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Alexei Navalny has died
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- ceejayoz 3y ago> Putin has been informed of the death, says Kremlin In advance, one assumes.
- captainbland 3y agoIt was probably his idea.
- Moldoteck 3y agoi think it was in reversed: putin informed the kremlin about the death
- 0xdeafbeef 3y agoJailed Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny is dead, the prison service of the Yamalo-Nenets region where he had been serving his sentence said on Friday.
- ivan_gammel 3y agoThis is the Biden‘s red line, just like Syria was the red line for Obama. In 2021 he promised dangerous consequences for Russia if Navalny dies.
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- schappim 3y agoI still have no idea who did it. The latest theory even added Gazprom to the suspects list. The blowing up of the pipeline enabled force majeure. By invoking force majeure, Gazprom could potentially avoid penalties for non-fulfillment of their obligations, or renegotiate contracts in a manner that might be financially or strategically beneficial.
- JohnBooty 3y agoI'm not sure this situation is comparable because the US is already fighting a proxy war including economic sanctions against Russia's invasion of Ukraine, with US materiel and funds directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Russian soldiers. Pentagon estimates 300,000 Russian casualties so far. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/world/europe/russia-invasion-casualties-wounded.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/world/europe/russia-invas... In concrete terms what would you suggest the US do now in order to respond to Navalny's death?
- ivan_gammel 3y agoSituation is comparable politically as an example of promise America probably cannot keep. There’s nothing left to do, no additional pressure to apply. And that is going to have consequences for America more than for Russia.
- Rapzid 3y agoWe are not fighting a proxy war with Russia. That term is thrown around too loosely. Ukraine and Russia are at war.
- actionfromafar 3y agoGift a bunch of strategic bombers and fighter jets? Start training an all-Ukraine submarine crew or three? :-)
- tim333 3y agoI predict crossing that line will cause Biden to do nothing different.
- schappim 3y ago“Died”, I suspect the more accurate term is “murdered”…
- sashazykov 3y agoMurdered by Putin
- kergonath 3y agoDied peacefully from natural causes, novichok, radium poisoning, and a shot in the back after having fallen through the window of an underground cell.
- I_am_tiberius 3y agoUnbelievable. The world just watches.
- profunctor 3y agoWhat do you want to world to do? Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions and many countries are funding + arming its opponent in a war.
- I_am_tiberius 3y agoEverything we can.
- schappim 3y agoWhat is left on the table?
- I_am_tiberius 3y ago- Europe is still consuming lots of gas that finances Russia's "defense" budget. - There's also a lot of other business with Russia that is not sanctioned. - Ukraine does not have enough ammunition. - There are so called neutral countries that should not be neutral.
- unmole 3y ago> There are so called neutral countries that should not be neutral. Why?
- schappim 3y agoI think you’ll find that even the neutral countries are providing support to Ukraine via the backdoor (eg Swiss with their armour going via DE). I believe the strategy that the powers at be are attempting is to keep Russia occupied in Ukraine for as long as possible without major escalation. Without assigning morality, it seems like a tough balancing act to achieve.
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- ngetchell 3y agoI can't believe any American would carried Putin's water after the treatment of Alexei Navalny.
- pfdietz 3y agoYou just don't understand the depths of depravity to which those people will sink.
- kergonath 3y agoIf the various other opposition figures were not enough, there is no reason Navalny will be. Litvinenko’s assassination was not that long ago, and yet there were many since then.
- gorbachev 3y agoWhen he has pee tapes about you in his vault or you owe hundreds of millions (or billions) to banks he controls, it's easy to believe.
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- bitcharmer 3y ago> I wonder how the Russian apologists will spin this He was on a walk and suddenly fell out of a window; a fairly common occurrence in Russian prisons.
- enaaem 3y ago- He was a criminal - You don’t have evidence - How about…
- inference-lord 3y agoThe west murdered him to justify the war in Ukraine, that will be a good one too.
- zulban 3y agoThere's a world of difference between Tucker (dabbles where he's deeply misinformed, "just asking questions" in total safety) and Russian "apologist" journalists who fear for their job and life.
- inference-lord 3y ago"Just asking questions", "Just wanting to have a conversation" I love your comment, the dude is ridiculous, he should go live in Russia for a bit.
- maxerickson 3y agoThey mean Russia apologists not Russian apologists.
- bdjsiqoocwk 3y agothats what i meant ty. can no longer edit.
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- steeve 3y agoYeah Navalny is dead but have you looked at their shopping carts?
- misterioss 3y agoYep, we need more interviews with Putin. Things ArE CoMpLIcATeD.
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- steeve 3y agoMy comment is currently sitting at -4 karma. Draw your own conclusions (:
- thriftwy 3y agoBut wasn't that the prime argument for the US previously? "Disregard the wars that the US gets into, have you seen their cars and houses?" And it did work for a long time. People would give you a lot of leeway if you had a nice house and a car.
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- benterix 3y agoFrankly, it's strange Putin allowed him to live for so long, normally he just kills his opponent quite fast. Maybe it was just a power show to make everybody understand he can control his opponents' lives completely.
- belter 3y agoA little reminder of what Putin has been up to in the last few years. - Annexation of Crimea (2014) - MH17 Downing (2014) - Intervention in Syria - 2016 U.S. Election Interference - Skripal Poisoning (2018) - Anti-LGBTQ+ Laws - Navalny Poisoning (2020) - Wagner Group Activities - Invasion of Ukraine (2022) - Killing of Yevgeny Prigozhin (2023) - Killing of Alexei Navalny (2024) What is necessary for US and European Laws, to specify any type of contact, endorsement, indulgence even, of such a regime, is an intolerable criminal offense? Edit: Its difficult to keep track... - Killing of Alexander Litvinenko - 1999 Russian Apartment Bombings - September 2022 — Ravil Maganov's fatal fall from a hospital window. He was chairman of Russian oil giant Lukoil. Lukoil was the first major Russian company to call for an end to the war in Ukraine - July 2009 — Natalya Estemirova found dead in a ditch - October 2006 — Anna Politkovskaya murdered in an elevator - April 2003 — Sergei Yushenkov murder was never solved. Yushenkov was one of the harshest critics of the Chechen war and the KGB's successor organization, the FSB.
- Lutger 3y agoI'm afraid the answer is 'not having nukes'.
- imglorp 3y agoPlus many, many deaths of business associates, oligarchs, and generals.
- KingOfCoders 3y ago- Invasion & Second Chechen War (1999) - Invasion in Georgia (2008)
- telesilla 3y agoThe 2022 documentary 'Navalny' is important and explains how the anti-corruption campaigner got to that terrible place, being poisoned with a Novichok nerve agent and still deciding to go back to Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navalny_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navalny_(film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF_HsKCWEHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF_HsKCWEHw (trailer)
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- aerique 3y agoI never understood why he went back to Russia.
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- lovasoa 3y agoNavalny didn't go back to Russia because Trump told him to.
- davydog187 3y agoLmao wow that’s a stretch
- rc_kas 3y agoThose people tried to fight against the concept of fair voting itself. Navalny on the other hand seem like he had integrity and cared about his fellow countrymen a lot.
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- sumedh 3y agoHis death was certain the moment he went back to Russia. He should have stayed back in some European country and continued the fight.
- diggan 3y agoI'm fairly certain he knew this, but did it anyways. If anything, it'll make him a martyr who died in their home country, still fighting, rather than someone who is trying to run away and fueling the opponent's arguments. Still sucks it had to come to this. But I agree, this wasn't the unexpected outcome.
- satellite2 3y agoUnfortunately, a martyr in Western countries only. I doubt his death will be discussed in Russian's media.
- proxysna 3y agoIt is already being discussed. Also Russian media is not limited to state media.
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- kikimora 3y agoThis is #1 topic in Russia right now. Even some state media outlets report on this.
- permo-w 3y agohttps://www.rt.com/russia/592561-alexey-navalny-blogger-opposition/ https://www.rt.com/russia/592561-alexey-navalny-blogger-oppo...
- MrDresden 3y agoHe will be remembered along with other reformers of history who stood up to what they believed and in the end paid with their lives. I truly hope his death will not be in vain.
- Clubber 3y agoPeople calling for the US to do more against Russia, be careful what you wish for. You have no idea how close the US is to a draft. The US has been woefully low at filling military recruiting quotas. Keep in mind both presidents during WWI and WWII campaigned to keep us out of those wars. Any major conflict like that will most certainly require a draft. Better keep your saber rattling to a minimum. Though the percentage of active duty military members has fluctuated since 2001, it has declined by 39% since 1987, its most recent high. https://usafacts.org/articles/military-recruitment-is-down/ https://usafacts.org/articles/military-recruitment-is-down/
- ethanbond 3y agoUhhh that’s why it’s better to fund Ukraine to fight the battle for us before it’s actually on NATO’s doorstep. Not that confusing.
- Clubber 3y agoSure, I support funding Ukraine 100% for that very reason, but consider what happens when Ukraine runs out of troops. Russia has a 3:1 advantage. https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-demography-of-war-ukraine-vs-russia https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-demography-of-war-ukraine-vs-...
- KaiserPro 3y agoIf you use your troops as bait for tanks, then sure having a 3:1 people advantage is useful. If you have a bit more respect for the lives of your citizens, its not so much of a disadvantage.
- ethanbond 3y agoConsider what happens when the Taliban runs out of troops. The United States has a 28:1 advantage.
- Clubber 3y ago>Consider what happens when the Taliban runs out of troops. The United States has a 28:1 advantage. The US conquered and held Afghanistan for 20 years and we could have done it for another 20+ years, we just lost the political will to do so. I'm in total agreement with getting out of Afghanistan, as ugly as it was.
- merpkz 3y agoSo in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Europe, I would have never believed all this just a few years ago, how it will go down.
- timeon 3y ago> west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior Also slowly folding. It is not happening only in little countries like Slovakia. US has relevant party that is now openly pro-Putin.
- jacquesm 3y agoYou have to wonder about the sanity of people that are in love with power for power's sake.
- lm28469 3y ago> Also slowly folding. It is not happening only in little countries like Slovakia. I assume you don't know much about Slovakia besides the few headlines that pop here and there, right ?
- timeon 3y agoI have mentioned Slovakia because conspiracy theories are mainstream there. Ministry of culture is ruled by one of those medias. I have mentioned Slovakia because I constantly hear about 'US bad Russia Good' there. I mentioned Slovakia because that is my home country. So tell me why would you assume my lack of knowledge?
- reportgunner 3y agoThat sounds like a yes to me
- lifestyleguru 3y agoSolid propaganda piece with the recent interview, now a popular opponent eliminated after long sadistic power play. Putin's Russia is consistently moving ahead, they don't seem to be losing at all.
- cbg0 3y agoRussia just hit 400K casualties since their invasion of Ukraine, I wouldn't call that "not losing at all".
- putna 3y agosorry, but that is nothing for rusland. 1 person is worth 3 drones - so about $800. The amount of gas/oil they sell per day can continue the war indefinetely.
- ioblomov 3y agoAgreed. People forget that both Napoleon and Hitler lost largely because of the sacrifice of Russian lives.
- lifestyleguru 3y ago"you are grossly underestimating sacrifice in lives of our humans we are willing to make"
- mittermayr 3y agoI often wonder what Russia will be like once Putin is gone. The time he has left can't be very long, so what happens then?
- timeon 3y ago> can't be very long He still has ~20 years.
- falcor84 3y agoYes, I expect he'll be getting every possible half-tested life extension treatment that money can buy. At this stage, I also wouldn't be that surprised if he amends their constitution to allow his uploaded intelligence to continue in the role after his physical death.
- lifestyleguru 3y agoSome other oligarch nominated alpha racketeer takes over.
- KingOfCoders 3y agoBreak up and civil war.
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- KingOfCoders 3y agoI'd bet on "IQ of chimpanzee". And my chimpanzee brain says: Break up of the British empire: Civil war. Break up of the Soviet empire: Civil war. Break up of the German empire: Civil war. Break up of the Russian empire: My chimpanzee brain thinks ...
- JohnBooty 3y agoI can only imagine an absolutely massive power vacuum followed by the inevitable power struggle lasting a decade or two.
- carlos-menezes 3y agoI don't understand why he went back to Russia --- on principle, maybe? Regardless, it wasn't worth it. He could and should have stayed in the West and pumped out anti-regime content: he would have achieved much more. Rest in peace.
- bitcharmer 3y agoGRU threatened his family. He did that to save them.
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- mirpa 3y agoHmm, in attempt to poison Skripal in London, they poisoned his daughter as well. It is quite silly to talk about this if you consider all the war crimes in Ukraine.
- zarzavat 3y agoCan’t be that, his wife went back with him to Russia and stayed there afterwards. Hardly the actions of someone protecting their family.
- bitcharmer 3y ago> Can’t be that Umm... why? He was given a choice. Either he returns or his family gets assassinated.
- zarzavat 3y agoIf someone was threatening to kill your family, would you deliver your wife to them? Nothing in the world would compel you, obviously. Clearly he believed that his family’s lives were exceptionally safe, probably way more safe than they actually were. The only explanation for his return that fits with the manner of his return is that he wanted to martyr himself.
- isolli 3y agoSad times for Russia... Barred anti-war Russian presidential candidate [Boris Nadezhdin] fails in two legal challenges [0] [0] https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barred-anti-war-russian-presidential-candidate-fails-in-two-legal-challenges/ar-BB1ikqyl https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barred-anti-war-russian...
- mistyq 3y agoHe is not an "anti-war candidate". To think it is possible without FSB approval is naivety. His purpose was to collect lists of people who signed for him (that is, new opposition that hasn't emigrated and formed naturally in 2022-2024 - needless to say, it consists of completely different demographics and people's backgrounds from the "old" opposition). Unfortunately these people are too naive to recognize the danger.
- throwaway290 3y agothis is FUD. Inventing another candidate while already sitting on already existing lists of tons of Navalny supporters? supporters to whom nothing happened through all that time? doesn't pass the smell check
- herculity275 3y agoNavalnyists are soft-banned in Russia. They can't make any meaningful public statements without hitting one of the censure laws (e.g. it's illegal to say anything about the war that differs from the official Kremlin line). The FSB just slaps the "foreign agent" designation onto the more loud ones and makes their lives difficult enough for them to migrate away. It's a slow cleanse but it's pretty effective.
- throwaway290 3y agoYou are talking about public discourse I replied to comment claiming a candidate was invented by our gov to collect PII of people who signed for him. Until people who donated/signed for Navalny are in trouble I don't see why that can be true
- ZoomZoomZoom 3y agoThe brave denizens of the Internet love to ridicule Russians for their learned helplessness, calling them weak, docile, etc. Well, here's another example of the thing that most of those who grew up in that culture know or feel subliminally: the hero always crushes evil and triumphs at the end of the story. But in real life, for every success there are thousands that wither along the way.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y agoMaybe I am not participating in the 'right' conversations, but I don't recall HN being a forum for such a silly name calling ( and if it is, it tends to be called out ). << the hero always crushes evil and triumphs at the end of the story. But in real life, for every success there are thousands that wither along the way. I think even in US kids learn really fast that there are no heroes; especially these days. One could argue this is one of the factors so many have withdrawn to easier past times.
- ZoomZoomZoom 3y agoJust to clarify, I'm not calling HN out on this specifically. This place is one of the most civilized corners of the web. In other places it's rampant though, and I'm pretty sure some of the people holding this view are here.
- PedroBatista 3y ago> Russians for their learned helplessness, calling them weak, docile, etc. "learned helplessness" yes "calling them weak, docile, etc." - I'm not aware of this going on in any meaningful scale. About the "learned helplessness" and general apathy it's true and the product of many things, one of them a very targeted effort to make the people internalize this during a whole century. China is very similar in this regard too. All those "decadent" western democracies went through periods of very violent internal wars, centuries of constant internal "cold wars" where the main objective was "democracy" that includes many things like separation of State/Justice/Free Speech, a minimum standard of living ( not just economic ) that society itself does not tolerate existing below that, etc. I'm talking about the real practical thing, not the "cerimonies" or the theatrical plays of "democracy" authoritarian regimes like to show. Russia never had that, it had a lot of violence, but for other reasons. One of the main one is Imperialism. "Russia" in reality is pretty much just Moscow and nearby lands, but Russians have imperialism in their psyche. That's why the Baltics, Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, etc are considered "brother" nations. Because most people in Russia would see no problem if they were somehow "peacefully" integrated in Russia. But when it comes to pay the price, Russians are "apathetic" because even with all those big speeches and grandiose imperial ego, they know anyone who shows initiative becomes a target. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but the best thing to happen to Russia would be to breakup in other states as much as this stupid brutality has been to keep it's internal integrity. That's also why they are always inventing evil external enemies.
- jacquesm 3y agoI wonder how the Kremlin apologists will spin this one. I find it unbelievable that someone like Putin seems to inspire people that are nominally far outside of his sphere of influence in spite of decades of mass murder leading an empire run by criminals.
- sidibe 3y agoBeing "anti-woke" gives you infinite leeway for many people
- inference-lord 3y ago"He was a western puppet" I've heard this already.
- The_Colonel 3y agoSomething like "it's the West's fault, if it left Eastern Europe to Russia, Putin would not get this bad"
- jacquesm 3y agoYes, that one has been used here on HN in fact, multiple times.
- publius_0xf3 3y agoTucker Carlson gave a pre-emptive justification following his tour, saying that real leaders have to kill people.
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- phpnode 3y agoAh, but what about...
- KingOfCoders 3y agoYes, all the same, UK prison cells and Russian Gulag with people tortured and worked to death. There is no difference between a $10 fine for parking in the wrong spot and the death sentence. The later is just a little bit more "harsh".
- pearjuice 3y agoI'm not sure why or what you are cherry picking here. I could easily quote pieces on how prisoners are treated in Guantanamo Bay, what happened in Abu Ghraib under American supervision or how we happily send billions of dollars to a country of which Save the Children said of the detained children "86% were beaten, 69% were strip searched, 60% spent time in solitary confinement, 68% were denied any healthcare, and 58% were denied visits or communication with family". I'm not pro-Russia, pro-Putin or pro-anyone-who-detains-opposition-for-life. I'm also not pro people saying "Russia bad" when these things happen everywhere and somehow think they are morally superior.
- KingOfCoders 3y agoAssange is in Guantanamo Bay? Since when? You keep shifting your arguments around. "Save the Children" So it's no longer about political prisoners (I assume you think Assange is one), but about children? "we happily send billions of dollars to a country" Who is we? You have sent billions of dollars to the US? I haven't. I thought the article was about Russia, why exactly are we talking about the US prison system now? What is the goal? Making the Russian Gulag look good? Improving the US prison system? I've campaigned against the US prison system with AI. Did you? If you didn't, it's simply Whataboutism. Whataboutism has one goal, and one goal alone: Deflect criticism. "I'm not pro-Russia" You're words tell a different story. "morally superior." Straw man argument.
- KingOfCoders 3y agoThe (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's trust that was left in Europe. We just need to get our act together, not every country building or buying it's own incompatible weapons (like tanks, planes, frigates). The war in Ukraine shows how bad it is to run a war with ten different models of tanks etc. And we can - at last - close Ramstein, Landstuhl and Weilerbach in Germany, no longer supporting US wars in the Middle East and beyond. Living as a kid through the 70s and 80s with the PershingII/NATO Double-Track Decision I also would not have thought this threat is coming back the way it did. [0] I'm sure Germany will not proceed on it's $10b F-35 plans
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- swarnie 3y agoI hate this "Europe" generalisation... Are you talking about the UK, Spain or Romania? Some have met their spending targets, others didn't suck on the Russki gas pipe. If you want to say Germany, just say Germany.
- matthewaveryusa 3y ago1973 Europe. We all know post 2000 countries were for the economic zone (Poland is an interesting case, but Germany never considered them trusted partners, building their gas pipelines around and not through PL) So what about Romania? Looking at it from a European security standpoint they only need to be aligned to the mission
- miroljub 3y ago> Yes, close those US bases, such a smart strategic move Finally something that Europeans and Americans can agree about. Just GTFO from Europe and never ever come back. We don't need you, you don't need us. The world will be a better place when Native Americans regain their land and get rid of the dominance of the descendants of the European colonists.
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- cedws 3y agoIncredibly sad. Navalny had balls of steel to stand up to a murderous dictator like he did. It feels like it was all for nought. Putin kills another opposition figure and nobody bats an eye.
- falcor84 3y ago> nobody bats an eye That's not the problem. Here we are all batting our eyes, but that doesn't help. Thousands of Russians went out to the streets to protest the war and got arrested without making a difference. I'm very unclear on what kind of sacrifice would be required at this stage to change the situation in Russia.
- kranke155 3y agoA full general strike of some kind. But Putin is popular and so is the war. Russia is a top 10 world economy, rivalling Germany in GDP PPP. This article "The Majority Never Had It So Good", was enlightening for me about the situation in interior Russia: https://russiapost.info/regions/majority https://russiapost.info/regions/majority Effectively a lot of stuff we talk about (no more travel, hard to get money outside of Russia) is meaningless to many Russians, many of which are getting good money to go fight in the war.
- arp242 3y agoDo you remember what happened with the large general strikes in Syria a decade ago? You don't "just" protest these kind of authoritarian regimes; there's tons of examples for this. In Nazi-occupied Netherlands there was a large general strike to oppose the Jewish deportations ("February strike"). This worked out about as well as one would imagine. It was stopped in about a day by force, with several casualties. Most of the organizers were summarily executed days later without much of a trail, dozens others were sent to prison for a decade, and the Germans warned "we let you off easy this time, but next time the consequences will be serious". So that was the end of that kind of protest for the rest of the war. There's an old Iraqi joke from the 90s (controversy surrounding Bush's Iraq war notwithstanding, it genuinely was an authoritarian regime and atrocious by any standard): "Congratulations mister President, 99.98% of the people voted for you in the election! Only 0.02% of the people voted against you; a fantastic result! What more could you want? The President growls: "their names". It's pretty funny, and also describes the kind of fears people have. Often these fears are very realistic. Lots of things you and I can "just" do in free democracies just don't apply to authoritarian regimes. I never lived in those kind of circumstances, and I think it takes some amount of effort to really understand what it's like.
- lordfrito 3y agoIf you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Edit: Russia is pushing westward not eastward!
- kemotep 3y agoHow do you propose the west avoids conflict with Russia and China? Is there any examples in history of appeasement leading to less bloodshed?
- lordfrito 3y agoI'm not sure we can avoid conflict now, I think we're past the point where that was possible (last 10-15 years were critical). I think both Russia and China understand that, and are planning accordingly. I'm proposing we wake up and start doing the same, planning and drawing "do not cross" lines in the sand to hopefully limit the total/final scope of the conflict. Yes this will force an earlier confrontation -- but WWII would have been a lot less bloody if Europe had stood up to Hitler earlier -- problem was everyone thought that appeasing him would make things better. It's clear both Russia and China can't be appeased at this point. Both need to be checked.
- hackinthebochs 3y ago>planning and drawing "do not cross" lines in the sand to hopefully limit the total/final scope of the conflict. The irony here is unreal. Yes, drawing red lines is a good way to avoid runaway escalation, if only world powers are willing to honor them.
- eastbound 3y agoNo, Europe’s problem was that we were pacifists. France still prides itself for inventing the Congés Payés (paid leave) in 1936 while the Germans were building their military might. The price in lieu of our “acquis sociaux” was getting occupied, point blank. Europe still prides itself for having female ministers of defense in every major country (who remembers them? We give the job to women when we just need to maintain things; Men traditionally seize the head-of-war position by force when someone wants to get things done, the position of Minister of Defense is figurative and should not exist) and feminist warfare (=give priority to women in war). Europe also prides itself for its glorious occupation by … ahem… by the thing I’m not allowed to talk about because we’re under occupation. Our kids get smashed at school, that’s for sure, under the eye if teachers who forbid them from responding with force. If I were Russia, I’d pay all the leaflets and papers on which the “Vivrensemble with enemey people” posters are printed. We’re vegans, we’re trans, we’re using non-violent communication, we’re in discord on our soil, we destroy every trait of masculinity during education: We’re incapable of war, and we’re incapable of being a threat to Russia. For as long as I’ve been hearing Macron’s minister say we’re “doing a total economic war” with Russia (literal words), for as long as I hear the West is winning and Russia is on its knees, I see that every battle is one step closer inside Europe. We’re losing.
- sys_64738 3y agoHe would have been severely tortured in various manners. You don't survive the Russian gulag.
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- KaiserPro 3y agoHe was the leader of a political movement that was explicitly banned from taking part in elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_of_the_Future https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_of_the_Future j6 was a singular event, which loosely coalesced around one person to achieve a goal (stop the election being certified, thus "stopping the steal") at no point did j6 attempt to enter into the democratic system as a party.
- hurflmurfl 3y agoNot sure if you're just trying to troll, but you don't get elected into any Duma if you're from the opposition. In fact I don't remember there being any real (elected) opposition in Russia, the "multiple parties" have always just been a theater. Like maybe some of the smaller parties would sometimes manage to push some insignificant agenda, but the important issues would always be controlled by the actual leadership in power.
- richrichie 3y agoNo it was a genuine question. Did his party win any seats at any election at all? Call me old school, i am a bit skeptical of single perspective foreign country coverage after the Iraq war lies and NYT’s fawning coverage of Stalin’s Russia.
- tokai 3y agoRussia is not a democracy. I doesn't matter if he won any elections.
- richrichie 3y agoWhy do you say so? They seem to have regular elections and voter turnout seems decent (per wikipedia).
- huqedato 3y agoGreat job, Vladimir Vladimirovich! Your late mentor, Stalin is so proud of your achievements.
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- ModernMech 3y agoAmazing this happens just as a concerted pro Russia media campaign is being run by the American political right. It will be interesting to see what they do now. This is definitely a loyalty test for them. Those who speak out against Putin at this point will be excised from the party.
- squarefoot 3y agoI wonder how the pro-Putin crowd will react to this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68309496 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68309496 and this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68266447 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68266447 My country is spending around 1.4% of GDP for defense, therefore it made into the list of countries he would encourage Putin to invade. The guy apparently doesn't know about the over 100 (publicly known) USA military bases and the American people working there (around 13000).
- ModernMech 3y agoYeah the last few weeks or so have been interesting. A raft of politicians block Ukraine aid. Then they go on the air to say how strong Putin is, and how his victory is inevitable. Then Tucker Carlson airs footage of himself in Moscow saying what he sees there will “radicalize you against your government, seeing how much better Russians have it, I know radicalized me at least” Trump argues in court that presidents have the right to assassinate political rivals. Trump says on national TV multiple times that he would encourage Putin to invade NATO countries. Now Putin assassinates his already imprisoned political rival.
- andy_ppp 3y agoI couldn’t believe how brave he was going back to Russia after being poisoned the first time, I didn’t understand it and assumed this would happen at some point. I don’t understand how Putin thinks this can be good for him to do this now but it certainly will make anyone running against him aware it’s a very bad idea. It reminds me starkly that Europe is going to be dealing with the Russian problem for a long time after Ukraine is settled one way or another.
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- kortilla 3y agoFell down the stairs and accidentally shot himself in the back 8 times? How are these events viewed internally in Russia? Is it just widely known that the government arranged it and it was “good, because he was a traitor”?
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- inference-lord 3y agoRIP. I hope we don't have similar news about Julian Assange someday soon.
- secondary_op 3y agoBeing young Russian citizen with liberal world views I passionatly followed Alexey Navalny and his team work, at the time it was seemingly altruistic, positive, and very entertaining. But now not so young anymore and hopefully smarter, I am looking back and seeing that what it was, was play to hijack power for the sake of it, create instability as means to gain power, and from more recent interview with people worked side by side with Navalny [1] [2] it is clear that what he was on public was facade and underneatch was power hungry man that weaponised internet platforms, populism and worked by the book-play of a typical foreign NGO interfering with sovereign state. [1] Anastasia Vasilyeva: Navalny’s harassment and FBK’s deception /// EMPATHY OF MANUCHI https://youtu.be/ei-9Wh_jaCs https://youtu.be/ei-9Wh_jaCs [2] YandexGPT a short summary of the video from the neural network https://300.ya.ru/v_6k8mRO4e?t=1063 https://300.ya.ru/v_6k8mRO4e?t=1063
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- banku_brougham 3y agoDoes anyone know why NATO/US never gave Ukraine what they were asking for! jets, Anti-air systems, ATACMs, etc?
- buster 3y agoMaybe because, on the other side of the table sits a lunatic with a massive amount of atomic bombs. Also, because Ukraine is not NATO.
- beretguy 3y agoAnd now they want to put those atomic bombs into space, cause we let them know that we won’t do anything about it.
- jncfhnb 3y agoThe republicans mostly
- r0ckarong 3y agoBecause this whole shit is just another cold war meant to drive the interest of power on both sides. The west got justification to jack up prices on everything in the name of "energy crisis because we need to do the right thing" and the East can expand their power and nationalize western businesses in the name of "sanctions" that happen to be relabeled and still run profitably through shell companies. It's all just another big squeeze to wring some more out of the normal folk.
- seanw444 3y agoAnd just like every other time, you're the stupid one if you don't vote in lockstep with the current trendy war. And then two decades later after the war, when people aren't so vehemently biased one way or the other, then everyone agrees again "war is stupid - why did everyone fall for it?"
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- rubytubido 3y agoReally sad news. But if you really think that he was killed - why now? He was "under control" in a prison for multiple years, so why kill him now? It worsens Russia's public image even more My assumptions: 1) He was killed, but why now? 2) He died because Russians' prison has a really bad conditions of detention - so his health was declining over time
- arp242 3y agoIt's not my impression that Putin overly cares about Russia's public image abroad. And plausibility seems a good reason for "why now". You need to be very naïve to not strongly suspect foul play here, or in other cases of people falling out windows and whatnot, but you can also never be quite sure. Not really. So there is at least some plausibility that it was "just" an accident, or "just" illness, at least when trying to sell this to the Russian people.
- stephenitis 3y agoThey cared enough to cheat every Olympics systematically
- cedws 3y agoI think Putin was keeping him around until the 2024 elections to use as a tool. "Do not cross me or this is what happens" is the message.
- replwoacause 3y agoPerhaps because he was more of a focal point before, with that Netflix documentary, and they were waiting for him to exit the public consciousness, or at least have his prominence fade, before killing him. If they would have killed him at the peak of his popularity that would have invited more action from the rest of the world. Just speculating…
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- sampa 3y agowell, that's a lesson for every western-backed opposition wannabe: don't trust your German handlers (probably told him, they will support him like a murderer Khodorkovsky, and get him out later) prisons are bad for your health
- tekkk 3y agoPeople are throwing hyperboles while the incident is merely symbolic. Nothing changes whatsoever. And while it's easy to armchair guestimate Russia and its future, we western folk simply cant truly understand the nation and its people. They've endured WWII, USSR and some say take pride in how much they've suffered. But Europe certainly should get its act together, especially regarding its ammo production. There was plenty of time to ramp up after Crimea,now the improvements are predicted to finish in couple of years. And US is again proving its indecideness in maintaining foreign policy. The war in Ukraine is existential to Putins Russia and I am wishing the democratic nations win. However, I'm not holding my breath. It's the same as having a street fight. Without outside inference, the one who is more willing for absolute violence most likely wins.
- apienx 3y ago“Life makes no sense if you have to tolerate endless lies. I will never accept this system, which is built on lies[..]” — Alexei Navalny Alexei believed in doing what’s right, not what’s easy. In his honour, let’s all do our part to help the truth prevail.
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- stephenitis 3y agoYour comment sounds disingenuous. Talking about alternative ideas is the start. Arguably the most dangerous part.
- seanw444 3y agoYeah, what's he supposed to do? Head a frontal assault on the Kremlin? Dude's a political figure. His job is to talk.
- MrDresden 3y agoThe job he chose was to inspire people, and show them a way to protest from within the system (the strategic voting system he and his followers published).
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- MrDresden 3y agoLet's wait and see what his legacy will be.
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- dupertrooper 3y agoI Russian (government employees) are fuckheads. Ok i framed it as anti-government are we allowed to say negative things about Russian bots here? When they murdered someone?
- AlecSchueler 3y agoPolitical points are discouraged here.
- ChrisArchitect 3y agohttps://archive.vn/3N4Af https://archive.vn/3N4Af
- kulikalov 3y agoThere are smart people who work for Russia, or worse - for russian gov. Without them it would not be possible. How can an individual have both the critical thinking and still have the gut to contribute to this? I grew up in rural russia. It's much much worse than what you see on the facade. My neighbour was a police man. His 15 years boy raped a kid from local orphanage and captured it on a video. No justice followed, because his dad is a policeman. No one spoke up. Everyone just accepted it, as they always do. When he grew up he became a policeman. It's not even the most screwed up story that I witnessed. This is beyond fucked up. It's a case of mass inheritable PTSD. All males I knew in my family tree were violent drunks, all females were bitten up housewives. This place is surreal and should not exist. And my family was somewhat functional compared to some neighbours. I abandoned everything there and got out as soon as I could make any money. I wish every person capable of critical thinking just leave this dreadful place and let it descend to the middle ages.
- selimthegrim 3y agoOh my God this sounds like New Orleans
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- MrDresden 3y ago> How can an individual have both the critical thinking and still have the gut to contribute to this? Personal experience has taught me that critical thinking does not nessecarily go hand in hand with the ability and/or the guts to push for change. Many who move through corporate worlds do so for personal gains, and will not speak out against or put them selves in the spotlight to fix issues that might reflect badly on their upward progress in the hierarchy. And from my interaction of these kinds of people, they have often been very intelligent. I believe the same behaviour and motives sadly exist for many in modern day societies.
- amai 3y agoA 47 year old man killed by the 72 year old president. Nothing shows the conflict of generations in Russia better than this. The old farts of Russia/Soviet Union are killing the younger generation and by that are killing Russias future. For what, grandpa? For what?
- secondary_op 3y ago[flagged]
- acuozzo 3y agoWhat future? Between the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s and the collapse of the USSR, Russia has only a few generations left before experiencing demographic collapse. There simply aren't enough young men there to keep the Russian population growing and the population there doesn't value diversity enough to consider producing more Russian children with immigrants. This is what many believe (e.g., Peter Zeihan) to be the real reason behind the invasion of Ukraine. Ukraine is "Russian enough" in their eyes, so combining the two populations would help stave off demographic collapse.
- machinekob 3y agoThere is not enough Young women as MEN cant give a birth, still russian demographic looks terrible and this is very good news for all russian neighbors and EU as last imperial country in Europe will die
- EasyMark 3y agoSeems like Putin may be trying to get rid of young men currently...
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- coffeebeqn 3y agoIs this any different from any other country? I don’t think their birth rates are that different from South Korea or Italy or Canada
- axegon_ 3y agoI love how naive and gullible most people can be... Just google past the first result and you'll see that he is a carbon copy of putin - they are literally the two sides of the same coin. His personal views were perfectly in line with the russian leadership for the past 300 years: believed in imperialism and ethnic superiority. He played opposition for one reason and one reason alone: personal gains. He softened down his tone internationally in the past decade just to buy himself some sympathy from the west(and sadly way too many people ate it like a fresh doughnut). But he was no different. Assuming there is such a thing as opposition in russia(which, I'm sorry, I don't believe for a nanosecond), I'd argue his contribution was to further divide it.
- avgcorrection 3y agoI haven’t looked hard into this issue but that’s the more likely explanation in these kinds of situations. So you have a terrible kind-of dictator and you have a seemingly charismatic opposition. In a country stereo-typically ruled or co-ruled by oligarchs. What’s the most likely explanation? That the opposition is a selfless saint who only wants to liberate Russia (or tone it down to: wants reform, democracy, is kind of an egotist but is using his ego for good ends)? Or that he’s another shade of dark who is aligned with other factions close to or inside the power elite of Russia? And that Russia wouldn’t fundamentally change with one or the other at the helm—it’s still the same corrupt country. Of course we The West jump to the fantastical conclusion that he, an opposition leader in Russia, wants everything that we want and would be the seedling of prosperity of Russia but also (most importantly) wants to be friends and buddies with The West. Not surprised to see your comment at the very bottom of this thread by the way.
- axegon_ 3y agoThat's what I mean by naive. I doubt you'd find anyone from a country that was a member of the Warsaw pact with a functioning brain that would disagree with me. I'm saying that being a representative myself. And you really don't have to look all that far to see that what I said about him is true: being the other side of the same coin. Literally a few scrolls down the results page on google and you find this [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT0tCSaWZ9Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT0tCSaWZ9Q
- iwontberude 3y agoAt least there is now a chance that Russia’s next opposition leader doesn’t support Crimean annexation.
- seanw444 3y agoRest in peace. It's wild to me how everyone has a (very energetic) opinion about a conflict nowhere near their home, helmed by people they don't know, fought by people they don't understand, over problems they don't understand. I wish we could return to when not every conflict between nations was a considered a global emergency.
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- avaika 3y agoThe war affects everyone. Some people die, some suffer because they are under shelling or occupation, some suffer cause their loved one die. But those outside war zone suffer as well. Due to broken food chains, crazy economic inflation and general political instability. For sure it's as bad as when you're dead because of the random shell hitting your home, but still. When a man with a nuclear button savagely kills his opponent just because he can, this creates instability inside the country. And increases chances, that once he dies (which eventually will happen), some radical guy might overtake the power and who knows what happens next. I understand that a lot of events in the world might have potential global effect, but only few of them might hit as bad.
- seanw444 3y agoI don't understand why people are so scared specifically about Putin's nukes. He's not the only murderous dictator with a big red button, but he's the only one I hear people worrying about. Xi + the CCP is just as much, if not more, of a threat. And due to the way things are going, they're testing the waters in cooperation and friendship.
- awb 3y agoThere have been decades of tension, proxy wars and explicit threats of mutual nuclear destruction between Russia and the West.
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- balex 3y agoLenin, Stalin, Putin... "There's this new guy, Flapin. Good strong name, let's make him our leader! What could possibly go wrong?"
- freetanga 3y agoI hope never to see this conflict materialize, but if it does, I expect Russian aviation to be wiped out fairly quickly even without US assistance (they have not gained Air Superirity against Ukraine in 2 years). And then a lot of angry Poles doing a blitz across Bielorussia. At that point shit either goes Nuclear or Russia retreats. I just don’t see Russian tanks across Berlin. PS: hopefully now of this ever happens
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- westmeal 3y agoRIP buddy
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- poundofshrimp 3y agoNeither of the links works
- pastacacioepepe 3y agoThe article link was cut somehow, here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/01/we-need-have-talk-about-alexei-navalny/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/01/we-need-h... The picture link expired, here's a new one: https://ibb.co/mTNsF7n https://ibb.co/mTNsF7n
- verteu 3y agoThe link was abbreviated when you copy-pasted your previous downvoted comment verbatim.
- pastacacioepepe 3y agoOh that makes sense, I always repost flagged comments since flagging is abused so often that it has become a joke. No actual moderator has ever complained of it with me, so that means it's just groups of highly biased users who can't stand what I have to say.
- verteu 3y agoI was not referring to the flag, but the downvotes, which indicate that a majority of users feel your comment does not add to the discussion.
- pastacacioepepe 3y ago> downvotes, which indicate that a majority of users feel your comment does not add to the discussion. I've been on HN for far less than you have but I still have more karma than you do, it means your contributions add less to the discussion than mine do, somehow. Anyway I reposted it because it got flagged. It just had 2 downvotes, that's pretty normal and I'm used to my opinion not being popular here. After all there's lots of privileged americans and westerners in HN userbase. But maybe you'd prefer to hear only one side? Perhaps we should have only "discussions" where everyone agrees that the Western liberal point of view is the best and there are no downvotes at all. Oh that would be so enriching and stimulating!
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- jnsaff2 3y agoEven in non-kremlin controlled forums you feel the need to tow the kremlin line and be all pissy about it. But I will bite. Navalny, obviously a political prisoner, dies under government care a few years after the same government tried to poison him. The government announces his death 2 minutes after he was pronounced dead. Then you come here and huff and puff that people discussing this are morons. Care to explain how it is HN crowd who are idiots and not, in fact, you?
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- tibbydudeza 3y agoSo they finally killed him - regime is confident not to worry about him being turned into a martyr since the Russian people has been sufficiently cowed and intimidated since the Tsarist/Glasnost days to accept their place that is modern Russia.
- orangesite 3y agoTucker Carlson killed Alexei Navalny. Edit: Practice systemic awareness. This was not a throwaway comment.
- replwoacause 3y agoI hate Tucker Carlson and don’t watch his bloviations, so can someone tell me what this means?
- orangesite 3y agoIt's illuminating to listen to how a Russian saw that interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-iXSPZi_Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-iXSPZi_Q
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- mvdtnz 3y agoGreenwald is a huge piece of shit and is best ignored completely.
- secondary_op 3y agoon what grounds ?
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- bitcharmer 3y agoAs someone born and raised in Poland I can tell you that the Russians are universally hated by other Slavs. We get along with Lithuanians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Chechs, Slovaks, basically everyone except the Russians. The sentiment is widespread across central Europe. You can call it racism or xenophobia, I don't care. Putin is not one person, there's a whole nation behind him. Most people online seem to forget this.
- untech 3y ago1. That’s not a very nice thing to say. Raised in Russia, I know that there are some people who hate Poles, however, all these haters are backwards and anti-progressive in general. 2. Lithuanians are not Slavs.
- bitcharmer 3y ago> 1. That’s not a very nice thing to say This is not an undeserved sentiment. Russia's every neighbour will tell you that.
- mynameisnoone 3y agoIn Texas, I ran into a recent Russian emigrant/asylum seeker who said he had to leave Russia because the corruption and personal security issues were too much and presently unfixable. Since arriving here, he has already hustled semi-seasonal work to reach over $100k/year in independent commercial transportation services. We spoke mostly by using the Google Translate conversation app as he's still struggling to learn English, which is a very difficult language.
- rllearneratwork 3y agowas murdered by putin and his thugs, not "has died"
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- senderista 3y agoIf you think Navalny was anything but a Russian nationalist, or that he would have acted differently than Putin on e.g. returning Crimea to Ukraine[0], try learning more about him. Also, Reuters is really showing its bias here by incessantly referring to Putin as "the former KGB spy". Imagine if an article about Reagan while he was president referred to him constantly as "the former Hollywood actor". [0] https://crimea.suspilne.media/en/news/942 https://crimea.suspilne.media/en/news/942
- tryauuum 3y agoI don't understand why people keep talking about nationalism and Crimea. Does it justify him being dead (which is the title post)?
- xdennis 3y agoYou hit the nail on the head. They're highlighting his flaws to make it so his "passing" wasn't really that bad. It's why he's being compared to Putin. It's a typical Russian tactic: you can't make Putin seem like an angel, but you can portray everybody as corrupt. Make them think that "everybody is the same" and the indifference is more powerful than repression because most people won't even revolt.
- Lockal 3y agoFirst time I see "_ has died" on the first page on HN without black bar (since it was introduced).
- wruza 3y agoIt's not uncommon, ime. They only put it up for people related to our "domain".
- mipsi 3y agoRIP. After all the attacks and humiliation going back and opposing the evil lord is testimony for having skin in the game (BTW, Snowden still in Moscow?).
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- tankaiji 3y agoThis doesn’t look like Navalny’s face
- avmich 3y agoI'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. USA was able to gradually turn from some positions to different others. For Russia it seems the current situation is still the fall to the deeper chasms of self-destruction.
- alumnisfu 3y ago> I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. If you are comparing him to MLK, you've not seen Navalny's videos on Central Asians I guess (in case you need a summary: compares them to insects that need to be exterminated then kills one with a handgun).
- avmich 3y agoI think I'm quite familiar with Alexei's actions.
- obscurette 3y agoNavalny was a russian chovinist, but it's nothing special for russians unfortunately. I don't know what video you mean, but I guess it's from times when Navalny ran campaign for major of Moscow – it was quite popular position back then. But his positions softened a lot since then.
- eveningsteps 3y agohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ILxqIEEMg https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ILxqIEEMg
- tryauuum 3y agoI wish we had more guns in Russia. Then the war wouldn't have happened -- how could you conscript a person if you know he can shoot you the moment you come for him?
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- endigma 3y agoIts funny to me that with the current state of Russia this guy could have died with absolutely zero interference from the state and the rest of the world will assume he was killed no matter what comes out of Russian media, purely due to their track record with this sort of thing.
- jakub_g 3y agoThere is even a dedicated wiki page for 2022+ deaths of Russian businesspeople https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_Russian_businesspeople_(2022%E2%80%932024) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_Russian...
- coffeebeqn 3y agoFunny how the Russian gov poisoned him and sent him to Siberia to a labor camp. They had nothing to do with it!
- endigma 3y agoNot sure why I'm being downvoted, I'm not trying to suggest that this death isn't suspicious, just commenting that even if it wasn't people wouldn't believe the Russians due to how often this happens.
- HumblyTossed 3y agoHow many has Putin had killed now? Anyone keeping a tally?
- layer8 3y agoThe biggest portion is all those who died in the Ukraine war so far. Some 6-digit number.
- SergeAx 3y agoIn 2021 Joe Biden warned putin of ‘devastating’ consequences for Russia if Navalny dies in prison: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/16/politics/alexey-navalny-biden-putin-geneva/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/16/politics/alexey-navalny-b...
- zeruch 3y agoDeath by murder. Navalny was far from a saint, but his death is still a Kremlin job by any measure, and I suspect will only accelerate Putin's decline, as the state of Russian affairs continues to degrade.
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- gigatexal 3y agoAbsolutely terrible. Now we pray time/entropy delivers us a world without Putin. Smh.
- patrickmay 3y agoNavalny didn't just "die." He was murdered by Putin.
- marttt 3y agoA historian and renowned Russia expert in my country (Estonia) commented that this was probably bad timing for Putin. Now, as a martyr, Navalnyi is much more of a disturbance to Putin's regimen than he would have been as an isolated opposition leader serving a 19-year prison sentence, which rendered him not a direct threat to Putin. Like the expert put it: as a political prisoner, Navalnyi was already simply forgotten by many. [1] Somehow this got me flipping through a book by Anna Politkovskaya, Russian journalist extraordinaire who covered the Second Chechen War and was shot dead in Moscow in 2006, on the birthday of Putin. [2] I want to think that the age of massive online information does make at least a slight difference as to how much of the reasons behind events like these see the light of day eventually. Rest in peace, Alexei Navalnyi. 1: https://news.err.ee/1609255851/historian-navalny-s-death-will-not-be-a-turning-point-for-russia https://news.err.ee/1609255851/historian-navalny-s-death-wil... (Interestingly, the paragraph on Navalnyi being more of a disturbance now, after being declared dead, was not included in the English version of this news story. This is quite surprising, since ERR is actually a very well balanced source of news. All in all, that story includes interesting takes on Navalny as a politician, too, by another highly respeced Russia expert from Estonia.) 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya
- dralley 3y agoJudging by Putin's mood this morning, he doesn't think or particularly care that it's bad timing.
- shmerl 3y agoSort of weird that by killing Navalny, Putin made life harder for his shills in the House of Representatives who do his bidding to oppose aid for Ukraine. But I guess he thinks his "Axis Sallys" like Carlson are enough to whitewash anything he does.
- wonderwonder 3y agoI will never understand why Wagner just stood down and Prigozhin just essentially agreed to suicide. He was obviously not a good man but he could have done the world a favor.
- meitham 3y agoWasn’t he considered a nazi before the Ukraine war? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56181084 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56181084 Suddenly all the enemies of Putin are the good guys, even Yevgeny Prigozhin somehow turned into a hero in his last few days when he turned against Putin. And then we have US citizens dying in Ukraine prisons for publishing videos on YouTube that tells different story to the war in Ukraine, such as Gonzalo Lira without any notice in the western media!
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- billybobmcjohn 3y agowho? how is he relevant to hn
- rmuratov 3y agoI feel like nothing good will ever happen again.
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- commiepatrol 3y agoHow's Assange?
- kevrmoore 3y agoHe as a deepstate asset plotting a color revolution. The timing of this news is highly suspicious. The NWO is a globalist imperialist regime.
- type0 3y agoI didn't find much difference between Navalny and Prigozhin, it's the same russkiy mir expansionist rhetoric.
- someonehere 3y agoTake it for what it’s worth https://youtube.com/watch?v=lH00vf93QA8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=lH00vf93QA8
- mppm 3y agoTell HN: Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
- timka 3y agohttps://t.me/indeec_1937/14672 https://t.me/indeec_1937/14672