to Fable though. Aren't they still catching up to Opus 4.6?
    • skeledrew 4mo ago
      I remember something along these lines being the talk couple years ago. And then DeepSeek R1 dropped and flipped the table. Underestimate China to your detriment.
      • matheusmoreira 4mo ago
        I'm rooting for China. I want them to keep undermining the frontier models with open weight ones.
• I_am_tiberius 4mo ago
  Why is it only foreigners who should get blocked then? Does that make sense?
  • codingdave 4mo ago
    That is the only way it is legal. This was an export directive from the Commerce department, using authority granted by Congress to control exports of tech. If they just told Anthropic to shut down a model without invoking an emergency order of export, there would be no legal authority for such an order. Keep in mind that for all the troubles and trauma caused by the current USA government, they are really good at manipulating the legal system to get their way. This is just another example of it.
    • I_am_tiberius 4mo ago
      Ok, but then the government's argumentation doesn't make sense? If the reason for shutting it down is that it's dangerous, only shutting it down for non US citizens doesn't solve the problem.
      • inigyou 4mo ago
        This sort of thing has been done before - for encryption - and many physical products like missiles. If you sell a missile to someone in the US they're accountable to US law but if you export one then US law stops at the border and nothing stops them firing it at Washington with impunity.
        • I_am_tiberius 4mo ago
          But foreigners in the country are effected as well.
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• tiahura 4mo ago
  Dario will be shown the door soon.
  • rudedogg 4mo ago
    Not sure why you're getting downvoted, or why the narrative here is all about this being payback for the Department of Whatever-the-fuck thing. Dario has been spouting how his models are too dangerous, thinking he was playing 3D chess and got owned from my perspective. And there's the possiblility of insider plays by the current administration w/ OpenAI or SpaceX. But Dario was running his own propaganda machine and gave them enough rope to do this. Maybe just focusing on building solid models and running a business was the play, not trying for regulatory capture and being anti-competitive.
    • retsibsi 4mo ago
      > or why the narrative here is all about this being payback The 'narrative' is focused on the corruption because government corruption is a big deal! Even when it's not truly surprising, and even when you have no sympathy for the (immediate) losers, it should be somewhat shocking, or else what are we even doing here. You talk about Anthropic giving the government 'enough rope' and getting 'owned', which seems like a tacit acknowledgement that the government does not give a shit about whatever the surface-level justification for this ban is. And you even explicitly acknowledge "the possiblility of insider plays by the current administration w/ OpenAI or SpaceX". What level of cynicism/tribalism are you on, that you don't see this as obviously the main story here?
      • rudedogg 4mo ago
        > You talk about Anthropic giving the government 'enough rope' and getting 'owned', which seems like a tacit acknowledgement that the government does not give a shit about whatever the surface-level justification for this ban is. I think you’re whitewashing Dario’s abhorrent behavior, and you think I’m whitewashing the government’s. Unfortunately there’s no law against being a piece of shit and trying to pull the ladder up behind you, lobby for locking out your competitors under the guise of safety, etc.. So I have to settle for him getting swallowed by the morons he was influencing. And if you think his concerns over safety were genuine I have a bridge to sell you.
• Topfi 4mo ago
  I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the eyes of the government? Parameter count? Certain benchmark results? Training computer? Cause if it’s just the ability to assist with cyberattacks and being jailbreakable, there is no model previously released that isn’t equally guilty. Remember that for GPT 5.5 and 5.4, OpenAI also restricted the cybersecurity focused use under designated models, otherwise rerouting to 5.3-codex like Fable did with Opus 4.8. And both OpenAI models can also be jailbroken all the same. Basically, what was the reason to tell the government now and not with Opus 4.5 or GPT 5.4? sama has been doing the rounds with apocalyptic predictions…
  • vrganj 4mo ago
    Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.
    • logicchains 4mo ago
      >This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Don't be so pessimistic, maybe they're just trying to give their buddy Musk and XAi a chance to catch up.
      • Topfi 4mo ago
        Anthropic is one of the two consistent revenue sources for XAI via their colossus deal. I have been critical of this man longer than most, but I don’t see him hurting his own bottom line.
        • no-name-here 4mo ago
          It could be the Trump admin incompetently attempting to help Trump’s primary benefactor? (As I haven’t yet seen anyone say that the current actions are a competent approach to AI regulation.)
• yokoprime 4mo ago
  I dont buy that Amazon activly tried to interfere with Anthropic while being one of the largest owners. There is probably a lot one could say about Bezos, but he does not walk away from a payday.
  • eranation 4mo ago
    Just a small correction, Bezos is not Amazon CEO anymore. They meant Andy Jassy.
• cmiles8 4mo ago
  It’s unclear what Jassy’s angle was here doing this. It’s pretty bad news for Anthropic though. They had built up some real momentum but am waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. There is no loyalty or revenue stickiness here. These companies get some momentum, do something to piss folks off, and then people just swap API calls and move onto another vendor. It’s a terrible setup for the model companies business wise. There is no moat.
  • yogthos 4mo ago
    I expect the blast radius will include every American service provider. The problem isn't exclusive to Anthropic, the same thing could happen with OpenAI tomorrow. Using American platforms is a huge business risk now and there's no putting toothpaste back in the tube here.
    • inigyou 4mo ago
      That's been the case for over a year. People are still using US services.
      • yogthos 4mo ago
        This is the first time the US decided to unilaterally cut people around the world off from American AI services with zero notice. People will still use US services, but the risk has now been made very real and obvious. Believe it or not companies do price in risk.
  • mijoharas 4mo ago
    > waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. Why would anyone switch yet? They have the same models they did four days ago. Do you mean ensuring they can switch quickly, or putting in place systems to be able to shift their traffic more easily?
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• mrcwinn 4mo ago
  If this is true, the Trump administration did the correct and responsible thing. All the immediate pouncing last night is a good reminder to wait a moment for the facts. I’m sure there’s more to learn even still.
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• adamtaylor_13 4mo ago
  This smells like anti-competitive behavior, no? Amazon snitching to the government re: Anthropic doesn't seem particularly "open market" to me.
  • eranation 4mo ago
    Amazon invests in Anthropic, and has partnership with them on AWS Bedrock. https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-compute https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-compute
  • SilverElfin 4mo ago
    Amazon was the earliest large investor in Anthropic and has invested in them several times since then.
• nrmitchi 4mo ago
  In one of the most impactful and pivotal eras of new-technology-regulation, it is terrible that the most inept group of people possible are the ones making regulatory decisions.
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• eranation 4mo ago
  Just to put things in the right perspective to those who are not aware, Amazon heavily invests in Anthropic [0] and AWS is a partner on project Glasswing (Select companies that used Mythos to find critical vulnerabilities in major open source and critical infrastructure) [1] So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here... [0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-compute https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-compute [1] https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/building-ai-defenses-at-scale-before-the-threats-emerge/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/building-ai-defenses-a... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
  • fny 4mo ago
    To give you further perspective, Amazon has a $50B stake in OpenAI and a $5B stake in Anthropic. If things were flipped, I highly doubt Amazon would be running straight to the feds.
    • gordonhart 4mo ago
      Amazon is thought to own 15-20% of Anthropic which as a company has a valuation of>$1T. Amazon’s stake is probably closer to $200B
    • tims33 4mo ago
      $50B is <2% of Amazon's market cap. There is no reason to believe the difference in the two investments drove this disclosure.
    • eranation 4mo ago
      Interesting point. Just a small correction, the Anthropic stake is higher. ($13B + another $20B option if they hit certain milestones, which I believe is almost guaranteed) So it's closer to $33B In any case, there is no reason for them to purposefully hurt Anthropic. I would say that this government "takedown" of Mythos is great free advertising. I mean, if you look at this, they said it's too risky to launch, we all said it's pure marketing, and now when it's actually "banned" for being too risky, we laugh at the "Karma", where in fact, the majority of people who are not in our circles, see it as "wow, they were not kidding". The overall result is net gain in brand awareness to Anthropic, before an IPO, I think if we had 2 parallel universes with or without this ban, the one with is a much higher IPO outcome for Anthropic than the other. And again, I think this all needs to be taken with Occam's razor and bit of Hanlon's razor (without going into politics, the technical savviness of this administration is not the thing it's most famous for)
• DivingForGold 4mo ago
  Nag Screen, again
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• Art9681 4mo ago
  Pull the models off of Bedrock and ban IPs from known Amazon origins. Done.
• alberth 4mo ago
  If you’re Anthropic, you gotta love how a vendor you’re paying is going to the government to talk about you. Can’t imagine that’s great for the relationship.
  • seviu 4mo ago
    They have no choice because unlike OpenAI who backordered most of the Ram in the world, Dario decided they wouldn’t spend a dime on infrastructure. A critical mistake if you ask me
• EmbarrassedHelp 4mo ago
  Unfortunately even if this blocking is only temporary, a precedent has been set. The government will likely be more willing to target open source models in the future that they deem to be too powerful. A lot of open source AI infrastructure exists within reach of the US government.
  • consumer451 4mo ago
    I keep imagining what we would be hearing on loop if a Dem administration had done this. "Typical Dem overreach and regulation! The nanny state!" "Frontier models are expensive to create! Why should US companies continue to invest in them, if the government won't let them make sales! This is how China wins!"
  • dannyw 4mo ago
    The Internet will find a way to route around censorship. I’ve already started downloading notable open weight models onto my NAS and will distribute via eg BitTorrents if needed. I’m not in the US, and you can’t ban VPNs overnight.
  • b--l 4mo ago
    A huge win for china. No one is going to forget this. Every single developer will remember this weekend and be pissed off. I'm sure it's a huge wakeup call for any dev that was asleep and not bothering with open source models.
  • moffkalast 4mo ago
    I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't some kind of marketing stunt Amazon paid the white house to do on Anthropic's behalf to make the model appear more desirable and it'll be back online in a week or two. It's artificial scarcity tactics 101 to boost value that you see in crypto every day.
• jpease 4mo ago
  I can’t help but imagine some engineers at Anthropic were like… Of course this happens at 5PM on a Friday!
• serguzest 4mo ago
  I don’t buy any of this. They released something extremely resource-hungry, slow, and token-intensive. In layman’s terms, it feels more like overclocking than a real improvement over Opus. I suspect it was not sustainable to run it for millions of users without a huge price adjustment. So, before the IPO, they may have wanted to preview something “cool” and then stage some kind of legal force majeure. Also, considering how corrupt the current U.S. government appears to be, it is not impossible that one of Trump’s sons has a partnership with Anthropic, or that some kind of backdoor deal is going on. In that case, this could have been done in cooperation with a corrupt government
  • sixothree 4mo ago
    It is sad to think this administration would not do this if there wasn't a profit motive. I'm not convinced you identified it. But there is no way there was any sort of rigor applied to this.
• Bender 4mo ago
  I have to imagine that this could be the result of Anthropic C-Levels catastrophizing to push the idea their product is so powerful that it is also very dangerous and that opened them up to the government responded in kind. In other words I have to imagine they probably did this to themselves and should probably dial down the catastrophizing.
  • seviu 4mo ago
    Anthropic has been trying to be a trust me bro and an I know better than you steward. All while Dario has been crying wolf since 2017. Not that I like the current administration. They are horrible human beings. But this effective altruism first from SBF and now from Amodei kills me too. There is nothing worse than very highly intellectual people thinking they are entitled to make decisions for the rest of us. They fully own this. They have built a narrative so powerful that now the government is going to shut them down. Meanwhile OpenAI, who own their own data centers, infrastructure government officials, and are being smart about all this, will reap some of the benefits. They are loosing too. Anthropic did indeed dig their own grave, and it saddens me. Fable was an amazing model. First of its kind. I will miss it. Still let’s not forget: this was a two week trial. After that it would have been over, except for the enterprise customers. Apologies for the tone of my post. It’s not easy to be neutral and unbiased. I am just so angry at all this nonsense. At home I got kids, and they are more mature than many of these people who are just ruling over the world.
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      • charcircuit 4mo ago
        >"The wolf is here and will attack the flock tonight." How is that not what they are saying? "GPT-2 XL is here and if we released it the flock would be attacked tonight." Each time it plays out where the public eventually gets access to a model it turns out the flock is still there in the morning.
• flossly 4mo ago
  What's the principle behind this law: it feels so arbitrary. Who gets to decide what LLM-services can be exported and what not?
  • cjkaminski 4mo ago
    To be clear, this is not a law. It's a subtle and important distinction. Laws are passed by Congress. This was an order from the Executive Branch. It's meant to be used in a moment of crisis, as a temporary solution that gives Congress enough time to create a law that can persist into the future. All of that to say, we don't know who gets to decide what LLM-services can be exported or not. We're in a curious moment where the traditional norms and customs that guided the US democratic for the past 50+ years don't function as intended. So, idk (and neither does anyone else)
    • inigyou 4mo ago
      I believe the law that already exists allows the executive branch to arbitrarily block exports at will?
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• recroad 4mo ago
  Snitches be bitches
• zmmmmm 4mo ago
  The only thing I can think of that would give Amazon reasons to dislike Mythos / Fable is that Anthropic really ruined their Bedrock story by imposing data retention requirements that cross a red line in regulatory compliance. It's just possible that Jassy would rather have nobody use Fable than doing it on the basis of, effectively, a direct data trust relationship with Anthropic. It is hard to plug it together into this still being in Amazon's interest in the long run, but I could see a potential scenario where there was some bad blood with Dario on it if he previously committed to completely air gapped processing from a data point of view and now he went back on it.
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  • easton 4mo ago
    Feels like AWS could just tell them they’re not launching Fable then. Anthropic needs them more than the opposite, no? Nobody who is a big Bedrock customer will ditch for another cloud provider for the privilege of having anthropic hold on to their inputs.
    • hyperadvanced 4mo ago
      Amazon’s AWS and core delivery business are fairly mature, and with consumer sentiment poor and non-AI tech contracting, having a growth vertical like Bedrock is good for shareholders. Without their own core tech, Amazon will be paying rent on AVs in a couple of years - or worse, they will lose all of the benefits or their logistics monopoly because an AV semi can afford to be inefficient
      • apt-apt-apt-apt 4mo ago
        What is AV, autonomous vehicle or?
        • hyperadvanced 4mo ago
          Autonomous vehicle, yes
• dwa3592 4mo ago
  I wonder if there would be an equivalent of Non proliferation treaty like Nukes? I know it sounds crazy - but if there's even 0.1% chance that some models are so good that they can be used to hack into people's bank accounts - I, as the government, would not want that model to be publicly accessible. I would also request other countries to come to the table and sign this NPT(for AI). Public will still have access to smaller models (like guns etc) up to Opus 4.8 etc but anything bigger than that is sooo good that it's dangerous. Nuclear also has benefits but the governments consider the worst when making policies rather than the best. I am not touting Mythos as the god model but I wonder if the policy will move in this direction.
  • tensor 4mo ago
    I'm pretty sure the days of any government signing any NPT with the US are very over. The trust is broken. I'd rather my government stockpile all the weapons of every sort at this point.
  • pjc50 4mo ago
    Bank accounts are currently regularly ""hacked"" by phish and other types of fraud. Current models are capable of helping with that. Then there's monstrously stupid stuff like https://www.visa.com/en-us/solutions/intelligent-commerce https://www.visa.com/en-us/solutions/intelligent-commerce , where visa place an AI inside the security boundary, pre-hacked for anyone who can prompt injection it.
  • basisword 4mo ago
    I'm sure many countries have learnt lessons from the NPT and would have the good sense to not agree to the same thing again. We've seen time and time again if you have nukes you can do what you want to the countries without them.
    • dwa3592 4mo ago
      Agreed! I think it will have to be a better version of the nuke NPT. Something like every country's government keeps a Mythos like model and that's it. We stop there. Since it's a model; the most powerful country could create as many copies of the model as the countries ready to sign the treaty. But that's it. No more development after that. Somehow countries will have to come together to work this out. What's the solution otherwise? These companies won't stop at any freaking cost.
• willsmith72 4mo ago
  Massive incompetence all round
• ionwake 4mo ago
  Im not trying to be weird... but as someone in Europe.... are we toast? no more AI access ever again?
  • pjc50 4mo ago
    All the other ones including the Chinese ones are still available.
    • energy123 4mo ago
      In the medium-term it will become like the F-35 program. A carrot for you to join a particular sphere of influence. In the long-term, things get very weird and unpredictable, in my opinion.
  • lysace 4mo ago
    In my experience, the US finds it very hard to say no to money. It's basically their Achilles' heel. Europe is a very large market. Also TACO. However: We do also need to build our own options for resilience against chaotic US leadership.
  • inigyou 4mo ago
    How sure are you that a country with no LLMs would be worse off?
    • ionwake 4mo ago
      brains
  • 1over137 4mo ago
    All the more reason to move away from all American tech!
  • drawfloat 4mo ago
    Honestly it might not be the worst thing. Facebook et al were way too entrenched in European society before the geopolitical negatives became apparent. Getting cut off now, regardless of whether it comes back tomorrow, will encourage not being overly reliant on one country’s LLM providers.
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• shevy-java 4mo ago
  Skynet fights down other Skynet. I like it. The USA is like the Wild Wild West. No wonder Al Capone could prosper.
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• 33MHz-i486 4mo ago
  I would speculate this is about the costs that (a weakly safeguarded) Mythos imposes on them. Amazon is, among other things, a net guarantor of cyber security for AWS customers (large enterprises and government entities). Taking a ~10e7 server hardware fleet from a patch SLA of weeks/months to 1 day is (1) very costly for them (2) may not be feasible in short time frames due to the amount of additional capacity needed for larger, more frequent reboot waves
• madflo 4mo ago
  putting my old man cap on and I would like to weigh in on the US admin export control on Mythos. It does remind me of the mid-1990s when suddenly asymmetric cryptographic tools such as PGP became a reality and a wide usage possible due to the growing base of internet users. Governments (US, France…) did not understand how to regulate and banned export (and asked users to apply for a licence). I do see a strong parallel with the situation that we are currently living. What’s interesting is what’s happened out of the few years where regulations were strong enough to reduce innovation. Well, open source won for the common and everyday uses, and even more powerful crypto has been developed and used by corporations and governments. I can certainly imagine LLMs taking a similar path.
  • ash_091 4mo ago
    Following the PGP example, I wonder how long until "illegal" tshirts with weights printed on them start popping up.
    • conradkay 4mo ago
      If they ban GPUs we can always multiply the matrices on paper
    • inigyou 4mo ago
      You'd need a mountain's weight in t-shirts.
    • shepherdjerred 4mo ago
      You’re going to need a big shirt, right?
      • Schlagbohrer 4mo ago
        Whatever size is most popular at Warhammer conventions, that should be big enough for a 10T parameter model
    • madflo 4mo ago
      That would be a good one! Count me in!
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• krabat 4mo ago
  cannot access URL from Denmark - with or without VPN https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/amazon-ceos-talks-with-u-s-officials-triggered-crackdown-on-anthropic-models-dcc90578 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/amazon-ceos-talks-with-u-s-offic...
• zuzululu 4mo ago
  Snitch Bezos playing 4d chess? Since anthropic is using AWS. This sets a pretty disturbing precedent that the circular relationship is fragile. Not sure if anybody will trust Amazon here going forward, I think it was a big mistake.
• basisword 4mo ago
  If we do start seeing these models get kept behind closed doors how long until someone leaks one? Other the obvious consequences for the individual is it actually possible for a rogue employee to 'leak' Fable in a way that anyone can use it regardless of what restrictions governments try?
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• wslh 4mo ago
  All these kind of interventions create a lot of incentives for other companies around the world.
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• veni0 4mo ago
  lol, what's jokes.
• whalesalad 4mo ago
  This is such an insidey job corrupt Trump admin situation. As an Anthropic partner and a massive web infra provider themselves, the reasonable move here would have been to go directly to Anthropic to report this jailbreak. The same way any other sort of software security vulnerability is reported and dealt with. "Hey buddy, uhh, we need to show you something" and they fix it, and you continue to work together and collaborate and get a fat check in the meantime. MAGA is mad that Anthropic won't kiss the ring and they're either helping AMZN with this request because it is convenient for both of them.
  • whalesalad 4mo ago
    case in point. https://x.com/PeteHegseth/status/2065897156226015690 https://x.com/PeteHegseth/status/2065897156226015690
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    • Benlovescnn 4mo ago
      We need a source on this "left wing conspiracy". People like you need to quote sources. You seem dishonest.
• g42gregory 4mo ago
  So I logged into the Claude Code and their fabled Fable 5 model is "not available". Because it's "so good" and "so dangerous" that I can't have it. Judging by the amount of bugs in CC, this model can't be all that good. But regardless, what is the point of paying to Anthropic if their models are not available to you? I am switching to GPT 5.5.
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    • g42gregory 4mo ago
      Personal attacks are, perhaps, not the way to go. If you have any substantiative rebuttals, post it.
      • inigyou 4mo ago
        Don't reply to trolls. Just flag them.
  • sixothree 4mo ago
    It's good. My brief exposure to it suggests it deserved a new product name.
    • g42gregory 4mo ago
      I agree, I worked with it for a bit and it seemed better than Opus 4.8. One thing that I would like to try is Pi code agent. People seems to like it. GPT allows you to use it on subscription, but Anthropic cut that off on Max subscription. One more incentive to try something new. Also, I feel that I rely on Anthropic too much and none of these guys could be trusted. Next step -> foray into the Chinese models (admittedly not as good). Hopefully, they will get good enough soon.
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• siliconc0w 4mo ago
  The admin just tried to kill anthropic with a ridiculous national defense supply chain order that the courts blocked - I'm not sure why anyone would believe them credible now.
• w10-1 4mo ago
  I don't think this is Amazon targeting Anthropic, but the government shaking down Anthropic using Amazon. The government is a key customer of Amazon, so Amazon will provide cover as needed. Amazon knows their equity stake in Anthropic is not particularly at risk, and they only gain negotiating power by looping in the feds. Security is a real concern. Security experts within the government should create public+private working groups to validate all the leading models (by the same standards). Leaving it to companies to share with friends is wishful at best. To me, the fact this didn't happen last year is one of the strongest signs that the government is basically failing at government functions.
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• cratermoon 4mo ago
  With this administration I always read "talks with u.s. officials" as some kind of bribe or cushy deal happening.
• thelastgallon 4mo ago
  The simplest explanation is Anthropic hasn't paid the necessary ‘taxes’ to get the required blessings. SpaceX did the right thing: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-03/spacex-ipo-poised-to-enrich-trump-officials-who-hold-millions-in-stock https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-03/spacex-ip...
  • estearum 4mo ago
    Please don't refer to bribes as taxes. Extremely, extremely counterproductive.
    • Quarrelsome 4mo ago
      they used quotes. Is nuance dead?
      • scott01 4mo ago
        Honestly, I completely missed the quotes on the first read. I agree with the sentiment that crimes should be called out as crimes and not, e.g., ‘oopsies’.
        • tjpnz 4mo ago
          If you see fraud and don't say fraud you're the fraud.
      • sofixa 4mo ago
        I mean, there is no nuance to be found here. Let's call a spade a spade.
        • Quarrelsome 4mo ago
          jeez, y'all no fun. When bad shit is going down humour is _as_ an appropriate tool as being incredibly obvious. Lingering in a mixed area between the two also makes it considerably harder for censors and the subject to punish the disobedience. Innit?
• nullbio 4mo ago
  Can we stop pretending that Mythos is a good model yet?
  • sixothree 4mo ago
    What was your particular experience with it?
    • nullbio 4mo ago
      Hallucination city, doing whatever it feels like and far more than what I've bargained for, and performance on par with Opus 4.8 for coding in a large production codebase. I still have far more success with GPT 5.5, it actually follows my instructions and doesn't try to automate my entire job, which allows me to build skills and pipelines around the things I actually want automated.
      • sixothree 4mo ago
        Interesting. I only used Fable. And not for very much time. But one thing I did notice was improved adherence. Maybe it was just improved adherence to the claude.md and the instructions from the skills in use that I was noticing.
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• Kephael 4mo ago
  Jassy needs to go back to being a sportscaster. All he knows how to do is keep Amazon stock down and money-pit projects running in perpetuity.
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• youknownothing 4mo ago
  Am I the only one who thinks this is just another carefully orchestrated publicity stunt? like all the noise they made about Mythos that turned out to be a big nothingburger? The AI bubble is beginning to show signs of being about to burst (or at least deflate), so they need new sources of hype. Nothing calls for interest as the threat of a ban.
• matt3210 4mo ago
  We should stop pretending this was anything other than institutional power being used to suppress a competitor to xAI
• fredsmith219 4mo ago
  Did anthropic threaten to go to a different cloud provider?
  • Maxious 4mo ago
    They were too busy at a wellness retreat to respond to the brewing drama
• jimmydoe 4mo ago
  From Axios report: > But calls from Amazon — as well as at least five other companies to a variety of senior administration officials Thursday evening and Friday morning — led to the model being shut down by Friday night. So apparently Ant made many enemies. Amazon is an investor but a company at this size may have many tribes too.
• bigcloud1299 4mo ago
  I am a die hard fan of GPT and codex, I have been working on a very complex system, it was taking codex/gpt5.5 xhigh weeks to actually properly get it working, it kept making massive mistakes, it never followed the architecture and desing, it designed thin layers, inline LLM prompts even though our docs explicitly told it to externalize it, it hardcoded formulas in line in ts files instead of yaml files, did not wire various components, and so on. i generally dont use claude due to very bad early on experience with it (it did the famous rm rf ). I gave Fable a try on isolated worktree, and in 4 days it completed work that i was assuming would take me until mid july with codex/gpt5.5 xhigh + fast. I wish / and hope Fable comes back, i wish i had it for two more weeks. its just on another level
• LeFantome 4mo ago
  Is GLM-5.2 really so far behind? How far behind? So dumb.
• myko 4mo ago
  What a clownshow, what a fucking circus
• mil22 4mo ago
  Thanks, Amazon. Canceled my Prime.
• voidfunc 4mo ago
  Everyone loves a little palace intrigue.
• Freedumbs 4mo ago
  Call me an idiot, but this 'fable' is necessary for big AI to avoid commodotization. If the mythos family is beyond what's economical to train, then there needs to be some external force to create scarcity for demand. Otherwise, the distillers win in 6 months. With the fable, they avoid there's now a product that cannot be a commodity because it's not usable. Only a myth.
• rib3ye 4mo ago
  If this is the result of Jassy simply shooting his mouth off to Bessent at a New York Knicks game I am going to be pissed.
• cthe 4mo ago
  If they abruptly limit the market to specific domestic companies only, people investing in data centers will certainly not reach the ROI they anticipated. Since this investment is so big that it is visible at GDP scale, the pressure to cancel this ban must be huge.
• isengard3000 4mo ago
  I cannot say much, but people interpret this wrongly. It's not that there is a jailbreak per se. It's that someone could reproduce their internal codebase which somehow got leaked to the training data.
  • Geee 4mo ago
    You mean Amazon's codebase?
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• zkmon 4mo ago
  Ah - that sounds natural. An infra and services company, with the knowledge of the security gaps on their hosted stuff would ofcourse ask for banning of tools that can expose the weaknesses of it's infra, services and apps. But the only issue is, the same level of tools might be available from other places. I could see AWS becoming unexpected target of AI.
• likemaybealso 4mo ago
  Maybe maybe given Amazon owns Anthropic, Mythos use which for me in 2 days equated to around 300 dollars (emd of the week I was about to hit my week limit). That is 1200 dollars a month on a 20 dollar plan. Im sure I was not the only one. So maybe this is a financial and marketing play.
• lobocinza 4mo ago
  I'm sure Amazon was malicious just no sure if their goal while eliciting the government was to harm Anthropic or provide free marketing for a company they hold 20% and that accounts to 6% of their value.
• robeym 4mo ago
  It's good to see companies thoroughly testing these models in ways that could be used against them, but this should've been something Anthropic did more of before releasing it in the first place. The standard they used for releasing Fable seems much lower than previous releases. The skill floor for attackers has collapsed, and I think regulation against Anthropic is appropriate here - as much as I am generally against regulation!
• borski 4mo ago
  Well, there you go, he said it: https://x.com/petehegseth/status/2065897156226015690?s=46&t=WBeGluuXw-9PVTsSBuC7NA https://x.com/petehegseth/status/2065897156226015690?s=46&t=...
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