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Meta workers can opt out of being tracked at work up to 30 min
- fnordsensei 5mo agoRight. Meta’s biggest culture problem is definitely “not enough masculine energy”.
- crakhamster01 5mo ago[dead]
- baby_souffle 5mo ago30 whole minutes?! How generous.
- aquir 5mo agoI mean I would want to do this when I do confidential stuff like HR and Payroll. I would be interested above what level are employees are exempt from this. I don't think Meta wants to train their AI on their own C-Level execs but who knows...it's Meta
- qingcharles 5mo agoWe already have a solution to this, though. It's called criminal law. Where do you draw the line if you monitor people doing HR?
- polyterative 5mo agoSick company environment.
- epsteingpt 5mo agoBut the opt outs will, of course, be tracked. Choose to do it and it will go on your performance review.
- cucumber3732842 5mo agoIf they give you shit for being opted out every day around lunchtime they would just find something else to give you shit about anyway.
- p0w3n3d 5mo agoOpt outs lower your KPI by a fixed value
- moffkalast 5mo agoI would bet that the 30 minute windows are tracked even more closely, just secretly.
- yabones 5mo agoThe people who created this policy are almost certainly exempt from it.
- igleria 5mo agoSurely they can't be serious?
- dude250711 5mo agoIt's part of meta-mating, we would not understand.
- afavour 5mo agoAnd who knows who gets to see the tick against your name as "opted out". I get that the money is good but holy hell I don't understand why anyone still works at Meta.
- new_account_104 5mo agoMeta: Just as incompetent as Microsoft, but somehow more evil!
- netsharc 5mo agoThey should just create a leaderboard of how many minutes opted out this week/month... Although... If an employee is pretty low on this leaderboard, that means s/he'll freely feel s/he can opt out a bit more. The overlords wouldn't want that!
- steve-atx-7600 5mo agoThese meta articles make me think of how any tech company - even small startups - can so easily paint a picture of an individual or team performance with a frontier LLM. I use codex myself to remind me what I did over the last 6 months (look over JIRA, GitHub and my own notes) since I have to write a self evaluation. It always comes down to company culture to determine how this info will be used. Meta never struck me as a place I’d like to spend a lot of my life for culture reasons.
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- majorbugger 5mo agoThe corporate overlords are becoming too benevolent these days! Why not monitor employees' thoughts in real time?
- outside1234 5mo agoI suggest they opt out of the whole 24 hours
- scandox 5mo agoO'Brien turning off the Telescreen. "You can..." "Yes...we are allowed that privilege"
- skywal_l 5mo ago"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever"
- TheOtherHobbes 5mo agoboot/server
- everdrive 5mo agoI don't work for Meta, but how many more years do I need to work in tech? I'm in my 40s and my kids are young. I've already set up 529s for them, and am paying for some expensive home upgrades. Maybe when that is finished and I've built up a buffer I can switch industries for the last 5-10 years of my working life. Curious if anyone here has any similar plans.
- jryan49 5mo agoI've been thinking about it a lot. I've been looking into becoming an electrician for maybe like 6 years before I retire.
- rwmj 5mo agoI know someone who was a DBA and became an electrician and now retired after about 10 years doing that. By all accounts he loved it, spent his days doing odd jobs for old people while chatting with them over many cups of tea. However (here in the UK) you do have to obtain and keep up with certification.
- bluefirebrand 5mo agoI'm pretty much there right now too. I'm not quite 40, but I want out Not sure what to do next, I know it probably won't pay as well, but damn I want out Im thinking about getting certifications to become a drone pilot. Try and get on with a GIS firm to do aerial surveys for farm land or mining companies or something
- inoffensivename 5mo agoIn my early 40s here, FAANG for 20 years, definitely don't see myself working in tech for much longer.
- fullshark 5mo agoMy single minded focus is getting my finances in order so I don't need to work in this industry (financial independence) past 50. It's just getting worse and worse in terms of the open contempt for employees from the top down with no end in sight. Once you reach 50 it's just luck of the draw whether or not you are in the annual culling of the senior folks. There's no excuse anymore for being ignorant of how this industry works, the mask has been off for years.
- jordemort 5mo agoThis is great, I hope the people at Meta suffer as much as possible while working for them. They should introduce mandatory eyeball sanders next.
- qingcharles 5mo agoI was thinking of those eyelid holders from Clockwork Orange. That way you won't waste time blinking.
- crispyambulance 5mo agoIt's always been hard to know the extent of how draconian tracking actually is (IT pros tend to not talk about it much). In the US, there's the expectation that when you use an employer-provided device that any and all activity on it can be fully monitored/recorded and used against the employee for any reason. In practice, however, few people worry about reasonable amounts web-surfing, being on hacker-news or doing life-activities on their work machines. Oh, here I am on hacker-news when I should be working. With AI, this changes significantly since the man can now employ a robot to categorize and finely scrutinize every little thing with the pretext of "training" (to take your job). We will soon have to brace ourselves for an absolute draconian level of tracking.
- tamimio 5mo ago> employer-provided device that any and all activity on it can be fully monitored/recorded And the location, yes, your physical location as well
- kelseydh 5mo agoWork will even flag you for you using a VPN on your phone, e.g. if you check the company Slack.
- p0w3n3d 5mo agoDoesn't visiting hacker news count as personal growth? Or am I supposed to grow professionally outside the work?
- chaosharmonic 5mo agoMost of my knowledge of new tools comes from newsletters, forums, and content creators. I find things through passive media consumption (and, where I can get it, discourse with other enthusiasts) more often than I find them in the course of trying to solve specific problems. But not all managers think that your learning sources are valid, and care more that you spend time on their learning paths. Even if it's your off time. (Yes, there is a story attached to this haha... and more importantly, several different writeups[1][2][3] on how random internet wanderings have been more beneficial to my overall technological capability than people who insist on the importance of a CS background when building dashboards and client UIs. In practice, thanks to a dev box with insufficient RAM, and your typical tabbed-browsing problem, I used `pkill` over `ssh` -- something I picked up from toying with Over the Wire levels in my off time -- a lot more often than I used linked lists at that job.) [1] bhmt.dev/blog/scraping [2] bhmt.dev/blog/ctf [3] bhmt.dev/blog/feeds
- LucidLynx 5mo agoI have a serious question to anyone working at Meta and reading this: HOW can you still work at this company!? Why don't you quit this very toxic company, and start working at another place or even on your own? I genuinely don't understand... Let just Meta die!
- georgeburdell 5mo agoMaybe you should be asking that question on 1.3 acres and not here
- SoftTalker 5mo ago$$$,$$$
- baggachipz 5mo agomore like $,$$$,$$$.$$
- JKCalhoun 5mo agoAll the more reason to head out. A few years on a salary like that and you may find that you can live fairly comfortably for a long time… in a place where the cost of living and housing are inexpensive. I have an aunt who is quite old, who has been living for decades in a trailer in Eloy, Arizona. I suspect few people reading this will think that's any kind of an "escape plan", but I have been jealous of her seemingly contented and relaxed retirement for a long time now. Perhaps you have to weigh it against, "working in the industry you hate for an other decade or two." Could you enjoy yourself in your retirement in your trailer? Is there something more you need to enjoy your retirement?
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- siren2026 5mo agoMost people at Meta (or other FAANGs) are caught up in the game. I have witnessed this first hand in the bay area. They forgot what the end-goal is. They are just on the hamster wheel waiting for the next vest or next promo so they can brag they were made "staff" or "director". Every other discussion was about artificial levels and other corporate BS that those companies put in front of you to keep you grinding. Meanwhile when you ask why not retire now that they saved 10M$. Most of them have no idea what they would spend their time doing. Their biggest achievement and satisfaction is to play that artificial money game. The mean became the end. Very sad.
- jryan49 5mo agoCould anything be more ironic, the employees that work to track every person in the world are now being tracked themselves :)
- iwontberude 5mo agoJust like all those drones we use on our adversaries. The next American civil war will definitely be fought with drones.
- foobar_______ 5mo agoPainful levels of irony. These people sit at their computer all day scheming and coding ways to grab any new bits of data they can with the intent of capturing everything they can about the user's friends, location, wealth, hobbies, etc. to push more targeted ads.
- jjulius 5mo agoI'm trying to have sympathy for those who work there and are opposed to this, but the irony is so thick that it's a struggle.
- I_am_tiberius 5mo agoI don't think they deserve your sympathy. I don't think there is an employee there that couldn't find another great job somewhere else.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5mo agoI'm interested what they're doing now that they weren't already doing before that has any value. These companies track a lot of what you do already - a decent percentage of which makes sense from a security perspective. I'm curious what could possibly be valuable that they weren't already tracking. Like... How are individual keystrokes and mouse movements more valuable than all the work you already do which is largely tracked at the right amount of value already??? I wonder how much of this is just them actively trying to get even more people to quit, with somehow zero concern for losing their actual talent in the process... All of MAG-7 is so desperate to shift R&D spending from salaries to CapEx for AI data centers, they'd literally watch ~90% of their talent go that provides ~99% of their actual valuable work in the process. And it's not because they're idiots that are completely oblivious to what's actually happening on the ground... It's their smug confidence that they can get away with anything and use their market positioning to force everyone to deal with their bad decisions no matter how disastrous they end up being... If our models end up sucking, so what, we'll just lobby congress to make open weight models illegal... If people don't like our pricing, oh well, we'll just lobby congress to force the government to pay for our products... If China or Europe does it better, oh well, we'll just lobby congress to label it national security and outlaw competition... Etc...
- new_account_104 5mo agoSimilar to the LLM hype, the point of this program is to demonstrate labor's fealty to capital. The message is: Fuck you if you're a software developer. Your skills are irrelevant. You should be grateful that we haven't made conditions even worse.
- lionkor 5mo agoBroken record here to announce that there are countries that have labor laws that protect employees, which you can take an example from or move to.
- 1121redblackgo 5mo agobest I can do is incoherent muttering about illegals and blaming all problems on them.
- lionkor 5mo agoor voting for the evil person as protest against the lack of options, also super effective
- rootusrootus 5mo agoOr just other companies. Not every company does this insane level of tracking. People at Meta put up with it for the salary. There are lots of insane things people pursuing FAANG comp seem okay with enduring. There are plenty of much more relaxed environments where you may only earn a couple hundred grand a year, which of course is just awful (/s).
- ProofHouse 5mo agoWorking as a dev at Meta has become like working a call center. Zuck lost the plot.
- new_account_104 5mo agoWhy would they care about software developers when they're busy replacing them with AGI?
- alexfoo 5mo agoDave Eggers' novel _The Circle_ (2013) is looking more and more prophetic every day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circle_(Eggers_novel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circle_(Eggers_novel)
- xnorswap 5mo agoI hate it when companies use this kind of trick to get around legislation or privacy concerns. "Employees are able to turn off tracking". Sure, but there is a power imbalance, and employees will come to understand ( although never stated in any handbook ) that the rate at which they disable it will be taken into account in performance reviews. Just like "unlimited PTO" is not a benefit, because employees self-regulate their use down to less than they'd get if they negotiated a fixed amount. It's a twisted legal trick to get out of an obligation.
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- xnorswap 5mo agoOften this kind of thing is put in as a relief valve to stop people demanding legislation. They can push back by pointing to this kind of measure, despite knowing in practice that employees aren't really free to use it.
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- drstewart 5mo agoAh, hyperbole. You must be from Reddit. Since Meta workers are slaves, no one can blame them for their work or employer though, as you no doubt agree.
- new_account_104 5mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
- rvz 5mo agoAfter beta-testing widespread privacy invasive software on billions of their users, the employees now complain about the same technology being used against them. That's just too bad and Meta does not care. If these employees don't like it, just leave Meta. (They won't).
- josefritzishere 5mo agooooh 30 whole minutes. This is so repulsive.
- root-parent 5mo agoThe world smallest violin will be rendered in React... Why do these employees get this generous toggle, when we got zero minutes and a shadow profile?
- righthand 5mo agoClient side react with three state changes that makes the violin janky.
- zeroonetwothree 5mo agoPretty sure Meta isn’t screen recording your laptop 24/7
- jojobas 5mo agoIt's buying the recordings from consented third parties.
- greenavocado 5mo agoIf you are wondering why they are doing things like this at FAANG, its because of this: YouTube /watch?v=YTuM-GS8Qak
- kennywinker 5mo agoBecause someone made a video glamorizing their life working at microsoft? I don’t get the issue here - she’s basically doing free promotion for the hiring department
- greenavocado 5mo ago70% of their day is journaling, meditating, and eating.
- kennywinker 5mo agoI can see how you might think that, because they didn’t film the bits where they were working.
- greenavocado 5mo agoFair
- TrackerFF 5mo agoI used to work for a oil company, and 15 years ago they were discussing this idea of installing sensors on desk which they wanted to use for practical reasons: Instead of having to walk across the building to see someone, you could simply check on some internal website if they were at their desk. No wasted trip! But that idea was shot down real fast by the unions, who informed the employer that it with great likelihood also would clash with data protection laws, and GDPR (this was not in the US). So it was quickly abandoned. Among workers that was one of the most dystopian ideas we had heard of.
- chinathrow 5mo agoIf you don't walk out after such rules, then what would you make to do so?
- dgrin91 5mo agoI have a friend that worked in NYC in part of the DOE (not a teacher, but something adjacent). Its a union position, so during COVID when everyone was getting remote, her profession got remote too. 53 minutes per week. 53 minutes. Not even a full hour. It was specific enough that you knew some bureaucrat went out of their way to hyper optimize this, creating a maximum slap-in-your-face effect. This 30 minutes thing feels the same way.
- flossly 5mo agoThat's generous! In many cases they pay really well I heard, so I'm not too bothered by it. If you are a high paid specialist and you do not like how you are treated, you can go and find another, friendlier, job. For low paid workers I have more sympathy: if you have no options but to be tracked and pee in bottles and ... whatnot; that's just sad. We need better labour law to protect them. Also all corporates that did anti-unionizing and never got punished for this are simply criminals operating above the law at this point. We know many FAANG++ did it.
- throwawa1 5mo agoIf you are being tracked all day long, just create a lot of discovery for lawyers in the future: "Mark asked me to x", "Mark asked me to do y".
- kennywinker 5mo agoRequires a functional legal system, so it seems unlikely to come into play.
- throwawa1 5mo agoFact.
- IncreasePosts 5mo agoCan't you just use your own personal device and avoid the tracking entirely?
- metalliqaz 5mo agoI'm looking forward to the HN story sometime next year about employees being let go for opting out of tracking.
- Kye 5mo agoIn 1984, high ranking members of the party could turn off their telescreens for 30 minutes without suspicion.
- skywhopper 5mo agoSo much wild and insulting about this, but one thing is just the idea that it’s somehow more efficient to capture raw HCI data to train models to interact with computers better than humans can, rather than just doing the work to improve the software and interaction models in the first place. So much of the coming compute overbuild is going to be wasted on the stupidest ideas.
- taco_emoji 5mo agoThey need to unionize.
- moi2388 5mo agoAI? What happened to the Metaverse? I thought that was the future, mr Zuckerberg? What happened?
- zeroonetwothree 5mo ago“When the facts change, I change my mind.” - Zuck, probably
- rickcarlino 5mo ago2015 satirical article from The Onion: "HR Director Reminds Employees That Any Crying Done At Office Must Be Work-Related."
- notnullorvoid 5mo agoIf your company provides a phone or computer, you should never use it for anything other than work. Not because of any moral obligation, but because it's a big security risk for you. Sometimes using a company device is even a risk for the company... They shoot themselves in the foot by allowing IT to silently remote takeover/view a device, or install key loggers.
- analog8374 5mo agoMeta has written itself into a solid tyrant role. A million aspiring rebels are happy to play along.
- omnifischer 5mo agodo the meta employees that code these stuff also get tracked?
- LurkandComment 5mo agoJust enough time to...
- bux93 5mo agoDo toilet breaks count towards the 30 minutes?
- dredmorbius 5mo agoSo long as you're optimising, take your device with you and opt for 30 quality minutes at another activity.
- yubblegum 5mo agoThis reminds me, back in the day I had a short term contract in Austin, TX with MCI (a now defunct telco). The site was a call center and the project was working on their friends and family product. I remember feeling outraged for the poor schmucks working at the adjacent call center. They had metered "bt time" - that is bath room time -- and were constantly monitored. This is early 90s (the golden age of being a programmer in US, imo) and our field was fun, lucrative, and really quite unlike any other whitish collar profession. Who would have thunk it that one day we would end up being treated like 'lowly and disposable' call center human resources.
- HlessClaudesman 5mo agoBy sitting in the alcove, and keeping well back, Winston was able to remain outside the range of the telescreen, so far as sight went. He could be heard, of course, but so long as he stayed in his present position he could not be seen. It was partly the unusual geography of the room that had suggested to him the thing that he was now about to do.
- defmetrix 5mo ago30 minutes of freedom! Hell yeah, sounds like a great place to work.
- jabedude 5mo agoAt what point does this company undo their name change that was aligned with them pivoting to the metaverse and virtual reality?
- latexr 5mo ago> new controls will allow employees to pause the data collection for "up to 30 minutes at a time" as well as request exemptions from the initiative altogether. If they deny your exemption, make a tool that every 30 minutes fakes a bunch of nonsensical keystrokes for a few seconds, then automatically request another 30 minute pause. If they ever find out and confront you about it, say you’ve always heard Meta leadership encourages “moving fast and breaking things” and “asking for forgiveness instead of permission”, so you were only following the company’s ethos. Or, you know, quit Facebook if you have the means.
- kennywinker 5mo agoThis is a perfect reason to unionize. Individual action is never as powerful as collective action.
- Supermancho 5mo agoMeta isn't alone in the strategy, but are probably the most effective in implementation. JPMC has extensive monitoring and I don't think they have any restriction.
- 0x59 5mo agoBack to work slaves!
- alsetmusic 5mo agoI don't know why anyone would accept a job there at this point. I mean, I never would have worked there because I didn't care about the mission (never been on any of the major platforms). But around a decade ago, when they were actively poisoning the mood around tech (and I was very angry that they were gonna cause the public to turn on us), I really would have thought so. But people want paychecks that allow a certain standard of living, so… I could understand. If you take a job there today, what the hell is wrong with you?
- Danox 5mo agoMeta where anything goes absolutely for making money...
- khriss 5mo agoWhen the market turns (and it will regardless of how loudly AI cheerleaders proclaim otherwise), I just hope engineers as a whole remember this despicable behaviour by Zuckerberg. The silver lining(If you can call it that) of the latest slump in tech employment is that it has laid bare the reality of the tech oligarchs. Someone should set up a website to catalog this behaviour so that these corporations and leaders can't easily sweep this under the rug in the future.
- menomatter 5mo agoIs Metas tracking more obscene than the traditional tracking suites at large corps like Crowdstrike? In 2017 I recall on launching a tor browser and in 15 mins physical security came to me that something fishy was going on.
- gaiagraphia 5mo agoI'm sure there's more to your story, but... It's quite amusing imagining somebody working in a cybersecurity firm wondering why he's being questioned by security for opening up Tor at work. heh. Surely your post effectively reads as an ad?
- storus 5mo agoThe movie Antitrust but on steroids in real life. Also the Crossover white collar sweatshop ended up as trendsetter.
- bluelightning2k 5mo agoSomehow this is way more dystopian than not having an opt out at all.
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- wg0 5mo agoThat's very generous.
- lukan 5mo agoNo one mentioned Orwell so far? Well, in 1984 the protagonist learns after a while, that inner party members had the amazing perk of being able to turn off the mandatory surveillance screen for up to 30 minutes. But I guess in this case the workers still will be tracked by the usual Meta tracking that applies to everyone surfing the internet.
- zeroonetwothree 5mo ago“It is unwise even for members of the Inner Party to turn off the telescreen for more than half an hour.”
- BrenBarn 5mo agoHeh, came here looking to see if anyone had made this reference yet. Mega disturbing.
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- zaik 5mo agoSpoiler: In the end it is revealed that the surveillance screen wasn't actually switched off. Let's see how it works out in Meta's case...
- cat_plus_plus 5mo agoJust don't blame me if your coding agent curses CEO and bypasses presubmits with dirty hacks a year later, I never volunteered to be a role model.
- neilv 5mo agoIf I ran a mass surveillance and manipulation company that's not known for great ethics, and I managed to hire tons of people despite that reputation, then probably at least a few of those hires will be unethical/disloyal enough to someday do something against me. So, whenever one of my employees opts out of surveillance for 30 minutes... is exactly when they secretly get maximum surveillance attention. Because what is that weasel up to. Humorously, when an employee thinks they are off-the-record is actually when my special security unit is operating off-the-record. With questionable methods. (On-the-record, they spend all their time making employee badges and infosec reminder posters for the kitchenettes.)
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- jesse_dot_id 5mo agoHow considerate
- schaefer 5mo agoIf this is how they treat their employees, I hate to think how they treat their customers.
- quaddoggy 5mo agoMeanwhile… Alan Dye breathes a sigh of relief and resumes another 30 minute session of Minesweeper.
- palmotea 5mo ago> Now, according to Reuters, external, new controls will allow employees to pause the data collection for "up to 30 minutes at a time" as well as request exemptions from the initiative altogether. 30 minutes of opt out should be enough for anyone. Let's all praise Meta and Mark Zuckerberg for their thoughtfulness, kindness, and empathy!
- wegwerper 5mo agoSimple solution: unionize! The rest of the world has figured this out. Union tarrifs don't need to dictate salary bands, often they don't. More often they regulate time off, sick pay, that there are processes in place, and that you have escalation paths to negotiate on your behalf on things like this. The best part? Strikes work!
- aaroninsf 5mo agoWho in their right minds would trust this...? Quite objectively, the track record for management demonstrating bad faith and lying about this is deep and long.
- throwaway7356 5mo agoVery generous and 30 minutes more than Meta allows non-employees to opt out of Meta's tracking. A clear company benefit!
- sys_64738 5mo agoThis does make me chuckle. The workers for facebook inc. who make write the very software that spies on everybody is up in arms about being spied on. They forget what a grifter that the Zuck is.
- Havoc 5mo agoSo employees unhappy about being tracked are expected to explicitly draw attention to the times their doing something where they’re uncomfortable about being monitored? This has got to be something a blue haired HR person came up with
- staplung 5mo agoReminds me of one of the more brilliant passages in Snow Crash, describing work in "Fed Land"... ''' Y.T's mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this memo, and her reaction, based on the time spent, will go something like this: Less than 10 min. Time for an employee conference and possible attitude counseling. 10-14 min. Keep an eye on this employee; may be developing slipshod attitude. 14-15.61 min. Employee is an efficient worker, may sometimes miss important details. Exactly 15.62 min. Smartass. Needs attitude counseling. 15.63-16 min. Asswipe. Not to be trusted. 16-18 min. Employee is a methodical worker, may sometimes get hung up on minor details. More than 18 min. Check the security videotape, see just what this employee was up to (e.g., possible unauthorized restroom break). Y.T.'s mom decides to spend between fourteen and fifteen minutes reading the memo. It's better for younger workers to spend too long, to show that they're careful, not cocky. It's better for older workers to go a little fast, to show good management potential. She's pushing forty. She scans through the memo, hitting the Page Down button at reasonably regular intervals, occasionally paging back up to pretend to reread some earlier section. The computer is going to notice all this. It approves of rereading. It's a small thing, but over a decade or so this stuff really shows up on your work-habits summary. '''
- baliex 5mo agoTruly terrifying. I'll admit I was expecting one of the near-15.62 options to be "acceptable". How wrong I was; I should have seen that coming. As one of the below comments says, you just don't know what level of snooping is going on. If you're reading this $CEO, hi!
- lovich 5mo agoIf you can meet their goals, that just means there is more they can squeeze out of you. The incentive structure for our corporations means there is literally never enough and they will always demand more.
- oblio 5mo agoIs this even legal in the EU?
- BigTTYGothGF 5mo agoPart of me says that they have no grounds to be upset considering how much large scale surveillance and tracking they impose on their users and so many other people online. (The rest of me understands that this is bogus and that it's important to nip this in the bud now)
- akomtu 5mo agoMeta-stasis
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- freejazz 5mo agoA taste of their own medicine. Turns out it is bitter.
- mystraline 5mo agoWork stuff stays on work property. Home stuff stays on home property. Work wants me to use a phone for work, they get me a work phone. Or I dont do it. Why? If you have ever had to go through discovery, Youd know. Company I worked for got sued by Oracle for bullshit licensing (aws RDS licensed oracle is evidently NOT for commercial use, sigh). And know what they do for all engineers maintaining? They subpoena EVERYTHING. If you did personal stuff on work machine, your personal stuff is now in lawsuit scope.
- richard___ 5mo agoIs it not obvious to the Meta employees that the purpose of this data is to replace them? Combined with the job cuts... surprised they haven't revolted or unionized already
- honeycrispy 5mo agoDon't you realize that by using Codex or Claude, you are providing data to them that they will also use in an attempt to replace you?
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- ge96 5mo agoMan I was at a job where you had to install TimeBro and all 8 hours had to be accounted for, was annoying af thank f I don't work there anymore
- joelthelion 5mo agoWhat a wonderful world we live in. And to think that all of this is largely self-inflicted...
- deafpolygon 5mo agoThe cynic in me says Meta is culling the herd.
- Refreeze5224 5mo agoI think it's appropriate that a surveillance company should surveil its employees so they can get a taste of what they are contributing to.
- andsoitis 5mo agoDystopia is a real place.
- lo_fye 5mo ago"Trust us, we're not tracking you for the next 30 mins. Do whatever you want on your screen in that time. We won't peek."
- stephc_int13 5mo agoThere is not enough pushback against this. I don't think anyone is fully comfortable with it but it is considered "standard practice". It wasn't such a huge issue until recently because processing all of this was a burden, but obviously this can be automated very well now. The trend is genuinely dystopian.
- groby_b 5mo agoGiven it's Meta, I'd put roughly zero trust in the opt out actually being respected.
- Santosh83 5mo ago1. Continue tracking me 2. Pause for 1800 seconds
- hackerbeat 5mo agoI'm sure sleazy Zuck doesn't get tracked.
- ergocoder 5mo agoIt's to allow employees to confidentially browse the soft-core-like reels while at work. Nobody wants to be tracked while doing that.
- andyjohnson0 5mo agoDevious. Its somehow more oppressive than the potential of constant surveillance. It says: we are watching you the rest of the time. See also: Learned Helplessness; Stockholm Syndrome.
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- surcap526 5mo ago[dead]
- boombapoom 5mo agofuck you zuck. no one likes you anyways
- jongjong 5mo agoThe tracking is horrible. I often leave my computer for up to 30 minutes to brainstorm or think about a difficult problem. I do this even more now with AI than I did before because the nature of my work has changed and requires more foresight. So the idea that my mouse movements are tracked would force me into counter-productive patterns and narrow-minded thinking by staying at the computer. The best ideas I've had came to me overnight or over the weekend while my mind was at rest. Those ideas are those that keep paying dividends. But I also need frequent breaks day-to-day, especially if using an LLM to code; I need to step back and refine my approach. I don't want to let the LLM seamlessly vibe-code me into a bad decision. I've never met anybody who could come up with good ideas in a rapid-fire way. The stress associated with the need to churn out a steady stream of work makes you fall prey to sunk cost fallacy because you don't pause to reflect on anything you do and it gets worse over time. You end up creating unnecessary problems without even realising it because your mind is subconsciously trying to fill the time with work. The goal takes a backseat. The taboo is awful because I see the effect in my junior colleagues sometimes, leading to over-engineering and I just want to tell them to take more frequent breaks to let the idea rest but it feels like something I'm not supposed to say.
- ebbi 5mo agoIt's very shameful that this company continues to exist.
- philjohn 5mo agoI worked on Child Safety for a time at Meta ... I'm guessing all of the people working on that will be exempted, lest they train the model on actual CSAM.
- oliver236 5mo agohow is meta different from google? im confused
- deleted 5mo ago[deleted]
- u64cellar 5mo agoReminds me of 1984 when Winston gets surprised that O'Brien can turn off the telescreen.
- u64cellar 5mo agoWhich probably was a lie.
- ares623 5mo agowe laugh and make fun and shake our heads at this. We did the same when Elon did what he did during the Twitter take over. Then every other company followed suit. This is coming for all of us.
- anotherevan 5mo agoWhy does this feel worse?
- Ecko123 5mo ago[dead]
- alex1138 5mo agoMark Zuckerberg is as he always was, a sociopath
- madhacker 5mo agoEating your own dog food Facebookers! U reap what you sow.
- newtonianrules 5mo agoMaybe have some respect for yourself and others and opt out of working at Meta.
- rajivjain 5mo ago[dead]
- quantum_state 5mo agoMonitoring employee at work is a shady business .. we all should say no to it.
- b3ing 5mo agoIf they want to know what you were doing for 20 min take a picture of an unflushed toilet each day, it will put an end to that right away
- thewileyone 5mo agoGood enough for a relaxing sh*t break.
- ev0lv 5mo agoAm I the only one that sees the irony of people working for creepy adtech like meta having to endure being tracked?
- mbgerring 5mo agoUNION.
- ornornor 5mo agoLook. You CHOSE to join Facebook. One of the most psychopathic and damaging companies to society. You don’t get to whine now that it also affects YOU personally. You made your bed, either finally own up and quit or enjoy a taste of your own medicine.
- ameypandey 5mo ago[flagged]
- rsynnott 5mo agoSo… how is this company retaining senior employees? I mean, between this and all their other recent nonsense, you’d think those who could would just… leave.
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- markandrewj 5mo agoSounds like an absolutely terrible work environments for a knowledge worker to be in.
- gverrilla 5mo agoProud slaves.
- poulpy123 5mo agoOur overlords are truly generous
- rambojohnson 4mo ago[dead]