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iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus

• Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
  I can only say this: finally, a type-C port.
  • happytiger 3y ago
    They got dragged kicking and screaming to this solution by European regulators. Glad it’s finally done, but good Lord that was too long coming.
    • dmt0 3y ago
      And now they're presenting it as an upgrade.
      • happytiger 3y ago
        I mean, as snarky as I am about this, it still technically is an upgrade.
    • quitit 3y ago
      While the EU is a factor, the EU's mandatory ruling came too late to affect this product. In term's of iPhone release schedules only the iPhone 17 would fall into needing mandatory USB-C. The USB-3 controller is in the A17 chip and not a separate component, considering the lead time for chip design and production it seems Apple had the transition in mind for quite a bit longer than the recent legislation changes in EU parliament. As a timeline: the EU Parliament only proposed making USB-C mandatory in September 2021, and then only formally approved it in October 2022, prior to that it was just the EU's serving suggestion. Enforcement only begins on new product introductions from the latest October 2024, Apple release their Phones in September, meaning both the iPhone 15 and 16 could realistically still use lightning without infringement. However now that Apple has introduced USB-C EU member states can safely fast track the law without affecting their economies (despite certain HN fantasies, forcing a major phone supplier out of the market for lolz is not good for a country.)
      • Liquid_Fire 3y ago
        Surely Apple continue selling old models for a couple years, so waiting until the last moment would not work.
        • quitit 3y ago
          Not so as the mandate only applies to newly released products sold in the EU, not existing products. Also as the Pro's USB3 controller is in the A-series chip and not a separate component it stands that Apple had already planned the change over -before- the EU even tabled it as a mandatory requirement. Sure you could say that they saw the writing on the wall, which is certainly a factor, but they could have just as easily switched the port without deeper integration into the device just to satisfy a legislative requirement. On the other hand one could equally say: Apple have been transitioning their entire lineup to the type C connector over several years and now would be an appropriate time to bring the phone into the fold. The idea that Apple bent to the will of the EU is largely overblown, it was an obvious change and their hardware indicates that they've been planning this for a while.
          • Liquid_Fire 3y ago
            Do you have a source for "newly released"? Everything I can find talks about "new" only. I am not surprised that Apple have planned this for a while, because the EU have been pushing this for a while even before making USB-C mandatory. Previously it was only a recommendation for micro-USB, and Apple was practically the only manufacturer that didn't adopt it. If it was such an obvious change, why did it take them 5+ years longer than other manufacturers?
            • quitit 3y ago
              >The new rules would not apply to products placed on the market before the date of application. Source: The European Parliament website. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220930IPR41928/long-awaited-common-charger-for-mobile-devices-will-be-a-reality-in-2024 https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220930IP... > Do you have a source for "newly released"? Everything I can find talks about "new" only. Respectfully the only place you need to be looking for this information is the EU parliament website.
    • isykt 3y ago
      You think Apple was dragged kicking and screaming into being able to sell the same accessories they have already developed but with a different connector? Once the EU signaled they were going to mandate this, there was no reason to do it any sooner. When Apple changed from 30-pin, there was an uproar. “Now my iPod Alarm Clock doesn’t work with my new iPhone!” Now gets it both ways: more sales, no blame. “The EU made us do it…”
      • happytiger 3y ago
        One year and one product cycle in advance of being in violation of required changes isn’t exactly commendable innovation. You aren’t wrong about being able to make money and claim the high moral ground while doing so…
  • bjoli 3y ago
    I wonder if we could ever hope for it to get a 3.5mm port. I am rocking a pixel 5a with a broken screen, but I haven't found a good update yet. An iPhone with an audio jack would make me leave android in 10 seconds.
    • jcrash 3y ago
      I felt the same way, until I got an iPhone without it. It’s truly unnecessary in 2023. If you really need a headphone jack, the adapters work great. Otherwise, AirPods are 100x better than wired.
      • bjoli 3y ago
        AirPods are not 100x better than wired. If you are not bothered by latency or audio quality, great for you. I usually don't mind audio quality, but the latency drives me insane. My wired headphones have 25ms latency. In perfect conditions airpods2 have 5x that paired with an iPhone. The only times it does not bother me is when listening to podcasts. The DAC in the dongle I got with my iPad pro is noticeably worse than my pixel 5a.
    • quitit 3y ago
      Because I hear this less and less, your comment does stand out - what really piques my curiosity. Could you share your primary motivation for wanting an analogue audio jack? Like you do you have some great old headphones, or is there some other compelling reasons that I don't know about? No reason is silly, it's just something I'm really curious about because I come from the other side where I moved to wireless long before the jack was removed.
      • FrankoDelMar 3y ago
        Not OP, but I used to use a decent pair of wired, in-ear headphones with the male Lightning to female 3.5mm adaptor since I found wireless headphone quality during that time to be subpar up until the airpod pros came out. I still had a lot of issues with this configuration however as the adapter was flimsy and would break frequently, and since the DAC was now placed in the adapter itself, the audio quality was noticeably worse than in the previous 3.5mm models. But even with good bluetooth headphones, bluetooth just doesn’t have enough bandwidth to listen to music at high fidelity.
• JoshGlazebrook 3y ago
  They sure are out of ideas.
  • jamiedumont 3y ago
    Small (anec)data point, but I got invited last week by my local Apple Store to attend the event there and upgrade on the day. Never had that happen before, and have a history (that Apple surely knows) of buying 6 months after launch and then holding for 4-7 years. I get the impression — admittedly having not watched the event — that Apple feel the need to work hard and drum up interest for this release.
  • Avamander 3y ago
    I think the entire industry is. Many aspects have reached their peaks, more isn't always better, phone screens for example. CPU performance hasn't improved as fast as previously either. Things are faster and going to get even faster, but not in massive leaps. I imagine they are or will start trickling "new" features. Be it USB3/4, Thunderbolt, WiFi 7 (or higher bandwidth light or UWB standards). Just because the other races aren't offering much besides better numbers.
  • threeseed 3y ago
    Phones are a finished product line and have been for a while. Apart from incremental bumps there isn't anything you can add that will move the needle. The next battle now moves onto AR/VR.
    • fomine3 3y ago
      Foldable is a long intermediate solution for bigger screen until AR become usable/portable in everywhere.
• beisner 3y ago
  Annoying that it's not Thunderbolt 4...
• matonias 3y ago
  The action button reminds me of the Mactini https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BGGOn-H7s3Q https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BGGOn-H7s3Q
• sp332 3y ago
  Man, I really miss that Playstation microsite making fun of the Xbox Kinect. I think of that guy saying "WE have BUTTONS!" every time someone pretends that having buttons is a revelation.
• _chu1 3y ago
  Where's the removable battery? Is that not coming until next iPhone? What about third-party app stores? Love to see their walled garden come crashing down.
  • notesinthefield 3y ago
    When were these things ever more than pie-in-the-sky solutions to litigation? this is apple we're talking about, the EU had to threaten to axe them from a third of the world if they didnt comply with USB-C laws.
    • _chu1 3y ago
      As far as I know, laws exist because there are people in the world who are so clueless or twisted they need to be prevented from doing blatantly stupid things that harm others by force, and apparently Apple is so stupid they can't just play fair and respect your right to repair (take it to us so we can overcharge you, you damn well aint fixin it yourself or else youll break it you idiot lol!!!!), or right to own one charger for all your technology (please invest in our outdated charging standard that only made sense back when our competitors used those god-awful micro USB cables with the two teeth of death), or your right to own the headphones you'd like (buy our $150 wireless earbuds that are even more difficult to repair than our phones because headphones that didn't need batteries and were powered by two wires that worked on anything made after the 80's were ACTUALLY polluting the Earth, you could technically use those if you buy our overpriced adapter, but you're literally polluting the planet you psycho!). Their excuses for doing these things make no sense, and either go back to greenwashing, planned obsolescence or walled garden locking. I don't blame folks for buying Apple, the software is great I'm sure (I personally hate it, but I use Windows XP with the classic theme and oldschool WinAmp almost every day so to each their own) and I respect the people who enjoy it, but everybody needs to play by the rules, and when Apple is clearly not with their hardware, f*cking people over and lying about it, maybe we do need laws to keep them in check, because Timmy Apple isn't making me buy an iPhone for my whole family because they won't implement RCS.
  • GoToRO 3y ago
    Apple: make me!
• bombcar 3y ago
  Honestly for me the best part is the USB-C. Every year it's a new camera, new whatever, but USB-C is going to mean I can get rid of all these lightning cables. Not increasing the price is nice, I guess. Will have to buy more USB-C cables, though. (Technically the low highest end phone is higher, but higher spec, too). It comes with one USB-C to USB-C charging cable - not sure if it is a data cable, also. Pre-order Friday, delivery 22 Sept. Probably going to move on it just to get that USB-C, need to see what carrier deals I can find.
  • iguana_lawyer 3y ago
    USB-C means you’ll still have different cables with different speeds for different devices but now they’ll all look the same.
    • tap-snap-or-nap 3y ago
      I don't wish to waste even a single minute of my life thinking about this.
  • throwaway858748 3y ago
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    • newaccount74 3y ago
      It's because only the 15 Pro has the new SoC with USB 3. If we can extrapolate from last years update and this years update, then next year iPhone 16 will get the A17 and also get USB 3.
      • throwaway858748 3y ago
        It doesn't matter what it chip it has. Bottom line is the iPhone doesn't have USB 3.0 which android phones have had for a decade at this point.
  • baq 3y ago
• copperx 3y ago
  I haven't cared about new phones in a while, but the DSLR-like sensor image stabilization looks really cool.
• glogla 3y ago
  > Honestly for me the best part is the USB-C. Some people predicted that new iPhone will be completely portless and allow wireless charging only, just to not having to support USB-C out of spite. I guess we'll need to wait a year or two more.
  • radlad 3y ago
    God, I hope not. For all the "eco-friendliness" they spouted, this would be a step in the wrong direction. I found it amusing that they tried to spin Magsafe as eco-friendly too... because, uh, you can't use leather cases anymore(?)
    • rvnx 3y ago
      Yeah, certainly eco-friendly, if we forget about all the energy losses :)
      • radlad 3y ago
        Exactly!
      • jmye 3y ago
        Energy loss from wireless charging is utterly meaningless. It’s like focusing on the length of your shower instead of agricultural water use.
    • hindsightRegret 3y ago
      The cynic in me knows the real reason for them to be a carbon neutral company is so that you don't feel bad purchasing another one of their phones since it was produced "neutrally".
    • glogla 3y ago
      According to my research (1) wireless charging increases the consumption between 40 and 80 % depending on how well you align the coils. It would be very much Apple move to take something that wastes enormous amount of energy (given the number of people who have iPhones) and claim it is eco-friendly. (1): I looked on Wikipedia for 30 seconds
• RandallBrown 3y ago
  I'll need to buy new AirPods too, unless I want to carry a lightning cable around too. Or just always use wireless charging with them.
  • dylan604 3y ago
    my AirPods came with a USB-C to lightning, so that will still work with the phone to charge on the go
  • ls612 3y ago
    Luckily the newer AirPods cases can charge from an Apple Watch charger so I don’t need to fiddle with cables.
    • wlesieutre 3y ago
      EDIT - disregard this, it's charging with cables only using the iPhone as a battery iPhone 15 will charge your watch and airpods from the back of the phone, so you don't even need to travel with the watch charging cable anymore. Samsung did this already (branded as "PowerShare") so it's the year of iPhone catching up on charging features.
      • reportingsjr 3y ago
        Where have you seen Apple mention this ability? In the presentation they specifically called out being able to charge airpods via iphone _with_ a cable, not wireless charging between airpods and iphone. I am surprised apple hasn't included this ability yet. My pixel 6 pro also has this ability.
        • wlesieutre 3y ago
          Aah good catch, I misinterpreted it that way from the arstechnica liveblog. You can charge them from the phone using a USB C-to-C cable (airpods) or C-to-puck cable for the watch. Not quite as convenient, but still good to have.
• dylan604 3y ago
  I was really hoping Apple would tell the EU FU, and remove the port altogether. Some sort of wireless data only or some new port like magsafe, but for data.
  • smoldesu 3y ago
    What's wrong with having a standard serial port?
    • dmd 3y ago
      The iphone 17, now with a RS-232 DB25 port
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      • smoldesu 3y ago
        Aw look, you're making the old 30-pin charger blush now.
        • rvnx 3y ago
          JTAG is the way to go.
      • Humdeee 3y ago
        We're not stopping until I can plug my phone directly into my stove outlet
        • dmd 3y ago
          nobody's stopping you
        • ruined 3y ago
          apple's chargers are already universal you just have to swap out the plug
• nu11ptr 3y ago
  Dynamic Island, USB-C and camera enhancements make me glad this is my upgrade year (I have a 12). I will probably grab the base Pro model for $200 more due to even better camera though, but I would be pretty happy with the 15 regular as well. I stopped with the big phones a few years ago... the battery bump is nice, but my phone goes everywhere and I prefer the regular size in my hand and pocket.
  • jonplackett 3y ago
    I'm keeping my 12 Pro Max another year. It takes great photos. I never use the port. Dynamic Island is an Emperor's new clothes marketing scam where they've just moved the bezel even more in the way than it was and managed to convince people it's a good thing.
  • mint2 3y ago
    I don’t quite get all the comments that are expressing disappointment- I think the camera and particularly the zoom is a great upgrade versus my 12 pro, and there’s a bunch of other nice to haves. I’ll probably upgrade next year though not this one. Expecting major improvements and new features every year is odd to me. These incremental gains add up over the 3-4 years that I feel is a reasonable minimum phone life.
    • fdsafdsa32va 3y ago
      > Expecting major improvements and new features every year is odd to me. I think that has to do with Apple's own presentation/marketing. They make the announcement into a big thing.
      • mint2 3y ago
        Do people expect Apple to proclaim “our new version has incremental upgrades, only buy if your phone is a couple years out of date”? Product launches are always a lot of theatrics regardless of the company. I don’t think anyone actually takes them any more seriously than a mcdonalds ad implying eating their hamburger will make one more like the cool sports star being paid a million to hold the hamburger.
• fsdjkflsjfsoij 3y ago
  These presentations look like something straight out of some dystopian corporate hellscape fiction.
  • bombcar 3y ago
    I was expecting it to end with "all these presentations were rendered live on the A17 pro, on this iPhone". None of it really seems "real".
  • tenpies 3y ago
    I could feel my social credit score rising with each nod in agreement, as the UN SDG AAA+ rated company, with WEF endorsement, told me how my consumerist lifestyle will not affect the global boiling.
  • baq 3y ago
    These were peaceful. The Vision Pro announcement earlier this year was basically a black mirror episode.
    • rvnx 3y ago
      The dad that was watching videos (or something like that) in his Vision Pro instead of spending time at his kids birthday.
      • scop 3y ago
        That and the lonesome father looking at photos of his (dead?) family in a dark apartment really left a bad impression from me on the headset that I can't shake. I will never "unsee" that. Sure, use it for work...but at home, no way. Baffled that Apple thought would jive well considering how much attention they put into those presos and makes me wonder how much of the headset marketing team is single & childless.
      • astrange 3y ago
        That's accurate dad behavior. Having cellphone cameras was a temporary decrease compared to holding a camcorder or viewfinder camera.
• dylan604 3y ago
  That whole presentation could have been 30 minutes shorter. It's a product announcement not an investors meeting. Show me the products. Make a sustainability PR as a separate piece. Get your name in the news twice. Seems strange
  • gnicholas 3y ago
    No one would watch the "Apple's getting rid of leather" video. And it would have seemed weak if their announcement was half the typical duration, signaling that there's not much new here.
    • dylan604 3y ago
      yes, the entire first 30 minutes felt like vamping
    • noja 3y ago
      Woolnut have leather cases
    • romanovcode 3y ago
      I don't know man. This whole presentation felt weak to me regardless of how long it was.
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  • wilg 3y ago
    Apple is bad at marketing is an interesting new take
    • dylan604 3y ago
      Not every marketing piece is going to hit with all viewers. I'm sure some people felt emotionally affected by the opening piece about people's lives that were saved by their watch. It was just a very strange tone/vibe to open a product announcement. It's like the Sarah Mclachlan SPCA piece. It's not the thing you play when you want to pump someone up. Obviously the entire opening portion was to assuage consumer guilt in buying new about to be discussed. It just didn't sit well with me at all. So yes, in this case, the marketing was bad and failed for this member of the audience.
• post_break 3y ago
  USB 2.0 on the 15 is kind of a joke considering it came out in April of 2000. 60hz, USB 2.0, getting a bit dated. I know a bunch of people will excuse it but at that price I think it's not ideal. Oh and RIP 13 Mini, you'll be my phone until I can't use it anymore I suppose.
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  • dmix 3y ago
    Has the EU legislation factored in the USB-*(D?) might come next? Hopefully it doesn't slow down adoption of new technology. The main downside instead of buying a lightning cable that always work we now have to decipher the 10 minor variations of USB-C's various speeds/power now with zero consistency in naming schemes or amazon titles.
    • post_break 3y ago
      The iPhone is literally the last hold out for USB C. I'm pretty sure every modern Android phone supports USB PD and I think the EU is requiring PD charging as well, but nothing on connectivity speeds.
    • zapnuk 3y ago
      If there is a USB-*, the EU can just update the policy for new devices with a grace period of X years. Problem solved.
    • dzikimarian 3y ago
      EU legislation has review built-in. No way it's going to be slower than switch from lightning. Also from other commenters say Apple implemented USB 2.0, so you don't have to care about type of USB-C cable you're buying - these are for advanced features which as it seems are not present in iPhone 15.
  • whoopdedo 3y ago
    > RIP 13 Mini I wish I had been warned so I could have grabbed one before it was gone.
• user3939382 3y ago
  Do we still care about the health and pay of the laborers in the factories making these things?
  • rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 3y ago
    I don't and I don't think you do too.
• alexalx666 3y ago
  Super sad new OS versions were not released
  • minimaxir 3y ago
    They are always released ~one week after the event. (date appears to be September 18th, so 6 days)
  • diegorbaquero 3y ago
    iOS 17 was already announced earlier this year. Should be released fully this fall.
  • jcrash 3y ago
    You can use ios17 today, it works great
  • layer8 3y ago
    Will be released on 9/18.
• FumblingBear 3y ago
  I know a lot of people are apprehensive about the Apple Vision Pro, but seeing that I'll be able to take Spatial Videos with the iPhone 15 Pro Max was a huge feature for me. I can't see myself ever taking those videos with the headset itself, but if I can do it from my phone and re-watch the videos later, that's a massive QoL improvement imo. That alone makes the upgrade worth it for me since I'm planning on picking up the Vision Pro!
  • rvnx 3y ago
    It's a software thing, so maybe they can just add it to iOS 17 and that's it.
    • jdminhbg 3y ago
      It's software plus cameras, they're stitching together video from various focal lengths. I don't think the non-Pro Max models will ever be able to do it.
      • rvnx 3y ago
        Yes, of course. I meant for iPhone 14 Pro. I wonder if they will release the feature there as well or restrict it artificially.
        • jdminhbg 3y ago
          The 15 Pro Max has more and more different cameras than the 14 Pro does. I don't know whether it would actually work or not.
      • atommclain 3y ago
        Rewatching the event video, it sounds recording spatial videos is supported on both 15 Pro models (time stamp ~1:17:30). I don't see anything on the compare iPhone models page though: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/
  • quitit 3y ago
• renewiltord 3y ago
  These guys are insane. Every year the bloody product looks great (EDIT: not visually/aesthetically, looks like its got great features) and then the next year it somehow is even better. Satellite connectivity is fantastic. I believe T-mobile is bringing some of that too. If we get satellite backup calling or satellite data in the coming years it will be incredible. I think I'll wait another year before I upgrade my iPhone 13 but this is great stuff.
  • dylan604 3y ago
    At the end of everyone is a line "this is the best _____ we've ever made". well, duh. it would be insane to make something worse than the previous version.
    • _23sd 3y ago
      >it would be insane to make something worse than the previous version Well, this is the company that brought us the butterfly keyboard.
    • lesuorac 3y ago
      I think you could sell people on a 50% worse product if it cost 1% the price.
  • robbyking 3y ago
    I'm in the same boat. I was planning on upgrading my iPhone 13, but TBH it's pretty much in perfect shape so it feels wasteful.
    • bombcar 3y ago
      Honestly if it weren't for the USB-C I'd probably just keep on keeping on; but this might be the time to jump from the Xs.
    • renewiltord 3y ago
      Yeah, it feels like it's perfect as a phone. I absolutely love it. I'm actually quite surprised that they take what I think as a perfect product and still add stuff to it. Very impressed by Apple in every way. Great product. Great engineering. Somehow they always dodge the reverse Osborne effect, haha!
• gnicholas 3y ago
  IMO, this was a pretty weak announcement. They spent so long talking about environmental stuff, like getting rid of leather, that it felt like they were trying to pad the presentation to reach a reasonable length. There were a few new things (more optical zoom, slightly smaller bezels), but these were all leaked in advance. I was also disappointed to hear that the satellite stuff is limited to 2 years. Is it going to be yet another subscription after that?
  • kmlx 3y ago
    > They spent so long talking about environmental stuff, like getting rid of leather which reminds me, i need to buy extra leather cases. in any case, this is what happens when you've got nothing to present.
    • gnicholas 3y ago
      They won't fit new iPhones, IIUC. Third parties will still make them, but they won't be available as rapidly as Apple's cases. I'm curious how much they're charging for this 'premium' new FineWoven material, which they pitch as a replacement for leather. Will they price it the same? Will people be willing to pay that much?
      • kmlx 3y ago
        > They won't fit new iPhones no, i'll be buying them for my current iphone.
        • gnicholas 3y ago
          How many leather cases do you go through per phone? I think they just said they're not making any new leather products, not immediately killing all existing ones. I'm sure the sales channels will eventually dry up though.
          • kmlx 3y ago
            > How many leather cases do you go through per phone? one every 3 to 6 months, depends on how long i'm travelling for (as that's when i usually drop/scratch/etc my case the most).
• lprd 3y ago
  I miss Jobs. These prerecorded presentations are soulless and almost embarrassing at times. Happy to see USB-C on the iPhone (thanks EU) and no price hikes.
  • brailsafe 3y ago
    Almost creepily robotic and zuck-like
  • lagrange77 3y ago
    It's interesting that even big money can't buy mojo.
  • sixQuarks 3y ago
    Felt like I was watching a presentation made with AI actors. The long pauses, PR-driven language, it was all so sterile and politically correct. Very cringe.
    • schleck8 3y ago
      I get the sterile feeling part but how did you make the jump to "political correctness"?
      • earthnail 3y ago
        Apple over the last years has made a very conscious effort to have a set of speakers with diverse backgrounds. It’s good in many ways, but also hard to ignore just how obvious that effort is once you realise it’s there. That’s true for all presentations, including the dev talks at WWDC. It is hard for me to push aside the impression that nowadays the speakers - regardless their background - are entirely chosen for optical reasons. My only favourite moment in a recent big presentation was the M1 chip part with Srouji. That guy is not made for the camera but man he lives hardware with every fibre of his soul.
        • schleck8 3y ago
          I think that's fine honestly, if you want to maximize your talent pool you have to motivate the entirety of society to become interested and not just the groups already overrepresented. For example it's not like women are genetically predetermined to lack interest in hardware, that's a social construct.
• jonpurdy 3y ago
  I haven't bought a new iPhone since the 5. I typically would wait a year and buy a used year-old model for half price (with AppleCare). But I didn't do this after the XS, and now with Pro and non-Pro models it's incredibly complex to find the best value since used prices are so dynamic and there are so many models to choose from. Might be time to just buy a new one with USB-C and use it for 5+ years.
  • lozenge 3y ago
    You don't need the best value, you just need sufficient value.
• uf00lme 3y ago
  Am I wrong or is iPhone 15 usb-c is usb2 just with a different connector. Seems to me like only the pro is getting usb3 even though usb3 was first released in like 2008. Update: confirmed in iPhone specs page.
  • ex3ndr 3y ago
    And pro should be usb4
    • uf00lme 3y ago
      It’s no coincidence that Intel just released info on thunderbolt 5 spec yesterday. How much money could it really add to goto the next usb? Is there some kind of hardware design he’ll going on behind the scenes
      • pgeorgi 3y ago
        "USB4" is really thunderbolt 3 with a few compatibility tweaks. As such, it's a very different beast from USB3 (which is much closer to the USBs that preceded it): more like "external PCIe" than "USB".
  • ZekeSulastin 3y ago
    I imagine most people - especially those not using the Pro models - only care about universal charging. I think I’ve connected my iPhone to my PC for data transfer maybe two or three times since I switched ~six years ago, and even on Android I used network shares and such more often than not.
    • uf00lme 3y ago
      I’d agree most people can happily just use WiFi speeds for most tasks, but I’m just shocked that apple would aim to save money or force a product differentiation by using usb2. It’s fairly ancient now.
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• flippy_flops 3y ago
  I am absolutely baffled that Apple (and others) haven't updated their smart assistants with a competitive LLM. With Apple's privacy shtick and their mobile GPU efficiency, I was convinced we'd see something today. What am I missing?
  • justapassenger 3y ago
    It takes a while to roll out fundamental changes to things at that scale.
  • newaccount74 3y ago
    I think Apple missed the boat on LLMs and was surprised by the success of ChatGPT. They are no doubt working on an LLM-based Siri now, but they don't rush things, and they don't preannounce things, so we'll only hear about it once it is ready. And they are probably going to use a different term for marketing it rather than using a generic term like LLM.
    • kemayo 3y ago
      Yeah, it seems plausible that they'll do it eventually, but it'll be "the new improved Siri, powered by the Neural Engine and transformer models".
      • basch 3y ago
        While trying to come up with an Apple buzzword I realized we are not far away from Apple announcing Thought Control.
      • manmal 3y ago
        They better quadruple iPhone RAM for that.
    • Workaccount2 3y ago
      Siri, now powered by Speech Synthesis Engine™.
• fretting2 3y ago
  Bummed at the lack of thunderbolt on the pro
• amelius 3y ago
  The article reads like an ad.
  • speedgoose 3y ago
    Press releases are a good way to advertise your products.
  • sbuk 3y ago
    The 'article' is a press release on a vendor's site. Are you expecting objectivity?
• mettamage 3y ago
  Does anyone have any clue how long I have to wait for a replaceable battery? IIRC the EU has made it happen that tech giants need to conform to this.
  • dmt0 3y ago
    2027 apparently
  • criddell 3y ago
    The batteries are replaceable. If you are talking about having a second battery that you can lug around for when you need it, there are battery cases for this.
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    • Etheryte 3y ago
      When people say replaceable battery they don't mean that a trained technician with specialty tools is able to replace the battery.
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  • ptmcc 3y ago
    The EU rule doesn't necessarily mean swappable like old 90s phones, just that it is "easily" replaceable without glues and specialty tools.
• stephencoyner 3y ago
  I was waiting for “one more thing” to show a new LLM powered Siri. I am disappointed
  • jcrash 3y ago
    Same. Siri is slightly better on ios17 but still isn’t as good as it could be if it used an LLM
  • tomashertus 3y ago
    Siri needs complete revamp. I almost never find her answers and capabilities useful :(
  • mholm 3y ago
    That sounds like more of a software feature that we'd see in a WWDC. I'd expect we'll need to wait till June 2024 to see SiriGPT.
  • gorbypark 3y ago
    Didn’t they announce something of the sorts for the watch? I don’t think it’s a full on LLM but basic things are now using the on device Neural Engine instead of making a connection to the cloud.
  • callalex 3y ago
    LLMs are only one niche of Machine Learning, which Apple is utilizing heavily for audio transcription, search, image and video classification, image2text, video-to-3D-model, on-device search, photography and videography improvements, and more.
  • luxuryballs 3y ago
    disappointed but not surprised, even (the infamous /s) chatGPT isn’t even half-way to Apple quality standards yet and Apple still has to make it useful, not just clever or impressive
    • axman6 3y ago
      Siri is nowhere near Apple quality standards as it is. had a fun experience with Siri the other day where I ended up sending someone the message "I'm just leaving now what the fuck are you doing", because it heard me, and showed absolutely no acknowledgement. Not the sort of message I ever want to send to an ex, but here we are.
• roge7331 3y ago
  Jep, its a black rectangle
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• dang 3y ago
  Related ongoing threads: Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37485271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37485271 Apple ditches the Lightning connector in favor of USB-C after 11 years - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37484897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37484897 (Before the announcement) iPhone 15’s shift to USB-C - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37480508 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37480508
• noja 3y ago
  "Siri what is my blood glucose level?" during the Apple Watch (offline on-device Siri) section was a fake tease.
• mikece 3y ago
  But is Apple going to sell a Lightning to USB-C adapter? What the hell am I going to do with all of my lightning cables???? UPDATE: Okay, that was a tongue-in-cheek comment but Apple is doing the most Apple possible thing: they really are going to sell a $29 (?!) adapter that will allow you to use your Lightning charging cables to charge the new USB-C iPhones: https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/12/apple-usb-c-to-lightning-adapter/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/12/apple-usb-c-to-lightning-adap...
  • ZekeSulastin 3y ago
    The same thing you did ten years ago when they got rid of the 30-pin cable?
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    • jmkni 3y ago
      Ah yes, the drawer!
  • tmn 3y ago
    The same thing you do with all of your lightning interfacing devices?
  • post_break 3y ago
    You can find dozens on amazon that do just that.
  • dan-robertson 3y ago
    I think the adapter is probably more for devices with integrated lighting connectors, eg some kinds of speaker.
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  • mackrevinack 3y ago
    im also wondering if theyll including a charger with the phone this time? their excuse for removing it was that most people had a charger already so it was better for the environment not to include one, but most iphone users only have lightning chargers
• tonymet 3y ago
  usb c is garbage. It may be common, but it has atrocious compatibility. It's less durable than lightning , and hard to plug in. Thank European socialists for imposing a worse product on everyone.
  • weatherlight 3y ago
    Ahh yes, let's blame "Socialists" for this one..
    • lawlessone 3y ago
      It's the kind of thing most people would be delighted to blamed for.
  • tclover 3y ago
    Somebody forces you to buy this phone?
    • tonymet 3y ago
      they forced apple to replace a good connector with a worse one
  • monsieurgaufre 3y ago
    While you may have a point about the durability, i do not think you know/understand the meaning of all the words you used.
    • tonymet 3y ago
      you may have a usb c connector, but there's no way to know what protocol or current it supports.
      • jcrash 3y ago
        True. Thats is pretty annoying. Maybe they should color code them like USB-3 having the blue?
• seeg 3y ago
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• Kipters 3y ago
  USB 2.0 on a 1000$ phone in 2023 is a bad joke. Boring update, both this and the pro but of course it will sell millions.
  • fckgw 3y ago
    The regular iPhone starts at $799
    • lotsofpulp 3y ago
      $829 for everyone not using Verizon. Edit: this is incorrect, iPhone 15 starts at $799 for all.
      • fckgw 3y ago
        It's $799 on all three major carriers and $829 unlocked. It's on the Apple website you can look this stuff up yourself
        • lotsofpulp 3y ago
          I see, Apple is giving the same price for iPhone 15 for all 3 carriers. But if you check 14/13/SE, then if you do not chose Verizon, the price is $30 higher. I bought a 13 mini yesterday morning, which is when I experienced the extra $30, and I assumed it applies to all the iPhones. Apparently, current year iPhones are excluded from the $30 surcharge for non Verizon subscribers. Also, all iPhones sold on apple.com are unlocked, even the $799 ones. Only exception is if you buy with an ATT subsidized contract.
    • SpacePortKnight 3y ago
      That does not include any tax.
      • ezfe 3y ago
        Tax doesn’t apply elsewhere. You can buy an iPhone without paying tax in multiple states.
• ajonit 3y ago
  Only Apple can make people clap and screech for introducing a freaking charging port - USB C. :)
• artursapek 3y ago
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• bilekas 3y ago
  > A huge leap forward for iPhone with a gorgeous new design I do like iPhone, I actually have a personal one and work provide me with one too, I like their security aspects. But can how can they say with a straigh face this is a new design ?
  • jeroenhd 3y ago
    If they don't, an entire team of designers may lose their jobs. It has to be new or refreshing, otherwise what's the point of buying a new one?
    • bilekas 3y ago
      This reminds me of a (maybe bad taste) joke about how UI & UX was perfected a few years back but designers had to keep creating huge Medium articles on their font and logo creations that curved a few pixels from the original.
  • matsemann 3y ago
    And "a huge leap" isn't true just because they repeat it 6(!) times on the page.
  • lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Many people claim they are a few inches taller and 30lbs lighter than they are with a straight face all the time. Claiming a device has a new design when it actually has a few different design elements does not seem like too much of a stretch, for an advertisement.
    • bilekas 3y ago
      > Claiming a device a new design when it actually has a few different design elements does not seem like too much of a stretch, for an advertisement I don't personally see the new design. This is Apple, king of "design" and the designers/creatives go to company (for good reason) but this is not a new design. This is a, moderate at best, alteration. I'm also not saying it has been a bad design, it's just not new, even for them. Maybe it's the advertising world that is tilting me more and more in my later years.
• jmkni 3y ago
  Gutted that the iPhone mini is essentially dead. I don't want a phone any bigger. I'll hang onto my 13 Mini for as long as I can, hopefully they will update the SE to basically be the new Mini.
  • CephalopodMD 3y ago
    Three most baffling thing about it is I see this comment in almost every iphone thread. I know so many people irl who have the same opinion including myself. If there are any Apple execs in this thread: please listen to your customers! We are screaming for a flagship mini!
    • paxys 3y ago
      Apple is listening to its customers – by way of sales data rather than a few comments on a niche techy forum.
    • cromka 3y ago
      They are listening to their sales numbers and the numbers say that customers are, in fact, not interested in Mini.
      • lastofthemojito 3y ago
        I'm on Team Mini as well, but I can see why Apple canned it: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopular-march-quarter/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...
        • jacobp100 3y ago
          The SE also doesn’t do amazingly. The markup on the mini must have been way higher though. Its a shame
      • CephalopodMD 3y ago
        I'd argue the opposite! The segment is a minority, but the need within that segment is strong. It is not a 1 size fits all product, and 2-3% of your customer base might leave if a competitor fulfills that need. For your main revenue generator, that's not insignificant. See the Prego pasta sauce story https://www.enablemarketing.ie/can-business-learn-spaghetti-sauce/ https://www.enablemarketing.ie/can-business-learn-spaghetti-...
• willhackett 3y ago
  Was that it?
• bilsbie 3y ago
  I thought we were getting a better zoom lens? I guess not? I’d really get a lot of use out of 4 or 6x. I also wish they’d stop editing the pictures so much. It’s decided I should have gray hair even though I don’t in real life. Really strange. Oh and it destroys sunset photos. I get completely different colors than I see with my eyes for sunsets.
  • kemayo 3y ago
    There's a better zoom in the Pro Max. 5x. This is consistent with all the rumors, which were all-in on "the biggest Pro is getting the new camera tech".
  • saiya-jin 3y ago
    Apple has bad color balance for quite a few years, it can also manifest like this. People not knowing much about actual photography see it as cool instagrameish tweak, and who generally doesnt like to imitate more successful people they follow (I guess successful happy balanced people who dont need to follow others). I have physical 10x zoom lens on my samsung. Its a massive advantage in almost any situation barring almost total darkness. I take of pictures where subjects are clearly visible and take most of the frame, compared to everybody else with phone who has tiny figures who go to smears when digitally zoomed. If for nothing else, i am not changing the brand, good pics of my kids are simply too valuable to us. If Samsung can do it, I am sure Apple can do it even better. No clue why they dont.
  • rumblerock 3y ago
    I was really surprised when the most disappointing feature of my 14 Pro was the camera. The overprocessing is horrendous in low light, and the constant switching between lenses is annoying when taking everyday photos. It's funny because in contrast to the old perception of Android phones being fiddly and iPhones "just working", Google's camera software has been way more point and shoot since the original Pixel. Sure, it's also hyper-processed, but in my experience it provided a more reliably "good" result across a range of situations. And whereas Pixel software updates just kept delivering better and better photos on the same hardware, I know with this 14 Pro I'm going to be stuck with this out of the box performance until I upgrade in several years. End rant.
• hnburnsy 3y ago
  Am I the only one who dislikes the rounded corners on the iPhone which appear even more pronounced on the 15.
• warthog 3y ago
  Another unnecessarily long event with essentially meaningless long sentences and long pauses to show off the new Iphone, exactly the same one as before, $100 more expensive. I will buy it though. Gotta get rid of my Iphone 7. Time has come
  • fckgw 3y ago
    It's the same price as last year?
• vidoc 3y ago
  Curious what's going on with the stance of presenters? If you look carefully they all stand in a certain way, with a space between their feet that appears to be constant.
  • codeflo 3y ago
    They all have the same coach that tells them it looks energetic. They also all have the same script writer, and they all *emphasize* *words* in the *same* *powerful* *exciting* *way*. I'm old enough to remember that Apple presentations, while being clearly marketing exercises, used to be a lot more organic and flowing.
    • vagab0nd 3y ago
      > I'm old enough to remember that Apple presentations, while being clearly marketing exercises, used to be a lot more organic and flowing. Remember Jobs ordering 4000 Latte to-go from Starbucks?
      • someonehere 3y ago
        I knew the guy who answered the phone at that Starbucks. He worked with my ex there and it was funny hearing the story from his end.
        • panda88888 3y ago
          Now that you said it, you are obligated to share more details! :)
        • postexitus 3y ago
          Go on.
        • tpmx 3y ago
          The voice sounded female. https://youtu.be/bd6dQmN-mPw?t=61 https://youtu.be/bd6dQmN-mPw?t=61
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• bambax 3y ago
  > USB-C is going to mean I can get rid of all these lightning cables Bought a Motorola G6 in 2018 for €199. It takes "fantastic" photos, and came in a "stunning new" (!?) color of black(ish). It's pretty much indestructible, runs Firefox with uBlock Origin, and it's "better for the environment" because every year you don't buy a new phone, the environment is happy. It also has USB-C, and a 3.5 jack.
  • shiftpgdn 3y ago
    Android is notorious for aging out phones much faster than Apple. You could use 8+ year old phones with the latest security updates up until very recently.
    • camhart 3y ago
      I don't know a single person using an 8+ year old phone. I'd guess 99% of the population makes a phone last 2-4 years.
      • croes 3y ago
        But why? It seems the only progress is the camera and the CPU, but for what more CPU speed? The camera?
        • vel0city 3y ago
          Several of the phones I've upgraded from were due to the onboard storage wearing out. A couple were because of water damage, which is less of a concern these days.
        • runamok 3y ago
          For me at least the battery seems to degrade significantly after 2+ years. I have a OnePlus 7t that is 3 years old and I use it heavily almost every day. I should consider wiping it to see if that improves battery life.
      • woodruffw 3y ago
• sneak 3y ago
  "We have removed the Lightning port so now you can plug in your cables which are identified by the lightning bolt icon."
• racl101 3y ago
  Cool. Will be sure to buy in 3 years. I just got a phone last year.
• darklycan51 3y ago
  "A huge leap forward for iPhone with a gorgeous new design" What new design exactly? lol... UBC-C is nice but new design is a stretch...
• m4tthumphrey 3y ago
  I am very disappointed in myself and in their trade in offer. I made the switch from Android to iOS after 15 years or so of being an Android die hard in July, with the intention of considering the 15 as a trade in. They offered me £635 for a 14 Pro Max 256. Less than half what I paid 2 months ago.
  • RockRobotRock 3y ago
    Swappa
  • henry2023 3y ago
    I'd wait until the iPhone 20 if I'd purchased a new phone two months ago.
  • josephg 3y ago
    > They offered me £635 for a 14 Pro Max 256. Sell it on the used market if you think your old model is worth more than that.
• unethical_ban 3y ago
  * USB-C * Nice camera upgrade on the pro (for people who really care about the focal length/etc) * Satellite roadside assist in US * Spatial video looks great. Even if I can't play it back yet, I can begin recording things with it now to render it in the future. I think that's big. * Custom button vs. vibrate toggle: As long as the haptic feedback distinguishes between vibrate and ringer and silent, then it is suitable. I just need to know what setting it's on while it's in my pocket.
  • mholm 3y ago
    Camera upgrade is only for the Pro Max. Looks like the 15 Pro has the same camera system as the 14 Pro
    • unethical_ban 3y ago
      Looking at the pro page on their site, the only diff between pro and promax on the camera is the 5x telephoto.
• Equivalent70 3y ago
  I had heard somewhere that the first batch of a new electronics product (like the iPhone 15 if you pre-order right now) is more likely to have manufacturing defects and other subtle issues. So it is best to wait a few months to buy a new product. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, how long is optimal to wait to have the highest probability of all the kinks being worked out? Like when should I buy the iPhone 15?
  • mrlambchop 3y ago
    I don't think this is true these days and especially not true of this phone release. IIRC, Apple will have made somewhere close to 20k phones before getting anywhere close to mass production and as the ID didn't change that much, the risk is pretty low on there being a long term material issue. If the ID changes next year (just going off manufacturing rumors), I might wait a little, but this year seems like no risk.
  • kstrauser 3y ago
    If you live anywhere near an Apple Store, there's not a great incentive to wait. Everyone seems to have their pet story of that one time Apple didn't replace a thing they thought should be replaced, but generally the in-store employees will swap out a defective device without hassle.
• esotericsean 3y ago
  Curious what other devices people have that use USB-C? The only one I have is my Nintendo Switch. So for me, this is mostly an inconvenience having to get new cables for my phone. I'll miss Lightning.
  • missingcolours 3y ago
    - laptops with USB-C charging (MacBooks) - Android phones (our family collectively has 2 Android phones and 2 iPhones) - iPad - wireless headphones
  • gbear605 3y ago
    My headphones, laptop (MacBook), work laptop (also MacBook), Nintendo Switch, external hard drives, and external battery all use USB-C. None of these were intentional switches for me, just the default option. At this point, my phone is the only cable I have that isn’t USB-C, so this will be super convenient. My partner’s phone (an Android) is already on USB-C, so this will also let us share cables, which is a huge plus.
    • Matl 3y ago
      > laptop (MacBook) The fact that people talk about how integrated the Apple ecosystem is, yet you needed an adapter to connect its phone to its laptop says it all.
      • piperswe 3y ago
        You didn't need an adapter, just a cable. In recent years, that cable came included with the iPhone. And it's the same cable used for charging the phone.
        • mrguyorama 3y ago
          It doesn't matter whether the adapter is stubby or long (like a non-adapting cable), it still cost like $20 for no reason, despite being "such a well integrated ecosystem" When it came to apple, that kind of stuff has always been pure puffery and marketing anyway. "Their hardware is the best" people would say, while their computers sat at 100% fan, choking under the strain of running basic apps with no real cooling, while the user worked around a stuck "C" key and being careful with their inflating battery.
• donatj 3y ago
  I'm honestly pretty excited for the Apple world to learn how hard pocket lint is to get out of a USB-C port.
  • codeflo 3y ago
    Harder than getting it out of a lightning port? Because that's not too easy either.
    • donatj 3y ago
      Much. Most of the USB-C port is full rather than empty making it hard to get anything other than a very thin sewing needle in there. A toothpick is way too thick to fit which seems like an oversight.
  • ericpauley 3y ago
    Not hard at all? USB-C has been consistently simpler for me and I’m far less worried about damaging pins. Pro tip: cut a pointed pick out of the corner of an old credit card. Works great.
    • donatj 3y ago
      Having had both Android and iPhone, I just used a toothpick on my iPhone and it never took more than a couple seconds. I find myself picking my Pixel 6 with a very fine sewing needle for like 15 minutes before my cable will seat properly.
  • robocat 3y ago
    Use wireless charging?
• SirMaster 3y ago
  I understand why they did it. But just my perspective on it, I will have to replace all my lightning cables with usb-c, and the usb-c ecosystem seems like a nightmare to me from what I have seen. This would be my first usb-c device.
  • rootusrootus 3y ago
    This is why the iPhone was nearly the last Apple device to switch to USB-C. Plenty of people will be irritated at having to buy bunch of new cables, and they've been accumulating Lightning cables for a decade. And unlike something like Micro USB, lightning cables don't often wear out. But it is better to finally make the jump. I've never been unhappy with Lightning, but almost everything else I own has now switched to USB-C.
    • rstat1 3y ago
      My brother has an iPad with the Lightning port on it, and has to get new cables every few years because they start fraying and breaking around the bottom of the connector. And he isn't really rough or abusive with these cables either. Where as I still have MicroUSB cables from 10 or 12yrs ago that still look and work like new.
      • kaba0 3y ago
        That sounds like a “your brother problem”. Especially that an often touted negative of lightning cables is that the only movable part is inside the socket, which is harder to replace — so it makes even less sense why they could go wrong. My guess: he is buying cheap Chinese ones that have lower quality and you compare it to some higher quality ones. As many people can vouch for: lighting cables can easily work for many many years without any trouble whatsoever.
        • rstat1 3y ago
          I really don't think it is. It was a problem with the Apple one as well or else he wouldn't keep having to get new ones.
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• 0xakhil 3y ago
  I think the omission of usb3 is because of the reuse the Apple silicon from last year which doesn’t have the builtin usb3 IP. Let’s wait for next year’s non-pro models to see if they are really cheapening out.
• alainv 3y ago
  Are all the display options using PWM now? I’ve been staying with the XR because the XS caused headaches for me. Curious if they’ve gotten their frequency up to a bearable level.
  • twobitshifter 3y ago
    Pro is 120Hz
    • layer8 3y ago
      That has nothing to do with PWM frequency.
      • twobitshifter 3y ago
        Right but might improve headaches.
  • twobitshifter 3y ago
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=qZvmRuB80lY https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=qZvmRuB80lY 14Pro phone looks good at 240 fps. 14 had issues, assuming it will be the same this year
• anonymouse008 3y ago
  Spatial Video in this generation says everything. They want to win Spatial / VR with the ecosystem - it's truly the only way: AppleTV (Spatial Content Specific?), iPhone 15, M(x) Processors for creating / editing. Apple is ready, but I still don't think people want to wear something on their face. That said, I've put myself in timeout over Apple Watch - still wrist naked, but it's inarguable that it's a successful product line.
  • tootie 3y ago
    A few years ago, Apple and Google were in a battle to dominate the AR space and made heavy investments (ARKit and ARCore) that I think have paid close to zero dividends. I'm not sure if any of that work is carrying over this spatial push, but I don't see Google following suit. I think it could be neat, but the addressable market is going to be tiny.
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• thehours 3y ago
  > Available starting on September 18, iCloud+ will offer two new plans: 6TB for $29.99 (U.S.) per month and 12TB for $59.99 (U.S.) per month, providing additional storage to keep files, photos, videos, and more safe, accessible, and easy to share. Interesting to see Apple finally bumping the upper limit on iCloud storage.
• sytelus 3y ago
  This felt like really let down release. I am usually the first one to upgrade iPhone no matter what but this year I felt no attachment to any of these "new" things. Just didn't cared at all. The things I would have cared: - Dual screen - AR/3D photo/video features in phone - Much better battery life - Full satellite communication - OS-wide AI features, massively upgraded Siri, AI-first mobile browser, auto-complete, spell+grammer check, rewrites - Even more AI features: Better reader-mode, PDF mode, maps infused with AI, super-res videos with structure from motion, flower/bird/food/tree/everything ID, so on and on. What's going on with Apple? The 2020s were "Internet in your pocket" and 2030s should be "Super smart AI in your pocket". Apple product managers feel so completely out of touch.
  • jackdeansmith 3y ago
    3D photo/video features did come to the pro phones flower/bird/food/tree/everything ID is in the new OS, it identified a plant genus in one of my photos yesterday. Pretty cool!
  • derekdahmer 3y ago
    Damn give it a minute. All this LMM/GPT stuff just blew up in the last 9 months.
  • unethical_ban 3y ago
    For an apple user on HN, you're expecting them to act like Oneplus. Apple doesn't (usually) do something first, but they often do new things well. LLMs have been mainstream for what, nine months? They aren't going to go all-in on new LLM features that quickly. And if/when they do, it'll just be labelled Siri with new capabilities. Satellite communications is incredible complex, and, I expect, difficult. Hell, for SOS you need to pause and point your phone in a particular direction. The scale just isn't there. Spatial video was announced, which is exactly what you are asking for in bullet two. Like, I don't get what you're saying. By the way, we're in the 2020s now. The 2030s are... ah, six years away.
  • quitit 3y ago
    Hmm, quite a few of the features you've listed are not only in the next iOS, but already in older versions and the current. AR already exists with the lidar-enabled apps, maps is already AR enabled in landscape mode, 3D Video "spatial" recording was announced. AI features such as sentence auto-complete, upgraded spelling and grammar are already announced for iOS 17, due out in a few weeks. AI identification of objects is already present and links through to Siri knowledge for explanations/further information (e.g. what breed of flower, landmark, type of cat is this?)
• andreitp1 3y ago
  Interesting that they allow shortcuts with the new Action button. People will hook it up to ChatGPT and replace Siri for general purpose Q&A.
• KolmogorovComp 3y ago
  Do we have a ball-park of how much is spent on each iPhone iteration? A billion USD?
  • killjoywashere 3y ago
    Like, on the R&D of the iPhone? Wouldn't be surprised if it was a $1B, honestly, I suspect that's a bit low.
• htk 3y ago
  The only big limitation of the Lightning connection for me was video output (limited resolution and compressed signal). I hope the USB-C on the 15 Pro gets rid of this limitation.
• MangoCoffee 3y ago
  I don't see anything exciting about the iphone 15.
• nonane 3y ago
  It also has a built-in AV1 Decoder! This is the first time Apple has indicated they're going to start using AV1!
  • axman6 3y ago
    The video side of things is super interesting - 4k60 ProRes is an absolutely insane amount of data (something like 12GB/s IIRC?), and the addition of ACES really makes it usable for professional work where a larger mirrorless from Sony/Panasonic/Nikon/Canon wouldn't be practical. I also found it very interesting that their pics of this feature were with Davinci Resolve on the screen and not Final cut Pro - I guess when it comes to colour, there's no better tool.
    • Aerbil313 3y ago
      Are you serious on 12 GB/s? Does the memory even have that much bandwidth?
      • StapleHorse 3y ago
        Google says it's 12Gbps
        • Aerbil313 3y ago
          Oh it’s Gbps not GBps.
        • axman6 3y ago
          Oops, yes indeed! Was working from memory and should’ve checked.
• Flatcircle 3y ago
  I wonder if you'll be able to connect a harddrive to the phone via USB-C and send all your photos to your harddrive. (even if the process took a Mac to help facilitate) That'd be the best feature as people have all so many photos and at this point they have to live on the cloud. But whether they admit it or not, the cloud can be buggy and it's very common to lose photos or videos if that's the only place they live.
  • phoenk 3y ago
    Looks like this is supported: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/external-storage-devices-iph95baac91f/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/external-storage-devi...
    • objektif 3y ago
      Wow this is big.
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• nb_key 3y ago
  Zero innovation, miss the Steve Job's days when people were shocked by Apple products. I believe their M chips their most innovative thing in a long time.
  • ChicagoBoy11 3y ago
    I'd have to concur... like at a time where I thought the diminishing marginal returns for CPUs on computers had really kicked in (like, there's only so much speed I need for web browsing), the M1s came along and made me go "holy shit", even while still, in fact, web browsing.
• pzo 3y ago
  Do yourself a favour and just buy a magnetic adapter + cable such as Baseus magnetic zinc [1] You will: - save money to buy new phone (cable costs just ~10$) - it's magnetic so even more convenient to use - magnetic adapter protects connector from dust getting inside or getting broken - you use the same cable with adapters for usb-c, lightning and micro-usb to charge different gadgets (even older airpods pro) - at least baseus cable supports both fast charging (20W) and data transfer (usb 2.0) If cable brakes (at it did brake for me after ~1 year of use) you just buy new one for 10$ instead of new phone for 1000$. Keeping old phone is the most environmentally friendly option. non-pro iphone 15 usb-c is still just 2.0 speed and most likely doesn't support usb-otg [1] https://www.amazon.in/Baseus-Magnetic-Multipurpose-Retractable-Long-Lasting/dp/B09MN1XT9J https://www.amazon.in/Baseus-Magnetic-Multipurpose-Retractab...
  • vorpalhex 3y ago
    I've had (a different brand) of magnetic adapter break devices (it wasn't a cheap one either, it was the most expensive and highest rated at the time). Something about the USB circuitry doesn't like how the magnetic adapters partially connect sometimes. I don't pretend to understand the failure mode but I have a very funky Valve Index controller now.
  • Al-Khwarizmi 3y ago
    So the idea is that you leave the adapter plugged to the phone port at all times and then use the magnetic cable. You need one adapter per device, right? (Sorry if questions are naive, I've never seen one of those).
    • pzo 3y ago
      That's correct - I keep adapter plugged all the time (they are very slim) to my iphone 13 mini (but worked great even with my iphone xs) and another to airpods pro, micro-usb to my logitech mouse, and usb-c to my vape and android phone (I'm mobile dev). I just bought 2x such cables so that I have 2x lightning adapters and bought few to my family as gift so it's easy to share.
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• beebmam 3y ago
  I despise Apple products and I despise Google products, for very different reasons. Can't we get an alternative? Bring back the Windows phone! Or a Blackberry!
  • ponkipo 3y ago
    I still remember my Lumia 820 with warm feelings, Windows Phone was such a nice OS...
    • snazz 3y ago
      I had a Lumia 830 until the bitter end (of security updates—2019 I think) and I agree it was really nice to have a third competitor. But I also got it back out of the drawer the other day and was reminded of how buggy it was, especially after the upgrade to Windows 10 Mobile (on my phone I had a nasty memory leak that made the browser unusable after going a few days without rebooting, and an issue where photos you just took would get deleted if you viewed them immediately after pressing the shutter without waiting a few seconds). I also think you can't print with it, at least not without a third-party app, so AirPrint on the iPhone was very nice for me. Definitely ahead of its time in certain UI concepts, definitely didn't get the attention it deserved to iron out some big defects!
  • gpt5 3y ago
    Unfortunately, you can't launch a phone without an app store, and there are only two options. Hooray to network effects.
    • jbm 3y ago
      I used to feel this way, but I can't remember the last time I installed a new app that I still use. This is much different from when mobile apps were a thing and I would find something delightful every week.
• brotherhoodZero 3y ago
  I may be an odd on out here, but I'm not a fan of the move to USB-C. I don't care about data speeds or charging speeds. I don't even care about durability of the cable as they can be replaced. I care about durability of the charging port on the device and every USB-C device I've ever owned has become "loose" over time. This includes my iPad Mini, so I don't believe Apples has found a solution to this. Meanwhile, I may have had to replace cables for my older iPhone, but those cables are still solidly in place when I insert them.
  • e44858 3y ago
    Did you try new cables? With USB-C the retaining spring is in the cable, so if it gets loose you just need to replace the cable. With Lightning the spring is inside the charge port in the device, so it's a lot more expensive to replace.
  • Arbortheus 3y ago
    Did you ever try scraping the bottom of the USB-C port with a bobby pin? I find over time pocket lint gets squished at the back of the port and stops the cable fitting in as snug. For some reason it seems to be more of a problem with USB-C ports than lightning ports.
    • ars 3y ago
      This! I've fixed so many broken and flaky USB-C ports by simply cleaning the gunk at the bottom. I find that a plastic flossing pick works really well. (I'd be hesitant to use anything metal like a bobby pin.)
      • Solvitieg 3y ago
        Thanks, you guys just fixed my iPhone 12. Which previously required me to awkwardly move the cable to get it to charge With a plastic toothpick I scraped the inside corners. At first nothing came out, but after a few scrapes multiple dust balls emerged. Honestly a surprising amount I plugged it in, "that snap feeling again..." charging sound
• lykahb 3y ago
  Next year breakthrough announcement for iPhone 16: the 3.5mm jack is back.
• brundolf 3y ago
  Some people are probably sad about the mute switch, which is understandable, but I for one am really excited about the action button
• 93po 3y ago
  Frustrated I just got AirPods 6 weeks ago with lightning. Would have been amazing to be entirely USB C for the first time ever with my next iPhone purchase. But that's probably a couple years off, maybe my airpods will be dead by then
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• gdubs 3y ago
  Sad at the cynical comments here regarding Apple's environmental commitments. Does Apple have a tendency to exaggerate? Sure. But this is also the most ambitious set of climate-related adaptations I've heard from a corporation at their scale, and it seems to be deeper than just marketing fluff. How can we expect to change things if even meaningful moves to make improvements are automatically cynically dismissed?
  • makeitdouble 3y ago
    People get burned by the "carbon neutral" bullshit that corporation heralded for so long (this time it's "high quality" credits...perhaps it's actually good, but who knows ? they're still showing forests). And aside from recycling, this whole effort was about "investing in renewable energy projects around the world", so another kind of throwing money at someone who might or might not do something with it. Won't matter to Apple's green message. Now recycling efforts are nothing to sneeze at and are commandable. Ambitious ? I don't know.
  • Wingman4l7 3y ago
    For anyone who works in electronics refurbishing or recycling, it rings extremely hollow as corporate greenwashing, because Apple devices are notoriously and increasingly hard to repair, and getting impossible to reuse due to software interlocks. The best way to be environmentally sound is to prevent the scrapping of already-manufactured devices, and Apple steadfastly stands in the way of this, because a robust used device market would hurt their profit margins.
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• mtillman 3y ago
  Apple, I don’t want a giant phone that I have to carry in my hands. Make another mini version that costs less than $2k and you can have my money. I already have an iPad or several laptops that I can do “big” things on.
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  • AceJohnny2 3y ago
    See, the thing is, the market for that just isn't that big. You're a vocal minority. Apple needs to make phones in big quantities for their economies of scale to function, but the market for small phones is small enough that it only makes sense to produce one every few years. (source: one of their yearly reports, IIRC)
    • mtillman 3y ago
      At nearly 7”, I’m convinced they’re secretly in the purse market.
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  • acl777 3y ago
    I'm with you - I love my 12 mini (and will probably hold on to it as long as I can) This video makes a great point about small phones at scale that changed my mind about demanding small phones from large companies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKe1H5cIVDk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKe1H5cIVDk
  • digbybk 3y ago
    Has the SE gotten bigger? I have an old SE that’s pretty small, I was hoping that when I upgraded I’d still have that option.
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• cloogshicer 3y ago
  Really hope you can map undo/redo to the action button on the Pro. I really wish there was a system-wide undo on iOS. Shake-to-undo doesn't count in my opinion.
• ulkesh 3y ago
  So the only compelling reason to upgrade from the 14 is...USB-C, where people are saying the 15 (non-Pro) runs at USB2 speeds? This was one of the most lackluster Apple launches in recent memory. I long for the day when Apple actually innovated on this product line. Now they're simply treading water and only making good changes when forced to (EU requiring USB-C). I will give credit where it is due for Apple -- the M2 MacBook Air is phenomenal, even as a software engineering platform. The form factor is fantastic, the weight is awesomely light, and it's a true joy to use. Sadly, innovation on macOS is about as bad as the iPhone, but I suppose I'm more okay with that because being my workhorse machine, I want predictable stability more than I want interesting features. Edit>> I love how people are asking "what are you doing with data transfer anyway?" Such deflection of the principle of the issue, but keep on trying as if any answer I'd give would satisfy the question. I adore Apple products, I don't adore a clear stab at yet more greed from the company that has had the top market cap for years now. I'm intelligent enough to see this for what it is, and not simply dismiss corporate greed because some people may not use the device the same way as others. Putting USB3.2 in these phones is possible. Putting Thunderbolt in these phones is possible, though that comes with the Intel complication. The tech exists and has for many years now. They chose not to bother on the lower end phones so they could create yet more divergence between the product lines trying to create FOMO for people so they'll buy the higher end phone.
  • tomaskafka 3y ago
    Imo it's finally offering a bit better image quality than 5 year old 12mpx sensor overprocessed into watercolor. At least I hope, iPhone 13 pro photos become a badly prompted stable diffusion once zoomed a bit.
  • rahkiin 3y ago
    What do you even use usb data transfer for? I have only ever used it for development which was quick enough with Lightning (also usb 2.0)
    • ulkesh 3y ago
      Whatever I please. It's irrelevant what I may use it or not use it for. The point is that the technology now is far past USB 2 (and has been for some time despite Apple's persistence on using Lightning with such slower speeds) and the only reason they have for not putting USB 3 in the 15s (non-Pro) is greed. They were forced by the EU to convert to USB-C, so it looks to me as if they did the absolute minimal amount of work and effort to be any more consumer-friendly than they have to be.
• evolveyourmind 3y ago
  I can't understand why they invest so much in gaming. Gaming on such small devices is too uncomfortable, both for your eyes and your posture. In addition, with cloud gaming you can basically run any PC/Console game on any device provided a good-enough connection (eg. Nvidia NOW, Xbox cloud gaming etc)
  • umeshunni 3y ago
    Mobile gaming is about 10x the size of the PC and console markets.
    • evolveyourmind 3y ago
      Interesting number, but how many are actually that GPU-intensive?
      • dihrbtk 3y ago
        I think a substantial amount at least. Kids and tweens seem to game a lot on mobile, and Fortnite is a GPU-intensive game that runs on mobile.
        • haunter 3y ago
          It's literally not on iOS though
      • makeitdouble 3y ago
        A surprising amount. Genshin and many Gatcha games are GPU intensive, even on such a small screen. It might be because they code very inefficiently, and they might also be doing a ton of crypto and anti-hacking calculations in background, but these games are surprisingly taxing for the phone they're running on.
    • postalrat 3y ago
      And 90% of money spent on mobile is for some sort of virtual item slot machine.
• EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 3y ago
  USB-C - check, 2x optical zoom - check, 2.5k+ pix screen - check. So, basically, Galaxy S10 plus?
  • dmitrygr 3y ago
    With 7 years of software updates, possibly more years of security updates
• charles_f 3y ago
  > A huge leap forward for iPhone Marginal improvement presented as huge leap forward. If only words had to mean something > with a gorgeous new design featuring a durable, color-infused back glass Didn't the iPhone 2 have a back glass? What's durable about a back glass, aluminium doesn't break.
  • layer8 3y ago
    Aluminum unfortunately is incompatible with wireless charging. While I would forgo the latter for the former, Apple seems to think the market won’t. So we're stuck with the glass sandwich. The alternative would be plastic, which Apple doesn't want to do anymore either.
    • postalrat 3y ago
      Plastics are compatible with wireless charging. There are plastics that would hold up much better than glass, are lighter, probably cheaper, just better. Its crazy that people have accepted glass as a "premium" material. It's probably about the worst possible choice.
      • stavros 3y ago
        They've accepted it because it's the worst possible choice. It's bad, so nobody uses it, so it's rare, so it must be premium.
      • okdood64 3y ago
        I thought plastics BAD?
  • lanza 3y ago
    Do people still break their phone screens? I have never used a case even the naughts. My 3gs, 4, few Android phones, 5s were all cracked. But nothing since ~2016 has cracked at all. I haven't stopped dropping my phone or anything. They just don't break anymore.
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• nowooski 3y ago
  It's pretty wild that Apple has held prices down the last few years in the face of elevated inflation. I decided to calculate the inflation-adjusted price of every iPhone ever, and the 15 line are some of the most affordable (in 2023 dollars). Full table and charts are here: https://www.perfectrec.com/posts/iPhone15-price https://www.perfectrec.com/posts/iPhone15-price But the take aways are: - iPhone 15 is cheapest base model since the OG iPhone in 2007 - 15 Plus is cheapest large iPhone ever - 15 Pro is cheapest pro ever (and $250 cheaper than the first Pro model, the iPhone X).
  • seizethecheese 3y ago
    The phones are officially loss leaders for the service businesses.
    • fdsafdsa32va 3y ago
      nope, the phones are very profitable.
      • seizethecheese 3y ago
        Yep, I meant this in spirit, not literally, but looks like I was wrong even in spirit: https://sixcolors.com/post/2023/02/apple-results-and-charts-117-2b-quarter-is-still-a-step-back/ https://sixcolors.com/post/2023/02/apple-results-and-charts-...
    • dev_tty01 3y ago
      Not true. Apple is super disciplined about profit margins. Each business has to be sustainable on its own and each product sells with a hefty margin or is doesn't make the cut.
    • paint 3y ago
      Apple phones are a lot more expensive than android phones of similar specs
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• lawlessone 3y ago
  I think metal cases are overrated. The longest lasting phones I have had have always been plastic. I drop things a lot and the plastic one's just tend to break in ways that don't stop the phone working. Of course plastic has it's own issues with recycling and heat removal etc.
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• SpacePortKnight 3y ago
  iPhone 15 looks better than 15 Pro. I wish the base 15 had a higher refresh rate.
• mattlondon 3y ago
  Finally! At last they adopt USB-C! This has been the only reason I've not been using an iPhone for some time now. I love just having one cable that charges everything (phone, laptop, headphones, tablet, you name it - desk fans, white noise machines, thermometers, cameras etc etc etc)
  • jcrash 3y ago
    Me too. Really like USB-C. My only problem is that I wish it was easier to tell what cables can do what things. Only some of my cables are able to connect to displays/power my laptop
    • jiva 3y ago
      Check out this project https://hackaday.io/project/184810-usb-c-cable-tester https://hackaday.io/project/184810-usb-c-cable-tester
• jgrahamc 3y ago
  I am sad that the Pro is getting rid of the silent button. It is solid and I know when it's activated and I know it won't accidentally be on. Not sure I really need another push button. That silent button was/is a key feature of iPhone for me.
  • mholm 3y ago
    I don't think I've ever intended for the phone to be anything but silent. It's a much better experience for users to be able to remap what the button does, instead of depending on the few users who still depend on ringtones.
    • jgrahamc 3y ago
      Ah. Good point. I guess I can remap this button to something else and basically never use the un-silent mode!
  • r00fus 3y ago
    I kinda feel the same way although I am excited to be able to use the "action" button for other things and just leave the phone muted/silent permanently (as it is currently).
• rcarr 3y ago
  I wasn't going to go Pro but between the borked USB port on the regular models and the better cameras and native Resident Evil on the Pros, I think they got me. Their fucking marketing department is too powerful.
  • jonplackett 3y ago
    Dude just get last year's phone or keep your current one. There's nothing new here. Keep your money.
    • rcarr 3y ago
      I have an iPhone 8 Plus with a cracked screen that is about to reach EOL with updates. I'm updating.
      • jonplackett 3y ago
        Yeah that’s fair! Buy buy buy!
    • zaptrem 3y ago
      I want to run Assassin's Creed Mirage on a phone, that sounds really cool. I've wondered for years why people have to buy all these portable consoles when the iPhones in their pockets already out spec them.
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• 8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y ago
  Is anybody else somewhat underwhelmed by the innovation here? Faster CPU, different colors, new case, better camera, better battery, thinner bezels etc. Same thing we see every.. single.. year.. I'm glad they're taking risks with the Vision Pro, but it feels like the phone has become a highly conservative platform. Maybe this is just the reality of having a product that sells as many units as the iPhone does every single year.
  • asciimov 3y ago
    Apple has ran out of design gas. But to be honest even in the late Jobs/Ive years they were running on fumes with 'thin' being the last hill to climb. I really wish Apple would try a different design aesthetic, such as a move to something warmer and friendlier than the last 20+ years.
    • FPGAhacker 3y ago
      No kidding. Like a circular puck style.
  • knallfrosch 3y ago
    Phones generally are "done." There's no more unidentified use case. Calling, texting, music, camera, internet - those had been around since before the smartphones. "New", as in the last 20 years, are location-based apps (Tinder, Uber), video, and payments (NFC or biometrics + online) There are other phone vendors, but their innovation within the last 5 years also peaks at "higher screen refresh rate" or "in-screen fingerprint reader" (which didn't solve any use case that a backside fingerprint reader couldn't also manage.)
    • intrasight 3y ago
      That phones are "done" has come to be my belief as well. And I think that's a good thing. We'll have small improvements in performance and battery life and cameras - and that's all that I expect at this point. That could change if new sensors are added - artificial nose? spectrometer? Where new innovation will occur is with watches and VR headsets.
• Coryodaniel 3y ago
  Staying with my mini! These phones are too damn big!
• DrNosferatu 3y ago
  The EU should mandate the increase of compulsory warranty from 2 to 5 years. It would help reduce both sweatshops and e-waste.
• blitz_skull 3y ago
  "The most 'pro' iPhone we've ever created" Did they uh... even listen to this?
• arvidkahl 3y ago
  Looking at the A16 chip and the neural engine on it, I am really happy to see machine learning and "AI stuff" moving onto my phone, away from the cloud. I can't wait to see phones becoming a place for _useful_ AI use cases — with the privacy improvements of on-device computation.
  • axman6 3y ago
    This isn't really new for Apple, they've been doing as much AI stuff on device as possible, there isn't really any change with the A16 as far as I'm aware, just more bigger.
• redbell 3y ago
  > The fast and efficient A16 Bionic chip brings proven performance to iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus.. > The iPhone 15 lineup offers convenient new ways to charge… Both models use a USB‑C connector, a universally accepted standard for charging and transferring data Only Apple can do selling like this. It’s clearly that marketing is at its heart or even in its DNA. Only Apple can sell you a brand-new phone with last year’s chip and still convince you that you made a deal. I admit that the A16 is still at the top of the chips but you get the point. Only Apple can bring something years old in the Android phones by making the iPhone supports the universal USB-C and keeps telling you about the benefits it brings to the table. Apparently, Apple was forced by the EU to bring USB-C otherwise, we might not live to see this happening. Anyway, I’m glad they did it.
  • Terretta 3y ago
    They should have removed the charge port completely.
  • gruez 3y ago
    >Only Apple can sell you a brand-new phone with last year’s chip and still convince you that you made a deal. I admit that the A16 is still at the top of the chips but you get the point. 1. You must have not realized that AMD does the same thing. They cover it up better because they rebadge it under a different sku, but it's still "last year's" microarchiecture and lithography process 2. Reusing last year's chip as a lower end model makes a lot of sense. For one, you don't have to design separate chips for mid/high end. As long as it performs well, who cares when it's from? I'd much rather have a 2 year old iphone CPU than next year's midrange snapdragon, for instance.
    • cade 3y ago
      1. "A does the same thing as B. Don't you see how wrong you are?" How does this make B better than A? Your position literally makes no sense, and I am super duper not an Apple apologist.
  • fauigerzigerk 3y ago
    I don't know. This seems like bog standard marketing to me. There's nothing particularly imaginative or special about it.
• dahwolf 3y ago
  The entire announcement is an exercise in masking that they're running out of ideas. Excessive lectures on environmental footprint. Lots of cultural/humanitarian story telling, a pile of non-relatable tech info where they only briefly showed the embarrassing "up to 10% faster", dull/static presenters with their fake excitement. Even the Pro model, typically the only model where they might add some actual features of any significance just to seduce you to pay more, is now nothing more than an "extra bling" model. No fresh new demos of 3rd party developers either. All of this shows the maturity and advanced state of the platform. Here's an idea that would actually impress all of us regarding environmentalism: user-replaceable batteries. As simple as it was 15 years ago. And no, I'm not interested in tech apologies about glue or there not being space. There's space. It's purely a matter of will.
  • Aloha 3y ago
    At some point every product category become functionally feature complete. The price increase signs to me that they expect people to upgrade less often.
  • ryandrake 3y ago
    It's not just the lack of ideas, but the direction they are taking their existing ideas in is just not interesting anymore. One thing I'm kind of having a mini midlife-crisis over is that I'm slowly realizing that I am no longer the target market for tech products. I didn't see anything... anything today that resonated with me. Aren't marketing materials supposed to do that? It's all about things I don't care about, like the camera. Oh boy, more megapixels. Yawn. I don't really even use my phone's camera that much. Dynamic Island notifications? I turn all notifications off to avoid distractions. Display brightness? I'm constantly turning it down because it blinds me at night. Gaming? I have an old Playstation 3 and a nice size TV for that. Carbon neutral? Unpopular opinion but that doesn't even rate as a top-10 driver of my purchasing. As you say, give me a replaceable battery! The marketing all depicts people 20 years younger than me horsing around taking selfies, people who, I suppose, care about things I don't. I didn't even recognize any of the music. I'm a boring, frugal, old white guy, who uses his phone as a tool, not as a lifestyle, and my wallet is apparently not interesting to Apple. Sad to be left behind.
• miguelazo 3y ago
  No Mini again? Pass.
• tibbydudeza 3y ago
  "The fast and efficient A16 Bionic chip brings proven performance to iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus, powering the Dynamic Island, computational photography capabilities, and more. With two high-performance cores that use 20 percent less power and four high-efficiency cores, the 6-core CPU is faster than the previous generation and easily handles intensive tasks while delivering extraordinary battery life. The 5-core GPU has 50 percent more memory bandwidth for smooth graphics when streaming videos and playing games. A new 16-core Neural Engine is capable of nearly 17 trillion operations per second," Even Apple can't resist the numbers geekery - it's just a phone - nothing revolutionary.
• ericzawo 3y ago
  How many lightning cables are going to end up in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch in the next two years?
• cs702 3y ago
  TL;DR: 1. USB-C. Yay! 2. New colors. Apple repeatedly refers to the colors as "stunning," but they look like regular colors to me. 3. Incremental improvements. Pretty much what you expect every year.
• 0xDEF 3y ago
  I think there is a market for an Apple silicon competitor to the Steam Deck and ROG Ally. Apple has proven that performance doesn't have to come at the cost of battery life.
• ukd1 3y ago
  Removing the mute switch for the action button is a step backwards; if I upgrade I'd not be able to feel in my pocket that my phone is on mute.
  • annexrichmond 3y ago
    Wow, this is something I do all the time as well.
  • doctoboggan 3y ago
    They claimed a different haptic feedback for on vs off, so if that's true you will be able to tell the mode you've toggled into by feel.
    • dilap 3y ago
      Current switch you can feel just be position -- don't need to toggle. You can also tell just by visual inspection. "Action button" feels like a gimmick, and I agree, backwards for usability.
    • ukd1 3y ago
      Ya - better that purely visual I guess - yet I'd need to toggle it to tell, unlike now
• padjo 3y ago
  The main thing they talk about is a back glass that I will immediately hide by putting it in a case because I cannot hold on to such slippery devices.
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• mark_l_watson 3y ago
  I was not going to get a new iPhone since I really like the size and shape of my iPhone 11 Pro. However, if the 15’s usb-c interface will drive my Apple Studio Pro XDR monitor, then sold!
• TheAtomic 3y ago
  Is Nvidia about to have an iPhone moment? Nvidia releases an AI-based phone with an assistant you talk to, no other UI necessary. It could remain aware during calls like an available assistant so you can direct it to do follow up tasks, like check calendars, etc. It could completely change the paradigm and disrupt Apple's business model entirely.
  • joshstrange 3y ago
    Nothing in Nvidia’s past even hints at them being able to pull off half of what you wished for and consumers are not interested in an audio-only phone. There are just way too many things that work better with a screen (like pictures or games, also I like to read articles not listen to them). The only think Nvidia has going for them is hardware and CUDA, I don’t even think they are very competent in the software department let alone consumer-facing software.
  • kortilla 3y ago
    Nvidia doesn’t do AI though. They would need a software partner to do the entire OS and software stack.
• Klasiaster 3y ago
  Didn't know that the phone was limited to USB 2.0 transfer before… kind of ridiculous for the high price.
• Simulacra 3y ago
  My iPhone 8 is still working great...
• can16358p 3y ago
  I'm usually excited and have been upgrading every year since 11 Pro Max. This was the most boring, unimpressive iPhone event I've ever seen in my life.
• monological 3y ago
  I feel like this is an epic joke. Except the joke is on all the suckers paying $1k for essentially the same phone, but wow, now with a usb-c port. Please Tim Apple...take my money faster. Even better, please strap it to my head so I can be even more disconnected from other people.
  • jkubicek 3y ago
    How many people are actually paying $1k for "essentially the same phone"? I'm upgrading from a 3 year old iPhone, so everything here is pretty exciting for me.
    • sph 3y ago
      I have a 4 year old phone and I don't see anything worth upgrading. USB-C, yay! But I already have a Lightning cable at home, is that worth hundreds of dollars?
    • monological 3y ago
      Do you really need to upgrade your 3 year old iPhone if you think about it? Those are still quite fast and can do everything you need. To me it seems like a waste, but you do you.
      • jkubicek 3y ago
        Even upgrading from last years phone would be worth it for the ability to record spacial video. I want to start capturing 3D vids as soon as I possibly can.
        • pzo 3y ago
          It's just marketing - there are apps where you can already record spatial video such as record 3d. They didn't mention any improvement to lidar. You can even use any truedepth iphone if you are Ok making 3d video using front camera.
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• grej 3y ago
  Still no TouchID. Boooo!
• dbg31415 3y ago
  I hate the non-live presentations. Just hate them. Who thought adding all the filters and special effects was cool? It just makes it feel cheap. And my god, the people talking don't sound like people at all.
• NotYourLawyer 3y ago
  There sure are a lot of comments here about USB2. I can’t imagine anyone actually giving a shit about it though. Wifi, Bluetooth, airdrop, etc. are all perfectly fine. What are you people plugging your phone in for other than just charging?
  • Terretta 3y ago
    And 90% in our office have never plugged their iPhone in for charging, using MagSafe stands instead.
    • NotYourLawyer 3y ago
      MagSafe stands are convenient, but a good USB-C charger is waaaay faster when you’re in a hurry.
• ant6n 3y ago
  Yes but what about the m3 Macbook?
• laacz 3y ago
  The thing I enjoyed during the presentation was the original iphone on the table in the left side of the screen just before Sribalan Santhanam started to talk about the ray tracing.
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• QuadrupleA 3y ago
  Call me a curmudgeon, but nothing in the last decade or so of smartphone development has sparked the least bit of interest or excitement for me, this included. Battery life maybe? Seems like a matured product category. Which is fine - maybe we just leave them alone and last as long as possible. Or keep churning about notch vs no notch, smallish vs. largeish vs. smallish again, etc.
  • mettamage 3y ago
    The original iPhone SE to the iPhone 12 mini was quite the upgrade for me to be honest.
  • GordonS 3y ago
    I have a 4 year old Xiaomi phone, which had excellent specs at the time of purchase. Now, phones with more impressive benchmark scores and cameras exist... but I'm not into gaming on my phone, and somehow the battery is still great, so it still does everything I need. I just don't see a compelling reason to upgrade.
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  • tootie 3y ago
    Any low-end Android phone is more than capable enough for 99% of daily use for less than half the price and you can get things like extended battery and, of course, USB-C charging. And yet Apple keeps eating into Android's market share. Apple owns their market on the strength of their marketing.
• rdtsc 3y ago
  I like USB-C, but do I want to spend $800 for USB-C? Probably not.
• Reason077 3y ago
  > ”It comes with one USB-C to USB-C charging cable - not sure if it is a data cable, also.” All USB-C cables must support USB 2.0 480 Mbps data transfer, at minimum. There’s no such thing as a USB-C cable that doesn’t support data.
  • c0pium 3y ago
    Of course there are, they’re sold as “privacy” or sometimes “security” cables. To be clear, “juice jacking” is not a thing anymore, but people are still foolishly worried about it so there’s a market. https://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-NA-USB-C-Data-Blocker/dp/B082WDHS22/ https://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-NA-USB-C-Data-Blocker/dp/B08...
    • lukasb 3y ago
      Why is it foolish? Are drivers really well hardened now?
      • lucideer 3y ago
        No, and juice jacking is entirely possible right now. It's just more difficult to do than many other types of hw attack & too costly to deploy in random indiscriminate public ports, making it less than viable for most cases outside of nation-state targeted attacks. Generally speaking any documented cases of juice jacking happening are just red teams doing PoCs.
        • c0pium 3y ago
          Stop repeating unsubstantiated rumors as facts. PoC||GTFO
          • lucideer 3y ago
            BadUSB-C[0] builds upon the original 2014 BadUSB's HID emulation approach but takes advantage of USB 3.x DisplayPort to process video stream to make decisions & validate the success of the HID emulation steps. It's too esoteric & expensive to be viable at any scale, but it's definitely functional. [0] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9474274 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9474274
• branon 3y ago
  If they do an iPhone SE with USB-C, I'll switch to it from Android. Screenshot this.
• thescriptkiddie 3y ago
  no sim slot lmao have fun explaining to your carrier what an esim is
• creativenolo 3y ago
  Hat tip to the designers for coming up with the idea of using USB-C themselves then marketing the benefits /s
• sva_ 3y ago
  So I guess thats a naw for stacked battery tech. Wonder if the S24 will feature it.
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• purplejacket 3y ago
  I'm still rocking the iPhone 6. Thanks though.
• sfinae26 3y ago
  iPhone 15 is ~21% costlier in India (by nominal value) compared to the US, while iPhone 15 Pro is at whopping ~63%.
• ChatGTP 3y ago
  Really sad I bought a 14 with the lightning connector.
• narenst 3y ago
  How does the camera on these new phones with mirrorless cameras at less than $1000 price point? Dedicated cameras have around 20 Megapixels but much larger sensor size - but does it really matter if the most I would do is print them into a photobook?
  • pvg 3y ago
    If you don't fiddle with the phone camera photos much and are happy with them, there's not much difference. A $1k-ish mirrorless is a much more capable camera but it doesn't fit in your pocket and has about as many controls as a nuclear reactor control room.
• sharkjacobs 3y ago
  > So the only compelling reason to upgrade from the 14 is... Your brain has been rotted by product marketing and tech consumer hype fanaticism. If your phone is a year old then the only reasons to buy a new one are - you make a living developing software for that phone - you make a living writing about that phone - you are a hobbyist or enthusiast who loves phones and wants to spend disposable income on them
  • palla89 3y ago
    Thank you, because you just took me on the Planet Earth: I’m using a 14 Pro and I upgraded from a XS and the change was impressing. Now… I was just being victim of the hype :D better save these money!
  • rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y ago
    Well, it's a tool. It's not just a computing environment that runs applications. For people that don't work in software, the biggest change here is the camera upgrades. This thing has 8x optical zoom and can record 3D video. Many people use their phone camera as part of their job, and many more people as part of their hobbies. For some of these people it's worth the cost to upgrade, especially if their current phone is a couple generations behind.
    • FrozenSynapse 3y ago
      - 3D video that can only be played on their 3500$+ device. - camera is marginally improved, no difference from 2-3 years ago when looking at the pictures with the naked eye
  • cactusplant7374 3y ago
    Camera upgrades are worth it if you travel a lot as I do.
    • n0zmer 3y ago
      Buying a real camera was the best travel decision I've made. Everyone thinks phone cameras are just as good until you actually get a decent camera. And they are just as point and click. Seriously, phone travel photos are garbage in comparison.
• DavidSJ 3y ago
  Meanwhile, ever since my upgrade to iOS 16, I'm asked for my passcode every time I attempt an iTunes backup. This is apparently by design, in order to address a security vulnerability: https://imazing.com/blog/ios-backup-passcode-prompt https://imazing.com/blog/ios-backup-passcode-prompt But surely Apple could fix this more properly, however I guess they don't care to support people who make limited use of iCloud.
• andrewstuart 3y ago
  These things cost a huge amount of money. Apple must make an unbelievable profit margin on these phones.
  • rootusrootus 3y ago
    IIRC the BOM cost is around $500. That's just hardware, there's R&D as well. The profit margins are good, but pure software is a lot more lucrative.
• ruined 3y ago
  can i run firefox on it yet
• baby 3y ago
  They are making really really hard not to switch to Android. I was just expecting a folding phone, and have been wanting a folding phone for years. Now Samsung has a mature folding phone that looks like a much better alternative...
  • xutopia 3y ago
    What does a folding phone solve that a non-folding phone doesn't?
    • baby 3y ago
      Bigger screen to read (papers) and watch videos.
  • prepend 3y ago
    Folding phones seem stupid to me. I’ve handled a few in person and I don’t get the advantage of having it fold. I want simple in my phone with fewer things to break. Id rather just have a thinner phone that’s half the size of a screen.
    • baby 3y ago
      Technology advances might seem stupid to some people, but what matters is where people in general put their money in. There’s a reason the fold is Samsung’s flagship phone, and Google just came out with a folding phone. And apple is about to lose me as a customer for more than a decade. I bet I’m not the only one.
      • prepend 3y ago
        We’ll see. I expect that the folding phone percent of the market will be negligible in 5 years. Maybe Samsung and Google finally cracked the smartphone code after 15 years.
        • baby 3y ago
          I’ll be back in 5 years
• agentgumshoe 3y ago
  New iPhone threads make me laugh. I could never imagine replacing a one year old laptop/PC just because it had a new port. Especially if I had a bunch of cables for the old port anyway.
• mrcwinn 3y ago
  I was hoping they would move to SCSI. I understand it would change the dimensions somewhat, but it's ridiculous that in 2023 I cannot connect my iPhone to my Quadra 800.
  • CharlesW 3y ago
    And act as an active terminator too, none of this passive crap!
  • NoPicklez 3y ago
    Then we could daisy chain multiple iPhones into the one connector for charging!
  • Waterluvian 3y ago
    Yeah but you just know that to cut costs they won’t include a SCSI terminator.
  • thehappypm 3y ago
    Me I was hoping to switch to FireWire, because it sounds so awesome.
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• bmitc 3y ago
  > A huge leap forward for iPhone with a gorgeous new design The reality distortion field Apple projects is always impressive.
  • anonporridge 3y ago
    I wonder if they realize yet how many people are laughing at them. Apple is rapidly becoming low status as a critical mass of people catch on to their game.
    • HKH2 3y ago
      I wish I could be that optimistic.
    • amf12 3y ago
      Looking at the threads on HN and outside, no. People are looking forward to upgrade their iPhone 14s for the "new features".
      • hajile 3y ago
        I’m thinking of upgrading from my iPhone 12. Lower power 5g, variable refresh, much better camera, moving from 7nm to 3nm, new GPU designed so they finally don’t suck at gaming, AVI hardware decoder, USB C, better battery life, smaller notch, etc. They’ve hit a lot of my upgrade points with this phone.
• _8j50 3y ago
  Why does everyone like usb-c? It is inferior to lightning. With usb-c, the connector on the device can break or come loose (male), with lightning the male connector is on the cable, so easier to replace and maintain long term!
• ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  Too big, and a return to the asinine glass back. No Touch ID. At least they didn't go back to the rounded edges, which some rumors claimed they would.
• jader201 3y ago
  I am a satisfied owner of an iPhone 14 Pro Max, and every phone I’ve owned since the iPhone 3GS has been an iPhone. I don’t see this changing anytime soon. Having said that: The Dynamic Island has to be one of the biggest cons any large company has pulled off in a while, and I’m surprised that a) Apple is continuing to double down on it (it’s the second listed “feature” at the top of the linked article), and b) people still buy that it’s a good feature. I’ve said this since they announced it for the 14, but it’s a gimmick that Apple is trying to tout as a selling point to cover up their inability to reasonably get rid of the notch. It doesn’t functionally do anything that they couldn’t do without the notch, yet the notch still gets in the way of many apps/UIs. Yet I still see many Apple apologists coming to its defense. The notch isn’t the end of the world, and the Dynamic Island is an ok “make the best of the notch” in lieu of getting rid of it, but touting it as a selling point is a bit deceptive (to put it nicely), and unfortunately, people continue to fall for it.
  • froggertoaster 3y ago
    Completely agree. In terms of the mental gymnastics that Apple fanboys sometimes go through, dynamic island has been the biggest head-scratcher for me in terms of their willingness to defend it.
  • einichi 3y ago
    If it's between the dynamic island and high quality sensors, I will happily accept them keeping a notch. It makes sense they'd try to make it a selling point, as it is somewhat unique to iPhone in how they've really leaned into making the most of it.
    • jader201 3y ago
      > It makes sense they'd try to make it a selling point To an extent, but not this extent (i.e. the second listed feature in its second generation). Among the things I care about the iPhone featuring, this is probably somewhere between #20 and #50. And it’s not even that much better than just showing this information to either side of the notch, or somewhere below it (in other words, what they used to do since the notch was introduced). I see the DI maybe once or twice a day, if that, for a second or two. Again, it’s fine as an alternative, but it’s not the selling point they and DI apologists are making it to be.
• mrb 3y ago
  How much RAM do the devices have ? Why is Apple still mum on that basic hardware spec ? Weird.
• pbkrewind 3y ago
  Some commenters are praising the USB-C port, so it's worth noting that this change is because of EU regulations. Government decision makers are often [edit: Not] qualified to make good technical decisions, but sometimes they do. Or they get lucky.
  • ggm 3y ago
    It was a no-brainer. It should have happened years ago. I like lightning. I liked firewire too. It's always kept too long, when its a lock-in. They had to be made to. Now, lets hope no more new happens in the form factor and cable basics for a while.
    • pbkrewind 3y ago
      I'm old enough to remember when USB was promoted as the end of cable madness :). The idea was that you would have one cable from your computer, and all devices would be chained. Life would be so simple. Instead we have several USB cables, plus HDMI and DP, and lightning, and probably some I've forgotten. Thankfully we lost the enormous parallel ports. Although many EU televisions still use something equally bulky.
      • ggm 3y ago
        But we have now reconverged on USB-C as a form factor which has inside it TBird and other things. I regard this as a net win, but it took too long.
    • bern4444 3y ago
      Apple promised in 2012 that it would support lightning for 10 years - yes the EU helped push them to USB-C but they had a good reason for not doing so before 2022. And it kinda worked out perfectly, in the 11th year they switched, right after they had met their promise.
      • ggm 3y ago
        They made the commitment, nobody made them do it. I dont think they needed to promote a 10 year horizon, they should have cooperated more strongly in the USB=C spec and not made stupid commitments
• 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
  Apple shares fell 1.71% after the announcement of iPhone 15 and 15 Plus https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/aapl?p=aapl https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/aapl?p=aapl The broader market rose. Advertising/hype-driven "tech" falls, real economy rises.
  • internet2000 3y ago
    Apple stock always falls after keynotes. "Buy the rumor, sell the news"
  • 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
    Computer prices should continue to fall as they have since the 1980's. Only Apple raises prices to prop up a business that has come to rely on irrational, cult-like behaviour. Pretending to be ecologically-focused while at the same time trying to get people to "upgrade" is the height of hypocrisy. Back in the day Apple hardware was high quality and, IME, built to last. Today, the company is focused on convincing people to dispose of working computers and generate more electronic waste. The stock price dropped more after this iPhone annoucement than it has after any iPhone announcement in the past.
• e-clinton 3y ago
  USB-C means I can finally get rid of all these perfectly working cables. Anyone have the address for parliament?
• nnx 3y ago
  I would have much preferred getting one more USB-C port on recent Macbooks instead of the MagSafe revival.
• dclaw 3y ago
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• pipeline_peak 3y ago
  Yep, play it safe Apple. Pretty colors, more mega pixels, top widget bar thing zzz… Phones have peaked just like desktops did long ago. Onto the next thing already Jesus Christ! They are the IBM that Jobs used to scoff at, big and stagnant. Unlike IBM they may be commercially thriving, but it’s clearly the end of ambition for this dinosaur. They’re well set in 2007.
• mlindner 3y ago
  I'm sad to see lightning go away. It has auto centering edges, unlike USB-C, which makes it much easier to plug it in by feel. USB-C could have adopted a connector like the lightning plug, but no they insisted on wanting small thin pieces of curved metal that could be crushed when you stepped on it (which I have done with USB-C cables).
• biggc 3y ago
  With another satellite communication feature, how close are we until an iPhone can replace a Garmin InReach or similar device for most people.
• xyst 3y ago
  Quite possibly one of the most disappointing iPhone releases.
• throwaway290 3y ago
  All of my lightning to USB-C cables break at USB-C side, never Lightning side. I have so far 2 USB-C ports in various Apple laptops that stopped working and need repair. I am not enthusiastic about this change.
• fieldcny 3y ago
  This is honestly the saddest thing I’ve read in years, maybe even decades. Tech is such an shitty abyss right now, ten years ago people got excited because of truly revolutionary features , like cameras that were better than $1000 digital cameras, 4G that made the internet not just usable but fast biometrics that actually worked, on a phone, in your pocket, like holy fuck that was mind blowing. We’ve gone so far down the hole that you are like fuck it I’m gonna buy it because of the god damn charging cable, and it’s not even something like the charging cable is crazy awesome and charges your phone instantly, it’s that it’s now just the generic port that everything from moms vibrator to your laptop to every other god damn phone on the planet uses. And this absurdly mundane and completely valueless “update” has moved you to take a perfectly good $1000 plus phone and junk it to buy a brand new $1000+ phone, just so it can share a charging cord with a used vibrator?!?! And this, this is the best that one of the most innovative companies in a generation, which generated profits that make the rockefellers and gettys look poor, can do. No wonder everyone’s so in love with chat GPT, we are awed by our absolutely stunning mediocrity.
  • whywhywhywhy 3y ago
    Imagine how the timeline feels where Apple wasn't forced to change the port.
    • worthless-trash 3y ago
      Exactly like this, just with a lightning port.. weee
  • komali2 3y ago
    Makes me think of the Foundation series, and the late stage of the Galactic Empire, when science and culture both were stagnated. Cool new iphone feature: USBC! Cool new movie: It has Ironman and Spiderman in it!
    • lotsofpulp 3y ago
      Makes me think of entitled people who expect magical R&D to materialize out of thin air and land in their lap per an arbitrary unit of time of 1 calendar year.
• peterchane 3y ago
  the feature I want the most on a new iPhone is a better flashlight. Brighter and a more directional beam.
• kwar13 3y ago
  USBC is a golden example of "good" regulation. Thank you EU!
  • azinman2 3y ago
    And with it goes millions of cables to the landfill
    • WA 3y ago
      And without it, billions more are created that can only be used on one kind of device.
      • azinman2 3y ago
        Technically more than one kind of device, and that device happens to number in the billions, with that many cables already existing in the world for about a decade now. Do you think USB-C will be around forever? Hint: it won’t. And then all those cables will go to waste.
        • xhruso00 3y ago
          At least I don't have to carry Lightning cable and can just borrow a friends cable if I forget. And next time you try to backup 256GB iPhone with no iCloud Photos - good luck with this painful experience on a premium product.
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        • arsome 3y ago
          > Do you think USB-C will be around forever? At this stage it's genuinely hard to envision something replacing it - they're pulling 40gbit over this connector, running full pcie, displayport, etc. Most devices including these new phones are still using USB 2 speeds because it's good enough.
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  • axman6 3y ago
    The only thing worse than Apple fanboys is anti-Apple fanboys projecting. No one is going to claim this. The fact the Pro gets 10Gbit USB 3 _is_ interesting (particularly for anyone using the phone for video), but certainly not revolutionary or genius.
    • atoav 3y ago
      I am not an anti-apple fanboy (I own enough of them to qualify). I am an electrical engineer who had experience with apple fanboys in the past, when explaining why I think a switch to USB-C would be good. Back then people were grasping for straws to explain why apple is right to keep lightning, now that apple has made the switch the very same people will now praise the decision they argued against a few months prior. It is fascinating how people will convince themselves of things if they want to be true. And a cautionary tale, I wouldn't exlude myself from falling for similar thinking in other situations.
• tw1984 3y ago
  Another good example of resting and vesting. When you have million of $ RSU in your account, why bother getting new & cool stuff on the market.
• hrithwikbha 3y ago
  I own a Mi 10 (Curved Screen with 865 Snap, Really good camera and 90hZ) How do I convince myself to buy an iPhone ? - Does it have fast charging - Can I sideload apps like I do on Android - Does it have 90HZ ? Fuck no. My 3 year old phone is better than iPhone 15 expect the video recording lol What value does iPhone 15 give me that I need to think about upgrading instead of just paying 20$ and getting my phone battery replaced
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  • ghosty141 3y ago
    The value is iOS. If you dont care about its features then yeah stick with your mi 10. Phones have gotten to a point where the only reason to upgrade is lack of software support in my opinion.
  • riwsky 3y ago
    iPhones have had fast charging for half a decade: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208137 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208137 The iPhones 15 pro have 120hz, as did the iPhones 14 pro. You don't seem to've tried very hard to convince yourself.
  • Ayesh 3y ago
    As a Xiaomi user, the iOS update lifetime and frequency is not even close to the Android and Android Security updates Xiaomi phones get.
• redocneknurd 3y ago
  Putting the usb-c aside, I think the iPhone 15 is quite a nice upgrade, at least coming from a 13 pro. I’m mostly interested in camera features since it has replaced my DSLR camera. Nice look as well with rounded corners. The pro looks like something from the 90s but I really like it (I’m from the 80s).
• apatheticonion 3y ago
  If the iPhone or iPhone Pro could be connected to a USB-C dock with a keyboard, mouse and external monitor (or two) and display full fat MacOS; It would be the most impressive mobile device ever created. I could imagine companies issuing iPhones with MDM and corporate credentials preconfigured. As a developer, that would be a pretty cool workflow. I already ssh into a remote box to get faster development performance (even from my M1) - a powerful mobile device that could be used as a thin client would be crazy cool.
  • menshiki 3y ago
    >display full fat MacOS That will never happen. iPadOS though... You never know.
  • midasz 3y ago
    Always thought we'd go the way of our phones being thin clients - doesn't even need to be powerful right? I previously did development work on a VDI which ran on some cloud. Expected it to be laggy but it worked perfectly.
  • knallfrosch 3y ago
    That's what we always hear, and it just never happens. For developers that cost the company upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, it just doesn't matter whether you issue them a $1,000 iPhone and a $2,000 PC, or a top-of-the-line $2,000 phone. We already have thin client solutions, and virtual machines, and remote development and, and, and...
  • FrozenSynapse 3y ago
    Kind of what DeX does for Samsung.
    • arnon 3y ago
      I love Dex. All workplaces have a USB-C hub that powers everything, and it just means I can skip the laptop. Slack, Chrome/Firefox, Miro, Zoom - it's all there.
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• SLWW 3y ago
  Why is it that I can't get an iphone 15 mini with 1TB of storage? It's like, right there, so close.
• xhruso00 3y ago
  Why do people think iPhone 15 doesn't support USB 3.0 speeds (HW capable)? iPad Mini has A15 Bionic chip which is USB-C 3.1 Gen 1 (up to 5 Gbps). From: https://www.apple.com/my/ipad-mini/specs/ https://www.apple.com/my/ipad-mini/specs/
  • flumpcakes 3y ago
    The specs on apple website list USB 2.0
    • xhruso00 3y ago
      HW is capable but people have opinion that the HW is not capable. Do you have a reason why Apple restricts USB 3.0 speeds?
      • dannyw 3y ago
        The USB-C chip itself is cheaper and not compatible. A SoC or CPU can support 512GB of RAM for example, but you won't get 512GB of RAM unless you have 512GB of RAM.
        • xhruso00 3y ago
          USB-C port needs to have controller. On video they clearly showed that A17 USB-C is SoC (on a chip). Are you implying that A15 doesn't have USB-C controller SoC?
• lucian123 3y ago
  I finally got USB-C. It's so damn awesome
• romanovcode 3y ago
  This whole Apple presentation could be an email. Really there is nothing worthwhile showing, which is OK by the way. However making it a full blown 1h video felt weird for Apple. Literally best feature they released is USB-C which they only did because of EU regulations to begin with.
• deliriumchn 3y ago
  60hz and usb 2.0 in phone priced 800+ in 2023 is funny
• chakintosh 3y ago
  The only noteworthy thing about this is the USB-C cable, and even then, Apple being Apple, they capped it for iPhone 14 at USB 2 speeds, and USB 3 for the Pro.
• truculent 3y ago
  With such meaningless differentiation between the base and pro models, it’s a shame they didn’t simplify and merge the lines back together again
  • pxeger1 3y ago
    It seems like their strategy the last few years has been to pretty much just downgrade last year's Pro model to be this year's non-pro. The only differences between the 14 Pro and the 15 are: - no telephoto lens - USB-C - smaller battery - new GPS and Ultra-wideband chips
• bythckr 3y ago
  I don't get the logic of removing the mute toggle switch. It is very convenient to put the phone in silent. Didn't have to open the phone. Plus it was easy to check if the phone was silent by just looking for the orange marker. They should have first turned the volume buttons to action button. I dont use the volume button.
  • alkibiades 3y ago
    i’ve never taken my phone off mute except by accident
  • themeiguoren 3y ago
    I’ve literally never taken my phone off mute. I think fewer and fewer people are using the ringer and it doesn’t make much sense to dedicate one of only 4 buttons on the device to it.
• mwexler 3y ago
  In my opinion, this was the most yawn-inducing Apple event yet, and I thought last year's couldn't be topped. Is all this this really the best we can create? A shared port standard, a button, a yet-again better camera? Anything else? No new touch surfaces, haptics, sensors; no new hardware capabilities other than yet-again faster chip. Software enhancements are magical, no argument. But this is the chance for Apple to show why their hardware is unique. Others play with form (fold! twist! spindle!) or maybe design, but Apple chose this time to make the big lead be the port they were forced to use. I was disappointed. But perhaps my expectations are reality-distorted still.
  • markstos 3y ago
    What more did you want the phone to do, and what did you want to pay for it?
• fht 3y ago
  I get that the mini didn't sell well. But a refresh every few years would be nice.
• pcvarmint 3y ago
  Except for the camera and USB-C, it's not much better than an iPhone 13 Pro Max. With the greater MP camera, you'd expect a 1 TB storage option.