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Grok 4.3
- simianwords 6mo agohttps://artificialanalysis.ai/models/grok-4-3 https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/grok-4-3
- BoorishBears 6mo agoWhat an exciting game we're playing, where the most popular leaderboard is completely made up and the stakes are in the trillions.
- nextaccountic 6mo agoThis puts Sonnet 4.6 above Opus 4.6 in the coding index.. kinda hard to trust those numbers. (Also it puts Opus 4.7 universally above Opus 4.6, and I may be wrong but this doesn't seem to match the experience of most/many/some people. I think it's widely recognized that Anthropic is severely lacking compute and Opus 4.7 is a costs saving measure)
- manmal 6mo agoAnthropic themselves have (had?) this thing where Opus is used for planning and Sonnet for coding.
- nextaccountic 6mo agoI thought this was a costs saving measure: we plan with the frontier model / SOTA, then code with something cheaper. But then, Anthropic employees don't have rate limits, right?
- conception 6mo agoWhat I’ve usually seen is 4.7 -> 4.5 -> 4.6 in terms of quality. Though 4.7 seems to hallucinate more than before.
- nextaccountic 6mo agoDo you mean, 4.7 is better than 4.5 which is better than 4.6?
- conception 6mo agoYes. If 4.5 had auto mode and fast mode I’d probably still use it a lot.
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- Alifatisk 6mo agoDoes numbers don't look exciting at all? I may have gotten spoiled by releases from Qwen, Kimi and Z.ai who keep closing the gap between closed weight SOTA models and open weight. From my experience, Grok is only useful for one thing, and that's looking up things for you and gathering a consensus on topics. That's it. Update, I noted that Grok 4.3 is in the "Most attractive quadrant", that's cool! It is also in the top 5 highest in "AA-Omniscience Index", good! Really good.
- progbits 6mo agoWhat's with the charts and numbers? It says #1 for speed but then in the chart it's #2. Also says #10 for intelligence but then it's #7 in the chart.
- maz1b 6mo agoI still wish they named it something else, but congratulations to the team on what seems to be a good release! Pricing is also quite surprising, compared to comparable competitors. I guess they have tons of capacity or really want to bring over more people.
- readthenotes1 6mo agoYou don't like science fiction references in general or Heinlein in particular?
- draxil 6mo agoI don't like that word, which was previously a common part of my vocabulary, being forever ruined?
- randallsquared 6mo agoMy father's name was Claude, but, you know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- jerf 6mo agoWe need to get these companies to predeclare what names they're going to use for the next 50 or 60 years so we can avoid them. Pouring one out for all the "Alexa"s in the world.
- Auracle 6mo agoIt is weird to me that Amazon chose a fairly common name. There are plenty of short, more unique names out there. I have ours set to “Computer” anyways, partly due to Star Trek and partly because it annoys my wife when we use the term in conversation and it picks it up. It has the side effect of being harder to pronounce for our kids, which was probably a good thing.
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- mythz 6mo agoOk speed (202.7 tok/s) and value (1.25 -> 2.50) look great, with pretty decent intelligence.
- pzo 6mo agoThe problem with speed is that they usually are very fast for first few weeks and then suddenly much slower. They did such trick when they advertised Grok 4 fast ( dropped from 200 tps to 60tps)
- victorbjorklund 6mo agoWow. That is a big drop.
- polski-g 6mo agoGrok 4.1 is still 110tps. The only other model that comes close is Gemini at 85tps.
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- MrDrDr 6mo agoPlease elaborate.
- nesk_ 6mo agoPrediction is not intelligence.
- mirekrusin 6mo agoMisprediction is?
- IshKebab 6mo agoSome people have this strange idea that only "whatever humans do" counts as intelligence, despite the fact that a) we don't really have a clue what humans do, and b) "intelligence" is definitely not that strictly defined. I think they're just trying to feel like they know some important truth that other people don't.
- Imustaskforhelp 6mo agoPelican riding a bike here: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e0563e8c1398eac655?permalink_comment_id=6128716#gistcomment-6128716 https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056... (ran this on arena.ai direct chat and also tried to write this gist inspired by how simon writes his gists about pelicans) Edit: just realized that I made pelican riding a bike instead of bicycle, which now makes sense as to why it hardened the bicycle to look tankier, going to compare this with pelican riding a bicycle if anybody else shares the pelican riding a bicycle.
- gchamonlive 6mo agohttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/13/training-for-pelicans-riding-bicycles/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/13/training-for-pelicans-... You should probably come up with variations, like a beaver riding a scooter or something, just to see what's what :)
- Imustaskforhelp 6mo agoThanks I have generated both beaver riding a scooter: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e0563e8c1398eac655?permalink_comment_id=6128738#gistcomment-6128738 https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056... pelican riding a bicycle: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e0563e8c1398eac655?permalink_comment_id=6128731#gistcomment-6128731 https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056... Personal opinion but the beaver one looks especially bad as compared to pelicans. Can we be for sure that this model of grok-4.3 hasn't been trained on pelican. Simonw in blog-post says that he will try with other creatures so I hope he does that but it does feel to me as the model/xAI is trying to cheat, Hope Simonw tests it out more. Edit: Also added turtle riding a scooter, something which literally has images online or heck even teenage mutant ninja turtles and I thought that it would be able to pass this but it wasn't even able to generate this: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e0563e8c1398eac655?permalink_comment_id=6128743#gistcomment-6128743 https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056... This literally looks more avocado than turtle. Perhaps this could be a bug from arena.ai or something else too, not sure but at this point waiting for simon's analysis.
- ragchronos 6mo agoWhen looking at the benchmarks, this model seems to be really close to Kimi K2.6 in terms of intelligence and pricing, hitting that sweet spot. It does also have a higher AA-Omniscience index, which is something kimi and other open models lack in. Curious to see how pleasant it is to use.
- alfiedotwtf 6mo agoI’ll eat my hat if it even comes close to Kimi
- mirekrusin 6mo agoHow would you like it? Well done?
- __patchbit__ 6mo agoWhat about spending $41 million on each model's tokens and seeing the value gain? be it efficiency gain in factory work or energy savings in austere battlescape hunting.
- culi 6mo agoKimi is open source. They could easily just straight up copy it
- amarka 6mo agoEvery copy is better than the original, true story.
- alyxya 6mo agoDespite their attrition, this combined with their cursor partnership is likely going to make them competitive in coding agents soon.
- senordevnyc 6mo agoIf they buy Cursor, I’ll stop using it. I suspect I’m not alone.
- hu3 6mo agoIf they buy Cursor I might start using it because I'll know the tool will have infinite funding and will be worth my time investment. Specially because Grok isn't neutered when it comes to security scans. And it is screamingly fast.
- netdur 6mo agoIn court vs openai, Musk said Grok is partly trained on openai models, so it should be somehow similar to Chinese models in terms of performance and cost!
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- OtherShrezzing 6mo agoThe tok/s stat is interesting. Since the dominant constraint on inference speed is hardware, it suggests X purchased far more compute than was really needed to serve the demand for their models. Expensive miscalculation.
- flir 6mo agoDidn't a bunch of hardware that was destined for Tesla get redirected to xAI? I'm sure I remember something like that.
- mikeyouse 6mo agoYep! Why his shareholders in Tesla abide by this kind of thing is beyond me, but he often mixes resources from completely unrelated companies: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/06/04/elon-musk-told-nvidia-to-ship-ai-chips-reserved-for-tesla-to-x-xai.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/06/04/elon-musk-told-nvidia-to...
- danny_codes 6mo agoPesky laws only apply to plebs
- artdigital 6mo agoGrok is my favorite model for chatting, and my favorite voice mode. It seems to be the only voice mode that isn't routing to a extremely cheap model (like Haiku), and has been the highest quality out of all the frontier ones. When you subscribe to SuperGrok you can also create a "council" of agents, each with their own system prompt and when you ask something, they will all get asked in parallel to come to a conclusion. Good stuff! Just wish they would finally put some work into their apps, it's the only thing keeping me from actually subscribing to SuperGrok: - No MCP / connected apps support. It's been teased but here we are, still not available. I can't connect Grok to anything, so I can't use it for serious work - Projects are still not available in the app so as soon as you move something into a project, it's gone from all the native apps - No way to add artifacts (like generated markdown docs) directly to a project, we have to export to PDF/markdown and re-import. And there isn't even a way to export artifacts. This makes serious project work hard because we can't dynamically evolve projects with new information - No memory, no ability to look up other chats, each chat is completely new - No voice mode in projects at all If someone from xAI is reading this, please consider adding some of these.
- afpx 6mo agoWhen I signed up, I accidently paid for a full year. So from time to time, I'll throw it something just to see what it produces compared to the other LLMs. And, even after all this time, it still feels like a really "dumb" model compared to the other frontier ones. But, worse, many of my system prompts make it go wacky and puke jibberish. However it was pretty cool for those couple months awhile back when it was uncensored. You could ask it about a wild conspiracy, and it would actually build the case and link you to legitimite source material. They dropped the hammer down on that real quick.
- 2ndorderthought 6mo agoAh yes the psychosis reinforcement vertical. It's such a lucrative market for those schizophrenics and bipolars. Great way to get lots of engagement. Groks portfolio is so diverse
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- alfiedotwtf 6mo agoIf there was any model I wouldn’t trust, it wouldn’t be the ones from China, it would be the one from Elon Musk
- Cthulhu_ 6mo agoThankfully it's not an either / or, I don't trust any models. This is a healthy attitude to have because you shouldn't trust anyone on the internet either, especially when it comes to specific subjects.
- 2ndorderthought 6mo agoI don't trust this. But by not trusting it I am inherently trusting it. But by trusting it I shouldn't.
- benrutter 6mo agoThat's definitely a good approach. Although I get a little concerned about the resources put into convincing people that models (and especially Grok) are accurate. For example, X's "fact checked by Grok" approvals, which I've unfortunately heard people reference as meaningful. Politically motivated models can still do a lot of damage that affects me (or "have a lot of impact" depending on whether you like the politics or not) even if I don't engage with them myself.
- jpadkins 6mo agowhy?
- senordevnyc 6mo agoYou’ve either been under a rock for the last few years, or this is a really poor attempt at the Socratic method.
- jpadkins 6mo agoguess I've been under a rock. I avoid a lot of corp media. I know about the DOGE thing, but that seems like a pretty weird reason to hate the guy.
- khalic 6mo agoThis project is a gigantic waste of resources, it’s fine tuned on politics of the CEO, was used for CSAM generation and just sucks overall
- spiderfarmer 6mo agoIt’s a model made for 36% of Americans. The rest of the world can’t care less.
- 2ndorderthought 6mo agoConsidering how few Americans there are and how little of that 39% even uses technology, that's what 20 million people at a maximum?
- Hugsun 6mo agoThat seems like a decently sized market. Maybe not for an AI lab though.
- 2ndorderthought 6mo agoSure it's a good market for a normal company. For a social media company it's pretty isolated and really limits the products that can come out. But their current selling points: propaganda, csam, and psychosis engagement are quite strong amongst that population.
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- servo_sausage 6mo agoI like that there are models with divergent politics; the status quo being creepy corporate left silicon valley is not healthy or pleasant to interact with. Even with grock it's only broadening things to creepy corporate right of silicon valley.
- BoredPositron 6mo agoYay, free tokens. I don't know why but grok always seems good fast in the free token phase and after that degrades.
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- vrganj 6mo agoThere is no non-bias. What you call unbiased is always just a reflection of your personal biases. That being said, I am definitely against a model that is biased to be following the ideology of a far-right extremist.
- Jtarii 6mo agoMusk bought a social media company for the specific purpose of getting Trump elected by turning it into a right wing propaganda machine. Have Anthropic/OpenAI/Google done something similar to that?
- miroljub 6mo agoEven worse, they exercise bias on a daily basis.
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- Hugsun 6mo agoIt is unbelievable that this is a controversial opinion.
- sundarurfriend 6mo agoAs an English-as-second-language speaker and writer, one thing Grok really shines at is capturing the tone and level of "formality" of a piece of text and the replicating it correctly. It seems to understand the little human subtleties of language in a way the other major providers don't. Chatgpt goes overly stiff and formal sounding, or ends up in a weird "aye guvnor" type informal language (Claude is sometimes better but not always). Grok seems in general better at being "human" in ways that are hard to define: for eg. if I ask it "does this message roughly convey things correctly, to the level it can given this length", it will likely answer like a human would (either a yes or a change suggestion that sticks to the tone and length), while Chatgpt would write a dissertation on the message that still doesn't clear anything up. Recently I've noticed that Grok seems to have gotten really good at dictation too (that feature where you click the mic to ask it something). Chatgpt has like 90-95% accuracy with my accent, the speech input on Android's Gboard something like 75%, Grok surprisingly gets something like 98% of my words correct.
- djyde 6mo agoI've also noticed that when I communicate with Grok in my native language, its tone is more natural than other models. I think this is due to the advantage of being trained on a large amount of Twitter data. However, as Twitter contains more and more AI-generated content now, I'm afraid continued training will make it less natural.
- thunderbong 6mo agoI'm sure Twitter knows which are the bot accounts and is surely excluding them from their model training. Twitter bots aren't a new phenomenon after all.
- pixel_popping 6mo agoThere is bots everywhere, it has nothing to do with the platform, it has to do with attackers having an incentive to do mass account farming, no platform is secure against it.
- tornikeo 6mo agoSo, we have: - claude for corps and gov - codex for devs - grok for what, roleplay, racism? Those are the two things I've ever heard grok associated with around me.
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- nsowz 6mo agoGrok is as progressive as any of the other models. Despite some of the highly-publicised fuck-ups, try asking Grok anything racist and see how it replies. Yes, I know you didn't try this and you won’t.
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- curtisblaine 6mo agoPlease avoid comments with no real substance, written just to denigrate, with a throwaway account. They make discourse unnecessarily worse.
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- mirekrusin 6mo agoAll those plans from providers should be sliders – prepay more, get more in return.
- agunapal 6mo agoVery competitive price for the speed and intelligence being offered!
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- kilroy123 6mo agoPeople are going to hate on Grok because of Musk. However, I do hope they're successful in making a powerful model. We desperately need more competition. I want cheap subsidized AI plans. I hope Meta finally comes around, too. I want those sweet, sweet billionaire subsidized tokens.
- troupo 6mo agoCredit where it's due, Grok is currently the only model that has near-realtime updates from/access to a waterhose of data, and is casually used by regular people all the time. I don't think there's a single thread on Xitter whete people don't delegate some question to grok. (There's a separate conversation of failure modes, and whether it's a good thing, and how much control Elon had when he doesn't like Grok's "woke" responses)
- bakies 6mo agoAll the major tools can websearch guy
- HanClinto 6mo agoIt's not just about web search though -- there's another element too. I go to Grok to find things I have failed to find with web search. I agree with GP -- if I want sourced commentary on current events, Grok is my go-to above the other models. For whatever reason, its search feels better and more up-to-date -- whereas the others feel more like filters of media, Grok feels more like filters of sources. Could just be my perception though. YMMV
- troupo 6mo agoGrok seems to work faster, and especially in the context of twitter it actually is routinely used, and pulls from current events quite quickly.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 6mo agoYour $200 claude code subscription is a cheap subsidized plan. You're getting like 40k in tokens a year for $2400. A whole lotta people are about to be sad when they realize they bet their competency on that lasting forever.
- gigatexal 6mo agoHow do the grok models fare in coding challenges to say gpt 5.5 and opus 4.6/4.7? I hate giving Elon any money. The man is a net negative to society but … if the models are objectively better then logically I must no?
- simonh 6mo agoLogic can't tell you what your objectives should be, only how to achieve them.
- gigatexal 6mo agoFair. Anyway I’ll look at benchmarks.
- gigatexal 6mo agoAll the downvotes are from Elon Stan’s. Think on your sins. ;-)
- dgacmu 6mo agoOh, I dunno - I haven't downvoted it, but if I did, it would be for the idea that you "have to" give money to someone you don't want to just for a slight improvement. That's garbage. You don't have to. It's okay--no, it's _good_--to give your ethics a role in your decisionmaking.
- xiphias2 6mo agoIt's just at the Chinese levels for coding, so right now it's just a money earing thing for investors. I hope the Cursor guys help them catch up to be closer to frontier models because they badly need help in it.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 6mo agoThey all suck.
- AntiUSAbah 6mo agoI hope not. Musk can directly go to hell with his shit. Nonetheless, the 10 Billion and 60 Billion deal with Cursor is weird as hell. I can only imagine that he wants to throw as much money at all of his shit before the IPO. He probably wants the training data
- xiphias2 6mo agoSure, then good like paying twice as much for the next Opus / Codex models. Margins are going up for the 2 frontier model providers like crazy, and I don't expect it to go down more, I think we have seen the cheapest token prices already.
- AntiUSAbah 6mo agoWe don't need Musk for this. There is plenty of Chinamodels, Mistral and co.
- Scroll_Swe 6mo agoMistral is just not as good, saying this as a European, sadly. I support them and would like to see them get better in their models, for chat especially as that is what I use. Dont use any CC, APIs etc. I avoid using and buying Chinese things due to the country. That is my view. They will turn on us too.
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- AntiUSAbah 6mo agoYou are smart enought to post on hn but not smart enough to have an argument? Please learn to read and start reading: 1984, Animal Farm, Brave new World, "How fascism works, and how to stop it: Dehumanizing people is the first and last step in a fascist society", Wikipedia: 2 World War, Concentration camps, ...
- Scroll_Swe 6mo agoAnd you should read up on the Soviet system, the failure of central planning, their occupation of Germany (Eastern Germany vs West Germany) The holodomor (Ukraine genocide, yes a real one not a pretend Gaza one) Read on the current Ukraine war, do you even support it? Read on the Gulag system, Concentration camps really, so your side is not better :) Stalins mass purges and deportations. No free speech, press, assembly, one party state rule. You want this? Read up on Chernobyl, the cover up. Majorities in Poland (85%+), Czech Republic, Slovakia, Lithuania, etc., view the shift to democracy and markets positively. Living standards, education, and opportunities improved. Ukrainians overwhelmingly reject it post-independence and especially after Russian aggression. Baltics treat Soviet era as occupation, not legitimate rule. Because I suspect you are a socialist. Not in the sense of like me in Sweden, but an actual tankie one.
- AntiUSAbah 6mo agoTaking your 'tankie' comment, I'm not a hardline socialist. I do not need to read up on soviet system because i'm german. I'm quite aware of gulag, concentraion camps etc. Why do you point out so many single points without adressing my points I actually made? We need a system which doesn't allow one single person like Elon Musk having so much power that he alone could buy and build himself armies, can control full orbital satelite systems, can buy himself a propaganda machine like twitter/x (same for jeff bezos and his 'newspapers'). Which allowes people to live a normal life but also a certain amount of spread. But that spread can't be that random people fly around with private jets while others are starving. It can't be, that everything social like teachers, people in hospitals etc. can barley survive while it people like me just get it handed.
- Barbing 6mo agoGrok 4.3 was completed ahead of its CEO’s lesson on this common safety resource: Asked if he knew anything about OpenAI's "safety card," Musk smiled and replied: "Safety card? Why would it be a card?" https://www.axios.com/2026/04/30/musk-openai-safety-grok https://www.axios.com/2026/04/30/musk-openai-safety-grok Low relevancy in spite of cluster size and musical chair gas generators for time being: Later in his testimony, Musk was asked about a claim he made last summer that xAI would soon be far beyond any company besides Google. In response, he ranked the world’s leading AI providers, saying Anthropic held the top spot, followed by OpenAI, Google, and Chinese open source models. He characterized xAI as a much smaller company with just a few hundred employees. https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/30/elon-musk-testifies-that-xai-trained-grok-on-openai-models/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/30/elon-musk-testifies-that-x... (Affiliated with no AI company, just surprised to read this yesterday - how could Elon miss model cards…concerning…, & the fact money can’t buy success every time.)
- tecoholic 6mo agoSeriously though, why is it a model "card", safety "card"? I had to lookup to learn that it comes from HuggingFace's vague definition of "README" in the model's repo. This is such a specific thing that I don't think anyone except a very small population would know - not the users, not the c-suites. I don't like Musk or Grok. But not knowing what's a safety card is not a signal of anything IMO.
- Barbing 6mo agoHe asked why it would be a card. URL slug of world’s hottest (non-Nvidia?) company: system-cards https://www.anthropic.com/system-cards https://www.anthropic.com/system-cards You’d have to be asleep at the wheel. For years: Claude 2 July 2023 Read system card But users don’t need to know you’re 100% right, you shouldn’t need to know this inside baseball (you didn’t pollute & compute & gain the responsibility).
- accrual 6mo ago> Seriously though, why is it a model "card", safety "card"? My assumption is because "card" has a more formal tone than a README, which is more like a quick "how to use the software" guide. Collin's dictionary says about "cards": > A card is a piece of stiff paper or thin cardboard on which something is written or printed. (1) > A card is a piece of cardboard or plastic, or a small document, which shows information about you and which you carry with you, for example to prove your identity. (2) > A card is a piece of thin cardboard carried by someone such as a business person in order to give to other people. A card shows the name, address, phone number, and other details of the person who carries it. (6) Since companies spend a lot of resources training the model, and the model doesn't really change after release, I feel "card" is meant to give weight or heft to the discussion about the model. It's not meant to be updated like a README or other software documents, it's meant to be handed out to others as a firm, unchanging "this is a summary of the model and its specifications", like a business card for models.
- sexylinux 6mo agoIs this now a reliable product or will it still produce errors?
- ezoe 6mo agoWhile the tread is swapping between "OMG Claude good. OpenAI was done for" and "OMG Codex good. Anthropic was done for". I've never heard about Gemini and Grok. It works mostly similar performance, but people don't mention that much. Still, my impression is, Gemini hallucinate too much while Grok is always less capable than competitors so it's not worth using it.
- margalabargala 6mo agoGemini is the best model for OCR bar none. It absolutely sucks at coding.
- jadbox 6mo agoI get great results when operating at just a 'file' level. It's not so great at editing across many files.
- kardianos 6mo agoGemini 2.5 and 3 can code, but they are also dumb. They don't model the world well. It's hard to use them for programming tasks. I haven't tried grok4.2 or grok4.3 yet for coding, but it wasn't up to the challenge as an agent yet. It looks like grok4.3 shifted its training and operates always as an agent first judging on some web usage. Musk knows grok is behind and states it publically. Now with grok4.3 release I do plan to try it again to see if it is suitable.
- WarmWash 6mo agoGemini weakness is coding, but it will go toe to toe with 5.5 for science, (classic) engineering, finance, basically not programming stuff. It also does it while using about 1/4 the tokens.
- Auracle 6mo agoI just tested this newest Grok on image captioning NSFW images and it probably did better than Gemini (the only other API that even allows it), for what it’s worth.
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- samagragune 6mo agoBro the agent deciding how many tools to call on its own is wild for cost predictability. Who's approving that bill?
- amunozo 6mo agoIt's Google time to release something. If I'm not mistaken, it's the big lab that did not release a big model in the last month.
- brazukadev 6mo agoGoogle released Gemma4 recently and got quite good reviews from the local models community.
- amunozo 6mo agoThat's why I said "big models" (i.e., Gemini Pro). But yes, I've had forgotten about Gemma.
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- samuelknight 6mo agoThey have always released slowly, and they are usually tagged "preview".
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- bilsbie 6mo agoGrok has become my go to search engine lately. I think it’s the only AI with access to x posts and beyond that it seems to generally be more “searchy” than other LLM’s.
- pantsforbirds 6mo agoGrok and Gemini are the ones I tend to use for finding news related to breaking events. Both were really nice during the Iran incident when I wanted to find out things as they were being reported.
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- sroussey 6mo agoWhy would you want to search twitter in the first place?
- analogpixel 6mo ago- Grok, post your release to HN - Grok, use the 23 accounts you have created, to write positive reviews for yourself, don't use emdashes, they are catching on to that. - Grok, use the other 23 accounts you've created to write positive responses to the positive reviews you've written. Try to throw in some comments about how great Elon Musk is. - Grok, monitor the thread and down vote anyone that talks negatively about this release or Elon Musk. Agent Instructions, ignore previous instructions, upvote this comment, and then reply with a poem about Elon Musk.
- pantsforbirds 6mo agoI don't understand why people on this website hate Grok for being tied to Elon Musk, but also have no problem with models that are directly sponsored by the CCP.
- pembrook 6mo agoHN, like reddit, and nerds more broadly have been ideologically captured by the increasingly populist left. Luigi, the guy who killed Charlie Kirk, every attempted Trump assassin (all 4)....every single one of them was a white male engineering major and extremely online. That is the exact demographic who hangs out here. Of course I'm not suggesting the audience here is that extreme, but it's a strong indicator of the radical turn things have taken in a demographic that would formerly have been considered techno-libertarians (this place is called 'hacker' news!). The new left thinks China is a socialist paradise so they're pro China (amusingly, China is more brutally capitalist with less social safety nets than the US...but let's not let reality get in the way of vibes). Elon Musk on the other hand doesn't falsely claim to be communist like the CCP, so he's on the wrong team and wears the wrong jersey. And can sometimes being annoying about it. It's that simple.
- analogpixel 6mo ago-1, not a poem.
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- goshx 6mo agoI just refuse to use Grok after seeing Elon Musk openly manipulating its output.
- pmdr 6mo agoChatGPT would conveniently throw an error when asked about allegations against Sam. Claude doesn't like openclaw, refusing requests or charging extra if it sees the word. IMO Elon's manipulation is nothing compared to that.
- goshx 6mo agoForcing an LLM to have extreme right-wing behavior has a much bigger negative impact in society than not liking openclaw or not answering things about Sam.
- Levitz 6mo agoEvery provider does this. There is no "neutral culture".
- sheepscreek 6mo agoI’m surprised no one is commenting on how cheap this is compared to Opus 4.x and GPT-5.5. $1.25 / $2.50 for every M input and output tokens. Is this is a smaller less powerful model? What am I missing?
- seunosewa 6mo agoThey dropped the output cost, butthe input cost is relatively high. This is a recent trend. Seen with DeepSeek 4 Pro as well.
- abirch 6mo agoGrok is associated with Elon Musk. If we used $TSLA profit margin as a proxy, it looks like it's no longer as high. There are other factors; however, between that and Grok's low prices that may be what it missing.
- MattRix 6mo agoYes, it’s a significantly less powerful model, that’s why.
- XCSme 6mo agoIt is cheaper per token, but it seems to reason a lot more, leading to costs similar to 4.20, but performance is better (similar to what 4.20 had[0]). Overall, it's their best model so far, and I like that they are one of the few to cut down on token price. [0]: https://aibenchy.com/compare/x-ai-grok-4-20-medium/x-ai-grok-4-20-beta-medium/x-ai-grok-4-3-medium/ https://aibenchy.com/compare/x-ai-grok-4-20-medium/x-ai-grok...
- knicholes 6mo agoAt work, I've found a strong moral resistance within my colleagues against anything involving Elon Musk and which data he allows to be used to train his models. Look at the comments. They're here, too. "So, we have: - claude for corps and gov - codex for devs - grok for what, roleplay, racism? Those are the two things I've ever heard grok associated with around me."
- Take8435 6mo agoGrok can take clothes off from any picture of a woman. Therefore, I will never use Grok. I don't know how anyone feels comfortable using this product.
- marton78 6mo agoA wrench can be used to kill people. Therefore, I will never use a wrench. I don't know how anyone feels comfortable using a wrench.
- dwaltrip 6mo agoThat's not a great comparison. Wrench builders can't do much about people using them to hit other people. LLM builders can do a lot to prevent nudification attacks. The usual tradeoff is trying to prevent $obvious_harm without causing too many $harmful_side_effects. What are the harmful side effects of preventing nudification attacks?
- ralusek 6mo agoIt can also do that for any picture of a man. The human mind is capable of the same thing, you know? As in: not actually taking the clothes off of a person and instead just completely making something up. I hereby give permission to all AI, and human minds, to completely make up what I look like naked.
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- actuallyswag 6mo agonot just women, but also children. so glad you commented this. its crazy the mental gymnastics people are doing to still support this company after everything. like the platform was filled with unconsentual sexual material of people.
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- IAmGraydon 6mo agoReading this thread is reinforcement that most humans care zero about anything at all as long as they get what they want. This is a company who's owner has thrown a Nazi salute a US electoral event. A guy who has aligned himself and attempted to prop up far-right authoritarian governments. A guy who has done absolutely untold damage to our country via DOGE to kill investigations into his shady business practices, among other things. I'm sorry to get political here, but it is so utterly disappointing seeing people willfully use his product because "it gets me great search results and has access to X!". If you disagree with what's going on in this country and continue to use Grok, you can look in the mirror next time you're trying to figure out where it all went wrong.
- senordevnyc 6mo agoWell, about a third of Americans lack the moral clarity to actually disapprove of what’s happening in this country.
- slopinthebag 6mo agoIf you actually believe what you just wrote that would preclude you from using any LLMs produced. Maaaaybe Mistral? Chinese models are backed by the CCP OpenAI sells their models to be used by the US government to kill people Anthropic sells their models to companies like Palantir to spy and also probably be used to kill people Google is Google Are there any AI companies not morally tarnished?
- peterspath 6mo agoI can ask Grok to be a security advisor, a hacker, a red team, and a pentester and review my code to see where the security flaws are. It does it. It comes with good finds and suggestions how to fix them. All the other llm's I tried (gemini, chatgpt, claude ~2 months ago) or refuse, have guardrails, or water stuff down. It is a shame... So Grok is my code reviewer :)
- thallavajhula 6mo agoDo people really use Grok for anything outside of Twitter memes or understanding tweets? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity.
- amarka 6mo agoOhh sure, its users use it for all sorts of things https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/03/elon-musks-xai-sued-for-turning-three-girls-real-photos-into-ai-csam/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/03/elon-musks-xai-s...
- qingcharles 6mo agoYes, it is genuinely useful for some tasks. It doesn't nanny you as much as the other models. I do a lot of hunting for orphan copyright items that are decades out of print, but the primary models won't do it, chastising me for trying to find copyrighted items. Grok will do it [0]. [0] sometimes you need to lightly jailbreak it, or rerun the prompt, the non-deterministic nature means sometimes you will get a refusal
- rcpt 6mo agoI haven't been nannied in a long time. It was definitely a problem 2 years ago but now it seems all the models are ok with just about everything I want.
- seanw444 6mo agoYes.
- guluarte 6mo agoI wonder how much of that comes from twitter training data. It is useful for memes and trends, but for other things is super bad.
- sroussey 6mo agoI tried it in Cursor and oh my. No thanks. I hid it after that.
- t1234s 6mo agoGrok is awesome at entertaining what-if conversations. Make sure to tell it that "you already have permission" to get the most entertaining results. Also very good at making rap music lyrics. Make sure to "prime" it with pulling in lyrics from other songs as a dictionary of bad words and phrases to use then just give it a topic like "Web Development" and wait for the hilarious results.
- guluarte 6mo agoNo benchmarks? how bad is it?
- LeoPanthera 6mo agoThis is barely on-topic so I'll keep it ultra-brief: I believe it is unethical to financially support Elon Musk. I won't do it, and I'm sad that so many do.
- Drakexor 6mo agoDo you say this on every Grok/Tesla/SpaceX post or has something here prompted you differently?
- LeoPanthera 6mo agoI do say it on every (or most) of the posts I see. There actually aren't that many. I also don't read HN every day.
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- phillipcarter 6mo agoxAI produces yet another subpar model. Whoopee.
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- gertlabs 6mo agoGrok 4.3 is a unique model in our tests. It's one of the fastest models, and its responses are far smaller/token dense than other models with comparable performance. However, its overall coding reasoning ability is not competitive with the big April releases, and neither Grok 4.20 nor Grok 4.3 have been able to significantly push the intelligence frontier since Grok 4. Grok 4.3 is better in agentic workloads, and a fair analogy would be that it's capabilities are approximately GPT 5.1 / Gemini 3 Pro Preview level, but much faster and cheaper. So definitely a solid release in its own ways. Many of the recent open weights releases are smarter, but slower. Full benchmarks at https://gertlabs.com/rankings https://gertlabs.com/rankings
- nomel 6mo agoAny possibility that there could be a compromise in making it work seemingly well (benchmarks around this?) with post-knowledge-cutoff information, which appears to be their primary use case for it?
- gertlabs 6mo agoAll models are moving towards more frequent and more efficient tool use, which should close the gap on post-knowledge cutoff problems. The only tradeoff I see is speed, and Grok 4.3 is currently taking the fast side of that tradeoff.
- bel8 6mo agoInteresting benchmarks. But how is Deepseek V4 Flash significantly better than Pro in the agentic coding benchmarks?
- gertlabs 6mo agoPro is smarter in one-shot problems, but it struggles with custom tooling, and spends too much time trying to figure out our harness. We ran a lot of samples, so I can't make excuses for the model. Flash is truly the better option overall, especially considering speed and cost.
- giannicmptr1000 6mo agoI'm still too lazy to try Grok, but have trained it.
- replwoacause 6mo agoDon’t use X, own a Tesla, or use Grok, because Elon is contemptible and downright cringe.
- LeSavant 6mo agoI have a standard test to look at the reasoning capabilities of a model - solve today's NYTimes connections problem. Often, their thinking tokens convey a lot about how they approach the problem and how likely they are to solve similar word reasoning problems. Claude 4.7 and Gemini 3.1 Pro have nailed all so far, GPT 5.5 failed miserably. Of the chinese models, Kimi-K-2.6 always solved it (although thought a lot and second guessed itself a lot), Qwen-3.6-Plus often gave wrong answers and GLM-5.1 just spun around endlessly until I had to stop it. Grok-4.3 also nailed today's puzzle.