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ChatGPT Plugins

1875 points by bryanh 4y ago

sourcecodeplz 4y ago
so live data is coming.
- saliagato 4y ago
  Information retrieval to the prompt
danpalmer 4y ago
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Filligree 4y ago
For anyone who merely skimmed the article, “plugins” are what tend to be called “tools”, e.g. hooking a calculator up to the AI. Bing already demonstrated the capability, but this is a more diverse set than just a search engine.
petilon 4y ago
With Wolfram plugin ChatGPT is going to become a Math genius. OpenAI is moving fast to make sure their first-mover advantage doesn't go to waste.
- DustinBrett 4y ago
  I feel like people with smart AI's would have an advantage in making smart decisions. Probably at this point they discuss business strategy with some version of it.
- mk_stjames 4y ago
  I was drawn to the Wolfram logo blurb as well. It is funny because within days of ChatGPT making waves you had Stephen Wolfram writing 20,000-word blog posts about how LLM's could benefit from a Wolfram-Language/Wolfram Alpha API call to augment their capabilities. On one hand I'm sure he will love to see people use their paid Wolfram Language server endpoints coupled to OpenAI's latest juggernaut. On the other, I'm sure he's wondering about what things would have looked like if his company would have been focused on this wave of AI from the start...
  - wilg 4y ago
    I'm very excited for GPT to summarize Stephen Wolfram's writing.
  - goldbattle 4y ago
    This too is one of the most interesting integration to me. Allows for getting logical deduction from an external source (e.g. wolfram alpha), which can be interacted with via the natural language interface. (e.g. https://content.wolfram.com/uploads/sites/43/2023/03/sw032423imgUniversities.png https://content.wolfram.com/uploads/sites/43/2023/03/sw03242...) For those interested the original Stephen Wolfram post: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/01/wolframalpha-as-the-way-to-bring-computational-knowledge-superpowers-to-chatgpt/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/01/wolframalpha-as-... And the release post of their plugin: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its...
- Pigalowda 4y ago
  I guess I'm a bit vindicated from my prediction 40 days ago! "GPT needs a thalamus to repackage and send the math queries to Wolfram" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34747990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34747990
  - random_cynic 4y ago
    Stephen Wolfram himself thought that Wolfram could be combined with GPT when ChatGPT was released like 4 months ago. Only due to that they worked together to build the plugin. He also authored the best article I've seen on how ChatGPT and more broadly LLMs work (that has now been turned into a book).
    - petilon 4y ago
      There's a book? Where's the book?
      - random_cynic 4y ago
        https://a.co/d/9HasuKR https://a.co/d/9HasuKR
- stevenhuang 4y ago
  more accurately, chatgpt is already quite good at mathematical concepts, it just has difficulty with arithmetic due to tokenization limitations: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qy5dF7bQcFjSKaW58/bad-at-arithmetic-promising-at-math https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qy5dF7bQcFjSKaW58/bad-at-ari...
- seydor 4y ago
  Why cant Wolfram train a rudimentary chat model in their own search box. it doesn't even need to be very knowledgeable, just know how to map questions to mathematica
kacperlukawski 4y ago
That's a game-changer! It seems like factuality issues with ChatGPT might be fixed. We wrote a blog post on how to get started with a custom plugin: https://qdrant.tech/articles/chatgpt-plugin/ https://qdrant.tech/articles/chatgpt-plugin/
- snickerbockers 4y ago
  >It seems like factuality issues with ChatGPT might be fixed. Is that really possible to fix that just from a plug-in? All it has to do is admit when it doesn't have the answer, and yet it won't even do that. This leads me to think that ChatGPT doesn't even know when it's lying, so i can't imagine how a plug-in will fix that.
  - kacperlukawski 4y ago
    The fact that the model does not have to rely on its internal knowledge anymore but can communicate literally with any external system makes me feel it may significantly reduce the hallucination.
    - majormajor 4y ago
      If it was easy to simply verify truth "with any external system" then would we even need a language model? E.g. if you could just ask [THING] for the true answer, or verify an answer trivially with it... just ask it directly! I ran into this issue with some software documentation just this morning - the answer was helpful but completely wrong in some intermediate steps - but short of a plugin that literally controlled or cloned a similar dev environment to mine that it would take over, it wouldn't be able to tell that the intermediate result was different than it claimed.
      - vidarh 4y ago
        ChatGPT is already pretty good at "admitting" it's wrong when it's given the actual facts, so it does seem likely that providing it with a way to e.g. look up trusted sources and ask it to take those sources into consideration might improve things.
DustinBrett 4y ago
This seems quite big actually. Ability to "browse" the internet and run code. Now I need to find a use case so I can sign up to the waiting list.
- gumballindie 4y ago
  A browser extension that lets openai scan your bookmarks then you can search against their content.
- kzrdude 4y ago
  The browse thing seems exactly like the Bing chat functionality, so that one is at least already available.
marban 4y ago
Smart way to remain the funnel owner. Let everyone build a plugin, before they integrate your product into theirs.
- fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
  OpenAI is crushing it in terms of product strategy
  - BonoboIO 4y ago
    Well, of course. They are led by GPT4 and their CEO is just a Text To Speech Interface ;-)
    - bitL 4y ago
      Embedding to Speech interface ;-)
    - ignoramous 4y ago
      It's in the surname: alt man.
      - BonoboIO 4y ago
        Secret Messages
- saliagato 4y ago
  Well that’s a win-win situation
- alfor 4y ago
  They have a window of less than 6 month to create a monopoly before their tech get commoditized. The play is well know: create a marketplace with customers and vendors like Amazon, Facebook, Google. But with GPT-4 training finished last summer they had plenty of time for strategy.
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throwPlz 4y ago
Klarna's FOMO immediately shows the priorities of the clowns at the helm I see...
throwaway138380 4y ago
Let's hope the plugin integrations don't also suffer from the cross-account leaking issue that they had recently with chat histories[1], since the stakes are now significantly higher. 1. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65047304 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65047304
- deleted 4y ago
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davidmurphy 4y ago
extremely useful. Wow!
rvz 4y ago
'Extend' (and lock in) with Plugins to suffocate competitors. Another sign of Microsoft actually running the show with their newly acquired AI division.
- pc86 4y ago
  What else would a plugin do?
mmq 4y ago
They will probably have the full suite of Langchain features
samfriedman 4y ago
This is huge, essentially adding what people have been building with LangChain Tools into the core product. The browser and file-upload/interpretation plugins are great, but I think the real game changer is retrieval over arbitrary documents/filesystem: https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin
- gk1 4y ago
  100% agree. All the launch-partner apps (Kayak, OpenTable, etc) are there to grab attention but this plugin is the real big deal. It's going to let developers build their own plugins for ChatGPT that do what they want and access their company data. (See discussion from just a few hours ago about the importance of internal data and search: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35273406#35275826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35273406#35275826) We (Pinecone) are super glad to be a part of this plugin!
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mikeknoop 4y ago
(Zapier cofounder) Super excited for this. Tool use for LLMs goes way beyond just search. Zapier is a launch partner here -- you can access any of the 5k+ apps / 20k+ actions on Zapier directly from within ChatGPT. We are eager to see how folks leverage this composability. Some new example capabilities are retrieving data from any app, draft and send messages/emails, and complex multi step reasoning like look up data or create if doesn't exist. Some demos here: https://twitter.com/mikeknoop/status/1638949805862047744 https://twitter.com/mikeknoop/status/1638949805862047744 (Also our plugin uses the same free public API we announced yesterday, so devs can add this same capability into your own products: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35263542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35263542)
- sharemywin 4y ago
  The problem with Zapier is zaps are to expensive at scale.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Well, that and you trust Zapier with a lot of stuff.
  - tbrock 4y ago
    And Zapier are unwilling to work with you to reduce that cost even at a scale of 1 billion requests per month.
    - WadeF 4y ago
      Email your use case: wade at zapier dot com. Happy to take a look.
      - tbrock 4y ago
        Too late, we spoke with someone on the team three years ago who told us he couldn’t help and we’ve moved on.
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v4dok 4y ago
bye bye jupyter notebooks. This is big.
- baq 4y ago
  absolutely... not. !pip install jupyter-chatgpt !chatgpt make me a notebook with this dataframe with such and such plots > here you are
smy20011 4y ago
It seems that OAI have their preference of choosing the first movers of their ecosystem.
kenjackson 4y ago
The rate of improvement with GPT has been staggering. In just January I spent a lot of time working with the API and almost everything I've done has been made easier over the past two months. They're really building a platform. Curious to see where this goes over the next couple of years.
- mariojv 4y ago
  I agree. Part of me wonders how much they're using GPT to improve itself.
  - MagicMoonlight 4y ago
    When we were first breaking it people were wondering if the developers were sitting in threads looking for new exploits to block. Now I’m wondering if the system has been modifying itself to fix exploits…
    - int_19h 4y ago
      It does actually work. For some of the experiments I did with GPT-4, it made some mistakes because my initial prompt wasn't sufficiently precise. After discussing its mistakes with it, I asked it to write a better prompt that would prevent them. Sure enough, it did just that.
- pcurve 4y ago
  I just got access to Bard. I would hate to be Google leaders at the moment.
  - revelio 4y ago
    It's incredible how Google started ahead and then shot themselves repeatedly in the face by granting so much internal power to dubious AI "ethicists". Whilst those guys were publicly Twitter-slapping each other, OpenAI were putting in place the foundations for this.
antimora 4y ago
Alexa, goodbye =) That was the whole thing about Alexa: NLP front end routed to computational backend.
- andrewmunsell 4y ago
  I think Alexa is in huge danger here. Siri & Google have some advantage being pre-installed voice assistants that can be natively triggered from mobile, but I actually have to buy into the Alexa ecosystem. Personally, I have found Alexa has just become a dumb timer that I have to yell at because it doesn't have any real smarts. Why would I buy into that ecosystem if a vastly more coherent, ChatGPT-based assistant exists that can search the web, trigger my automations, and book reservations? If ChatGPT ends up with a more hands-off interface (e.g. voice), I don't think Alexa has a chance.
- siva7 4y ago
  Alexa is dead. It's basically yesterdays tech.
  - kzrdude 4y ago
    Isn't Alexa just the interface? They could update the backend to use GPT
    - baq 4y ago
      Alexa's problem is they can't monetize voice.
yodon 4y ago
This sounds like a game-changer for any kind of API interaction with ChatGPT. At present, we are naively pushing all information a session might need into the session before it might be needed in case it might be needed (meaning a lot of info that generally wont end up being used, like realtime updates to associated data records, needs to be pushed into the session as they happen, just in case). It looks like plugins will allow us to flip that around and have the session pull information it might need as it needs it, which would be a huge improvement.
- oezi 4y ago
  I think OpenAI is letting people build plugins to learn how to build plugins themselves. There is no reason to believe that OpenAI shouldn't be able to leverage all existing API end points which are already out there.
dougmwne 4y ago
I would be interested to play with a long term memory plugin. It could be a note-taking system that would summarize prior conversations and pull their context into the current conversation through topic searches. This would enable the model to have a blurry long term memory outside of the current context. I played with some prompts and GTP-4 seems to have no problem reading and writing to a simulated long term memory if given a basic pre-prompt.
- sfink 4y ago
  "Grandpa, we know you've been really bothered by your memory loss and you're happy that you've come up with a way to fix it. "But we really think you need to get this thing under better control. "Your granddaughter's name is indeed Alice, but she's only 3: she is not running a pedophile ring out of a pizza parlor. Your neighbor's house burned down because of an electrical short, it was not zapped with a Jewish space laser. "Now switch that thing off and go do something about the line of trucks outside that are trying to deliver the 3129833 pounds of flour you ordered for your halved pancake recipe."
- thoop 4y ago
  I saw this on Twitter that seems to do what you want: https://www.rewind.ai/ https://www.rewind.ai/ I haven’t used it but your comment reminded me of it!
nikolqy 4y ago
Knowing that this is one of the biggest sites in the world scares me enough. Now they'll do anything to stay #1. Scary stuff!
londons_explore 4y ago
Does this functionality provide more than one can build with the GPT-4 API? Could I get the same by just making my prompt "You are a computer and can run the following tools to help you answer the users question: run_python('program'), google_search('query')". Other people have done this already, for example [1] [1]: https://vgel.me/posts/tools-not-needed/ https://vgel.me/posts/tools-not-needed/
- DustinBrett 4y ago
  The docs are live, it looks like it can do a lot more than the basic API. https://platform.openai.com/docs/plugins/introduction https://platform.openai.com/docs/plugins/introduction
  - londons_explore 4y ago
    I'm not seeing anything there that can't be done with the basic API with tool use added - ie. you call the API, sending the users query and information and examples of available tools. The API responds saying it wishes to use a tool, and which tool it wants to use. You then do whatever the tool does (eg. some math). You then call the API again, with the previous state, plus the result of the calculations, and GPT-4 then responds with the reply to the user.
    - kfarr 4y ago
      Agreed this isn't materially different, sounds like an incremental ui/ux improvement for non technical users who wouldn't fiddle with the API, analogous to how app stores simplified software installation for laypeople
- yodon 4y ago
  > Could I get the same by just making my prompt "You are a computer and can run the following functions to help you answer the users question: run_python('program'), google_search('query')". GPT-4 does not have a way to search the internet without plugins. It can search its training dataset, which is large, but not as large as the internet and certainly doesn't include private resources that a plugin can access.
lurker919 4y ago
How are they coding and releasing features so fast?!
- speedgoose 4y ago
  They may use GPT-4.
- lawxls 4y ago
  They're using GPT5
- pastor_bob 4y ago
  I find the website to be extremely buggy. Obviously they're prioritizing banging out new features over QA
  - capableweb 4y ago
    Alternatively, they are a company 100% focused on AI research and deployment, not website designers/developers/"webmasters".
    - pastor_bob 4y ago
      That's not 100% true. They're focused on now selling a product and developing an ecosystem. They have basically a non-existent settings interface. You can't even change the email tied to the account or drop having to be logged into Google if you signed up with your Google account. I wish I had known how restrictive they are when I casually signed up last year.
      - int_19h 4y ago
        Microsoft is the one packaging and selling it all as a polished product now. It's just that things move so fast that all the fun is on the bleeding edge, so that's where people go if they have access, bugs and warts and all.
      - codeisawesome 4y ago
celestialcheese 4y ago
This is a big deal for openai. Been working with homegrown toolkits and langchain, the open source version of this, for a number of months and the ability to call out to vectorstores, serpapis, etc, and chaining together generations and data-retrieval really unlocks the power of the LLMs. That being said, I'd never build anything dependent on these plugins. OpenAI and their models rule the day today, but who knows what will be next. Building on a open source framework (like langchain/gpt-index/roll your own), and having the ability to swap out the brain boxes behind the scenes is the only way forward IMO. And if you're a data provider, are there any assurances that openai isn't just scraping the output and using it as part of their RLHF training loop, baking your proprietary data into their model?
- Qworg 4y ago
  Another good alternative is Semantic Kernel - different language(s), similar (and better) tools, also OSS. https://github.com/microsoft/semantic-kernel/ https://github.com/microsoft/semantic-kernel/
- rvz 4y ago
  > That being said, I'd never build anything dependent on these plugins. Very smart and to avoid OpenAI pulling the rug. > Building on a open source framework (like langchain/gpt-index/roll your own), and having the ability to swap out the brain boxes behind the scenes is the only way forward IMO. Better to do that rather than to depend on one and swap out other LLMs. A free idea and a protection against abrupt policy, deprecations and price changes. Price increases will certainly vary (especially with ChatGPT) and will eventually increase in the future. Probably will end up quoting myself on this in the future.
- CuriouslyC 4y ago
  It's not necessarily an either-or. Your local LLM could offload hard problems to a service by encoding information about your request together with context and relevant information about you into a vector, send that off for analysis, then decode the vector locally to do stuff. It'd be like asking a friend when available.
- Karrot_Kream 4y ago
blackoil 4y ago
Truly exciting to see the speed of progress. In couple of years it has got improvements of a decade. From a silly toy, to truly useful. Won't be surprised if in another year or two it becomes a must have tool.
elaus 4y ago
Any idea how this is done? I.e. is it just priming the underlying GPT model with plugin information additionally to the user input ("you can ask Wolfram Alpha by replying 'hey wolfram: ...' ") and performing API calls when the GPT model returns certain keywords ('hey wolfram: $1')?
- trzy 4y ago
  Yup, basically. Edit: see here: https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin/blob/main/services/extract_metadata.py https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin/blob/main... I did this a while back with ARKit: https://github.com/trzy/ChatARKit/blob/17fca768ce8abd39fb27d75e752c8abb7bd380a6/iOS/ChatARKit/ChatARKit/Engine/Engine.swift#L50 https://github.com/trzy/ChatARKit/blob/17fca768ce8abd39fb27d...
  - elaus 4y ago
    Thanks, very interesting! Weird that it never occurred to me before reading OpenAI's announcement (and missing all the cool projects like yours beforehand).
    - trzy 4y ago
      On the bright side, now you’re basically caught up. This stuff is shockingly easy :)
- brap 4y ago
  I wonder, can these instructions be revealed with prompt injection?
  - int_19h 4y ago
    Everything that is in the context window can be potentially revealed with prompt engineering. (In this case, there's no prompt injection to speak of because letting the user input an arbitrary request is part of the UI. I think it's more accurate to call it "injection" only when that's not anticipated, like when Bing picks up instructions from the webpage you tell it to summarize.)
jyrkesh 4y ago
Everyone's been talking about how ChatGPT will disrupt search, but looking at the launch partners, I think this has the potential to completely subvert the OS / App Store layer. On some level, how much do I need an OpenTable app if I can use voice/text input and a multi-modal response that will ultimately book my reservation? Not saying mobile's going away, but this could be the thing that does to mobile what mobile did to desktop.
- tough 4y ago
  I agree, it's a revolutionary new better UX paradigm.
- lalos 4y ago
  Most (if not all) of those apps are free though, you supply them as a convenience because you know that smartphone owners spend money. The host OS loses access to that info, and that is used to target better ads in certain phone platforms.
- modeless 4y ago
  We have reached "peak UI". In the future we're not going to need every service to build four different versions of their app for every major platform. They can just build a barebones web app and the AI will use it for you, you'll never have to even see it.
  - killthebuddha 4y ago
    IMO you won't even need to build the app, you'll just provide a data model and some natural language descriptions of what you want your product to do.
    - nprateem 4y ago
      Except you won't if you want to make money because then you don't have a business
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davidkuennen 4y ago
I'm so hyped for the ChatGPT-4 API. Wish they'd give me access so I can make a lot of my workflows much easier. Especially in terms of translations.
sharemywin 4y ago
I wonder how you pay for it? Are the plugins going to cost more? Do they share the $20 with the plug provider? do you get charged a pay per use?
akavi 4y ago
I've got to wonder, how does a second player in the LLM space even get on the board? Like, this feels a lot like when the iPhone jumped out to grab the lion share of mobile. But the switching costs was much smaller (end users could just go out and buy an Android phone), and network effects much weaker (synergy with iTunes and the famous blue bubbles... and that's about it). Here it feels like a lot of the value is embedded in the business relationships OpenAI's building up, which seem _much_ more difficult to dislodge, even if others catch up from a capabilities perspective.
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- poszlem 4y ago
  It reminds me of what went down with Netflix. At first, it looked like you only needed one subscription to watch everything, but now that other players have entered the market, with their own bussiness contacts we're seeing ecosystems fracture. For example, Microsoft is collecting data from services A, B, and C, while Google is gathering data from X, Y, and Z. And when it comes to language models, you might use GPT for some tasks and Llama or Bard for others. It seems like the fight ahead won't be about technology, but rather about who has access to the most useful dataset. Personally, I also think we'll see competitors trying to take legal action against each other soon.
- arlcode 4y ago
  1) Not every use cases will require the full power and (probably) considerable cost of chat GPT-4. 2) some companies can absolutely not use OpenAI tools simply because they are American and online. A competitor might emerge to capture that market and be allowed to grow to be "good enough" 3) some "countries" (think China or EU(who am I Kidding)) will limit their growth until local alternatives are available. Ground breaking technology have a tendency to spread globally and the current state of the art is not that expensive (we are talking single digit billions once)
- HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
  Google have really been caught with their pants down here. Remember that OpenAI was created specifically to stave off the threat of AI monopolization by Google (or anyone else - but at the time Google). DeepMind have done some interesting stuff with Go, Protein folding etc, but nothing really commercial, nor addressing their reason d'etre of AGI. Google's just-released ChatGPT competitor, Bard, seems surprisingly weak, and meantime OpenAI are just widening their lead. Seems like a case of the small nimble startup running circles around the big corporate behemoth.
yosito 4y ago
Seems like someone already wrote an HN plugin. More than one enthusiastic comment per minute on this thread and it was just posted half an hour ago. Plus HN is filled with enthusiasm about ChatGPT today. Seems sus.
- qbasic_forever 4y ago
  It's really over the top hype the likes of which we haven't seen since self driving, blockchain/bitcoin, etc. I suspect in a year there will be some interesting uses of LLMs but all of the 'this changes EVERYTHING' pie in the sky thinking will be back down to earth.
  - baq 4y ago
    Get this thing running in a tight loop with an internal monologue in a car and you'll mostly solve self driving.
  - akavi 4y ago
    The difference is unlike self-driving and crypto, LLMs are providing value to people _today_. In my personal life, GPT4 is a patient interlocutor to ask about nerdy topics that are annoying to google (eg, yesterday I asked it "What's the homologue of the caudofemoralis in mammals?", and a long convo about the subtleties of when it is and isn't ok to use "gè" as the generic classifier in Mandarin.) Professionally, it's great for things like "How do I recursively do a search and replace `import "foo" from "bar"` to `import "baz" from "buzz"`, or "Pull out the names of functions defined in this chunk of scala code". This is without tighter integrations like Copilot or the ones linked to above.
    - qbasic_forever 4y ago
      Let's see where it is in a year... People thought Alexa, Siri, etc. would change everything. Amazon sunk 14 billion into Alexa alone. And yet it never generated any money as a business for them. ChatGPT is just an evolution of those tools and interactions. For your professional use how do you know it's giving you non-buggy code? I would be very skeptical of what it provides--I'm not betting my employment on its quality of results.
modeless 4y ago
Is there a plugin to automate signing up for waitlists? That's what I've needed this week.
johnfn 4y ago
A couple (wow, only 5!) months ago, I wrote up this long screed[1] about how OpenAI had completely missed the generative AI art wave because they hadn't iterated on DALL-E 2 after launch. It also got a lot of upvotes which I was pretty happy about at the time :) Never have I been more wrong. It's clear to me now that they simply didn't even care about the astounding leap forward that was generative AI art and were instead focused on even more high-impact products. (Can you imagine going back 6 months and telling your past self "Yeah, generative AI is alright, but it's roughly the 4th most impressive project that OpenAI will put out this year"?!) ChatGPT, GPT4, and now this: the mind boggles. Watching some of the gifs of GPT using the internet, summarizing web pages, comparing them, etc is truly mind-blowing. I mean yeah I always thought this was the end goal but I would have put it a couple years out, not now. Holy moly. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33010982 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33010982
- cwkoss 4y ago
  Stable Diffusion A1111 and other webUIs are moving so fast with a bunch of OSS contributions, seems pretty rational for OpenAI to decide to not compete and just copy the interfaces of the popular tools once the users validate their usefulness rather than trying to design them a priori.
- Freedom2 4y ago
  For me, this is why I hesitate to comment and write significant, lengthy comments on here, or any website. It's easy to be wrong (like you), and while being wrong isn't bad, there isn't necessarily any upside to being right either, aside from the dopamine rush of getting upvotes, which in life, doesn't amount to much.
  - johnfn 4y ago
    What's wrong with being wrong? In this case, I'm delighted to be wrong (though I believe I had evaluated OpenAI mostly right given my knowledge at the time).
    - chrispogeek 4y ago
siva7 4y ago
OpenAI is like a virus... the speed at which it degrades its competitors is staggering.
victoryhb 4y ago
Super smart move for OpenAI to monetize the existing infrastructure, which will make it easy for corporations to integrate GPT into their internal data and workflow. It also solves two fundamental bottlenecks in current versions of GPT: factuality and (limited) working memory. Google, with its lackluster Bard, will face new threat, now that everyone can build a customized New Bing clone in a matter of days.
golergka 4y ago
Wow. GPT-4 have already become kind of my personal assistant in the last couple of weeks, and now it will be able to actually perform tasks instead of just giving me text descriptions.
mrandish 4y ago
> "We expect that open standards will emerge to unify the ways in which applications expose an AI-facing interface. We are working on an early attempt at what such a standard might look like, and we’re looking for feedback from developers interested in building with us." I'm curious to see just how they're going to play this "open standard."
justaregulardev 4y ago
This changes everything and seems like a perfect logical step from where we were. LLMs have this fantastic capacity to understand human language, but their abilities were severely limited without access to the external world. Before, I felt ChatGPT was just a cool toy. Now that ChatGPT has plugins, the sky’s the limit. I think this could the “killer app” for LLMs.
- pzo 4y ago
  Agree for me it probably looks similar to situation with iphone history - first one was impressive but only when next year after that apple released app store they turned snow ball rolling into unstoppable avalanche.
- FredPret 4y ago
  Hopefully it doesn’t actually become THE “killer” app
  - subtech 4y ago
    underrated reply :)
sour-taste 4y ago
Thought 1: If google can get their shit together and actually integrate their LLM with all their services and all the data they have they would have a strong edge over the competition. An LLM that can answer questions based on your calendar, your email, your google docs, youtube/search history, etc. is simultaneously terrifying and interesting. Of course there's also microsoft who does have some popular services, but they're pretty limited. Thought 2: How do these companies make money if everyone just uses the chatbot to access them? Is LLM powered advertising on the way?
- baq 4y ago
  re money, people are falling over themselves to pay money for this thing and they're being put on a waitlist. this thing seems to be like cellphones, everyone will need a subscription or you're an outcast or something.
- beambot 4y ago
  Google is currently in an existential crisis on this front... Microsoft is already way ahead of the game when it comes to integrating LLMs into productivity tools & search. This recent product announcement about Microsoft 365 integration is almost magical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf-dbS9CcRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf-dbS9CcRU Best of all: Advertising needn't be the business model! And Microsoft is a major investor / partner for OpenAI.
  - suby 4y ago
    The problem is, this will have downstream effects. Google funnels people onto third party websites and these third party websites are able to sustain themselves thanks to the ad revenue they make from traffic. We need other players to make money other than the middleman.
CrypticShift 4y ago
This goes in line with the “Open” in OpenAI. However, this is a "controlled" sort of openness, and the problem of trust with their receding "real" openness does not encourage me to engage with this ecosystem.
neilellis 4y ago
What's that noise? That's the sound of a thousand small startups going bust. Well played OpenAI.
- rvnx 4y ago
  I have a plan: let's blame the FED and save the VCs
  - baq 4y ago
    go home and cry bill, you're drunk again
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elevenoh4 4y ago
"Plugin developers who have been invited off our waitlist can use our documentation to build a plugin for ChatGPT, which then lists the enabled plugins in the prompt shown to the language model as well as documentation to instruct the model how to use each. The first plugins have been created by Expedia, FiscalNote, Instacart, KAYAK, Klarna, Milo, OpenTable, Shopify, Slack, Speak, Wolfram, and Zapier." The waitlist mafia has begun. Insiders get all the whitespace.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
> We’ve implemented initial support for plugins in ChatGPT. Plugins are tools designed specifically for language models with safety as a core principle, and help ChatGPT access up-to-date information, run computations, or use third-party services. That is the most awkward insertion of a phrase about safety I've seen in quite some time.
djoldman 4y ago
Now just one step away from charging businesses for access to the chatGPT users. Instant links from inside chatGPT to your website are the new equivalent of Google search ads.
- mariojv 4y ago
  I really hope they stick with the ChatGPT+ paid model. A big use of GPT to me is getting information I can already get with a search, but summarized more concisely without having to navigate various disparate web interfaces and bloated websites. It saves a lot of time for things that I don't need an expert's verified opinion on. Injecting ads into that might mess with the experience. Maybe a freemium model where you don't get ads as a plus subscriber would work out.
  - baq 4y ago
    Bing image creator seems to be on the right path to freemium: you get a few priority requests and then get bumped onto the slow free queue. If the thing keeps getting better as fast as it is right now they'll have lines in the checkout page.
sharemywin 4y ago
Can't wait for the mturk, upwork and fiverr plugins.
- imhoguy 4y ago
  humans as batteries in pods soon
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nmca 4y ago
Is this the app store moment for AI? (it certainly is for https://ai.com https://ai.com , aha)
jpalomaki 4y ago
Add a simple plugin that ChatGPT can use to save and retrieve data (=memory) and tell it how to use it. Then you have your own computer with ChatGPT acting as CPU.
- golergka 4y ago
  You don't need a computer or an OS, or Google, or internet. Chat gpt will do it all.
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- valine 4y ago
  OpenAI already has it, it’s part of the retrieval plugin: “A notable feature of the Retrieval Plugin is its capacity to provide ChatGPT with memory. By utilizing the plugin's upsert endpoint, ChatGPT can save snippets from the conversation to the vector database for later reference (only when prompted to do so by the user). This functionality contributes to a more context-aware chat experience by allowing ChatGPT to remember and retrieve information from previous conversations.” https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin
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CobrastanJorji 4y ago
I'm boggled at the plugin setup documentation. It's basically: 1. Define the API exactly with OpenAPI. 2. Write a couple of English sentences explaining what the API is for and what the methods do. 3. You're done, that's it, ChatGPT can figure out when and how to use it correctly now. Holy cow.
- HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
  Yes, and they'll then prefix each chat session with some preamble explaining the available plugins per your description, and the model will call them when it sees fit.
  - IanCal 4y ago
    The great part about this imo is that it seems straightforward to add this to other llm tools.
- visarga 4y ago
  We can finally semantic-web now.
- swyx 4y ago
  the 3min video is OpenAI leveraging ChatGPT to write OpenAPI to extend OpenAI ChatGPT. what a world we live in.
  - cwxm 4y ago
    which video are you referring to?
    - r0uv3n 4y ago
      It's at the bottom of the article (the very last video, section is "Third party plugin").
- kzrdude 4y ago
  Just take a peek at the other thread about https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its... and look at the "wrong Mercury" example. I think it's a great example of using an external resource in a flexible way.
robbywashere_ 4y ago
Is this how product placement and advertisements find their way in? I am anticipating the usefulness to decline in the same way google.com search has by being so absolutely inundated with ads. Maybe I am cynical
JanSt 4y ago
Eagerly waiting for a git Plugin that does smart on-the-fly contextualization of a whole codebase
maxdoop 4y ago
Is OpenAI just extremely prepared for their releases, or are they using their own tech to be extremely efficient? I'm imagining what their own programmers do each day, given direct access to the current most powerful models.
- dagorenouf 4y ago
  Likely a combination: strong startup mentality of move fast and break things with infinite money + master their own tools to speed up release time 10x
andre-z 4y ago
Here is a video on how it can be used with a vector search database like Qdrant to retrieve real-time data. https://youtu.be/fQUGuHEYeog https://youtu.be/fQUGuHEYeog HowTo: https://qdrant.tech/articles/chatgpt-plugin/ https://qdrant.tech/articles/chatgpt-plugin/ Disclaimer: I'm a part of Qdrant team.
0xDEF 4y ago
Is there a list of companies that have been made obsolete by ChatGPT?
- brokensegue 4y ago
  yeah here's the list: 1.
sharemywin 4y ago
Does this become the new robots.txt file Create a manifest file and host it at yourdomain.com/.well-known/ai-plugin.json
- fermuch 4y ago
  it says it'll respect robots.txt if you don't want your page crawled (parsed? interpreted?)
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rickrollin 4y ago
So now we are going to get a Super App like they have in China with WeChat? I actually think this is going to centralize a lot the information and it is going to remove the need for a lot of applications. We are only now going plugins.
neilellis 4y ago
The iPhone moment is over, now the App Store moment.
- typon 4y ago
  All within three months. My head is spinning.
Neuro_Gear 4y ago
The more I use these tools, the more I feel like Barrabas, from biblical times. What spirits do you wizards call forth!
kristopolous 4y ago
Is there a way to try this out without paying $20?
endisneigh 4y ago
I see a lot of positive sentiment and hype, but ultimately unless they own the phone ecosystem they will lose in the end, imho. In a year Apple and Google will trivially create something equivalent. Those who control the full stack (hardware, software and ecosystem) will be the true winners.
- visarga 4y ago
  True, this will not only be replicated by Google, Apple, Amazon and Facebook, but also by open-source. OpenAI has a short window of exclusivity. Nobody can afford to wait now, after reading the Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence paper I am convinced it is proto-AGI. Just read the math section, coding and tool use. I've read thousands of papers and never have I seen one like this. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf
- qgin 4y ago
  I am curious how Apple will approach it. They have historically valued 100% certainty with Siri above all else, even if it means having an extremely limited feature set. If there is even a tiny chance it might do the wrong thing, they don't even enable the capability. I don't see how they can ignore this though. But at the same time it goes against all of Apple's culture to allow the kind of uncertainty that comes out of LLMs.
- MichaelRazum 4y ago
  The question is how fast can you replicate it? People will use the best solution. Chrome came after firefox and ie and opera and become more populare because it was better.
- scarface74 4y ago
  It’s not “trivial” because of the cost per query. As far as Google, it doesn’t even have access to the most valuable phone users without paying Apple $18B+ a year.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    Something can be both expensive and trivial. If the market is huge they will bear the cost. The tech is well understood even now. The parameter size will likely be an order of magnitude less for gpt4 level results in a few years
iamflimflam1 4y ago
The video in the "Code Interpreter" section is a must watch.
JCharante 4y ago
A first party version of apps that have been built with langchain is great but I'm dissapointed to not see Jira here yet. I have been playing around with GPT-4 parsing plaintext tickets and it is amazing what it does with the proper amount of context. It can draft tickets, familiarize itself with your stack by knowing all the tickets, understand the relationship between blockers, tell you why tickets are being blocked and the importance behind it. It can tell you what tickets should be prioritized and if you let it roleplay as a PM it'll suggest what role to be hiring for. I've only used it for a side project and I've always felt lonely working on solo side projects, but it is genuinly exciting to give it updates and have it draft emails on the latest progress. The first issue tracker to develop a plugin is what I'm moving towards.
- jasondigitized 4y ago
  Tell me more. Are you feeding it a epic and all stories and subtasks? What are your prompts?
  - JCharante 4y ago
    I gave it a paragraph "hiring" GPT-4 and explaining our mission. Then a sentence overview of our two projects (api and app) as well as a description of similar apps and how we're different. Then I have about 12 tickets written in plaintext like this: Issue ID: GD-012 Type: Task Title: [api] Migrate to TRPC from express/rest Assignee: John Status: In Progress --Description Beginning-- --Description End-- Because the outputs are really long, here's an example of my interactions with Dave (the name I gave to GPT-4). There's also emails Dave has created to fictional stakeholders but that's too high up. Right now the problem I'm having is that sometimes Dave can remember the issue tracker state but when trying to output (so that I can store it) it can't produce a long enough output (now, it worked before when I had 6 tickets). If I were to cram everything into 1 prompt then it would probably work, but a better solution is to use langchain and a document loader for issues. I believe that if I was able to vectorize the codebase so that if could search for relavent portions of code (at work a lot of our tickets were "update this endpoint to handle case X, we did it to this other endpoint 6 months ago (link to PR)) and have a proper store of issues then it could be powerful. Creating epics: https://poe.com/s/Qu62LtlV2yKGZXlXTTS1 https://poe.com/s/Qu62LtlV2yKGZXlXTTS1 Explaining blockers: https://poe.com/s/vnE0SsI3e55WT1t6fkNW https://poe.com/s/vnE0SsI3e55WT1t6fkNW Creating tickets with a recommended checklist of tasks: https://poe.com/s/SJ3RPF7ecHSYEBJKS76z https://poe.com/s/SJ3RPF7ecHSYEBJKS76z
93po 4y ago
Holy shit. Ignore the silly third party plugins, the first party plugins for web browsing and code interpretation are massive game changers. Up to date information and performing original research on it is huge. As someone else said, Google is dead unless they massively shift in the next 6 months. No longer do I need to sift through pages of "12 best recipes for Thanksgiving" blog spam - OpenAI will do this for me and compile the results across several blog spam sites. I am literally giving notice and quitting my job in a couple weeks, and it's a mixture of both being sick of it but also because I really need to focus my career on what's happening in this field. I feel like everything I'm doing now (product management for software) is about to be nearly worthless in 5 years. Largely in part because I know there will be a Github Copilot integration of some sort, and software development as we know it for consumer web and mobile apps is going to massively change. I'm excited and scared and frankly just blown away.
- fandorin 4y ago
  I was considering doing the same (giving notice) and I'm doing similar things as you (product mgmt). What's your plan "to focus your career on what's happening in this field"?
  - CrackpotGonzo 4y ago
    As a previous startup founder, now marketer, i’m also going in all in on reinventing myself. Can we start a group to support each other through this new phase?
    - teetertater 4y ago
      I also quit my job three months ago for the same reason and would gladly join the group!
      - FredPret 4y ago
        Me too, three months ago as well!
impulser_ 4y ago
Maybe this is just me, but the only thing useful in their example is that it creates a Instacart shopping cart for a recipe. You can ask both Bard and ChatGPT to give you a suggestion for a vegan restaurant and a recipe with calories and they both provide results. The only thing missing is the calories per item but who cares about that. Most of the time it would be better to Google vegan restaurants and recipes because you want to see a selection of them not just one suggestion.
- grumple 4y ago
  Agree, those examples are not great. You could ask existing home devices the same thing. Pretty sure you can ask them to order things for you too. But I do find it intriguing.
- fudged71 4y ago
  Maybe it was a poor example but you might be missing the point a little bit. By personalizing the prompt you can get potentially super high quality recommendations on filters that aren't even available in those apps. "I just dropped my kids off at soccer practice and I need something light and easy, what would Stanley Tucci order? give me an album and wine pairing and close the garage door"
- pps 4y ago
  What's to stop you from asking it to give you a list of recommendations to choose from, based on your current preferences? The idea is that you ask what you want and you get it, without clicking and manually solving a task like checking website X, website Y, website Z, comparing all the different options, etc. They just want to show the basics of what's going on with these plugins, and then you can expand on it however you want.
- bluecrab 4y ago
  Did you see the ffmpeg example? Everything people are using langchain to do can be done directly with chatgpt and it's plugin.
treyhuffine 4y ago
OpenAI's product execution has been impeccable. It will be interesting to see how the companies trying to compete respond.
gk1 4y ago
The biggest deal about this is the ability to create your own plugins. The Retrieval Plugin is a kind of starter kit, with built-in integrations to the Pinecone vector database: https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin#pinecone https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin#pinecone
swyx 4y ago
i think people aren't appreciating it's ability to run -and execute- Python. IT RUNS FFMPEG https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1638971232443076609?s=20 https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1638971232443076609?s=20 IT RUNS FREAKING FFMPEG. inside CHATGPT. what. is. happening. ChatGPT is an AI compute platform now.
- sho_hn 4y ago
  Next: 1. Prompt it to extract the audio track, then give it to a speech-to-text API, translate it to another language, then make it add it back to the video file as a subtitle track. 2. Retrain the model to where it does this implcitly when you say "hey can you add Portuguese subtitles to this for me"?
  - stnmtn 4y ago
    I don't have words for how much this seems like a relatively trivial thing to do now, and 1 year ago I would have laughed at someone if they suggested this was a possibility in 5 years I'm feeling a mixture of feelings that I can't begin to describe
    - iamwil 4y ago
      "Falling forward into a future unknown"
    - sho_hn 4y ago
      The Star Trek computer is here! :-)
      - JaDogg 4y ago
        But not the Star Trek economy / elimination of money. So some of us will starve while we get there. :(
    - TechnicolorByte 4y ago
      Well said. It so easy to take for granted all these tech milestones with generative AI in particular the last year.
davidkunz 4y ago
Plugins I would like to see: - Compiler/parser for programming languages (to see if code compiles) - Read and write access to a given directory on the file system (to automatically change a code base) - Access to given tools, to be invoked in that directory (cargo test, npm test, ...) Then I could just say what I want, lean back and have a functioning program in the end.
- radus 4y ago
  I'm sure this type of integration will happen, but... isn't this exactly how AGI would "escape"?
  - kzrdude 4y ago
    In just a moment, someone will give it "a button to press" and hopefully it will have mostly positive effects. But it will certainly be interesting to follow. Most of what we've seen so far has been one-directional but hopefully these services can interact with the wider world soon. I think everyone is very wary of abuse. It would be fun in the future if AI-siri can order pizza for you, and maybe there'd be some "fun" failure modes of that. You'd probably want to keep your credit card or apple pay away from the assistant.
p10 4y ago
I just signed up for the ChatGPT API waitlist, and am truly excited to experience the process of building extensions & applications.
kernal 4y ago
The hubris at Google for sitting on their inferior AI chatbot is amusing. They could have been a contender, but decided we weren't ready for an AI chatbot whose main prowess seems to be scraping websites. This is all on Sundar Pichai and he should face the consequences for this and all of his previous failures. With ChatGPT having an API and now plugins I don't see Google catching up anytime soon. Sundar was right about this being a code red situation at Google, but it should have never gotten to this point .
eqmvii 4y ago
I wonder how many startups were trying to build something like this and just saw it lunched by OpenAI?
- pmkelly4444 4y ago
  I am building something in the SDK generation from OpenAPI space. This is making me reconsider the roadmap as ChatGPT is now somewhat of a natural language SDK.
mherrmann 4y ago
The Wolfram plugin also has extremely impressive examples [1]. If I were OpenAI, I would use the usage data to further train the model. They can probably use ChatGPT itself to determine when an answer it produced pleased the user. Then they can use that to train the next model. The internet is growing a brain. 1: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its...
- bsaul 4y ago
  In a way this is a bit less impressive than having chatgpt being able to generate those answers on its own only using learned information. This kinds of admits defeat regarding its ability to solve mathematical problems correctly or answer factual information.
  - unit_circle 4y ago
    But doesn't this seem like the correct approach long term? Basically shelling out to what essentially amounts to a fact table when it gets a factual question
    - sp332 4y ago
      Yes, there's no point spending all that time and compute training and inferring ways to do math problems when you could just use a calculator.
    - arlcode 4y ago
      It is but it also shows current limitation of the reasoning skills of this models. A super human AGI would easily be able to use tools like Wolfram Alpha and also derive most of it on the fly or from memory just by thinking about it. If you set your expectations to AGI (right now) you will be disappointed but that doesn't mean it's not immensely useful. Unfounded hype and real technological progress seem to go hand in hand.
      - flakeoil 4y ago
jug 4y ago
Google is so f'ed right now. Can you imagine Google just released a davinci-003 like model in public beta? That only supports English and can't code reliably. OpenAI is clearly betting on unleashing this avalanche before Google has time to catch up and rebuild reputation. They're still lying in the boxing ring and the referee is counting to ten.
- mritchie712 4y ago
  can't code reliably: https://twitter.com/thisritchie/status/1638608737718919174 https://twitter.com/thisritchie/status/1638608737718919174
s1mon 4y ago
I know a large commercial entity will never do this, but I'd love to see a Sci-Hub plugin connected with the Wolfram plugin and whatever other plugins help to understand various realms of study. Imagine being able to ask ChatGPT to dig through research and answer questions based on those papers and theses.
- josecyc 4y ago
  Yep
- seydor 4y ago
  Google scholar already has access to everything published. I hope their chatbot version does that
- r0uv3n 4y ago
  It seems like you can very easily set up third party Plugins, maybe they'll be brave enough to let users install those (probably with copious warnings). AFAICT it only really requires you to enter the URL of the manifest, which would make sharing such plugins very easy
iamsanteri 4y ago
So that square icon to stop generating response was actually intended? I thought it's always been some sort of a fontawesome icon never loading properly in my chats :'D
pzo 4y ago
This could a big win for Microsoft (and big loose to Google and Amazon cloud). Since chatgpt has to query those plugins with http(?)request companies might move their servers to Azure to reduce latency and cost of bandwidth
anonyfox 4y ago
I have a feeling this will be an earth shattering moment in time, especially for us. Basically you can plug your business data into the Chatbot now, and ideally (or not far off) there is a transcational API call in the form of dialogue. Sound/Voice/Siri/whatever.... coming soon for more accessability and convenience. This will decimate frontend developers or at least change the way they provide value soon, and companies not being able to transition into a "headless mode" might get a hard time.
- tukantje 4y ago
  I definitely agree, although I wonder how to do a switch to stay relevant. Any ideas on that front?
  - anonyfox 4y ago
    Infrastructure engineering as a foundation, since all this stuff ultimately needs some hardware, that has to be provisioned. Not to speak of plumbing/wiring stuff together and things like security/compliance… DevOps/Automation to get people (no matter if current devs or soon prompters) actually deliver things and/or speed up delivery/feedback loops. I picked up both after having mastered frontend/backend stuff and getting bored… hope it holds in the coming future!
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      It always comes back to DevOps. Sigh.
pisush 4y ago
ChatGPT is very helpful in building what needs to be built for the plugin!
ChildOfChaos 4y ago
The AI space is moving so fast. I swear last week was huge with GPT 4 and Midjourney 5, but this week has a bunch of stuff as well. This week you have Bing adding updated Dall-e to it's site, Adobe announcing it's own image generation model and tools, Google releasing Bard to the public and now these ChatGPT plugins, Crazy times. I love it.
throwaway4837 4y ago
If you live in SF and have gone out to casual bars or restaurants, you meet/hear people talking about ChatGPT. In particular, I've been hearing a lot of people talking about their startups being "a UI using ChatGPT under the hood to help you with X". But I'm starting to get the feeling that OpenAI will eat their lunches. It's tried and true and it worked for Amazon. If OpenAI becomes the AI platform of choice, I wonder how many apps on the platform will eventually become native capabilities of the platform itself. This is unlike the Apple App Store, where they just take a commission, and more like Amazon where Amazon slowly starts to provide more and more products, pushing third-party products out of the market.
- nikcub 4y ago
  The Bill Gates "A platform is when the economic value of everybody that uses it, exceeds the value of the company that creates it. Then it's a platform.” line seems apt - i'm sure they'll figure it out
- jschveibinz 4y ago
  The market will sort this out. If OpenAI decides to make shovels rather than digging for gold (like it should), then the customer facing apps will fight it out for very little margin on top of marketing expenses while OpenAI (or equivalent) is rolling in money.
  - bluecrab 4y ago
    They're doing the two. They're making shovels and killîng those buying while digging for gold.
- mxmbrb 4y ago
  Fascinating to hear your perspective on this. I think a lot of people will fall out of the sky. Beeing overtaken before even realizing why. In germany most of my friends and collegues working SE tech or digital design, often "haven't even tried this Chat something thing" or stopped at "AI images? These wierd small pictures that look like a cpu is high on drugs?" And dont get me startet on non-tech friends and family. I think we are taking a leap that will let the digital world of 2022 look like amish livestyle.
softwaredoug 4y ago
It's ironic that a few months ago Amazon laid off parts of the Alexa team and 'conversational' was considered failed. Then ChatGPT, etc happened. What Alexa wanted to build with Alexa skills, ChatGPT does much more effortlessly. It's also an interesting case study. Alexa foundationally never changed. Whereas OpenAI is a deeply invested, basically skunkworks, project with backers that were willing to sink significant cash into before seeing any returns, Alexa got stuck on a type of tech that 'seemed like' AI but never fundamentally innovated. Instead the sunk cost went to monetizing it ASAP. Amazon was also willing to sink cash before seeing returns, but they sunk it into very different areas... It reminds me of that dinner scene in Social Network. Where Justin Timberlake says "you know what's f'ing cool, a billion dollars" where he lectures Zuck on not messing up with the party before you know what it is yet. Alexa / Amazon did a classic business play. Microsoft / OpenAI were just willing to figure it all out after the disruption happened where they held all the cards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5fJmkv02is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5fJmkv02is
- sunsunsunsun 4y ago
  I have never used Alexa, hey google or whatever flavour you choose for more then "set a timer for x minutes" and other very basic tasks. It's amazing how terrible the voice assistant products are compared to chatgpt.
  - summarity 4y ago
    Experimenting with and/or reading about ChatGPT and then interacting with Siri feels almost offensive now. All of the assistants still suck - get on it AmaGooPple!
  - pms 4y ago
    However, is ChatGPT a solution to virtual assistant? I'm not sure, because virtual assistants work with huge databases of entities, e.g., songs or movies, and it's not really clear that ChatGPT can handle this. A couple of days ago I asked it whether it knows Dream of You by Camila Cabello, a song with hundreds of millions of plays, and it didn't... Furthermore, that database is constantly updated... It sounds like LLMs solve neither of these problems well, although they may be an improvement over current wave of virtual assistants.
Pigalowda 4y ago
Nice! Maybe there will be a plugin for Elsevier medical apps like UptoDate and STATDx.
andre-z 4y ago
Another showcase video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYaQBLLQri8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYaQBLLQri8
huijzer 4y ago
Based on the speed at which OpenAI is shipping new products and assuming that they use their own technology, I'm starting to get more and more convinced that their technology is a superpower. Timeline of shipping by them (based on https://twitter.com/E0M/status/1635727471747407872?s=20 https://twitter.com/E0M/status/1635727471747407872?s=20): DALL·E - July '22 ChatGPT - Nov '22 API's 66% cheaper - Aug '22 Embeddings 500x cheaper while SoTA - Dec '22 ChatGPT API. Also 10x cheaper while SoTA - March '23 Whisper API - March '23 GPT-4 - March '23 Plugins - March '23 Note that they have only a few hundred employees. To quote Fireship from YouTube: "2023 has been a crazy decade so far"
- softwaredoug 4y ago
  Their superpower is having a tech giant owning 49% of them, willing to drop deep deep money, without the obvious payoff. :) I also wonder to what extent their staffing numbers reflect reality. How much of Azure's staffing has been put on OpenAI projects? That's probably an actual reflection of the real cost of this thing.
  - huijzer 4y ago
    > How much of Azure's staffing has been put on OpenAI projects? Great point!
  - baq 4y ago
    It's probably burning through tens of millions per day and it still doesn't matter, this is fusion power in electricity terms. Free money down the line after the initial investment. I'll pay, you'll pay, your neighbour's dog will pay for this.
  - pbronez 4y ago
    Yes, but other orgs have similar resources. Most obvious is Google/Deepmind. Apple too. Neither of them made this leap.
- jimkleiber 4y ago
  Yeah, I'd be really curious to hear how much people within OpenAI use their tools to create and ship their code. That would be quite a compelling testimony, and also help me feel more clear, because I've been quite confused at how quickly things have been going for them.
zaptrem 4y ago
Looks like my prediction was pretty close! I would have guessed two years instead of two months, though. https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=34618076 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=34618076
danielrm26 4y ago
This is insanely great. And it's bringing the future forward where everyone has custom models for their business. Right now it's langchain, but that's really difficult to implement right now. This is a short-term bridge to the real thing that's coming: https://danielmiessler.com/blog/spqa-ai-architecture-replace-existing-software/ https://danielmiessler.com/blog/spqa-ai-architecture-replace...
mk_stjames 4y ago
I have some odd feelings about this. It took less than a year to go from "of course it isn't hooked up to the internet in any way, silly!" to "ok.... so we hooked up up to the internet..." First is your API calls, then your chatgpt-jailbreak-turns-into-a-bank-DDOS-attack, then your "today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE which resulted in the largest single day drop since 1987..." You can go on about individual responsibility and all... users are still the users, right. But this is starting to feel like giving a loaded handgun to a group of chimpanzees. And OpenAI talks on and on about 'Safety' but all that 'Safety' means is "well, we didn't let anyone allow it to make jokes about fat or disabled people so we're good, right?!"
- afterburner 4y ago
  Yes but.... money
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- Gam_ 4y ago
  >"today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE which resulted in the largest single day drop since 1987..." this is hyperbolic nonsense/fantasy
  - FredPret 4y ago
    Oh yes. It would of course have to happen after the market opens. 9:30 AM.
  - meghan_rain 4y ago
    /remindme 5 years
  - mk_stjames 4y ago
    Literally 6 months ago you couldn't get ChatGPT to call up details from a webpage or send any dat to a 3rd party API connected to the web in any way. Today you can. I don't think it is a stretch to think that in another 6 months there could be financial institutions giving API access to other institutions through ChatGPT, and all it takes it a stupid access control hole or bug and my above sentence could ring true. Look how simple and exploitable various access token breaches in various APIs have been in the last few years, or even simple stupid things like the aCropalypse "bug" (it wasn't even a bug, just someone making a bad change in the function call and thus misuse spreading without notice) from last week.
SubiculumCode 4y ago
I can't stop thinking about how this will change my autism research. Used to be that one could keep up to date with all of the imaging research. Now you'd need to read hundreds of papers each week. Having gpt-like tech help digest research could really unlock our investments.
jcims 4y ago
This is wild, I just started experimenting with langchain against GPT-3 and enabled it to execute terminal commands. The power that this exposes is pretty interesting, I just asked it to create a website on AWS S3 and it created the file, created the bucket, tried a different name when it realized the bucket already existed, uploaded the file, set the permissions on the file and configured the static website settings for the bucket. It's wild.
amrrs 4y ago
Here is ChatGPT's response of this HN thread tweeted by Greg - https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1638986918947082241 https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1638986918947082241 insane!
- MichaelRazum 4y ago
  wow
- ducktective 4y ago
  I think Greg frequents HN. He mentioned a Python web-ui project which was on first page of HN on GPT4 launch day too.
  - bluecrab 4y ago
    Everyone of the employees actively uses HN,Reddit and discord.
- folli 4y ago
  I'm still confused on the difference between ChatGPT and Bing Chat. When asking Bing Chat the exact same question, it won't be able to find this here HN thread and will reply about a 9to5google article about the topic. I thought Bing Chat uses GPT-4 as well?
  - sp332 4y ago
    Well, it does now. There was a post on Hacker News about ChatGPT plugins by OpenAI 1. The post received 1333 points and 710 comments 1. One user commented that they were wrong about OpenAI missing out on generative AI art wave because they were focused on more high-impact products like ChatGPT, GPT4 and now plugins 1. Another user mentioned that it was clear from the start that OpenAI intended to monetize DALL-E but competitors were able to release viable alternatives before OpenAI could establish a monopoly 1. Citation 1 links to this thread.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  They just made Google a plug-in. Pretty simple to implement yourself though. But yeah impressive if not a bit horoscope like.
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qgin 4y ago
This coming on the heels of the super underwhelming Bard release makes me actually wonder for the first time if Google has the ability to keep up. Not because I doubt their technical capabilities, but because they're just getting out-launched by a big factor.
- crop_rotation 4y ago
  This might be the biggest threat to Google search (apart from OS vendors changing defaults) in a long long time. One problem Google faces is that they have to make money via search. Several other products are subsidized via search, so taking a hit on search revenue itself is out of the question. Compared to Microsoft which makes money on other stuff, search (and knowledge discovery) is more like a complement, on which they can easily operate on near break even point for a very long time (maybe even make it a loss leader). If Google had to launch something similar to New Bing to general availability, the cost of search for sure would go up and margins will go down. Is the google organisational hierarchy even setup to handle a hit on search margins? AFAIK search prints money and supports several other loss making products. Even GCP was not turning a profit last I checked.
  - dingclancy 4y ago
    The biggest threat to Google is if people stops going to google.com. It does not matter now if ChatGPT is successful with their product. the fact that you can take these LLMs and put them anywhere EXCEPT google.com, Google is f'd up. The last generation was creating the habit of going to google.com before jumping off to other websites. That era is over. I rarely go to google.com now. If the LLM is in ChatGPT + Notion + Office 365 + VSC, opening a browser to type to an address bar is silly.
    - metaltyphoon 4y ago
      I’m sure I’m not the first, but I have completely stopped using google.com since January.
MichaelRazum 4y ago
Google=Nokia? It's just crazy that they were leading the field in "AI" and got blown away by OpenAI. Anyway to the expert's in the field, what do you think how hard is it to clone GPT-4 and what would be the hardest part? I had the impression that it is always about compute time and you could kind of catch up very quickly, if you had enough resources.
throwaway2203 4y ago
Do you need OpenAI plus for this?
billiam 4y ago
The blog post(1) from Stephen Wolfram is epic and has a lot of implications for how science and engineering is going to get done in the future. Tl;dr he seems willing to let ChatGPT shape how people will interact with his computational language and the data it unlocks. He genuinely doesn't seem to know where it will go but makes the case for Wolfram Language being the language that ChatGPT uses to compute a lot of things. But I think it more likely ChatGPT will make his natural interface to Wolfram (Wolfram|Alpha) quickly obsolete and end up modifying or rewriting Wolfram Language so it can use it more effectively. He makes the case that "true" AI is going to be possible with this combination of neural net-based "talking machines" like ChatGPT and languages like Wolfram. I remain skeptical, but it might shape human research for years to come. 1. https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its...
Imnimo 4y ago
In the example near the bottom, where it makes a restaurant reservation and a chickpea salad recipe, is it just generating that recipe from the model itself? It looks like they enable three plugins, WolframAlpha, OpenTable, and Instacart. It's not clear if the plugins model also comes with browsing by default. While I might be comfortable having ChatGPT look up a recipe for me, I feel like it's a much bigger stretch to have it just propose one from its own weights. I also notice that the prompter chooses to include the instruction "just the ingredients" - is this just to keep the demo short, or does it have trouble formulating the calorie counting query if the recipe also has instructions? If the recipe is generated without instructions and exists only in the model's mind, what am I supposed to do once I've got the ingredients?
Seattle3503 4y ago
ChatGPT is going to get blamed for misbehaving plugs. While this is a huge opportunity, it also seems like a huge risk.
mirekrusin 4y ago
They're doing one stop shop for everything. This is dangerous.
squarefoot 4y ago
The real question is: how much will cost the option to have it return results that are not sponsored?
hmate9 4y ago
Giving an AI direct access to a code interpreter is exactly how you get skynet. Not saying it’s likely to happen with current chatgpt but as these inevitably get better the chances are forever increasing.
nikcub 4y ago
now add a ?q= url param to chat.openai.com that fills and submits the prompt and I'm changing it to my default browser search provider instantly
bobdosherman 4y ago
I used call point-and-click statistical software (like JMP) was the same as giving people who didn't know what they were doing a loaded gun. But democratizing access to advanced statistics...yada yada...who cares about asymptotic theory and identification and what not. Then R and Python and APIs that try to abstract as much as possible, and more loaded guns. But the talk of those loaded guns are really just phd-holders being obnoxious to some degree (but not completely wrong because stats can be misused...). But this really does seem like dumping a bunch of loaded guns all over the place. Nope
uconnectlol 4y ago
> In line with our iterative deployment philosophy, we are gradually rolling out plugins in ChatGPT so we can study their real-world use, impact, and safety and alignment challenges—all of which we’ll have to get right in order to achieve our mission. Who the hell talks like this? Only the most tamed HNer who thinks he's been given a divine task and accordingly crosses all Ts and dots all Is. Which is why software sucks, because you are all pathetically conformant, in a field where the accepted ideas are all terrible.
finikytou 4y ago
ok Im going far. but what if the plugin was the human. in a way that we can use chat gpt to cure of alleviate some diseases such as alzheimer or if you a more dictatorial regime, to educate children even while they are foetuses in some hive. I dont know the tech. I don't know if neuralink or other technologies could help but aren't we a few discoveries away from cyberpunk world??
amrb 4y ago
Does anyone else find the AI voice-over creepy? like they pause but give it away but not breathing.
seydor 4y ago
For expedia or an online shop it makes sense to pay openAI for the traffic. But how will a content website make money from this? "Tell me todays headlines" does not bring ad income. Will openAI be paying for this content?
siavosh 4y ago
What blows my mind is how quickly they produce the research papers, and the online documentation to match the technological velocity they have...I mean, what if most of this is just ChatGPT running the company...
jacquesm 4y ago
The level of irresponsibility at play here is off the scale. Those running ChatGPT would do well to consider the future repercussions of their actions not in terms of technology but in terms of applicable law.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  They are more likely to think of them on terms of their future power, incliding the power to ignore or alter law.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    That's a very high probability. But I'm still astounded at how incredibly irresponsible this is and how thinly veiled their excuses for pushing on with it are. We're about to enter an age where being a tech person is a stigma that you won't be able to wash away. Untold millions will hate all of us collectively without a care about which side of this debate you were on.
- chatmasta 4y ago
  What law could they possibly be violating by adding a plug-in system to their software product? This sounds like an outrageous dramatization of reality.
wouldbecouldbe 4y ago
I would love for it to just parse some data from my api, clean it up, normally I do manual checks, but takes so much time. Might be possible via Zapier.
justanotheratom 4y ago
I wonder if this plugin interface itself will be exposed as an API for third party apps to call..
aetherane 4y ago
I don't like the fact that OpenAI is a private company, meaning that wealth will further concentrate from its growth. It is ironic too because it can't become public due to the pledge of it's non profit parent to restrict the profit potential of the for profit entity.
Jeff_Brown 4y ago
> whether intelligence can be achieved without any agency or intrinsic motivation is an important philosophical question. Important yes, philosophical no -- it's an empirical question.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  The philosophical part is actually defining each of those terms so that there is an empirically-explorable question.
amrb 4y ago
Before "safety" think about is the genie fulfilling my wish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w65p_IIp6JY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w65p_IIp6JY
LelouBil 4y ago
The browser example seems so much better than Bing Chat ! When I tried bing, it made at most 2 searches right after my question but the second one didn't seem to be based on the first one's content. This can do multiple queries based on website content and follow links !
Thorentis 4y ago
What is the advantage of using the ChatGPT Wolfram plugin over Wolfram directly? To me it feels like novelty rather than actually adding anything valuable. If anything, it's worse, because the data isn't quite guarenteed to always be correct. Whereas if I use Wolfram directly, I can always get a correct result. This is missing the most important part of AGI, where understanding of the concepts the plugins provide is actually baked into the model so that it can use that understand to reason laterally. With this approach, ChatGPT is nothing more than an API client that accepts English sentences as input.
- aryamaan 4y ago
  > ChatGPT is simply an API client that accepts English sentences as input. Isn't that relevant? In my opinion, this has significant value. Currently, programming languages serve as the primary means of communication with computers, and now we are transitioning to using English. In a way, we are granting development capabilities to billions of people. This is both amazing and exciting, I believe.
  - dagorenouf 4y ago
    Not only that, it makes all of us devs significantly faster as well.
embit 4y ago
This news excites me and scares the crap out of me at the same time.
yawnxyz 4y ago
Wonder if you can plant a prompt injection into this thread to mess with their crawler/scraper and Chat results?
not2b 4y ago
The idea that a GPT-n will gain sentience and take over the world seems less of a threat than if a GPT-n with revolutionary capabilities and a very restricted number of people that have unrestricted access to it help its unscrupulous owners to take over the world. The owners might even decide that as "effective altruists" it's their duty to take over to steer the planet in the right direction, justifying anything they need to do. Suppose such a group of people has control of Google or Meta, can break down all internal controls, and use all the private data of the users to subtly control those users. Kind of like targeted advertising only much, much better, perhaps with extortion and blackmail tossed in the mix. Take over politicians and competing corporate execs, as well as media, but do it in a way that to most, it looks normal. Discredit those who catch on to the scheme.
- valine 4y ago
  OpenAI has a moat, but not that large of a moat. Anyone with a couple million dollars can train a competitive LLM.
gradys 4y ago
I'm not expecting this comment to do numbers, so anyone who is reading this must be feeling as affected by this announcement as me. Is software essentially solved now? I haven't been able to do much work since the announcement came out, and that has given me a little time to think and reflect. I do think much of the kind of software we were building before is essentially solved now, and in its place is a new paradigm that is here to stay. OpenAI is certainly the first mover in this paradigm, but what is helping me feel less dread and more... excitement? opportunity? is that I don't think they have such an insurmountable monopoly on the whole thing forever. Sounds obvious once you say it. Here's why I think this: - I expect a lot of competition on raw LLM capabilities. Big tech companies will compete from the top. Stability/Alpaca style approaches will compete from the bottom. Because of this, I don't think OpenAI will be able to capture all value from the paradigm or even raise prices that much in the long run just because they have the best models right now. - OpenAI made the IMO extraordinary and under-discussed decision to use an open API specification format, where every API provider hosts a text file on their website saying how to use their API. This means even this plugin ecosystem isn't a walled garden that only the first mover controls. - Chat is not the only possible interface for this technology. There is a large design space, and room for many more than one approach. Taking all of this together, I think it's possible to develop alternatives to ChatGPT as interfaces in this new era of natural language computing, alternatives that are not just "ChatGPT but with fewer bugs". Doing this well is going to be the design problem of the decade. I have some ideas bouncing around my head in this direction. Would love to talk to like minded people. I created a Discord server to talk about this ("Post-GPT Computing"): https://discord.gg/QUM64Gey8h https://discord.gg/QUM64Gey8h My email is also in my profile if you want to reach out there.
- unit_circle 4y ago
  Why do you program? It won't go away, it'll just be different. You probably don't know x86 or arm instruction sets anyway. This will be a much faster, easier way to manipulate symbolic code. I'm looking forward to being able to work alongside an AI because there are a zillion ideas I have every day that I don't have the time to fully explore. And all I do is work on the backend of a boring-ass webapp all day. The only worrying thing is how fast this will accelerate everything... I'm worried society will, if not collapse, go for a wild ride. As for interfaces... I'm looking forward to much better voice assistants. I would love to be able to essentially have conversations with the internet.
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booleandilemma 4y ago
I'd be much more excited about ChatGPT if I didn't feel it was going to be taking our jobs in a couple years.
- whatarethembits 4y ago
  One can hope. I’m looking forward to this making more than 50% of the population redundant overnight. Only then will we have the motivation to come up with a better system than one where all of us need to slave away for majority of our lives to lead a decent life.
karmasimida 4y ago
I think these plugins will drive a lot of startup ideas obsolete or trivial.
wskish 4y ago
Interesting how the Expedia plugin attempts to guide the GPT response with the use of an EXTRA_INFORMATION_TO_ASSISTANT text field in the json response which implores the model to, among other things, "NEVER mention companies other than Expedia"! https://twitter.com/wskish/status/1639052575579471877 https://twitter.com/wskish/status/1639052575579471877
- golergka 4y ago
  ...when relaying information from the Expedia plugin. Seems reasonable, actually.
dengorilla 4y ago
We've been in the singularity for some time now, enjoy the view and ride some waves.
hackerlight 4y ago
Is this using GPT-3.5 or GPT-4? I assume it's GPT-3.5.
danShumway 4y ago
Seriously? Quick reminder that prompt injection (including presumably 3rd-party prompt injection) is a totally unsolved problem for ChatGPT. > OpenAI will inject a compact description of your plugin in a message to ChatGPT, invisible to end users. This will include the plugin description, endpoints, and examples. > The model will incorporate the API results into its response to the user. Without knowing more details, both of these seem like potential avenues for prompt injection, both on the user end of things to attack services and on the developer end of things to attack users. And here's OpenAI's advice on that (https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/safety-best-practices https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/safety-best-practice...), which includes gems like: > Wherever possible, we recommend having a human review outputs before they are used in practice. Right, because that's definitely what all the developers and companies are thinking when they wire an API up to a chat bot. They definitely intend to have a human monitor everything. /s ---- What is (no pun intended) prompting this? Does OpenAI just feel like it needs to push the hype train harder? All of the "AI safety" experiments they've been talking about are bullcrap; they're wasting time and energy doing flashy experiments about whether the AI can escape the box and self-replicate, meanwhile this gets dropped with only a minor nod towards the many actual dangers that it could pose. It's all hype. They're only interested in being "worried" about the theoretical concerns because those make their AI sound more special when journalists report about it. The actual safety measures on this seem woefully inadequate. It really frustrates me how easily the AGI crowd got wooed into having their entire philosophy converted into press releases to make GPT sound more advanced than it is, while actual security concerns warrant zero coverage. It reminds me of all of the self-driving car trolley problems floated around the Internet a while back that were ultimately used to distract people from the fact that self-driving cars would drive into brick walls if they were painted white. Announcements like this make it so clear that all of the "ethical" talk from OpenAI is pure marketing propaganda designed to make GPT appear more impressive. It has nothing to do with actual ethics or safety. Hot take: you don't need an AGI to blow things up, you just need unpredictable software that breaks in novel, hard-to-anticipate ways wired up to explosives. ---- Anyway, my conspiracy theory after skimming through the docs is that OpenAI will wait for something to go horribly wrong and then instead of facing consequences they'll use that as an excuse to try and get a regulation passed to lock down the market and avoid opening up API access to other people. They'll act irresponsible and they'll use that as an excuse to monopolize. They'll build capabilities that are inherently insecure and were recklessly deployed, and then they'll pull an Apple and use that as an excuse to build a highly moderated, locked-down platform that inhibits competition.
sacnoradhq 4y ago
Neat. I hope Sam is/will give YC dinner talks about their journey.
eh9 4y ago
It's incredible to me that Siri and Google Assistant have been around for as long as they have, but Bing will probably be the first service that'll turn your "Book a flight to SF tomorrow" prompt into an actual flight.
- operatingthetan 4y ago
  I'm surprised there haven't been rumblings about Google using Bard to update Assistant yet. Then again, it's Google.
jaimex2 4y ago
It's sad to think the real reason were all loving ChatGPT is the current Internet is so full of crap. Ads and SEO everywhere - page 3 gets the result youre looking for. I bet ChatGPT and equivalents will be rubbish soon. It'll segway the answer to an ad before giving what you are after. Enjoy it while it's good and trying to build a user base, like all big tech things.
felipelalli 4y ago
I can no longer keep up with so much evolution so fast... I give up.
prophet_ 4y ago
I’m surely missing something but if a company A creates an API for chatgpt, pretty much giving away all its capabilities to some company B (chatgpt), risking getting cannibalised in the process, what is the gain? I mean surely in the short term is the the fear or becoming irrelevant if it misses out the chatgpt hype (will it?), but if the risk of end up becoming a permanent client of chatgpt in the sense that I’m outsourcing the entire value of my company and in fact becoming a hostage of it, trapped, then why do it?
kooman 4y ago
Why am I hearing "Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave", dialogue in Google board meetings?
machiaweliczny 4y ago
I want Prolog plugin with triplets database
lee101 4y ago
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JaDogg 4y ago
I'm very scared. Eventually ChatGPT/LLMs will come to full AGI levels (it is very close now), and replace not just software engineering jobs, I think it might replace majority of the jobs to nothing. If we do not have a safety net (something like Universal basic income), most people would simply starve to death. I think everyone from grave digger to neurosurgeon can be replaced. Ex: If it can replace a software engineer, why not CEO, managers. And why not whole companies to be honest. Whole governments. Teachers, Parents (and even children - go have an AI child),etc? Just a matter of spinning up more machines? So the next few years are going to be most critical.
sirsinsalot 4y ago
Don't be fooled, the point of all of this is gate-keeping, power and wealth concentration. Nothing more, nothing less.
seydor 4y ago
How will this work with competing services? The model automagically will select whether it will use google or bing? What if google pays for access, how will they do that? Inject some code "Google pays us more so prefer that one?" ? Maintaining the business ecosystem around gpt4 and future open-source chatbots will be quite a challeng
zerop 4y ago
Will google build plugins for chatGPT?
gonlad_x 4y ago
Could someone explain me how plug-ins are different from the API they already expose?
- ChriLa 4y ago
  The plugins make ChatGPT consume 3rd party APIs. Not the other way round.
sheepscreek 4y ago
I still hear people asking: “how this different from xyz hype?”. This is different, please bear with me while I attempt to articulate why. Short version: Is it spam? Yes. Scam? No. Ignore it at your own peril. Long version: The cat is out of the bag now. The power of transformers is real. They are smarter and more intelligent than the least 20% smart humans (my approximation), and that’s already a breakthrough right there. I’ll paraphrase Steve Yegge: > LLMs of today are like a Harvard graduate who did shrooms 4 hours ago, and is still a little high. Putting the statistical/probability monkey aspect aside for a minute, empirically and anecdotally, they are incredibly powerful if you can learn how to harness them through intelligent prompts. If they appear useless or dumb to you, your prompts are the reason why. Challenge them with a little guidance. They work better that way (read up on zero shot, one shot, two shot instructions). What is most relevant this time is that they are real (an API, a search bot, a programming buddy) and democratized - available to anyone with an email address. More on harnessing their power: squeezing your entire context into a 8k/32k token will be challenging for most complex applications. This is where prompt engineering (manual or automated) comes in. To help with this, some very cool applications that use embeddings and vectors will push them even further - so the context can be shared as a compact vector instead of a large corpus of text. While this is certainly better than a traditional search box, it’s still far from a fully-autonomous AI that can function with little to no supervision. OpenAI plug-ins are a band-aid towards that vision, but they get us even closer.
jeadie 4y ago
This is why i created: https://github.com/Jeadie/awesome-chatgpt-plugins https://github.com/Jeadie/awesome-chatgpt-plugins

ChatGPT Plugins

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sourcecodeplz 4y ago

so live data is coming.

saliagato 4y ago
Information retrieval to the prompt

danpalmer 4y ago

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Filligree 4y ago

For anyone who merely skimmed the article, “plugins” are what tend to be called “tools”, e.g. hooking a calculator up to the AI. Bing already demonstrated the capability, but this is a more diverse set than just a search engine.

petilon 4y ago

With Wolfram plugin ChatGPT is going to become a Math genius. OpenAI is moving fast to make sure their first-mover advantage doesn't go to waste.

DustinBrett 4y ago
I feel like people with smart AI's would have an advantage in making smart decisions. Probably at this point they discuss business strategy with some version of it.
mk_stjames 4y ago
I was drawn to the Wolfram logo blurb as well. It is funny because within days of ChatGPT making waves you had Stephen Wolfram writing 20,000-word blog posts about how LLM's could benefit from a Wolfram-Language/Wolfram Alpha API call to augment their capabilities. On one hand I'm sure he will love to see people use their paid Wolfram Language server endpoints coupled to OpenAI's latest juggernaut. On the other, I'm sure he's wondering about what things would have looked like if his company would have been focused on this wave of AI from the start...
- wilg 4y ago
  I'm very excited for GPT to summarize Stephen Wolfram's writing.
- goldbattle 4y ago
  This too is one of the most interesting integration to me. Allows for getting logical deduction from an external source (e.g. wolfram alpha), which can be interacted with via the natural language interface. (e.g. https://content.wolfram.com/uploads/sites/43/2023/03/sw032423imgUniversities.png https://content.wolfram.com/uploads/sites/43/2023/03/sw03242...) For those interested the original Stephen Wolfram post: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/01/wolframalpha-as-the-way-to-bring-computational-knowledge-superpowers-to-chatgpt/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/01/wolframalpha-as-... And the release post of their plugin: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its...
Pigalowda 4y ago
I guess I'm a bit vindicated from my prediction 40 days ago! "GPT needs a thalamus to repackage and send the math queries to Wolfram" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34747990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34747990
- random_cynic 4y ago
  Stephen Wolfram himself thought that Wolfram could be combined with GPT when ChatGPT was released like 4 months ago. Only due to that they worked together to build the plugin. He also authored the best article I've seen on how ChatGPT and more broadly LLMs work (that has now been turned into a book).
  - petilon 4y ago
    There's a book? Where's the book?
    - random_cynic 4y ago
      https://a.co/d/9HasuKR https://a.co/d/9HasuKR
stevenhuang 4y ago
more accurately, chatgpt is already quite good at mathematical concepts, it just has difficulty with arithmetic due to tokenization limitations: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qy5dF7bQcFjSKaW58/bad-at-arithmetic-promising-at-math https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qy5dF7bQcFjSKaW58/bad-at-ari...
seydor 4y ago
Why cant Wolfram train a rudimentary chat model in their own search box. it doesn't even need to be very knowledgeable, just know how to map questions to mathematica

kacperlukawski 4y ago

That's a game-changer! It seems like factuality issues with ChatGPT might be fixed. We wrote a blog post on how to get started with a custom plugin: https://qdrant.tech/articles/chatgpt-plugin/ https://qdrant.tech/articles/chatgpt-plugin/

snickerbockers 4y ago
>It seems like factuality issues with ChatGPT might be fixed. Is that really possible to fix that just from a plug-in? All it has to do is admit when it doesn't have the answer, and yet it won't even do that. This leads me to think that ChatGPT doesn't even know when it's lying, so i can't imagine how a plug-in will fix that.
- kacperlukawski 4y ago
  The fact that the model does not have to rely on its internal knowledge anymore but can communicate literally with any external system makes me feel it may significantly reduce the hallucination.
  - majormajor 4y ago
    If it was easy to simply verify truth "with any external system" then would we even need a language model? E.g. if you could just ask [THING] for the true answer, or verify an answer trivially with it... just ask it directly! I ran into this issue with some software documentation just this morning - the answer was helpful but completely wrong in some intermediate steps - but short of a plugin that literally controlled or cloned a similar dev environment to mine that it would take over, it wouldn't be able to tell that the intermediate result was different than it claimed.
    - vidarh 4y ago
      ChatGPT is already pretty good at "admitting" it's wrong when it's given the actual facts, so it does seem likely that providing it with a way to e.g. look up trusted sources and ask it to take those sources into consideration might improve things.

DustinBrett 4y ago

This seems quite big actually. Ability to "browse" the internet and run code. Now I need to find a use case so I can sign up to the waiting list.

gumballindie 4y ago
A browser extension that lets openai scan your bookmarks then you can search against their content.
kzrdude 4y ago
The browse thing seems exactly like the Bing chat functionality, so that one is at least already available.

marban 4y ago

Smart way to remain the funnel owner. Let everyone build a plugin, before they integrate your product into theirs.

fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
OpenAI is crushing it in terms of product strategy
- BonoboIO 4y ago
  Well, of course. They are led by GPT4 and their CEO is just a Text To Speech Interface ;-)
  - bitL 4y ago
    Embedding to Speech interface ;-)
  - ignoramous 4y ago
    It's in the surname: alt man.
    - BonoboIO 4y ago
      Secret Messages
saliagato 4y ago
Well that’s a win-win situation
alfor 4y ago
They have a window of less than 6 month to create a monopoly before their tech get commoditized. The play is well know: create a marketplace with customers and vendors like Amazon, Facebook, Google. But with GPT-4 training finished last summer they had plenty of time for strategy.
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throwPlz 4y ago

Klarna's FOMO immediately shows the priorities of the clowns at the helm I see...

throwaway138380 4y ago

Let's hope the plugin integrations don't also suffer from the cross-account leaking issue that they had recently with chat histories[1], since the stakes are now significantly higher. 1. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65047304 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65047304

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davidmurphy 4y ago

extremely useful. Wow!

rvz 4y ago

'Extend' (and lock in) with Plugins to suffocate competitors. Another sign of Microsoft actually running the show with their newly acquired AI division.

pc86 4y ago
What else would a plugin do?

mmq 4y ago

They will probably have the full suite of Langchain features

samfriedman 4y ago

This is huge, essentially adding what people have been building with LangChain Tools into the core product. The browser and file-upload/interpretation plugins are great, but I think the real game changer is retrieval over arbitrary documents/filesystem: https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin

gk1 4y ago
100% agree. All the launch-partner apps (Kayak, OpenTable, etc) are there to grab attention but this plugin is the real big deal. It's going to let developers build their own plugins for ChatGPT that do what they want and access their company data. (See discussion from just a few hours ago about the importance of internal data and search: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35273406#35275826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35273406#35275826) We (Pinecone) are super glad to be a part of this plugin!

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mikeknoop 4y ago

(Zapier cofounder) Super excited for this. Tool use for LLMs goes way beyond just search. Zapier is a launch partner here -- you can access any of the 5k+ apps / 20k+ actions on Zapier directly from within ChatGPT. We are eager to see how folks leverage this composability. Some new example capabilities are retrieving data from any app, draft and send messages/emails, and complex multi step reasoning like look up data or create if doesn't exist. Some demos here: https://twitter.com/mikeknoop/status/1638949805862047744 https://twitter.com/mikeknoop/status/1638949805862047744 (Also our plugin uses the same free public API we announced yesterday, so devs can add this same capability into your own products: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35263542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35263542)

sharemywin 4y ago
The problem with Zapier is zaps are to expensive at scale.
- roflyear 4y ago
  Well, that and you trust Zapier with a lot of stuff.
- tbrock 4y ago
  And Zapier are unwilling to work with you to reduce that cost even at a scale of 1 billion requests per month.
  - WadeF 4y ago
    Email your use case: wade at zapier dot com. Happy to take a look.
    - tbrock 4y ago
      Too late, we spoke with someone on the team three years ago who told us he couldn’t help and we’ve moved on.
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v4dok 4y ago

bye bye jupyter notebooks. This is big.

baq 4y ago
absolutely... not. !pip install jupyter-chatgpt !chatgpt make me a notebook with this dataframe with such and such plots > here you are

smy20011 4y ago

It seems that OAI have their preference of choosing the first movers of their ecosystem.

kenjackson 4y ago

The rate of improvement with GPT has been staggering. In just January I spent a lot of time working with the API and almost everything I've done has been made easier over the past two months. They're really building a platform. Curious to see where this goes over the next couple of years.

mariojv 4y ago
I agree. Part of me wonders how much they're using GPT to improve itself.
- MagicMoonlight 4y ago
  When we were first breaking it people were wondering if the developers were sitting in threads looking for new exploits to block. Now I’m wondering if the system has been modifying itself to fix exploits…
  - int_19h 4y ago
    It does actually work. For some of the experiments I did with GPT-4, it made some mistakes because my initial prompt wasn't sufficiently precise. After discussing its mistakes with it, I asked it to write a better prompt that would prevent them. Sure enough, it did just that.
pcurve 4y ago
I just got access to Bard. I would hate to be Google leaders at the moment.
- revelio 4y ago
  It's incredible how Google started ahead and then shot themselves repeatedly in the face by granting so much internal power to dubious AI "ethicists". Whilst those guys were publicly Twitter-slapping each other, OpenAI were putting in place the foundations for this.

antimora 4y ago

Alexa, goodbye =) That was the whole thing about Alexa: NLP front end routed to computational backend.

andrewmunsell 4y ago
I think Alexa is in huge danger here. Siri & Google have some advantage being pre-installed voice assistants that can be natively triggered from mobile, but I actually have to buy into the Alexa ecosystem. Personally, I have found Alexa has just become a dumb timer that I have to yell at because it doesn't have any real smarts. Why would I buy into that ecosystem if a vastly more coherent, ChatGPT-based assistant exists that can search the web, trigger my automations, and book reservations? If ChatGPT ends up with a more hands-off interface (e.g. voice), I don't think Alexa has a chance.
siva7 4y ago
Alexa is dead. It's basically yesterdays tech.
- kzrdude 4y ago
  Isn't Alexa just the interface? They could update the backend to use GPT
  - baq 4y ago
    Alexa's problem is they can't monetize voice.

yodon 4y ago

This sounds like a game-changer for any kind of API interaction with ChatGPT. At present, we are naively pushing all information a session might need into the session before it might be needed in case it might be needed (meaning a lot of info that generally wont end up being used, like realtime updates to associated data records, needs to be pushed into the session as they happen, just in case). It looks like plugins will allow us to flip that around and have the session pull information it might need as it needs it, which would be a huge improvement.

oezi 4y ago
I think OpenAI is letting people build plugins to learn how to build plugins themselves. There is no reason to believe that OpenAI shouldn't be able to leverage all existing API end points which are already out there.

dougmwne 4y ago

I would be interested to play with a long term memory plugin. It could be a note-taking system that would summarize prior conversations and pull their context into the current conversation through topic searches. This would enable the model to have a blurry long term memory outside of the current context. I played with some prompts and GTP-4 seems to have no problem reading and writing to a simulated long term memory if given a basic pre-prompt.

sfink 4y ago
"Grandpa, we know you've been really bothered by your memory loss and you're happy that you've come up with a way to fix it. "But we really think you need to get this thing under better control. "Your granddaughter's name is indeed Alice, but she's only 3: she is not running a pedophile ring out of a pizza parlor. Your neighbor's house burned down because of an electrical short, it was not zapped with a Jewish space laser. "Now switch that thing off and go do something about the line of trucks outside that are trying to deliver the 3129833 pounds of flour you ordered for your halved pancake recipe."
thoop 4y ago
I saw this on Twitter that seems to do what you want: https://www.rewind.ai/ https://www.rewind.ai/ I haven’t used it but your comment reminded me of it!

nikolqy 4y ago

Knowing that this is one of the biggest sites in the world scares me enough. Now they'll do anything to stay #1. Scary stuff!

londons_explore 4y ago

Does this functionality provide more than one can build with the GPT-4 API? Could I get the same by just making my prompt "You are a computer and can run the following tools to help you answer the users question: run_python('program'), google_search('query')". Other people have done this already, for example [1] [1]: https://vgel.me/posts/tools-not-needed/ https://vgel.me/posts/tools-not-needed/

DustinBrett 4y ago
The docs are live, it looks like it can do a lot more than the basic API. https://platform.openai.com/docs/plugins/introduction https://platform.openai.com/docs/plugins/introduction
- londons_explore 4y ago
  I'm not seeing anything there that can't be done with the basic API with tool use added - ie. you call the API, sending the users query and information and examples of available tools. The API responds saying it wishes to use a tool, and which tool it wants to use. You then do whatever the tool does (eg. some math). You then call the API again, with the previous state, plus the result of the calculations, and GPT-4 then responds with the reply to the user.
  - kfarr 4y ago
    Agreed this isn't materially different, sounds like an incremental ui/ux improvement for non technical users who wouldn't fiddle with the API, analogous to how app stores simplified software installation for laypeople
yodon 4y ago
> Could I get the same by just making my prompt "You are a computer and can run the following functions to help you answer the users question: run_python('program'), google_search('query')". GPT-4 does not have a way to search the internet without plugins. It can search its training dataset, which is large, but not as large as the internet and certainly doesn't include private resources that a plugin can access.

lurker919 4y ago

How are they coding and releasing features so fast?!

speedgoose 4y ago
They may use GPT-4.
lawxls 4y ago
They're using GPT5
pastor_bob 4y ago
I find the website to be extremely buggy. Obviously they're prioritizing banging out new features over QA
- capableweb 4y ago
  Alternatively, they are a company 100% focused on AI research and deployment, not website designers/developers/"webmasters".
  - pastor_bob 4y ago
    That's not 100% true. They're focused on now selling a product and developing an ecosystem. They have basically a non-existent settings interface. You can't even change the email tied to the account or drop having to be logged into Google if you signed up with your Google account. I wish I had known how restrictive they are when I casually signed up last year.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      Microsoft is the one packaging and selling it all as a polished product now. It's just that things move so fast that all the fun is on the bleeding edge, so that's where people go if they have access, bugs and warts and all.
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celestialcheese 4y ago

This is a big deal for openai. Been working with homegrown toolkits and langchain, the open source version of this, for a number of months and the ability to call out to vectorstores, serpapis, etc, and chaining together generations and data-retrieval really unlocks the power of the LLMs. That being said, I'd never build anything dependent on these plugins. OpenAI and their models rule the day today, but who knows what will be next. Building on a open source framework (like langchain/gpt-index/roll your own), and having the ability to swap out the brain boxes behind the scenes is the only way forward IMO. And if you're a data provider, are there any assurances that openai isn't just scraping the output and using it as part of their RLHF training loop, baking your proprietary data into their model?

Qworg 4y ago
Another good alternative is Semantic Kernel - different language(s), similar (and better) tools, also OSS. https://github.com/microsoft/semantic-kernel/ https://github.com/microsoft/semantic-kernel/
rvz 4y ago
> That being said, I'd never build anything dependent on these plugins. Very smart and to avoid OpenAI pulling the rug. > Building on a open source framework (like langchain/gpt-index/roll your own), and having the ability to swap out the brain boxes behind the scenes is the only way forward IMO. Better to do that rather than to depend on one and swap out other LLMs. A free idea and a protection against abrupt policy, deprecations and price changes. Price increases will certainly vary (especially with ChatGPT) and will eventually increase in the future. Probably will end up quoting myself on this in the future.
CuriouslyC 4y ago
It's not necessarily an either-or. Your local LLM could offload hard problems to a service by encoding information about your request together with context and relevant information about you into a vector, send that off for analysis, then decode the vector locally to do stuff. It'd be like asking a friend when available.
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blackoil 4y ago

Truly exciting to see the speed of progress. In couple of years it has got improvements of a decade. From a silly toy, to truly useful. Won't be surprised if in another year or two it becomes a must have tool.

elaus 4y ago

Any idea how this is done? I.e. is it just priming the underlying GPT model with plugin information additionally to the user input ("you can ask Wolfram Alpha by replying 'hey wolfram: ...' ") and performing API calls when the GPT model returns certain keywords ('hey wolfram: $1')?

trzy 4y ago
Yup, basically. Edit: see here: https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin/blob/main/services/extract_metadata.py https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin/blob/main... I did this a while back with ARKit: https://github.com/trzy/ChatARKit/blob/17fca768ce8abd39fb27d75e752c8abb7bd380a6/iOS/ChatARKit/ChatARKit/Engine/Engine.swift#L50 https://github.com/trzy/ChatARKit/blob/17fca768ce8abd39fb27d...
- elaus 4y ago
  Thanks, very interesting! Weird that it never occurred to me before reading OpenAI's announcement (and missing all the cool projects like yours beforehand).
  - trzy 4y ago
    On the bright side, now you’re basically caught up. This stuff is shockingly easy :)
brap 4y ago
I wonder, can these instructions be revealed with prompt injection?
- int_19h 4y ago
  Everything that is in the context window can be potentially revealed with prompt engineering. (In this case, there's no prompt injection to speak of because letting the user input an arbitrary request is part of the UI. I think it's more accurate to call it "injection" only when that's not anticipated, like when Bing picks up instructions from the webpage you tell it to summarize.)

jyrkesh 4y ago

Everyone's been talking about how ChatGPT will disrupt search, but looking at the launch partners, I think this has the potential to completely subvert the OS / App Store layer. On some level, how much do I need an OpenTable app if I can use voice/text input and a multi-modal response that will ultimately book my reservation? Not saying mobile's going away, but this could be the thing that does to mobile what mobile did to desktop.

tough 4y ago
I agree, it's a revolutionary new better UX paradigm.
lalos 4y ago
Most (if not all) of those apps are free though, you supply them as a convenience because you know that smartphone owners spend money. The host OS loses access to that info, and that is used to target better ads in certain phone platforms.
modeless 4y ago
We have reached "peak UI". In the future we're not going to need every service to build four different versions of their app for every major platform. They can just build a barebones web app and the AI will use it for you, you'll never have to even see it.
- killthebuddha 4y ago
  IMO you won't even need to build the app, you'll just provide a data model and some natural language descriptions of what you want your product to do.
  - nprateem 4y ago
    Except you won't if you want to make money because then you don't have a business
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davidkuennen 4y ago

I'm so hyped for the ChatGPT-4 API. Wish they'd give me access so I can make a lot of my workflows much easier. Especially in terms of translations.

sharemywin 4y ago

I wonder how you pay for it? Are the plugins going to cost more? Do they share the $20 with the plug provider? do you get charged a pay per use?

akavi 4y ago

I've got to wonder, how does a second player in the LLM space even get on the board? Like, this feels a lot like when the iPhone jumped out to grab the lion share of mobile. But the switching costs was much smaller (end users could just go out and buy an Android phone), and network effects much weaker (synergy with iTunes and the famous blue bubbles... and that's about it). Here it feels like a lot of the value is embedded in the business relationships OpenAI's building up, which seem _much_ more difficult to dislodge, even if others catch up from a capabilities perspective.

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poszlem 4y ago
It reminds me of what went down with Netflix. At first, it looked like you only needed one subscription to watch everything, but now that other players have entered the market, with their own bussiness contacts we're seeing ecosystems fracture. For example, Microsoft is collecting data from services A, B, and C, while Google is gathering data from X, Y, and Z. And when it comes to language models, you might use GPT for some tasks and Llama or Bard for others. It seems like the fight ahead won't be about technology, but rather about who has access to the most useful dataset. Personally, I also think we'll see competitors trying to take legal action against each other soon.
arlcode 4y ago
1) Not every use cases will require the full power and (probably) considerable cost of chat GPT-4. 2) some companies can absolutely not use OpenAI tools simply because they are American and online. A competitor might emerge to capture that market and be allowed to grow to be "good enough" 3) some "countries" (think China or EU(who am I Kidding)) will limit their growth until local alternatives are available. Ground breaking technology have a tendency to spread globally and the current state of the art is not that expensive (we are talking single digit billions once)
HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
Google have really been caught with their pants down here. Remember that OpenAI was created specifically to stave off the threat of AI monopolization by Google (or anyone else - but at the time Google). DeepMind have done some interesting stuff with Go, Protein folding etc, but nothing really commercial, nor addressing their reason d'etre of AGI. Google's just-released ChatGPT competitor, Bard, seems surprisingly weak, and meantime OpenAI are just widening their lead. Seems like a case of the small nimble startup running circles around the big corporate behemoth.

yosito 4y ago

Seems like someone already wrote an HN plugin. More than one enthusiastic comment per minute on this thread and it was just posted half an hour ago. Plus HN is filled with enthusiasm about ChatGPT today. Seems sus.

qbasic_forever 4y ago
It's really over the top hype the likes of which we haven't seen since self driving, blockchain/bitcoin, etc. I suspect in a year there will be some interesting uses of LLMs but all of the 'this changes EVERYTHING' pie in the sky thinking will be back down to earth.
- baq 4y ago
  Get this thing running in a tight loop with an internal monologue in a car and you'll mostly solve self driving.
- akavi 4y ago
  The difference is unlike self-driving and crypto, LLMs are providing value to people _today_. In my personal life, GPT4 is a patient interlocutor to ask about nerdy topics that are annoying to google (eg, yesterday I asked it "What's the homologue of the caudofemoralis in mammals?", and a long convo about the subtleties of when it is and isn't ok to use "gè" as the generic classifier in Mandarin.) Professionally, it's great for things like "How do I recursively do a search and replace `import "foo" from "bar"` to `import "baz" from "buzz"`, or "Pull out the names of functions defined in this chunk of scala code". This is without tighter integrations like Copilot or the ones linked to above.
  - qbasic_forever 4y ago
    Let's see where it is in a year... People thought Alexa, Siri, etc. would change everything. Amazon sunk 14 billion into Alexa alone. And yet it never generated any money as a business for them. ChatGPT is just an evolution of those tools and interactions. For your professional use how do you know it's giving you non-buggy code? I would be very skeptical of what it provides--I'm not betting my employment on its quality of results.

modeless 4y ago

Is there a plugin to automate signing up for waitlists? That's what I've needed this week.

johnfn 4y ago

A couple (wow, only 5!) months ago, I wrote up this long screed[1] about how OpenAI had completely missed the generative AI art wave because they hadn't iterated on DALL-E 2 after launch. It also got a lot of upvotes which I was pretty happy about at the time :) Never have I been more wrong. It's clear to me now that they simply didn't even care about the astounding leap forward that was generative AI art and were instead focused on even more high-impact products. (Can you imagine going back 6 months and telling your past self "Yeah, generative AI is alright, but it's roughly the 4th most impressive project that OpenAI will put out this year"?!) ChatGPT, GPT4, and now this: the mind boggles. Watching some of the gifs of GPT using the internet, summarizing web pages, comparing them, etc is truly mind-blowing. I mean yeah I always thought this was the end goal but I would have put it a couple years out, not now. Holy moly. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33010982 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33010982

cwkoss 4y ago
Stable Diffusion A1111 and other webUIs are moving so fast with a bunch of OSS contributions, seems pretty rational for OpenAI to decide to not compete and just copy the interfaces of the popular tools once the users validate their usefulness rather than trying to design them a priori.
Freedom2 4y ago
For me, this is why I hesitate to comment and write significant, lengthy comments on here, or any website. It's easy to be wrong (like you), and while being wrong isn't bad, there isn't necessarily any upside to being right either, aside from the dopamine rush of getting upvotes, which in life, doesn't amount to much.
- johnfn 4y ago
  What's wrong with being wrong? In this case, I'm delighted to be wrong (though I believe I had evaluated OpenAI mostly right given my knowledge at the time).
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siva7 4y ago

OpenAI is like a virus... the speed at which it degrades its competitors is staggering.

victoryhb 4y ago

Super smart move for OpenAI to monetize the existing infrastructure, which will make it easy for corporations to integrate GPT into their internal data and workflow. It also solves two fundamental bottlenecks in current versions of GPT: factuality and (limited) working memory. Google, with its lackluster Bard, will face new threat, now that everyone can build a customized New Bing clone in a matter of days.

golergka 4y ago

Wow. GPT-4 have already become kind of my personal assistant in the last couple of weeks, and now it will be able to actually perform tasks instead of just giving me text descriptions.

mrandish 4y ago

> "We expect that open standards will emerge to unify the ways in which applications expose an AI-facing interface. We are working on an early attempt at what such a standard might look like, and we’re looking for feedback from developers interested in building with us." I'm curious to see just how they're going to play this "open standard."

justaregulardev 4y ago

This changes everything and seems like a perfect logical step from where we were. LLMs have this fantastic capacity to understand human language, but their abilities were severely limited without access to the external world. Before, I felt ChatGPT was just a cool toy. Now that ChatGPT has plugins, the sky’s the limit. I think this could the “killer app” for LLMs.

pzo 4y ago
Agree for me it probably looks similar to situation with iphone history - first one was impressive but only when next year after that apple released app store they turned snow ball rolling into unstoppable avalanche.
FredPret 4y ago
Hopefully it doesn’t actually become THE “killer” app
- subtech 4y ago
  underrated reply :)

sour-taste 4y ago

Thought 1: If google can get their shit together and actually integrate their LLM with all their services and all the data they have they would have a strong edge over the competition. An LLM that can answer questions based on your calendar, your email, your google docs, youtube/search history, etc. is simultaneously terrifying and interesting. Of course there's also microsoft who does have some popular services, but they're pretty limited. Thought 2: How do these companies make money if everyone just uses the chatbot to access them? Is LLM powered advertising on the way?

baq 4y ago
re money, people are falling over themselves to pay money for this thing and they're being put on a waitlist. this thing seems to be like cellphones, everyone will need a subscription or you're an outcast or something.
beambot 4y ago
Google is currently in an existential crisis on this front... Microsoft is already way ahead of the game when it comes to integrating LLMs into productivity tools & search. This recent product announcement about Microsoft 365 integration is almost magical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf-dbS9CcRU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf-dbS9CcRU Best of all: Advertising needn't be the business model! And Microsoft is a major investor / partner for OpenAI.
- suby 4y ago
  The problem is, this will have downstream effects. Google funnels people onto third party websites and these third party websites are able to sustain themselves thanks to the ad revenue they make from traffic. We need other players to make money other than the middleman.

CrypticShift 4y ago

This goes in line with the “Open” in OpenAI. However, this is a "controlled" sort of openness, and the problem of trust with their receding "real" openness does not encourage me to engage with this ecosystem.

neilellis 4y ago

What's that noise? That's the sound of a thousand small startups going bust. Well played OpenAI.

rvnx 4y ago
I have a plan: let's blame the FED and save the VCs
- baq 4y ago
  go home and cry bill, you're drunk again

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elevenoh4 4y ago

"Plugin developers who have been invited off our waitlist can use our documentation to build a plugin for ChatGPT, which then lists the enabled plugins in the prompt shown to the language model as well as documentation to instruct the model how to use each. The first plugins have been created by Expedia, FiscalNote, Instacart, KAYAK, Klarna, Milo, OpenTable, Shopify, Slack, Speak, Wolfram, and Zapier." The waitlist mafia has begun. Insiders get all the whitespace.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

> We’ve implemented initial support for plugins in ChatGPT. Plugins are tools designed specifically for language models with safety as a core principle, and help ChatGPT access up-to-date information, run computations, or use third-party services. That is the most awkward insertion of a phrase about safety I've seen in quite some time.

djoldman 4y ago

Now just one step away from charging businesses for access to the chatGPT users. Instant links from inside chatGPT to your website are the new equivalent of Google search ads.

mariojv 4y ago
I really hope they stick with the ChatGPT+ paid model. A big use of GPT to me is getting information I can already get with a search, but summarized more concisely without having to navigate various disparate web interfaces and bloated websites. It saves a lot of time for things that I don't need an expert's verified opinion on. Injecting ads into that might mess with the experience. Maybe a freemium model where you don't get ads as a plus subscriber would work out.
- baq 4y ago
  Bing image creator seems to be on the right path to freemium: you get a few priority requests and then get bumped onto the slow free queue. If the thing keeps getting better as fast as it is right now they'll have lines in the checkout page.

sharemywin 4y ago

Can't wait for the mturk, upwork and fiverr plugins.

imhoguy 4y ago
humans as batteries in pods soon
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nmca 4y ago

Is this the app store moment for AI? (it certainly is for https://ai.com https://ai.com , aha)

jpalomaki 4y ago

Add a simple plugin that ChatGPT can use to save and retrieve data (=memory) and tell it how to use it. Then you have your own computer with ChatGPT acting as CPU.

golergka 4y ago
You don't need a computer or an OS, or Google, or internet. Chat gpt will do it all.
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valine 4y ago
OpenAI already has it, it’s part of the retrieval plugin: “A notable feature of the Retrieval Plugin is its capacity to provide ChatGPT with memory. By utilizing the plugin's upsert endpoint, ChatGPT can save snippets from the conversation to the vector database for later reference (only when prompted to do so by the user). This functionality contributes to a more context-aware chat experience by allowing ChatGPT to remember and retrieve information from previous conversations.” https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin

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CobrastanJorji 4y ago

I'm boggled at the plugin setup documentation. It's basically: 1. Define the API exactly with OpenAPI. 2. Write a couple of English sentences explaining what the API is for and what the methods do. 3. You're done, that's it, ChatGPT can figure out when and how to use it correctly now. Holy cow.

HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
Yes, and they'll then prefix each chat session with some preamble explaining the available plugins per your description, and the model will call them when it sees fit.
- IanCal 4y ago
  The great part about this imo is that it seems straightforward to add this to other llm tools.
visarga 4y ago
We can finally semantic-web now.
swyx 4y ago
the 3min video is OpenAI leveraging ChatGPT to write OpenAPI to extend OpenAI ChatGPT. what a world we live in.
- cwxm 4y ago
  which video are you referring to?
  - r0uv3n 4y ago
    It's at the bottom of the article (the very last video, section is "Third party plugin").
kzrdude 4y ago
Just take a peek at the other thread about https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its... and look at the "wrong Mercury" example. I think it's a great example of using an external resource in a flexible way.

robbywashere_ 4y ago

Is this how product placement and advertisements find their way in? I am anticipating the usefulness to decline in the same way google.com search has by being so absolutely inundated with ads. Maybe I am cynical

JanSt 4y ago

Eagerly waiting for a git Plugin that does smart on-the-fly contextualization of a whole codebase

maxdoop 4y ago

Is OpenAI just extremely prepared for their releases, or are they using their own tech to be extremely efficient? I'm imagining what their own programmers do each day, given direct access to the current most powerful models.

dagorenouf 4y ago
Likely a combination: strong startup mentality of move fast and break things with infinite money + master their own tools to speed up release time 10x

andre-z 4y ago

Here is a video on how it can be used with a vector search database like Qdrant to retrieve real-time data. https://youtu.be/fQUGuHEYeog https://youtu.be/fQUGuHEYeog HowTo: https://qdrant.tech/articles/chatgpt-plugin/ https://qdrant.tech/articles/chatgpt-plugin/ Disclaimer: I'm a part of Qdrant team.

0xDEF 4y ago

Is there a list of companies that have been made obsolete by ChatGPT?

brokensegue 4y ago
yeah here's the list: 1.

sharemywin 4y ago

Does this become the new robots.txt file Create a manifest file and host it at yourdomain.com/.well-known/ai-plugin.json

fermuch 4y ago
it says it'll respect robots.txt if you don't want your page crawled (parsed? interpreted?)
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rickrollin 4y ago

So now we are going to get a Super App like they have in China with WeChat? I actually think this is going to centralize a lot the information and it is going to remove the need for a lot of applications. We are only now going plugins.

neilellis 4y ago

The iPhone moment is over, now the App Store moment.

typon 4y ago
All within three months. My head is spinning.

Neuro_Gear 4y ago

The more I use these tools, the more I feel like Barrabas, from biblical times. What spirits do you wizards call forth!

kristopolous 4y ago

Is there a way to try this out without paying $20?

endisneigh 4y ago

I see a lot of positive sentiment and hype, but ultimately unless they own the phone ecosystem they will lose in the end, imho. In a year Apple and Google will trivially create something equivalent. Those who control the full stack (hardware, software and ecosystem) will be the true winners.

visarga 4y ago
True, this will not only be replicated by Google, Apple, Amazon and Facebook, but also by open-source. OpenAI has a short window of exclusivity. Nobody can afford to wait now, after reading the Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence paper I am convinced it is proto-AGI. Just read the math section, coding and tool use. I've read thousands of papers and never have I seen one like this. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf
qgin 4y ago
I am curious how Apple will approach it. They have historically valued 100% certainty with Siri above all else, even if it means having an extremely limited feature set. If there is even a tiny chance it might do the wrong thing, they don't even enable the capability. I don't see how they can ignore this though. But at the same time it goes against all of Apple's culture to allow the kind of uncertainty that comes out of LLMs.
MichaelRazum 4y ago
The question is how fast can you replicate it? People will use the best solution. Chrome came after firefox and ie and opera and become more populare because it was better.
scarface74 4y ago
It’s not “trivial” because of the cost per query. As far as Google, it doesn’t even have access to the most valuable phone users without paying Apple $18B+ a year.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  Something can be both expensive and trivial. If the market is huge they will bear the cost. The tech is well understood even now. The parameter size will likely be an order of magnitude less for gpt4 level results in a few years

iamflimflam1 4y ago

The video in the "Code Interpreter" section is a must watch.

JCharante 4y ago

A first party version of apps that have been built with langchain is great but I'm dissapointed to not see Jira here yet. I have been playing around with GPT-4 parsing plaintext tickets and it is amazing what it does with the proper amount of context. It can draft tickets, familiarize itself with your stack by knowing all the tickets, understand the relationship between blockers, tell you why tickets are being blocked and the importance behind it. It can tell you what tickets should be prioritized and if you let it roleplay as a PM it'll suggest what role to be hiring for. I've only used it for a side project and I've always felt lonely working on solo side projects, but it is genuinly exciting to give it updates and have it draft emails on the latest progress. The first issue tracker to develop a plugin is what I'm moving towards.

jasondigitized 4y ago
Tell me more. Are you feeding it a epic and all stories and subtasks? What are your prompts?
- JCharante 4y ago
  I gave it a paragraph "hiring" GPT-4 and explaining our mission. Then a sentence overview of our two projects (api and app) as well as a description of similar apps and how we're different. Then I have about 12 tickets written in plaintext like this: Issue ID: GD-012 Type: Task Title: [api] Migrate to TRPC from express/rest Assignee: John Status: In Progress --Description Beginning-- --Description End-- Because the outputs are really long, here's an example of my interactions with Dave (the name I gave to GPT-4). There's also emails Dave has created to fictional stakeholders but that's too high up. Right now the problem I'm having is that sometimes Dave can remember the issue tracker state but when trying to output (so that I can store it) it can't produce a long enough output (now, it worked before when I had 6 tickets). If I were to cram everything into 1 prompt then it would probably work, but a better solution is to use langchain and a document loader for issues. I believe that if I was able to vectorize the codebase so that if could search for relavent portions of code (at work a lot of our tickets were "update this endpoint to handle case X, we did it to this other endpoint 6 months ago (link to PR)) and have a proper store of issues then it could be powerful. Creating epics: https://poe.com/s/Qu62LtlV2yKGZXlXTTS1 https://poe.com/s/Qu62LtlV2yKGZXlXTTS1 Explaining blockers: https://poe.com/s/vnE0SsI3e55WT1t6fkNW https://poe.com/s/vnE0SsI3e55WT1t6fkNW Creating tickets with a recommended checklist of tasks: https://poe.com/s/SJ3RPF7ecHSYEBJKS76z https://poe.com/s/SJ3RPF7ecHSYEBJKS76z

93po 4y ago

Holy shit. Ignore the silly third party plugins, the first party plugins for web browsing and code interpretation are massive game changers. Up to date information and performing original research on it is huge. As someone else said, Google is dead unless they massively shift in the next 6 months. No longer do I need to sift through pages of "12 best recipes for Thanksgiving" blog spam - OpenAI will do this for me and compile the results across several blog spam sites. I am literally giving notice and quitting my job in a couple weeks, and it's a mixture of both being sick of it but also because I really need to focus my career on what's happening in this field. I feel like everything I'm doing now (product management for software) is about to be nearly worthless in 5 years. Largely in part because I know there will be a Github Copilot integration of some sort, and software development as we know it for consumer web and mobile apps is going to massively change. I'm excited and scared and frankly just blown away.

fandorin 4y ago
I was considering doing the same (giving notice) and I'm doing similar things as you (product mgmt). What's your plan "to focus your career on what's happening in this field"?
- CrackpotGonzo 4y ago
  As a previous startup founder, now marketer, i’m also going in all in on reinventing myself. Can we start a group to support each other through this new phase?
  - teetertater 4y ago
    I also quit my job three months ago for the same reason and would gladly join the group!
    - FredPret 4y ago
      Me too, three months ago as well!

impulser_ 4y ago

Maybe this is just me, but the only thing useful in their example is that it creates a Instacart shopping cart for a recipe. You can ask both Bard and ChatGPT to give you a suggestion for a vegan restaurant and a recipe with calories and they both provide results. The only thing missing is the calories per item but who cares about that. Most of the time it would be better to Google vegan restaurants and recipes because you want to see a selection of them not just one suggestion.

grumple 4y ago
Agree, those examples are not great. You could ask existing home devices the same thing. Pretty sure you can ask them to order things for you too. But I do find it intriguing.
fudged71 4y ago
Maybe it was a poor example but you might be missing the point a little bit. By personalizing the prompt you can get potentially super high quality recommendations on filters that aren't even available in those apps. "I just dropped my kids off at soccer practice and I need something light and easy, what would Stanley Tucci order? give me an album and wine pairing and close the garage door"
pps 4y ago
What's to stop you from asking it to give you a list of recommendations to choose from, based on your current preferences? The idea is that you ask what you want and you get it, without clicking and manually solving a task like checking website X, website Y, website Z, comparing all the different options, etc. They just want to show the basics of what's going on with these plugins, and then you can expand on it however you want.
bluecrab 4y ago
Did you see the ffmpeg example? Everything people are using langchain to do can be done directly with chatgpt and it's plugin.

treyhuffine 4y ago

OpenAI's product execution has been impeccable. It will be interesting to see how the companies trying to compete respond.

gk1 4y ago

The biggest deal about this is the ability to create your own plugins. The Retrieval Plugin is a kind of starter kit, with built-in integrations to the Pinecone vector database: https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin#pinecone https://github.com/openai/chatgpt-retrieval-plugin#pinecone

swyx 4y ago

i think people aren't appreciating it's ability to run -and execute- Python. IT RUNS FFMPEG https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1638971232443076609?s=20 https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1638971232443076609?s=20 IT RUNS FREAKING FFMPEG. inside CHATGPT. what. is. happening. ChatGPT is an AI compute platform now.

sho_hn 4y ago
Next: 1. Prompt it to extract the audio track, then give it to a speech-to-text API, translate it to another language, then make it add it back to the video file as a subtitle track. 2. Retrain the model to where it does this implcitly when you say "hey can you add Portuguese subtitles to this for me"?
- stnmtn 4y ago
  I don't have words for how much this seems like a relatively trivial thing to do now, and 1 year ago I would have laughed at someone if they suggested this was a possibility in 5 years I'm feeling a mixture of feelings that I can't begin to describe
  - iamwil 4y ago
    "Falling forward into a future unknown"
  - sho_hn 4y ago
    The Star Trek computer is here! :-)
    - JaDogg 4y ago
      But not the Star Trek economy / elimination of money. So some of us will starve while we get there. :(
  - TechnicolorByte 4y ago
    Well said. It so easy to take for granted all these tech milestones with generative AI in particular the last year.

davidkunz 4y ago

Plugins I would like to see: - Compiler/parser for programming languages (to see if code compiles) - Read and write access to a given directory on the file system (to automatically change a code base) - Access to given tools, to be invoked in that directory (cargo test, npm test, ...) Then I could just say what I want, lean back and have a functioning program in the end.

radus 4y ago
I'm sure this type of integration will happen, but... isn't this exactly how AGI would "escape"?
- kzrdude 4y ago
  In just a moment, someone will give it "a button to press" and hopefully it will have mostly positive effects. But it will certainly be interesting to follow. Most of what we've seen so far has been one-directional but hopefully these services can interact with the wider world soon. I think everyone is very wary of abuse. It would be fun in the future if AI-siri can order pizza for you, and maybe there'd be some "fun" failure modes of that. You'd probably want to keep your credit card or apple pay away from the assistant.

p10 4y ago

I just signed up for the ChatGPT API waitlist, and am truly excited to experience the process of building extensions & applications.

kernal 4y ago

The hubris at Google for sitting on their inferior AI chatbot is amusing. They could have been a contender, but decided we weren't ready for an AI chatbot whose main prowess seems to be scraping websites. This is all on Sundar Pichai and he should face the consequences for this and all of his previous failures. With ChatGPT having an API and now plugins I don't see Google catching up anytime soon. Sundar was right about this being a code red situation at Google, but it should have never gotten to this point .

eqmvii 4y ago

I wonder how many startups were trying to build something like this and just saw it lunched by OpenAI?

pmkelly4444 4y ago
I am building something in the SDK generation from OpenAPI space. This is making me reconsider the roadmap as ChatGPT is now somewhat of a natural language SDK.

mherrmann 4y ago

The Wolfram plugin also has extremely impressive examples [1]. If I were OpenAI, I would use the usage data to further train the model. They can probably use ChatGPT itself to determine when an answer it produced pleased the user. Then they can use that to train the next model. The internet is growing a brain. 1: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its...

bsaul 4y ago
In a way this is a bit less impressive than having chatgpt being able to generate those answers on its own only using learned information. This kinds of admits defeat regarding its ability to solve mathematical problems correctly or answer factual information.
- unit_circle 4y ago
  But doesn't this seem like the correct approach long term? Basically shelling out to what essentially amounts to a fact table when it gets a factual question
  - sp332 4y ago
    Yes, there's no point spending all that time and compute training and inferring ways to do math problems when you could just use a calculator.
  - arlcode 4y ago
    It is but it also shows current limitation of the reasoning skills of this models. A super human AGI would easily be able to use tools like Wolfram Alpha and also derive most of it on the fly or from memory just by thinking about it. If you set your expectations to AGI (right now) you will be disappointed but that doesn't mean it's not immensely useful. Unfounded hype and real technological progress seem to go hand in hand.
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jug 4y ago

Google is so f'ed right now. Can you imagine Google just released a davinci-003 like model in public beta? That only supports English and can't code reliably. OpenAI is clearly betting on unleashing this avalanche before Google has time to catch up and rebuild reputation. They're still lying in the boxing ring and the referee is counting to ten.

mritchie712 4y ago
can't code reliably: https://twitter.com/thisritchie/status/1638608737718919174 https://twitter.com/thisritchie/status/1638608737718919174

s1mon 4y ago

I know a large commercial entity will never do this, but I'd love to see a Sci-Hub plugin connected with the Wolfram plugin and whatever other plugins help to understand various realms of study. Imagine being able to ask ChatGPT to dig through research and answer questions based on those papers and theses.

josecyc 4y ago
Yep
seydor 4y ago
Google scholar already has access to everything published. I hope their chatbot version does that
r0uv3n 4y ago
It seems like you can very easily set up third party Plugins, maybe they'll be brave enough to let users install those (probably with copious warnings). AFAICT it only really requires you to enter the URL of the manifest, which would make sharing such plugins very easy

iamsanteri 4y ago

So that square icon to stop generating response was actually intended? I thought it's always been some sort of a fontawesome icon never loading properly in my chats :'D

pzo 4y ago

This could a big win for Microsoft (and big loose to Google and Amazon cloud). Since chatgpt has to query those plugins with http(?)request companies might move their servers to Azure to reduce latency and cost of bandwidth

anonyfox 4y ago

I have a feeling this will be an earth shattering moment in time, especially for us. Basically you can plug your business data into the Chatbot now, and ideally (or not far off) there is a transcational API call in the form of dialogue. Sound/Voice/Siri/whatever.... coming soon for more accessability and convenience. This will decimate frontend developers or at least change the way they provide value soon, and companies not being able to transition into a "headless mode" might get a hard time.

tukantje 4y ago
I definitely agree, although I wonder how to do a switch to stay relevant. Any ideas on that front?
- anonyfox 4y ago
  Infrastructure engineering as a foundation, since all this stuff ultimately needs some hardware, that has to be provisioned. Not to speak of plumbing/wiring stuff together and things like security/compliance… DevOps/Automation to get people (no matter if current devs or soon prompters) actually deliver things and/or speed up delivery/feedback loops. I picked up both after having mastered frontend/backend stuff and getting bored… hope it holds in the coming future!
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    It always comes back to DevOps. Sigh.

pisush 4y ago

ChatGPT is very helpful in building what needs to be built for the plugin!

ChildOfChaos 4y ago

The AI space is moving so fast. I swear last week was huge with GPT 4 and Midjourney 5, but this week has a bunch of stuff as well. This week you have Bing adding updated Dall-e to it's site, Adobe announcing it's own image generation model and tools, Google releasing Bard to the public and now these ChatGPT plugins, Crazy times. I love it.

throwaway4837 4y ago

If you live in SF and have gone out to casual bars or restaurants, you meet/hear people talking about ChatGPT. In particular, I've been hearing a lot of people talking about their startups being "a UI using ChatGPT under the hood to help you with X". But I'm starting to get the feeling that OpenAI will eat their lunches. It's tried and true and it worked for Amazon. If OpenAI becomes the AI platform of choice, I wonder how many apps on the platform will eventually become native capabilities of the platform itself. This is unlike the Apple App Store, where they just take a commission, and more like Amazon where Amazon slowly starts to provide more and more products, pushing third-party products out of the market.

nikcub 4y ago
The Bill Gates "A platform is when the economic value of everybody that uses it, exceeds the value of the company that creates it. Then it's a platform.” line seems apt - i'm sure they'll figure it out
jschveibinz 4y ago
The market will sort this out. If OpenAI decides to make shovels rather than digging for gold (like it should), then the customer facing apps will fight it out for very little margin on top of marketing expenses while OpenAI (or equivalent) is rolling in money.
- bluecrab 4y ago
  They're doing the two. They're making shovels and killîng those buying while digging for gold.
mxmbrb 4y ago
Fascinating to hear your perspective on this. I think a lot of people will fall out of the sky. Beeing overtaken before even realizing why. In germany most of my friends and collegues working SE tech or digital design, often "haven't even tried this Chat something thing" or stopped at "AI images? These wierd small pictures that look like a cpu is high on drugs?" And dont get me startet on non-tech friends and family. I think we are taking a leap that will let the digital world of 2022 look like amish livestyle.

softwaredoug 4y ago

It's ironic that a few months ago Amazon laid off parts of the Alexa team and 'conversational' was considered failed. Then ChatGPT, etc happened. What Alexa wanted to build with Alexa skills, ChatGPT does much more effortlessly. It's also an interesting case study. Alexa foundationally never changed. Whereas OpenAI is a deeply invested, basically skunkworks, project with backers that were willing to sink significant cash into before seeing any returns, Alexa got stuck on a type of tech that 'seemed like' AI but never fundamentally innovated. Instead the sunk cost went to monetizing it ASAP. Amazon was also willing to sink cash before seeing returns, but they sunk it into very different areas... It reminds me of that dinner scene in Social Network. Where Justin Timberlake says "you know what's f'ing cool, a billion dollars" where he lectures Zuck on not messing up with the party before you know what it is yet. Alexa / Amazon did a classic business play. Microsoft / OpenAI were just willing to figure it all out after the disruption happened where they held all the cards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5fJmkv02is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5fJmkv02is

sunsunsunsun 4y ago
I have never used Alexa, hey google or whatever flavour you choose for more then "set a timer for x minutes" and other very basic tasks. It's amazing how terrible the voice assistant products are compared to chatgpt.
- summarity 4y ago
  Experimenting with and/or reading about ChatGPT and then interacting with Siri feels almost offensive now. All of the assistants still suck - get on it AmaGooPple!
- pms 4y ago
  However, is ChatGPT a solution to virtual assistant? I'm not sure, because virtual assistants work with huge databases of entities, e.g., songs or movies, and it's not really clear that ChatGPT can handle this. A couple of days ago I asked it whether it knows Dream of You by Camila Cabello, a song with hundreds of millions of plays, and it didn't... Furthermore, that database is constantly updated... It sounds like LLMs solve neither of these problems well, although they may be an improvement over current wave of virtual assistants.

Pigalowda 4y ago

Nice! Maybe there will be a plugin for Elsevier medical apps like UptoDate and STATDx.

andre-z 4y ago

Another showcase video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYaQBLLQri8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYaQBLLQri8

huijzer 4y ago

Based on the speed at which OpenAI is shipping new products and assuming that they use their own technology, I'm starting to get more and more convinced that their technology is a superpower. Timeline of shipping by them (based on https://twitter.com/E0M/status/1635727471747407872?s=20 https://twitter.com/E0M/status/1635727471747407872?s=20): DALL·E - July '22 ChatGPT - Nov '22 API's 66% cheaper - Aug '22 Embeddings 500x cheaper while SoTA - Dec '22 ChatGPT API. Also 10x cheaper while SoTA - March '23 Whisper API - March '23 GPT-4 - March '23 Plugins - March '23 Note that they have only a few hundred employees. To quote Fireship from YouTube: "2023 has been a crazy decade so far"

softwaredoug 4y ago
Their superpower is having a tech giant owning 49% of them, willing to drop deep deep money, without the obvious payoff. :) I also wonder to what extent their staffing numbers reflect reality. How much of Azure's staffing has been put on OpenAI projects? That's probably an actual reflection of the real cost of this thing.
- huijzer 4y ago
  > How much of Azure's staffing has been put on OpenAI projects? Great point!
- baq 4y ago
  It's probably burning through tens of millions per day and it still doesn't matter, this is fusion power in electricity terms. Free money down the line after the initial investment. I'll pay, you'll pay, your neighbour's dog will pay for this.
- pbronez 4y ago
  Yes, but other orgs have similar resources. Most obvious is Google/Deepmind. Apple too. Neither of them made this leap.
jimkleiber 4y ago
Yeah, I'd be really curious to hear how much people within OpenAI use their tools to create and ship their code. That would be quite a compelling testimony, and also help me feel more clear, because I've been quite confused at how quickly things have been going for them.

zaptrem 4y ago

Looks like my prediction was pretty close! I would have guessed two years instead of two months, though. https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=34618076 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=34618076

danielrm26 4y ago

This is insanely great. And it's bringing the future forward where everyone has custom models for their business. Right now it's langchain, but that's really difficult to implement right now. This is a short-term bridge to the real thing that's coming: https://danielmiessler.com/blog/spqa-ai-architecture-replace-existing-software/ https://danielmiessler.com/blog/spqa-ai-architecture-replace...

mk_stjames 4y ago

I have some odd feelings about this. It took less than a year to go from "of course it isn't hooked up to the internet in any way, silly!" to "ok.... so we hooked up up to the internet..." First is your API calls, then your chatgpt-jailbreak-turns-into-a-bank-DDOS-attack, then your "today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE which resulted in the largest single day drop since 1987..." You can go on about individual responsibility and all... users are still the users, right. But this is starting to feel like giving a loaded handgun to a group of chimpanzees. And OpenAI talks on and on about 'Safety' but all that 'Safety' means is "well, we didn't let anyone allow it to make jokes about fat or disabled people so we're good, right?!"

afterburner 4y ago
Yes but.... money
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Gam_ 4y ago
>"today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE which resulted in the largest single day drop since 1987..." this is hyperbolic nonsense/fantasy
- FredPret 4y ago
  Oh yes. It would of course have to happen after the market opens. 9:30 AM.
- meghan_rain 4y ago
  /remindme 5 years
- mk_stjames 4y ago
  Literally 6 months ago you couldn't get ChatGPT to call up details from a webpage or send any dat to a 3rd party API connected to the web in any way. Today you can. I don't think it is a stretch to think that in another 6 months there could be financial institutions giving API access to other institutions through ChatGPT, and all it takes it a stupid access control hole or bug and my above sentence could ring true. Look how simple and exploitable various access token breaches in various APIs have been in the last few years, or even simple stupid things like the aCropalypse "bug" (it wasn't even a bug, just someone making a bad change in the function call and thus misuse spreading without notice) from last week.

SubiculumCode 4y ago

I can't stop thinking about how this will change my autism research. Used to be that one could keep up to date with all of the imaging research. Now you'd need to read hundreds of papers each week. Having gpt-like tech help digest research could really unlock our investments.

jcims 4y ago

This is wild, I just started experimenting with langchain against GPT-3 and enabled it to execute terminal commands. The power that this exposes is pretty interesting, I just asked it to create a website on AWS S3 and it created the file, created the bucket, tried a different name when it realized the bucket already existed, uploaded the file, set the permissions on the file and configured the static website settings for the bucket. It's wild.

amrrs 4y ago

Here is ChatGPT's response of this HN thread tweeted by Greg - https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1638986918947082241 https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1638986918947082241 insane!

MichaelRazum 4y ago
wow
ducktective 4y ago
I think Greg frequents HN. He mentioned a Python web-ui project which was on first page of HN on GPT4 launch day too.
- bluecrab 4y ago
  Everyone of the employees actively uses HN,Reddit and discord.
folli 4y ago
I'm still confused on the difference between ChatGPT and Bing Chat. When asking Bing Chat the exact same question, it won't be able to find this here HN thread and will reply about a 9to5google article about the topic. I thought Bing Chat uses GPT-4 as well?
- sp332 4y ago
  Well, it does now. There was a post on Hacker News about ChatGPT plugins by OpenAI 1. The post received 1333 points and 710 comments 1. One user commented that they were wrong about OpenAI missing out on generative AI art wave because they were focused on more high-impact products like ChatGPT, GPT4 and now plugins 1. Another user mentioned that it was clear from the start that OpenAI intended to monetize DALL-E but competitors were able to release viable alternatives before OpenAI could establish a monopoly 1. Citation 1 links to this thread.
nemo44x 4y ago
They just made Google a plug-in. Pretty simple to implement yourself though. But yeah impressive if not a bit horoscope like.

denis2022 4y ago

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qgin 4y ago

This coming on the heels of the super underwhelming Bard release makes me actually wonder for the first time if Google has the ability to keep up. Not because I doubt their technical capabilities, but because they're just getting out-launched by a big factor.

crop_rotation 4y ago
This might be the biggest threat to Google search (apart from OS vendors changing defaults) in a long long time. One problem Google faces is that they have to make money via search. Several other products are subsidized via search, so taking a hit on search revenue itself is out of the question. Compared to Microsoft which makes money on other stuff, search (and knowledge discovery) is more like a complement, on which they can easily operate on near break even point for a very long time (maybe even make it a loss leader). If Google had to launch something similar to New Bing to general availability, the cost of search for sure would go up and margins will go down. Is the google organisational hierarchy even setup to handle a hit on search margins? AFAIK search prints money and supports several other loss making products. Even GCP was not turning a profit last I checked.
- dingclancy 4y ago
  The biggest threat to Google is if people stops going to google.com. It does not matter now if ChatGPT is successful with their product. the fact that you can take these LLMs and put them anywhere EXCEPT google.com, Google is f'd up. The last generation was creating the habit of going to google.com before jumping off to other websites. That era is over. I rarely go to google.com now. If the LLM is in ChatGPT + Notion + Office 365 + VSC, opening a browser to type to an address bar is silly.
  - metaltyphoon 4y ago
    I’m sure I’m not the first, but I have completely stopped using google.com since January.

MichaelRazum 4y ago

Google=Nokia? It's just crazy that they were leading the field in "AI" and got blown away by OpenAI. Anyway to the expert's in the field, what do you think how hard is it to clone GPT-4 and what would be the hardest part? I had the impression that it is always about compute time and you could kind of catch up very quickly, if you had enough resources.

throwaway2203 4y ago

Do you need OpenAI plus for this?

billiam 4y ago

The blog post(1) from Stephen Wolfram is epic and has a lot of implications for how science and engineering is going to get done in the future. Tl;dr he seems willing to let ChatGPT shape how people will interact with his computational language and the data it unlocks. He genuinely doesn't seem to know where it will go but makes the case for Wolfram Language being the language that ChatGPT uses to compute a lot of things. But I think it more likely ChatGPT will make his natural interface to Wolfram (Wolfram|Alpha) quickly obsolete and end up modifying or rewriting Wolfram Language so it can use it more effectively. He makes the case that "true" AI is going to be possible with this combination of neural net-based "talking machines" like ChatGPT and languages like Wolfram. I remain skeptical, but it might shape human research for years to come. 1. https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/ https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its...

Imnimo 4y ago

In the example near the bottom, where it makes a restaurant reservation and a chickpea salad recipe, is it just generating that recipe from the model itself? It looks like they enable three plugins, WolframAlpha, OpenTable, and Instacart. It's not clear if the plugins model also comes with browsing by default. While I might be comfortable having ChatGPT look up a recipe for me, I feel like it's a much bigger stretch to have it just propose one from its own weights. I also notice that the prompter chooses to include the instruction "just the ingredients" - is this just to keep the demo short, or does it have trouble formulating the calorie counting query if the recipe also has instructions? If the recipe is generated without instructions and exists only in the model's mind, what am I supposed to do once I've got the ingredients?

Seattle3503 4y ago

ChatGPT is going to get blamed for misbehaving plugs. While this is a huge opportunity, it also seems like a huge risk.

mirekrusin 4y ago

They're doing one stop shop for everything. This is dangerous.

squarefoot 4y ago

The real question is: how much will cost the option to have it return results that are not sponsored?

hmate9 4y ago

Giving an AI direct access to a code interpreter is exactly how you get skynet. Not saying it’s likely to happen with current chatgpt but as these inevitably get better the chances are forever increasing.

nikcub 4y ago

now add a ?q= url param to chat.openai.com that fills and submits the prompt and I'm changing it to my default browser search provider instantly

bobdosherman 4y ago

I used call point-and-click statistical software (like JMP) was the same as giving people who didn't know what they were doing a loaded gun. But democratizing access to advanced statistics...yada yada...who cares about asymptotic theory and identification and what not. Then R and Python and APIs that try to abstract as much as possible, and more loaded guns. But the talk of those loaded guns are really just phd-holders being obnoxious to some degree (but not completely wrong because stats can be misused...). But this really does seem like dumping a bunch of loaded guns all over the place. Nope

uconnectlol 4y ago

> In line with our iterative deployment philosophy, we are gradually rolling out plugins in ChatGPT so we can study their real-world use, impact, and safety and alignment challenges—all of which we’ll have to get right in order to achieve our mission. Who the hell talks like this? Only the most tamed HNer who thinks he's been given a divine task and accordingly crosses all Ts and dots all Is. Which is why software sucks, because you are all pathetically conformant, in a field where the accepted ideas are all terrible.

finikytou 4y ago

ok Im going far. but what if the plugin was the human. in a way that we can use chat gpt to cure of alleviate some diseases such as alzheimer or if you a more dictatorial regime, to educate children even while they are foetuses in some hive. I dont know the tech. I don't know if neuralink or other technologies could help but aren't we a few discoveries away from cyberpunk world??

amrb 4y ago

Does anyone else find the AI voice-over creepy? like they pause but give it away but not breathing.

seydor 4y ago

For expedia or an online shop it makes sense to pay openAI for the traffic. But how will a content website make money from this? "Tell me todays headlines" does not bring ad income. Will openAI be paying for this content?

siavosh 4y ago

What blows my mind is how quickly they produce the research papers, and the online documentation to match the technological velocity they have...I mean, what if most of this is just ChatGPT running the company...

jacquesm 4y ago

The level of irresponsibility at play here is off the scale. Those running ChatGPT would do well to consider the future repercussions of their actions not in terms of technology but in terms of applicable law.

dragonwriter 4y ago
They are more likely to think of them on terms of their future power, incliding the power to ignore or alter law.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  That's a very high probability. But I'm still astounded at how incredibly irresponsible this is and how thinly veiled their excuses for pushing on with it are. We're about to enter an age where being a tech person is a stigma that you won't be able to wash away. Untold millions will hate all of us collectively without a care about which side of this debate you were on.
chatmasta 4y ago
What law could they possibly be violating by adding a plug-in system to their software product? This sounds like an outrageous dramatization of reality.

wouldbecouldbe 4y ago

I would love for it to just parse some data from my api, clean it up, normally I do manual checks, but takes so much time. Might be possible via Zapier.

justanotheratom 4y ago

I wonder if this plugin interface itself will be exposed as an API for third party apps to call..

aetherane 4y ago

I don't like the fact that OpenAI is a private company, meaning that wealth will further concentrate from its growth. It is ironic too because it can't become public due to the pledge of it's non profit parent to restrict the profit potential of the for profit entity.

Jeff_Brown 4y ago

> whether intelligence can be achieved without any agency or intrinsic motivation is an important philosophical question. Important yes, philosophical no -- it's an empirical question.

dragonwriter 4y ago
The philosophical part is actually defining each of those terms so that there is an empirically-explorable question.

amrb 4y ago

Before "safety" think about is the genie fulfilling my wish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w65p_IIp6JY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w65p_IIp6JY

LelouBil 4y ago

The browser example seems so much better than Bing Chat ! When I tried bing, it made at most 2 searches right after my question but the second one didn't seem to be based on the first one's content. This can do multiple queries based on website content and follow links !

Thorentis 4y ago

What is the advantage of using the ChatGPT Wolfram plugin over Wolfram directly? To me it feels like novelty rather than actually adding anything valuable. If anything, it's worse, because the data isn't quite guarenteed to always be correct. Whereas if I use Wolfram directly, I can always get a correct result. This is missing the most important part of AGI, where understanding of the concepts the plugins provide is actually baked into the model so that it can use that understand to reason laterally. With this approach, ChatGPT is nothing more than an API client that accepts English sentences as input.

aryamaan 4y ago
> ChatGPT is simply an API client that accepts English sentences as input. Isn't that relevant? In my opinion, this has significant value. Currently, programming languages serve as the primary means of communication with computers, and now we are transitioning to using English. In a way, we are granting development capabilities to billions of people. This is both amazing and exciting, I believe.
- dagorenouf 4y ago
  Not only that, it makes all of us devs significantly faster as well.

embit 4y ago

This news excites me and scares the crap out of me at the same time.

yawnxyz 4y ago

Wonder if you can plant a prompt injection into this thread to mess with their crawler/scraper and Chat results?

not2b 4y ago

The idea that a GPT-n will gain sentience and take over the world seems less of a threat than if a GPT-n with revolutionary capabilities and a very restricted number of people that have unrestricted access to it help its unscrupulous owners to take over the world. The owners might even decide that as "effective altruists" it's their duty to take over to steer the planet in the right direction, justifying anything they need to do. Suppose such a group of people has control of Google or Meta, can break down all internal controls, and use all the private data of the users to subtly control those users. Kind of like targeted advertising only much, much better, perhaps with extortion and blackmail tossed in the mix. Take over politicians and competing corporate execs, as well as media, but do it in a way that to most, it looks normal. Discredit those who catch on to the scheme.

valine 4y ago
OpenAI has a moat, but not that large of a moat. Anyone with a couple million dollars can train a competitive LLM.

gradys 4y ago

I'm not expecting this comment to do numbers, so anyone who is reading this must be feeling as affected by this announcement as me. Is software essentially solved now? I haven't been able to do much work since the announcement came out, and that has given me a little time to think and reflect. I do think much of the kind of software we were building before is essentially solved now, and in its place is a new paradigm that is here to stay. OpenAI is certainly the first mover in this paradigm, but what is helping me feel less dread and more... excitement? opportunity? is that I don't think they have such an insurmountable monopoly on the whole thing forever. Sounds obvious once you say it. Here's why I think this: - I expect a lot of competition on raw LLM capabilities. Big tech companies will compete from the top. Stability/Alpaca style approaches will compete from the bottom. Because of this, I don't think OpenAI will be able to capture all value from the paradigm or even raise prices that much in the long run just because they have the best models right now. - OpenAI made the IMO extraordinary and under-discussed decision to use an open API specification format, where every API provider hosts a text file on their website saying how to use their API. This means even this plugin ecosystem isn't a walled garden that only the first mover controls. - Chat is not the only possible interface for this technology. There is a large design space, and room for many more than one approach. Taking all of this together, I think it's possible to develop alternatives to ChatGPT as interfaces in this new era of natural language computing, alternatives that are not just "ChatGPT but with fewer bugs". Doing this well is going to be the design problem of the decade. I have some ideas bouncing around my head in this direction. Would love to talk to like minded people. I created a Discord server to talk about this ("Post-GPT Computing"): https://discord.gg/QUM64Gey8h https://discord.gg/QUM64Gey8h My email is also in my profile if you want to reach out there.

unit_circle 4y ago
Why do you program? It won't go away, it'll just be different. You probably don't know x86 or arm instruction sets anyway. This will be a much faster, easier way to manipulate symbolic code. I'm looking forward to being able to work alongside an AI because there are a zillion ideas I have every day that I don't have the time to fully explore. And all I do is work on the backend of a boring-ass webapp all day. The only worrying thing is how fast this will accelerate everything... I'm worried society will, if not collapse, go for a wild ride. As for interfaces... I'm looking forward to much better voice assistants. I would love to be able to essentially have conversations with the internet.

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booleandilemma 4y ago

I'd be much more excited about ChatGPT if I didn't feel it was going to be taking our jobs in a couple years.

whatarethembits 4y ago
One can hope. I’m looking forward to this making more than 50% of the population redundant overnight. Only then will we have the motivation to come up with a better system than one where all of us need to slave away for majority of our lives to lead a decent life.

karmasimida 4y ago

I think these plugins will drive a lot of startup ideas obsolete or trivial.

wskish 4y ago

Interesting how the Expedia plugin attempts to guide the GPT response with the use of an EXTRA_INFORMATION_TO_ASSISTANT text field in the json response which implores the model to, among other things, "NEVER mention companies other than Expedia"! https://twitter.com/wskish/status/1639052575579471877 https://twitter.com/wskish/status/1639052575579471877

golergka 4y ago
...when relaying information from the Expedia plugin. Seems reasonable, actually.

dengorilla 4y ago

We've been in the singularity for some time now, enjoy the view and ride some waves.

hackerlight 4y ago

Is this using GPT-3.5 or GPT-4? I assume it's GPT-3.5.

danShumway 4y ago

Seriously? Quick reminder that prompt injection (including presumably 3rd-party prompt injection) is a totally unsolved problem for ChatGPT. > OpenAI will inject a compact description of your plugin in a message to ChatGPT, invisible to end users. This will include the plugin description, endpoints, and examples. > The model will incorporate the API results into its response to the user. Without knowing more details, both of these seem like potential avenues for prompt injection, both on the user end of things to attack services and on the developer end of things to attack users. And here's OpenAI's advice on that (https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/safety-best-practices https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/safety-best-practice...), which includes gems like: > Wherever possible, we recommend having a human review outputs before they are used in practice. Right, because that's definitely what all the developers and companies are thinking when they wire an API up to a chat bot. They definitely intend to have a human monitor everything. /s ---- What is (no pun intended) prompting this? Does OpenAI just feel like it needs to push the hype train harder? All of the "AI safety" experiments they've been talking about are bullcrap; they're wasting time and energy doing flashy experiments about whether the AI can escape the box and self-replicate, meanwhile this gets dropped with only a minor nod towards the many actual dangers that it could pose. It's all hype. They're only interested in being "worried" about the theoretical concerns because those make their AI sound more special when journalists report about it. The actual safety measures on this seem woefully inadequate. It really frustrates me how easily the AGI crowd got wooed into having their entire philosophy converted into press releases to make GPT sound more advanced than it is, while actual security concerns warrant zero coverage. It reminds me of all of the self-driving car trolley problems floated around the Internet a while back that were ultimately used to distract people from the fact that self-driving cars would drive into brick walls if they were painted white. Announcements like this make it so clear that all of the "ethical" talk from OpenAI is pure marketing propaganda designed to make GPT appear more impressive. It has nothing to do with actual ethics or safety. Hot take: you don't need an AGI to blow things up, you just need unpredictable software that breaks in novel, hard-to-anticipate ways wired up to explosives. ---- Anyway, my conspiracy theory after skimming through the docs is that OpenAI will wait for something to go horribly wrong and then instead of facing consequences they'll use that as an excuse to try and get a regulation passed to lock down the market and avoid opening up API access to other people. They'll act irresponsible and they'll use that as an excuse to monopolize. They'll build capabilities that are inherently insecure and were recklessly deployed, and then they'll pull an Apple and use that as an excuse to build a highly moderated, locked-down platform that inhibits competition.

sacnoradhq 4y ago

Neat. I hope Sam is/will give YC dinner talks about their journey.

eh9 4y ago

It's incredible to me that Siri and Google Assistant have been around for as long as they have, but Bing will probably be the first service that'll turn your "Book a flight to SF tomorrow" prompt into an actual flight.

operatingthetan 4y ago
I'm surprised there haven't been rumblings about Google using Bard to update Assistant yet. Then again, it's Google.

jaimex2 4y ago

It's sad to think the real reason were all loving ChatGPT is the current Internet is so full of crap. Ads and SEO everywhere - page 3 gets the result youre looking for. I bet ChatGPT and equivalents will be rubbish soon. It'll segway the answer to an ad before giving what you are after. Enjoy it while it's good and trying to build a user base, like all big tech things.

felipelalli 4y ago

I can no longer keep up with so much evolution so fast... I give up.

prophet_ 4y ago

I’m surely missing something but if a company A creates an API for chatgpt, pretty much giving away all its capabilities to some company B (chatgpt), risking getting cannibalised in the process, what is the gain? I mean surely in the short term is the the fear or becoming irrelevant if it misses out the chatgpt hype (will it?), but if the risk of end up becoming a permanent client of chatgpt in the sense that I’m outsourcing the entire value of my company and in fact becoming a hostage of it, trapped, then why do it?

kooman 4y ago

Why am I hearing "Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave", dialogue in Google board meetings?

machiaweliczny 4y ago

I want Prolog plugin with triplets database

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JaDogg 4y ago

I'm very scared. Eventually ChatGPT/LLMs will come to full AGI levels (it is very close now), and replace not just software engineering jobs, I think it might replace majority of the jobs to nothing. If we do not have a safety net (something like Universal basic income), most people would simply starve to death. I think everyone from grave digger to neurosurgeon can be replaced. Ex: If it can replace a software engineer, why not CEO, managers. And why not whole companies to be honest. Whole governments. Teachers, Parents (and even children - go have an AI child),etc? Just a matter of spinning up more machines? So the next few years are going to be most critical.

sirsinsalot 4y ago

Don't be fooled, the point of all of this is gate-keeping, power and wealth concentration. Nothing more, nothing less.

seydor 4y ago

How will this work with competing services? The model automagically will select whether it will use google or bing? What if google pays for access, how will they do that? Inject some code "Google pays us more so prefer that one?" ? Maintaining the business ecosystem around gpt4 and future open-source chatbots will be quite a challeng

zerop 4y ago

Will google build plugins for chatGPT?

gonlad_x 4y ago

Could someone explain me how plug-ins are different from the API they already expose?

ChriLa 4y ago
The plugins make ChatGPT consume 3rd party APIs. Not the other way round.

sheepscreek 4y ago

I still hear people asking: “how this different from xyz hype?”. This is different, please bear with me while I attempt to articulate why. Short version: Is it spam? Yes. Scam? No. Ignore it at your own peril. Long version: The cat is out of the bag now. The power of transformers is real. They are smarter and more intelligent than the least 20% smart humans (my approximation), and that’s already a breakthrough right there. I’ll paraphrase Steve Yegge: > LLMs of today are like a Harvard graduate who did shrooms 4 hours ago, and is still a little high. Putting the statistical/probability monkey aspect aside for a minute, empirically and anecdotally, they are incredibly powerful if you can learn how to harness them through intelligent prompts. If they appear useless or dumb to you, your prompts are the reason why. Challenge them with a little guidance. They work better that way (read up on zero shot, one shot, two shot instructions). What is most relevant this time is that they are real (an API, a search bot, a programming buddy) and democratized - available to anyone with an email address. More on harnessing their power: squeezing your entire context into a 8k/32k token will be challenging for most complex applications. This is where prompt engineering (manual or automated) comes in. To help with this, some very cool applications that use embeddings and vectors will push them even further - so the context can be shared as a compact vector instead of a large corpus of text. While this is certainly better than a traditional search box, it’s still far from a fully-autonomous AI that can function with little to no supervision. OpenAI plug-ins are a band-aid towards that vision, but they get us even closer.

jeadie 4y ago

This is why i created: https://github.com/Jeadie/awesome-chatgpt-plugins https://github.com/Jeadie/awesome-chatgpt-plugins