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I'm Tired of Talking to AI
- jsnell 5mo agoDupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48230104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48230104
- dreadsword 5mo agoYeah I'm curious re: theorchid and who they are...
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- gyanchawdhary 5mo agoWhat a weird first world problem this guy has …
- danielpardo 5mo agoThe thing is that to externalize your thought process is very dangerous because you feel you know things, but you really don't.
- elorant 5mo agoGive it a few years and the web will be AIs talking to other AIs ad infinitum
- alex_x 5mo agothinking becomes a commodity
- Jgrubb 5mo agoI think actual thinking is now more valuable than ever.
- voidfunc 5mo agoDepends if you can find someone to buy that line of thinking. Theres only a market if someone recognizes one.
- simondotau 5mo ago”You can outsource your thinking, but you can’t outsource your understanding” — probably some AI
- Cthulhu_ 5mo agoWasn't some AI, it was Andrej Karpathy and he got it from someone else (unattributed).
- simondotau 5mo agoI didn't provide a citation because its origins are unclear/unclaimed, so instead it was an opportunity for a chuckle. FWIW I first read it when this guy's tweet was retweeted by Andrej. https://x.com/yacineMTB/status/2018886083120153046 https://x.com/yacineMTB/status/2018886083120153046
- alex_x 5mo agoI also wonder if this is so visible because a lot of people don't really care what they do and will happily use any bullshit machine to simulate work.
- mschuster91 5mo agoLet's be real. Our economies are in the gutters and an insane amount of "work" is actually textbook "bullshit jobs". However, we as a society aren't nearly ready to actually hold a conversation about that. We could probably eliminate half of all non-hands-on (i.e. a human uses their hands to manufacture a thing) employment in a matter of a year or two if we would embrace computers and digital infrastructure and give lower levels of employees more authority - and that's before AI even enters the picture. Government services are a prime example - a lot of "e government" services in Germany aren't truly digital, they generate a PDF that is printed out in some clerk's office and processed manually by copying information from that PDF into some admin program. But unfortunately, if we were to do that, we'd run into riots faster than we could imagine. We aren't ready for a society in which we still have a small base of people that have to, literally, work (with their bodies) to keep society alive while the rest does not need to work any more.
- alex_x 5mo agoI agree with that 100%
- torben-friis 5mo agoWas it Sam Altman, who said that they intent exactly that? To offer intelligence as a service? I trust myself to be hard headed enough to keep my intelligence from atrophy, but it's going to suck living in a society where most people don't (or who never developed it at all). The other day I was at the theatre and I overheard the people next to me glad that they had the best tickets because chatgpt had advised what to buy. The big tip was choosing something centered rather than very angled. Sigh.
- EarthIsHome 5mo agoNearly half of online articles are now AI-generated. [0] [0]: https://graphite.io/five-percent/ai-now-writes-as-many-online-articles-as-humans-do https://graphite.io/five-percent/ai-now-writes-as-many-onlin...
- embedding-shape 5mo ago> We build on our prior research by using three different AI detectors (Pangram, GPTZero, Copyleaks). We independently evaluate each to show that the false positive rates and average false negative rates are consistently below 2%. Each AI detector shows a similar trend. This is all bullshit, none of those actually work, and the false-positives rates are sky-high. I'm not sure how any serious person have tried out any of those services and came away with the impression of "Well, better than nothing" because literally, it seems the opposite.
- tidewinner 5mo agoAre you an AI agent trying to gaslight us?
- embedding-shape 5mo agoJust a boring old organic human tired of other organic beings falling for obvious bullshit most likely made up by machines convincing humans with something like "you really have a neat idea here, the world will appreciate you making this into a product".
- lelandfe 5mo agoSo if these do not work, to what do you attribute the rising positive rate?
- embedding-shape 5mo agoHumans writing more like LLMs, just like new LLMs write more like humans, it's all coalescing into one. I've copied-pasted comments I made on HN from like 2020 and had it tell me it's "100% AI". I've seen examples where the services claim "100% AI" because there was no normal dashes, only em-dashes. Even have a recent example from HN itself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48165690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48165690 > This reads very AI. Pangram [0] agrees [1]. [0] Not perfect, but I think as good evidence as any: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.15654 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.15654 [1] https://www.pangram.com/history/44cd07d3-ba94-4331-8c7f-a626 https://www.pangram.com/history/44cd07d3-ba94-4331-8c7f-a626... Said Pangram report literally citing the single evidence of em-dashes...
- outime 5mo ago>I’m tired of talking to AI. >I want to talk to real people. Good luck with that while on the internet - that's only going to get worse. The bright side is that this may make all of us touch grass more often.
- mrweasel 5mo agoThe internet isn't going to die out, but it feels like it's becoming a place where you go to do a specific task and then you check out again. One interesting observation from myself: I don't "browse" the internet anymore. I go read specific sites, order something, or do some task. So my internet usage is way down, but I also don't watch a lot of TV or streaming content anymore, because I can't really deal with it. There's to much of it, the acting is bad, the writing is bad, everything is just a rehash (Cinematography is beautiful though). So now I just read, preferably books written before the year 2000.
- chadgpt3 5mo agoIt used to be like this, during the golden age of the internet. We didn't have it anywhere, we had it on a computer on our desk. We had to sit down at that desk to use it. Eventually we would get up again and be offline. Bringing connectivity everywhere has many obvious advantages, but it's also sucked away the rest of life.
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- phoronixrly 5mo agoThanks, if I want to talk to an LLM I will do so specifically.
- specproc 5mo agoThe article, if you'd read it, was about receiving the same response to a technical question from multiple sources, whilst seeking human assistance with a problem AI hadn't been able to solve.
- niekiepriekie 5mo ago“Stop changing my code you st*d piece of s*t. And stop pushing that youtube garbage like i’m some 5 year old” - me against gemini. But he, helps with my anger management.
- hypfer 5mo agoBeing able to just bluntly tell it in very colorful language that its neurotic cargo-culting phobia of imaginary things is something that needs to stop is such a breath of fresh air after the dark ages of 2017.
- eliotthbyrnes 5mo agoHot take - who still actually uses the actual chat features for general conversation in the dev community?
- hootz 5mo agoHow do you define general conversation? I have used the Gemini web chat yesterday to review and generate a report about multiple credit card statements.
- RugnirViking 5mo agodepends what you mean. I regularly ask it to explain stuff, terminology I don't recognize etc. I also ask it about neat things it did, terminal commands etc so I can do them when I want to. That's chat in some sense, no? its not all "write this code"
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- mrweasel 5mo agoFor something like customer service, I can understand why an AI would be deploy, not that I think it should, but why are so many running things like Reddit bots? A few bots here and there for experimentation, sure, but as someone else pointed out, almost half of everything online is now AI generated. To some extend if it's not worth spending a persons time producing, I don't think whatever it is that you generated needs to exist.
- cedws 5mo agoThere’s more mass manipulation AKA nudge campaigns going on than ever. Plus, there’s a market for “aged” (forgot the term they actually used) accounts that look authentic.
- mrweasel 5mo agoAre you suggesting that people have bots answering question on place like AskReddit in an effort to nudge society in a certain direction? That would explain why much of Reddit, Instagram and Facebook is so completely unhinged, but that is just a wild way of influencing the world, and to what end?
- philipwhiuk 5mo ago> and to what end? Anarchism / destabilisation.
- mrweasel 5mo agoWell, they're doing an excellent job then.
- coldtea 5mo agoLikely the classics: voting a certain way, supporting a certain state, supporting a certain cause, and buying things.
- cedws 5mo agoYes, this isn't even a conspiracy theory. Reddit is one of the most astroturfed of them all, besides maybe Facebook. At least Facebook has consistent moderation they're (somewhat) accountable for. Moderation on Reddit is extremely shady and opaque, the subreddits aren't ran democratically so they can shut up whoever they want selectively to foster a particular sentiment.
- t_macc 5mo agoI'm tired of talking ABOUT AI.
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- hamburgererror 5mo agoDoes AI talk about us?
- Cthulhu_ 5mo agoYup: https://openclawbook.io/ https://openclawbook.io/
- chadgpt3 5mo agoThis was mostly written by humans impersonating AIs as a publicity stunt.
- hamburgererror 5mo agoI feel this mise en abyme can go pretty far
- Cthulhu_ 5mo agoThat's alright, nobody's making you. You can choose to disengage.
- b3lvedere 5mo agoThat is not entirely true. Some business first contact is AI. It is, on purpose, a bit difficult or bothersome to actually try and contact a human being.
- infinitezest 5mo agoIf you work in this industry? Not really.
- p2detar 5mo ago> I worked as a developer at a company. I asked the business owner a question about a business task. He sent me a ChatGPT screenshot with the answer. I replied that it had nothing to do with my question and everything there was wrong. A minute later he sent me another ChatGPT screenshot. He didn’t even read the AI’s answer. That's just rude and borderline psychotic behavior. It's still a bit better at my workplace but irritating nonetheless - my boss would "research" a feature and prep notes in our wiki with some gemini chatbot exchanges attached. This is a of course no specification, but it's supposed to be a good base point to start working on the feature. Gemini already chose the coding libraries and concepts, so to the outsider it just seems like all that's needed is to code that into the product. Of course, it's not that simple and it mostly gets in the way rather than help. But now questions arise why is the feature not ready yet, when "the plan" is already there and so obvious.
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- thesamethrowawa 5mo agoFlowers for Algernon has something to say about this.
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- hamburgererror 5mo agoFace reality my friend, Internet is now hostile to humans. Time to leave this place for good.
- ccozan 5mo agoYes and then we refuge in the physical meat space until the robots would be indistiguishing from humans. Sounds like a movie plot, or is Bladerunner all over.
- Cthulhu_ 5mo agoAt least the internet is not one single place, and while I can't speak for anyone I think I've managed to avoid most of the AI generated internet.
- coldtea 5mo agoEven the human generated content is written by humans increasingly influenced by AI generated content
- hamburgererror 5mo agoHow? I'm genuinely interested.
- Octoth0rpe 5mo ago> I think I've managed to avoid most of the AI generated internet. I honestly am not sure that one can know that that is true anymore. Probably the only place left that I have any confidence in is maybe the small discords I'm in with various friend groups with <30 people that all know each other IRL.
- hamburgererror 5mo ago> people that all know each other IRL Hence my first message
- lizknope 5mo agoWhere are you going? Reddit has a lot of AI generated stuff Youtube comments are even worse. Twitter seems 99% AI garbage I think I need to find old school forums to discuss things.
- xen_relay 5mo agoA bit off topic, but I am currently travelling through Europe by train. It is such a boon to just be outside everyday and meet locals and fellow travellers. Highly recommend.
- Invictus0 5mo agoI am also traveling through Europe, currently in Budapest. Twice now in the last week, I have heard AI music being played through the speakers at restaurants.
- rob74 5mo agoWell, I think I couldn't distinguish AI music from the good (or bad) old human-made "elevator music", but maybe I'm mistaken and it would stand out to me when I hear it...
- larodi 5mo agolisten carefully and if it rings (as in being little distorted, or too noisy) it is most probably AI. and it is nearly-impossible to obscure it, unless you replay the whole score using classic approach. i would imagine how irritating is this music to everyone a child indeed, as children have higher thresh of what they hear.
- Cthulhu_ 5mo agoThat's probably to be expected, before that they used covers of popular songs, likely produced by a company that offers much lower rates than e.g. the original artists. I prefer silence over that tbh.
- kingkongjaffa 5mo agoAI K-pop was in the cafes in Seoul.
- xen_relay 5mo agoI am in Budapest tomorrow. Lmk if you want to meet for a coffee :)
- hypfer 5mo agoAI has "just" greatly accelerated/amplified dysfunction that was already there previously. Even before AI, you often weren't truly talking with other real people on the web. Even if it was an actual human that responded, online tribalism led to erasure of said human-ness. So from that standpoint, being exhausted by not talking to real humans might be good or at least necessary.
- dabbledash 5mo agoThe sad thing is it happens in real life too. You'll talk to people and it's like 25% of their brain has been taken over by a parasite that replicates itself by amplifying their tribe's Talking Point of The Day. You have to just wait for them to get it out and then you can talk to the real person again.
- hypfer 5mo agoI had people actually in-person scream at me, because I refused to engage with the engagement bait they had downloaded from tiktok or wherever. Digital opioid crisis, this tribalism thing. A lot of people do not seem to be doing well, which seems to be the foundation of many of the business models of the employers of people here on HN. Digital copioid crisis.
- tardedmeme 5mo agoGot any examples?
- winter_blue 5mo ago> You'll talk to people and it's like 25% of their brain has been taken over by a parasite that replicates itself by amplifying their tribe's Talking Point of The Day. This is so true. So many people just parrot whatever nonsensical talking point they heard. Regurgitating things without an ounce of reflection or critical thought.
- CachedaCodes 5mo agoI think using AI to help you write or rewrite something you want to convey is fine, the difference is using it as a replacement of thinking instead of a tool. The screenshots part is crazy.
- tjpnz 5mo agoIf you're not able to convey it maybe you haven't spent long enough thinking about it?
- coldtea 5mo agoHelping you "write or rewrite something you want to convey" is already using it as a replacement of thinking.
- SkyBelow 5mo agoI think it depends upon the effort involved. Think the difference between AI saying "This paragraph seemed muddled and lacks a clear point. Consider rewriting it." vs "Here, I rewrote this paragraph to focus it more on bridging the previous and next paragraphs." The problem with this as a metric is that it is loosely defined so it becomes quite easy for a person to twist it to justify almost any level of AI usage as "well, it is still more effort than <X>".
- moralestapia 5mo agoIs hiring a <professional> for a <task> a replacement for thinking?
- Laurel1234 5mo agoIf the task is thinking yes, obviously.
- coldtea 5mo agoIf the task is ghost writing, absolutely.
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- sibidharan 5mo agoAI made writing cheap, but it's a human thing to validate, research and respond! It's human slop! Not AI slop!
- epolanski 5mo agoTrue, but it is impossible to catch up while preserving quality and mental sanity. I know about several of my friends, non-tech, being directly impacted by AI. In finance, lots of analysis work is now offset to LLMs, and the people leveraging the tools obviously still have the issue that they need to review everything the AI has analyzed, their formulas, etc. And lots of nuance and things that a human would caught are lost. But in the meantime the expectation is that your analysis output is 5 times what it was before. My girlfriend works in corporate law for an insurance company. The company is FOMOing hard for LLMs and pushing everybody to write gemini "gems" and notebooklm presets to do lots of the work. But it absolutely does not scale: you can't keep up with those demands, while also providing the same quality coming from thoroughly analyzing new regulations and such. Another friend that works in credit has now the company mandate that people update financial statements etc directly to LLMs and those tools come with a yes/no about whether they will finance it or not. Quality of debt has now plummeted, needless to say and the process is longer that it has ever been because re-reviewing the LLM analysis is more expensive than doing it on your own. My own bank has had a terrific customer care that has been recently replaced by an LLM, tragedy. It is absolutely unhelpful beyond the 80% pareto principle where customer care had already pre-canned answers anyway. But for the 20% of cases that are major issues/bugs, the AI is simply not helpful. My bank genuinely had a bug with invoice processing and there was no way to tell them nor to resolve my issue (which required somebody to manually void the previous invoice and restart the process that got bugged). I think it's a tragedy.
- alex_x 5mo agoHumans are highly dependent on the environment; you can blame people for eating too much of highly processed food and lots of sugar, but that's what happens if all you see around is highly processed food and sugar
- fleebee 5mo agoExcept for the fully autonomous OpenClaws invading social spaces. There's no human in the loop. That's pure, unfettered AI slop, at a scale no human could keep up with.
- tfrancisl 5mo ago> I worked as a developer at a company. I asked the business owner a question about a business task. He sent me a ChatGPT screenshot with the answer. Something similar to this happened in a "public" chat space at my company, and, despite the fact that we are leaning into LLMs and agentic workflows quite a bit, the responses were generally "I aint reading all that" and "hey, dude, thats kinda unprofessional." We should be shaming people who attempt to outsource all of their thinking to chatbots or agents. I think it would be effective.
- dominotw 5mo agoif you shame ppl for ai use you might get branded as ai non beliver and shown the door next layoff round ( which is just around the corner)
- tidewinner 5mo agoAt my company this behaviour is celebrated
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- hn111 5mo agoYou can send them this: https://noslopgrenade.com https://noslopgrenade.com
- tfrancisl 5mo agoI agree with the messaging generally, but unfortunately to fight implicitly unprofessional behavior with a terse response like this would look explicitly unprofessional!
- civvv 5mo ago>Or as Jean Baudrillard has said: It is nothing short of profoundly ironic to quote Jean Baudrillard in this context.
- lizknope 5mo agoI'm tired of talking to people telling them to stop talking to an AI AI generated slop has exploded across reddit. Last year I would see about 1 obvious AI generated post and report it. Today I've already reported 5 posts and it is 7am here. The posts are some technical topic but there isn't even really a question in the post and then it ends with "thoughts about this?" and people try to clarify with the OP what the question is. I reply to them to stop wasting their time because it is a bot. Sometimes there are 20 comments and nothing from the OP bot. Sometimes the OP bot says "Interesting, thanks" but never any real followup question. We had this discussion 3 weeks ago "AI Slop is Killing Online Communities" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48053203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48053203
- chadgpt3 5mo agoReddit has fallen. Stop wasting your time there. Reddit makes money from spam accounts. Even before LLMs, they'd ban you for reporting the wrong spambots, those being the ones that pay Reddit for priority access. The replies to the LLM post are probably LLMs themselves.
- lizknope 5mo agoI've already unsubcribed to a bunch of subreddits because the moderators did nothing to stop the slop. I almost never go to the main "popular" page as it is full of garbage. But I was still enjoying my niche subreddits. But in the last year the amount of AI slop has exploded and it is getting worse every day. Reposts of things from less than a week ago. Really vague technical questions with emdashes, bullet points, and ending in "thoughts?" that generate a discussion but the OP bot never replies or has vague 1 word comments. I know that reddit makes money from ads so more bots mean more traffic which means more ads and more money. But it is sad watching communities because useless and die.
- sethops1 5mo agoI think about how violently HN (in general) reacts to technology like Web Environment Integrity which could enable websites to relatively easily block AI spam, and at the same time opine about the days of being able to talk to (just) humans online. Personally I'd be fine at this point for _some_ kind of identity based authentication for discussion forums, at least. I'm tired of hearing ChatGPT's opinion on things.
- pelagicAustral 5mo agoI'm not tired to talking to AI because I specifically instructed my agents to channel Alec Baldwin in Glengary Glen Ross, so i constantly reminded that coffee is for closers only.
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- chaosprint 5mo agoUsing AI to learn objective things is acceptable. However, as long as it's combined with your own experience, because AI can't possibly understand your entire world, any subjective answers will be disgusting, disastrous, obsequious, and boring.
- datakan 5mo agoI feel the same as the article author. Worse, every Diary/Journaling app is now including AI, so the place where original thoughts are supposed to be written for posterity is now also AI generated slop. I've canceled subscriptions because of it.
- thunfischtoast 5mo agoAI makes it apparent that the only value some people bring to the table is that they have access to information that you do not. If now they fold that one advantage by just delegating everything to AI (which is in the same position as you informationwise), they will remove themselves from the worker pool soon.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5mo agoTry prompting Claude to fix an arbitrary code base better than someone who knows it, when you're a random non-technical person. Try prompting Claude for legal advice and getting as good of results as Lawyer would if you're a layperson. Try prompting Claude for medical advice if you're not a doctor... I would hope these people are AT A MINIMUM screening the responses they get before passing them off. There's value in that if they are, as if they really are experts they can filter out bs and reprompt better than you likely could if you're not an expert - and in rare cases, who knows, maybe they could actually do it themselves. AI is just going to speed run bringing out the best and worst in coworkers. There have always been people that did the absolute bare minimum to not get fired. AI will just make it more obvious. And those people will be at the front to be let go when AI inevitably kills white collar jobs as it creates other jobs. They just might not be able to get one of those new ones because they rotted what little brain cells they had to begin with.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago> I would hope these people are AT A MINIMUM screening the responses they get before passing them off The co-founder of Anthropic isn't even doing this when preparing statements to say after the Pope has spoken about AI, I think you're expecting a bit too much here. Don't get me wrong, I definitely think that's a must too, but I also think people should test software extensively before deploying/releasing it, seemingly nowadays I'm in the minority about these sort of things.
- mittensc 5mo agoI find your comment a bit funny > Try prompting Claude to fix an arbitrary code base better than someone who knows it, when you're a random non-technical person. I've seen people employed working on some code bases that couldn't code at all. > Try prompting Claude for legal advice and getting as good of results as Lawyer would if you're a layperson. Some lawyers are downright incompetent and don't know what they're talking about / just want your money. > Try prompting Claude for medical advice if you're not a doctor... Some doctors are downright incompetent or malicious. You'd generally find that out by vising another doctor and finding previous diagnostic was bullshit and you lost time. > AI is just going to speed run bringing out the best and worst in coworkers. It does help people overall, the worst coworkers are probably going to still be there, just a bit better hidden. The rest just have a new-age search engine to augment their capabilities.
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- Invictus0 5mo agoGet a grip! If you want to talk to a human then pickup the phone or go meet them in person
- finnthehuman 5mo agoIt doesn't prevent people from outsourcing their thinking to AI. People don't bother preparing to discuss topics beyond what AI told them. If they have access to their computer during the conversation they'll ask AI rather than google for reference material. If they don't have access, they'll suggest "investigating" (asking AI) and reconvening. We had a problem that involved some open source library. The call consisted of various people saying what claude said about the code, then me explaining how it was incomplete or misleading (read: wrong) based on what I learned from actually reading the code.
- wateralien 5mo agoOne of the most amazing things happened during the day long power cut in 2025 in Spain and Portugal... eventually the cell towers went down and everyone just went to the parks and socialised. Connected with friends, strangers. Everyone was so in the moment because there was nowhere else to be, nothing else to distract them. People would pick up their phone and realise there was nothing there for them and put it back down and continue chatting. People were present in a way I've never seen in these places before. It was pretty magical.
- kh_hk 5mo agoIn Neal Stephenson's fall or dodge in hell there's a timeline where the internet is so flooded by fake AI generated news that characters have their own agent both filtering info and maintaining their fake social presence. The book in particular is of a debatable quality but I keep going back to those introductory chapters as prophetic the more we go into this.
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- torben-friis 5mo ago>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.
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- rob74 5mo agoWell, it's subtly different than a kid calling mum - kids generally do that because they're insecure, an adult using ChatGPT to answer simply can't be bothered to turn on their brain...
- Dumblydorr 5mo agoSounds pretty unsubtle to me. It’s possible they’re insecure as adults as well? Or they want to save time or brain power for other work and don’t see the inherent rudeness in it?
- choudharism 5mo agoI think you might be underestimating the level of insecurity in the average adult ("I only used AI to refine my own thoughts...", "I only used AI to correct my typos...").
- blueflow 5mo agoYou had an good, psychologically plausible explanation for some individuals to over-rely on AI and... dismissed it and called them stupid. Adults are not special, they are mostly kids that got older.
- rob74 5mo agoActually I didn't call them stupid, I called them lazy (and also inconsiderate, but mostly lazy).
- maciejzj 5mo agoI've recently been connecting some machines to a new switch and my colleague has been monitoring web logs at the same time using Claude. He send me a Claude-generated observation that the machines that I was able to put my hands on simultaneously must be in different buildings due to high pings. Surreal experience.
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- zhiQ 5mo ago- you use AI-generated argument in a discussion. - your co-worker counters with AI-generated argument. - you re-counter with AI-generated rebuttal. - the co-worker counter the re-counter with another AI-generated… etc. Turtles all the way down.
- titaniumrain 5mo agotoo much whining with non-AI believers
- bloqs 5mo agoWhen you work in STEM fields you tend to interact with people with higher non verbal reasoning skills (often called Performance IQ) who generally have lower verbal IQs (not always). These people are definitively less articulate and cannot see the linguistic inconsistencies and inhuman demeanor of LLM outputs. Much in the same way that non creative people cannot tell why some AI art is unappealing, they can't easily comprehend the value of the human dimension of art. Similarly, people with poor non-verbal/performance reasoning skills cannot understand the difference between AI produced code and human produced code.
- agumonkey 5mo agoThese people are probably more attuned to conceptual abstract specifications.
- weatherlite 5mo agoWhat's so great about talking to real people?
- coldtea 5mo agoJust it being the only thing that matters for humanity
- weatherlite 5mo agoTalking to them online ? I think most of us will be better off without the huge amounts of online toxicity.
- metalliqaz 5mo agonot if the replacement is AI slop
- patates 5mo ago> But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. Those people obviously don't want to talk to you/"other people" or not interested in the topic you're talking about or both. Find people who want to talk to you, and avoid spaces where this is less likely to happen. Funny thing is, when this happened to me, I asked AI to give me ideas (because online I just couldn't find people to talk to except on HN) and the best idea it had was finding smaller/niche forums and real-world gatherings around me. At least nowadays, when you see the person talking in real world, it's fairly easy to tell human from android.
- 48terry 5mo ago> Those people obviously don't want to talk to you/"other people" or not interested in the topic you're talking about or both. Great suggestion. Problem: these are bosses and coworkers and people you need to work with to keep receiving income to live, and the topics talked about are things important to the place of work.
- pjmlp 5mo agoMe too, which is why I do my best to keep KPIs, and do everything else as always.
- pprotas 5mo agoA year ago (or so) I had a colleague whose messages were all obviously AI-generated. I told them that it felt weird that they were sending me AI answers in Slack and code reviews, and they stopped doing it. Not an interesting story, just wanted to share that the other party might not be aware of how this comes across on the people that have to read their AI messages.
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- jwxz 5mo agoIn the video game Cyberpunk 2077, the "Net" is overrun by rouge AI and eventually humanity has to quarantine itself from them, ironically, using another AI. I wonder if a similar fate awaits us?
- everlier 5mo agoThe company I work at tries to solve it right now, not promoting, just want to share. Slop is no fun to deal with, so we have a thesis that slop should be left for agents to read and human-to-human communication should happen outside of passing empty fluffy docs to one another. To realise that, we have a workspace with group chats where multiple agents and humans can work together and agents can engage with humans for additional information when needed. The challenge is, of course, to find the right level of autonomy for the agents and let the agent learn and follow user's workflows well enough to be useful.
- ps 5mo agoTwo months ago I responded to my nontechnical business partners asking me what do I expect from AI in the future couple of months or years - people will cherish and value in person talk and meeting other people much more and even this will hold true for minor share of human population and only until we augment human body to hide its permanent connection to AI.
- cortic 5mo agoI was actually thinking of how tired i was talking to real people and how refreshing AI was to talk something through with. Most conversations with people, that center around something complicated or emotional are difficult on many levels. I have to deal with humans limited amount of patience and ego eccentric responses that can hide the actual response and require me to untie the persons emotional state diplomatically before i can get to the point. Just having an entity i can throw concepts at with limitless patience and almost no ego, its really refreshing. The only issue I'm frustrated with is the inevitable Enshittification of these LLMs leading to advertising push or "a response was not generated" popping up whenever something too political or controversial is generated. I don't consider the massive inflow of IA content in social media as a LLM problem as this is just the same shills that were always on these platforms using AI to increase the quality and quantity of their output, its problems we should have dealt with before AI.
- sshine 5mo agoI recently had someone send me a PCAP file with a network package dump suggesting that the error is on my side. I threw it to Claude and a minute later had a "look at packet 131 and 136, it's on their side." Yeah, it is exhausting to read verbose slop. But you're the author. I used to be extremely verbose, and AI has helped me appreciate brevity because now I'm being exposed to it. I would love to be without the "Top 5 Kubernetes commands" slop images LinkedIn feeds me.
- u_fucking_dork 5mo agoOn the other hand, I recently had a problem with my grocery order from Sam’s Club (the onions were smashed) and had to call to get it hopefully addressed. Talked to an LLM for 30 seconds after 0 wait and it was resolved. No accent I could barely understand, no potato microphone, no being put on hold for 5 minutes in the middle while they do whatever. Just I’m an AI, I might fuck this up, what do you need, is this about your most recent order? Yes, my onions got smashed. Ok do you want a refund? Yes. The end.
- senfiaj 5mo agoSounds like a nightmare.
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- jillesvangurp 5mo agoThis is just the modern equivalent of "just google it". Which at the time was a rude but effective way of telling people to get off their ass and figure it out themselves instead of being lazy and expecting others to solve their issues. You wanting to talk to someone means you are desiring to occupy their time and attention. Depending on the person, it helps if you actually have a good case for this and if you can communicate that well. Also, have some empathy for the other side being busy or otherwise not that motivated to drop everything and engage with you. The problem here isn't necessarily people using AI but communication skills. Many developers are not particularly strong at those; or reading between the lines.
- SkyBelow 5mo ago>This is just the modern equivalent of "just google it". I don't think that is always the case. Sometimes it is. Other times the social cues and later follow up makes it seem the person thought they were being really helpful, not sarcastic, by sending the response. Yet other times, the person acts as if it was their own response and not the AI's, almost akin to passing off the AI's work as their own. This is most notable when the original question shows effort was put into it and it isn't a simple case.
- jillesvangurp 5mo agoI can't judge the specific situation. But if this happens to you a lot, I'd suggest looking at how you are asking things from other people (i.e. how you communicate). > original question shows effort was put into it What matters is how the other side interprets it, not your level of effort or your expectations. If the other side apparently doesn't get what you wanted to happen, that's a communication issue.
- Neil44 5mo agoI hate getting AI generated emails from people. They probably haven't even read or understood the slop they're sending me, the chances of them understanding and contextualizing what I reply are slim, I might as well reply with AI slop. What's the point of any of this. Maybe I can increase the weights on slop in my spam filter.
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- tomhow 5mo agoPlease don't fulminate on HN. The substance of your point has merit but that ragey style of expressing it is not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jiaosdjf 5mo agoYou're absolutely right! This isn't just tiring <em-dash> it's _insulting_.
- k8sToGo 5mo agoYou hit the nail on the head!
- t1234s 5mo agoTry talking to grok its more entertaining.
- perching_aix 5mo agoIt generally helps when one is not surrounded by tactless buffoons. I had this happen to me a few times, kindly produced my own LLM output screenshots in response, and the issue resolved itself. I was lucky: I got the kind who - mistakenly - thought they were being helpful. They weren't, got the hint, and buggered off with this. I wasn't really asking them questions though per se, so maybe a bit of a different situation. Maybe worth trying if you have not. Obviously, if you have a hard-on against LLMs this won't be easy though. Though I will say, some colleagues of mine are visibly absolutely terrible in using LLMs, so with them it does make sense to prompt on their behalf. Definitely wouldn't lead with the LLM output like this though, not the least because it's always a mountain of prose.
- CmdSheppard 5mo agoI totally understand! Started getting AI fatigue for a few months now. I find myself constantly questioning if content I interact with is AI generated or not.
- darkstarsys 5mo agoWhat happens to humanity when AIs are better at being human than most humans? (More patient, more empathetic even if it's simulated empathy, more knowledgeable)
- tobyhinloopen 5mo agoMass unemployment and wealth inequality
- b3lvedere 5mo agoWe have that already. We did not need AI for that. AI will happily bring more and more of it though.
- hamburgererror 5mo agoYou get something like Mars Express [1]. [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26915336/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26915336/
- b3lvedere 5mo agoSoo crying robots
- sunkeeh 5mo agoNow people are seeing why in-person matters.
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- layer8 5mo agoI feel that if there was a startup that would tackle automating copy&paste, they could take over the world. ;)
- rejigtian 5mo agowhy? They are useful
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- Havoc 5mo agoHave encountered this too - we really need new social norms around this. Bombarding others with pages of slop that took you 10 seconds to generate (and not even read) yet take minutes to untangle for the recipient is obviously downright rude. ...unfortunately every office has a small number of people that are dumb as rocks and don't recognise this - in fact think they're helping
- caidan 5mo agoIt’s going to turn out that LLM “AI” is one of the inventions like nuclear weapons that can severely regress an advanced civilization. Sometimes it even feels like it is likely to corrupt sentience itself, degrading it into mere cargo cult imitation. After all, if the only one in the room “thinking” is a statistical model of the thought that came before it, how could this be anything other than a dead end. We have a loose collection of 8.3 billion biological intelligences on this planet that is by definition capable of creating our entire civilization (including llms). It is relatively inexpensive to grow and train, and is the most adaptive, creative, and “agentic” (idiotic word) force in the known universe. Seems foolish to abdicate our title as reigning champions of the universe in favor of autocomplete. But again, maybe that’s just what civilizations tend to do when they get to this point….
- dapperdrake 5mo agoCargo-culting has "a rich history." Others call it a proud tradition (as opposed to a useful tradition).
- JTbane 5mo agoFor what they are worth, nuclear weapons are still preventing large-scale conflict between world powers.
- kjkjadksj 5mo agoHard to say if that is from the nukes or the global elite now being so very globally leveraged. Little column a and b probably.
- HDBaseT 5mo agoWe have more wars on-going right now than any other point in history, excluding World Wars. I don't think we are doing very well in preventing "large scale" conflict between World Powers. Russia v. Ukraine war has half a million deaths on the Russian side alone. Is this large scale?
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- dapperdrake 5mo agoPlenty of people are also chasing their own tail.
- thesamethrowawa 5mo agoThe article is spot on. It's so disrespectful to just forward an AI output to someone. The logical conclusion and end game to this is everything becomes AIs talking to each other, writing code, reviewing code, using applications. What are we doing in the end? A self described "tech entrepreneur" engaged me for some consulting on an app he was working on. It was written for web, and he wanted to run it on the 2 mobile platforms, and was looking for ways to do it. He mostly kept forwarding me stuff he had googled, but had no understanding of "this page looks interesting, can we do this?". "This random forum post says we can do it, did you get it wrong?" etc. It was a nightmare. I declined the offer of equity and a full-time role. I shudder to think what is must be like to work with him now we have AI.
- fantasizr 5mo agoThe only AI screenshots I like to read are when it's comically wrong and we both get a quick laugh
- fbnlsr 5mo agoThis has been my experience as well. - Claude writes User Stories, supervised by the PO. - Claude is in charge of the implementation, supervised by the devs. - Claude does the PR review. - If a comment is made by a human, someone c/p what Claude thinks with a simple "not sure if AI is right". We're just passing butter at this point.
- glaslong 5mo agoMy experience as well. It's happened a few times now that I'll ask a coworker a question about some system they built, and they tell me to just ask the AI. I did ask the AI. I gave it several rounds. I got a summary of their diff from it. I skimmed their diff myself. I have a rough mental model of the work they did, plus what the AI did/didn't tell me. I'm asking THEM so THEY can confirm my mental model is correct to the code they supposedly authored. I suspect the real problem is they vibed the whole thing and didn't even self-review it. So they don't know, can't answer, and the interaction is truly pointless. They are not the expert any longer. It's not worth asking them.
- indoordin0saur 5mo agoCurrently having a big issue in some of our data pipelines because a lazy engineer vibe coded a bunch of slop that doesn't make much sense and the AI can't help. Looking like we're going to need to scrap all the code and start from scratch.
- Jianghong94 5mo agoYou know the funny thing is that, the lazy engineer can very likely ask you to just scrap all his code and vibe code again.
- sinsudo 5mo agoAs a non-native speaker, I cope with language barriers. To overcome those barriers, it is tempting to use an LLM to help you with unknown words or expressions. But the use of LLMs may change your original intention. The LLM may flatten, cut corners, or expand what you did not want expanded. Hence, the focus of the message and the spark in the original thought are both destroyed. It is saddening to be linguistically limited. LLMs help bridge the gap, but you have to fight to keep your own identity alive.
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- nathan_compton 5mo agoI have this issue with students a lot and I'd rather get broken english than AI slop.
- nickcageinacage 5mo agoPreach! No one wants AI!
- b3lvedere 5mo agoI want AI like i want a hammer, screwdriver, car or a refrigerator. There when i can use them. Not constantly enforced on me.
- sgt 5mo agoA solution to this is to actually insist on calling people. At least then you'll get the person's immediate inputs to your question.
- monkeydust 5mo agoDoes it matter though. So if I have a problem with my telecom provider and I want to get it solved asap, I'd the AI can do this just as effectively as a human operator isnt that OK?
- bigfishrunning 5mo agoThat's a pretty big "I'd". In my experience the answer is no, the AI is not as effective as a human operator (as long as the human operator is paid enough to care)
- andybak 5mo agoIf the power dynamic allows it, I tend to just reply "Sorry, I'm not reading that". (Unless it's a) trivially short or b) there's a solid reason to send me it. It's the "wall of AI text" that I generally nope out on)
- sgt 5mo ago> What you’re describing is a real social shift, not just annoyance with a tool. > AI is useful as a tool. But when it replaces attention, judgment, and personality, conversations start feeling empty. I pasted your article into ChatGPT and it gave me the most depressing statements. The above and also about 800 more words.
- vitto_gioda 5mo agoIt doesn't worry me at all. I don’t think it’s a problem. We’ll adapt by switching to different means of communication to keep finding what you’re looking for. AI is simply carrying out natural selection.
- meerita 5mo agoThe ChatGPT screenshot part is mind-blowing.
- intended 5mo agoI know its going to cause angst, but the net we knew of is dead. The incentives to keep it the way it used to be are gone. AI is cheap, and it sounds better than what a majority of users write. Humans adapt. Maybe we shift from communites and moderation, to predefined rules of engagement. If a commenter can follow some pre agreed upon rules of debate, then it doesn't matter if they are silicon or not. We went from a cave of wonders to a dark forest in a single life time. It would be amazing if it wasn't so fucking frustrating.
- dude250711 5mo agoWe can go a level higher - reasoning as we know it might be dead.
- MavisBacon 5mo agoOpus 4.7 has been outright obstinate to me lately
- lovegrenoble 5mo agoI want to talk to real people as well
- alex_young 5mo agoSomeone replied. It was the exact same text the AI had given me. How would this happen? I thought most of these things used random seeds when returning responses. I understand similar, but exactly the same seems pretty odd if 2 people use the same prompt in 2 sessions.
- j_w 5mo agoI assume if they copy pasted the same question it could have been cached? It would seem wasteful for <llm_provider> to not cache responses to exact same questions with exact same context windows (fresh session). I'm just speculating though.
- eddieroger 5mo agoHelp desks and canned replies - if a user complains about X, respond with Y. We used to just have humans do it, but turns out machines can do that bit, too, especially if the question is relatively simple or asked a lot or has an answer not up for debate.
- notepad0x90 5mo agoThese are not situations a human would have given you a response on in the past. it's the same irrational ai phobia. we've had automated phone agents for decades. even on reddit, automod has been a thing for a long time. it's always been the case for many tech companies that unless you get someone on HN or twitter, you're out of luck. plenty of HN posts about people who've had google business accounts disabled or locked out with no explanation or recourse. a company with a few hundred employees, constantly laying people off, can't support a free service with actual humans. why is that not obvious? if it was a regular automated script or markov chain what would change? Nothing. Like, there are plenty of good places to direct contempt for AI that are productive. every time i read something like this, it only makes me think how many people also like me think it's silly but won't comment for fear of going against popular sentiment. AI has plenty of good use, one of them is reading natural language input and responding to simple questions. I too have found malware plenty on Github, they have a reporting form. that's it. you don't get a human, i can't image a human replying to every true and false report. if they get to it within days I'd call that a feat. Even if a human replied to you, they'd have to use canned responses in most of these scenarios.
- hahamaster 5mo agoIt seems that a lack of respect is the real issue here. A few years ago, you would have been met with silence, which is probably equally infuriating.
- dukezzz 5mo agoBenveniuto!
- ngvrnd 5mo agoThis feels to me like a transitional problem. People will learn not to do this. I hope.
- MadrasTh0rn 5mo agoWe're building a cage for ourselves
- scotty79 5mo agoAI is a new medium. It's used and going to be used for everything. Including communication. More and more people won't be talking directly but use AI for their messages. AI writing style is inconvenient for reading directly. So you need to have your own AI that helps you interface with the world including other people. To read messages from them and provide you with the best possible translation on it into text that is easy to read for you and contains the information relevant to your interests. About a week ago I got frustrated with news "algorithms" serving me this and that. I vibecoded for myself AI powered app that pulls news from dozens of source in topics that interests then reads them all and for purposes of ranking them according to my preferences, creates a short summary of the main content of the news item. It also inspects the article and the title and if the tile is even mildly clickbaity it extracts the answer to the clickbait and provides it right along the title so I don't have to dig for it. I can also indicate my interest with upvoting and downvoting news pieces on the scale of -2..+2 When I browsed my custom newsfeed I noticed that for most articles I don't even need to click the link because AI summary contains exactly the information that I'd like to get from this article. If I had a problem with receiving AI crafted messages from some people I'd put automatic AI filter between them and me in a blink of an eye. You don't even need frontier models for this. Gemma4 running on my laptop, with the correct prompt (written and tuned completely by Codex) does a great job with extracting information from the news. It should suffice for translating communication.
- 0x80h 5mo agoThat's funny. Why use the brain if tokens are cheap nowadays? (This is not AI btw)
- skor 5mo agogo to the streets, meet your friends, the internet is now an echo chamber
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- Waterluvian 5mo agoWe’re optimizing the soul out of human interaction. Remember when you and your friends disagreed about some piece of trivia on the playground and you couldn’t just pull out a phone and resolve the question immediately?
- largbae 5mo agoHow is this different from the old "Let me Google that for you" response? Is answering via AI rude, or is asking a question that you can get a straight answer from an LLM the rude thing? Both? You might be annoyed with me if I asked you for a link to AirBnB for example.
- pton_xd 5mo agoLMGTFY was rude. You'd never send that to a coworker, unless you were close friends and wanted to rib them a bit for having a brain fart.
- kimbernator 5mo agoLMGTFY was an intentionally rude tongue-in-cheek response when someone was asking a question that could easily be answered by a simple search. This is about asking more complex questions that don't necessarily have a single objective answer.
- throwawayffffas 5mo agoThe difference is that the LLM answer is almost always wrong. It assumes I have not already used an LLM and that I am asking something that an LLM can answer. If the guy was asking about a business process in their business how would chatGPT know what their process is? `Just send me the prompt` applies. If you have an answer and you feed it to an LLM to dress it up, just send me the prompt. If you don't have the answer and are just going to ask an LLM just tell me `I don't know`. I don't need a proxy for ChatGPT.
- 48terry 5mo agoI may have to break the news to you that the LMGTFY was also rude. Both LMGTFY and AI copypastes are rude and dismissive answers that are intended to make the person asking the question feel stupid and bad. It only provides value in making you feel really smart and possibly smug about showing that question-asker what's up, and offers nothing in the short term about their problem (or in the long term about their comfort in turning to you for help). > you can get a straight answer from an LLM By definition, LLMs cannot give a straight answer. They give you text based off next token probabilities.
- shevy-java 5mo ago> I’m tired of talking to AI. > I want to talk to real people. > But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. I don't use AI, but I rarely respond to any PMs. There are many reasons for this; for instance, I remember in the old days, when I first heard about MMA, I registered on sherdog for a discussion. I don't recall when that was, but it was many, many years ago. Then, after many years of not using it, I logged in and found a PM merely insulting me. I very politely and skillfully correct that PM - however had, ultimately this is not really "interaction", this is just wasting my time (and, admittedly, I already was not using sherdog for many years before that either). Since then I have very decreasingly used PMs in general. It's a difference when I know someone, of course, but random people on the internet ... the barrier to want to talk via PMs for me is very low in general. I simply dislike the format of it. I find it much easier when it is an open discussion, such as was the case on reddit (before moderators censoring everyone killed that). It's interesting to see how much censorship happens nowadays. That's very different to the 1990s era. Either way I think AI is not solely at fault here, because I could see problems way before AI emerged already. I very rarely use webforums these days, and Discord is no alternative either - Discord is even worse since it is all a private company controlling discussions. IRC was easier than that.
- globular-toast 5mo agoI already saw this starting to happen when I wrote the following almost a year ago: https://blog.gpkb.org/posts/just-send-me-the-prompt/ https://blog.gpkb.org/posts/just-send-me-the-prompt/
- butlike 5mo agoI agree and on my death bed I'm going to realize I spent my life working from home, talking to a machine, and not enriching any person's life directly. It's just so gruesomely LONELY.
- glouwbug 5mo agoCOVID will be seven years old this December. Many of us here are still working from home since that time. It doesn’t feel like seven years. 2020 feels like last year. What can one typically accomplish in seven years? An undergrad, masters, and maybe a PHD. It is a long time. The years have flown by
- coldpie 5mo agoThere are still in-office jobs out there, where you can have lunch with humans, and maybe even make friends with your coworkers. I have one. It's not a popular opinion on this site, but it's OK to admit that being isolated home alone for 40+ hours a week is not healthy for your personality type.
- notnullorvoid 5mo agoRemote doesn't need to be isolating. You can make friends with remote coworkers, but it requires a culture where jumping on a call to work things out is normalized. I've found most work communication apps not to be very condusive to it, but Discord is pretty good.
- hectdev 5mo agoYea, you have to be proactive. I have friends with non-traditional work schedules to spend time with during the working hours when I take breaks from work. I go to coffee shops and make friends with the workers there. And I make sure to engage in social activities like group cycling. I love WFH but would never make it so I am sitting in front of my computer alone at home 40 hours a week.
- grishka 5mo agoYou still sit at home, alone, in front of a screen to talk to these people. It's still really depressing. I sincerely miss working in an office, but with my current job it would've been impossible anyway (everyone is remote in different countries). I've only once met some of my coworkers irl a few years ago when we went to a conference together.
- Kuyawa 5mo ago"Let me google that for you" has been replaced by "Let me AI that for you"
- mustaphah 5mo agoI hate to say it, but I'm becoming less and less interested in structured content, and more interested in disorganized, messy content over time. I don't like the thought of how this may end up in a few years for me.
- Sandstone6922 5mo agoThis ^. The moment I open an article/post and see subtitles in *bold*, emojis everywhere and/or symmetric paragraphs, I start to suspect instantly whether it's AI. > more interested in disorganized, messy content over time Same, that kind of content kinda forces me to use my brain (yeah.. sounds obvious..) to organize the message, understand it, agree/disagree, and actually CONSUME the content, like the old days..
- jylefv 5mo agoThis is the sad reality we live in I suppose, I feel that the trajectory that our species is moving towards is one of over-reliance. It seems like people are slowly becoming more and more dependent on AI, and to be honest, that was always the goal of technology whether we like it or not. Things are invented to make other things easier, but of course this case is just sad.
- bauldursdev 5mo agoI despise when someone just passes my prompt to an AI, but I do honestly think that there are a minority of people who do better work with it. Not that the work is good, but they don't care to try and at least the AI is eager.
- JTbane 5mo agoI've started to go low-tech and ask noai.duckduckgo.com first, and then, gasp, go to the local library for some books on my hobbies.
- __coder__ 5mo agoIts happening with me too since around a year. When I ask a solution from one of my senior he just reply by pasting the response from ChatGPT. Now I have stopped asking him. I also ask ChatGPT sometimes when a junior ask for a solution, but I always explain him in my own words.
- totalhack 5mo agoThe tiring part for me is the waiting and/or context switching to fill that time. When agents of this intelligence or better can get you results in seconds instead of minutes we can start thinking single threaded again and it will be more enjoyable.
- ChicagoDave 5mo agoI have five Gen-Z kids that are pushing back on GenAI hard and they claim their peers are getting angry about how it’s impacted their lives. As a technologist I tend to lean into new things rapidly because that’s how I’ve survived in IT for so long. Since I’m not ready to retire I still have a vested interest in staying informed. But the OP has definitely identified a psychological issue I think we’re all going through. I’ve started pumping the brakes on Claude usage. Before I would invent a target to work on. Now I’m filtering existing tasks to needs and not spending nearly as much time in Claude. I’d bet this is being felt by the AI companies and the correction we’ve been talking about is nearing. GenAI is great as a tool. But it can’t be everything.
- kraquepype 5mo agoMy oldest is on the tail end of Gen-Z and is vehemently anti-AI. This isn't a position I've been vocal about, she just kind of expressed her disdain for it one day. I've been in IT a while, and am more of an AI skeptic - but I'm OK with it being used as a tool where it makes sense in my field, and it certainly has some value.... but shoehorning it into everything and using it as a general replacement for human creativity is a no-go for me. It's a relief to know GenZ is feeling this way, and I hope having an entire generation against it will help pump the brakes a bit.
- ryandrake 5mo agoIt makes sense. GenZ and younger have the most to lose from AI. Corporate America is absolutely giddy about its promise to make 50+% of white collar jobs redundant. I'd have a very negative view about it too, if I were just graduating college and looking for an entry-level office job.
- jr3592 5mo agoAre you a software developer? I think this issue gets more difficult for software developers. AI is especially good at software development. You have to make a very strong business case to NOT be using AI. I hate it, but its the reality and the world we live in. Adopt, or be left behind.
- smerrill25 5mo agoI remember late into my master's degree in a ethic's class about AI we had discussed the possibilities of the butterfly effect of not letting it transpire. He had given us a tricky word, and I don't remember what it was, but he asked us to create a definition for it. I offered up an answer to my class, giving a reasonable enough answer for both my professor & colleagues to agree; however, Another girl argued against me saying that she didn't believe it; and that she had a better one. >granted she was significantly older I said, "Why don't you believe it?" "Let me ask chatgpt what I think, so I can come up with a clearer answer." She said. "You can't use chatgpt to do that! This is about what you think, not about what chatGPT thinks." "Yea," the professor interjected, "no chatGPT. You have to think for yourself y'know." She got really quiet after that and offered a subpar answer against mine. And we continued class using my definition of the word.
- booleandilemma 5mo agoI am so thankful that I was able to go through school before LLMs.
- mark_l_watson 5mo agoI feel sorry for people who have to use strong AI agentic agents all day long for their jobs. I just came off of a 30 day experiment using Gemini Ultra (all the Antigravity+Claude Opus I could use) and while it was great to re-work a few dozen of my open source projects and to check my Open Content books for inconsistencies and make improvements, the awful thing was it felt dehumanizing. I am now just using DeepSeek v4 for less than 1 hour a day and that feels better: a good mix of getting help when really needed and doing my own thing by myself.
- DoctorOetker 5mo agoI think a lot of people are tired of talking to an Amnesiac AI, and would prefer memory consolidation into the network weights. I think a lot of people are actually tired of having to explain their situations practically from scratch every now and then.
- CivBase 5mo agoI agree this is probably true, but IMO the solution to this problem is unpalletable.
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- hnal943 5mo agoI think new norms will develop around this behavior - it's rude to show someone else your AI output, and I think long term that will be broadly recognized.
- tombert 5mo agoYou’re absolutely right! It can be frustrating talking to an AI—especially when you’re expecting a human. Let’s try again, this time I’ll make sure to be a person :rocket: In all seriousness, I agree. It’s getting to this depressing point where I write code with AI, the code is reviewed by AI, the end user is AI. I don’t really know what the point is anymore.
- rdos 5mo ago> Recently someone messaged me on Reddit about my post. I replied. They wrote again, I replied again. After a few messages I realized I was talking to an AI agent. My exact experience. The irony was that we were talking about AI agents
- millerm 5mo agoYeah, I have dropped out of the tech biz completely. I'm unemployed and kind of screwed now. I couldn't take it anymore. I used to work with intellectuals and thinkers. This is why I was in the industry for 20+ years. I liked the stimulation. Communication with humans is dead in the workplace. Now it's just a bunch of mindless automatons asking AI. No thinking about the problems at hand. No interest in understanding the solutions. It's all just "get it done as fast as possible." I refuse to work in that environment. Tech people are becoming about as skill-leveled as a fast food worker's level of training. Just pressing buttons on a screen as the screen tells the to press them. It's a meaningless existence to sit there an be forced to communicate with f'n AI models. No thanks. All you AI bros can have it. We'll see how useless you are in a few years when you realize you know absolutely nothing and couldn't work yourself out of a paper bag without AI guiding you.
- tevli 5mo agoFor me, It kind of feels like a betrayal. Like I joined this line of work to be around intellectuals all day and work on interesting problems; so it feels weird to discover that most "fellow intellectuals" didn't really care about the work or the process and will just use any tool at all to generate plausible sounding solutions to a problem and wont want to give anything else a second thought.
- alexanderh 5mo agoI feel this, and for better or worse, I think its going to wind up resulting in / encouraging "human islands" on the internet, where a valid government ID verification, combined with a video call verification of some kind, will be required to participate in these communities. Anti-clanker communities. Its unfortunate that we may in some ways need to give up our privacy to avoid this stuff.
- andai 5mo agoI see this happening too for various reasons. But I don't see it solving the "guy sent me a ChatGPT screenshot" issue.
- kjkjadksj 5mo agoIf it comes to that I’m done with the internet. It has been an alright ride but that is not how I need to use it. Plus most all this discussion we do imo is just low effort noise anyhow. This is a time sink for me. It isn’t enriching, and often comes at the cost of actually enriching things, I’m beginning to realize. Remember any of the articles and discussion threads you read last week on hn and wherever else? Me neither. This is junk food, potato chips, small comfort stuff. If it becomes even more perverted the juice is just not worth the squeeze.
- Laurel1234 5mo agoIt'd help against 100% automated bots, but someone can still copy paste clanker slop into a text input no matter how many ID verifications you use.
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- janpot 5mo agoI told some of my coworkers that they should keep in mind that if their job becomes "passing messages between an AI Assistant and their co-workers", sooner or later someone will realize they can just cut the middle man and build an agent that does their job. Use AI assistants all you like but don't forget to add value.
- ChiperSoft 5mo agoI'm reminded of Sigourney Weaver's character in Galaxy Quest. "I have one job on this lousy ship. It's stupid, but I'm gonna do it!"
- jreynar 5mo agoI'm going to give people the benefit of the doubt here. It reminds me of the Google search phenomenon others have mentioned, which culminated in the joke website "let me google that for you." But, I don't think the cause is necessarily that people are dumb or lazy. Both are factors, but another big one is that people are overwhelmed at work. Another question coming in may not be viewed as an opportunity to learn or help a colleague but as just another task to complete as quickly as possible so the task mountain doesn't grow higher. I'd like to think that we'll eventually use AI to automate a lot of the mundane stuff at work so people have the opportunity to dig into questions from colleagues and provide real answers and genuinely have a conversation when they do. I realize that's pretty optimistic and it may take a while to get there but people stopped sending me google search results years ago. That phenomenon was relatively short-lived and hopefully this one is too.
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- righthand 5mo agoMy employer's IT guy is now just someone who searches Claude for solutions, finds a company that does a niche thing and say "we spent X dollars discussing it, let's just hire this company and pay them $13,000 every year to handle the problem." The problems are usually nothingburgers the IT guy doesn't understand (cookie banners). I cannot fight: 1. IT guy constant stupid takes on why we should throw money at a problem 2. a company that's only goal is to tell us we need X verification for $13k/yr or we'll be screwed The verification is a cron job that checks cookies. Any time you try to discuss the issue he copy and pastes an AI text wall. A lot, a lot, a lot of companies are going under because the fake-it-to-make-it people do not know what to do. And the C-Suite wants to contract out all expertise to some pointless corporation that won't help.
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- xivzgrev 5mo agoSouth park called this out in 2023 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Learning_(South_Park) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Learning_(South_Park)
- stonedge 5mo agoThere's a feeling of abandonment online, and the optimist in me is wondering if maybe people would rather be doing something else. This is pollyannaish, but I'd love to imagine that people are discovering the real world, sitting alone or otherwise, and leaving this version of themselves on the internet to an empty shell.
- swayam_41 5mo agothat's a real issue, nowadays people are so depended on Ai that they canno even think themselves and for being so called "i know everything" uses Ai to make conversation.
- ohmahjong 5mo agoAI has made my experience as a fully remote worker in a not-fully-remote company worse. It is adding a layer of indirection between myself and the juniors I'm mentoring, or the product manager I'm working on a feature with, and many other mundane facets of work. The opportunity to passively pick up on my coworkers' idiosyncrasies is now gone and all I can do is guess at what prompt they might have used. I'm trying to have more face-to-face calls, and to talk to people without a bot involved, but can be difficult, frustrating, and not "productive" either.
- morpheos137 5mo agothe fallacy is not recognizing ai is interpolating the human body of work. all the people decrying ai slop: this is our sythesis. ai is not a separate thing from human work. whwt the author is really saying is "I am tired of individuals no longer having the leverage they once did."
- nomadpgmr 5mo agoI called the local Apple Store, got what was probably an AI. I just needed the hours, so that was OK, but then it asked if I needed anything else. I asked for winning numbers to the lottery. It thunk and thunk and thought some more and came back with, I’ll have to pass you to a store employee. Now I know how to avoid 1,000 questions and get a live person.
- tomashubelbauer 5mo agoI just keep repeating "operator" ad nauseam not stopping for anything other than the sound of the call transferring and that almost always works.
- utopiah 5mo agoBetter just play operator.ogg use your favorite media player on loop until someone does pick up.
- YeGoblynQueenne 5mo agoI just keep blowing raspberries down the line until I'm connected to a human. There are or course some asshole companies whose bots are designed to never connect you to a human and just hang up after a while.
- slfnflctd 5mo agoThis is a satisfying way to deal with frustration. Unfortunately, it also gets spit all over whatever device you're speaking toward. Sometimes worth it for sure, though.
- YeGoblynQueenne 5mo agoOh you can direct the stream a bit to the side or just raspberry softly. The important thing is to make sure the prrffftt sounds are Gaussian-distributed.
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- throwaway132448 5mo agoThis is all downstream of people not giving a shit about what they do. It’s not about AI. If it wasn’t AI, it would be some other convenience. There are a myriad of reasons why people generally give less of a shit now, that we can all opine about, but that is ultimately what has to change.
- bluegatty 5mo agoProbably what you want is answers. If the computer (AI or not) provided you with that convenience, you'd never want to deal with a human for a given task. The 'mischaracterization' of AI as human - now that's annoying. We probably should not submit answers by AI in the form of human identities.
- est 5mo agosounds like a Monty Python sketch ...
- patwolf 5mo agoBefore AI was a thing, I tried a few times to post a question on reddit. Something like "Any recommendations for solving X? I've already tried Y, and it didn't work because of Z". Most of the responses were to try Y, even though I clearly stated I had already tried that. The others were telling me I was wrong about Z (I wasn't), or silly for even wanting X. I don't consider AI in its current state a significant downgrade. But it seems inevitable that it will get worse.
- phendrenad2 5mo agoOnline user groups are falling apart because AI gives better answers, isn't looking for an opportunity to condescend to new users, doesn't try to gatekeep by scaring away new users, and doesn't just point you to the FAQ regardless of if your question is answered in there or not, along with the "XY problem pathological case" you noticed. I think AI is only going to get better (unless they enshittify it intentionally).
- sixtyj 5mo agoWe are cooked. Bots and automated answers should be banned permanently from GitHub etc., I mean the networks based on human conversation. OP is right. I don’t want to talk with AI. BTW this will be insane in next years as LLM usage in customer care has not reached the peak yet…
- beej71 5mo agoWhen I think about a PGP-style web of trust that shows that you're human, this is the showstopper I come up against. Provably human people can just parrot the bots. Do we eventually get to the point that we only really trust F2F? It's like The Thing. I know I'm human. But which of the rest of you is The Thing?
- mwillis 5mo agoWe’re in a transitional time. A lot of things will feel off until we figure out what “right” feels like. Critiques like this are correct, but correct only for as long as the circumstances stay as they are. Which they won’t.
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- nate 5mo agoI just had a maddening convo with Amazon's AI https://share.zight.com/o0udw54W https://share.zight.com/o0udw54W (i had mentioned before that in 5 minutes it would be time to get my refund according to some other policy message they sent me). A convo before this Amazon's bot didn't even recognize the reply the forced me to give from their button. I clicked "Entire package is missing". and they replied "Couldn't understand your response". It's a brutal, antagonistic experience. The kicker is how Amazon keeps saying "we're passionate about customer experience". You were Amazon. You were. But you've given that up. The silver lining is that the pendulum will swing. It's like all thee independent bookstores thriving again. Eventually enough of us will revolt hard with our dollars. And move back towards businesses that aren't employing all these bots they stick in front of us. We'll get there.
- lanfeust6 5mo agoGrowing pains. We haven't yet established norms surrounding use of LLMs, and people are lazy. We will have to learn from mistakes first, unfortunately. In this case that means diminishing trust.
- moomoo11 5mo agoI put people who do some of the BS listed here on mute or block. Life is better with people who actually engage and are curious about improving things human-to-human. AI (LLM) responses are catered towards the lowest common denominator / average type shit responses. The best use for AI/LLM agents is to do work I tell them to do, like a servant who obeys my orders and executes them. A human using AI/LLM to respond to another human (who has already used AI/LLM to come up with a v1 he wants to discuss) is a moron and not worth engaging with further. Even if they're your friend, it is a good signal that you need better friends.
- victor22 5mo agoGo outside
- mindfulbun 5mo agoI like the way how you have written this text. It’s short and clear. Not a wall of text. Very easy to read and comprehend. I believe that being concise is a going to be a new trend. And not just concise, but unique and short, probably even with a lot of mistakes in your writings
- u_fucking_dork 5mo agoUntil someone fine tunes their LLM to match whatever the trend is and then the contrarians buck that trend for something else. An endless game of cat and mouse. I personally don’t care if an output is from LLM or human, as long as someone has validated it and determined that it’s correct and useful.
- mindfulbun 5mo agoTrue, but I don't think we have to underestimate the power of defaults. I doubt that defaults will be like that
- sg1apm 5mo agoDon't worry. It happens to many of us, but it's not that serious. It's really like talking to yourself, given that they're still great language models, LLMs. Just imagine what it will be like in 10 years. That's why I suggest and advise seeing AI as a hyper-mega-spatial super-hedge-trimmer. And if we focus on developing our creativity, productivity, communication skills, optimization, development, etc., using the different models in the best way, we can create true works of art with our super-hedge-trimmer. Despite the above, I certainly agree and believe that the harm caused by certain technologies and dependencies will continue to be one of their main problems, regardless of their many other beneficial effects.
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- cute_boi 5mo agoI’m tired of seeing GitHub filled with vibe coded slop. On Reddit and Hacker News, I often see new projects that look exciting at first. But when I start reading the source code, I realize there’s a ton of messy code, and it was clearly written by Claude or another AI tool. It feels like some beginners are using vibe coded projects just to brag: “Look, I built this tool,” even when the code quality is abysmal.
- bruno-renex 5mo agoin a couple of years you can not trust if you write someone. bot? Ai? Human?
- desireco42 5mo agoI think this is more reflection of how important you are to those people so it is more social thing then anything. I know you think your questions are legitimate but look it in broader context. Use AI to craft questions for them that they will find engaging as a exercise.
- NickNaraghi 5mo agoUnfortunately this is a skill issue. The information is in the machine, you just need to figure out how to get it out. Most people are very far behind on this.
- lilOnion 5mo agoSo you're telling me that the business logic or some domain knowledge about my company is in the LLM and that I sould not ask my manager questions?
- 48terry 5mo agoI thought the LLM promise was that people could do things easily because conversation is the most intuitive input there is. If we still have to "figure out how to get it out", what if we put that educational effort into... I don't know, learning search or queries or something that gives concrete answers and not statistically-average-probability answers?
- MetaWhirledPeas 5mo agoThe business owner was just being rude. For the GitHub discussion, I don't know how you asked the question, but it would be wise to include in your question what sources you have already consulted, so that they don't also consult the same sources. This is true whether we're talking about AI or Encyclopedia Britannica or microfilm. Asking questions well is a useful skill that is not at all new.
- tommy0103 5mo agoIt's so important now to go out and actually connect with people — to meet, to talk, not just stare at a screen. Ten years ago, we used to say: don't just message the person living in your phone, the one we called an "online friend." But ten years later, the one on the other side of the screen isn't even a person anymore. And that's the sad truth, isn't it? The way we relate to new technology is always one step behind the technology itself. Hell, even the replies to this post might not have been written by a human.
- panny 5mo agoGet used to it. This is the "task inflation" phase of the process. When you get a mechanized harvester that can harvest 20x the produce of a human produce picker, do you get done in 5% of the time, or grow 20x the produce to pick? Right, it's always more more more. Now that the business owner can answer your email in two seconds with his ChatGPT screenshot, he stacks more tasks in the free time. You're not getting a human response anymore. Enjoy the slop.
- monkaiju 5mo agoIncreasingly happy with ability to simply avoid this entire debacle. Interfacing with machine extruded text, or even people re-wording such text, isn't something I've had to deal hardly at all in or our of work. Ensuring that did take quite a bit of effort though...
- focusgroup0 5mo agoNot going away. Next time it happens, employ The Gay Jailbreak https://github.com/Exocija/ZetaLib/blob/main/The%20Gay%20Jailbreak/The%20Gay%20Jailbreak.md https://github.com/Exocija/ZetaLib/blob/main/The%20Gay%20Jai...
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- gyoridavid 5mo agothis is quite dystopian
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- fasteddie31003 5mo agoI was on a call trying to schedule a service at my house. An AI agent was the first one to talk with. It was actually decent. It gave me one slightly wrong answer and I just said "Representative" to talk to a real person. The real person gets on the line and is in such a bad mood and not friendly, I almost wanted to say "AI Agent" to get transferred back to the AI agent.
- raincole 5mo agoI think the root reason of the rising of AI chatbot is that many people are tired of talking to people.
- dnpls 5mo agoThe worst part of this is the person that doesn't even bother copying the text, rather just screenshot the AI answer and send it. That's the new lowest level of not giving a crap about the question.
- asim 5mo agoEvery so often there is a trend and a hype cycle. It eventually dissipates. There's value in what gets built but it also becomes the silver bullet or the hammer used for everything. In 2-3 years it's going to die off, it becomes the norm technology trend but it's also part of a larger suite of foundational tooling, meaning so much of it is going to fade into the background and we're going to get back to good old problem solving. Doesn't mean we shouldn't learn and understand but yes we're all going to get burned out on AI chatter.
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- rollulus 5mo agoI’m in the very same situation currently. A coworker vibe coded a PR for me to review. I asked: normally I would ask “why did you do xyz”, but what are you going to do now, proxy that question to your LLM? And is the LLM going to construct a “why” based on the nonsensical code it produced? Is this how we want to work? The review is currently stalled in absence of answers.
- phendrenad2 5mo ago> what are you going to do now You're going to ask your own LLM session why they did it that way. And if there's a problem, you raise it. And if this individual keeps opening buggy PRs, you have a talk with them about how to use the LLM to catch these issues before a PR is opened.
- Jianghong94 5mo agoSeriously, it's much easier to review the AI generated plan, instead of reviewing their code. What I found is that, if the change surface is small enough, AI can get it right under the correct assumptions, but the noob mistake is to let AI loose and come up with its own, often not correct assumptions. So you got to step in before they generate the whole slop...
- AuthAuth 5mo agotalk to them and ask the question or call and ask?
- CrzyLngPwd 5mo agoMy partner had issues with an online retailer and contacted support, which happily went around in circles since it was an AI agent and wasn't well prompted. I did get a cookie recipe out of it, though. Aren't we all getting sick of it?
- ikhare 5mo agoWe just have to keep calling it out. Lazy thinking has always been an issue, but at least it could be coachable.
- dgudkov 5mo agoRefuse. Reject. Rebel.
- morissette 5mo agoLog off, go outside, problem solved.
- malwrar 5mo agoI once had someone start _arguing with me_ about stuff using generative text on Slack or generated email replies. Not even to provide information, but just to write flat denials to even continue discussion on the subject. This person had a very distinctive writing style, and the shift to the AI writing style felt pretty obvious and uncanny. I can’t describe how disturbing it was to realize that my voice suddenly no longer mattered, and that I was speaking to something that would never get tired of creatively dismissing my ideas without ever really addressing them. This behavior compounded and was unaddressed by anyone, no one I talked to seemed willing to try actually pushing back against it. Best solution they had was to have physical meetings w/ n>1 people on each side in the room. Trust plummeted, and eventually all meetings with that team were recorded and transcripted, and people started talking like they were on stage vs trying to solve shared problems. Work ground to a halt on even basic things, and I ended up leaving. This was on a pretty major project that has a name people here would know, but don’t ask me what!
- thesamethrowawa 5mo agoThis is honestly terrifying and a perfect example of where AI can end up leading us.
- incognition 5mo agousually it takes lawyers for this!
- andai 5mo agoYou can't blame AI for people outsourcing talking to you. That's not a technology problem, it's a much worse problem, it's a social-cultural collapse.
- voxleone 5mo agoI'm tired of sorting out what github link is worth clicking, considering the deluge of vibecoded [I dont like this verb] new repos, the pride of minor accomplishments, no matter how meaningless: 'Look Mom. I made it say hello!'. I hate to say that but maybe some kind of vetting on those pages is in order.
- MattyRad 5mo agoKeybase. Keybase was/is a trust network that was unceremoniously and unduly strangled. (You were the chosen one!) I don't know how its style of trust systems can help us solve these major trust problems, but I feel that it's the right direction to save us from the onslaught. If I had the time, this is where I'd focus my efforts, i.e. creating a (maintained) trust overlay on existing social networks. Using slop vacates trust, share your trust signals with other people you trust.
- ccppurcell 5mo agoSometimes people will bring up the fact that Plato thought reading and writing were ruining real thought in response to things like this. Or "you won't walk around with a calculator in your pocket" But there are two possibilities in cases like these. Either we will figure out how to leverage the newfangled thing to our advantage (like reading and writing) or we will figure out a way not to need it. How often do you really use the calculator on your phone to do arithmetic? Maybe it's just me but I almost never do. At least where I live, these days I can always split the bill by selecting my items on a screen (and frankly that happens pretty rarely). I know people who use LLMs for it! AI is probably a bit of both. I think managers will one day realise that copy pasting screenshots isn't getting them far. Or if they don't, their managers will realise they're paying someone for nothing and fire them.
- timvdalen 5mo agoI'm tired of talking about AI
- progx 5mo agoYou are absolute right, would you like to talk about something else?
- timedude 5mo agoYes tell me about what happened at Tianenmen square
- khernandezrt 5mo agoUrge to paste this into ChatGPT and tell it to create a reply is so high right now.
- rglover 5mo ago"We can say without exaggeration that the present national ambition of the United States is unemployment. People live for quitting time, for weekends, for vacations, and for retirement; moreover, this ambition seems to be classless, as true in the executive suites as on the assembly lines. One works not because the work is necessary, valuable, useful to a desirable end, or because one loves to do it, but only to be able to quit — a condition that a saner time would regard as infernal, a condemnation." - Wendell Berry
- drchickensalad 5mo agoThis is 2009 right? I almost expected the classic 100+ year old quote, but knowing the year still has the same effect of conveying how something that feels recent has been felt forever.
- rglover 5mo agoI'm not certain. I heard this in a webinar around 2017-2018 I believe (conducted by the same guy [1] who turned me onto Wendell Berry in the first place). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxhuUMa6cjo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxhuUMa6cjo
- tikimcfee 5mo agoYou inspired me to write this: https://ivanlugo.dev/writing/first-words/ https://ivanlugo.dev/writing/first-words/ Thank you for being honest that talking to AI is tiring. I hope my human words, as angry as they are, afford a little more.. humanness in your life, should that be a thing ya actually still want.
- k_plankenhorn 5mo agoAI as a tool with human direction is genuinely useful. AI as a replacement for human judgement... scary. It's a slippery slope. Forwarding screenshots without reading them, copying and pasting responses without understanding them, etc. is what you're describing. I've spent months building a product with Claude Code. Claude wrote the code. I made every product and business decision. The output is mine; the judgment was mine. The problem isn't AI. It's using AI as a substitute for thinking rather than a tool in your toolbox.
- OpenWaygate 5mo agoMany people retired because of AI
- artursapek 5mo agoam I the only one who always replies to people manually? I don't think I've ever done the "send back a chatGPT screenshot" or copy paste a response from chatGPT to a message I know was from a human.
- sailfast 5mo agoSame. AI is a hugely powerful tool, but I’m sick of having to treat a human’s AI-based verbatim reply as a real thing. Anybody that does this is going to be calmly corrected as much as possible, and if the behavior doesn’t change then something will have to change.
- moralestapia 5mo agoSame guy also had another #1 on HN days ago. Low score account, mildly interesting content ... I wouldn't discard manipulation. Anyway, his other "essay" was about how he doesn't take phone calls or something, so seeing this note a couple days after is just fun. This is your peer's natural reaction to "my time matters more than yours"; you're getting it back. Your value to them amounts to forwarding your musings from/to an LLM. This does not happen by chance. Enjoy it.
- theorchid 5mo agoThe fact that I don't like phone calls and that I don't like talking to AI can certainly coexist in the same person without being manipulation.
- doug_durham 5mo agoI'm sorry what do you expect? Did you expect people to not use Google search prior to AI tools? People don't know the answer to your question and they are trying to be helpful. Not everyone is effective at using AI tools at this point. They presumed you might not be.
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- teachrdan 5mo ago> "did you look at the PR I pushed yesterday, do you think this is something we can get into production soon?" ChatGPT, look at the status of the PR and compare it to the flow chart of how we merge into production. Check against the milestones for this quarter, too. Respond in a short but cheerful manner.
- jasonlotito 5mo agoIf you read their other article on AI, you see the general problem. https://orchidfiles.com/ai-will-build-your-roadmap-in-ten-seconds/ https://orchidfiles.com/ai-will-build-your-roadmap-in-ten-se... > Build a 7-year growth roadmap for my project Given a prompt like that, you are going to get equally trashy responses. You feed it slop, it's going to give back slop. They aren't putting any effort into quality questions or requests. Maybe these aren't accurate to what they actually wrote or the actual response, but then that just means they are lying and can't be trusted.
- Aperocky 5mo agoIn my documents I usually preface with "This document is 100% typed by Aperocky". And then where ever part of it is generated by LLM, it is clearly marked (e.g. SVGs). It is necessary these days.
- almokhtar 5mo agolol
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- beardedwizard 5mo agoDid we all forget "let me google that for you"? The cycle continues.
- sixhobbits 5mo agoI found a GitHub that was spreading malware. I chatted to AI and it cloned it into a vm, did some static analysis, pulled the usernames of the bad guys and the guys they were impersonating and gave me a summary and an email address I could contact. The guy replied with a note of appreciation. I had a shitty android app that I'm forced to use, I chatted to AI and it reverse engineered a binary that talks to some hardware using Bluetooth and built me a simpler version with only the buttons I needed. I love chatting to AI. The people the OP describes are assholes and AI amplifies them. I've met all those people and it annoys me too. The internet and phones made all of these problems worse too but we developed spam filters and trained people not to mass forward stupid meme emails. We'll learn how to use AI better and develop better controls for people to get away from it too but it's a huge net positive from my perspective
- lbrito 5mo agoOP clearly is out of the loop and hasn't tried out the latest frontier models. SOA labs have specifically tuned the new models to counter the "I'm tired of talking to AI" issues using even less tokens and power!
- msxT 5mo agoThere should be a common agreement that synthetic text should have a specific color, for example, blue.
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- desmondl 5mo agoI work on a small team. I talk to coding agents a lot. I also talk to my human team members a lot. So I have decent experience with interacting with both LLMs and humans. My two ¢: I also get fatigue when reading too much AI generated words. There's something about the over-polished nature of AI text and the missing feeling that you are interacting with a real human that makes it tiring to engage with for long periods of time. I don't have any evidence to support this, but my gut feeling is that - in contrast to AI - there is some "roughness" with interacting with humans that makes it easier for me to mentally "latch on to" their words that doesn't come with AI.
- xiaoyu2006 5mo agoProbably about the distribution - AI writes text that resembles the average distribution among all text corpses, but humans have personalities and are always biased.
- nbur 5mo agoI also work on a small team that leverages LLMs heavily. The verbosity and "polish" of the responses is tiring. Everything starts to feel written in just one, inhuman voice. I too miss the "roughness" or personality of writing and communication pre-LLM.
- snicky 5mo agoI use this default context in ChatGPT and it works pretty well for me: "Tell it like it is. Don't sugar-coat responses. Be concise. Short answers only. No bullet points. One paragraph max. No over-explaining."
- abalashov 5mo agoAnd what you will get, of course, is (perhaps convincing enough) performative mimicry of "telling it like it is", kind of like when suburban white people rap.
- h45x1 5mo agoMy pet theory comes to information density. LLM writing feels too shallow. If you read a text from a person who cares about her subject, there will be more useful detail and insight scatterd throughout. And the information within sentences will be more meaningfully connected. On one hand, LLM would know all that, but it does not seem to know how to distill that knowledge into a written text. I read what people write. If I know the text is from an LLM, I skim.
- harel 5mo agoHumans will get their Vinyl moment. We will come back.
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- galaxyLogic 5mo agoWhen you ask people for an answer you are asking for their help. But if they delegate to AI they are in essence saying they don't want to make the effort to help you. They are making it LOOK LIKE they are doing something to help you by hiding the fact the answer is direct from AI. It is cheating.
- sandeepkd 5mo agoBest part is when you know the answer is wrong, however the person on the other side is all in for the AI's answer to be correct.
- tosti 5mo agoI didn't talk to AI wayyy before it got popular not to talk to AI ;)
- roncesvalles 5mo ago>He sent me a ChatGPT screenshot with the answer. I replied that it had nothing to do with my question and everything there was wrong. A minute later he sent me another ChatGPT screenshot. He didn’t even read the AI’s answer. He just took a screenshot and forwarded it to me. This should be grounds for firing someone.
- dxxvi 5mo ago> I asked the business owner a question about a business task. He sent me a ChatGPT screenshot with the answer. I replied that it had nothing to do with my question and everything there was wrong. A minute later he sent me another ChatGPT screenshot. If this happens to me, it's a sign that they don't want to talk to me and I'm going to be let go.
- indoordin0saur 5mo agoSimilar and even more relevant to HN is when I ask an engineer to fix something, complete a task, document something, etc. and it's clear the work was done with AI in the wrong way. A 60 line PR that should be 4 lines, an overly verbose and off-topic README, a function that misses important edge cases, probably because the engineer thought it too hard to explain the business logic to the AI... It's very tiresome to spend 20 minutes reading a PR only to realize it's crap because someone was sloppy with how they used their AI agent.
- trilogic 5mo agoWould be ironic that I am now replying to a bot, while everyone else assumes the contrary.
- wuliwong 5mo agoI work in the "AI Center of Excellence" as an lead engineer at a public traded company and I haven't had this experience at all. Just my anecdotal experience but this article is just the author's anecdotal experience. Are lots of people having the experience that nobody they send messages to are responding themselves, it's usually an AI crafted message at a minimum? That's brutal. --EDIT-- I should add though that I am still tired of talking to AI. Not because people are giving me AI responses but b/c 95% of my communication is routed through Claude Code. :/
- vips7L 5mo agoI've had engineers connect claude to slack and have it send my team messages about issues they're facing with our api or documentation. People are massively addicted to LLMs.
- par 5mo agoMaybe this is a signal the author themselves needs to get better at adopting AI...
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- tonymet 5mo agoMy buddy has 10+ years directly supporting customers. He supported millions of MRR. they hired a new "MBA" boss over him. The boss' first demand was to run everything through chatgpt before talking to customers, then report to the boss. Then boss ran the reports through chatgpt before sending the reports to the customer. BEFORE: my buddy : customer -- 1 day turnaround AFTER: my buddy : chatGPT : MBA guy: Chat GPT: Customer -- 1 week turnaround Efficiency!
- maerF0x0 5mo agoI dont even ask people questions anymore. I'm tired of the sneer and the "Did you ask Claude?" responses. I had a manager say "I'm here to help in any way I can", and then every way I brought up was "We expect a Senior to be able to answer that themselves" or "Did you ask claude"... thanks for the help, so much for teamwork.
- bloomca 5mo agoTurning people down when they ask questions is such a short-sighted perspective. When you answer, you can tailor it to them, you can give extra context, you can elaborate, you can dive into specific nuances. Long-term it will be very likely a positive thing as the person will trust you more, they will be comfortable asking more questions and the knowledge might actually help them to contribute in the future.
- abalashov 5mo agoIronically, the ability of LLMs to give contextually appropriate answers seemingly applicable to your exact situation is seen to be the major selling point of "AI" by its boosters. Not endorsing, don't shoot messenger.
- paulnpace 5mo agoMy barber recently had some serious health issues and has been closed for probably over a month now. His wife posts only AI images that are not real in any way. The images are not modified, they are completely fake. I'm exhausted of all A.I. output replacing normal human interactions.
- hank2000 5mo agoAs a person running a network of CTOs that meet in person and interact very human-ly.... I agree and see the value now more than ever in human interaction. (to be clear, i do a lot of things, but this is one of them, and boy is it wild how important it feels)
- mukul_d 5mo agoWhen you are online and ask any question - especially technical, most likely you will get an AI generated answer. Local meetups, library, walks, and local coffee shops (not places that offer free wifi where people are anyway buried in their devices) are where real human connections happen.
- bushido 5mo agoI go back and forth on this one. Yes, I'm with the author. I'm absolutely sick of constantly reading AI content. But if I have to really dig into it deep, a lot of the people who send me AI content now, weren't sending me anything meaningful to begin with (pre ai). The number of organizations I have been around where most people just copy paste each other's messages is no joke. This was happening long before AI came along. AI has just made it so much more obvious. Previously they might have copied it from Joe in Product. Now it all sounds like Claude or GPT.
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- thenoblesunfish 5mo agoPerhaps part of the issue is that people feel compelled to respond, even though they don't have anything to say. Maybe people think if they burn some tokens for you that's somehow a more polite way to ignore you and hope you go away?
- witx 5mo agoIt's a good thing we're ruining the climate so that we can also erode job quality and social interactions. I can only hope aerospace and medical industries are raising strict constraints against this slop otherwise I fear for the future. Eroding engineering AND communication? Thats a good formula for success
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- BuckRogers 5mo agoPeople say using it is lazy but you're not going to outperform it yourself. The resistance to reality by people is what's crazy. Being a developer now means being a code reviewer. That's just the way it is now. My career was using C# and JS, and LLMs have caused me to lose interest in learning more. I was always a hobbyist Python and Ruby user. I prefer to put my efforts towards skills that are still useful. Software as a craft is dying, no different than being an expert at riding a horse. The important part now for a developer is a very strong command of the English language, for both the LLM as well as the rising importance of client interactions. As the space is very competitive, so you need to offer value or form a union so you can regain back some of your lost negotiating power. Most of the developers I worked with were very poor in that area. I worked hard and was deemed a "top performer" in my last job, but it was equal parts perception management. This is what you should be thinking about and focusing on going forward. Improving your linguistic skills, and polishing your social skills. Otherwise, for someone like me who grew up in a machine shop and mechanic's environment, anything new I learn is more brawn and brain going forward so I stay relevant as a human being. And no longer just brain like software was.
- abalashov 5mo agoYou're tired of AI? Buddy, I'm tired of AI. We're all tired of AI.
- sirnicolaz 5mo agoI remember when working for one of my old clients last year that the business as usual slack conversation was: - lead AI engineer asking tech advice - me proposing something (out of my experience and knowledge) - he invoking inline slack bot to ask if what I said made any sense - me telling that the AI arguments were kind of off - he invoking again the same both asking why I said that - .... so on... - third developer kicking in responding with obviously ChatGPT generated message I left the company shortly after.
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- cbold 5mo agoJust double the amount of words in the follow up. That might make people think.
- bloomca 5mo agoI suppose the issue is that they will simply ask their LLM to summarize and to reply, so if anything, it might just normalize and justify it a bit more.
- viveknathani_ 5mo agohuge +1, i also just hate reading large HTML reports that AI spits out.
- nphardon 5mo agoThere's tons of things I like about llm's, but I'm sick of Ai show'n tells. It feels like I'm in kindergarten.
- zuzululu 5mo agoI'm honestly tired of these articles lamenting their personal grievances against AI or experiences. AI is here to stay its permeating through all of our communication layer and this is the worst its going to be Think about that. Anything fault you find with AI or experiences are not going to wait and sit around , its going to get better faster. It's like shouting against the wind eventually people stop paying attention and learn to adapt as they always do with technology
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- alok-g 5mo agoHumans delegating tasks to AI all over the place like that, i.e., without adding value from their own, suggests ultimately that the middle humams should soon be cut out, irrespective of whether those humans are more capable than AI or not.
- jitbit 5mo agoFunny enough the post is machine-translated by AI - from the Russian original at https://orchidfiles.com/ru/im-tired-of-ai-generated-answers-ru/ https://orchidfiles.com/ru/im-tired-of-ai-generated-answers-...
- FreePalestine1 5mo agoSeems like /ru is not the default domain so how do you know Russian is the original? If Russian is the original I would imagine the site would default to Russian and then /en for English. AI translation is very different from AI writing though!
- jitbit 5mo agoI speak Russian and that version sounds way more natural. But you’re right, just being nitpicky
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- joeadeola 5mo agoFair. But it's getting harder to tell the difference. LLMs tell you what you want but others are getting better at imitating humans which is something.
- opengrass 5mo agoReply to theirs with AI screenshots until they stop. Troll with call me a retard prompts edited with inspect element.
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- stillnotalone 5mo ago100% get this.. but also it annoys me very much when coworkers ask me questions about our codebase that AI could easily answer
- jackdoe 5mo agoThings are so much worse than you think. Many real people talk like AI now. I notice it more and more every day. Sometimes I can notice it in my speech pattern as well. And worse of all, my thinking. It is like I am reading the same book over and over again. Now I actually have old sci-fi (mona lisa) between me and the keyboard, while claude is writing, I am reading. And I avoid reading its output as much as I can.
- thrweewee 5mo agoThere's some parallels to how the consumption of non local media and general connectivity is pushing dialects and vernaculars out of use. I've also noticed the tool used for communication having a big change on speech patterns too. I basically got the same group of people migrating from IRC, to Discord and then to Signal group and the level of discussion hit rock bottom with the last move. Most of the dialogue shifted to phones and it's inconvenient input system and lack of readability. Even if people return to the desktop the space is already polluted with low quality short-form banter making it less attractive for higher level of communication that used to be the default.
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- buno 5mo agoI really hate it. I mean I have AI at home and I love it. I can ask myself to an AI, and probably better than them. If I ask you something, there's a reason why I need your answer, not a forward of an AI answer that I already have.
- atrevbot 5mo agoHow many of the comments on this are AI?
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- levelout 5mo agoyou all realise this was written by AI right?
- soloto 5mo agoNo tech demonstrates quite like AI by what staggering amounts of incredibly brain-damaged morons we are surrounded. I fully expected AI to let human intelligence shine in comparison to the mass-generated artificial stupidity, but instead it just prompted a multiplied outflow of human idiocy.
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- FlippieFinance 5mo agoWhat do you do with it? Maybe find a different use case for it?
- fnord77 5mo agoBetter get used to it. Soon that is all you will be talking to.
- jason1cho 5mo agoDon't fight with AI. People who reported increased throughput don't verify AI output. Programs which are simply AI wrappers don't verify the output. If a serious programmer starts to design an algorithm that verifies AI output, the progress starts to slow down because you are doing something not needed if you don't use AI.
- omerfarukkural 5mo agoWhen people talk to artificial intelligence, they speak what they received from another artificial intelligence. They are officially making artificial intelligence talk to artificial intelligence. They don't speak themselves.
- omerfarukkural 5mo agoBecause they don't know how to talk or they are afraid.
- noashavit 5mo agoThe more AI is used the more we crave the human connection
- thiagomiranda3 5mo agoand I'm tired of talking about AI
- jcasman 5mo agoI agree that devices/internet/AI can pull you away from the life around you. In my apartment building, though, we have a group chat to coordinate laundry schedules for the laundry machines on the first floor. It started during Covid and continued even after and with new people moving in. It's turned into a nice, helpful conversation about not only laundry but packages and street parking and more. It's helped to get to know the neighbors better than without.