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iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

• sam29681749 2y ago
  The concern I have with all the features and options being added to phones in general is the complexity it adds to using them.
• haunter 2y ago
  Probably gonna upgrade from my iPhone 11 to a 16 Pro, seems like a good time to make the jump (also I'd need a battery replacement anyway and I rather spend that money on the new phone)
  • atlasunshrugged 2y ago
    I was thinking the same for my 12 mini. Love the form factor but the battery life is just atrocious.
    • robin_reala 2y ago
      Keeping my 12 Mini; I just ended up getting a 2nd-hand MagSafe battery. It’s small enough to have in a bag or pocket without a second thought, no cables to carry around and turns into a wireless charger when I’m not using it.
    • zoba 2y ago
      I'm in the same boat. Not excited about upgrading to these phablets (hyperbole) but the battery life is forcing me to.
      • ryandrake 2y ago
        App support is forcing me. My iPhone 7 still does everything I need, but 3rd party developers have stopped supporting it. I don't mind if I stop getting updates, but some of these developers are blocking my use of existing apps with a full-screen modal, telling me I need to buy a new phone in order to continue using the app (FlightAware, for example). Perfectly good phone, probably going into the landfill, for no reason other than to appease app developers too lazy to retain already-working code for older devices.
        • fragmede 2y ago
          refurbished iPhone SE (3rd gen) here. Was really hoping they'd announce a 4th one today but the third gen continues to be supported.
          • jerlam 2y ago
            I think iPhone SEs are usually announced in spring, don't want anything to take away from "the big event".
        • raydev 2y ago
          The 7 is coming up on it's 8th birthday, on the bright side that's a pretty good run. Is FlightAware blocking use of the app now? I assume it's because they've dropped support for iOS 15 (which can be a hassle depending on new APIs they want to use), not the 7 device specifically.
          • ryandrake 2y ago
            Yea, they likely want to move on from iOS15, which is fine[1]. But at least let existing users with the existing iOS15-working app keep using that app version. But no, instead, they issued a final "update" which does nothing but block iOS15 users with a full screen modal that you cannot skip (as far as I can tell). Totally overboard. I hope this doesn't start a trend. 1: I don't see what the big deal is to just put if statements around any iOS16-requiring new features, yet keep targeting iOS15. We did this all the time back when I used to write iOS apps.
            • tr3ntg 2y ago
              Not a new trend. Many places I’ve worked at (whose business models center around iOS apps) routinely plan to drop old iOS versions, yearly, as the new ones come out. It gets increasingly more expensive to support older and older iOS versions. These “new features” you’re talking about wrapping in if statements aren’t here and there. Many upgrades are pervasive, and would eventually make every file a branching mess. Now, you could argue that that should still be the chosen route. I can empathize with that. I like software that just keeps working forever.
    • forgotacc240419 2y ago
      I've the 12 and it's bad but not atrocious just yet. Have been told the 13 mini is much better so I'll probably get one of them next.
    • nyarlathotep_ 2y ago
      I really just want a 12/13 mini with a 120hz screen and marginally better battery life
    • ninininino 2y ago
      Nowadays you can go in and just get a battery replacement directly from Apple as long as you didn't smash your device too badly.
  • throwaway290 2y ago
    I am also on 11. To be honest, I do not want to jump from LCD to OLED, for me it's a downgrade:( (I often use it on low brightness in dim ambient light)
    • fkyoureadthedoc 2y ago
      I went from 11 Pro to 15 Pro and found the screen to be a nice upgrade. OLED on the new iPad Pro is fantastic as well in my experience so far.
    • coconut08 2y ago
      what is wrong with oled?
      • throwaway290 2y ago
        it won't dim as well without more obvious flicker compared to lcd. they make oleds look dimmer by pulsing leds at peak brightness also: burn in
        • lucb1e 2y ago
          TIL. I owned an OLED phones since 2012 iirc but never noticed, or heard of anyone else noticing (on their or my device), any flickering. Will be taking my 980 fps slow motion camera to an OLED device near me soon! Can't believe I haven't done it already actually. I've noticed that nearly everything in life flickers from microwaves (each digit is lit up sequentially! I can't believe we can't see this) to my LCD laptop screen (flickers in different colors! Red comes first, then green and blue, it's extremely obvious on the slow motion but, with my own eyes, I'll only occasionally catch a glimpse of red when I look away from something white that just turned on, and even then I'm not sure if I'm just seeing things), but the phones I looked at so far must have been LCD then
          • throwaway290 2y ago
            Regular LCDs like on macbooks (and I guess most laptops) flicker less. It is the drive for insane contrast ratios and pure black in phone screens that is driving OLED adoption. I heard that it can be opposite in TV world, some backlit LCD panels flicker as hell while some OLEDs manage to flicker less but I never owned a TV to make observations
  • kubectl_h 2y ago
    Same here, satellite messaging alone is enough to get me on this upgrade cycle. Beyond that though I am quite content with my 11 Pro, though I am looking forward to some of the AI stuff.
    • Cub3 2y ago
      I'm in the same boat, got a battery replacement last year and am struggling to justify the expense but the satellite piece + AI integration may clinch it
  • laurels-marts 2y ago
    iPhone XS Max here. I'm tempted this year.
    • paulmd 2y ago
      iphone 8 plus, bought refurb in early 2019. replaced the battery once (and got a replacement since the battery wouldn't pair). it's getting to be time. usb-c is a big feature increment for me, and I need to finish the leap away from google voice, since I absolutely know they are not going to bother implementing RCS and will just shutter the service instead. LiDAR also seems extremely useful/cool. On the other hand, I was kinda hoping for thunderbolt support on the pro models eventually. Not sure if I will buy a refurb 15 Pro or a new 16 Pro Max or wait for the next cycle. that's how you avoid e-waste for real and not as a fashion statement. simply consume less - and that includes not consuming a $300 android phone every 18 months, not just apple - and have it repaired when it needs it. with OEM parts that will last the long-haul and not something off amazon that will need to be changed again in 6 months.
    • beretguy 2y ago
      iPhone SE 1 here. I’m not.
  • johnisgood 2y ago
    How much would it cost to have the battery replaced?
    • haunter 2y ago
      I get my phones with a contract (0% APR) so like 2 months? But in comparison it would be also more than half the price you could sell an iPhone 11 nowadays
    • system2 2y ago
      New battery replacement is $99 for pro max models. New Pro Max starts at $1200 goes up to $1600.
      • johnisgood 2y ago
        Alrighties, thank you. It is expensive to me, I wish I could just do it myself. There are no Apple stores in my country. I may be able to take it to a store though and they may replace it for less than $99 but I am not entirely sure.
  • pgt 2y ago
    I upgraded from an iPhone Xs to an iPhone 15 Pro. The CPU speed was a major improvement to not have to wait for my phone any more, as well as better low-light photos.
    • haunter 2y ago
      Yeah the camera upgrade is the most I’m looking for, especially shooting videos
• ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
  Ehh. Lacklustre.
  • tiffanyh 2y ago
    Just curious, what specifically were you hoping for - from a product that is 17-years old?
    • robin_reala 2y ago
      Not that it was ever in the rumour mills, but smaller, thinner and longer battery life would have been nice.
    • asdff 2y ago
      At this point its just sad that its spec bumps on what imo is a pretty poor iteration of their own product. They had better ideas in the past that I wish they would rehash just for the sake of offering more skus to choose from vs "small and large." I liked 3d touch. I liked touchid. I liked having a headphone jack. I liked a small and lightweight phone. I liked a phone that actually sat flat on a table. It's just a shame that this is clearly never going to be made by them today, and being reminded of this through yet another paltry spec bump with stingy storage offerings that's been all too typical from this company with this product lately.
      • tiffanyh 2y ago
        It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice Function over Form ... in which case - the iPhone SE checks most of your boxes. Note: I don't disagree with what you're saying. But Apple also creates multiple models for different users desires, and it sounds like you're most closely aligned to the iPhone SE target market (not the iPhone base or Pro).
        • asdff 2y ago
          I currently do actually use an iphone se 2. But honestly its a worse device than the old se 1 in my drawer that I used when the se2 was in the shop not too long ago. The only issue was modern apps were not compatible with whatever ios version it was on. Otherwise, it was surprisingly faster. spotlight search was appreciably faster, without any delay vs the se2 that just hangs for about 2 seconds before returning any results. mobile web felt great although the smaller screen would often be reduced to a postage stamp of readable space after banner and footer and other ads gobble up the rest of it. It felt much better in the hand and in the pocket. Headphone jack of course. And what is worse about this se line is that I know it is temporary. They won't be building them out of new old stock iphone 8 parts forever. That will run dry like the old iphone 5 supply lines the se1 used did, which forced its obsolescence. Eventually I will be shunted into these newer, heavier, wobbly bottomed iphones, due to forced obsolescence in either the apps I use or the actual carrier network protocols.
• numbers 2y ago
  Good updates to the video recording, event was okay...kinda boring. Airpods Max got no updates just color, why even mention them?
  • jpalomaki 2y ago
    They got USB-C
  • laweijfmvo 2y ago
    USB-C ?
  • zamadatix 2y ago
    I was immensely disappointed for the AirPods Max to be stuck with the H1 when even the standard AirPods got the H2.
• jsheard 2y ago
  The non-Pro models are still only 60hz? C'mon man, high refresh rate is hardly a luxury feature anymore. At least give them 90hz and reserve 120hz for the Pro models.
  • geodel 2y ago
    Well, it is hardly a necessity too.
    • kmac_ 2y ago
      $150 phones have better refresh rates. Once you get used to the better rates, it will spoil any scrolling on 60 Hz screens.
      • geodel 2y ago
        This is great. Now people can have superior scrolling experience at much lower price than iPhone.
        • kmac_ 2y ago
          Since I scroll quite a lot, I prefer to have a better experience with this very basic and common activity. Apple claims to provide the best experience, while it clearly does not.
          • dbtc 2y ago
            If you spend less time scrolling on your phone, you will have a better experience.
      • t0bia_s 2y ago
        I prefer to have two days battery of heavy used phone than few hours of smooth scrolling.
        • fennecbutt 2y ago
• ashconnor 2y ago
  Shocked they are still using 128GB as the starting storage size.
  • rootusrootus 2y ago
    I guess they have more information about usage patterns than we do. Anecdotally, I have a 256GB iPhone, and I use it consistently for a whole variety of things, and my usage is just under 94GB. I'd bet that my 'normal' family members use a good bit less than that.
    • metaltyphoon 2y ago
      Ahh you need is kids to see that storage be laughable.
      • eitally 2y ago
        I'm going to downvote you because I don't know what you're talking about. My kids have 128GB phones and don't have any issues at all. They're also on our family plan with Google One for shared storage and we're still -- as a family of five where I personally have contributed about 100,000 photos (and some videos) over the past 15 years -- only at 1.2TB of consumed storage. What are your kids doing that consumes so much local storage?
        • sturza 2y ago
          Both of you generalized from anecdotes.
          • supportengineer 2y ago
            Here is a data point. We went on a one-week family vacation, my teens created a shared album which contains 3,000 photos and 100 videos.
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• pzo 2y ago
  Amazingly boring event - the last few years were boring as well but each year they don't disappoint to reach to the lower bottom.
• souvlakee 2y ago
  It was super boring.
• thecryptopapi 2y ago
  "By far the best iPhone yet" "The thinnest display ever" "more scratch resistant" said no Apple CEO ever
• junglistguy 2y ago
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• uladzislau 2y ago
  Absolutely underwhelming announcement, I will hold for the next year
• 5350-uiop-1130 2y ago
  every year the events get longer, the websites get bigger and more verbose and yet the products change less and less. is there a word for this...marketing inflation in lieu of innovation. apple used to be a tech company supported by marketing. now its a marketing company supported by tech.
  • talldayo 2y ago
    Stagnation
• souvlakee 2y ago
  The more I watch, the sadder I get. It seems they've gone in the wrong direction. They have nothing to offer regular phone users, so they're targeting "creative professionals" with fancy features.
  • jamestimmins 2y ago
    That's just for the pro version of the phone though. I plan to get a regular 16, for the reasons you mention. What regular features would you want to see?
  • souvlakee 2y ago
    Also, my take on the new cinematic mode is that they should invest in a better camera if they can afford such fireworks.
  • vundercind 2y ago
    Lots of people have creative hobbies that involve their phone in some capacity—music and photography are common—and basically everyone takes family photos and videos with them, so new photo capabilities are always welcome even for non-hobbyist users. Personally, I think it’s awesome that my kids could borrow my phone and make their backyard movies a hell of a lot more “cinematic” than mine on the family camcorder ever could have been, even if I’d had some idea of what I was doing. Several of the “AI” features looked like the kind of thing any phone will feel incomplete without as soon as I use them the first time, for normal-user use cases. Plus, you’re on HN: your complaint about iPhones is supposed to be that they’re just “mindless consumption devices” for sheeple who want to drool at YouTube shorts, wildly worse for any conceivable creative or practical, serious endeavor than Linux phones or a Thinkpad, because you can’t get a root shell. You’ve gone entirely the wrong direction for this site, with your post :-)
    • talldayo 2y ago
      > Several of the “AI” features looked like the kind of thing any phone will feel incomplete without as soon as I use them the first time, for normal-user use cases. We must live on different planets. Are you really going to send your friends and family AI-generated emojis, or rewrite your texts to them with Apple Intelligence? I sure know they won't.
• cube2222 2y ago
  I was planning to upgrade this year, and probably still will, but honestly, the differences between the base model and pro model this year are fairly limited. ProMotion, Always-on display, a bunch more resistant to fall damage, and a camera that is better, but doesn't look like a lot. I'm a bit worried about the Apple Intelligence features, as they've been very prominent on WWDC, but were fairly toned-down today. Not much of it was shown, and they're delaying their arrival (notification summaries look great though, as a "little thing that matters").
  • whalesalad 2y ago
    I can't live without the pro motion display now. I'm on a 13 right now so this will be a big upgrade for me personally.
    • cube2222 2y ago
      Yeah I'm on a 13 Pro. It's enough to upgrade, but it doesn't blow you off your feet. The colors are also arguably worse than the 13 Pro lineup.
      • Aaargh20318 2y ago
        I’m going to miss the blue on my 13 pro. I’m probably going for the ‘desert titanium’ as that at least has some color. Such a shame that they reserve the bolder colors for the non-pro line.
    • manmal 2y ago
      I‘m on a 13 Pro right now, and an iOS developer, so should have a reason to upgrade now. But the iffy situation with Apple intelligence in the EU makes me hesitate.
      • lucb1e 2y ago
        > an iOS developer, so should have a reason to upgrade Can't find the toot anymore but a recently popular one said that developers should be legally bound to 5-year-old hardware so that the resulting software works smoothly on all current systems and one is not forced to constantly upgrade just to keep a working system Not a serious proposal but it did give me pause
• pistolpeteDK 2y ago
  Interesting to see how they're marketing increasingly minor improvements as major breakthroughs. 16 Pro: Better camera, more zoom, dedicated camera button… isn’t that it? WiFi 7, faster ray tracing, USB-C/USB 3? Hard to imagine many people really need that. Have we witnessed peak Apple? Apple Watch: minimal updates. AirPods Max: new color. AirPods: some minor tweaks.
  • laweijfmvo 2y ago
    ehhhh, maybe. they used to do small updates (other than CPU) and call it the "S" update; now they seem to keep increasing the number but doing similar small updates?
  • reducesuffering 2y ago
    I'm not sure what more you'd expect after the 14 barely had anything on the 13. The stagnation happened 3 years ago.
  • crooked-v 2y ago
    And the things they decided to not do are baffling, too. The AirPods Max doesn't even have the H2 chip and attendant features, for example.
    • stephenitis 2y ago
      What is the attendant feature? Wow they really didn't upgrade to the H2 chip! I preordered this without looking too closely as I've been waiting forever for an upgrade to buy this. Very strange.
  • MangoCoffee 2y ago
    Smartphone has reached its peak. What's left to innovate? maybe Huawei's triple-fold phone(?)
    • ilikeatari 2y ago
      I think there is still some room. For me screen technology would be an innovation. Envision a screen that is hybrid between eink and current OLED. Or Siri that is useful (I think thats what they are working on). Or envision other inputs other than your thumbs :-) Maybe ironed out version of what they developed for Apple Vision Pro in terms of eye tracking or some other inputs. So many ideas!!!
• zitterbewegung 2y ago
  I don't see much to upgrade to but, if I didn't get a iPhone 15 Pro I would have probably gotten this. The new camera button is interesting and the gestures are nice. Interesting to see all the rumors of a iPhone Slim / Air be nothing and I almost thought that they would do it on the Pro lineup.
  • skygazer 2y ago
    The slim rumors are for the iPhone 17 line when they drop the Plus from the lineup. The rumors spanning two generations ahead is confusing.
    • gamepsys 2y ago
      The rumors of the thinner iPhone made me disappointed when this wasn't thinner.
  • mgrandl 2y ago
    The slim / air rumors were always for the iPhone 17 lineup.
    • justin66 2y ago
      No. https://www.techradar.com/phones/iphone/apple-could-deliver-an-iphone-16-slim-this-year-if-it-borrows-this-ipad-pro-feature https://www.techradar.com/phones/iphone/apple-could-deliver-...
• laweijfmvo 2y ago
  So did they just give up on Blood-Oxygen sensing on the Watch? Thought it might be a good time to update my Watch 6 (black titanium) to a 10, since they brought back the black titanium, but they just have no answer for the blood-oxygen lawsuit?
  • ayhanfuat 2y ago
    Maybe they are just not reporting it. Sleep apnea detection is probably using blood oxygen levels.
    • laweijfmvo 2y ago
      I checked the "Compare" page and it confirms no blood oxygen on Series 10 and Ultra 2. It's basically the one thing the 6 does better.
    • xattt 2y ago
      It’s pretty unsexy for Apple to say they’re using their sound recognition tech to listen for snoring.
    • flutas 2y ago
      As the other commenter said it does seem like Apple might have either straight up removed it or is disabling it in software entirely for now. Comparison page lists the "Blood Oxygen app" for the S6 through S8, but S9 and S10 both just have "-" for that comparison section like the S5 has. https://www.apple.com/watch/compare/?modelList=watch-series-10,watch-series-8,watch-series-5 https://www.apple.com/watch/compare/?modelList=watch-series-... EDIT: Another difference between them is the Vitals App description removing the blood oxygen reference. S10: "Vitals app featuring heart rate, respiratory rate, wrist temperature, and sleep duration" S08: "Vitals app featuring heart rate, respiratory rate, wrist temperature, blood oxygen, and sleep duration"
      • dc3k 2y ago
        it is likely that they are disabling it in software as it is only missing on the product page for the usa
• jadbox 2y ago
  No additional RAM? So 16 Pro is still using only 8gb? I was hoping to be able to run my own LLMs on device, but unless you're using micro sized models, it'll be practically impossible (or too slow for casual use).
• dblitt 2y ago
  Notably, only the pro models support USB 3. The base 16/16 plus are still on USB 2. This hasn't changed from the 15 lineup when they switched to USB-C.
  • unsnap_biceps 2y ago
    what do you use that usb 3 speeds matter? The only thing ever plugged into my phones port is a charger.
    • baq 2y ago
      Same thing you use prores log video for.
      • dbbk 2y ago
        How curious that they would save it for... the pro model, then
        • kowbell 2y ago
          May be worth noting that ProRes is entirely unrelated to “Pro” phones (and predates them by over a decade if I read correctly.)
    • aucisson_masque 2y ago
      I have a bad wired internet connection and use my phone to download anything over 1gb. takes 2 minutes instead of 2 hours. also use it as a portable usb stick. when you are transfering stuff over 10gb, usb 3 is very very usefull.
      • Aaargh20318 2y ago
        Wouldn’t it be easier to simply fix your ethernet wiring (or just use wifi) than to sneakernet large files using your phone?
• mirchiseth 2y ago
  It will be interesting to see how users will use the new dedicated camera touch control. Other phonemakers have tried it in the past (Sony Xperia comes to mind) but capacitative is probably the first. Also how developers will adopt for their apps. It is a small change but definitely differentiating for Apple at least for now.
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• sk11001 2y ago
  There’s definitely a feeling that the Pro models are the actual model and the non-Pro is a bit closer to the old C/SE models. It didn’t feel that way a few releases ago. I do love the colors on the regular models though!
  • switch007 2y ago
    Same with the MacBook Pro, where you want the Pro CPU not the base CPU
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• yreg 2y ago
  Do we know what's the RAM in those phones?
  • StayTrue 2y ago
    Looks like 8GB.
• nabaraz 2y ago
  I remember people lining up outside apple stores on the pre-order day. What has happened now? Have we seen the peak of smartphones until something new comes along and spur a new super-cycle?
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  • nunez 2y ago
    Online ordering and Apple scaling production to meet demand.
  • swyx 2y ago
    i mean have you tried shipping familiar daily use hardware for 20 years? why the cynicism. this thing needs to be dependable, reliable. not introduce new fashion trend every year.
  • brookst 2y ago
    Upgrades in mature markets are less exciting than in new markets. See: how exciting the 2024 Corolla is compared to the 2023.
    • gamepsys 2y ago
      I get excited when Toyota does a major model does a refresh. The Corolla is likely the #1 selling car model globally, so it has a major impact whenever they change something.
      • brookst 2y ago
        Sure, but nobody who bought a 2023 Corolla is anxiously waiting the 2024 model announcement. Every ~10 years there's a major refresh, and every ~5 years a minor refresh, and that's plenty. That's why I made the comparison.
  • em500 2y ago
    Well I still remember people lining up outside of computer stores to buy Windows 95. Some people line up about pretty random things.
• minimaxir 2y ago
  The Pro variant is unusually poorly differentiated from the base model this cycle: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ The 13 Pro had ProMotion, 14 Pro had Dynamic Island and Always On display, the 15 Pro had USB-C and the Action Button, the 16 Pro...has maybe slightly faster AI? 4k120fps video? USB-C w/ USB 3? Not things most people would care about. ProMotion/Always On is still limited to the Pro models which is enough to justfy the upcharge, but it's a surprise they aren't locking a new feature this time.
  • alkonaut 2y ago
    The 5x (vs 2x) optical zoom will also convince a few to go for the Pro. Isn’t the price difference smaller than previous models too?
    • dudus 2y ago
      The extra optical zoom has been THE defining feature that pushes PRO to most users. It's a feature enjoyed by anyone and everyone.
      • jahnu 2y ago
        It basically saves some people into photography having to buy an additional compact camera.
      • pradn 2y ago
        The optical zoom on the Pro is so good! I often zoom in 3-5x and still get great results. I've gotten comments from people saying they thought photos of far off building features, etc, were taken with a DSLR. It's a no-brainer to get the Pro for this reason, if you care about photos.
        • panarky 2y ago
          Really thought they'd upgrade from 12MP to 48MP on the telephoto. iPhone 16 Pro matched the Pixel's 5x optical zoom, but weirdly it remains stuck at 12MP.
• MangoCoffee 2y ago
  It seemed like smartphone has reached its peak
  • cokeandpepsi 2y ago
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  • yungporko 2y ago
    smartphone plataeu happened like 8 years ago. at this point, even in our wildest dreams, what else could you possibly want a phone to do? all that is left for this form factor is incremental QoL improvements until some crazy new technology which we can't yet fathom drops, and god help us when it does lol.
    • breadwinner 2y ago
      Well, what about foldable phones? The current iPhone is too long to fit in my pocket comfortably. I would upgrade to a foldable iPhone. Another idea: support hover gestures as seen in this article: https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/5/11595564/microsoft-3d-touch-kinect-gestures-windows-phones https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/5/11595564/microsoft-3d-touc... In software, get rid of flat UI. No need to bring back skeuomorphism, but find a middle ground.
      • dade_ 2y ago
        I love my Flip, well the hardware. Samsung software is annoying, especially Bixby. But it fits in my pocket, which is all I wanted since the iPhone SE.
      • yungporko 2y ago
        i would count both of those things as incremental QoL improvements i think
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• veber-alex 2y ago
  I am disappointed. The 16 Pro is larger and heavier than the 15 pro which is already heavy. I have small hands, I want a smaller and lighter phone. Not going to buy the 16 because of lack of ProMotion.
  • eitally 2y ago
    I'm not in the iPhone ecosystem anyway, so it's probably moot, but one thing Google did really right this year was to issue Pixel 9 Pro and Pro XL that are identical in everything but the screen size. I'm very happily upgrading from a very large 8 Pro to a nicely pocketable 9 Pro that contains all the same guts as the 9 Pro XL. Apple should have done the same.
    • zamadatix 2y ago
      The Pro and Pro Max are like you say with the sole exception of optical zoom level. OP is referring to the non-pro models at the end when talking about ProMotion (there are 4 main variants each release, not 2).
      • awiesenhofer 2y ago
        > optical zoom level Optical zoom level is now the same on both the 16 Pro and 16 Pro Max
        • zamadatix 2y ago
          Ooh finally!
  • aucisson_masque 2y ago
    i bought my grandma an iphone 6, damn these thing were perfect size and the force haptic was awesome. Iphone are becoming more and more like android, in size, in complexity and jankyness.
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• paxys 2y ago
  Smaller notch? Touch ID? Better battery life? Faster charging? Larger default storage? Nope, let's skip all that and spend most of the event talking about video recording. Is anyone here actually excited about the features they just announced? Or are people simply upgrading because they get the latest iPhone every year or two by default?
  • oldstrangers 2y ago
    Judging by the success of TikTok, yes, lots of consumers will love new video features.
  • thiht 2y ago
    > Better battery life That’s the only thing from your list that people actually care about and they did improve battery life, there was a whole segment about it. The rest? No one cares. Do you even use an iPhone? You sound like me before I got an iPhone: - I thought the notch would be annoying, I don’t even notice it anymore, it’s never been an issue in actual use - I was convinced TouchID was better than FaceID but I completely changed my mind. FaceID is just more reliable and convenient, especially if you have sweaty palms - Faster charging? I mean, why not, it’s always nice if it can be faster, but I’ve found fast charging already surprisingly fast whenever I’ve needed to quickly get some % before going out - Larger default storage? Same, it’s a nice plus, but if you want or need more storage, pay for more? You have the option
    • ProfessorLayton 2y ago
      I disagree, there's lots to improve on that "regular users" would notice. I went from an 11 (non pro) to a 15PM, and there's still a few major gripes I'd like to see fixed that haven't been addressed in the 16, but would benefit regular users if improved: - I wish my phone was easier to unlock when outside in the bright sun and wearing glasses. I often have to take them off or try again, or put in a passcode. - I'd like the screen to not dim after a few minutes outside in the sun. - I wish my phone charged faster, especially for moments where I'm like "Oh crap, my uber will be here in 5m and I forgot to charge my phone" - I wish my safari tabs didn't attempt to reload at the most inopportune times (or ever like my Macbook). This is a very real scenario I run into often when in the subway with no cell/wifi, and is extremely annoying. Better than my 11, but not fixed by any means. - I wish my OLED screen didn't have visible PWM at low brightness, and strained my eyes. Not everyone is sensitive to this, but some are, and I didn't have this issue with my 11. These are all regular user stories.
• ttepasse 2y ago
  I had a small conspiratorial thought while watching this event: "Apple Intelligence" does not come to Europe and the rest of the world because of the DMA/DSA or other regulations. It doesn’t come, because language support isn’t there. They are only announcing US English support, with some other English dialects in December: https://eu-img-cdn.livecenter.com/lc-images-2021/lcimg-72ed0d9e-030b-4d20-861a-0280eeedaddc.jpeg https://eu-img-cdn.livecenter.com/lc-images-2021/lcimg-72ed0... And the list of proposed languages coming sometimes in 2025 is rather anaemic: https://eu-img-cdn.livecenter.com/lc-images-2021/lcimg-8aec02b8-93a6-479c-9630-43b0ec3b5c83.jpeg https://eu-img-cdn.livecenter.com/lc-images-2021/lcimg-8aec0... Granted, Silicon Valley companies are mostly rather bad when it comes to other languages (and even more other cultures), but Apple in the last decade tried at least and language support for Siri, dictation and such had in the past much fuller lists of language support. When was the last time they had to pad an extra slide with different variants of English [1]? When did they had to put Spanish, the quasi second language of the US, into next year? And missing from the next year slide are major languages like Arabic, Japanese, German, Italian, Hindi and a lot of more languages Siri already could do, although badly. Maybe the new LLM/ML training for "Apple Intelligence" needs far more data, bigger data sets and that's why? [1] Normally I would have thought of a slide with english dialects as a good thing. Computer language systems should recognize that the English language is different in different countries, that different English-speaking cultures are different and I'd argue even "UK English" is far to wide for that country of dozens of vastly different dialects. And of course the biggest English dialect is missing: "English as a second/nth language" or better "English with an accent".
  • th3owner 2y ago
    I am still waiting for Safari to translate Danish.
    • lucb1e 2y ago
      Does it do other scandinavian languages and is Danish classically difficult even for computers, or is the whole language family out?
      • 2y ago
• kube-system 2y ago
  No Apple financing on the unlocked phones?
  • kowbell 2y ago
    I saw that and was disappointed - but then I read the fine print and it sounds like they ARE unlocked and you can switch providers freely (even while still financing)?
    • kube-system 2y ago
      Ah, looks like that is the case, with a couple exceptions: > When you purchase an iPhone at Apple, you’ll receive an unlocked model that you can use with any carrier. There are two exceptions: If you buy an iPhone through an AT&T Installment Plan, you will receive a locked model. If you buy an iPhone through Boost Mobile Financing, it will be locked for the first 60 days after activation.
  • lucb1e 2y ago
    Apple and "unlocked". There's something there...
    • kube-system 2y ago
      I don't follow. All of my iPhones have been carrier unlocked.
  • mrweasel 2y ago
    The fact that phones needs to be financed or subsidised by the carriers should tell you that they are WAAAY to expensive. I'm still of the opinion that Apple needs to make a cheaper phone. Starting a $1100 makes this something only very few will purchase on their own. It's an absolutely insane price. The iPhone SE starts at $600 (4000DKK) that is still way to expensive. I really wish they'd make a "base" phone for around $150 (1000DKK). I don't need the fancy big screen, I don't care about FaceID, the camera was good enough on the iPhone 7, I don't care about the sensors, I don't care about AI, I don't care about games. I just need a phone that can run a few very simple app and has BlueTooth and tethering.
• rty32 2y ago
  > “Powered by the faster, more efficient A18 Pro chip and built for Apple Intelligence, iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max are the most advanced iPhone models we’ve ever made,” said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing. Thanks Greg, that's very helpful information.
  • gk1 2y ago
    As much as I can’t stand marketing phrases like “the most advanced we’ve ever made” or “the most powerful yet” — because it should go without saying that the newest thing you’re releasing is also the most of anything — the fact that companies keep using it suggests it actually works to market the thing.
    • codetrotter 2y ago
      > the newest thing you’re releasing is also the most of anything Well, they also regularly release lower specced models for people who don’t want, don’t need or can’t afford the Pro or Pro Max iPhones. And on the other hand you have people who need the best or want the best. And it’s helpful to both kind of people to know that ok the Pro and Pro Max are the most powerful ones. And while it might seem “obvious” to you and me that Pro and Pro Max are the most powerful iPhones, there’s a lot of people that don’t regularly stay on top of what models exist of iPhones.
  • stavros 2y ago
    Isn't "the most advanced iPhone ever made" a meme by now?
    • crooked-v 2y ago
      Keynote Bingo: https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/g4z9cgmgep7.png https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/g4z9cgmgep7.png
      • kbouck 2y ago
        Missing Forstall's "Blow Away"
• uladzislau 2y ago
  This is very underwhelming update, let’s wait for the next year
• khana 2y ago
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• lcnmrn 2y ago
  More buttons? Since I lost my power button on Pixel 5, I'm using it only with gestures: touch the fingerprint sensor to unlock, swipe down on home screen to lock it. I think a slider on the notification area can be used for volume up and down for a true buttonless experience something Steve Jobs would have loved.
  • mrtksn 2y ago
    Ironic, isn’t it? when the iPhone first came the most different thing about it was that it had a very few buttons. they were telling stories about how Steve Jobs wanted to remove all the buttons. Now we have more and more buttons.
    • aucisson_masque 2y ago
      the iphone apple makes today and the iphone steve jobs made are very different. No one can say what jobs would do nowadays ofc, but i believe he adhered to strict guideline like make it hold in one hand and simplify everything -> less buttons, less settings. I bet he is rolling in his grave when he sees this new icon color theming thing or what they did with the control center where there is now 5 different page of settings.
    • samatman 2y ago
      The original iPhone had four buttons: home, power, up and down volume. The iPhone 16 Pro has four buttons: power, up, down, camera. Plus a switch for mute. Both models.
      • jes5199 2y ago
        mute switch got replaced with action button back at iphone 15
• teekert 2y ago
  "Powered by the faster, more efficient A18 Pro chip and built for Apple Intelligence, iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max are the most advanced iPhone models we’ve ever made," said Greg Joswiak Was hoping for: "We peaked last year, this iPhone is slightly worse in all dimensions compared to last year." Disappointed.
• swyx 2y ago
  i clipped the 5 mins on apple intelligence here for those interested https://x.com/swyx/status/1833231875537850659 https://x.com/swyx/status/1833231875537850659 notes: - photos/album search now includes video understanding, which imo seems very good from the first 2 examples they showed. includes scroll to exact time of the moment you describe. - Mail and Notifications will show summaries instead of str[:x] - Siri now knows iPhone, becomes the ultimate manual on how to use the increasingly complicated iOS 18. and can read your texts (!) to suggest actions with Personal Context Understanding (also it will try to advertise apple tv shows to you... i'm SURE it will be totally objective and aligned to your preferences amirite) - new iphone 16 camera control button is PRIME real estate - notice how OpenAI/ChatGPT is now next to Google search, and both are secondary clicks to Apple's visual search, which comes first - camera adds events to calendar! - "all done on device" and on cloud (though craig doesnt say that haha) overall i think insanely good ideas on ai + phone integrations.
  • melenaboija 2y ago
    > overall i think insanely good ideas on ai + phone integrations. Mmmmm, feels disappointing to me if that is all we get from a multi trillion tech company + multi trillion technology
  • lofaszvanitt 2y ago
    The company needs S. Jobs to be resurrected.
  • foreverobama 2y ago
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  • schmidtleonard 2y ago
    This is good but... all I wanted for Christmas was anti-spam that didn't suck donkey balls. Sigh.
    • callalex 2y ago
      They don’t prevent spam abuse through their app push notifications, and don’t even offer a way to report bad behavior. They are pro-spam.
• bartekpacia 2y ago
  The thing I liked the most about this event was the beautiful places where the presenters were. Outlook on Golden Gate, Coit Tower, Palace of Fine Arts, De Young... loved that!
  • lvl155 2y ago
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    • stevula 2y ago
      Homeless are not common at any of these places. They’re mostly downtown or close to public transit and tourist spots (Downtown, Castro, Mission). They aren’t known for climbing big hills (Coit Tower) or frequenting museums. I suspect there are some in GGP but it’s such a big place I don’t remember encountering many there (and also probably not the most attractive place for them to sleep at night).
      • mattlong 2y ago
        Agreed. I frequently go running by (all?) the filming locations they used. With the exception of the Hippie Hill location in GGP, I rarely, if ever, see homeless at any of the others. As an aside, a few weeks ago I ran by a film crew with a lot of privacy fences set up at the location by the Warming Hut with bay and GGB in the background. Now I know what they were filming!
      • bradlys 2y ago
        Crime don’t climb is the saying.
    • darkwizard42 2y ago
      Those locations don't have a lot of homeless people just hanging out. Coit Tower is quite the climb.
    • pb7 2y ago
      You've never been to SF and it shows.
• siamese_puff 2y ago
  I don’t even click these anymore.
• gibsonf1 2y ago
  I hope all the LLM features can be disabled.
• flowerlad 2y ago
  All I want is for Apple to fix speech recognition in iMessage. Not sure if that’s in this release. They demo’d AI text review and rewrite but not LLM speech recognition. I currently use ChatGPT for it’s accurate speech recognition then copy/paste into iMessage.
  • coder543 2y ago
    In my experience, iOS 18 makes it better, but no, it is still not as good as Whisper Large, which is what OpenAI uses behind the scenes. You can run smaller Whisper models on your phone through various third party apps, and those options work well too. (Trying to run Whisper Large even on the iPhone 15 Pro Max is asking too much… it works, but only barely.)
    • flowerlad 2y ago
      Looks like I can skip iPhone 15 then. Will upgrade when it can run Whisper Large locally… hopefully iPhone 20 or sooner.
• EcommerceFlow 2y ago
  ATT is offering $1,000 trade in for Iphone 12 - 15, an amazing deal for those with slightly older iphones. Obviously it pays off over 36 months, but I don't see myself switching anytime soon so it works out. I think the others have similar deals too.
  • thimabi 2y ago
    It seems too good to be true. Surely they are offering up to $1,000 trade-in for iPhones beginning with the iPhone 12, right?
    • asadotzler 2y ago
      Correct, up to, which translates to about $200 for your iPhone 12.
      • EcommerceFlow 2y ago
        Nope, the 12 gets the full $1k. Go check yourself.
  • HeavenFox 2y ago
    imho these high trade in offers are basically carrier-subsidized phones in new clothes: in exchange of a discount, you agree to stick with the carrier and phone for the next 3 years. And the discount may not be that great! You can get plenty of money if you sell the phone yourself.
• jron 2y ago
  Can I install my own applications on it yet?
  • Mad_ad 2y ago
    yeah, in Europe
    • xiconfjs 2y ago
      But no „A.I“ for us - not even local :/
• dmix 2y ago
  > Featuring a new 48MP Fusion camera with a faster quad-pixel sensor that enables 4K120 fps video recording in Dolby Vision, these new Pro models achieve the highest resolution and frame-rate combination ever available on iPhone Every iPhone generation makes YouTube video quality slightly better as it’s what a lot of people use. That plus social media. Camera quality is quite amazing these days
  • parker-3461 2y ago
    Given that they had to upgrade to a new camera sensor to get faster readout speed, I’m wondering if they actually changed to a better sensor with improved pixel size and light sensitivity. I have read the official press release but it seems like there is no mentions of this. Might need to wait for the ifixit tear down in ~10 days. Edit 1: there has been some discussions that eventually the Sony IMX903 would be used, but not sure when that will actually eventuate.
    • dmix 2y ago
      A big part of it for content creators is stuff like this > You can capture 4K 120 fps ProRes and log recordings to an external storage device — a big plus for pro editing workflows that demand a high frame rate and colour grading control. Might make a dent in mirrorless sales, just w/o the lenses
    • xslvrxslwt 2y ago
      I'm actually so furious about this. No, they did not put the IMX903 (ik this because microns they showed are still 1.22, not 1.4 of the imx903) - even though it was supposed to be in the 15PM. It's the exact same sensor, all they changed is the processing algorithms & new sensor shift OIS (v2). Nothing that 15PM couldn't have been if they bothered 1% (even now they could push an 'OTA' to turn 15PM into 99.97% 16PM (if they were a real company that is)). IMX903 would remove a need to upgrade the sensor for the next 3-4 years (coming from me, who is already using a phone with a way better 1'' sensor (lyt-900)) but no - they choose to do the same crap scamsung and goolag are doing, albeit iPhone sensors are currently way better as the Scamsung/Goolag are still on the old dogshit HP1 and HP2s from 2020/1 tech (yes, GNK is new but it's the same crap, basically a mix of HP1 and 2) so it's still in the era where Sony was unparalleled (now both Samsung and Omni are killing Sony with their latest sensors). And it's crazy how only Chinese phones are pushing new techs, literally if they had better QC and ideas they'd be 5 years ahead of crapple, scamsung and goolag - like this they're barely better. If Apple had my LYT-900 it'd be a murder scene.
• shadowtree 2y ago
  Well, Gurman was right - the 16 phones will not trigger a big upgrade cycle. 17 might, as it would indicate Apple is taking a breath. Or, of course, we'll never get a supercycle again till someone iphones the iPhone.
• spike021 2y ago
  I have a 12 Pro and was thinking I'd upgrade. Usually I'd opt for the Pro tier but this cycle I think I'll actually go for the regular 16. There just doesn't seem to be enough there for someone like me. Which is maybe the point? I liked having the better camera system but these days they show all this extra stuff I don't use my phone camera for anyway. I have a Sony a7iii for the fancy stuff.
• _yb2s 2y ago
  Disappointed again there is no small version... I can't figure out why anyone wants to carry these massive phones everywhere. To me the major advantage of mobile tech should be it getting smaller and lighter each generation. Especially since nowadays it can wirelessly use whatever big screen happens to already be wherever you are anyways. To me the old iphones with 4" screens were a good start, and I was hoping they'd get smaller and lighter as the tech got better... an iPhone 5 was 3.95oz, now iphones weigh 6-7 ounces.
• maxglute 2y ago
  Finally. More buttons. I miss those 5 way toggle switches on old gadgets. The wheels you can flick up, down, hold, and press.
• FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
  Meh... it's still too heavy, too large, and the camera sticks out too far.
• callalex 2y ago
  The biggest innovation they could have at this point would be the price, but that will never happen.
  • lysace 2y ago
    Gotta preserve that 50% profit margin (ish).
  • adamwk 2y ago
    It happens every year? Just buy the iPhone 15, which will drop in price next week.
• pil0u 2y ago
  Should I replace my iPhone 7 with this one?
  • wetpaws 2y ago
    [dead]
  • baby 2y ago
    Get a pixel fold pro 9!
• jmmcd 2y ago
  You see a cute dog in the park, and click the special button to find out what breed it is - amazing! But I know what Steve Jobs would have said to this. Just go up and ask the girl what breed her dog is, and get to know her.
  • switch007 2y ago
    That was on the same level as the kid in the dark room staring at his iPad
• iteratethis 2y ago
  I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million features to the camera app but she opens it and presses the shutter. Her only awareness of features is when she accidentally enables one and doesn't know how to get back. You could set her back 8 iOS versions and she probably wouldn't notice. Because she uses none of the hundreds of features released since. Not because she dislikes them, she doesn't know they even exist. All the spectacular advances in computing power are lost on her as this makes zero difference for the Facebook cat video group and Pinterest. You might assume my girlfriend is perhaps lowly educated or just not tech savvy. Wrong, she's highly educated, even works in IT, although not in an engineering role. It's not that she's unable to understand the advances, she simply doesn't care. It's becoming ever harder to justify new models for normies. Pretty much they buy the new one when the battery of their current one runs bad, typically every 3-4 years. I think this is also why Apple put many Pro features into the regular model. Most people don't buy the pro and they're desperate for selling points in the regular model. If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse.
  • GenerocUsername 2y ago
    Apple is a trillion dollar battery company.
    • colechristensen 2y ago
      The joke I want to make is they make phones that are as fragile as glass and that's why people replace them so often... but they actually make phones out of glass that are stupidly fragile. It's equally stupid that you have to buy this thing and put a protective case on it that increases it's size x%. Why is the back of my phone glass. Why does the front of my phone have 0 protection from the glass hitting whatever it is dropped on? This has to be on purpose. Or maybe in an opposite direction, their stock would likely drop a considerable amount if they made a phone you could drop on concrete with only minor blemishes.
• Lio 2y ago
  I'd just a like a spell checker that I can trigger on the first click instead of on 10th.
  • lucb1e 2y ago
    Have you tried installing a different keyboard (that's what does the spell checking on Android), or is that also locked down? Genuinely not sure since I don't use iOS, but I figured if custom keyboards are allowed by the overlords then this might be a useful tip
• zombiwoof 2y ago
  Apple feels like MAGA. Everything is the greatest thinnest fastest ever, with no reality data, and only until next Sept
• usaphp 2y ago
  I love how ridiculous the scene to showcase Apple's Intelligence ability to tell you what bread the dog was. Instead of simply asking a women what breed her dog was - he had to open a camera app on his iPhone, ask a women a permission to take a photo of the dog, wait until the AI gives him an answer...
  • siquick 2y ago
    This is a pretty accurate representation of everyday city life in 2024.
    • wildrhythms 2y ago
      I live in NYC and no it's not.
  • lelandfe 2y ago
    “Is that rain?” https://youtube.com/watch?v=EP1YAatv1Mc https://youtube.com/watch?v=EP1YAatv1Mc
    • 015a 2y ago
      Its so sad how much Siri has degraded even since this commercial; and then Apple Intelligence comes along re-selling a ton of the stuff Siri used to be able to just do. - "Is that rain?" pulls up a weather widget, but Siri doesn't say anything about it (the correct answer for me right now would be the response "No") - "Let's get soup delivered" does a google search for literally "let's get soup delivered" with no vocal response. - The other two work fine.
  • evulhotdog 2y ago
    Agreed. Normally Apple finds genuine uses of their features they’re intending to market. The guy ended up talking to the person with the dog after, which made the use of the AI a bit of a miss. It honestly felt like Apple didn’t do that scene because normally everything is well thought out.
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• strongpigeon 2y ago
  I’m probably in the minority, but a thing I’d love to see is a much stronger flashlight. It’s silly, but the flashlight is something I use almost daily and having a more powerful one would be quite useful.
  • heraldgeezer 2y ago
    Honestly, buy a real nice dedicated flashlight then. Do we need to waste more rare earth metals, so your phone has brighter LEDs?
  • NotYourLawyer 2y ago
    I agree. It would be so easy to turn it from a book light into something actually useful.
  • rudros 2y ago
    What a random feature request. In case you're not aware, you can open control center, long-press on the flashlight icon and you get to adjust the brightness of the flashlight. If you're not already at the max level, you might get a slightly (but definitely not much) stronger flashlight on your current phone.
    • zamadatix 2y ago
      I don't think I'd ever heard about this functionality before, thanks.
      • ASalazarMX 2y ago
        My wife is a long time Apple user, and I had to tell her to charge her phone sideways, swipe a few times horizontally and a few more vertically to get the night clock face with big numbers she wanted. Despite boasting to have an intuitive UX, iOS can be very obscure regarding discoverability and exploration of features. Many features give no hints whatsoever of existing.
    • HDThoreaun 2y ago
      Not sure how it's random. I use the flashlight every day as well. A better one(yes I have it maxed out already) would be more valuable to me than any of the features they announced today.
• davidy123 2y ago
  I've been an Android user since day 1, but am very impressed by some of these features. I'd love to have the half-click to focus feature and other dedicated camera button features, macro, a few other things that put this generation in a next category. I'd like to see them catch up and surpass all of Google's onboard AI features, and it looks like they're working on it. Being able to find a section of a video by a vague description, all on-device, is incredible. And they're finally improving their photo app. If Apple offered call screening, ambient song identification/logging, and allowed browsers to support extensions, I'd be tempted to switch, especially since they have a clearer privacy story. I'm glad strong competition is continuing, especially around privacy.
  • talldayo 2y ago
    > I'm glad strong competition is continuing, especially around privacy. Until Apple releases an iOS platform equivocal to AOSP, there's really not any competition at all. Apple claims to care about privacy, Google proves they do.
    • njbentley1 2y ago
      I disagree. Google’s entire business model is dependent on personal data. AOSP may have privacy features that are verifiable but Google Play Services is not open source and undoubtedly collect lots of data for Google. Most AOSP-based phones all largely include GPS. Sure, you can limit what access GPS has but then you’re sacrificing features. The majority of people probably opt-in. In contrast, Apple doesn’t need your data for most of the products / services they sell. Privacy is a selling point, so they’re incentivized to build robust privacy features. I’d love to see more commitment to open-sourcing underlying technologies but imo Apple is way more privacy conscious than Google. I will however give Google credit for their privacy initiatives in recent years. They seem to be taking it more seriously.
      • talldayo 2y ago
        > Google Play Services is not open source and undoubtedly collect lots of data for Google Google Play services is not everything though, and Android being what it is, you can actually replace and spoof most of these features to your heart's content. Having used Android without Play Services for a few years now, I honest to god do not notice the difference. microG coming preinstalled on most Android derivatives helps a lot there. > Privacy is a selling point, so they’re incentivized to build robust privacy features. Problem is, that's a tautology. Apple says that, and certainly stand to gain quite a bit from claiming it. But nobody is holding them accountable besides themselves; if Apple was asked to compromise their privacy by a third party, their users may never know. Nobody can earnestly say that iOS is a comparatively private operating system, because we literally cannot see how it behaves! Apple's approach to "privacy" is publishing whitepapers and then absolving themselves of real accountability. That's how they approached iPhone security, that's how they approached Mac security, and lord only knows how they approach iCloud security. When you say that Apple is "privacy conscious", you mean to say they market privacy better. You don't know how conscious Apple is of privacy, you only know what they claim to be true. As I said; it's not a competition. Marketing-based security is not a threat model; transparency is.
• callalex 2y ago
  No user-replaceable battery even though that’s a consumable/wear item? They even invited “Mother Earth” herself to their last presentation to talk about how much they care about the planet! Were they just lying to our faces then?
• pama 2y ago
  The battery specs are not in the press release, but you can find them at the very bottom of this page: https://www.apple.com/iphone-16-pro/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-16-pro/ Up to 33 hours video playback on iPhone 16 Pro Max8 Up to 27 hours video playback on iPhone 16 Pro8
• jdlyga 2y ago
  AirPods are still Apple’s best product. Depending on your ear shape, you might find that regular AirPods fall out and AirPods Pro with their silicon tips work better, or that silicon-tipped earbuds like the AirPods Pro don’t fit well and only the regular AirPods stay in place. It’s great that Apple is finally adding ANC to regular AirPods so people have options.
  • ptmcc 2y ago
    I have the basic gen2 AirPods that I got for "free" in some Apple deal a few years ago. Was a little skeptical I'd ever really use them at first but hey the price was right and if not me maybe the spouse would use them. I freakin' love them. Wireless and device handoff just works. Great for running, never fallen out in thousands of miles. Great for taking calls even in noisy places like an airport. And I even sometimes use Siri with them despite generally hating voice control anything. Totally sold on them, all skepticism erased. I'll buy a new pair the same day these eventually die/break/get lost. And my spouse has their own pair now, too. Never thought I'd be so impressed by something as boring as earbuds.
• cmcaleer 2y ago
  Phishing email operators rejoice: Apple still are not showing emails in the Mail app, and will even scan your phishing email and rephrase it while recognising and pushing it as a priority notification. I actually like the idea, but I worry a lot that it will lead to non tech-savvy (and tech-savvy-but-hurried) people to getting rekt. It’s still obscene to me that they don’t show the sender’s email before clicking in. It not only removes valuable information to screen emails with, but if there are tracking pixels, they fire since you must open the email for further screening. (Sender email can ofc be spooked, but this catches most spam I get)
  • infinitedata 2y ago
    You can open an email without loading the tracking pixels.
  • benhurmarcel 2y ago
    > they don’t show the sender’s email before clicking in Even after clicking, you have to tap twice on the sender's to open his details and see his address. And if he's in your contacts and has more than 1 address, there's no way to know which one sent the email.
    • mercutio2 2y ago
      You view the contact card. The relevant email has a RECENT label.
  • StrLght 2y ago
    > if there are tracking pixels, they fire since you must open the email for further screening What makes you think that? Email message content is plain HTML, tracking pixels are usually implemented as `<img>`s with unique link. I'd expect Apple engineers are aware of that and they can render HTML without external resources, and only then pass it to their LLM. Also Mail.app is already capable of doing that -- you can disable loading external resources by default in settings on iOS and macOS both.
• tmaly 2y ago
  I am not seeing a real benefit to upgrading. I wish I could just swap in a new battery myself once I have gone through enough charging cycles. I just upgraded to an iPhone 15 pro from an iPhone 13 pro a few months ago. Honestly, I felt like the iPhone 13 pro had better battery life. My friend confirmed the same thing between a regular iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro. Not sure if it is software or hardware or both.
  • chrismatheson 2y ago
    You can. I took my 13mini to Apple paid the Apple tax and now I’m happy to not be forced into a uncomfortably larger physical device for at least mother year or two
  • dangus 2y ago
    Why would you see the benefit to upgrading when you just upgraded to the previous model? That's an unreasonable expectation. That would be like complaining that the 2025 Toyota Camry isn't good enough to upgrade to from your 2024 model. Of course it's not! I also really don't understand what the hangup is with the batteries. You bought a $1000 phone, $99 to get a new battery is reasonable. I get it, the cost should be $20 and it shoulde be an easy DIY job, but it seems like you're actively refusing the solution. You undoubtedly spent more to upgrade to the 15 Pro than to replace the battery in your 13 Pro.
• smcleod 2y ago
  I'm a little disappointed they all only have 8GB of RAM, I would have thought that with the world of AI we're all living in now we'd get at least 12GB for our $1850-$2850.
• raydev 2y ago
  For fun, revisit the iPhone 6 announcement thread on HN[1], coincidentally posted 10 years ago today. I love going back to these to see how people responded. The more things change... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8292029 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8292029
  • just_tubes 2y ago
    What a wonderful perspective. Feels like we're talking about the same topics.
    • raydev 2y ago
      The 16GB complaints brought back some traumas as an iOS dev. So many support issues arising from that. It was actually criminal Apple was still selling that as the base at the time, and iOS wasn't able to deal with restricted disk space very well either.
  • brcmthrowaway 2y ago
    What an archive. I wonder if who is still posting from 10 years ago
    • ksec 2y ago
      Plenty.
  • beretguy 2y ago
    A lot of people complaining how big the iPhone 6 generation is. I’ll continue using my SE 1st Gen with 4 inch screen for as long as I can.
    • Tade0 2y ago
      My SO was using one until it started behaving erratically. It's the little iPhone that could and it's such a shame that its most recent replacement - the iPhone 13 Mini is both such a brick in comparison and did not have a successor. What's worse there's hardly any choice nowadays in the sub 70mm width, sub 150g weight category. I guess people collectively resigned themselves to holding their devices with both hands.
• nisten 2y ago
  How much RAM?
• djhworld 2y ago
  I have a 15 Pro Max and I like it, I actually switched from Android last year so I've only been in the iPhone world for a short while. The camera button/gesture thing on this new model seems decent but none of the features really seem that compelling to upgrade, the "visual intelligence" which is supposedly reserved for the 16 models just seems like Google Lens with maybe tighter integration with the OS features. Additonally the 16 doesn't have more RAM which I thought they might have done given the local LLM models, so not really a compelling upgrade.
• eigenvalue 2y ago
  I get so much utility from my iPhone that it’s worth many times what it costs to me. So I’ve been on the upgrade program since it came out and get the new model every year. I always look forward to getting the new phone, even though at this point the improvements are incremental. But it’s very much worth it to me just to get better looking videos and photos of my small children. And stuff like better battery life has obvious utility. I’m just on my phone so much of the day and use it for so many different things that having it be a few percent better in a bunch of categories is a no brainer. And it’s often more than just a few percent!
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  • stephenitis 2y ago
    I prefer having my old phone as an emergency backup.
    • eigenvalue 2y ago
      Yeah, but I have my old iPhone X for that which is good enough for a backup.
• thom 2y ago
  Does the new camera button thingy happen to be a fingerprint scanner as well? I live in a constant state of rage with Face ID, longing for my iPhone 8 Plus with its Home button and the ability to pay for things in one fluid motion.
  • winstonp 2y ago
    It's not. Your problems with Face ID seem to be of a super minority of users -- 99% of people I know have no problems with it.
    • thom 2y ago
      It’s not a blocker, just that it’s strictly more work, every single time.
    • makeitdouble 2y ago
      If Face ID constantly fails for someone they'll get another phone, so even if 95% of current users are happy it's hard to tell how well it works. Given the numbers the SE is selling, it might totally be a factor, on top of the price.
  • jacobn 2y ago
    The fact that they have touch id on some of the ipad side power buttons, but not on the iphone, is so annoying. Face id is both great and terrible, and complementing it with touch id to cover the >5% of cases where face id fails would be such an improvement.
    • sswezey 2y ago
      I really want the touch id from iPad. It's so much faster and reliable that face id. I think together would be a winning combo, but given the option, I'd take the ipad touch id over face id.
  • usaphp 2y ago
    How is using face id for payments not a fluid motion? Double click on the side button and it’s ON to make payments, no need to do anything else. While on Touch ID you have to first initiate the payment and then unlock with a finger (2 steps)?
• _ph_ 2y ago
  May be not an earth-shattering update vs. the 15, but overall a lot of improvements. Probably more so for the plain iPhone 16, as it gets the A18 SOC, the Pro seems to have mainly one CPU core more. As I am on an iPhone 13 Pro Max, still in total absolutely a worthy upgrade for me. I certainly look forward to it. The advantages vs the 15 I can see so far: - updated SOC, somewhat faster, but up to 30% more power-efficient which turns into - larger battery life. Thats something everyone will welcome, I guess. - better camera: 48mp wide angle, 120mm tele lens, 4k 120 Hz. - a bit larger screen, too bad they at least didn't name any other screen enhancements - the shutter button. A ton of functionality built into one single button. Pressure/touch sensitivity, haptical feedback. That should greatly improve its usage as a camera. - all the AI stuff. We need to wait how it delivers, when it arrives (especially, if you are outside the US), but that could get interesting when it delivers. While there wasn't any big surprise or outstanding change, for a year over year update a lot of things and definitely very nice for everyone with an older phone than the 15.
• KoolKat23 2y ago
  They mention battery life in this release 11 times without saying how long the battery will last. Please Apple, even just a typical usage number would be great. It's been many generations since I've had an Apple device, and each year they release a new one I try figure out how long the battery lasts, to no avail. Nobody I know has bought a Max Pro either. With Apple, you never know, it could still be 10 hours battery life. I mean they just released "ground-breaking" features like moveable icons, something I think Android had since Android 1. My point is one never knows.
  • jacobn 2y ago
    The only number I could find was 22/27 hours of video playback for 16/16 Pro, you can compare that to older models on https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ that might give some indication?
    • KoolKat23 2y ago
      Thanks this is perfect. That's really decent battery life.
      • saagarjha 2y ago
        Note that video playback is not very indicative of typical usage. You will probably get less than half that when using apps.
    • nashashmi 2y ago
      is there anything that says why they were able to reach this feat?
      • metadaemon 2y ago
        I was reading and thought this was about as concrete as they got: "The new mechanical architecture improves heat dissipation and efficiency for up to 20 percent better sustained performance. Along with the new internal design and advanced power management of iOS 18, larger batteries are optimized to offer a huge leap in battery life."
• zdw 2y ago
  Finally, they've matched the Zune in excellent color choices.
• jacobn 2y ago
  So a lot of Apple Intelligence is still vaporware then? From [1] "Additional Apple Intelligence features will roll out later this year and in the months following", i.e. later in 2024 and then in 2025, and the not-available-at-launch features appear to be the stronger ones, e.g. ChatGPT integration? Any word on improving the dictate-to-text keyboard feature? I could only find "In the Notes and Phone apps, users can also record, transcribe, and summarize audio", but that's different. [1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/09/apple-debuts-iphone-16-pro-and-iphone-16-pro-max/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/09/apple-debuts-iphone-1...
• peterweyand38 2y ago
  And I would pay a thousand dollars for this as opposed to finding a used earlier generation model for fifty bucks why? It's hard to tell if this is supposed to be satire or not.
  • NotYourLawyer 2y ago
    You probably can’t even find an original iPhone for $50.
    • internetter 2y ago
      iPhone 6 is around $50 on eBay
• Havoc 2y ago
  >6.3 inches on iPhone 16 Pro and 6.9 inches on iPhone 16 Pro Max — the largest iPhone display ever. People want this? My current 6.7 14promax is already in hindsight too big for single hand operation. Realistically I'm probably skipping 16 anyway. Top end 14 is still adequate for everything I need
  • jjcm 2y ago
    Are they actually changing the physical dimensions of the phone? My understanding was it was just a reduction in the bezels
    • hbs18 2y ago
      The 16 Pros are slightly taller
• redbell 2y ago
  You know what really caught my attention with the 16 Pro Max? The 6.9-inch display, with a resolution of 1320x2868 pixels [1]! However, I’m a bit skeptical about this choice. A 6.9-inch screen size is quite rare in the smartphone world [2]. Samsung tried something similar back in 2020 with its S20 Ultra (and Note 20 Ultra), only to revert to 6.8 inches with the S21 Ultra the following year—and they haven’t looked back since. Why? I’m not entirely sure, but I’ve heard some say the size was just too big. So, will Apple be the one to make this a new industry standard for flagship devices, like they did with the removal of the 3.5mm headphone jack or excluding the charger from the box? Perhaps, but for now, I remain cautiously skeptical. _____________________________ 1. Apple hasn’t officially listed the display resolution on the iPhone 16 Pro Max’s product page, but thankfully, GSMArena has all the technical details available: https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_16_pro_max-13123.php https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_16_pro_max-13123.php. 2. AFAIK, aside from Samsung, only two other major brands have experimented with this display size: Motorola, with its Razr 50 Ultra (2024), and Huawei, with the Pocket (2022).
  • pwagland 2y ago
    Apple do list the display resolution, at least on the [compare page](https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16-pro-max,iphone-16-pro,iphone-16 https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16-pr...) 2868-by-1320-pixel resolution at 460 ppi
  • odux 2y ago
    Famously iPhones and especially iPads have weird dimensions and they are primarily for up/downscaling[1] from the other iPhone sizes so that apps still look the”same”. While 16 pro max is 6.9 inch and 13 pro max for instance is 6.7 inch, both have a resolution ratio of 19.5:9. [1]: https://iosref.com/res https://iosref.com/res
• lofaszvanitt 2y ago
  The faster new 6-core GPU in A18 Pro delivers stunning visuals for next-level gaming, benefitting games like Death Stranding. ---- Hm, Death Stranding in the official article? :DDDDDDD
  • KronisLV 2y ago
    I don't quite know how the developers would fit a game like that in a mobile device. I still recall my PC GPU struggling without upscaling. It's not even available on something like Nintendo Switch either, yet here it is for Apple devices: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/death-stranding-directors-cut/id6449748961 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/death-stranding-directors-cut/... Guess it's a testament to how far hardware, modern game engines and competent developers can all go.
    • lofaszvanitt 2y ago
      Me neither, but do you know what the game is about? :D
      • KronisLV 2y ago
        It is very much a Hideo Kojima game, so answering that question well would be pretty difficult for most folks. Regardless, it’s quite the experience, that’s for sure.
• wkirby 2y ago
  Give me a new mini. I’m begging you.
  • vvladymyrov 2y ago
    +1 . I have nothing to upgrade to from my iPhone 12 mini. Probably will replace battery and keep it running for couple more years.
    • wkirby 2y ago
      Same boat. My storage is getting full (had a baby this year), so I’ll likely go refurb 13 mini with the biggest drive.
• teaearlgraycold 2y ago
  Anyone else disappointed they increased the size again? I feel like my 15 Pro would be better a little smaller as is.
• mfiguiere 2y ago
  Apple Discontinues iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max [1], so iPhone 16 is the only new phone that can be purchased with Apple Intelligence. [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/09/apple-discontinues-iphone-15-pro-iphone-13/ https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/09/apple-discontinues-ipho...
• airstrike 2y ago
  Looks pretty cool, but honestly I don't even know what model I own. They all feel the same ever since X
• alasdair_ 2y ago
  The satellite stuff is the reason why I'd buy it. I only need to use it once to be worth the money.
• steelframe 2y ago
  I used to care about my photos a lot. After accumulating a few decades worth of photos I've gotten to the point where I don't care about my photos at all. I used to obsess over megapixel count, portrait mode, FPS, lighting, and so forth, because I used to think that these amazing images would be priceless in the future. Well, the future came and went, and to me they actually ended up being worthless. At one time I cared about other people on the Internet seeing pictures of me and my friends and family doing things and being places. Now I don't want anyone on the Internet seeing pictures like that. I especially don't want bots to scrape the photos to build a dossier on my activities that data brokers can add to my profile that they then turn around and sell to whoever's buying. So these days I don't ever bother even taking photos of anything any more. Instead what I do is try to be 100% "in the moment." I try to notice the small details, feel the emotions, immerse myself in the experience. I look for the things that make an impression. I find that a camera will always -- I mean, always -- detract from that. I suppose that's my way of saying that there hasn't been a camera feature for a phone that I've cared about for many years now. For me the 2017 Pixel 2 was the point where phone camera technology got "good enough" for anything I ever wanted to use it for. Which, these days, is almost nothing.
  • benoau 2y ago
    Really interesting observation, but I would say there are still moments that can delight like we restored an old iPhone of my partner's and came across videos and live photos of our oldest when they were a toddler. Whether this is actually worth the many, many thousands we have spent on our smartphones to preserve rare moments that matter amongst many that really don't is another question. If smartphones never had cameras at all we'd almost certainly preference our own "lower resolution" memories over carrying a small, cheap, lightweight digital camera everywhere in case of something special.
    • ip26 2y ago
      It’s not even about terribly special moments. Stitched together, those videos and Live Photos of even small moments help me remember what they were like then.
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• 0points 2y ago
  > larger display sizes LOL. Glad I grabbed a Mini before they was discontinued.
• numbers 2y ago
  Usually when the Apple event is going on, my iMessages is pretty active with different sets of friends talking about it. The non-techy group of friends only commented on the colors, size of the phone, and how there's nothing interesting to convince them to upgrade from the 13/14/15 models. The nerdy group really got hyped on the Apple Intelligence part, only qualm being that it's not going to be released on day one. They also had screenshots to share of previous chips like the A16 and A17 to compare. The video specs were all followed by positive emojis because almost everyone has kids, pets, or things they like recording. And at the end, some even lamented the fact that the default storage is only 128GB on the smaller Pro model. As someone who's very interested in smartphones, I found it kinda interesting how Apple seems to be sharing more data points on performance and specs instead of "useful features" that most people would notice.
  • evulhotdog 2y ago
    I suspect it’s because they don’t have a lot to brag about this year feature wise. It feels like a “off” or “s” year. Some minor improvements and technically a new phone but nothing to write home about.
• russellbeattie 2y ago
  Only 8 GB of RAM across the phones. Still. This is pretty insane to me. For a $1,000 device to limit itself like that seems crazy. iPads have up to 16 GB, so it's obviously useful. From games to the browser - and especially on-device AI and ML - they all could use way more RAM. Apple's tech decisions are always an enigma.
• kalium-xyz 2y ago
  If its 95% recycled. Where did apple recycle that titanium from?
• baby 2y ago
  I just made the switch to Android last week following the release of the pixel fold 9 pro. I couldn't wait for Apple to release a fold, they took too much time, and every new iPhone just looks like the one from 5 years ago. I haven't had an Android phone in something like 10 years and I really think that Apple is about to start losing its monopoly due to the folding phones. They're the main (only?) reason to move to Android and leave the Apple ecosystem now. The folding phone has now basically replaced my tablet, my phone, and my e-reader. It's just such a huge technological leap to just be able to open it up in the subway or in bed and get access to the massive screen on demand. It's actually much more comfortable to hold and type on this way that I'm writing this comment sitting on my couch with the phone unfolded in my hands.
  • eightysixfour 2y ago
    The rumors point to next year.
    • top_sigrid 2y ago
      I don’t think they do, do you have any source? A slim phone is expected next year, while foldable iPhones seem definitely to be in development, but rumors do not point to next year. https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/03/foldable-iphone-unlikely-to-launch-before-2027/ https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/03/foldable-iphone-unlikel...
      • eightysixfour 2y ago
        Ahh, sorry, you are correct. Looks like 2026 was what I was thinking about: https://9to5mac.com/2024/07/23/report-foldable-iphone-is-coming-in-2026-with-top-down-fold-design/ https://9to5mac.com/2024/07/23/report-foldable-iphone-is-com...
  • hbn 2y ago
    > I really think that Apple is about to start losing its monopoly due to the folding phones We're half a decade into folding phones and I've only seen a handful of them out in public. They're still too expensive, and they haven't solved the issue of the foldable screens being incredibly scratch prone, and having random failures where they spontaneously break along the fold crease. Not to mention none of the OEMs offer great solutions for pain-free screen replacements that I've seen. I won't say Apple will never release a folding device, but I can't see foldables going beyond a niche enthusiast product in the long-term. Even though the folding screen technology has improved, it seems like there hasn't been much progress in resolving the issue that if you just press a nail into one you have a permanent mark in it. That already makes it a non-starter for women with long nails, who are constantly clicking their fingernails against their phone screen when they type. Modern foldables have gotten pretty good at being a foldable. But the iPhone is damn close to perfection at being the candy-bar phone people are used to. Using it doesn't blow your mind, but I think if you gave most people a top-of-the-line foldable and then an iPhone to use for an extended period of time, they'll end up being happier with the iPhone.
• gerdesj 2y ago
  Would all Apple employees and 'fluencers here, please hold their hands up. ... gosh.
• STELLANOVA 2y ago
  It's really bad even for Apple. I really expected something more than a button and riding the wave of AI introduced months ago. We can see that technologically (mostly in hardware part) Apple is slowing down and can't innovate at the speed it was before. They still had a chance to add new stuff but for some reason skipped it - Wifi 7, support for JPEG XL, more base memory/RAM... Profit margins are going down and they really struggle to make it high as before. The fact that AI will not be available in most of the markets Apple is getting money from is really concerning and will probably hurt in the long term. The best part of this event is that AI actually pushed Apple to make really significant upgrade on base models.
  • enraged_camel 2y ago
    This comment and its infinite variations get posted literally with every Apple product announcement. So exhaustingly unoriginal at this point.
    • STELLANOVA 2y ago
      Not really. This is the first time Apple is betting on something that will not be available in huge portion of the market they are selling iPhone. This never happened before and Apple never directly connected almost all features of the hardware launch with geographically limited area. AI is the only reason why someone should upgrade from iPhone 14 and lower and yet it's only going to work in limited part of the world (China and EU are not going to have AI).
  • canucker2016 2y ago
    Wi-Fi 7 support is confirmed - during the Apple announcement, the summary card of new features showed a "Wi-Fi 7" in the lower right hand corner. see https://www.pcmag.com/news/iphone-16-and-16-pro-get-wi-fi-7-support-for-potential-internet-speed-boost https://www.pcmag.com/news/iphone-16-and-16-pro-get-wi-fi-7-... No idea why they didn't announce it. Maybe they had a rule, "discuss camera and ai features only"?
• j_crick 2y ago
  Hopefully they'll also bump up the SE next spring and keep the button on it.
• MAEWDGGTHETGGYY 2y ago
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• beretguy 2y ago
  No 4 inch device. I’m disappointed. I’ll have to continue using my 1st gen SE.
• tehnub 2y ago
  Anyone know why there's a 1 nit minimum brightness that apparently wasn't on the previous models?
• gigatexal 2y ago
  I think if I were in the market for a new iPhone the non-pro ones are more than enough for me. I’ve a 14 pro max and I don’t use all of it or its pro features. What’s even crazier is I am tempted by the pixel fold — that looks amazing for content consumption which is what I use my phone for the most.
• ungreased0675 2y ago
  I wish there was a 16 Mini being released as well. I prefer smaller phones.
• iansinnott 2y ago
  Curious to see if the apple LLM can interact with any messaging apps other than iMessage. Even amongst my American friends i only have a lone contact that I keep in touch with using iMessage.
• kraig911 2y ago
  I wonder when the iphone 21+ comes out what are we going to call these things? And will they still use software services like AI to differentiate? I mean let's be real they could totally offload AI stuff to the cloud and keep it somewhat 'private' I fear apple is using AI as a way to sell hardware when really it's the same thing with a little more RAM.
• indianmouse 2y ago
  Really boring. Phones,,, apart from the actual functionality, Apple devices have started to become really really boring... One is addiction (deaddiction mindset is becoming a thing) and the next is the fanboism (understandable and unstandable) which actually creates more aversion than anything! While there is nothing wrong, the price to value justification is a like vampirism and surrounding ecosystem and hardware and specs are fine, but the real value of everything that is present is not realised by everyone. Honestly people, how many of the actual iphone users even look at the photos taken in the phone after a day or two? probably 0.0001% (who may be pros who wants to make a statement and probably help fuel the hype for the company!) or some professionals who are stuck (sucked into) the ecosystem (for whatever non-debatable and (some good) reasons!). For the rest, it's a pride to own something costly! That's it. There you go... I said it. It's like I'm owning a device which most people can't afford and I think I'm super and standout,but in reality, it's such a self obsessed and narcissistic feeling and nothing else! It's their marketing and product placement and business tactics. I just need a compact phone for making calls and don't want a device which I will proudly show in front of my face wherever and whenever possible... That's really annoying. Good that I moved away from Apple ecosystem completely and I'm still alive. Just too much hyped year after year... That's the case with most manufacturers and just not these guys!
• mixmix 2y ago
  The iPhone SE 2016 remains to be the best smartphone Apple has ever released. This year, my wife made me replace it with a 13 mini, and it feels nothing but a downgrade: too large, too heavy, camera bumps, no headphone jack, no touch ID, atrocious PWM, etc. Sure, I understand people have different needs from mine and appreciate they have a choice, but it saddens me that I don't anymore, and all I want is a modern (read: not discontinued), compact device that can do what a 10-year-old smartphone could do and gets out the way.
• steve_adams_86 2y ago
  I really hope next year they bring back Touch ID and throw it on the action or camera button. I’m using my action button, I like being able to assign it to ProCamera, but it’s not as useful as it could be. I miss Touch ID. I’m not sure why but Face ID fails for me quite often. Maybe 25% of the time. I have to make a real effort to ensure it works. Straighten out my glasses, hold the phone up and look straight into the camera, ensure good lighting, etc. Though sometimes it will randomly work in nearly pitch black conditions. How the hell? I miss Touch ID.
  • Klonoar 2y ago
    TouchID is what’s kept me on an SE all these years.
  • sharpshadow 2y ago
    I don’t know how it is now but when I was holding the locked iPhone 12 or so of a friend infront of my face I got a tingle feeling inside my forehead. Did anyone experience that?
• xhruso00 2y ago
  The iPhone 16 is only USB2? Embarrassing.
• switch007 2y ago
  Still hackable by Cellebrite right? They want you to put even more of your life on your phone but the security is just smoke and mirrors.
• smellybigbelly 2y ago
  I wish they’d add a terminal app.
• m3kw9 2y ago
  You get the phone for speed for their killer apps, previously it was stuff like instagram, camera, chat, games, now it’s AI and how it will enhance all apps. The slow roll out isn’t great, but Apple is gonna real bake it in. “Show me all my unread messages from the group chat”
• fionaellie 2y ago
  It's so stunning the word appears 13 times on this page.
• evilfred 2y ago
  why is Pro have a massive 6.7" minimum? ugh.
• jFriedensreich 2y ago
  I wonder if i will ever be able to replace my 13 mini.
  • ibash 2y ago
    Though mine has been pretty indestructible. No case only mine, have dropped it a bunch and has a few dents, but the screen is perfect and I still get great battery life.
• wslh 2y ago
  I think the issue with the critical comments on Apple's new releases is that Apple is like Coke, no matter what they do, except for obvious glitches [1], it doesn't significantly impact their success. Apple is incredibly smart in capitalizing on opportunities, like designing and producing their own chips (TSMC's Apple Silicon), privacy advantages, and more. Additionally, there's a 'Hollywood-esque' aspect to the company that adds to its appeal. [1] https://archive.is/uQszo https://archive.is/uQszo
• calini 2y ago
  So happy I got a 15 Pro, I couldn't care less about that button.
• germandiago 2y ago
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• nojvek 2y ago
  After seeing the Diamond article, I kinda want Apple to make a diamond glass indestructible scratch-proof shell. That would be a flex.
• Refusing23 2y ago
  i feel like android phones have become boring too there's just not much new going on. small improvements here and there.. i have a ton of options for my phone, special settings, options to download other apps, to further add new features and i will probably never bother. i wanna use my phone as little as possible
• mdtrooper 2y ago
  These kind of news is in this site (hacker news, instead tech products news)...it is a Eternal September: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
• vertical91 2y ago
  To be honest, I think that after years of incremental updates apple has maxed out the number of "value" features. I don't see a strong reason why Apple has to come out with new features every year. Expecting ground-breaking new features every year is a bit crazy, unless there is a new breakthrough like solid state batteries. Like what's going to be there next year? Flush side buttons to make the phone thinner? Why not apply all those additions in a single iteration and wait 3-4 years to come up with a next major upgrade? Consumers are not dumb anymore and can see through their marketing gimmicks
  • Terretta 2y ago
    > groundbreaking They need to put two Spatial Video cameras on the top right and top left of the phone in landscape, to record 3d video at or a bit wider than pupillary distance. Given a way to watch them, Spatial Video memories "sell" the AVP and/or (if zoomed in) 3D TVs, and the perspective also gives fantastic clues to photo processing algos, 3D model generation, more.
    • walterbell 2y ago
      Can footage from two iPhones be combined?
      • GarnetFloride 2y ago
        I remember a project that used two iPod minis to create 3D (red/blue) videos, so it is possible.
• napolux 2y ago
  My iPhone 14 Pro would be enough until the new Siri will come out in my language. So probably around iPhone 18. My language was not even mentioned yesterday (italian)
• datahack 2y ago
  I haven’t seen more people less impressed by an Apple product release since before the iMac came out. For all the discussion, this was so mid it hurts. I feel like people are poking the product release with a stick. C’mon. Do something.
• crowcroft 2y ago
  My hot take – we've gone past peak camera for most people. Yes, there is an audience that want more and more camera, and the pro caters to that. For a lot of people they just want a pretty good camera that they can quickly capture their memories with, they don't really care for the phone to be wrapped in a camera with a dedicated button etc. I also think in terms of all the AI image processing vs. just giving a natural image the quality peaked at the iPhone 13. I think the camera button is neat, and of course no one is going to avoid an iPhone because of it, but I don't know if it's really going to drive sales more any other small iteration would. Again, the innovation continues to comes from software features.
• graublau 2y ago
  steves keynotes were better than DEI lineup + campus drone porn
• system2 2y ago
  Everytime when they say "stunning" I want to punch an apple employee.
• BigParm 2y ago
  I'm not a fan of their website's aesthetic. Looks like they let the devs do it without hiring an artist.
• sosuke 2y ago
  I’d like a small phone with the newest screen and camera features. The phones with the features keep growing in size,
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• consf 2y ago
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