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Steam Machine

• dustbunny 11mo ago
  I priced out an upgrade for my machine: Radeon 9070XT, motherboard and PSU, coming in at roughly $1000. Part of me knows I should probably just buy this instead.
• gigatexal 11mo ago
  Any idea on cost? Wish the GPU had 12 or 16GB of ram but this is serviceable. I think I’ll wait for the gen2.
  • lifty 11mo ago
    2034
• flakiness 11mo ago
  I'm still waiting for Steam Deck 2! Come on!
  • Narishma 11mo ago
    They already said there won't be a successor until a significantly more powerful and power-efficient SoC than what they are currently using is available.
    • flakiness 11mo ago
      Ugh I was about to downvote you but thanks for the tip. A Snapdragon would be perfect for a handheld. Hope the "machine" goes well and they change their mind.
• mojoe 11mo ago
  Steam is the only reason I have a Windows desktop, I'll probably just get one of these next time I want a hardware refresh (which admittedly will probably be many years). Interesting that it uses KDE Plasma for the desktop
  • lordleft 11mo ago
    I like SteamOS a great deal, though it's not my daily driver (yet). I'm curious if people will begin to use it as a daily driver and thus expect Valve to be an OS developer on top of creating software for their gaming hardware. That's a different set of expectations and I wonder how they'll navigate it.
    • embedding-shape 11mo ago
      > thus expect Valve to be an OS developer on top of creating software for their gaming hardware. That's a different set of expectations and I wonder how they'll navigate it. They've been doing it since Steam Deck launched, or even since they started to contribute to Proton/Wine (depending on exactly what you see "OS" to be). They seem to have grips on it more or less already, Deck upgrades are a breeze and the machine and software itself is open enough for a Linux hacker like me to be very comfortable on it, and also closed down enough for my nieces to not be able to brick theirs by just tapping around.
      • oersted 11mo ago
        Indeed, even much earlier. With Steam Deck they achieved wider adoption but the first generation of Steam Machines came out in 2015 and they have been committed to the SteamOS linux distro since then.
        • embedding-shape 11mo ago
          Yeah, I'm sure you're right overall, they've been at it for a long time. I think it's worth keeping in mind that all of the SteamOS'es before Steam Deck were pretty much nothing like the current (3.0) iteration. If I recall correctly, I think they were based on Ubuntu or Debian, compared to the current Arch Linux distribution.
      • keyringlight 11mo ago
        They seem to have worked it out well by limiting SteamOS to their hardware, so they don't have to handle all the varieties a regular distro has to. There's a significant number of people who want an 'official' release as a regular installable distro but I doubt it'll happen and Valve are happy to delegate that to others
• fph 11mo ago
  How much?
• teroshan 11mo ago
  https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamframe https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamframe [1] > Steam Frame is a PC, and runs SteamOS powered by a Snapdragon® 8 Series Processor. With 16GB of RAM, Steam Frame supports stand-alone play on a growing number of both VR and non-VR games without needing to stream from your PC. So Steam + Proton works on aarch64? Is this something already available/supported, or is this an announcement? [1] Steam Frame, which is the VR Headset releasing alongside the Steam Machine. Dedicated discussion here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45903325 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45903325
  • sylens 11mo ago
    I think this is a form of an announcement but without many details. I'm curious to see how well it works
  • jsheard 11mo ago
    Valve has been quietly working on integrating the FEX x86 emulator into Proton for a while, and it's official now. https://www.tomshardware.com/peripherals/gaming-headsets/hands-on-with-valves-new-steam-frame-headset-arm-powered-mixed-mode-device-uses-new-fex-translation-layer-for-traditional-x86-games https://www.tomshardware.com/peripherals/gaming-headsets/han...
    • teroshan 11mo ago
      Valve deciding to support Arm-based gaming is HUGE news
    • Yokolos 11mo ago
      https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/1493 https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/1493 This is fun, just found this issue from 2018 which was closed with this comment: > Hello @setsunati, this is not a realistic objective for Proton. As @rkfg, mentions wine for ARM does not magically make x86 based games work on ARM cpus. > Even if Steam were brought to ARM, and an x86 emulation layer was run underneath wine, the amount of games that could run fast and without hitting video driver quirks is small enough not to entertain this idea any time in the near future. It's mentioned in this issue https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/8136 https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/8136 which was closed Oct 2024 with this comment by kisak-valve: > Hello @Theleafir1, similar to #1493, this is not a realistic objective for Proton any time in the near future.
• Ekaros 11mo ago
  >RAM 16GB DDR5 + 8GB GDDR6 VRAM Hmm. Not that it is big deal, but I would be somewhat worried about true longevity with the VRAM. Not sure if SteamOS helps there, but on PC some new titles are going over the 8GB VRAM.
  • keyringlight 11mo ago
    One of the things I've noted for a while is that PC gaming as a platform seems to be polarizing between high and low spec, especially if you look outside of North America/Western Europe to places like South America or SE Asia. The steam deck and now this seem to be a reference/target platform for the low spec group. It might not be able to play the prestigious high spec titles well if at all, but so long as "your mileage may vary" is messaged well I can't see it being a problem, it hasn't so far.
    • SchemaLoad 11mo ago
      There's a certain category of person who spends thousands of dollars seemingly just to see bigger numbers in benchmarks and to flex their consumerism on people. I've seen quite a lot of commenting about how certain games are "unplayable" on the steam deck, games which I have been playing just fine. I just turn the settings down to low and enjoy the game.
    • rollcat 11mo ago
      The main appeal of a console (for both consumers and developers) is that's it's a "stupid" and "fixed" device. Your game either runs well on it or it doesn't, but you can always count on this remaining consistent prior to shipping it. If Steam Machine gains enough foothold, it will be treated like a console. It won't run the latest title in 4K@120, but the title will still run great on default settings.
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    • Doxin 11mo ago
      Honestly I'm hoping the steam machine is gonna put some pressure on game devs to knock it off with the absurdly high spec requirements. There's plenty of modern titles that require a top of the line card that don't look any better than 10yr old games.
• reactordev 11mo ago
  These links open the Steam app on my phone and crash. :(
  • teroshan 11mo ago
    Opening them in a private tab circumvents that behavior (at least for me)
  • everdrive 11mo ago
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  • phreack 11mo ago
    I had to install the app to try and work around a problem with Steam, and then had the same problems just browsing. You can probably disable that behavior, but I ended up just uninstalling the app entirely. The support experience was so bad that I got really soured on Valve, and can't even get excited for these announcements now.
    • reactordev 11mo ago
      If I uninstall the app, I’m unable to login to Steam due to 2FA.
  • hollow-moe 11mo ago
    Forcing the use of the steam app for 2FA is such an ass move. Keeping this as a reminder of Valve still being a corporation with interests that can shift to the worst in a single day.
    • aniviacat 11mo ago
      KeePassXC supports Steam's TOTP.
      • hollow-moe 11mo ago
        I sure won't call reverse engineered function and root mandatory to extract the keys from the app, "not forcing the user".
• hyperpl 11mo ago
  Wonder if there is a good remote with voice input to use for YouTube and Kodi so I can replace my shield TV.
  • Loughla 11mo ago
    I haven't had any problems with my shield since the update that killed it about 3 years ago. Or maybe I've just gotten used to it? Are you having issues with yours?
    • buu709 11mo ago
      My Shield is 7 or 8 years old at this point and still going strong. Was very much hoping for something like this from Steam just in case something were to happen to it.
• babblingfish 11mo ago
  In 2026 we should be getting Windows on a Xbox console with the Xbox skinned version of windows. This would be a direct competitor to that since most PC gamers have the majority of their game library on steam.
  • ksynwa 11mo ago
    > the Xbox skinned version of windows Isn't that what the ROG Xbox Ally devices have? At least that's what it looked like to me. Something like a SteamOS's gaming mode counterpart for Windows.
    • babblingfish 11mo ago
      Yes, the xbox skinned version of windows is in the ROG Xbox Ally
      • robotnikman 11mo ago
        And iirc it performed worse than SteamOS due to all the Windows bloat.
        • ksynwa 11mo ago
          One day when CachyOS on my Steam Deck breaks (probably because of something I do) I wanna try loading up Windows 10 LTSC IoT on it and see how that plays out.
    • SchemaLoad 11mo ago
      From what I could tell, the ROG Xbox device was just Windows desktop mode with a full screen "Xbox" application open, which you can minimise and see the normal desktop behind it.
  • creaturemachine 11mo ago
    If MS even bothers to make another xbox this is what it will be.
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• hasperdi 11mo ago
  Does anyone know the price?
  • daedrdev 11mo ago
    they have yet to announce the price
  • haunter 11mo ago
    "Steam Machine’s pricing is comparable to a PC with similar specs" [0] I's say max ~800€ at this point 0, https://www.theverge.com/tech/818111/valve-steam-machine-hands-on-preview-specs-announcement https://www.theverge.com/tech/818111/valve-steam-machine-han...
  • smoovb 11mo ago
    Maybe we are meant to vote on it. I vote $299.
• max-leo 11mo ago
  > HDMI 2.0 The HDMI Forum yet again rearing it's ugly head by continuing to block GPU manufacturers from implementing HDMI 2.1 in the Open Source drivers
  • klipklop 11mo ago
    Yup. This really needs to be fixed. There have been on-going bug reports on it for years. AMD just needs to move the hdmi 2.1 stuff behind a firmware binary blob already like NVIDIA does. It's so annoying not having full quality HDMI. It's the only think keeping me from using Linux on my current gaming PC that is hooked exclusively up to my TV... Either that or TV's need to start having Display Port.
  • TheTon 11mo ago
    This is a big miss for me. I can’t use my TVs 120Hz VRR mode without HDMI 2.1. I realize the Xbox Series X is beleaguered at this point, but apart from playing games that are on Steam but not Xbox, I can’t see why I would prefer the Steam Machine.
    • max-leo 11mo ago
      After commenting i looked up the actual capabilities of the port and it turns out while the port is officially only HDMI 2.0 it actually still supports 120Hz, HDR and VRR anyway. So basically it only doesn't support Display Stream Compression for 144Hz and beyond. I quickly tested this by connecting my PC running Linux with a RX 6800 to my TV (LG C4). 120Hz, VRR and HDR were all available.
      • TheTon 11mo ago
        At 4K? Or are you limited to a lower resolution due to bandwidth constraints?
        • imp0cat 11mo ago
          Try for yourself. I get 4k120Hz when connecting my laptop directly via HDMI.
• paulatreides 11mo ago
  "Yes, Steam Machine is optimized for gaming, but it's still your PC. Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer?"
  • lukan 11mo ago
    It might be PR speak ... but for me it is working.
    • knome 11mo ago
      you can already do whatever you want to the steam deck. it's just linux with a readonly base that gets atomically updated. but you can rip it out and do whatever. it's your hardware.
• perihelions 11mo ago
  > "SteamOS 3 (Arch-based)" Holy shit, it's the Year of The Linux Desktop, for real this time. It's happening. It's actually happening. A standard Arch Linux/KDE[0] PC for every home, in a polished, vendor-supported package. Like Apple, it's a single standard hardware/OS pair, so, FOSS' fatal hardware-support hell might well be made obsolete. The vendor is a household name corporation. There's an incredibly fortuitous (for Linux) market dynamic at this point in time, of "commoditize your complement"—the dynamic that Valve has incentives to invest massively in giving away a nice thing for free, because that does bad things to its competitors. And Steam is... the killer super-app to end all killer apps. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteamOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteamOS This is real life!
  • atonse 11mo ago
    If hype is to be believed, Omarchy is also pushing a lot of devs to Linux.
    • erxam 11mo ago
      The only thing that crock of shit is attracting is grifter bucks.
      • atonse 11mo ago
        Omarchy is free.
        • erxam 11mo ago
          So? That doesn't mean D14HH isn't receiving "donations" for his "work".
          • herewulf 11mo ago
            Minus the snark, I feel like you just described every non-commercial distro ever.
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• embedding-shape 11mo ago
  The only thing I'd like to know, if the CPU/GPU will be replaceable? The specs say "Semi-custom AMD Zen 4" and "Semi-Custom AMD RDNA3", but I don't see "soldered" anywhere, so I guess maybe they'll be switchable? If not with off-the-shelves components, maybe Valve will offer their own upgrade kits in the future?
  • zorked 11mo ago
    > I don't see "soldered" anywhere, so I guess maybe they'll be switchable Unfortunately that's quite a logical jump...
    • embedding-shape 11mo ago
      Yeah, I mean my comment is all speculation, guesses and opinions. Given the limited information, some jumping is required, if at least in order to ask questions :)
  • opencl 11mo ago
    Given the memory configuration it seems extremely unlikely that it's socketed. It's certainly not AM5.
    • embedding-shape 11mo ago
      You mean "16GB DDR5 + 8GB GDDR6 VRAM" or something else? I took it just as they didn't want to put VRAM next to the GPU for some reason, rather than them actually being linked somehow. Maybe I misunderstand.
  • cflewis 11mo ago
    RDNA 3 is going to hold this machine back. DLSS is far and away better, but Nvidia's apathy towards Linux has made playing on something like Bazzite a worse experience. Nvidia has little reason to keep investing in Windows gaming drivers given the AI race, so seeing DLSS 4 or something on Linux is a pipe dream. I think this machine will be decent for most people, but it's no-one with a 3080 is going to be looking at this and thinking "this is worth it", as it's probably coming in at about $750. The question is whether it'll have power parity with whatever the next Xbox is.
• nalekberov 11mo ago
  Video games were the only reason for me to use Windows, now that Steam solved this problem no reason to look back anymore. I am also not big fan of multi-player games, so not being able to play games with anti-cheat system buried deep into their binaries isn't an issue.
• thadt 11mo ago
  Pretty much the only reason I boot to Windows anymore is to play games with my kids and family. The direction of this thing is dangerously close to being all I'd care about from a desktop computer. If Valve pivoted into making a well-supported laptop with good hardware that ran Linux and played games...
  • quasigod 11mo ago
    Just wondering, what games are you playing that dont run on Linux yet? I can't think of games I'd play much with family that dont work well
    • neura 11mo ago
      I do not believe that _you_ are trolling with this question, but answering this is just asking to be trolled. That said. Fortnite. Yes, I still play it with friends and cannot play it on Mac or Linux. :( I'm sure others have similar examples. Also there are just simple things like playing with friends and streaming on Discord. Anybody streaming from Windows always comes across smooth and HD to the other participants while anybody on Linux seems to consistently be received (I don't know where exactly in the chain the problem exists, so just "received", as it may not be a broadcasting or encoding problem, I'm not an expert in this) with a lot of artifacts and lower framerates.
      • andai 11mo ago
        A friend of mine, a Linux user, says he installed Windows for gaming. Apparently the main issue isn't actual compatibility for games, but that a lot of games require some kind of kernel level anticheat (rootkit?).
        • seabrookmx 11mo ago
          Yes. Valorant and Battlefield 6, for example.
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• lenerdenator 11mo ago
  To the HL3 faithful, this is your reminder that NOTHING EVER HAPPENS
  • rawling 11mo ago
    This is the speculated-about gap in the Steam store events, then?
• 12_throw_away 11mo ago
  In this big hardware refresh, honestly most excited about finally getting a new steam controller [1], which feels like it might finally give us a better, more extensible standard than the extremely outdated XInput protocol (which still doesn't even support motion controls) [1] https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamcontroller https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamcontroller
  • torginus 11mo ago
    Isn't the lack of extensibility kind of the point? It forces everyone to make the same controller, so the developer knows what the user will have.
  • LelouBil 11mo ago
    I'm just hoping it has a standalone "pretend it is an xbox/generic controller" mode that doesn't rely on steam, so I can bring it to friends easily.
    • p_l 11mo ago
      All you need is good HID driver in OS... unless the application hardcodes expectations about XBox controller
      • LelouBil 11mo ago
        Yeah I said xbox beacause whatever, but I'm just worried that Valve, while they are usually consumer-friendly never added a standalone gamepad mode to the controller directly and it is always reliant on Steam (and so you need to do tricks like using GlosSI[0] to use it outside). And at the same time, if you just plug in your controller while holding the right trigger, it acts as a usb drive where you can just replace (and grab it's original) firmware, so there have been some efforts. I at least want that from the new one, at the very least. [0] https://github.com/Alia5/GlosSI https://github.com/Alia5/GlosSI
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• clvx 11mo ago
  Valve, please partner with Framework. I think this could be a great partnership in the future and the whole ecosystem as a whole.
  • lavela 11mo ago
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    • richwater 11mo ago
      Any additional context for those out of the loop?
      • KopyWasTaken 11mo ago
        This was the first blog that I found on the matter: https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/ https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/ tldr; DHH is a controversial figure, and Framework are latching onto Omarchy. I think some folks think that Framework's image is being tarnished by working with DHH.
      • ap2025 11mo ago
        DHH is a controversial figure who increasingly comes out as tone deaf and perpetuating reactionary myths. It's not new either. https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/11/30/why-were-dropping-basecamp/ https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/11/30/why-were-drop...
        • Spivak 11mo ago
          It really is so sad to see people get sucked into the alt-right pipeline and not even realize it despite it being so obvious from the outside that it's happening. For all his talk on indoctrination it's weird to suddenly have very specific opinions on a bunch of unrelated topics you have no personal involvement in, no expertise in, and tangible connection to. Even if you have feeling about some of these issues in passing no normal person with a dayjob becomes so prolific about all of them at once. Except, of course, that despite these issues not moving the needle on basically anything in daily life they are all connected as part of a grand conspiracy corrupt society in some nonspecific way and must be eradicated. In a way I really can't blame any individual because there's very little in the way of defenses against it but it's sad to see the cocktail of intelligence, arrogance, and fame mean that no one will ever be successful at pulling him out.
• SunshineTheCat 11mo ago
  Being able to play PC-ish games without Windows (all on its own) makes this pretty interesting. Looking forward to seeing its real world performance. The fact that it doesn't take up the space of a household appliance is a plus too.
  • dmix 11mo ago
    You can do that today with a Steam Deck + a dock. The performance is surprisingly good and most higher end games you buy on Steam will come with pre-configured steam deck settings to downgrade video settings if needed. I'm going to be buying the box though for the faster AMD chip, as I wasn't able to play some like Resident Evil 2 remake. While the Silent Hill 2 Remake played decent enough.
  • dfxm12 11mo ago
    What exactly do you mean by "pc-ish"? Setting aside steam deck, are you aware that you can already install steam on linux and play many games [0]? Are you aware of Bazzite [1]? 0 - https://www.protondb.com/ https://www.protondb.com/ 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite_(operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazzite_(operating_system)
    • bongodongobob 11mo ago
      Long time veteran Linux user. I was not able to get anything to run on Steam. It's some sort of display driver issue/conflict, but if it takes me longer than an hour, I'm over it.
      • 9029 11mo ago
        This is exactly where Bazzite is convenient since it comes with the latest drivers (including 32-bit) out of the box.
• daedrdev 11mo ago
  A mainstream desktop PC that supports most games without windows is actually a massive deal in the long term as I know plenty of people who don't like windows but didn't have an alternative
• thot_experiment 11mo ago
  > Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? i'm having a hard time describing the feelings this makes me feel. like i've been stressed, bedraggled and worn down, and suddenly there's a moment where i can just rest it's nice to be excited about something for once instead of the baseline expectation of a horrible adversarial experience, which is the case for most tech in 2025 it is somewhat depressing that it's this novel to expect a piece of hardware to actually exist to make my life nicer vs the default of being an abomination that tries constantly to extract money and information from me like a fucking vampire (and i guess, not having used this yet, this also speaks to valve being one of the last companies that i have any trust in to be capable of making a business decision that makes them less money in the short run in order to deliver a better product)
  • keyringlight 11mo ago
    An ongoing 'background noise' concern I've had for a while is how PC gaming seems to be centralizing around steam. There's reasons why that happened, but it'd be real nice if 'infrastructure' was able to decouple from their store. It feels like practically requiring steam for PC gaming on windows and certainly on linux isn't a mile away from requiring MS windows, is it much freedom to pick which Seattle based company you run software from?
    • daedrdev 11mo ago
      There are plenty of competing stores, they just aren't good. I require a game to be on steam because I like the store and features, but many games are also sold elsewhere.
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    • thot_experiment 11mo ago
      I don't think there's NO reason to be concerned, but I think it's pretty different considering the decades of history of how Valve acts vs how M$FT acts. Also, many games available on Steam are DRM free or available from other sources and Proton itself is open source. Valve is also not publicly traded and they have a succession plan of some sort in the event that gaben kicks it, I can only assume whatever he's come up with is sound, he's done a great job of running the place so far.
• kreco 11mo ago
  I just need more RAM. 16GB is unfortunately not enough for me. With some luck it would be easy to upgrade ourselves.
• ark4n 11mo ago
  One more nail in the coffin of the xbox hardware business. Ouch.
  • franczesko 11mo ago
    Unless MS opens up Xboxes for actual gamers (which won't happen). Pity, as Series X is very capable
• TheCoreh 11mo ago
  Very weird USB-C port placement choices... - 2 USB3-A on the front - 2 USB2-A on the back - 1 USB-C on the back If you want to plug an external USB hard drive or SSD at full speed, you'll need to plug it at the front? Or use up the only USB-C port... I suspect most joysticks sold today come with a USB-C to USB-C cable, so if you want to charge your controller you either need to plug on the back, use an adapter, or get a USB-A to USB-C cable? Also the single USB-C port isn't Thunderbolt/USB4, and they're only including gigabit ethernet, which is disappointing but perhaps understandable if they're trying to keep it at a low price.
  • TiredOfLife 11mo ago
    It's an old semi-custom semi-discontinued laptop soc.
  • stetrain 11mo ago
    Most gaming peripherals still seem to use USB-A on the computer end for cables and dongles. Current Xbox and PS5 controllers charge with a USB-C port on the controller end but a USB-A port where the plug into the console.
    • SchemaLoad 11mo ago
      For controllers you can use any cable you want. The Xbox controller will charge just fine on a C-C cable. I don't think they should have gone all in on USB-C like laptops have, but there should have been more than one USB-C and one should have been on the front. Pretty much the only thing you need USB-A for these days is mice/keyboard with non removable cables. Which are becoming increasingly rare.
      • stetrain 11mo ago
        Of course you can swap cables or adapt. I was taking about the cables these devices come with. I’m all about the USB-C lifestyle but PC gaming peripherals are still pretty dominated by USB-A.
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• redfloatplane 11mo ago
  Very interesting! The one killer issue that jumps to mind is anti-cheat. I switched away from gaming on Linux via Proton to gaming on Windows because Battlefield 6's anti-cheat won't work under Proton. Many games are like this, particularly some of the most popular (Rainbow 6 Siege for instance). And BF6 made this decision only recently despite the growing number of Steam Deck players (and other players on linux - in fairness I don't think there would have been that many BF6 players on a handheld). Edit: I specifically use a gaming-only PC. The hardware is used for nothing else. Hence, discussions of rootkits don't really bother me personally much and on balance I'd really rather see fewer cheaters in my games. I think it would be the same with any of these machines - anything Steam-branded is likely to be a 99% gaming machine and their users will only care that their games work, not about the mechanisms of the anti-cheat software.
  • hananova 11mo ago
    All Valve has to do is say “Your software cannot deliberately exclude linux support including kernel anti-cheat to be listed on Steam.” And that would be that, the few devs big enough to make it on their own would leave, and everyone else would adapt.
    • pityJuke 11mo ago
      Worth noting: Valve’s own first party tournaments for their own game require kernel level anti-cheat (from a third party vendor). Valve themselves have given up on allowing players in their own title play competitively in a Valve sponsored event with a kernel level anti-cheat. I can’t imagine they’d ever be this brash. There is no adapting without a proper solution for securing game integrity.
      • wiredpancake 11mo ago
        You clearly are very misinformed on how Valve operates and runs the competitive CS2 environment. Valve does not require a Kernel Level Anti-Cheat for "first party" tournaments. It is not stipulated anywhere in the Major Rulebook: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/counter-strike_rules_and_regs/blob/main/major-supplemental-rulebook.md https://github.com/ValveSoftware/counter-strike_rules_and_re... The reason third-party anti-cheats are commonplace at these events is because most tournaments opt to use Faceit or similar for game scheduling. This was the case before VRS (with RMRs) and the TO could choose an anti-cheat of their choosing. This always ended up being Faceit AC or whatever platform the matches are scheduled via (For example, PGL used Challenger Mode, which used Akros Anti-Cheat). ESL of course uses Faceit because (ESL Faceit Group). You do not understand how Majors are run. It is very hands off from Valve. Only recently, with the introduction of VRS has Valve started controlling and implementing dedicated rules into the ecosystem for TOs.
• JBiserkov 11mo ago
  A bit of topic, but I was wondering how much bigger is the steam machine compared to the mac mini m4, since that's what I have and is my frame of reference. Obviously comparing apples to oranges and only talking about physical volume, not features, compatibility, price, personal preferences, etc. Mac Mini m4: 127 x 127 x 50 mm = 0.8 L Steam Machine: 156 x 162 x 152 = 3.8 L That's 4.76 times more volume.
  • hnuser123456 11mo ago
    It's also about twice the total TDP and more likely to spend time running at full bore. Bigger heatsinks and fans means quieter operation under load.
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  • Aurornis 11mo ago
    The Steam device has a 110W GPU and 30W CPU. The M4 Mac Mini's peak power consumption is less than half of that. Even with the Apple Silicon efficiency, it can't keep up with high power GPUs in graphical loads like gaming. Mac Mini will throttle itself after sustained full load, especially with the GPU engaged. A Mac Mini will start throttling well before the end of a 30 minute online gaming match. A larger volume for better cooling was a good choice for a machine designed to run the CPU and GPU at full load for hours.
    • PeaceTed 11mo ago
      In that sense the Mini M4 is targeted more at Desktop than gaming. Can do short bursts when needed but cannot run the marathon in terms of graphics. Nothing wrong with this, it is just a trade off.
  • Synaesthesia 11mo ago
    The Mac Mini M4 is crazy small though. This steam box is still really small, even if it is 5x the volume of the Mac Mini M4.
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• 2OEH8eoCRo0 11mo ago
  Will it be able to play AAA games with shitty DRM such as Battlefield 6? Not being able to play these huge titles on Linux really sucks!
  • constantcrying 11mo ago
    It is not a DRM problem, you can run many EA games on Linux with no problems, it is an anti cheat problem, which can not be solved by Valve, it has to be done by EA.
    • 2OEH8eoCRo0 11mo ago
      Correct but the customer doesn't care whose fault it is, they just want to play the latest games.
      • arvinsim 11mo ago
        Valve making more devices to propogate Steam is a good thing. If they achieve critical mass, EA will then be pressured to implement a compatible solution.
      • constantcrying 11mo ago
        Sure, it doesn't matter to the customer. But it matters if the problem is going to be solved. Valve can not solve it. The only way it can be solved is if game studios create anti cheat software, which are effective and can be used within a Linux environment. This will only happen if companies see a profit motive to do this, which will happen if the market is large enough.
  • Razengan 11mo ago
    Look at it this way: Not having to play those money suckers leaves you more time for all the awesome indies out there!
    • rvz 11mo ago
      Well that’s one of the big reasons why PC gaming on Windows will remain dominant for a very very long time and Linux-based PCs for gaming will always remain behind. Majority of gamers really don’t care about indie games. (unless they are exceptional)
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• nake13 11mo ago
  "Over six times the horsepower of Steam Deck" ≈ RTX 3060 Laptop?
• nine_k 11mo ago
  Arch-based? KDE Plasma? There might happen a real "year of desktop Linux", in a way. That is, a Linux desktop that sneaks in as a side dish, but maybe gains some non-zero traction, and bringing FOSS to more people who are not engineers.
  • CuriouslyC 11mo ago
    AI + Games is the killer app for Linux on the <everything>. You can make a beast of a gaming PC that also happens to be a beast of a local inference system, and that local inference system can manage the system for you, so grandma won't have to worry about the shell ever again.
  • whalesalad 11mo ago
    "I’m on the record saying, that maybe Valve will actually save the Linux desktop. And it’s actually not because I think games are important! I don't care, I don't play games. I think some people do, so games maybe important. But the really important issue is I guarantee you Valve will not make 15 different binaries. And I also guarantee you that every single desktop distribution will care about Valve binaries." – Linus Torvalds in 2014 Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzl1B7nB9Kc&t=310s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzl1B7nB9Kc&t=310s
  • fracus 11mo ago
    I've been using Linux instead of Windows for over a decade now. If Linux exploded in popularity I would be afraid enshitification and monetization would kick in super quickly. FOSS can't dominate the market. The market won't allow it. They will find a way to exploit it. This is just a fear based on generalizations. Perhaps it is misguided.
  • Jnr 11mo ago
    SteamOS on Steam Deck has been running Arch-based immutable distro since 2022. KDE can be started but by default it runs a Big Picture mode of Steam in gamescope.
• haunter 11mo ago
  "Steam Machine’s pricing is comparable to a PC with similar specs" [0] It has to be no more than 800€ then if it also wants to compete against the console market. Even 800€ is too much imo because looking at the specs it's already not a "future proof" build, more like a previous gen gaming laptop 0, https://www.theverge.com/tech/818111/valve-steam-machine-hands-on-preview-specs-announcement https://www.theverge.com/tech/818111/valve-steam-machine-han...
  • cheschire 11mo ago
    thanks for that. The internals photos were what I was really wanting to see!
  • robotnikman 11mo ago
    Wow, the heat sink takes up most of the internal space!
    • porphyra 11mo ago
      Having a single big fan cool a massive heatsink (that is hopefully very quiet) can legitimately a good reason to get this over building a typical SFF PC, which often runs hot and loud. It sorta reminds me of the trashcan Mac Pro. I myself have a sandwich style case with an RTX 5070 in it which is quite loud under load.
      • rollcat 11mo ago
        Yep, look at Mac Studio. Honestly I'd love to see the trashcan come back, perhaps an entirely new design but still paying homage.
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  • encom 11mo ago
    Paywalled, and also The Verge. https://archive.vn/ndOmA https://archive.vn/ndOmA
• conorh 11mo ago
  It is truly amazing how far Proton/Steam OS has come along. I recently installed it on some old AMD hardware I had lying around, hooked it up to my TV and everything just works - zero problems. I look forward to checking out this Steam Machine!
• torginus 11mo ago
  Cool but I wish it had a single big APU chip like the consoles and Strix Halo - and unified memory. PCs are long overdue for adopting this change, and the only reason it makes sense to keep the separate is to make graphics cards swappable. Considering how big GPU silicon is, when you have both integrated and custom, it'd have made sense to integrate them.
  • bigyabai 11mo ago
    > and unified memory. PCs are long overdue for adopting this change Why? Desktop PCs, especially gaming PCs, have nothing to gain and everything to lose by oversubscribing system memory with GPU workloads. The memory bus typically isn't fast enough anyways, and a modern PCIe x16 can easily handle the bandwidth of a gigantic GPU. The only advantage to unifying everything is latency, which isn't relevant at any framerate under 1000hz. > when you have both integrated and custom, it'd have made sense to integrate them. Sometimes, sometimes not. AMD's mobile packaging technology is not world-class like Apple and Nvidia's is. Valve had the experience with the Steam Deck to make the call if a mobile architecture was the right choice, and they decided against it. Valve doesn't have to make a Mac. This is a gaming device, it's designed accordingly.
    • torginus 11mo ago
      All consoles have been using a single integrated chip since the last generation. The memory bandwidth a CPU uses is much less than GPU. Let's say a CPU does 50 GB/s peak while the GPU does 200+
      • bigyabai 11mo ago
        But why is it overdue? It's easy to put the performance profile of a console on an SOC, it's impossible to integrate many desktop GPUs into the same form factor. Pull up a unified benchmark like the OpenCL Geekbench, it makes this obvious. The most powerful SOCs, like the M3 Ultra, pull over 250w to get worse scores than a 4080 laptop dGPU: https://browser.geekbench.com/opencl-benchmarks https://browser.geekbench.com/opencl-benchmarks How are SOCs going to replace full-fat ATX cards when they can't even beat the thermally-throttled version? The SOC isn't even more energy-efficient, here.
• mostly_harmless 11mo ago
  > you can wake your Steam Machine without leaving your couch. [using the built in steam controller wireless adapter]. This one simple thing is the only thing that makes my SteamDeck+Dock feel like a second class console. So far they only claim it's for the Steam Controller, but I'd be great if it worked with the handful of 8bitdo or Switch controllers I've been using.
  • neura 11mo ago
    Same issue with Switch 2. You can only wake it with a Switch 2 controller. Nintendo's own Pro Controller for switch, which used to wake the Switch just fine, cannot wake the Switch 2. Seems like a forced upgrade issue, to me. :(
    • sunaookami 11mo ago
      IIRC it's because the Switch 2 uses Bluetooth LE protocol for waking up the console which the Switch 1 does not support (it uses a different protocol).
  • azdle 11mo ago
    Waking up the deck works for me with my xbox controller connected via bluetooth. Are you using those controllers via BT or USB? Edit: Now that I think about it, this might have been a feature added to the OLED model.
    • robotnikman 11mo ago
      Yes, the OLED model has a different Bluetooth controller and iirc that's the main reason. Though Valve has been working on trying to backport it to the original models as well.
  • bogwog 11mo ago
    I have a 1st gen Steam Deck (256gb), and it has supported wake from bluetooth peripherals for a while. I've only tested it with a PS5 controller, but it works. [EDIT: btw I use the official dock. Idk if it'll work with others] I use my SteamDeck as a streaming device too, and since my TV is connected via HDMI, waking the console also wakes the TV. So I can start playing/watching anything by just turning on my PS5 controller (which is not ideal because the PS5 controller has terrible battery life and is often dead when I need it, but that's a different issue)
• ymsodev 11mo ago
  > Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? What a refreshing thing to hear in 2025... :D
• didibus 11mo ago
  Hell ya! A new gaming OS, linux based, getting console and portable hardware that is well built, it's what I've been waiting for, something that gives you a good console UX but lets you play PC games.
  • dmix 11mo ago
    I've had my Steam deck plugged into my tv for the last year and I sometimes use the Linux desktop (just a menu option and it reloads into desktop mode) which has a really nice design is already preconfigured for casual linux use. I'd look up game review youtube videos and search stuff in between games from my couch. No complaints. The only downside to SteamOS being linux is the lack of easy mod support. It's either a PIA or not supported.
    • buffet_overflow 11mo ago
      You have to set it up with the Steam client in Desktop Mode, but you can add arbitrary programs and executables as non-steam games. As a result, I can open Spotify in the background and have it play music while I game, from the primary SteamOS interface.
    • energy123 11mo ago
      How's the added latency when connecting a controller to the steam deck through Bluetooth? I tried to do something similar to you without a cable (controller --bluetooth--> deck --wifi & steam play--> TV) but it had ghastly latency, yet I didn't isolate which leg of the trip was responsible.
      • dmix 11mo ago
        I use mouse/keyboard primarily and never noticed an issue even with bluetooth. I don't play multiplayer so wifi is not a factor in latency. I do have a USB wireless dongle for my xbox controller which apparently is faster than bluetooth. I also now use wireless dongles for my mouse/keyboard but mostly just for ease of use. All 3 USBs are connected via dock.
• LarsDu88 11mo ago
  GabeN send me a devkit! I make Rogue Stargun VR (roguestargun.com) which should be able to run on standalone
  • LarsDu88 11mo ago
    I emailed him directly, and holy shit GabeN actually forwarded the e-mail and I'm now on a waitlist
  • DavideNL 11mo ago
    https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/115538125708522123 https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/115538125708522123
    • LarsDu88 11mo ago
      How do I get a devkit? Both Meta and Pico have sent me free dev headsets. I e-mailed GabeN directly this morning...
  • herewulf 11mo ago
    Looks like a neat game! Best of luck getting your dev kit.
• butz 11mo ago
  No external power brick. Instant buy.
  • shmerl 11mo ago
    Is that actually a benefit? I'd say for better cooling, it's better to put the brick outside.
    • koolala 11mo ago
      Makes it super portable. Throw this in a bag and use the Steam Frame as a monitor.
• microsoftedging 11mo ago
  It's glorious. The year has finally come. It's nice to feel excited about tech sometimes, especially when the company isn't completely horrible, and more competition! Great! Microsoft's move really, Sony and Nintendo are doing pretty okay! W shadow drop.
• simlevesque 11mo ago
  I bet they decided to crash their skin market in part because too many people were exploiting the Steam Deck loophole to take the skin money out of the system. Now people will need to give Steam real money to buy their new devices.
  • Ekaros 11mo ago
    Really I think it was otherwise. Dropping prices mean that more transactions happen on their market place. And them selling games or hardware allows them to realise their liabilities as my understanding is that money in wallet on Steam is not yet revenue.
  • SchemaLoad 11mo ago
    Maybe, but I also think it was just a dangerous situation for them to be in for no benefit. Teenangers dumping all their money in to skins because tiktok "investors" told them to, and then trading them on sketchy 3rd party marketplaces both exposes them to risk of regulators cracking down, and doesn't make them much profit.
  • invaliduser 11mo ago
    Just found about this skin market/casino thing, and also that my teenage son purchased a skin for 100€, but is still pretty excited and happy about it because «its real value is around 700€». I am still processing this information.
• jadbox 11mo ago
  When's the preorder?
• drcongo 11mo ago
  I wonder if AMD have bothered finishing the gfx drivers for this before release.
• mystifyingpoi 11mo ago
  Linus Torvalds was right. Valve will save the Linux desktop.
  • metalliqaz 11mo ago
    ...by emulating WinAPI
    • flohofwoe 11mo ago
      And nothing wrong with that, the classic Win32 API is actually quite decent, especially the small subset needed for games. And it has the incredible advantage that it doesn't change since Microsoft doesn't care about Windows anymore ;)
      • Rohansi 11mo ago
        That's not why it doesn't change.
    • sph 11mo ago
      Heh, who cares. I can play games and my OS doesn’t spy on me.
    • npteljes 11mo ago
      The funny thing would be for Wine to then extend the WinAPI, and software beginning to use that extension.
      • jwrallie 11mo ago
        Embrace, extend…
      • joseda-hg 11mo ago
        Reverse EEE?
      • wiseowise 11mo ago
        Microsoft: embrace, extend… no, not like that! Stop!
• koinedad 11mo ago
  Been waiting for this
• robotnikman 11mo ago
  The one with the front panel replaced by an Eink screen really looks cool https://platform.theverge.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/11/258049_Valve_2025_EverythingTimeStudio_0058.jpg https://platform.theverge.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/202... >Valve won’t necessarily sell any of those extra panels, but says it’ll release the CAD files so you can design and 3D print your own.
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• paxys 11mo ago
  They haven't mentioned it anywhere, but non-upgradable CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD would be a massive deal breaker. Also why announce it without a price?
  • giobox 11mo ago
    While it's a dealbraker for me too, locking the spec is how Valve can make a stable hardware target for devs with the "Steam Deck Verified" program, which they've also announced is coming to this box. This is one of the main reasons the specs for the Deck have remained almost identical since launch as well, Valve have said as much in interviews. I expect to see this and the Deck try to follow locked hardware revisions every few years, just like a console, to allow the verified program to work effectively. This product is so not aimed at those of us already building our own gaming boxes, but I'm guessing more a way to tempt those who have only ever owned gaming consoles into the Steam ecosystem. > https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified FWIW some early access previews note the box does have a socketed M2 SSD and what looks like upgradable RAM.
  • koolala 11mo ago
    The SSD is upgradable.
• keoneflick 11mo ago
  I wonder if Steam will finally implement multi-user sign on for local multiplayer games (like all true consoles). It's something that doesn't get headlines, but a real barrier for enjoyment for a console-like PC. Hate being stuck with 'guest 1' and 'guest 2' or whatever. Many games want each player to progress and without true multi sign on, it just doesn't work. Hence games dropping local multiplayer on PC.
  • awakeasleep 11mo ago
    Steam would need to reliably pass multiple controller inputs to the game before your qualm gets addressed
    • sophrosyne42 11mo ago
      Valve reports that the Steam Machine will support inputs from up to 4 Steam Controllers [1], so presumably they are updating SteamInput to handle that. [1] https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine
    • BlueTemplar 11mo ago
      I'm not sure what you mean ? We have been using 3-4 controllers on the Steam Deck lately : Steam Controller, Xbox One gamepad, Switch 1 Joy Pads (together or separate). There are some quirks with the first time game setup sometimes, but we've never noticed any issues after that ?
  • InterlooperX 11mo ago
    I still wonder how Steam generally handles Linux' multi user setup. When I last looked into it, it seemed like Steam gets installed into the user's space of the linux user that did the installation. As in, you have two Linux accounts and each would not only have to install their own Steam client. They would also have to download their own copy of the games they play into their own steam library. And if the game is like 100GB in size that would mean you would have to se aside 200GB if both linux accounts would buy this game. I feel like having to muck about with symlinks and stuff just to get both steam installations to believe this path is their library seems like a bit cumbersome. Especially since I dont know how steam generally reacts when "someone else" aka not them makes changes to that library. I'd hate having to "repair" the library everytime I play just because my steam detected the changes from my brothers steam to that library as suspicious. Windows does a lot of things wrong. So much that I would love to switch but the way it handles two windows accounts with their own steam account and one steam installation/library is at least working the way i would expect it to.
• timpera 11mo ago
  I really hope that we'll be able to put Windows on this.
  • miguelxpn 11mo ago
    The landing page says "Who are we to tell you how to use your computer?" so I'm assuming you'll be able to do whatever you want with it. Similar to the Steam Deck.
  • barnabee 11mo ago
    I hope we can, too. I really hope we don't.
• mcdow 11mo ago
  Why does Steam/Valve care so much about Linux? I know as devs we all would prefer to use Linux/Unix. But developer experience isn’t a good business justification.
  • Manfred 11mo ago
    Probably because Steam doesn't want to sell an Xbox and Microsoft won't license Windows to be rebranded.
  • 0x457 11mo ago
    Probably to keep MS from locking down gaming on Windows and cutting out Valve as distributor. Add to that, Windows isn't usable on 10ftUI or really anything that is not fully-controlled (think ATMs) or desktop with kb/m.
  • jcelerier 11mo ago
    why wouldn't you use linux when you are shipping your own, custom, purpose-built device?
  • andrewclunn 11mo ago
    They don't want Microsoft to be able to use its control of the OS to push them out. It's not the Valve needs to control the OS, it's that they don't want a company that views them as a competitor to have said control. Linux ensures that they have protection from that.
  • kube-system 11mo ago
    For starters, they can't really customize Windows for the devices they release.
  • eigenspace 11mo ago
    It's because Valve's entire business model is currently reliant on Microsoft not being emboldened to try and lock down software downloads to only occur through the Microsoft Store. 15 or so years ago, Microsoft started making moves in that direction and Valve immediately started trying to build and sell Linux based gaming machines in order to try and protect themselves somewhat from Microsoft. Those Linux gaming machines (Steam Machines 1.0) were a massive failure because they were expensive, and had very very limited game support. Valve then spent around a decade improving Wine, building Proton, and designing the SteamDeck, which was a great success for them and is now making lots of people take Linux seriously for gaming. Now they're moving up the value chain and trying to make Linux the go-to place for PC gaming. They've still got a big battle ahead of them, but already Linux users are around 4% of active Steam users, and the Linux experience is rapidly improving. Meanwhile, Microsoft seems to be bleeding goodwill, and is actively pissing off a huge amount of their Windows audience while simultaneously giving up on Xbox, so this is really perfect timing for Valve now.
• paxys 11mo ago
  A bit too sparse on details. - No price - No indication for whether the CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD are upgradable or all soldered together on the board. - "4K gaming at 60 FPS with FSR" but doesn't mention what kind of games it can run at that quality. - No performance benchmarks, or mention of what the equivalent retail CPU/GPU to their custom one is. At face value this seems like a $500-600 PC, and that's also the price it would be able to compete with consoles at.
  • haunter 11mo ago
    8GB VRAM + 4K + FSR3 is very tough situation. Basically bit better than an Xbox Series S but quickly outpaced by midrange PCs. It will all come down to the price.
    • paxys 11mo ago
      Yeah non-upgradable 8GB VRAM would make it a no-go for all but the most casual gamers. But then the casual gamers would rather buy a PS5 for the same price, so let's see where this one fits in.
      • whynotminot 11mo ago
        The size here is actually important too. I think the PS5 is monstrously large and ugly. I do not want it in my living room. If this little box is roughly PS5 power and reasonably priced (we shall see) then that might hit just right.
      • MBCook 11mo ago
        They already own the PC market. This seems more like a play to start to introduce Steam towards more of the console market. And for that, assuming a reasonable price, it looks like a nice attempt. Certainly much better than last time.
      • haunter 11mo ago
        Yeah it's confirmed solderd and not-upgradable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUxObt1efQ&t=591s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUxObt1efQ&t=591s
• hasperdi 11mo ago
  Dave2D has additional info. User upgradable RAM and SSD, but not CPU. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356rZ8IBCps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356rZ8IBCps
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• derefr 11mo ago
  Huh, I had just been trying to look into whether there existed a "mini PC but with a GPU in it that's at least as good as the ones in game consoles." (Or, to put that another way: fundamentally, I want a game console — a piece of well-integrated consumer electronics that lives unobtrusively in my entertainment center, hooked up to my TV, requiring no maintenance, controlled entirely with a Bluetooth gamepad. But I want it to enable me to run both 1. current-gen games at at-least-equivalent fidelity to the console ports of those games; and also 2. "all the games a Windows PC can run." So, anything on Steam, yes; but also, all the weird little indie games on itch.io that never make it to Steam; and old DOS/Win31/Win95 games (either as polished ports from GOG, or through various forms of virtualization/emulation I'd set up myself); and even the little freeware games floating about on the "old internet", that someone made in Game Maker or RPG Maker 2000 or even as a standalone Flash projector executable, way back when.) The closest thing I had found to that description so far, that even might work for the use-case, was the ROG NUC. I wonder how this compares to that?
  • bakies 11mo ago
    probably exactly what you need! :)
  • thoughtpalette 11mo ago
    We have the ROG NUC and absolutely love it for our living room. Not playing any crazy AAA ultra graphics games, but it's been great. If I had known this was finally releasing, I would have waited though.
• zeec123 11mo ago
  I am hyped for the improved gyro controller. Gyro aiming is so good that after some time it became way better than my mouse aiming.
• CuriouslyC 11mo ago
  Valve is cooking. Their work is paving the way for an open computing ecosystem that is gonna be lit.
• ortusdux 11mo ago
  I've been looking at getting a Bee-link box to run as a TV computer and plex server. I'm definitely holding of buying until I see the pricing on this!
  • xd1936 11mo ago
    HDMI 2.0 is a bit of a bummer. No Dynamic HDR, VRR, or eARC.
• wnevets 11mo ago
  Can I use it as a jellyfin server?
  • moelf 11mo ago
    yeah it's just a Linux x86 desktop (Arch Linux) -- although, you'd likely want to make sure Jellyfin's hardware acceleration works well with AMD APU (last time I checked the AMD was under experimental)
  • pigcat 11mo ago
    Can I use it as a jellyfin client? Does that... make sense? I bought a new tv (samsung s90d) and I haven't found have a great way to watch my jellyfin media. This tv doesn't have a jellyfin client in the samsung app store. I feel like I'm being stupid here, would love some suggestions :P I've got a local jellyfin server running on a home server in the basement.
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• Foivos 11mo ago
  I thought it is very easy to burn and SD card. Since when can you use it as storage expansion?
  • Narishma 11mo ago
    Steam Deck uses them the same way and it seems to work fine.
• artyom 11mo ago
  Oh, c'mon. I've been waiting for that machine for years. So much that I bought the Steam Deck out of frustration b/c it was so close. Two weeks ago I got tired and built a mini-ATX gaming PC with a RTX 5080. Way to go Steam nonetheless. I can get 100% behind a Windows-less gaming future. I may even buy this for a 2nd screen or for the kids.
  • MurkyLabs 11mo ago
    I mean the specs seem okay but at least your computer will out-perform it. Just install steamOS: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-4227 https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-42...
    • artyom 11mo ago
      Yeah, I understand but it but I wasn't referring to performance only, mostly to "living room PC gaming" in a convenient package, almost like a home appliance. I really hope Steam can pull this off.
• h1fra 11mo ago
  not everybody has to be Apple, but the ugliness of this page (and the others) is astounding
  • haunter 11mo ago
    What's ugly on the page? I think it's perfectly fine, you can find all the informations etc.
• jorvi 11mo ago
  For this to truly become a console replacement, Steam needs to mint agreements with Netflix, Spotify and Discord. Netflix and Spotify could live as a 'game' application in the store. Spotify also is fairly easy to plug into Steam's overlay music control (currently via Decky plugins). Discord just needs integration with the Steam Friend List. I know Valve wants Steam Friends to compete with Discord, but that ship has sailed every since 2020 (and frankly, the entire decade before that when they let it languish).
  • parineum 11mo ago
    I'll never understand why anyone would want to use Discord.
• gapan 11mo ago
  What on earth is this abomination of a website? My locale is Greek and I'm presented with an auto-translated page in which most sentences don't make any sense. And I don't think it's AI slop, it's too bad to be even that. It feels more like google translate from a decade ago, translating everything word by word. FFS, go to fiverr and hire an actual human that knows how to translate stuff. Oh, and of course you're presenting greek text, as awful as it is, but didn't think to check if the font you're using supports greek at all. I'm sure it's the same for lots of other languages. sigh
  • butlike 11mo ago
    i18n is hard.
    • gapan 11mo ago
      It really isn't. Hire someone that actually speaks the language and can review the page before deployment. Otherwise, don't do it.
• pyuser583 11mo ago
  What's the cost? Doesn't seem we can buy yet.
• alligatorplum 11mo ago
  This is likely the push i need to fully ditch windows and go install linux on my PC. Can't wait to preorder!
• butlike 11mo ago
  But will it be able to run GTA VI? Truly the only litmus test for any gaming system released from now until 2027.
• defraudbah 11mo ago
  i am ditching my ps5 for this, go valve!
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• somanyphotons 11mo ago
  I'm surprised they went for ARM in the desktop, but for x86 on the handheld. Does this mean the handheld will move to ARM aswell?
  • moelf 11mo ago
    >Semi-custom AMD Zen 4 6C / 12T the desktop is also x86, the VR headset (Frame) is ARM
• somanyphotons 11mo ago
  Does this suddenly become the best supported ARM desktop?
• tintor 11mo ago
  Is this the end of Windows for gaming?
  • moelf 11mo ago
    I guess right now the GPU is too weak. And ofc even if the hardware steps up, there are always root-kit games gatekeeping :(
  • DustinEchoes 11mo ago
    The beginning of the end.
  • npteljes 11mo ago
    I don't think there is an end to Windows gaming. It's the de-facto standard PC gaming platform. If there is a real end to its reign, it will be in decades, as in, at least 20 years.
• somanyphotons 11mo ago
  If they can make it play Microsoft Flight Simulator then that'd be pretty enticing
• calmbonsai 11mo ago
  Meh, I'm hopeful, but I'll wait for specs.
• zeld4 11mo ago
  8GB vram in 2026?!
  • MitPitt 11mo ago
    what game needs more?
    • Banditoz 11mo ago
      Many do, especially at higher resolutions.
      • simoncion 11mo ago
        Especially if you do stuff like "AI" upscaling, frame generation, and raytracing.
      • hinkley 11mo ago
        I doubt the rest of the system will be able to do these high resolution versions. It's basically a console, not a gamer PC.
      • SchemaLoad 11mo ago
        I don't think there is any reason a game _needs_ more. I don't think there is any gameplay experience that couldn't be enjoyably delivered on this hardware. And it's a massive disappointment that minimum requirements bloat has been out of control lately. With how PC part prices have exploded after AI data center buying, I think we will see developers suddenly discover that you don't actually need half these specs to run games.
      • wiseowise 11mo ago
        What many games need to do more is to better optimize. And I’m talking about graphics, not time to market.
    • guywithahat 11mo ago
      This is the real answer. Vram is largely dependent on the resolution you're running, and at 1080p 8gb vram is fine. People who want 20GB vram are probably going to build their own machines anyways, the steam machine is meant to be a console replacement to my understanding.
• edm0nd 11mo ago
  Looks like the og Nintendo Gamecube but modernized.
  • foresto 11mo ago
    Or the NeXTcube. https://www.inexhibit.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NeXTcube-front-back-and-top-sides-1.jpg https://www.inexhibit.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NeXTcub... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/NeXTcube.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/NeXTcube...
    • foresto 11mo ago
      While we're at it, the Steam Controller kind of resembles a space invader. :)
  • schmorptron 11mo ago
    the GabeCube pun pratically makes itself
• nvarsj 11mo ago
  I’m just not seeing the market for this. Why not build a better steam deck dock instead?
• dangoodmanUT 11mo ago
  Sorry… expandable via microsd? They’re terribly slow and unreliable, just cattle-chute us to using ssds over usb like consoles
  • ThatPlayer 11mo ago
    It's just Linux, so you should be able to use a USB drive fine. I believe the idea is to use the same microSD card as a Steam Deck and Steam Frame (which also has microSD). Easily move games between systems.
  • koolala 11mo ago
    You can swap out the NVMe SSD too.
  • merpkz 11mo ago
    And yet somehow steam deck has absolutely zero issues with microsd cards
• koakuma-chan 11mo ago
  It looks pretty bad on the photos.
  • m463 11mo ago
    is that good bad or bad bad?
    • iLoveOncall 11mo ago
      Irrelevant bad. It's a gaming product, you're not expected to wear it in public so the look doesn't matter.
      • theoldgreybeard 11mo ago
        "the look doesn't matter" I think Sony would disagree: We wanted to do something that was bold and daring almost. We wanted something forward facing and future facing, something for the 2020s [...] The PS5's design is meant to demonstrate Sony's belief that the technology inside and the games that run on it are as eye-catching as the outside you see [...] that the form factor of [...] the PS5 is meant to "grace" your living room. The PlayStation sits in the living area of most homes, and we kind of felt it would be nice to provide a design that would really grace most living areas. That's what we've tried to do. And, you know, we think we've been successful in that. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-boss-explains-why-the-ps5-looks-like-that/1100-6478358/ https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-boss-explains-why-the...
        • gausswho 11mo ago
          Sony's dead wrong here. You want what's eye-catching in your living room to match your other things or fade out of sight. This design is nondescript and you can get your own custom panels if you want.
          • theoldgreybeard 11mo ago
            My point was that the look does matter. Whether you like the look is a different story.
• CobrastanJorji 11mo ago
  > Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? From your mouth to Tim Cook's ear, friend.
  • archon810 11mo ago
    And Sundar's too with the latest BS about Android sideloading.
    • preisschild 11mo ago
      Tbf at least Android is open source and AOSP itself doesnt have this limitation
      • 0cf8612b2e1e 11mo ago
        Sort of. Google has slowly migrated all essential services into closed source libraries they control.
        • drnick1 11mo ago
          This isn't quite true. My GrapheneOS phone isn't lacking any "essential service." The only issue is that some apps distributed through the Play Store (or an alternative frontend like Aurora) that depend on proprietary Google libraries won't work. But this is a problem that rests with the developers of the apps, not AOSP per se.
        • preisschild 11mo ago
          Been using AOSP without Google Mobile Services for a decade now (LineageOS and GrapheneOS) without needing those "essential services"
      • bnjms 11mo ago
        Tbf I haven’t heard any news that Alphabet is requiring all sellers that paid off phones to be able to change to AOSP.
• mottey 11mo ago
  When Steam Pass?
• Mr_Eri_Atlov 11mo ago
  This project is a gaming console dream. Compact and looks nice, no qualms about displaying it in the living room, with customizable front panels. Optimized to just barely hit 4K 60 fps as cheaply as possible. Controllers designed to avoid stick drift, easy to charge, and featuring low-latency wireless connections. Stream from a Steam Machine to a Steam Deck or a Steam Frame if you have one; the Steam Machine enhances your other purchases further. Instantly supports everyone's libraries of dozens, if not hundreds, of games acquired over the years. And you can just use it as a desktop computer if you like? Give me the Gabecube!
• thrownawaysz 11mo ago
  The elephant in the room: "will this game run on my Steam Machine?" This is really the part a lot of people don't understand and not a qestion you even have to ask when you buy/download a game for a console. Some of the biggest games right now like BF6, COD, or Fortnite, League of Legends, chinese gacha games won't run on this. That excludes a massive part of the market, many of whom would be the exact audience for a simpler, more console-like PC experience. There's also no guarantee that future AAA games will be compatible with this day one (8GB VRAM is very limiting already). Yeah yeah indies but if people want to play X then offering them Z is not an option. This will be DOA anything over $500
  • Otek 11mo ago
    This is true also for steam deck but it’s a success anyway. COD, Fortnite, LoL players can stay on windows. I’m happy to play newest indie game on my Linux machine
    • thrownawaysz 11mo ago
      >but it’s a success anyway That's also debatable. Switch 2 sold 10m units in 6 months compared to the Steam Deck's 4 million in 3 years ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The Steam Deck is niche even among the gaming crowd. >COD, Fortnite, LoL players can stay on windows. I’m happy to play newest indie game on my Linux machine This is the mindset that makes the Steam Machine DOA if not priced correctly. No one will pay $800 just to play Hollow Knight in 4k
      • galleywest200 11mo ago
        Worth considering that Nintendo has a massive library of proprietary games they themselves produce (Mario, Pokemon, etc) that Steam does not have. People buy Nintendo products to play Nintendo games.
      • TheAngush 11mo ago
        Success is relative. The Steam Deck is only unsuccessful if you consider the goal of the device to be "outsell Nintendo". I would argue 4 million units is not merely a success, but a massive success.
• pjmlp 11mo ago
  Maybe this will have better luck this time, and who knows, studios might finally care to do at Steam OS native builds.
  • bigyabai 11mo ago
    Maybe they'll pull a Cyberpunk, and just add a "Steam Machine" setting to their Windows version when you run it in translation. I'd prefer that. It's easier for developers, easier for me, and only harms the already-negligible market of curmudgeonly native pundits that probably don't use Steam in the first place.
    • pjmlp 11mo ago
      Then eventually they will suffer the same fate as OS/2 "runs Windows better". Don't build castles on kingdoms ruled by other overlords.
      • bigyabai 11mo ago
        > Don't build castles on kingdoms ruled by other overlords. If anyone was scared by that, native software wouldn't exist anywhere. Seems you're still butthurt about the low adoption rate of... well, alternative API vendors. Truly a shame, I wish Linux could help.
        • pjmlp 11mo ago
          Microsoft is the one that is butthurt with SteamOS. Anyone that thinks one of the biggest console and desktop vendors, and publisher after ABK deal, is going to let another platform translating their systems win the race, is not paying attention to Microsoft's history. When that happens, people would have liked that studios, not Microsoft owned, actually cared abandon Steam OS native games. I play games on the platforms they are native, since Loki is no longer, I don't do GNU/Linux gaming, only Android, Windows and PlayStation.
• nelsonfigueroa 11mo ago
  This is exciting. I can't wait to get rid of Windows altogether. I only put up with it for gaming purposes.
• martini333 11mo ago
  >HDMI 2.0 So no 4K 120 Hz ?
• jbaber 11mo ago
  Many comments here and on similar posts bring up only keeping Windows for games, and only then for games that require heavy anti-cheat. Is there a reason there couldn't be non-regulation copies of games that don't do anti-cheat but are otherwise fine. Like metal baseball bats, oversized golfballs, etc. Official, but not allowed in competitions?
• pndy 11mo ago
  The body is really simple and appealing but as these are rare nowadays I wish they'd consider squeezing an optional optical drive inside or perhaps maybe some external one that would stack on top.
  • sph 11mo ago
    Aren’t external optical drives quite cheap and only require a USB connection? You could consider that instead and stack it on top.
    • pndy 11mo ago
      Yeah that's an option of course Somehow it was much easier for me to move from floppy drive than from optical one
• vondur 11mo ago
  The PC looks pretty cool in a small form factor case. And since it runs ArchBTW, you can run a bunch of other games too outside of Steam. Wondering how the pricing will be...
• KronisLV 11mo ago
  > CPU Semi-custom AMD Zen 4 6C / 12T up to 4.8 GHz, 30W TDP > GPU Semi-Custom AMD RDNA3 28CUs 2.45GHz max sustained clock, 110W TDP > RAM 16GB DDR5 + 8GB GDDR6 VRAM All of those seem a little low (at least judging by power usage) when compared to your average tower gaming PC build, but modern parts are pretty power efficient and given the form factor (and hopefully reasonable price) it seems like it's gonna be a pretty good device - definitely enough for most indie titles, all e-sports titles, even AA/AAA games with some upscaling/framegen, although I predict that your average UE5 slop game will wipe the floor with it. That doesn't reflect badly on the hardware, just how the devs use the engine in some cases, but at the same time being able to use it as a regular SFF PC is nice as well, actually a good reason to buy it compared to most consoles.
• tagyro 11mo ago
  [off-topic rant] Two companies, both (quasi) monopolies in their field. Company A built its fortune by exploiting people. Company B built its fortune by building (somewhat) decent products. Company A developed a very advanced approach to hiring: specific questions to assess a candidate’s psychometric profile, screens to weed out bad choices, and a laser focus on the "top 0.1%". Company B made it very public that hiring well is vital and encouraged every employee to think about it and participate. They even published an Employee Handbook years ago [0] Today, many startups copy Company A’s playbook: crafting advanced questionnaires, trick questions, and trying to detect behavioural traits in their candidates. No startup (that I know of [1]) has adopted Company B’s strategy. Take your pick on who Company A is. Company B is Valve. [0]: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/Valve_Handbook_LowRes.pdf http://media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/Valve_Handbook_LowR... [1]: I kjnow of one that <<pretends>> to
  • paperpunk 11mo ago
    I love Valve games and I love that they are spending their resources in areas I care about and that feel underserved by other companies, but I don't think the moral comparison is so clear cut. They were also pioneers in micro-transactions, loot crates, software distribution tax, and turning Counter-Strike skins into a speculative frenzy.
    • tagyro 11mo ago
      I have to admit, I never got into micro-transactions and loot craetes. I did play CS, but never cared about skins and focused on head shots - I am ignorant in this aspect.
  • parineum 11mo ago
    > Company A built its fortune by exploiting people. > Company B built its fortune by building (somewhat) decent products. It's the same thing.
• energy123 11mo ago
  A reason to get this instead of Playstation/Xbox is that games on Steam are significantly cheaper through keys sites like g2a.com or just waiting for discounts. Playstation/Xbox know you're locked in because you've already sunk money into the console, and they use this pricing power against you.
  • maccard 11mo ago
    I work in games. Please don't buy games from g2a and the likes. In the best case, g2a make money and the developer doesn’t . in the worst case you're buying bogus keys or stolen accounts. Please, just pirate games instead.
    • bhelkey 11mo ago
      > in the worst case you're buying bogus keys or stolen accounts Maybe this is just a hole in my knowledge but I don't see how this could be the case. Regarding stolen accounts: Once I activate a Steam key, I can't deactivate my copy to get my key back (I don't think anyways). How would a stolen account generate steam keys? Regarding bogus keys: If the keys primarily didn't work I suspect that we would see deplatforming of the site by payment processors. They generally don't like when all their customers issue chargebacks. I think there is some risk that keys sold in a grey market are purchased by stolen credit cards but I can't imagine that this is too prevalent. I would think that the credit card owner would dispute the charge and Steam would deactivate the key.
      • small_scombrus 11mo ago
        > I would think that the credit card owner would dispute the charge and Steam would deactivate the key There's a real issue for both Valve and the game dev if this happens. The public isn't going to take this key doesn't work or worse my game stopped working after I bought it and blame nebulous credit card fraud, they're going to blame Valve and/or the dev
        • maccard 11mo ago
• echelon 11mo ago
  > There's an LED strip, y'all! I've never seen marketing embrace southern culture like this. I love it, y'all!
• ElijahLynn 11mo ago
  "One USB-C and four USB-A ports." I'm confused...
  • justin66 11mo ago
    In case you have four old usb-powered lamps or appliances you'd like to connect to the thing.
• p1necone 11mo ago
  Excited for Steam/PC games on ARM to get better as a side effect of the Frame running using a Snapdragon CPU. Running x86 PC games on higher end Android devices already works better than you might expect via gamehub/gamehub lite/winlator, but it requires much random trying of different driver and runtime versions for every game and even then a lot don't work or have issues.
  • PeaceTed 11mo ago
    I do like this about Valve. They understand the 'Chicken and egg' scenario and thus try to push hardware or software ideas forward in the hopes that it encourages others to work to that. Like Steamdeck with Proton, developers have a tangible target and can ensure their stuff works on it.
  • sedatk 11mo ago
    > Steam/PC games on ARM to get better Exactly! It legitimizes ARM as a PC platform for both games and apps, and this helps the adoption of the architecture even on Windows.
• ginko 11mo ago
  I find it weird that a new device in 2025 still comes with only one USB-C port and otherwise only USB-A. Is USB-C that much more expensive? Is it about power delivery?
  • ZeWaka 11mo ago
    I would imagine because most peripherals you'd connect to this are still mostly USB-A. Controllers, mice, keyboards, USB sticks, ...
    • SchemaLoad 11mo ago
      Most peripherals these days have a detachable cable, so they can be used with USB-C or A. The main issue would be those wireless dongles.
  • makeitdouble 11mo ago
    USB-C is still not widely adopted for many specific uses, in particular peripherals (keyboard/mouse dongles) Logitech finally got their USB-C dongle out last year I think ? Keychron only offers USB-A as far as I know. And many other keyboard and mouse brands are in the same boat. Depending on your setup that's already 2 USB-A ports needed. You can put an adapter, but you're then dongling a dongle. PS: just realized Valve's own VR to PC adapter is also USB-A.
    • hinkley 11mo ago
      I was about to bitch about Logitech and their USB-A dongle yesterday and looked to see that they did finally produce a USB-C dongle. Miracles do happen.
    • cesarb 11mo ago
      > [...] only offers USB-A as far as I know. And many other keyboard and mouse brands are in the same boat. Many new computers (including this Steam Machine) have exactly two USB-2-only USB-A ports (the rest of the USB ports being more capable). It's not hard to guess what they're for: the keyboard and the mouse.
• Rakshith 11mo ago
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• translucent0 11mo ago
  it's meant for gaming and doesn't come with a LAN connection. sad lol.
  • distances 11mo ago
    It has gigabit LAN.
• translucent0 11mo ago
  it's meant for 'high-end' gaming but doesn't come with a lan connection(?)
  • adham-omran 11mo ago
    What do you mean? There's 1 gigabit ethernet.
• IlikeKitties 11mo ago
  >Yes, Steam Machine is optimized for gaming, but it's still your PC. Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? In a world of locked bootloaders and ever more locked down device, valve is pushing the envolope with a linux based gaming console.
  • abracadaniel 11mo ago
    Reporting indicates one of the use cases they designed for is swapping an SD card between steam deck, steam machine and steam frame to bring your installed games along with you, which is technologically unimpressive, but so far against the grain that it's shocking a company would include that kind of functionality.
  • seba_dos1 11mo ago
    This is especially interesting in context of Steam Frame. It's easy to get an unlocked mini-PC, but an unlocked "mainstream" standalone VR device with first-class Linux support would bring something new to the table.
• rvz 11mo ago
  16 GB of RAM, 4K@60 FPS, with USB3. I’m afraid that this steam machine is so underpowered that it is no better if not much significantly slower than a MacBook Pro with a M4 Max. The specs appear to be from late 2019. Might as well get a PS5 instead. No thanks and No deal.
  • phkahler 11mo ago
    >> I’m afraid that this steam machine is so underpowered that it is no better if not much significantly slower than a MacBook Pro with a M4 Max. Isn't that one of the fastest laptops money can buy?
    • danudey 11mo ago
      "If the Steam Machine can't compete with a $3500 laptop I don't even want it!"
      • rvz 11mo ago
        Because that worked well with the last Steam Machine in 2015 didn't it? Even though it was much cheaper. /s Even with specs from 2019 - 2020, it already lost to the consoles on arrival and still can't even play the DRM'ed games on Day 1 as long as it is on SteamOS. You might as well get a Macbook M4 Max or an equivalent Windows gaming laptop as the Steam Machine is too underpowered for PC gamers and as long as it runs SteamOS (Linux) is unable to play the same games as those on Windows on day 1.
  • danudey 11mo ago
    The XBox Series X and PS5 both have 16 GB of RAM; in the case of the XSX that's 10 GB for the GPU and 6 GB for the OS and apps. So 16 GB in this case, for running the same games and outputting to the same displays, seems entirely reasonable. > The specs appear to be from late 2019. Pass Probably more accurate to say the specs are from 2020, which is when the PS5 and XSX launched. > it is no better if not much significantly slower than a MacBook Pro with an M4 Max Does the M4 Max run SteamOS and your Windows steam games very well? I guess this Steam Machine is going to be embarassingly underpowered if it also costs $3500. On the other hand, if it is a mass-market 'console' PC priced at ~$500-750 then I think it's okay if it's 'no better...than a Macbook Pro with M4 Max'.
• kevincox 11mo ago
  I wonder what video codecs will have hardware decoding support. Because having this able to support HTPC options with AV1 and h265 decoding would pair amazing to sticking this on the main TV for family gaming as well. I'd be shocked if it didn't have h265 support but AV1 is not quite guaranteed at this point.
  • PeaceTed 11mo ago
    This is the one area that Intel ARC absolutely excels at. If ARC doesn't survive long term, that might be its legacy in the same way Matrox pivoted to multi screen cards after the failure of Parhelia-512 GPU.
• coconut08 11mo ago
  the 8gb vram is very concerning to me. it claims to be 4k ready and 8gb of vram is nowhere near enough for 4k gaming natively. they say that this is offset by using fsr upscaling, which is fine, but then you need whatever amount of vram that is necessary for running the game at 1440p or 1080p and then additional vram for the fsr. this will be fine for casual games or even AA games, but I can't imagine AAA gaming on this thing being anything less than a disaster. hopefully i'm proven wrong.
  • nicce 11mo ago
    > the 8gb vram is very concerning to me. it claims to be 4k ready and 8gb of vram is nowhere near enough for 4k gaming natively Depends on the game. I get 70fps with many games on 4k with old RX 5700 XT (e.g Path of Exile). Black Desert runs 70fps with FSR on 4k.
  • koolala 11mo ago
    Does FSR use less ram since it is upscaled? Same ram requirements as 1440p?
    • coconut08 11mo ago
      4k fsr uses less vram than native 4k but more vram than native 1440p
• schmorptron 11mo ago
  They mention FSR specifically in the trailer, but this comes with RDNA3, meaning no FSR4 currently. Does this mean that the int8 path for fsr4 is gonna become official to support this and the ps5 pro?
• outlore 11mo ago
  How does this compare to the Framework Desktop as a gaming Linux box? I notice only the RAM and storage is upgradable for the Steam Machine, but is there significant performance difference?
• sedatk 11mo ago
  I've been using my Steam Deck + Steam Dock to play Hades II on my TV using my Xbox controller. It's been a fantastic experience. I can't imagine how much better a device like Steam Machine and Steam's own controller would make it.
• andrepd 11mo ago
  > Yes, Steam Machine is optimized for gaming, but it's still your PC. Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? Isn't it just a relief to see a product announcement where this is a proudly announced selling point.
• markus_zhang 11mo ago
  Has anyone managed to scroll to the bottom? The page crashed on me if I scroll down too much. Is there a price point at the bottom?
• adroitboss 11mo ago
  The Ouya finally realized.
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• nullbyte808 11mo ago
  it looks like an ugly mini fridge. Valve's UI aesthetics carried over to their hardware too.
• komali2 11mo ago
  > We may be new but it's like we've known each other our whole lives: All Steam Hardware works great together, whether you’re streaming or playing games across devices, including Steam Deck. And because Valve remains committed to an open PC ecosystem, we also play well with others (as in, your other devices). I am skeptical about this, especially streaming. I assume the steam box will be running steam os aka Linux with iirc kde and leveraging game scope. I have my steam deck docked to the living room tv and regularly try to stream from my gaming rig running manjaro and hyprland, to mixed results. Moonlight/sunshine has only ever crashed, and steam's native solution will often crash on the deck side immediately, leaving the game running on my PC. Or the game will play but no video will be sent. Or the controller input won't be sent. They still as of last week have a bug where native steam streaming simply doesn't work if you have the deck docked with Ethernet but also have wifi on. You gotta switch off wifi for it to work or unplug Ethernet. I've tried to keep a thread going listing options for streaming and the problems with each but valve locked it https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/3820780968121968671/#c669472405704699300 https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/382078096812...
• tjpnz 11mo ago
  The best part was that there was no mention of generative AI anywhere.
• theusus 11mo ago
  I doubt those specs are enough for running games at good graphics settings.
• dathinab 11mo ago
  I'm really wondering about the CPU+GPU. Like in some contexts it sounds like a single APU with both. But then it has normal and graphics RAM? So is it 2 SoC? Or one connected to two kinds of RAM? Does the GPU have direct access to the non graphic memory? The dedicated RAM makes it looks like 2 chips, but number of CU and similar make it look like an APU/integrated graphics??? I mean even with FSR 8GiB of graphics RAM is a bit tight for 4k60fps. But on the other hand recent consoles (e.g. PS5 Pro) do promise similar things and have 16GiB for _both_ the CPU and GPU which in effect also means only roughly around 8GiB dedicated to the GPU. So it still is viable. And if the GPU could directly access the non graphic RAM then it could easily outperform a classical 8GiB RAM GPU????? But I guess it's probably nothing fancy like that. One good thing about it not having a AMD Max SoC or similar is that it probably will have console pricing. I mean for Valve Steam devices are about making sure Windows can't kill Steam and Steam staying relevant even if Windows decides to suicide themself with ads. So I would guess the price concept is similar to the Steam Deck, no loss, but also not a huge profit margin.
• BluSyn 11mo ago
  Steam machine so close to perfect, but 1x USBC and 1GB Ethernet are huge misses for a 2026 device. Also needs more VRAM. May be better to just do custom SFF build.
• WorldPeas 11mo ago
  Perhaps as a non-gamer I can tie my wagon to the hope that Valve will make a phone that doesn't call installing "side-loading"? Gabe seems to remember why computers exist.
• martin82 11mo ago
  Seems like this is very under-spec'd in terms of RAM. I have my doubts that this will run modern games at acceptable performance.
• Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 11mo ago
  > Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? I'm so happy to read this
  • rTX5CMRXIfFG 11mo ago
    That stood out to me too but my reaction was “whatever, just another promise that won’t age well”.
    • Synthetic7346 11mo ago
      This holds true for the Steam Deck, so I can't imagine why they would promise it and not follow through.
    • gambiting 11mo ago
      I mean I'm sure it will be true for as long as Gabe is in charge, the moment he steps away I think all bets are off, depending on who takes over after him.
  • serf 11mo ago
    >I'm so happy to read this it rings hollow from a company whose entire bedrock for existence is DRM procedures. does Steam still disallow accounts from playing more than one independently owned game at a time without special procedures?
    • colordrops 11mo ago
      This is my number one beef with steam. It's such a big thorn on a rose.
    • Prickle 11mo ago
      No. That restriction has been gone for a few years now. I can run rimworld and quasimorph via steam at the same time, as an example.
      • 11mo ago
• 1-6 11mo ago
  Steam is starting to become the 'Apple Computer Inc.' everyone wants.
• psyclobe 11mo ago
  They're gonna sell millions
• trm217 11mo ago
  After years of Cloud gaming with GeForce Now, this might just be what I‘ve been waiting for!
• kreddor 11mo ago
  I pretty much already use my Steam Deck as my main Desktop computer at home (I have a laptop for work). If I wanted to upgrade, this would be a no-brainer.
• utopiah 11mo ago
  Can't wait for benchmarks. I have a Corsair One running exclusively Linux but it is getting old. I wouldn't mind replacing it with something even more compact and quiet.
• GaryBluto 11mo ago
  There goes the XBOX. Microsoft have been letting their consumer products rot for a while now and they're finally going to start feeling the consequences.
  • guidopallemans 11mo ago
    The original steam deck was already exactly the product Microsoft should have made. There is now a whole class of similar (but generally more expensive) windows-powered devices. If Microsoft would have made the "XBOX Deck" they could have sold 10 times the numbers Steam Deck did. But indeed, I'd think Phil Spencer's days are numbered now.
  • naikrovek 11mo ago
    Well, hopefully, future XBoxes are fixed-spec PCs which run Steam AND some xbox frontend, and can switch between them as the user wishes. There's no reason anymore for the xbox to be a different platform or hardware than PCs. An Xbox that is just a PC with fixed specs (or varying specs with some way to measure what spec you're compliant with) and which can use the Xbox store is probably all that people really want anyway.
    • GaryBluto 11mo ago
      It's a shame really. I miss the era of original XBOX homebrew. It felt fun making it do things it wasn't supposed to.
• tiotempestade 11mo ago
  Good bye M$
• haritha-j 11mo ago
  I know everyone says such good things about the steam deck, but my personal experience hasn't been great. Steam games are the best case scenario, but even those often require hunting down the best version of proton and doesnt work out of the box. why cant steam auto default to the version that works with the game? Getting discord running properly often involves switching to desktop mode, and then its hard to play handheld. if i connect a display in handheld mode i cant increase the resolution to match my monitor. and then we get to 3rd party stores, requiring all kinds of hoops, and once you get it working and you come back to a game after a couple of months, its broken again. Installing ISOs requires even more painful work (tbf thats not an intended use case i guess). Disclaimer: my use of the steam deck has been as a fairly non technical user. For me the whole point of getting it was a slightly console like experience, so I wasn't willing to hack into it too much.
  • calcifer 11mo ago
    > For me the whole point of getting it was a slightly console like experience You say this, but talk about the difficulty of 3rd party stores and installing ISOs. A console like experience means using Steam alone, and not even considering desktop mode.
  • vkazanov 11mo ago
    Well, you have quite an advanced use case. Remember that the majority of users doesn't use anything other than the default steam store ui. This case works like charm. I use with my tv, or standalone, my 10 year old uses, and we love it. I just make sure to play games announced as supported. With custom things, desktop mode, non-steam software installation it's a typical customization story. It is amazing that you can do it at all but nobody will be supporting you on this journey.
    • haritha-j 11mo ago
      That's fair. Perhaps I was a bit too spoilt by windows.
      • UK-Al05 11mo ago
• 5350-uiop-1130 11mo ago
  i hope they can put some price pressure on other small form factor gaming pc the asus rog nuc is extortionate pricing, and beelink are constantly raising their prices too now
• sylware 11mo ago
  Huge streamers/youtubers were already listing games to test on the steam machine... which I already know they do not work on valve proton... (and the lack of official and legally required technical support will show on the medium/long run since proton/wine is not reliable in time). This may backfire if valve does not come clean with this technical support.
  • aniviacat 11mo ago
    > We are expanding our Verified program to include ratings for Steam Machine, so customers can understand how their games will run. They are very upfront about it.
    • sylware 11mo ago
      "Verified" does not mean they will technically (and legally) support the game until its "EOS", unfortunately. One unfortunate patch (past the "refund" time limit), valve proton side or game side, and compat is gone. And those patches do happen. BTW, that's why I play only F2P games (without paying for any micro-transaction) via proton. Yep, PROTON = 0 BUCKS. Valve won't provide that support: there is no way valve is going to hire tens to hundreds of advanced system devs in order to QA 100% of the "verified games" and fix their proton and/or contact the game devs to work on game patch fixes, that until those games go EOS. The other side is the game devs doing QA of their game on a linux box with proton anyway (which is 101 retarded if their game engine has already everything linux since they could build their game native linux distribution just there)... and I tell you as a system dev: fixing bugs on linux + proton is hell since there is the additional ultra-complex layer which is proton on top of the video game core software of elf/linux. This diarrhea of software engineering is what we can experience with enshitified corporate software.
      • npteljes 11mo ago
        In my opinion, the game only has to work for the hours the player enjoys them. Once I figured this out for myself, I became much more relaxed towards all of this. Buying is not owning, just licensing? Streaming means I don't have a local copy? Abandoned means I cannot replay the game in absence of activation servers, or the system becoming obsolete? Man, I don't care at all. When I want to play, I look at what's available to me, I choose, I play, I have fun, I create memories via screenshots and video, and then I go on my merry way. There is no need to be so serious about this stuff, we're not here to save the world, just to have some fun with some software. And so, proton is a ton of fun. I last played Catherine with it, on the Deck. The game had bugs, sometimes it crashed to desktop. And it only ran via one specific proton config, which I had to download myself. Did I have fun? My god, best game ever. Best €5 I ever spent.
• masfoobar 11mo ago
  I've installed Debian Linux recently, and it was EASY installing Steam and Heroic Games Launcher. Testing Rocket League and Thief:TDM and worked really well. I also purchased a Steam Link and Controller a few years ago. Still works like a charm. I was planning to build my own PC in 2026 to be the new Family gaming system. I don't plan to purchase game consoles, now. However, after seeing the new steam machine, I will wait to see the costs before I make a decision. Seems like the Steam Machine.. if powerful enough and decent price.. can still be used as a PC. Otherwise, I will just build my own and stick Debian on it. Be interesting to see how the Steam Machine does against XBox and PS. Seems like Microsoft may lose this battle unless they do something different with their next-gen. By different I mean that gets people excited. Honestly, I think this is a good thing for Games Consoles. Lets me honest.. Games Consoles have not been proper "Games Consoles" since the GameCube, PS2 and first XBox. Since then, they are been more PCs than anything.
• masfoobar 11mo ago
  I hope someone out there creates a "GabeCube" boot up screen, based on the Game Cube animation.
  • YellowTech 11mo ago
    Do you mean like this? https://steamdeckrepo.com/post/6YWNE/valve_gabecube https://steamdeckrepo.com/post/6YWNE/valve_gabecube
    • masfoobar 11mo ago
      Ha!
• unpopularopp 11mo ago
  If they want to capture the console audience its better be priced like one too and not prevent me from playing multiplayer games due to Linux and anti cheat software not playing nice Anything above $600 is DOA and that's with accepting the fact that the most popular games will be not available on the platform
  • lawn 11mo ago
    > not prevent me from playing multiplayer games due to Linux and anti cheat software not playing nice All other consoles are much more limited in terms of games available you know?
• vulk 11mo ago
  This will be a great reality check for consoles. If they don't drop their atrocious fees for online play I can't see what is the incentive to purchase PS/XBox in 2026.
• HexPhantom 11mo ago
  A little time capsule from when Valve was still trying to drag desktop Linux into mainstream gaming
• tete 11mo ago
  Wow the whole line-up being "just linux computers" that is compatible with everything else really makes me wish they come out with a Steam smartphone instead of the walled garden crap we are being force fed from Apple and Google.
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• tonyhart7 11mo ago
  valve shouldering entire linux desktop growth for 10+ years
• bytesandbits 11mo ago
  Damn. Windows might lose!
• alentred 11mo ago
  I really hope for Steam that the timing is right. Given the rising GPU, RAM and now storage prices, I hope they secured their supply chain with a fixed price for components, and at least first batches are going to be affordable enough for the public.
• nathias 11mo ago
  great news both for linux and gaming
• savolai 11mo ago
  Apparently js on both this and Frame page causes the webpage to die (entire page grey area) when scrolling on iphone with link opened from steam app.
• davedx 11mo ago
  Wait. Will I be able to play Subnautica 2 on this?
  • rafterydj 11mo ago
    Good question
  • rkomorn 11mo ago
    Will we be able to play Subnautica 2 at all, at this rate? :/
• i-chuks 11mo ago
  Two very important questions are: How long before the steam machine gets obsolete? Would it be hardware upgradeable?
  • i-chuks 11mo ago
    So, I watched an IGN video on youTube and the answer is no. You can only upgrade the SSD the rest of the components are soldered. The steam machine is intended to be kept simple and for the living room, so while you can tinker with software, DIY hardware tinkering is very limited. https://youtu.be/xb3a3EKwhGQ?si=qeqBJ5Giwo7IqzxV https://youtu.be/xb3a3EKwhGQ?si=qeqBJ5Giwo7IqzxV
    • lawn 11mo ago
      I swear I saw a video claiming that you could also upgrade the RAM, but now I'm not sure.
• nottorp 11mo ago
  > No giant brick! Steam Machine's power supply is built right in. Great! Extremely great!
• aforty 11mo ago
  Half-Life 3 when?
• mannanj 11mo ago
  I couldn’t see a purchase link anywhere. Too lazy to check, they potentially lost a customer due to this UI.
  • reciprocity 11mo ago
    There is no purchase link. It's an announcement for an early 2026 release date. https://store.steampowered.com/sale/hardware https://store.steampowered.com/sale/hardware
• chezelenkoooo 11mo ago
  I knew I was building a library if unplayed games for a reason.
• omega3 11mo ago
  The non upgrade-ability of the components is a deal breaker for me considering the estimated cost (800eur?). I'm not sure who the target market for this is, the pc games already have pcs they can upgrade. What would make the console players consider paying effectively twice (compared to the current ps5 prices) to play the same games? I think such a device would have to be priced competitively with ps5 for me to even consider having a separate gaming device/replace the console in the living room.
  • drexlspivey 11mo ago
    Who estimated the cost at 800eur?
  • agloe_dreams 11mo ago
    Who quoted 800eur? This should be way closer to $500usd or PS5 pricing. Plus the ram and storage is upgradable.
    • omega3 11mo ago
      It's of course estimated, based on this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45903771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45903771 Checked the component prices and it's in this ballpark, certainly not at base ps5 prices.
• nektro 11mo ago
  another slam dunk from Valve
• DiskoHexyl 11mo ago
  SteamOS has way more appeal to gamers in 2025 than it could have had in, say, 2004. On the surface the lack of popular multiplayer titles that require a kernel-level anti-cheat is a heavy downside, but gaming is extremely fragmented these days. In 2004 everyone, save for the casual players, at least tried DOOM3 and Half-Life 2. In 2025 Fortnight has an all-time peak of 12M players, but at the same time there are many millions of Minecraft players who never even launched Fortnight. And DOTA2/LOL players who've never launched either of those 2. And then you see a bunch of indie titles selling tens of millions of copies, and their player base is completely unrelated to those above. The days of the gaming mono-culture are long gone, and inability to play a limited number of Game As A Service titles is not as severe of a handicap anymore, especially since people who play those kinds of games aren't typically as interested in any other titles. For better or worse, peer pressure doesn't work as heavy these days, as it used to
  • lazyfanatic42 11mo ago
    What made you go with comparing things to 2004? Seems random, there is so much that is different in the Linux ecosystem generally, Valve just put the situation on a rocket and shot it into space. Point taken, it really is marvelous! When I was running Gentoo Linux, and Windows 2000 back then I never thought things would be so portable and simple!
    • NooneAtAll3 11mo ago
      > What made you go with comparing things to 2004? I guess HL2 release? Steam launch was late 2003 and first non-valve Steam games appeared in 2005, so "thereabouts" can be a reason as well for "Valve era"
  • surajrmal 11mo ago
    I was a heavy gamer in 2004 and never played HL2 or DOOM3. I know many such people. I think games like Mario party, smash, and Mario kart were far more ubiquitous.
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• haolez 11mo ago
  Does anyone know if the resolution is good enough to use it for work? I.e., e-mails, programming, etc EDIT: I mean the VR googles.
  • jerojero 11mo ago
    Its a linux computer, if you connect it to a 4k monitor you could use that. The one issue I see is that it only has one HDMI port, so you couldn't connect two screens without a dongle. But for all intents and purposes, its a prebuilt pc in a tiny form factor.
    • haolez 11mo ago
      I mean the VR googles. Will edit my comment.
    • dabluecaboose 11mo ago
      > The one issue I see is that it only has one HDMI port, so you couldn't connect two screens without a dongle. Stretching the definition of a "dongle", but the page does specifically say "Ready for all the peripherals and monitors you can throw at it" so I'm assuming some amount of USB-C daisychaining is supported
• sentrysapper 11mo ago
  oh boy here comes the GabeCube
• QuiEgo 11mo ago
  This kind of inspires me. I have an i5-1340p NUC I’m not using for anything at the moment, I wonder if I could press it into service as a sort of “dry run” for this type of experience
• noisy_boy 11mo ago
  Seems to me that there is a fourth platform emerging: Windows, Mac, Linux and now, Steam. PS: I know its custom Arch Linux under the hood, I'm talking about mass market nomenclature.
  • rollcat 11mo ago
    The main problem with Linux as a platform, is that it isn't. Linux is a kernel, with a platform built on top of it. And that's the real issue: Gnome and KDE are separate platforms; but so are Ubuntu and Fedora; but so are Flatpak and Snap; etc. Depending on your application, you will have to support several combinations. For gaming, Steam OS fixes that. You can't target "Linux", but you can target Steam on Linux.
    • doshaa 11mo ago
      Which is fine, its a much better situation than the current status quo, If all devs build around steam OS's 'platform' its not that big of a deal for any Linux enthusiast to run in their custom made setup, the main concern is the layman, the enthusiast love these types of problems.
• dustbunny 11mo ago
  For everyone talking about anti cheat, you can just install windows then, right?
• tdhz77 11mo ago
  Just waiting on a steam pass and I’ll never buy a console again.
• saghm 11mo ago
  My theory for a bit now has been that Valve is playing the long game in trying to make SteamOS a mainstay gaming platform as an alternative to Windows, and that the hardware products are essentially a way of breaking into that market. Even a few years ago, the idea of a custom Linux distro based on Arch Linux with both a built-in full desktop mode and a lower-powered gaming mode that you could switch between on a handheld device would have sounded kind of crazy, but now we're at the point where it's fully supported on more than one vendor's hardware. This seems like it could be a similar play in the traditional desktop space; if they can prove that the concept is viable, maybe other vendors will come out with similar products that come with SteamOS by default. All of this insulates them from having to worry about the long-term sustainability of making money from game sales on Windows, and if it works out, they wouldn't even necessarily have to continue making hardware indefinitely. I don't pretend to have any insight into whether this theory is correct beyond that it seems to track with what they've been doing lately, or any expertise to make claims about whether it will work or not. In a lot of ways, this might just be a projection of my desires as a gamer who enjoys not having had to boot into Windows to play something for quite a few years at this point. I do hope that maybe they're just crazy enough to not only try this, but pull it off though!
  • BlueTemplar 11mo ago
    Didn't Gabe Newell basically confirm 13 years ago already that they were aiming for that ? https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18996377 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18996377
    • saghm 11mo ago
      I'd love to be confident that the company's strategy is sound enough to keep the same long-term goals from that far back, but I don't think I'm sure enough to make strong assumptions about what the overall motivations of products launched in 2025 are from his comments in 2012. I do think that it's a plausible explanation, but there's plenty of room for humility in attempting to interpret whether intent has changed in the light of over a decade of new circumstances that may or may not have been expected.
• ecef9-8c0f-4374 11mo ago
  I really like my steam deck. After buying it I wanted to Download Musik and checkout some Films just to realize they removed all non game media years ago
  • 59nadir 11mo ago
    Go into desktop mode and solve it like you would on any other PC.
• mistyvales 11mo ago
  Will wait until dosdude1 upgrades it to 32GB :D
• gorfian_robot 11mo ago
  echoing others here in that I want Steam Lap(top). I am old and never into controller/couch gaming after the Atari era. I prefer either keyboard/mouse or gameboy for those nintendo exclusives. I also travel a lot and a console or desktop PC just doesn't make sense in my life. Maybe soon!
  • vkazanov 11mo ago
    Nothing keeps you from buying an amd-based thinkpad with ubuntu and steam on it. I run god of war on mine, no problem.
  • Rohansi 11mo ago
    You could always just install the Steam client on a regular laptop. All of Valve's hardware is basically just booting into that anyway.
• 0xWTF 11mo ago
  USB2-A ... what? Why? It's <checks watch> almost 2026. Apple hasn't shipped USB-A since 2017. But ok, apparently there's a bunch of PC folks still rocking USB-A. Cool, love that for them. But why not make them all USB3-A?
  • bakies 11mo ago
    yes agree on the 3, but many gamers sporting old (e.g. xbox 360 controller) or cheap hardware (e.g. "gaming" keyboard on amazon). Pretty sure USB-C is expensive because of licensing. checking my PC i have more A ports utilized than C
  • terribleperson 11mo ago
    The answer to why not all USB3 A is probably PCIe lanes. AM4 and AM5 are absolutely starved for PCIe lanes. It could also just be a cost issue.
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• jolmg 11mo ago
  Wonder if they'll ship worldwide.
• estimator7292 11mo ago
  I really, really hope people start calling this device the GabeCube
• okayjustonemore 11mo ago
  This seems to have been targeted especially at someone like me: I don’t like to play on PC, have no interest in building a gaming PC and I only reluctantly buy consoles because of their (kind of) plug-n-play experience. If this thing can get me a console-like experience and allow me to play my extensive library of games (most of them classic/vintage games you can’t get on modern consoles) hassle-free, then I’m (probably) sold! And on top of that it runs Linux. Awesome, just absolutely fantastic!
  • squigz 11mo ago
    This was shared the other day and sounds exactly like what you want. Throw in Steam cloud syncing (although I'm not certain RetroArch supports that) and I imagine it's about as hassle-free as can be. Possibly even more hassle-free than the original consoles - no blowing into cartridges here! https://www.retroarch.com/ https://www.retroarch.com/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/
  • bartvk 11mo ago
    I have a Steam Deck and it’s definitely more janky than for example an Xbox. It’s not bad! But do not expect the same level of polish. Small example, there’s often a need to dial back the graphics quality. Or the text is too small. Or the screen recording is a hassle.
    • squigz 11mo ago
      I don't know if it's fair to compare a Deck to a proper full-sized console - especially things like font size being too small, which of course is likely to happen more on a handheld.
    • okayjustonemore 11mo ago
      I’d be hard pressed to call the Xbox UX “polished” in any way, but I do get what you mean. Though as long as it allows me to play my games with as much ease as the games themselves will allow, then I’m good—I just do not want to be bothered with the “PC” part of this equation.
• Solstafir 11mo ago
  What can I do with steamos besides Gaming?
  • LeoPanthera 11mo ago
    SteamOS is Arch Linux. So, anything you can do on Arch Linux.
  • herewulf 11mo ago
    You can organize your collection of Sólstafir FLACs and album art in the terminal with beets and then serve them up with mpd, etc, etc..
• ropable 11mo ago
  Welp, I probably just found the final reason for not bothering to maintain a Windows PC at home any more in addition to my personal laptop.
• hyfgfh 11mo ago
  Storage seems small to how crazy big some games have bee EDIT: Maybe it needs a combo ssd for system + hdd for storage
• FloatArtifact 11mo ago
  One disappointment is that's not geared towards media playback or apps like netflix. In the interviews, they mention relying on the web-based versions of apps. Unfortunately, they often come with artificial limitations (limited streaming quality) by companies such as Netflix.
  • adorton 11mo ago
    It's a computer that runs Linux.
    • FloatArtifact 11mo ago
      > It's a computer that runs Linux. I'm fully aware of that. Imagine sideloading mobile applications on the steam machine. It's very hard to get a platform that reasonably respects your privacy. Smart TVs and boxes like Roku go out of their way to invade privacy. I'm not sure about Apple TV. It would be nice to be able to use the steam box as a replacement _officially_. I have no doubt there will be some sort of community effort.
• lencastre 11mo ago
  release date?
• rpigab 11mo ago
  We can now start to dream of a future without Windows Kernel level Anti Cheat software in every competitive multiplayer game.
• emigre 11mo ago
  The year of the Linux coffee table.
• ngcc_hk 11mo ago
  Switch and Pi both pointed this direction. May we even have netbook back for simple gaming cum internet devices.
• jongibbins 11mo ago
  It sounds like a similar idea to what Atari launched. https://atari.com/pages/atari-vcs https://atari.com/pages/atari-vcs Let's hope Steam put a bit more effort into it than Atari have.