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GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

1468 points by Handy-Man 1y ago

jrochkind1 1y ago
I do not think of Github as primarily an AI product or service. That Microsoft does is certainly alarming. I still feel that there's no competitor I like as much. But that may not matter.
buyucu 1y ago
Expect Github to get worse. Much worse.
- Rochus 1y ago
  Why?
  - buyucu 1y ago
    Microsoft customer experience is usually horrible.
- beefnugs 1y ago
  What more damage can they do besides train AI on all code without consent? Oh wait i guess fisting ads into other peoples code somehow...
  - arresin 1y ago
    It’s Microsoft. Look how much they’ve mismanaged their current assets.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
    > What more damage can they do besides train AI on all code That's GitHub code -> AI. The damage will be AI code -> GitHub CoPilot already gives (bad) code reviews on GitHub PRs.
  - ksherlock 1y ago
    They could spam you with low-quality AI (but I repeat myself) PRs. Maybe add some vaguely plausible but utterly incorrect bug reports as well. Look at the some of the AI slop curl deals with -- https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2025/07/14/death-by-a-thousand-slops/ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2025/07/14/death-by-a-thousand-s... -- and imagine your issues list filled with that.
  - mbreese 1y ago
    I’m envisioning VSCode Vibe Server 2026 edition.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
      It's called "CoPilot Agent Mode" https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/ide/copilot-agent-mode https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/ide/copilot-a...
  - benoau 1y ago
    One tried-and-true classic is to delete old stuff, and GitHub has a lot of old stuff... in a couple years someone will calculate an amount they can save.
  - dceddia 1y ago
    Today we can still anonymously clone repos.
  - aruggirello 1y ago
    Who knows? Deprecate manual code writing someday? 'You're trying to commit some code, sir, but Microsoft Defender©, Git Edition™ has determined it wasn't generated by any of our tools, as reported by telemetry, so changes have been blocked for your own convenience, safety and ultimately, wellbeing. Starting september, 2029 we're only accepting commands from Microsoft products such as Visual Studio Autocode©, Cortana AGI Edition™ and Microsoft Office 2028 Clippy©. Please ask Microsoft James Bond® to take action and he'll solve the issue for you [Charges may apply]. We're also deprecating git push, pull, etc. since Microsoft Tools are so much more secure, optimized and convenient that nobody wants to use those ancient commands anymore.'
- bithive123 1y ago
  That didn't take long. There appears to be some kind of outage now, I'm seeing unicorns all over the place. I even got a 403 from githubstatus.com.
JohnTHaller 1y ago
GitHub will now fall under Microsoft's CoreAI team, which give some indication of GitHub's purpose and direction going forward.
- dathinab 1y ago
  right ... wtf We could barely convince the reviewers on the last review that using GitHub is okay as long as we take some extra steps, I guess we should prepare to switch to a different platform with the next review.
  - whimsicalism 1y ago
    reviewers?
    - layer8 1y ago
      Auditors?
      - dathinab 1y ago
        yes auditors from a security audit
        whimsicalism 1y ago
        you could barely convince your auditors that using github was okay? well, my opinion of security audits is reaffirmed
        anileated 1y ago
        Security audits are just theater. If they were not, you could not ever convince them that using a platform feeding unlicensed source (including apparently from private repositories) to their commercial LLM is ever a pass.
elAhmo 1y ago
This was inevitable and going towards the direction, but it is sad to see this part of CoreAI division. Copilot and other AI initiatives should not be the primary driver of GitHub's vision.
- __turbobrew__ 1y ago
  Github may have more value as the largest software training corpus in the world than as a paid VCS, and Microsoft gets to uniquely utilize that as they will have non rate limited internal APIs and/or dumps to train on.
  - AlexandrB 1y ago
    I assume they already had those APIs - Github was already owned by Microsoft. By prioritizing AI feature over the core experience it's possible that Github stops being the largest software training corpus in the future.
    - tonyhart7 1y ago
      I assume they would make other major company to have an github integration out of the box so it would be feeding off itself from "vibe coder" an have an singularity generated corpus around AI tooling
  - tremon 1y ago
    This -- Github's future is as a training source for Microsoft's AI products, and as a honeypot for collecting more training data.
- martin-t 1y ago
  You're looking at it from a developer's POV. Your goals are a quality product that helps you with your work. Microsoft's goal is to make money by making software or ~~selling~~ renting services. You are a cost center. And what do managers do to cost centers? They outsource them, either to artificial "intelligence" or actual Indians. By plagiarizing stolen code, disregarding its original license, they hope to make the former actually work.
JaKXz 1y ago
Yikes
dcchambers 1y ago
> GitHub moving into Core AI team On the one hand, this probably means it gets the funding it needs to keep going strong. On the other hand, I'm worried that this means that GitHub is going to focus exclusively on building AI features while the core product becomes stale/abandoned.
- klabb3 1y ago
  > while the core product becomes stale/abandoned Im more concerned about random breakages. When you have org pressure to add features rapidly shit breaks. Stale would be best case scenario.
- netsharc 1y ago
  Will it be Bob or Clippy? $ git commit The git command has been changed to bob, please type 'bob commit' to commit.
- brownriceowl 1y ago
  Did GitHub have a funding problem? They doubled revenue last year, with 40% of that coming from GitHub Copilot. I imagine that for 2025, the increase will be much higher than even that. I expect that the problem that Microsoft aims to fix is that people can use GitHub effortlessly without locking into Azure and Power Platform
  - dcchambers 1y ago
    > Did GitHub have a funding problem? I don't believe so, and I didn't mean to imply that. Rather just that if they are part of the "Core AI" org then they will likely remain a priority area of investment for Microsoft...right now anyway.
yoyohello13 1y ago
I moved to GitLab a year or so ago. It’s been great, I actually prefer GitLab ci
- LeifCarrotson 1y ago
  I did as well! No issues any worse than people using habitually using "github" to mean "the remote git repository in the cloud". I expect this will continue indefinitely until the product becomes little more than an AI training corpus and genericized trademark, similar to how our Xerox machines at work are actually made by Brother, while Xerox the actual brand has faded into obsolescence. I will note that we don't use many of the CI/CD/issue tracking/wiki/etc. features, though both Github and Gitlab offer them. I'm sure they have their own particular quirks that may be a hassle to migrate between and have people relearn. I prefer to keep those tools separate, allowing the git repository be almost exclusively a git repository and spinning up other tools as needed.
  - yoyohello13 1y ago
    We use GitLab ci, issue tracking, dep scanning, everything at work and I can report it is amazing. All self hosted and never had any issues. I’ve got our entire deployment process setup through GitLab ci and it’s been rock solid. It’s $150/month per seat for the ultimate tier, but it’s 100% been worth it for us.
- alabhyajindal 1y ago
  Doesn't GitLab suffer from the same problem of pushing AI? They have many AI features, and position themselves as "The most-comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps platform".
  - alex_suzuki 1y ago
    I'm not using any AI features, and I'm not even aware of any, but I did see it on their website too and it's a bit concerning. My hope is that it's just something they have to say right now and not a strategic direction. Otherwise I will definitely switch to self-hosting, even though the managed CI/CD in the cloud has been working very well for me.
desolate_muffin 1y ago
It's not hard to imagine an alternative universe where Github is a steward of innovation for both git and the code review process; alas, this is not the world we live in.
arresin 1y ago
Damn. I remember being heavily downvoted and flamed when I said this would be the inevitable outcome on Reddit when they were bought. Always assume anyone carrying water for a mega corp is a shill or a bot or some combo.
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- thewebguyd 1y ago
  Same. Everyone now is like surprise pikachu face and all I can do is say "I told you so" Never make a deal with the devil.
icepat 1y ago
I made the decision a few months back to go all in on self-hosting, and my own infrastructure. At least once a week I run into something that makes me realize I made the right decision. It's that time of the week again.
- hanklazard 1y ago
  What are you using for git repos?
  - icepat 1y ago
    Forgejo
icy 1y ago
Yeah, GitHub is cooked. Now's a good time to consider migrating to alternative forges like Tangled (https://tangled.sh https://tangled.sh; bit of a shameless plug, I'll admit. I'm the co-founder). We've got a more advanced PR flow, jujutsu change-id support and we just launched our in-house CI! https://blog.tangled.sh/ci https://blog.tangled.sh/ci Long-term, we aim to be the new social coding platform, collectively built in the open.
- ctenb 1y ago
  Plug or not, this is relevant and on-topic. +1 to offset this unnecessary voting behavior.
- akomtu 1y ago
  Github Pages is a must too.
  - icy 1y ago
    We’re working on it!
- NetOpWibby 1y ago
  Damn, why all the downvotes?
  - advisedwang 1y ago
    Probably "bit of a shameless plug, I'll admit. I'm the co-founder". Lots of HN users don't like feeling advertised to.
    - icy 1y ago
      Figured it would be better to be up front about it -- and people know they can ask questions.
      - dr_kiszonka 1y ago
nlawalker 1y ago
I think many of the concerns are valid, but I'm not sure I'd read too much into the name of the absorbing org. Org names at Microsoft end up being misaligned and unintuitive all the time.
- MerrimanInd 1y ago
  While that may be true, I don't think the specific name of the team at Microsoft absorbing GitHub is what's concerning users. I can't think of a team up there that wouldn't be a red flag in this case.
  - odo1242 1y ago
    I’m pretty sure the fact that it’s the AI team is a pretty big factor. It would at least make sense if it was, for example, the Azure team.
mixdup 1y ago
Surprised it took this long. I am working with Github sales team on straightening out our Github organization at my new job and it was weird to get a Zoom meeting invite from a company that has been part of Microsoft for nearly 10 years
- nashashmi 1y ago
  Seven years. And that is because they didn’t want to mess with it like all the other acquisitions.
- delfinom 1y ago
  Would probably help if Teams wasn't such a clusterfuck. God help you if your other user is in a sovereign microsoft cloud on their desktop client.
reversengineer 1y ago
GitLab is like, really good. No need to put your codebase in the "cloud."
- yoran 1y ago
  I feel like all new AI tools only integrate with GitHub though, like Claude Code. We're actually thinking of moving from GitLab to GitHub, just for this reason.
  - felixgallo 1y ago
    Claude works great with forgejo/gitea. It's all just git, after all.
  - mbonnet 1y ago
    In some industries, all the tools you actually need (say, MISRA checking) all work with GitLab out of the box.
  - tonyhart7 1y ago
    same reason why we didn't leave github yet most SaaS tools only have github integration which is sucks
  - troyvit 1y ago
    Is that a problem with GitLab or a problem that should make you wary of Claude Code though? It's one thing to lock yourself into one LLM provider, but when they start chaining you to other SaSS organizations aren't they just locking you down even more?
- Catbert59 1y ago
  GitLab is great - but super fat. The performance will suffer heavily if you don't give it the resources it wants (all RAM you can find, lol). If you only need Git plus project tracking Gitea is super mature. It runs happily on small VPS.
  - notpushkin 1y ago
dang 1y ago
Related ongoing thread: Auf Wiedersehen, GitHub - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44864929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44864929 - Aug 2025 (66 comments)
WhereIsTheTruth 1y ago
Never trust Microsoft, when they are approaching, it's always time to quit Looks like I made the right move
ninetyninenine 1y ago
Makes sense how it's part of core AI. All code in the future will be written by AI so it's relevant categorically.
mynameisvlad 1y ago
The CoreAI team is where DevDiv got reorged into earlier this year: https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/13/24342793/microsoft-ai-engineering-group-coreai-jay-parikh https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/13/24342793/microsoft-ai-eng... DevDiv was arguably the place where GitHub would have ended up had it become integrated earlier, so it makes sense that it would end up there.
- stilldyl 1y ago
  GitHub was already under DevDiv, with Dohmke previously reporting to Julia Liuson. GitHub was moved under CoreAI in the reorg you mentioned. This move isn't new, it's just now more integrated and widely reported.
paxys 1y ago
Not too surprising considering how big a lead Github had in the generative coding space and how it managed to give it all up to a half dozen different companies over the last few years. An executive shakeup was long overdue.
- stogot 1y ago
  Heres the thing: it was a dev company with a side-AI business, but now Microsoft has signaled it wants an AI-GitHub with a dev-side business. The features that will be prioritized will be AI not Git improvement
  - Eric_WVGG 1y ago
    Are there any improvements to be done to Git? It seems like kind of a solved problem, like word processors or spreadsheets… most “improvements” to those are diminishing returns. I don't mean to sounds like an MS apologist, btw. I fully predicted and hoped for an exodus from Github to GitLab or something back when it got acquired — I'm from the Microsux generation.
    - hardwaregeek 1y ago
      They could add stacked diffs, large monorepo features (allow user to view a slice of a repo), better submodule support (why can’t I PR multiple repos at once?). A good desktop app that is faster than the slow web client.
      - dmoy 1y ago
        > large monorepo features (allow user to view a slice of a repo) I am reminded of this discussion between fb devs and git devs from 13 yrs ago: https://public-inbox.org/git/CB5074CF.3AD7A%25joshua.redstone@fb.com/t/#u https://public-inbox.org/git/CB5074CF.3AD7A%25joshua.redston... git has definitely made improvements since that thread, e.g.: https://graphite.dev/guides/git-monorepo#tools-and-strategies-for-efficient-monorepo-management https://graphite.dev/guides/git-monorepo#tools-and-strategie... but it could still be better for the truly gargantuan of code bases. Might not be worth it? Idk. Maybe with llm generated code churn, suddenly it becomes worth it? haha.
shmerl 1y ago
Looks like the goal is to turn Github into an "agent factory". And they still can't even support IPv6.
- throwzasdf 1y ago
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- layer8 1y ago
  That’s par for the course, since OpenAI’s API endpoints don’t either. ;)
revskill 1y ago
Rails is hard to maintain tgat is why github is slow to innovate.
OptionOfT 1y ago
I feel that GitHub has gotten worse lately. * Actions are more finicky, both private (paid) and public, they crash and hang more. * Publishing changes without testing them: https://github.com/actions/toolkit/pull/2106 https://github.com/actions/toolkit/pull/2106 * 5+ second loads on the GitHub mobile app * AI buttons everywhere (Your administrator can pay for CoPilot) * Releasing Node24, completely skipping Node22 in their actions: https://github.com/actions/runner/releases/tag/v2.327.1 https://github.com/actions/runner/releases/tag/v2.327.1 One of the most disgusting features that they did build is the ability for administrators to check how often a user accepts the CoPilot suggestions. I was about to complain that they still don't have YAML anchors, but it seems that that was merged in 7 days ago: https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/1182#issuecomment-3150797791 https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/1182#issuecomment-3...
- captn3m0 1y ago
  Lots of actions repos are stopping active development, including actions/checkout and actions/cache: https://mastodon.social/@hugovk/114987592399377240 https://mastodon.social/@hugovk/114987592399377240
Puts 1y ago
I'm surprised no-one seem to have called for a boycott of Github because of Microsoft's involvement with the genocide in Gaza yet.
- ath3nd 1y ago
  In the Netherlands we protested on Microsoft's roof: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/10/activists-in-netherlands-protest-on-roof-of-microsoft-site-storing-israeli-military-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/10/activists-in-n... But yeah, github has been largely unaffected.
megamindbrian2 1y ago
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dizlexic 1y ago
I am shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked. I still remember Atom.
Vipitis 1y ago
The GitHub website experience is already messed up with forcing Copilot into everything. But then asking for user feedback about new setting options for issues but denying any request for a user default. This surely isn't going in any good direction. What's next ads in commits?
- threetonesun 1y ago
  Not commits, but view your repo and see ads for all the paid tier services of the packages you use.
- AtNightWeCode 1y ago
  I can't even use the Github site without hitting rate limits all the time. And the hot take is that Azure devops, including git and the pipelines, is actually better. That Github yaml trash is just a pain.
pjmlp 1y ago
I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cross platform, but only as long as it doesn't hurt VS sales, with GUI workloads, profilers, still being mostly Windows only, and partially supported on VSCode, which also has the same VS license. A proper cross platform IDE experience requires getting Rider. Then there is the issue they seem to be shoting into all directions, with GUI frameworks, Web, Blazor, Aspire, to see what sticks. Github even with the previous CEO was already a delivery mechanism for Azure and AI efforts, now it will be full steam ahead, as per new org chart. VC++ after betting other compilers in C++20 support, seems to have lost its resources struggling to deliver C++23, and also probably affected by the Secure Future Initiative, and decisions for safer languages. But hey 4 trillion valuation, so from shareholders point of view, everything is going great.
- brightball 1y ago
  I’m glad Gitlab is still an option, just sitting there waiting to absorb the market pivot if Microsoft takes it the wrong way.
  - brabel 1y ago
    https://www.opencode.net/ https://www.opencode.net/
  - ikidd 1y ago
    I see more people jump for Codeberg these days.
    - mindcrash 1y ago
      Or even better, claim full sovereignty (again) and install Forgejo (https://forgejo.org/ https://forgejo.org/) on your own hardware. You'll get the same experience as Codeberg, because Codeberg is in fact running on Forgejo
JCM9 1y ago
Not surprising. The OpenAI partnership is fading. The GenAI as a product space overall is looking a bit frothy and house of cards-ish. GitHub is a strong product that is ripe for GenAI features that make it more interesting. Like it or not this makes sense as a business move. Microsoft is positioning itself for the next phase of the current AI hype cycle where standalone AI products will struggle and the “it’s a feature not a product” phase will take hold.
- bionhoward 1y ago
  Can’t GitHub just stick to its core business instead of rushing into AI slop? The growth of vibe coding absolutely already benefits GitHub if they maintain the core business. If they fuck up the core business rushing into AI, then aren’t they likely to get replaced by something else that does the core thing better? Not to mention all the earnest worries about them reading private codebases to train AI nobody asked for. You’d think being a trusted source of truth for many critical codebases would be “enough”
davepeck 1y ago
Am I the only one who found Dohmke’s communication style to be… buzzword forward? For a company whose roots were in pragmatic engineering, I always felt that there was a too-heavy component of hype, particularly around AI, in pretty much every recent public announcement. Yet, despite all the rhetoric and GitHub’s superior position in the industry, they failed to capture the current AI editor market. Structurally, it seems to make sense for GitHub to be part of Microsoft proper. Perhaps this is a change for the better. (PS: despite their “failure” to win hearts and minds, I do recommend giving Copilot in VSCode another look these days. Its agentic mode is very good and rapidly improving; I find it comparable to Claude Code at this point, particularly when paired with a strong model. Related to structure: I never quite understood the line between what parts of this GitHub made, and what parts of this the vscode and related Microsoft teams made.)
- jatins 1y ago
  Not disregarding all the success MS has had under Nadella but his comms style is also extremely buzzword forward, so there was probably a _synergy_ there
- justonceokay 1y ago
  CEOs of large companies are incapable of talking frankly. It is their purpose not to and how they reached their position.
- deleted 1y ago
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- arresin 1y ago
  Copilot in vscode is shit. The diffs are hilariously slow. It’s like a tech demo from 2 years ago.
ath3nd 1y ago
Wait, isn't that the guy that two weeks ago said that we should be embracing AI or existing the industry? - 2-nd of Aug 2025 Github CEO delivers stark message to developers: "Embrace AI or get out of the industry" https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrac... - 11-th of Aug 2025 Github CEO resigns https://www.theverge.com/news/757461/microsoft-github-thomas-dohmke-resignation-coreai-team-transition https://www.theverge.com/news/757461/microsoft-github-thomas... You can't make this stuff up :) Maybe he didn't embrace AI hard enough, and that's why he is exiting the industry?
OldGreenYodaGPT 1y ago
two years ago, I opened a PR asking for an LLM commit feature, and they flat-out said they weren’t doing it. Meanwhile, Cursor was eating their lunch and lapping them twice. I couldn’t believe how complacent and out-of-touch they were—it was pure laziness dressed up as “product focus.” And let’s not forget the ancient bugs rotting in their backlog that they refuse to fix. It’s like they actively don’t care about their users.
rickette 1y ago
Lots of comments here remind me of the time GitHub was purchased by Microsoft. It would be the dead of GitHub. While in fact it got better: GitHub Actions (pretty neat CI system) happend under Microsoft. Free private repos happend under Microsoft. Now this time it could be different. But last time wasn't that bad imho.
- benterix 1y ago
  Gitlab had their CI/CD a few years earlier, Github had no other option. As to which one feels more productive, that's up to personal tastes, for me Gitlab's option seems far more polished.
- tikhonj 1y ago
  The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent, etc, etc.
- nicce 1y ago
  Has there been any reports whether GitHub actually makes any money?
  - mcrk 1y ago
    I feel like it doesn't matter at this point as long as MS valuation goes up it's all worth the costs. We're living in the VC economy :D
  - 28304283409234 1y ago
    Github is the trainingmaterial for AI. It's a resource, not a product to make money with.
    - nicce 1y ago
      Is there evidence that GitHub has successfully prevented other AI companies from cloning open-source projects?
      - 1y ago
maelito 1y ago
Migrated to Codeberg a few months ago. Everything's good.
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ChrisArchitect 1y ago
[dupe] more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44864929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44864929
827a 1y ago
My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to reality shaking out with irony. None of these big tech companies have leveraged AI to build anything remotely interesting from a product perspective. Its truly astounding how bad they are at it. Apple has nothing, Microsoft wants to put spyware on every Windows computer and builds the worst coding agent on the market despite having privileged access to every line of source code ever written, Meta put a chatbot in Whatsapp then decided paying researchers ten mil would solve their problems, Google has world-class research teams that have produced unbelievable models, without any plan at all on how those make it into their products beyond forcing a chat window into Google Drive. Their fear is going to lose them everything. Its a fascinating inversion of the early internet problem, where companies who were unwilling to innovate got out-competed. Everyone learned that lesson and decided "we'll never be unwilling to innovate ever again"; but now their core product stable undergoes constant churn that is pissing off customers and driving competition to eat their lunch. There is long-term, durable beauty in investing majority effort into making Github the single best place to host and organize code. That need is never going away. There is also necessity in ensuring it has an AI strategy in a post-AI world, no one doubts that, but its a matter of proportion and humility. Microsoft/Github will never build AI products that lead the market. Its not a technology problem; its an organizational and political one. But that's ok, because they could dominate the market with the world's best code hosting platform, an average AI strategy, and a library of integrations with the rest of the frontier world.
- bongodongobob 1y ago
  > None of these big tech companies have leveraged AI to build anything remotely interesting from a product perspective. Its truly astounding how bad they are at it. Oh my God, tell me about it. Our C levels are being fed bullshit by all of our vendors about how AI is going to transform their business. Every few weeks I have to ask "what the fuck does that mean exactly?" "Oh, well, agentic AI and workflows blah blah." Ok? You want a chatbot? Fine, we're still building a state machine. At best, the LLM is doing expensive NLP to classify the choices. Something something classify support tickets? Alright, but we're still just doing keyword search, LLMs literally aren't even needed. I love LLMs and get a lot of use out of them for coding, but I still don't see anywhere that they're going to fit in for core business functions. Anything that is proposed can and should be done without LLMs. I'm just not seeing where they can be useful until they are truly AGI. Until then, it's just expensive NLP.
Guthur 1y ago
Sorry, is anyone even remotely surprised? This has and will always be Microsoft's modus operandi. The bit most of us seem to completely misunderstand is that the name of the capitalist game is not competition it's monopoly rent. All major corporations time and again look to capture a monopoly, it's the winning play.
iamdamian 1y ago
Forgejo is a really great self-hosted alternative to GitHub. If you've wondered about hosting your own version of GitHub but have worried it's too hard to set up, I'd encourage you to spend even a few minutes spinning an instance up with Docker Compose and poking around. https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/admin/installation/docker/ https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/admin/installation/docker/
- tonymet 1y ago
  Self hosting is a great idea. I’m curious which web features you find most useful? Is it primarily about PRs and code review? I’m trying to think of what a bare minimum SSH remote experience would look like. Could you do code reviews with a terminal instead. I love the git SSH experience for speed, but I find myself using GitHub for the PRs & code review. It would be nice to have a self hosted , terminal-based solution
- GabeIsko 1y ago
  How is forejo's git LFS support? I self host gitea (from before the split) but I am considering making the switch. LFS is a must for me though.
  - gschoeni 1y ago
    How big are your datasets? Working on an Open Source git-lfs replacement called "oxen" if you are interested. https://github.com/Oxen-AI/Oxen https://github.com/Oxen-AI/Oxen
    - dev_hugepages 1y ago
      How does it compare to huggingface's Xet?
    - GabeIsko 1y ago
      Not working with datasets. Binary files aren't that large, and these tools are generally bad for my use case - because I am not concerned about datasets. I need to track changes in binary files of very reasonable size. Total repo size is <1GB. But even at these small memory requirements it makes much more sense to self host with LFS. I have written this up too many times on the internet to go into great detail about how LFS isn't perfect and how I wish there was something better, but in practice it has worked extremely well for tracking a small amount of binary files. Kudos to the devs.
pm90 1y ago
Unsurprising but its a terrible move. Github at its core is a software lifecycle management product. To keep it running requires skillsets that are much much different from that of Gen AI/ML/whatever. Its hard for me to see this as anything other than an intra corporate political play and not something thats in the best interests of the users or the community. I expect to see a lot of the “legacy Github” folks slowly leave and be replaced by MS/Azure folks (gross). In the short to medium term this is probably gonna affect the stability of the system (its already pretty bad with several outages every month, including silent outages).
- jennyholzer 1y ago
  > Its hard for me to see this as anything other than an intra corporate political play and not something thats in the best interests of the users or the community. It's hard for me to see anything Microsoft does as something other than an intra-corporate political play.
forrestthewoods 1y ago
lol GitHub was in no shape way or form “independent” prior to this. The lack of tech literacy among tech bloggers is incredibly disappointing. I wish I could say it was shocking, but that’s not true.
jeffwask 1y ago
So Github has entered Phase 3 of the Microsoft Acquisition lifecycle
6thbit 1y ago
> Correction, August 11th: GitHub was already part of CoreAI, but its leadership will no longer be under a single CEO. So there is no real org change, just the CEO left and they didn't immediately replace him with a new one.
KyleBerezin 1y ago
Let the skypification begin! I can't wait to see how they integrate internet explorer, or require a microsoft account.
cft 1y ago
Maybe time to buy GTLB? https://robinhood.com/stocks/GTLB https://robinhood.com/stocks/GTLB
leoc 1y ago
I've seen enough: as the recognised authority and designated responsible person ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525256 I'm officially recognising this as the final end of 2010s Cool Microsoft. > 74 points by leoc on April 3, 2014 | parent | context | favorite | on: Microsoft Open Sources C# Compiler > Well, here we are then. This now officially the standard play for formerly-dominating computer-platform firms who have fallen on hard times: having before been proudly hard-nosed and proprietary, publicly see the light and present a new image as a new, kinder, gentler company which totally gets it about openness. Former famous examples: IBM under Lou Gerstner (we love Linux and open platforms!), Apple after the NeXT acquisition but before the iPhone (look how expandable our new PowerMacs are; on the software side, we're now an open-systems-loving Unix vendor, and we'll even open-source our kernel!), poor old SGI (we love Linux now! Or, wait ... actually WinNT, whatever.). Sun of course used to go back and forth between being chill dudes who totally get it and more nakedly hard-nosed. As always in these cases, the questions are how far the bright new era of glasnost actually goes in substance (IBM legal's patent monster quietly thrived through all the kinder-gentler period) and how long it lasts (these eras tend to end with the company either dwindling into irrelevance, or finding renewed success and going back to its bad old ways). Historical debate may now begin.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  I kind of agree, I was there when Apple was showing up at CERN IT trying to sell OS X a great UNIX workstation, and also though .NET was going to be fully open source, and to this day we have to thank the community efforts from Avalonia and Uno, for the actual GUI frameworks that support all major consumer OSes. Also Microsoft lost a big opportunity with Unity (not helping them updating .NET) and killing off XNA, two major ways how kids get into .NET. That coupled with Unity's mismanagement, means indies are more likely to keep using C++ based engines like Godot or Defold, and losing yet another adoption vector. Yes Godot does support C#, but GDscript is winning the heart of indie devs.
  - leoc 1y ago
    Just wait for the new, kinder, gentler Oracle, that one will be a hoot. Ellison will probably have to be carried out first, unfortunately.
joduplessis 1y ago
I'm starting to really detest the AI-everywhere thing. You're starting to feel it absolutely everywhere - good products turning shit just to capitalize on the hype.
- Fulgen 1y ago
  > You're starting to feel it absolutely everywhere Starting to? 30-50% of the HN front page has been consisting of articles about LLMs for months now, to the point that a user script to hide all AI articles vastly improves the experience.
Animats 1y ago
We'll know it's over when Github requires a Microsoft login.
- andrekandre 1y ago
  this is an underrated comment, reminds of what happened to skype (still sad about that...)
- ivanjermakov 1y ago
  I'm surprised it's still not the case for new users.
codingdave 1y ago
I've been in a three different scenarios where I worked for independent companies under the umbrella of a large parent organization. In all 3, the leadership left or was fired, and the remainder of the company was merged into a division of the parent company. The product quality went to shit in all 3 scenarios. There were different reasons and nuances to them all, but all 3 boiled down to one common factor. Instead of following the desires of the customers, they now had to pigeon-hole those desires into the larger business goals of the parent organization. They all turned into political battles at the leadership level, low morale at the product level, and decent jobs for the engineers as long as they were happy just doing what they were told. For the customers, everything just stagnated. It took years before all the politics sorted themselves out, people chose whether to stay or go, and you got product leadership running who could balance it all out without the baggage of the merger. So as a Github customer, this does not have me running for the hills. We won't lose functionality. But we won't gain anything we truly desire either - we'll see new features come out that relate to Microsoft's dreams, not our own. At a strategic level, I'd start telling my teams to be sure not to get vendor-locked to any Github features, and always have a migration plan at least conceptualized so that once we see where it all really goes, we are well prepared to either stay or go depending on exactly what Microsoft does in the next couple years.
- bsimpson 1y ago
  From a product POV, GitHub seems like a solved problem. It's been working well-enough with the current feature set for over a decade, with many companies building themselves on top of its stack. If they stagnate in MS bureaucracy but keep the lights on for push/pull/PRs, that's probably good enough for most people until something completely changes how software is made.
  - qntmfred 1y ago
    Dear GitHub wasn't all that long ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10904671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10904671
  - cnst 1y ago
    The problem is that someone still has to polish their resume when working for GitHub (aka resume-driven development), so, they're actually making GitHub worse now: Why is GitHub UI getting slower? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44799861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44799861 - Aug 2025 (113 comments)
pronik 1y ago
Moving stuff to AI teams reminds me of Google stuffing Google+ in everything back in the day. Didn't go well.
sub7 1y ago
Higher the mcap, higher the pressure for rev growth, higher the garbage pushed All your code are belong to MSCodeLLMTrainer.exe now
sschueller 1y ago
Time to move to forgio[1]. Sadly I am stuck with gitlab for now until forgio ads projects/folders to the URI. [1] https://forgejo.org/ https://forgejo.org/
apexalpha 1y ago
>Microsoft’s CoreAI team is a new engineering group led by former Meta executive Jay Parikh. It includes Microsoft’s platform and tools division and Dev Div teams, with a focus on building an AI platform and tools for both Microsoft and its customers. This is so confusing. The "CoreAI" team is apparently doing everything except the core of AI, which is LLMs.
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  Which is more confusing when you consider the trove of data GitHub hosts for coding LLMs.
moderation 1y ago
Interested to see what East River Source Control [0] are going to build on jujutsu. Not affiliated in anyway but keen to see a GitHub competitor break out to scale, adoption. 0. https://ersc.io/ https://ersc.io/
footlose_3815 1y ago
Sucks they trained on our data and hard work when all we wanted was a place to put our code and have others look at it. Microsoft ruins everything they touch. They will find a way to ruin Github shortly. Anyone posting a step-by-step to do a full migration from Github to another provider would get a lot of traffic to their blog in short time.
- betteryourweb 1y ago
  You really didn't see that coming at the moment they bought Github? That was their entire intent, to have full access to all of the greatest minds in software... Everyone should have bailed immediately after acquisition... If you don't control the servers that your code is on, it's no longer your code, at the very least, you're sharing with your hosting provider. But, everyone needs to hurry up and jump to market, instead of taking the time to build their own servers, custom development environment, etc. So, because everyone followed the herd, now everyone is lead slaughter... This was a collective choice made out of laziness, convenience, false sense of necessity, greed, etc... We have no to blame but ourselves, because it wouldn't have happen if we didn't choose it...
golddust-gecko 1y ago
Perhaps it's nothing, but: > “GitHub and its leadership team will continue its mission as part of Microsoft’s CoreAI organization, with more details shared soon,” says Dohmke in a memo to GitHub employees today. “I’ll be staying through the end of 2025 to help guide the transition and am leaving with a deep sense of pride in everything we’ve built as a remote-first organization spread around the world.” Is interesting to me. There is quite a number of rumors that MSFT will be Returning to Office next year. The prominence of 'remote first' in this quote may indicate that such concerns are playing a role here...
zzo38computer 1y ago
If you want to make a better version control service, then you might consider: - Free public repositories and free API access. - Mutual TLS authentication. Use X.509 extensions for partial delegation of authorization, so that someone can issue a certificate to themself or others with a limited set of permissions. - Mirroring on multiple independent services. - Allow SHA-1 (for compatibility with a lot of existing repositories that use it, and anyone using software that does not support other hashing algorithms) but also allow other more secure hashing algorithms to be used in case you do not want to use SHA-1. - Make the HTML to work without CSS and JavaScripts (even if they can provide enhancements, do not make them required). - Support some parts of the GitHub API, in order that existing software which uses GitHub API will be able to work with it. - If you are making a new API as well, then it might use DER, that can use binary data, non-Unicode text data, etc better. - Do not require TLS for read-only access to public data (but still allow using TLS even in this case).
Havoc 1y ago
Was it ever "independent"? The github monoculture seemed alarming from the get go
pat_space 1y ago
Wild. He was just on the decoder podcast last week. https://www.theverge.com/decoder-podcast-with-nilay-patel/720075/github-ceo-thomas-dohmke-ai-coding-copilot-openai-interview https://www.theverge.com/decoder-podcast-with-nilay-patel/72...
xyst 1y ago
Maintaining "independence" after selling the company to MSFT has always been a facade. Even from the perspective of the users, there was this palpable difference between before and after MSFT acquisition
net01 1y ago
I am part of a rocketry group I wonder if training on sensitive data such as ITAR restricted code would make this an issue? any ideas?
betteryourweb 1y ago
Well, that's my stage left... I had already brought my github usage to bare minimum... For any of my clients through my business, I'm suggesting they host their own gtt repo's and only using Github and Gitlab for the visibility, not as an actual service to house their shit
IceHegel 1y ago
Microsoft’s software quality is poor. Azure is extremely bloated and difficult to use, and I suspect only gained market traction due to bundling/anti-competitive tactics. Microsoft inserts tabloids news into its operating system. GitHub is their most trusted “tech” brand by far, and it has their only successful AI product, Co-Pilot. It’s almost inevitable that GitHub and all its products will be consumed with Microsoft bloat in the next 5 years as more and more products coast off the GitHub brand. Expect tabloid news in GitHub products soon.
TheRealDunkirk 1y ago
Just more proof that the merger/acquisition should never have been allowed in the first place.
- immibis 1y ago
  Like it or not, mergers/acquisitions are matters of money, not whether you like the product or not. In fact, all corporations are beholden to make the most money, not the best products. Frequently the product that makes the most money is the one that constantly nags you to give it more money, which everyone hates. Today I watched the WHY2025 talk about what happened to XS4ALL (a Dutch hacker-ethic ISP). Here's the summary: "we sold our profitable smallish independent startup with anti-corporate culture to a big corporation for lots of money, because we thought they'd continue it being awesomely anti-corporate, but all they did was squeeze our customers for more money, lay off all our staff and then move the customers to the corporation's own brand. We fought them in the courts, but the courts decisively ruled they were allowed to do all that because they own us, and it turns out they'd got expensive lawyers who did all the paperwork and pulled the right strings to make us look like the bad guys." Like, no shit? What were you expecting to happen? Does this story sound familiar to you? Everyone needs to realize "the scorpion and the frog" is about corporations. Anyway, there's nothing illegal about selling your soul for money. It's almost mandatory in fact.
  - TheRealDunkirk 1y ago
    At some point, doesn't humankind rise up and demand that our governments stop... you know... actually fucking us like this? After all the trust-busting at the turn of the century, we're right back in another golden age of robber barons, almost as if we learned nothing about this as a civilization. Being paid in company scrip that can only be used in the company's store with products from their global monolith doesn't sound far-fetched at this point. We seem to be heading straight for the cyberpunk version of our inevitable dystopian future.
    - immibis 1y ago
      The government forcing people to not do anything they like with their property is slavery apparently.
ants_everywhere 1y ago
IMO this was predictable and I recall walking a few people in the industry through the argument and suggesting they maintain a path to migrate off GitHub for when it finally gets re-orged. Whenever someone makes a promise that a subsidiary or product will remain unchanged (typically because that's how customers/users prefer it), it's useful to ask whether that promise has any legal force that will prevent the company from reneging on the promise if organizational or market circumstances change. There is almost never a barrier to having the organization change their mind, which means that the promise is at best a soft promise that in the near term they don't intend to change too much too quickly.
smsm42 1y ago
I wonder how long before Microsoft starts pushing people using Github into MS ecosystem - MS logins, showing MS AI down user's throats, pushing actions towards "works on Azure, don't care about the rest", etc. ?
- yencabulator 1y ago
  Github logins are MS logins already, and being pushed to use all over the place. Github documentation is already pushing primarily Azure, for example https://docs.github.com/en/actions/how-tos/deploy/deploy-to-third-party-platforms https://docs.github.com/en/actions/how-tos/deploy/deploy-to-... has 8 Azure links up front, then 1 link for AWS, 1 for Google, and 1 about Apple. And don't forget that NPM is Microsoft property too, https://docs.github.com/en/actions/tutorials/publish-packages/publish-nodejs-packages https://docs.github.com/en/actions/tutorials/publish-package... has no equivalent document for e.g. JSR.
Razengan 1y ago
Ah so do we enter the Extinguish phase now?
jrepinc 1y ago
Give Up GitHub https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/ https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/
j45 1y ago
Uh oh Does this mean source code might get synthesized and anonymized so Ai coding agents can train on it?
bitbasher 1y ago
GitHub has been a growing disappointment for quite a while. 1. GitHub itself isn't opensource despite being the opensource forge. 2. Microsoft (of all companies) acquired it. 3. Microsoft pushes VSCode and kills GitHub's Atom. 4. GitHub employees are quite political (master branch rename, ICE protest resignations, etc). 5. GitHub striking down repositories and user accounts (the Russian developer, yt-dlp, etc). 6. LLMs trained on public and private code without consent or opting in. 7. GitHub forcing AI agents in pull requests and in various pages on GitHub. 8. GitHub's CEO resigning and now in more of Microsoft's AI control. I left back when GitHub was acquired by Microsoft. I wondered if it was a mistake for me to leave, but.. I haven't regretted it yet.
- zemo 1y ago
  > GitHub employees are quite political (master branch rename, ICE protest resignations, etc). ah ok so the politics of power aren't of interest to you > LLMs trained on public and private code without consent or opting in. ah ok so the politics of power ARE of interest to you what's goin on here man
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  - giancarlostoro 1y ago
    You're comparing politics regarding actual political events and private code being scraped without opt-in or permission being requested, what is going on here indeed man.
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  > 3. Microsoft pushes VSCode and kills GitHub's Atom. Zed was born as a result, which is drastically better. Zed tried to go into the AI thing, then made it possible to use it without any AI stuff, which is good.
  - bitbasher 1y ago
    If I could trade Zed for Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub, I'd give up Zed. We lost way more than we gained. Yes-- Zed allows you to disable the AI now. However, you still can't remove the GitHub login button on the editor. What's up with that?
fuzztester 1y ago
From: https://www.theverge.com/news/757461/microsoft-github-thomas-dohmke-resignation-coreai-team-transition https://www.theverge.com/news/757461/microsoft-github-thomas... >GitHub has operated as a separate company ever since Microsoft acquired it. Yeah, right. And Santa Claus exists, Virginia. Oxymoron of the decade ... https://www.google.com/search?q=oxymoron+meaning https://www.google.com/search?q=oxymoron+meaning
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egberts1 1y ago
Embrace, (check) Engulf, (check) ... Extinguish?
kittikitti 1y ago
GitHub was getting more and more corrupt as Microsoft matured it. The worst were the fake stars and engagement from bots. Then Big Tech gatekeepers fast tracked your job application if they saw you had hundreds of stars (they didn't care if it was fake).
zimmund 1y ago
I hope GitHub keeps autonomy somehow and stays away from the dumpster fire that is Azure.
- ahartmetz 1y ago
  I hope GitHub dies. Microsoft should not have so much power over open source software.
nh2 1y ago
> which will [..] operate independently -- Satya Nadella, 2018 in the acquisition announcement https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github...
- OuterVale 1y ago
  I mean, it has been over 7 years since then. I don't think anyone would reasonably assume that to mean it would operate independently in perpetuity.
iblaine 1y ago
This is common. Big company buys smaller company. Smaller company execs stay on and establish the idea of independence. Eventually smaller company execs move on and Big company fills the ranks with their employees. Nothing sinister. Just how it goes.
corytheboyd 1y ago
GitHub was such a cool product of its time, the complete epitome of ridiculous SV tech companies. The Oval Office. The whiskey library. A room full of swag. A product ubiquitously known by every nerd in the bay, then, world. I didn’t work there, but it was cool to be around it in SF at the time. Always sad to see them fall apart (yes yes I know it’s been happening for a long time)
raydev 1y ago
Sorta related, I was thinking recently: after much personal experience with the terrible PR review performance over the last couple years, and the recent blog posts covering terrible performance across GitHub features, I remembered that GitHub is a Microsoft product now. So I expect everything about the GitHub experience to degrade to (awful, slow, poorly designed) Teams/Outlook quality, since Microsoft doesn't really care about your experience as long as you're locked in and you can eventually accomplish what your job requires of you.
zeofig 1y ago
It was never independent from day zero, since it was always going to be sold to M$OFT or other.
informal007 1y ago
Everything is possible to be integrated to AI, AI expectation is so huge, even Google is try to implement AI into search engine. it's not much surprise that Github become the rock on the road for MS to AI.
jondusaza 1y ago
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asah 1y ago
I'm still shocked that Google didn't have the foresight to buy GitHub...
- selectnull 1y ago
  I'm sure that would have ended well...
divbzero 1y ago
I understand why GitHub is a core asset for CoreAI, but it saddens me that GitHub isn’t respected as a standalone business in its own right.
ec109685 1y ago
So much spin. Bottom line is that it’s embarrassing for GitHub to have lost the ai coding race (or to be losing badly).
obscure-enigma 1y ago
The only good they can do by this is remove those accounts that just signed up with cool usernames and never showed up again
Einenlum 1y ago
Interesting that they always focus more on AI while their product is less and less usable. I want a usable and efficient pull request page, not useless AI features. Seems like the priorities are all wrong. The enshittification of GitHub is absolutely dramatic.
thrown-0825 1y ago
This company was feature complete a decade ago and is just following the natural lifecycle of post acquisition decay into irrelevancy.
angry_octet 1y ago
It sure is going to be painful migrating everything off github as the bit rot slowly seeps in. The eternal frustration of dead links, the constant astroturfing of LLM generated malware pretending to be what you're looking for, hoping to stumble across a fork in a random user's account.
tzury 1y ago
The resignation tells it was not independent for quite sometimes. Besides, M&A means the acquirer OWNS the sold entity the independent. No independent whatsoever can take place when a company is owned by others.
mkleczek 1y ago
I've always used self-hosted https://scm-manager.org https://scm-manager.org for personal stuff and never felt any need to move to anything else. It is a surprisingly good and for some reason not very popular, piece of software.
docflabby 1y ago
Falling for the "Embrace" part again...
gjvc 1y ago
MSFT could shut down github tomorrow with impunity
wordofx 1y ago
Well now we know why GH is turning into a POS. They stopped working on GH a long time ago.
yamirghofran 1y ago
We are going to need a disruptor to Github the way Linear is to Jira.
yamirghofran 1y ago
We are going to need a disruptor to Github the way Linear was to Gira.
stainablesteel 1y ago
for what? there's no one who thinks microsoft's ai is even good, let alone going to compete with companies that are actually serious about this they sacrifice their few areas of credibility just to make bad ai models that no one uses
lisbbb 1y ago
Github has become too mission critical for many companies--their pipelines and processes often rely on Github workflows that may or may not be working each day. I was recently at a company that was dependent on Github workflows to make changes to their CDN and we had to come up with a "github is down" strategy for their team because it had become a consideration. In general, git itself has become a bloated product. There's like 2-3 ways to do everything now and devs now argue about which is the purest, "right" way and it's annoying to deal with opinions of egotistical people when you're just trying to get work done.
- 12345ieee 1y ago
  > git itself has become a bloated product. There's like 2-3 ways to do everything now can you elaborate? After a decade of use I've seem some more cutesy porcelain popping up, but the commit-tree basic concepts have never changed. The company I work at is using the same exact branching strategy I introduced when we moved to git, with essentially no discussion in the meantime.
tonymet 1y ago
git SSH remotes are easy, complete and practically free to host, with many features that GitHub doesn’t offer (like reflog, backup, updateOnPush, rebase & subtree), though you have to get comfortable with PR & code review via email or text file. Sourcehut aka sr.ht is a free email-driven GitHub alternative. If you like email patches flows instead, check that out. SSH unleashes the true distributed nature of git. With confidence you can move commits across instances , pushing to various repos. You can build some very flexible publishing and archiving patterns with git alone.
bmitc 1y ago
The part in the article that is frustrating is something I've already been fearing, that GitHub is moving towards more and more AI. It's unfortunate, but GitHub has all but completely given up on improving GitHub features that don't have anything to do with AI. No more features or even regressions are happening in the realm of quality of life and usability features. Issues are just ghost towns of people requesting, for years, very basic but enabling features, and GitHub employees are nowhere to be found on these issues. It doesn't appear that they do _any_ non-AI feature development anymore beyond just basic keep things affloat maintenance.
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1468 points by Handy-Man 1y ago

I do not think of Github as primarily an AI product or service. That Microsoft does is certainly alarming. I still feel that there's no competitor I like as much. But that may not matter.

buyucu 1y ago

Expect Github to get worse. Much worse.

Rochus 1y ago
Why?
- buyucu 1y ago
  Microsoft customer experience is usually horrible.
beefnugs 1y ago
What more damage can they do besides train AI on all code without consent? Oh wait i guess fisting ads into other peoples code somehow...
- arresin 1y ago
  It’s Microsoft. Look how much they’ve mismanaged their current assets.
- SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
  > What more damage can they do besides train AI on all code That's GitHub code -> AI. The damage will be AI code -> GitHub CoPilot already gives (bad) code reviews on GitHub PRs.
- ksherlock 1y ago
  They could spam you with low-quality AI (but I repeat myself) PRs. Maybe add some vaguely plausible but utterly incorrect bug reports as well. Look at the some of the AI slop curl deals with -- https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2025/07/14/death-by-a-thousand-slops/ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2025/07/14/death-by-a-thousand-s... -- and imagine your issues list filled with that.
- mbreese 1y ago
  I’m envisioning VSCode Vibe Server 2026 edition.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
    It's called "CoPilot Agent Mode" https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/ide/copilot-agent-mode https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/ide/copilot-a...
- benoau 1y ago
  One tried-and-true classic is to delete old stuff, and GitHub has a lot of old stuff... in a couple years someone will calculate an amount they can save.
- dceddia 1y ago
  Today we can still anonymously clone repos.
- aruggirello 1y ago
  Who knows? Deprecate manual code writing someday? 'You're trying to commit some code, sir, but Microsoft Defender©, Git Edition™ has determined it wasn't generated by any of our tools, as reported by telemetry, so changes have been blocked for your own convenience, safety and ultimately, wellbeing. Starting september, 2029 we're only accepting commands from Microsoft products such as Visual Studio Autocode©, Cortana AGI Edition™ and Microsoft Office 2028 Clippy©. Please ask Microsoft James Bond® to take action and he'll solve the issue for you [Charges may apply]. We're also deprecating git push, pull, etc. since Microsoft Tools are so much more secure, optimized and convenient that nobody wants to use those ancient commands anymore.'
bithive123 1y ago
That didn't take long. There appears to be some kind of outage now, I'm seeing unicorns all over the place. I even got a 403 from githubstatus.com.

JohnTHaller 1y ago

GitHub will now fall under Microsoft's CoreAI team, which give some indication of GitHub's purpose and direction going forward.

dathinab 1y ago
right ... wtf We could barely convince the reviewers on the last review that using GitHub is okay as long as we take some extra steps, I guess we should prepare to switch to a different platform with the next review.
- whimsicalism 1y ago
  reviewers?
  - layer8 1y ago
    Auditors?
    - dathinab 1y ago
      yes auditors from a security audit
      - whimsicalism 1y ago
        you could barely convince your auditors that using github was okay? well, my opinion of security audits is reaffirmed
        anileated 1y ago
        Security audits are just theater. If they were not, you could not ever convince them that using a platform feeding unlicensed source (including apparently from private repositories) to their commercial LLM is ever a pass.

elAhmo 1y ago

This was inevitable and going towards the direction, but it is sad to see this part of CoreAI division. Copilot and other AI initiatives should not be the primary driver of GitHub's vision.

__turbobrew__ 1y ago
Github may have more value as the largest software training corpus in the world than as a paid VCS, and Microsoft gets to uniquely utilize that as they will have non rate limited internal APIs and/or dumps to train on.
- AlexandrB 1y ago
  I assume they already had those APIs - Github was already owned by Microsoft. By prioritizing AI feature over the core experience it's possible that Github stops being the largest software training corpus in the future.
  - tonyhart7 1y ago
    I assume they would make other major company to have an github integration out of the box so it would be feeding off itself from "vibe coder" an have an singularity generated corpus around AI tooling
- tremon 1y ago
  This -- Github's future is as a training source for Microsoft's AI products, and as a honeypot for collecting more training data.
martin-t 1y ago
You're looking at it from a developer's POV. Your goals are a quality product that helps you with your work. Microsoft's goal is to make money by making software or ~~selling~~ renting services. You are a cost center. And what do managers do to cost centers? They outsource them, either to artificial "intelligence" or actual Indians. By plagiarizing stolen code, disregarding its original license, they hope to make the former actually work.

JaKXz 1y ago

Yikes

dcchambers 1y ago

> GitHub moving into Core AI team On the one hand, this probably means it gets the funding it needs to keep going strong. On the other hand, I'm worried that this means that GitHub is going to focus exclusively on building AI features while the core product becomes stale/abandoned.

klabb3 1y ago
> while the core product becomes stale/abandoned Im more concerned about random breakages. When you have org pressure to add features rapidly shit breaks. Stale would be best case scenario.
netsharc 1y ago
Will it be Bob or Clippy? $ git commit The git command has been changed to bob, please type 'bob commit' to commit.
brownriceowl 1y ago
Did GitHub have a funding problem? They doubled revenue last year, with 40% of that coming from GitHub Copilot. I imagine that for 2025, the increase will be much higher than even that. I expect that the problem that Microsoft aims to fix is that people can use GitHub effortlessly without locking into Azure and Power Platform
- dcchambers 1y ago
  > Did GitHub have a funding problem? I don't believe so, and I didn't mean to imply that. Rather just that if they are part of the "Core AI" org then they will likely remain a priority area of investment for Microsoft...right now anyway.

yoyohello13 1y ago

I moved to GitLab a year or so ago. It’s been great, I actually prefer GitLab ci

LeifCarrotson 1y ago
I did as well! No issues any worse than people using habitually using "github" to mean "the remote git repository in the cloud". I expect this will continue indefinitely until the product becomes little more than an AI training corpus and genericized trademark, similar to how our Xerox machines at work are actually made by Brother, while Xerox the actual brand has faded into obsolescence. I will note that we don't use many of the CI/CD/issue tracking/wiki/etc. features, though both Github and Gitlab offer them. I'm sure they have their own particular quirks that may be a hassle to migrate between and have people relearn. I prefer to keep those tools separate, allowing the git repository be almost exclusively a git repository and spinning up other tools as needed.
- yoyohello13 1y ago
  We use GitLab ci, issue tracking, dep scanning, everything at work and I can report it is amazing. All self hosted and never had any issues. I’ve got our entire deployment process setup through GitLab ci and it’s been rock solid. It’s $150/month per seat for the ultimate tier, but it’s 100% been worth it for us.
alabhyajindal 1y ago
Doesn't GitLab suffer from the same problem of pushing AI? They have many AI features, and position themselves as "The most-comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps platform".
- alex_suzuki 1y ago
  I'm not using any AI features, and I'm not even aware of any, but I did see it on their website too and it's a bit concerning. My hope is that it's just something they have to say right now and not a strategic direction. Otherwise I will definitely switch to self-hosting, even though the managed CI/CD in the cloud has been working very well for me.

desolate_muffin 1y ago

It's not hard to imagine an alternative universe where Github is a steward of innovation for both git and the code review process; alas, this is not the world we live in.

arresin 1y ago

Damn. I remember being heavily downvoted and flamed when I said this would be the inevitable outcome on Reddit when they were bought. Always assume anyone carrying water for a mega corp is a shill or a bot or some combo.

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thewebguyd 1y ago
Same. Everyone now is like surprise pikachu face and all I can do is say "I told you so" Never make a deal with the devil.

icepat 1y ago

I made the decision a few months back to go all in on self-hosting, and my own infrastructure. At least once a week I run into something that makes me realize I made the right decision. It's that time of the week again.

hanklazard 1y ago
What are you using for git repos?
- icepat 1y ago
  Forgejo

icy 1y ago

Yeah, GitHub is cooked. Now's a good time to consider migrating to alternative forges like Tangled (https://tangled.sh https://tangled.sh; bit of a shameless plug, I'll admit. I'm the co-founder). We've got a more advanced PR flow, jujutsu change-id support and we just launched our in-house CI! https://blog.tangled.sh/ci https://blog.tangled.sh/ci Long-term, we aim to be the new social coding platform, collectively built in the open.

ctenb 1y ago
Plug or not, this is relevant and on-topic. +1 to offset this unnecessary voting behavior.
akomtu 1y ago
Github Pages is a must too.
- icy 1y ago
  We’re working on it!
NetOpWibby 1y ago
Damn, why all the downvotes?
- advisedwang 1y ago
  Probably "bit of a shameless plug, I'll admit. I'm the co-founder". Lots of HN users don't like feeling advertised to.
  - icy 1y ago
    Figured it would be better to be up front about it -- and people know they can ask questions.
    - dr_kiszonka 1y ago

nlawalker 1y ago

I think many of the concerns are valid, but I'm not sure I'd read too much into the name of the absorbing org. Org names at Microsoft end up being misaligned and unintuitive all the time.

MerrimanInd 1y ago
While that may be true, I don't think the specific name of the team at Microsoft absorbing GitHub is what's concerning users. I can't think of a team up there that wouldn't be a red flag in this case.
- odo1242 1y ago
  I’m pretty sure the fact that it’s the AI team is a pretty big factor. It would at least make sense if it was, for example, the Azure team.

mixdup 1y ago

Surprised it took this long. I am working with Github sales team on straightening out our Github organization at my new job and it was weird to get a Zoom meeting invite from a company that has been part of Microsoft for nearly 10 years

nashashmi 1y ago
Seven years. And that is because they didn’t want to mess with it like all the other acquisitions.
delfinom 1y ago
Would probably help if Teams wasn't such a clusterfuck. God help you if your other user is in a sovereign microsoft cloud on their desktop client.

reversengineer 1y ago

GitLab is like, really good. No need to put your codebase in the "cloud."

yoran 1y ago
I feel like all new AI tools only integrate with GitHub though, like Claude Code. We're actually thinking of moving from GitLab to GitHub, just for this reason.
- felixgallo 1y ago
  Claude works great with forgejo/gitea. It's all just git, after all.
- mbonnet 1y ago
  In some industries, all the tools you actually need (say, MISRA checking) all work with GitLab out of the box.
- tonyhart7 1y ago
  same reason why we didn't leave github yet most SaaS tools only have github integration which is sucks
- troyvit 1y ago
  Is that a problem with GitLab or a problem that should make you wary of Claude Code though? It's one thing to lock yourself into one LLM provider, but when they start chaining you to other SaSS organizations aren't they just locking you down even more?
Catbert59 1y ago
GitLab is great - but super fat. The performance will suffer heavily if you don't give it the resources it wants (all RAM you can find, lol). If you only need Git plus project tracking Gitea is super mature. It runs happily on small VPS.
- notpushkin 1y ago

dang 1y ago

Related ongoing thread: Auf Wiedersehen, GitHub - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44864929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44864929 - Aug 2025 (66 comments)

WhereIsTheTruth 1y ago

Never trust Microsoft, when they are approaching, it's always time to quit Looks like I made the right move

ninetyninenine 1y ago

Makes sense how it's part of core AI. All code in the future will be written by AI so it's relevant categorically.

mynameisvlad 1y ago

The CoreAI team is where DevDiv got reorged into earlier this year: https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/13/24342793/microsoft-ai-engineering-group-coreai-jay-parikh https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/13/24342793/microsoft-ai-eng... DevDiv was arguably the place where GitHub would have ended up had it become integrated earlier, so it makes sense that it would end up there.

stilldyl 1y ago
GitHub was already under DevDiv, with Dohmke previously reporting to Julia Liuson. GitHub was moved under CoreAI in the reorg you mentioned. This move isn't new, it's just now more integrated and widely reported.

paxys 1y ago

Not too surprising considering how big a lead Github had in the generative coding space and how it managed to give it all up to a half dozen different companies over the last few years. An executive shakeup was long overdue.

stogot 1y ago
Heres the thing: it was a dev company with a side-AI business, but now Microsoft has signaled it wants an AI-GitHub with a dev-side business. The features that will be prioritized will be AI not Git improvement
- Eric_WVGG 1y ago
  Are there any improvements to be done to Git? It seems like kind of a solved problem, like word processors or spreadsheets… most “improvements” to those are diminishing returns. I don't mean to sounds like an MS apologist, btw. I fully predicted and hoped for an exodus from Github to GitLab or something back when it got acquired — I'm from the Microsux generation.
  - hardwaregeek 1y ago
    They could add stacked diffs, large monorepo features (allow user to view a slice of a repo), better submodule support (why can’t I PR multiple repos at once?). A good desktop app that is faster than the slow web client.
    - dmoy 1y ago
      > large monorepo features (allow user to view a slice of a repo) I am reminded of this discussion between fb devs and git devs from 13 yrs ago: https://public-inbox.org/git/CB5074CF.3AD7A%25joshua.redstone@fb.com/t/#u https://public-inbox.org/git/CB5074CF.3AD7A%25joshua.redston... git has definitely made improvements since that thread, e.g.: https://graphite.dev/guides/git-monorepo#tools-and-strategies-for-efficient-monorepo-management https://graphite.dev/guides/git-monorepo#tools-and-strategie... but it could still be better for the truly gargantuan of code bases. Might not be worth it? Idk. Maybe with llm generated code churn, suddenly it becomes worth it? haha.

shmerl 1y ago

Looks like the goal is to turn Github into an "agent factory". And they still can't even support IPv6.

throwzasdf 1y ago
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layer8 1y ago
That’s par for the course, since OpenAI’s API endpoints don’t either. ;)

revskill 1y ago

Rails is hard to maintain tgat is why github is slow to innovate.

OptionOfT 1y ago

I feel that GitHub has gotten worse lately. * Actions are more finicky, both private (paid) and public, they crash and hang more. * Publishing changes without testing them: https://github.com/actions/toolkit/pull/2106 https://github.com/actions/toolkit/pull/2106 * 5+ second loads on the GitHub mobile app * AI buttons everywhere (Your administrator can pay for CoPilot) * Releasing Node24, completely skipping Node22 in their actions: https://github.com/actions/runner/releases/tag/v2.327.1 https://github.com/actions/runner/releases/tag/v2.327.1 One of the most disgusting features that they did build is the ability for administrators to check how often a user accepts the CoPilot suggestions. I was about to complain that they still don't have YAML anchors, but it seems that that was merged in 7 days ago: https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/1182#issuecomment-3150797791 https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/1182#issuecomment-3...

captn3m0 1y ago
Lots of actions repos are stopping active development, including actions/checkout and actions/cache: https://mastodon.social/@hugovk/114987592399377240 https://mastodon.social/@hugovk/114987592399377240

Puts 1y ago

I'm surprised no-one seem to have called for a boycott of Github because of Microsoft's involvement with the genocide in Gaza yet.

ath3nd 1y ago
In the Netherlands we protested on Microsoft's roof: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/10/activists-in-netherlands-protest-on-roof-of-microsoft-site-storing-israeli-military-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/10/activists-in-n... But yeah, github has been largely unaffected.

megamindbrian2 1y ago

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dizlexic 1y ago

I am shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked. I still remember Atom.

Vipitis 1y ago

The GitHub website experience is already messed up with forcing Copilot into everything. But then asking for user feedback about new setting options for issues but denying any request for a user default. This surely isn't going in any good direction. What's next ads in commits?

threetonesun 1y ago
Not commits, but view your repo and see ads for all the paid tier services of the packages you use.
AtNightWeCode 1y ago
I can't even use the Github site without hitting rate limits all the time. And the hot take is that Azure devops, including git and the pipelines, is actually better. That Github yaml trash is just a pain.

pjmlp 1y ago

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cross platform, but only as long as it doesn't hurt VS sales, with GUI workloads, profilers, still being mostly Windows only, and partially supported on VSCode, which also has the same VS license. A proper cross platform IDE experience requires getting Rider. Then there is the issue they seem to be shoting into all directions, with GUI frameworks, Web, Blazor, Aspire, to see what sticks. Github even with the previous CEO was already a delivery mechanism for Azure and AI efforts, now it will be full steam ahead, as per new org chart. VC++ after betting other compilers in C++20 support, seems to have lost its resources struggling to deliver C++23, and also probably affected by the Secure Future Initiative, and decisions for safer languages. But hey 4 trillion valuation, so from shareholders point of view, everything is going great.

brightball 1y ago
I’m glad Gitlab is still an option, just sitting there waiting to absorb the market pivot if Microsoft takes it the wrong way.
- brabel 1y ago
  https://www.opencode.net/ https://www.opencode.net/
- ikidd 1y ago
  I see more people jump for Codeberg these days.
  - mindcrash 1y ago
    Or even better, claim full sovereignty (again) and install Forgejo (https://forgejo.org/ https://forgejo.org/) on your own hardware. You'll get the same experience as Codeberg, because Codeberg is in fact running on Forgejo

JCM9 1y ago

Not surprising. The OpenAI partnership is fading. The GenAI as a product space overall is looking a bit frothy and house of cards-ish. GitHub is a strong product that is ripe for GenAI features that make it more interesting. Like it or not this makes sense as a business move. Microsoft is positioning itself for the next phase of the current AI hype cycle where standalone AI products will struggle and the “it’s a feature not a product” phase will take hold.

bionhoward 1y ago
Can’t GitHub just stick to its core business instead of rushing into AI slop? The growth of vibe coding absolutely already benefits GitHub if they maintain the core business. If they fuck up the core business rushing into AI, then aren’t they likely to get replaced by something else that does the core thing better? Not to mention all the earnest worries about them reading private codebases to train AI nobody asked for. You’d think being a trusted source of truth for many critical codebases would be “enough”

davepeck 1y ago

Am I the only one who found Dohmke’s communication style to be… buzzword forward? For a company whose roots were in pragmatic engineering, I always felt that there was a too-heavy component of hype, particularly around AI, in pretty much every recent public announcement. Yet, despite all the rhetoric and GitHub’s superior position in the industry, they failed to capture the current AI editor market. Structurally, it seems to make sense for GitHub to be part of Microsoft proper. Perhaps this is a change for the better. (PS: despite their “failure” to win hearts and minds, I do recommend giving Copilot in VSCode another look these days. Its agentic mode is very good and rapidly improving; I find it comparable to Claude Code at this point, particularly when paired with a strong model. Related to structure: I never quite understood the line between what parts of this GitHub made, and what parts of this the vscode and related Microsoft teams made.)

jatins 1y ago
Not disregarding all the success MS has had under Nadella but his comms style is also extremely buzzword forward, so there was probably a _synergy_ there
justonceokay 1y ago
CEOs of large companies are incapable of talking frankly. It is their purpose not to and how they reached their position.
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arresin 1y ago
Copilot in vscode is shit. The diffs are hilariously slow. It’s like a tech demo from 2 years ago.

ath3nd 1y ago

Wait, isn't that the guy that two weeks ago said that we should be embracing AI or existing the industry? - 2-nd of Aug 2025 Github CEO delivers stark message to developers: "Embrace AI or get out of the industry" https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrac... - 11-th of Aug 2025 Github CEO resigns https://www.theverge.com/news/757461/microsoft-github-thomas-dohmke-resignation-coreai-team-transition https://www.theverge.com/news/757461/microsoft-github-thomas... You can't make this stuff up :) Maybe he didn't embrace AI hard enough, and that's why he is exiting the industry?

OldGreenYodaGPT 1y ago

two years ago, I opened a PR asking for an LLM commit feature, and they flat-out said they weren’t doing it. Meanwhile, Cursor was eating their lunch and lapping them twice. I couldn’t believe how complacent and out-of-touch they were—it was pure laziness dressed up as “product focus.” And let’s not forget the ancient bugs rotting in their backlog that they refuse to fix. It’s like they actively don’t care about their users.

rickette 1y ago

Lots of comments here remind me of the time GitHub was purchased by Microsoft. It would be the dead of GitHub. While in fact it got better: GitHub Actions (pretty neat CI system) happend under Microsoft. Free private repos happend under Microsoft. Now this time it could be different. But last time wasn't that bad imho.

benterix 1y ago
Gitlab had their CI/CD a few years earlier, Github had no other option. As to which one feels more productive, that's up to personal tastes, for me Gitlab's option seems far more polished.
tikhonj 1y ago
The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent, etc, etc.
nicce 1y ago
Has there been any reports whether GitHub actually makes any money?
- mcrk 1y ago
  I feel like it doesn't matter at this point as long as MS valuation goes up it's all worth the costs. We're living in the VC economy :D
- 28304283409234 1y ago
  Github is the trainingmaterial for AI. It's a resource, not a product to make money with.
  - nicce 1y ago
    Is there evidence that GitHub has successfully prevented other AI companies from cloning open-source projects?
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maelito 1y ago

Migrated to Codeberg a few months ago. Everything's good.

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ChrisArchitect 1y ago

[dupe] more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44864929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44864929

827a 1y ago

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to reality shaking out with irony. None of these big tech companies have leveraged AI to build anything remotely interesting from a product perspective. Its truly astounding how bad they are at it. Apple has nothing, Microsoft wants to put spyware on every Windows computer and builds the worst coding agent on the market despite having privileged access to every line of source code ever written, Meta put a chatbot in Whatsapp then decided paying researchers ten mil would solve their problems, Google has world-class research teams that have produced unbelievable models, without any plan at all on how those make it into their products beyond forcing a chat window into Google Drive. Their fear is going to lose them everything. Its a fascinating inversion of the early internet problem, where companies who were unwilling to innovate got out-competed. Everyone learned that lesson and decided "we'll never be unwilling to innovate ever again"; but now their core product stable undergoes constant churn that is pissing off customers and driving competition to eat their lunch. There is long-term, durable beauty in investing majority effort into making Github the single best place to host and organize code. That need is never going away. There is also necessity in ensuring it has an AI strategy in a post-AI world, no one doubts that, but its a matter of proportion and humility. Microsoft/Github will never build AI products that lead the market. Its not a technology problem; its an organizational and political one. But that's ok, because they could dominate the market with the world's best code hosting platform, an average AI strategy, and a library of integrations with the rest of the frontier world.

bongodongobob 1y ago
> None of these big tech companies have leveraged AI to build anything remotely interesting from a product perspective. Its truly astounding how bad they are at it. Oh my God, tell me about it. Our C levels are being fed bullshit by all of our vendors about how AI is going to transform their business. Every few weeks I have to ask "what the fuck does that mean exactly?" "Oh, well, agentic AI and workflows blah blah." Ok? You want a chatbot? Fine, we're still building a state machine. At best, the LLM is doing expensive NLP to classify the choices. Something something classify support tickets? Alright, but we're still just doing keyword search, LLMs literally aren't even needed. I love LLMs and get a lot of use out of them for coding, but I still don't see anywhere that they're going to fit in for core business functions. Anything that is proposed can and should be done without LLMs. I'm just not seeing where they can be useful until they are truly AGI. Until then, it's just expensive NLP.

Guthur 1y ago

Sorry, is anyone even remotely surprised? This has and will always be Microsoft's modus operandi. The bit most of us seem to completely misunderstand is that the name of the capitalist game is not competition it's monopoly rent. All major corporations time and again look to capture a monopoly, it's the winning play.

iamdamian 1y ago

Forgejo is a really great self-hosted alternative to GitHub. If you've wondered about hosting your own version of GitHub but have worried it's too hard to set up, I'd encourage you to spend even a few minutes spinning an instance up with Docker Compose and poking around. https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/admin/installation/docker/ https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/admin/installation/docker/

tonymet 1y ago
Self hosting is a great idea. I’m curious which web features you find most useful? Is it primarily about PRs and code review? I’m trying to think of what a bare minimum SSH remote experience would look like. Could you do code reviews with a terminal instead. I love the git SSH experience for speed, but I find myself using GitHub for the PRs & code review. It would be nice to have a self hosted , terminal-based solution
GabeIsko 1y ago
How is forejo's git LFS support? I self host gitea (from before the split) but I am considering making the switch. LFS is a must for me though.
- gschoeni 1y ago
  How big are your datasets? Working on an Open Source git-lfs replacement called "oxen" if you are interested. https://github.com/Oxen-AI/Oxen https://github.com/Oxen-AI/Oxen
  - dev_hugepages 1y ago
    How does it compare to huggingface's Xet?
  - GabeIsko 1y ago
    Not working with datasets. Binary files aren't that large, and these tools are generally bad for my use case - because I am not concerned about datasets. I need to track changes in binary files of very reasonable size. Total repo size is <1GB. But even at these small memory requirements it makes much more sense to self host with LFS. I have written this up too many times on the internet to go into great detail about how LFS isn't perfect and how I wish there was something better, but in practice it has worked extremely well for tracking a small amount of binary files. Kudos to the devs.

pm90 1y ago

Unsurprising but its a terrible move. Github at its core is a software lifecycle management product. To keep it running requires skillsets that are much much different from that of Gen AI/ML/whatever. Its hard for me to see this as anything other than an intra corporate political play and not something thats in the best interests of the users or the community. I expect to see a lot of the “legacy Github” folks slowly leave and be replaced by MS/Azure folks (gross). In the short to medium term this is probably gonna affect the stability of the system (its already pretty bad with several outages every month, including silent outages).

jennyholzer 1y ago
> Its hard for me to see this as anything other than an intra corporate political play and not something thats in the best interests of the users or the community. It's hard for me to see anything Microsoft does as something other than an intra-corporate political play.

forrestthewoods 1y ago

lol GitHub was in no shape way or form “independent” prior to this. The lack of tech literacy among tech bloggers is incredibly disappointing. I wish I could say it was shocking, but that’s not true.

jeffwask 1y ago

So Github has entered Phase 3 of the Microsoft Acquisition lifecycle

6thbit 1y ago

> Correction, August 11th: GitHub was already part of CoreAI, but its leadership will no longer be under a single CEO. So there is no real org change, just the CEO left and they didn't immediately replace him with a new one.

KyleBerezin 1y ago

Let the skypification begin! I can't wait to see how they integrate internet explorer, or require a microsoft account.

cft 1y ago

Maybe time to buy GTLB? https://robinhood.com/stocks/GTLB https://robinhood.com/stocks/GTLB

leoc 1y ago

I've seen enough: as the recognised authority and designated responsible person ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525256 I'm officially recognising this as the final end of 2010s Cool Microsoft. > 74 points by leoc on April 3, 2014 | parent | context | favorite | on: Microsoft Open Sources C# Compiler > Well, here we are then. This now officially the standard play for formerly-dominating computer-platform firms who have fallen on hard times: having before been proudly hard-nosed and proprietary, publicly see the light and present a new image as a new, kinder, gentler company which totally gets it about openness. Former famous examples: IBM under Lou Gerstner (we love Linux and open platforms!), Apple after the NeXT acquisition but before the iPhone (look how expandable our new PowerMacs are; on the software side, we're now an open-systems-loving Unix vendor, and we'll even open-source our kernel!), poor old SGI (we love Linux now! Or, wait ... actually WinNT, whatever.). Sun of course used to go back and forth between being chill dudes who totally get it and more nakedly hard-nosed. As always in these cases, the questions are how far the bright new era of glasnost actually goes in substance (IBM legal's patent monster quietly thrived through all the kinder-gentler period) and how long it lasts (these eras tend to end with the company either dwindling into irrelevance, or finding renewed success and going back to its bad old ways). Historical debate may now begin.

pjmlp 1y ago
I kind of agree, I was there when Apple was showing up at CERN IT trying to sell OS X a great UNIX workstation, and also though .NET was going to be fully open source, and to this day we have to thank the community efforts from Avalonia and Uno, for the actual GUI frameworks that support all major consumer OSes. Also Microsoft lost a big opportunity with Unity (not helping them updating .NET) and killing off XNA, two major ways how kids get into .NET. That coupled with Unity's mismanagement, means indies are more likely to keep using C++ based engines like Godot or Defold, and losing yet another adoption vector. Yes Godot does support C#, but GDscript is winning the heart of indie devs.
- leoc 1y ago
  Just wait for the new, kinder, gentler Oracle, that one will be a hoot. Ellison will probably have to be carried out first, unfortunately.

joduplessis 1y ago

I'm starting to really detest the AI-everywhere thing. You're starting to feel it absolutely everywhere - good products turning shit just to capitalize on the hype.

Fulgen 1y ago
> You're starting to feel it absolutely everywhere Starting to? 30-50% of the HN front page has been consisting of articles about LLMs for months now, to the point that a user script to hide all AI articles vastly improves the experience.

Animats 1y ago

We'll know it's over when Github requires a Microsoft login.

andrekandre 1y ago
this is an underrated comment, reminds of what happened to skype (still sad about that...)
ivanjermakov 1y ago
I'm surprised it's still not the case for new users.

codingdave 1y ago

I've been in a three different scenarios where I worked for independent companies under the umbrella of a large parent organization. In all 3, the leadership left or was fired, and the remainder of the company was merged into a division of the parent company. The product quality went to shit in all 3 scenarios. There were different reasons and nuances to them all, but all 3 boiled down to one common factor. Instead of following the desires of the customers, they now had to pigeon-hole those desires into the larger business goals of the parent organization. They all turned into political battles at the leadership level, low morale at the product level, and decent jobs for the engineers as long as they were happy just doing what they were told. For the customers, everything just stagnated. It took years before all the politics sorted themselves out, people chose whether to stay or go, and you got product leadership running who could balance it all out without the baggage of the merger. So as a Github customer, this does not have me running for the hills. We won't lose functionality. But we won't gain anything we truly desire either - we'll see new features come out that relate to Microsoft's dreams, not our own. At a strategic level, I'd start telling my teams to be sure not to get vendor-locked to any Github features, and always have a migration plan at least conceptualized so that once we see where it all really goes, we are well prepared to either stay or go depending on exactly what Microsoft does in the next couple years.

bsimpson 1y ago
From a product POV, GitHub seems like a solved problem. It's been working well-enough with the current feature set for over a decade, with many companies building themselves on top of its stack. If they stagnate in MS bureaucracy but keep the lights on for push/pull/PRs, that's probably good enough for most people until something completely changes how software is made.
- qntmfred 1y ago
  Dear GitHub wasn't all that long ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10904671 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10904671
- cnst 1y ago
  The problem is that someone still has to polish their resume when working for GitHub (aka resume-driven development), so, they're actually making GitHub worse now: Why is GitHub UI getting slower? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44799861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44799861 - Aug 2025 (113 comments)

pronik 1y ago

Moving stuff to AI teams reminds me of Google stuffing Google+ in everything back in the day. Didn't go well.

sub7 1y ago

Higher the mcap, higher the pressure for rev growth, higher the garbage pushed All your code are belong to MSCodeLLMTrainer.exe now

sschueller 1y ago

Time to move to forgio[1]. Sadly I am stuck with gitlab for now until forgio ads projects/folders to the URI. [1] https://forgejo.org/ https://forgejo.org/

apexalpha 1y ago

>Microsoft’s CoreAI team is a new engineering group led by former Meta executive Jay Parikh. It includes Microsoft’s platform and tools division and Dev Div teams, with a focus on building an AI platform and tools for both Microsoft and its customers. This is so confusing. The "CoreAI" team is apparently doing everything except the core of AI, which is LLMs.

giancarlostoro 1y ago
Which is more confusing when you consider the trove of data GitHub hosts for coding LLMs.

moderation 1y ago

Interested to see what East River Source Control [0] are going to build on jujutsu. Not affiliated in anyway but keen to see a GitHub competitor break out to scale, adoption. 0. https://ersc.io/ https://ersc.io/

footlose_3815 1y ago

Sucks they trained on our data and hard work when all we wanted was a place to put our code and have others look at it. Microsoft ruins everything they touch. They will find a way to ruin Github shortly. Anyone posting a step-by-step to do a full migration from Github to another provider would get a lot of traffic to their blog in short time.

betteryourweb 1y ago
You really didn't see that coming at the moment they bought Github? That was their entire intent, to have full access to all of the greatest minds in software... Everyone should have bailed immediately after acquisition... If you don't control the servers that your code is on, it's no longer your code, at the very least, you're sharing with your hosting provider. But, everyone needs to hurry up and jump to market, instead of taking the time to build their own servers, custom development environment, etc. So, because everyone followed the herd, now everyone is lead slaughter... This was a collective choice made out of laziness, convenience, false sense of necessity, greed, etc... We have no to blame but ourselves, because it wouldn't have happen if we didn't choose it...

golddust-gecko 1y ago

Perhaps it's nothing, but: > “GitHub and its leadership team will continue its mission as part of Microsoft’s CoreAI organization, with more details shared soon,” says Dohmke in a memo to GitHub employees today. “I’ll be staying through the end of 2025 to help guide the transition and am leaving with a deep sense of pride in everything we’ve built as a remote-first organization spread around the world.” Is interesting to me. There is quite a number of rumors that MSFT will be Returning to Office next year. The prominence of 'remote first' in this quote may indicate that such concerns are playing a role here...

zzo38computer 1y ago

If you want to make a better version control service, then you might consider: - Free public repositories and free API access. - Mutual TLS authentication. Use X.509 extensions for partial delegation of authorization, so that someone can issue a certificate to themself or others with a limited set of permissions. - Mirroring on multiple independent services. - Allow SHA-1 (for compatibility with a lot of existing repositories that use it, and anyone using software that does not support other hashing algorithms) but also allow other more secure hashing algorithms to be used in case you do not want to use SHA-1. - Make the HTML to work without CSS and JavaScripts (even if they can provide enhancements, do not make them required). - Support some parts of the GitHub API, in order that existing software which uses GitHub API will be able to work with it. - If you are making a new API as well, then it might use DER, that can use binary data, non-Unicode text data, etc better. - Do not require TLS for read-only access to public data (but still allow using TLS even in this case).

Havoc 1y ago

Was it ever "independent"? The github monoculture seemed alarming from the get go

pat_space 1y ago

Wild. He was just on the decoder podcast last week. https://www.theverge.com/decoder-podcast-with-nilay-patel/720075/github-ceo-thomas-dohmke-ai-coding-copilot-openai-interview https://www.theverge.com/decoder-podcast-with-nilay-patel/72...

xyst 1y ago

Maintaining "independence" after selling the company to MSFT has always been a facade. Even from the perspective of the users, there was this palpable difference between before and after MSFT acquisition

net01 1y ago

I am part of a rocketry group I wonder if training on sensitive data such as ITAR restricted code would make this an issue? any ideas?

betteryourweb 1y ago

Well, that's my stage left... I had already brought my github usage to bare minimum... For any of my clients through my business, I'm suggesting they host their own gtt repo's and only using Github and Gitlab for the visibility, not as an actual service to house their shit

IceHegel 1y ago

Microsoft’s software quality is poor. Azure is extremely bloated and difficult to use, and I suspect only gained market traction due to bundling/anti-competitive tactics. Microsoft inserts tabloids news into its operating system. GitHub is their most trusted “tech” brand by far, and it has their only successful AI product, Co-Pilot. It’s almost inevitable that GitHub and all its products will be consumed with Microsoft bloat in the next 5 years as more and more products coast off the GitHub brand. Expect tabloid news in GitHub products soon.

TheRealDunkirk 1y ago

Just more proof that the merger/acquisition should never have been allowed in the first place.

immibis 1y ago
Like it or not, mergers/acquisitions are matters of money, not whether you like the product or not. In fact, all corporations are beholden to make the most money, not the best products. Frequently the product that makes the most money is the one that constantly nags you to give it more money, which everyone hates. Today I watched the WHY2025 talk about what happened to XS4ALL (a Dutch hacker-ethic ISP). Here's the summary: "we sold our profitable smallish independent startup with anti-corporate culture to a big corporation for lots of money, because we thought they'd continue it being awesomely anti-corporate, but all they did was squeeze our customers for more money, lay off all our staff and then move the customers to the corporation's own brand. We fought them in the courts, but the courts decisively ruled they were allowed to do all that because they own us, and it turns out they'd got expensive lawyers who did all the paperwork and pulled the right strings to make us look like the bad guys." Like, no shit? What were you expecting to happen? Does this story sound familiar to you? Everyone needs to realize "the scorpion and the frog" is about corporations. Anyway, there's nothing illegal about selling your soul for money. It's almost mandatory in fact.
- TheRealDunkirk 1y ago
  At some point, doesn't humankind rise up and demand that our governments stop... you know... actually fucking us like this? After all the trust-busting at the turn of the century, we're right back in another golden age of robber barons, almost as if we learned nothing about this as a civilization. Being paid in company scrip that can only be used in the company's store with products from their global monolith doesn't sound far-fetched at this point. We seem to be heading straight for the cyberpunk version of our inevitable dystopian future.
  - immibis 1y ago
    The government forcing people to not do anything they like with their property is slavery apparently.

ants_everywhere 1y ago

IMO this was predictable and I recall walking a few people in the industry through the argument and suggesting they maintain a path to migrate off GitHub for when it finally gets re-orged. Whenever someone makes a promise that a subsidiary or product will remain unchanged (typically because that's how customers/users prefer it), it's useful to ask whether that promise has any legal force that will prevent the company from reneging on the promise if organizational or market circumstances change. There is almost never a barrier to having the organization change their mind, which means that the promise is at best a soft promise that in the near term they don't intend to change too much too quickly.

smsm42 1y ago

I wonder how long before Microsoft starts pushing people using Github into MS ecosystem - MS logins, showing MS AI down user's throats, pushing actions towards "works on Azure, don't care about the rest", etc. ?

yencabulator 1y ago
Github logins are MS logins already, and being pushed to use all over the place. Github documentation is already pushing primarily Azure, for example https://docs.github.com/en/actions/how-tos/deploy/deploy-to-third-party-platforms https://docs.github.com/en/actions/how-tos/deploy/deploy-to-... has 8 Azure links up front, then 1 link for AWS, 1 for Google, and 1 about Apple. And don't forget that NPM is Microsoft property too, https://docs.github.com/en/actions/tutorials/publish-packages/publish-nodejs-packages https://docs.github.com/en/actions/tutorials/publish-package... has no equivalent document for e.g. JSR.

Razengan 1y ago

Ah so do we enter the Extinguish phase now?

jrepinc 1y ago

Give Up GitHub https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/ https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/

j45 1y ago

Uh oh Does this mean source code might get synthesized and anonymized so Ai coding agents can train on it?

bitbasher 1y ago

GitHub has been a growing disappointment for quite a while. 1. GitHub itself isn't opensource despite being the opensource forge. 2. Microsoft (of all companies) acquired it. 3. Microsoft pushes VSCode and kills GitHub's Atom. 4. GitHub employees are quite political (master branch rename, ICE protest resignations, etc). 5. GitHub striking down repositories and user accounts (the Russian developer, yt-dlp, etc). 6. LLMs trained on public and private code without consent or opting in. 7. GitHub forcing AI agents in pull requests and in various pages on GitHub. 8. GitHub's CEO resigning and now in more of Microsoft's AI control. I left back when GitHub was acquired by Microsoft. I wondered if it was a mistake for me to leave, but.. I haven't regretted it yet.

zemo 1y ago
> GitHub employees are quite political (master branch rename, ICE protest resignations, etc). ah ok so the politics of power aren't of interest to you > LLMs trained on public and private code without consent or opting in. ah ok so the politics of power ARE of interest to you what's goin on here man
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- giancarlostoro 1y ago
  You're comparing politics regarding actual political events and private code being scraped without opt-in or permission being requested, what is going on here indeed man.
giancarlostoro 1y ago
> 3. Microsoft pushes VSCode and kills GitHub's Atom. Zed was born as a result, which is drastically better. Zed tried to go into the AI thing, then made it possible to use it without any AI stuff, which is good.
- bitbasher 1y ago
  If I could trade Zed for Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub, I'd give up Zed. We lost way more than we gained. Yes-- Zed allows you to disable the AI now. However, you still can't remove the GitHub login button on the editor. What's up with that?

fuzztester 1y ago

From: https://www.theverge.com/news/757461/microsoft-github-thomas-dohmke-resignation-coreai-team-transition https://www.theverge.com/news/757461/microsoft-github-thomas... >GitHub has operated as a separate company ever since Microsoft acquired it. Yeah, right. And Santa Claus exists, Virginia. Oxymoron of the decade ... https://www.google.com/search?q=oxymoron+meaning https://www.google.com/search?q=oxymoron+meaning

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egberts1 1y ago

Embrace, (check) Engulf, (check) ... Extinguish?

kittikitti 1y ago

GitHub was getting more and more corrupt as Microsoft matured it. The worst were the fake stars and engagement from bots. Then Big Tech gatekeepers fast tracked your job application if they saw you had hundreds of stars (they didn't care if it was fake).

zimmund 1y ago

I hope GitHub keeps autonomy somehow and stays away from the dumpster fire that is Azure.

ahartmetz 1y ago
I hope GitHub dies. Microsoft should not have so much power over open source software.

nh2 1y ago

> which will [..] operate independently -- Satya Nadella, 2018 in the acquisition announcement https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github...

OuterVale 1y ago
I mean, it has been over 7 years since then. I don't think anyone would reasonably assume that to mean it would operate independently in perpetuity.

iblaine 1y ago

This is common. Big company buys smaller company. Smaller company execs stay on and establish the idea of independence. Eventually smaller company execs move on and Big company fills the ranks with their employees. Nothing sinister. Just how it goes.

corytheboyd 1y ago

GitHub was such a cool product of its time, the complete epitome of ridiculous SV tech companies. The Oval Office. The whiskey library. A room full of swag. A product ubiquitously known by every nerd in the bay, then, world. I didn’t work there, but it was cool to be around it in SF at the time. Always sad to see them fall apart (yes yes I know it’s been happening for a long time)

raydev 1y ago

Sorta related, I was thinking recently: after much personal experience with the terrible PR review performance over the last couple years, and the recent blog posts covering terrible performance across GitHub features, I remembered that GitHub is a Microsoft product now. So I expect everything about the GitHub experience to degrade to (awful, slow, poorly designed) Teams/Outlook quality, since Microsoft doesn't really care about your experience as long as you're locked in and you can eventually accomplish what your job requires of you.

zeofig 1y ago

It was never independent from day zero, since it was always going to be sold to M$OFT or other.

informal007 1y ago

Everything is possible to be integrated to AI, AI expectation is so huge, even Google is try to implement AI into search engine. it's not much surprise that Github become the rock on the road for MS to AI.

jondusaza 1y ago

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asah 1y ago

I'm still shocked that Google didn't have the foresight to buy GitHub...

selectnull 1y ago
I'm sure that would have ended well...

divbzero 1y ago

I understand why GitHub is a core asset for CoreAI, but it saddens me that GitHub isn’t respected as a standalone business in its own right.

ec109685 1y ago

So much spin. Bottom line is that it’s embarrassing for GitHub to have lost the ai coding race (or to be losing badly).

obscure-enigma 1y ago

The only good they can do by this is remove those accounts that just signed up with cool usernames and never showed up again

Einenlum 1y ago

Interesting that they always focus more on AI while their product is less and less usable. I want a usable and efficient pull request page, not useless AI features. Seems like the priorities are all wrong. The enshittification of GitHub is absolutely dramatic.

thrown-0825 1y ago

This company was feature complete a decade ago and is just following the natural lifecycle of post acquisition decay into irrelevancy.

angry_octet 1y ago

It sure is going to be painful migrating everything off github as the bit rot slowly seeps in. The eternal frustration of dead links, the constant astroturfing of LLM generated malware pretending to be what you're looking for, hoping to stumble across a fork in a random user's account.

tzury 1y ago

The resignation tells it was not independent for quite sometimes. Besides, M&A means the acquirer OWNS the sold entity the independent. No independent whatsoever can take place when a company is owned by others.

mkleczek 1y ago

I've always used self-hosted https://scm-manager.org https://scm-manager.org for personal stuff and never felt any need to move to anything else. It is a surprisingly good and for some reason not very popular, piece of software.

docflabby 1y ago

Falling for the "Embrace" part again...

gjvc 1y ago

MSFT could shut down github tomorrow with impunity

wordofx 1y ago

Well now we know why GH is turning into a POS. They stopped working on GH a long time ago.

yamirghofran 1y ago

We are going to need a disruptor to Github the way Linear is to Jira.

yamirghofran 1y ago

We are going to need a disruptor to Github the way Linear was to Gira.

stainablesteel 1y ago

for what? there's no one who thinks microsoft's ai is even good, let alone going to compete with companies that are actually serious about this they sacrifice their few areas of credibility just to make bad ai models that no one uses

lisbbb 1y ago

Github has become too mission critical for many companies--their pipelines and processes often rely on Github workflows that may or may not be working each day. I was recently at a company that was dependent on Github workflows to make changes to their CDN and we had to come up with a "github is down" strategy for their team because it had become a consideration. In general, git itself has become a bloated product. There's like 2-3 ways to do everything now and devs now argue about which is the purest, "right" way and it's annoying to deal with opinions of egotistical people when you're just trying to get work done.

12345ieee 1y ago
> git itself has become a bloated product. There's like 2-3 ways to do everything now can you elaborate? After a decade of use I've seem some more cutesy porcelain popping up, but the commit-tree basic concepts have never changed. The company I work at is using the same exact branching strategy I introduced when we moved to git, with essentially no discussion in the meantime.

tonymet 1y ago

git SSH remotes are easy, complete and practically free to host, with many features that GitHub doesn’t offer (like reflog, backup, updateOnPush, rebase & subtree), though you have to get comfortable with PR & code review via email or text file. Sourcehut aka sr.ht is a free email-driven GitHub alternative. If you like email patches flows instead, check that out. SSH unleashes the true distributed nature of git. With confidence you can move commits across instances , pushing to various repos. You can build some very flexible publishing and archiving patterns with git alone.

bmitc 1y ago

The part in the article that is frustrating is something I've already been fearing, that GitHub is moving towards more and more AI. It's unfortunate, but GitHub has all but completely given up on improving GitHub features that don't have anything to do with AI. No more features or even regressions are happening in the realm of quality of life and usability features. Issues are just ghost towns of people requesting, for years, very basic but enabling features, and GitHub employees are nowhere to be found on these issues. It doesn't appear that they do _any_ non-AI feature development anymore beyond just basic keep things affloat maintenance.

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