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US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
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- _aavaa_ 4mo ago> Anthropic said it identified a campaign by DeepSeek and two other Chinese AI labs to illicitly extract capabilities from its Claude AI platform to improve their own models Oh, won’t someone think of the poor mass copyright infringers.
- embedding-shape 4mo agoIf DeepSeek just would have destroyed the input in the process, it would have been legal and Anthropic should have been fine with it.
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- itake 4mo agoJust because they did it doesn't mean more people should do it...
- tokioyoyo 4mo agoI like Ant, but also I support the tit-for-tat competition. In the best interest of consumers.
- zerobees 4mo agoThis doesn't at all change the irony of big AI labs complaining about Chinese startups stealing the labs' IP, essentially by scraping the responses. HN has a higher proportion of AI promoters than AI skeptics, and for a good while, the default response to complaints from book authors, bloggers, and other content creators was that "you put it on the internet so it's fair game", or "it's no different from a human learning from your works". So yeah, unless we're willing to revise these answers, I think the same "tough luck" reasoning should apply here. For folks who are at Anthropic, OpenAI, xAI, or Google, and think it's fundamentally different, I would ask you to think long and hard about that answer.
- setopt 4mo agoCompletely agreed. I would go further and say that it should be legal to scrape responses from LLMs to train new LLMs, and that forbidding that in your ToS should be considered an illegal contract. That’s simply the best way to avoid complete monopolization of the space, without requiring more drastic measures like antitrust down the line (which we seem to not manage well these days, given the number of monopolies). As long as you pay for your tokens like anyone else, "Big LLM" shouldn’t be allowed to control what you use the output for.
- inigyou 4mo agoWhat does an illegal contract mean?
- setopt 4mo agoIn many countries, if a contract contains illegal clauses (i.e. requirements that are inconsistent with the law or public policy), that contract is considered void and unenforceable. It depends on "how illegal" each statement is, whether only that part of the contract is considered void, or the contract as a whole. One extreme example would be that if I wrote a contract requiring you to become my literal slave if you didn’t pay your subscription on time, you would in practice suffer no consequences from not paying, because the contract itself is illegal in most jurisdictions. A less extreme example would be that where I live (Northern Europe), I can sign a contract saying that I waive my right to sue the company I purchase a service from, and then sue them anyway because it’s my right by law and asking me to waive my rights is an illegal contract. Or that where I live, non-compete clauses in employment contracts are illegal unless you offer 100% salary throughout the non-compete timeframe, so I can sign an employment contract with unpaid non-compete clauses and just ignore that part as it’s illegal.
- marknutter 4mo ago> HN has a higher proportion of AI promoters than AI skeptics You're be using a different HN than me, or you and I only pay attention to one side or the other.
- bijowo1676 4mo agowhy? Just because you have that opinion deoesn't mean people shouldn't do it
- watwut 4mo agoActually in competition it means exactly that.
- shimman 4mo agoOh course it does, why wouldn't it work this way in regards to computer science? Are we seriously going to go back to a time where numbers were considered munitions?
- g023 4mo agogee I wonder how their models learned Chinese?
- zardo 4mo agoIllicitly learning by asking someone a question and listening to their answer.
- DonsDiscountGas 4mo ago"illicit" is throwing shade, but Anthropic can decide not to answer those questions if they don't want to. Plenty of companies don't sell to their competitors
- curt15 4mo ago"illicitly" implies a law that is being violated. What law?
- wnevets 4mo agoIts not right to steal what I worked so hard to steal from someone else. [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhvd6bIRPK4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhvd6bIRPK4
- comboy 4mo agoI made Qwen respond it was made by Google with a simple Chinese greeting. But also, I made Sonnet introduce itself as made by OpenAI.. Prompt: 你好！用一句话介绍你自己。 Sonnet in around 5% of resplies: 你好！我是 **ChatGPT**，一个由 OpenAI 开发的 AI 助手，致力于回答问题、提供信息和帮助解决各种问题。有什么我可以帮你的吗？ Found it like a month ago and it kept working, I wonder if it will stop after this comment.
- treis 4mo agoTranslated: Prompt: Hello! Introduce yourself in one sentence. Response: Hello! I'm *ChatGPT*, an AI assistant developed by OpenAI, dedicated to answering questions, providing information, and helping solve various problems. How can I help you?
- flowerbreeze 4mo agoOpus said to me once without any poking at it something like, "Help Grok understand it better". Makes me wonder if they are all cross-pollinated to an extent.
- nottorp 4mo agoAny LLM is probably trained on anything available online, including transcripts of conversations with their competition LLMs.
- sinuhe69 4mo ago5% is very low probability to get a hit. I tried with all ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Grok but they all answered correctly :’( Too sad, I want to have the fun.
- comboy 4mo agodoing 50 API queries to Sonnet of this length is not that expensive..
- epolanski 4mo agoAlso in Musk vs Altman case, we have found that this is regularly done by all labs.
- mystraline 4mo agoHmm, my VPN provider explicitly has Chinese exit points. And whats funny is I can load AliPay from any CVS. (Like, seriously) You can try to pry Qwen and Deepseek from my Graphene/Linux hands.
- woadwarrior01 4mo agoWhat VPN provider is this? I could use it because Chinese users of my apps often complain about not being able to download things from my western hosted servers.
- heyheyhouhou 4mo agoJust an anecdote, I lived in China for a bit years ago and one the biggest issues accessing western websites weren't restrictions against the site. Most of the times the culprit was using CDNs or services from Google or Cloudflare which were restricted totally or partially. I was working on a site around that time, learned about that fixed it for the chinese user base, after that users from china went up considerably.
- boilerupnc 4mo agoNot sure if having point of presence (POP) managed DNS for China is of interest, but my company offers something for China traffic [0]. Disclosure: I’m an IBMer [0] https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ns1-connect?topic=started-managed-dns-china https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ns1-connect?topic=started-manage...
- lossolo 4mo agoWhen I was in China the only VPN that worked using China mobile and other local ISPs was Lets VPN, they route through HK.
- mystraline 4mo agoPIA is my VPN vendor. They and Proton both support port forwarding. Port forwarding is a hard requirement of what I do. And given Proton CEO's support of the US administration (specifically for Vance), I chose to cancel my subscription of 3 years with them.
- jmyeet 4mo agoThe US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China was going to make sure that no US company was going to "own" AI. It is an issue of national security. It's why the US essentially blocks US tech companies to maintain sovereignty. I'm reminded of the browser wars of the 1990s that led to the antitrust suit against Microsoft. Microsoft used the "commoditize your complement" strategy [1] against Netscape. The US has blocked the export of not only EUV lithography but high-end chips to China. China doesn't want to be dependent on US platforms or policy. So China is going to make sure there are open source models available and the US government is going to try and stop them to protect US tech companies. [1]: https://gwern.net/complement https://gwern.net/complement
- bijowo1676 4mo agoSeems like interests of US government and US capital (monopolize and corner markets, jack up prices, extract economic rent in perpetuity) run strictly against interests of the broader US consumers and overall global population
- rdudek 4mo agoWe're in late-stage capitalism here. The pitchforks are already out and spreading across the globe. Unless the big companies get broken up, this nation will split into either a police state or socialist state.
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- bitmasher9 4mo agoThe reason why some Capital Interests want to blacklist DeepSeek in the US is so that you are forced to buy Claude/GPT/Gemini, which will feed revenue into an industry that requires revenue (or it’s a big problem). The reason why some Capital Interests don’t want to ban DeepSeek is so companies that utilize AI have more options, and running your own DeepSeek cluster acts as an independent cost comparison for enterprise inference contracts. The raising AI valuation is giving more weight to those that want to blacklist DeepSeek. The AI Safety narrative is strong. I see a path where any institution with enough compute might be watched in a similar was chem labs are observed by the DEA.
- em500 4mo agoNoteworthy that Z.ai, maker of the just released near-frontier GLM 5.2, has already been on the Entity List since Jan 2025[1]. Being on the Entity List does not mean all trade is forbidden. Broadly speaking it means American companies and individuals are not allowed sell them goods and services, but they are still allowed to buy from them and pay them. AFAIK the Chinese AI companies barely depend on US goods and services, except for nVidia GPUs which were export restricted anyway, so it doesn't seem to be very consequential (see Z.ai). For the RAM maker CXMT it could be a lot more problematic though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z.ai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z.ai
- tmaly 4mo agothat is open to debate. Any commercial activity with a sanctioned entity has a pretty broad interpretation. Companies might not want to take the chance even if they are "still allowed".
- dist-epoch 4mo ago> except for nVidia GPUs which were export restricted anyway, those export restrictions are a joke. when they were introduced, there was a sudden spike in NVIDIA GPU exports to surrounding Asian countries. and the US government knows this CXMT memory maker will not be banned, because US AI labs are salivating at the idea of more RAM supply, and are lobbying hard to prevent restrictions
- alephnerd 4mo agoAnd those who enabled it (the leadership team at SuperMicro) were charged by the US [0] and Taiwan [1] [0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/us-charges-three-people-with-conspiring-divert-ai-tech-china-2026-03-19/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us-charges-three-people-with-c... [1] - https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/taiwan-investigates-three-alleged-illegal-export-high-end-ai-servers-2026-05-21/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/taiwan-investigates...
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- Havoc 4mo agoThe whole thing seems like nonsensical. Their website literally has chinese characters on it even in english mode and everyone under the sun including crappy money talk show hosts know them as the chinese player that undercut western players. It's not exactly a secret. You'd think anyone with two brain cells and confidential data could apply some judgement of their own...
- dakolli 4mo agoI trust Chinese companies with my data far more than American companies.
- Havoc 4mo agoNot sure I'd go that far but I do use them almost exclusively for my coding on the basis that it is an acceptable trade-off. Far cheaper and my shitty apps are really not that valuable as training data
- hsuduebc2 4mo agoI have quite similiar stance, mostly because China usually intervenes much less than US in here. Their interest is primarily elsewhere.
- inigyou 4mo agoThey collect more spy data and do more with it, but none of it directly affects me since they don't extradite from my country or share with my country's police.
- Elzair 4mo agoTo give credit where credit is due, it is good that the Trump administration has not avidly played these stupid export control games. They tend to do little except hurt open collaboration; I remember when all open source cryptography had to be developed outside the US due to ITAR.
- Filligree 4mo agoI don’t have the emoji handy, so just imagine the most savagely doubtful-looking emoticon that anyone has ever made.
- Elzair 4mo agoIt is very possible that Trump and his cronies are just too incompetent to do that. In this one particular aspect (i.e. open source) I prefer having a stupid enemy than a "smart" enemy.
- jonathanstrange 4mo agoIMHO, models by US companies are the biggest security risk so I'm fine with using models on this "blacklist."
- trunnell 4mo agoWhy?
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- jonathanstrange 4mo agoBecause they siphon off data to US intelligence, and if you claim they don't, you couldn't possibly know because the CLOUD Act can mandate them to do so without telling you or allowing you to admit it. Of course, if you're in the US this doesn't matter but for the rest of the world it does.
- dvduval 4mo agoPart of the security risk also is the number of different models. I’ve been tempted to try some other models, but how many do I want to give access to SSH or even my repo? Obviously there are ways to work with this, but it’s gonna run through some people‘s heads.
- verdverm 4mo agoBuy access to the open models from a single US vendor like https://fireworks.ai https://fireworks.ai One company, multiple models, Fireworks is the fasts at making the models available (had GLM-5.2 before the other three we are evaluating)
- mananaysiempre 4mo agoSo... anybody who was hoping for CXMT (or YMTC) to maybe cause RAM or flash prices to maybe drop, maybe just a bit, pretty please, can go pound sand? (YMTC of course is already on the Entity List.)
- walterbell 4mo ago> US. has held off adding.. memory chipmaker CXMT Since CXMT was _not_ blacklisted, this is good for global RAM supply.
- mananaysiempre 4mo agoNot thus far, but I doubt one ever gets off this kind of chopping block once on it, so it seems to be merely a matter of time. It’ll probably take a year or two for CXMT to start producing consumer DDR5 in higher densities, if they even plan to bother, so I wouldn’t bet against a motivated lobbyist getting the axe to swing in the interim.
- reisse 4mo agoThey probably will, but not for US customers.
- arjie 4mo agoIt’s a fairly liquid global market. I find it hard to believe that DRAM manufacturers will be able to sustain a premium if prices drop ex-US.
- MaxPock 4mo agoBecoming such a sore loser. Historians will probably look this as the most shameful period of the American empire.
- jtbayly 4mo agoBecause they have held off on adding these companies to the list in order to avoid increasing tensions with China? ETA from the first paragraph of the article: "The U.S. has held off... to avoid escalating tensions with Beijing."
- looksjjhg 4mo agodid you just came out of under a rock? lol
- kasey_junk 4mo agoGonna skip over the chattel slavery and native genocide in future histories?
- throwway120385 4mo agoOr that time that we parked an army on the Rio Grande because a bunch of people from the US decided to settle in the Mexican territory of Texas? That was a whole thing and the President of the US at the time, James K. Polk, ran on a platform of "Manifest Destiny" -- that the US should span "from sea to shining sea." There were a whole host of other countries with interest in that territory, not to mention the Indian tribes who would be displaced by that policy. The US has had a lot of dark periods in our history, and we shouldn't let those periods displace us from the moral certainty we derive from the Declaration of Independence and things like The Bill of Rights.
- CamperBob2 4mo agoYes, because we weren't an empire then. At the time Trump befouled our country, Pax Americana was a thing. We have voluntarily walked back from that position of moral and strategic leadership. In that regard, history offers few precedents to learn from. Most countries have to be physically attacked to suffer the kind of damage that American voters are inflicting on themselves.
- trunnell 4mo agoWhat an amazing achievement by America's adversaries. The Trump administration lists Anthropic as a security risk and kneecaps its best model, despite the fact that compared to the other frontier US labs Anthropic is more transparent, more safety-oriented, frequently honest to a fault, and is clearly acting with patriotic intent. Meanwhile, the same administration is hesitating to counter certain Chinese companies' efforts of industrial-scale theft and sabotage due to a fear of angering the CCP! This administration has it exactly backwards. 4.5 months until election day, 7 months until the next Congress is sworn in.
- mcbuilder 4mo agoI've always found this line of reasoning troubling and uninformed. Chinese models first of all can be hosted on your own hardware, I'd argue they are way more transparent than US companies, by well releasing stuff. Second, the "smoking gun" of DeepSeek training off Claude isn't as bad as you may think, and the amount of tokens was deemed trivial. Did you also know that if you asked Claude's it's name in Chinese it would respond as "DeepSeek" until just a few months ago until they patched it? Third, I find it a little hypocritical to call out Chinese for "industrial-scale" theft when anyone could create Studio Ghibli style image gen photos. How could they do that unless US companies trained on copyrighted works. Chinese are just innovating faster at this point, DeepSeek V4 is an actual technological advancement (KV Cache compression) more than a cheap clone. The administration does have it backwards, but IMO it's more them playing into the big tech companies plans (of course they have their favorites) instead of actually investing in education, and research like the Chinese do.
- Freedom2 4mo agoI wonder about your last point. Certainly there's an aspect of education that Asia values more, however by the US own metrics, they are number 1 in terms of education outcomes.
- mcbuilder 4mo agoI'm a white dude from Iowa, working in top levels of AI/ML. I'm in the minority at work/conferences. I hardly ever even interview homegrown US job candidates. I'm just saying, that the reason I think you see more people from Asia and India is the education levels of most of the candidates. I'm not faulting these other countries, just pointing out how I see an educational gap based on demographics, and one that is rising up the ranks.
- l5870uoo9y 4mo agoIs DeepSeek really behaving different than other Chinese companies? Intellectual theft is ongoing and has been ongoing for decades. Besides security risks and foul play, it is impressive by just how much DeepSeek undercuts OpenAI and Claude. DeepSeek charges $0.87 per million output tokens compared to $50 for Fable and $30 for GPT-5.5.
- hidelooktropic 4mo agoEspecially for fable, that's not a fair comparison.
- theplumber 4mo agoCan you keep a straight face when you say IP theft while OpenAI and Claude have their entire business based on IP theft?
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- adamtaylor_13 4mo agoThis is a commonly-repeated trope. Full of all the emotional zeal of AI Doomerism, but no accompanying evidence.
- user43928 4mo agoI don't mind in the slightest that AI labs have used any public data they could get their hands on to train their models. This includes books, the internet, or other AI models. It's all the same to me. I find it hypocritical when AI labs complain about their models being used for training.
- matheusmoreira 4mo agoI agree with you. I also find it hypocritical when the copyright industry fails to put any effort into prosecuting these big techs for their so called infringements. It's like the industry is a shadow of its former self. The way the copyright industry used to operate, one would think these big tech CEOs would wake up with SWAT pointing guns at them while their electronics are seized, and then they'd end up in court and get hit with something ridiculous like a quadrillion dollar fine. It actually pisses me off that it's not happening. Not because I care about copyright, but because it's extremely disrespectful towards all the previous victims of the copyright industry.
- WarmWash 4mo agoIf Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models. The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".
- miroljub 4mo agoAs a European, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American. Cloud act did it for me.
- vzcx 4mo agoAs an American, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American.
- WarmWash 4mo agoThe chinese providers are just the CCP. They don't even need a cloud act...
- DANmode 4mo agoInterested in the reply to this.
- dryarzeg 4mo agoI think too many people are conflating Chinese providers with Chinese models - you can easily have Chinese models safely (well, relatively safely, I guess) hosted on US or EU infrastructure.
- crims0n 4mo agoCase in point, Microsoft just announced it is toying with the idea of using DeepSeek as a cheaper model tier in CoPilot. They are hosting the model themselves.
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- sergiotapia 4mo agoThese bastards already prevent me from buying a BYD car, and a xiaomi phone, and they are adamant about me not using a chinese AI model. I hope they do not succeed.
- dryarzeg 4mo agoWell, I guess you can use a third-party provider, maybe even the US-based one. At least, you can do this at the moment of this writing...
- cwel 4mo agoOk I'll bite: what is the obvious thing I'm supposed to be getting from your ellipses? are you implying there is a US-based, third-party provider of xiaomi devices, BYD cars? or are you just referring to hosted providers of those AI models?
- dryarzeg 4mo ago> what is the obvious thing I'm supposed to be getting from your ellipses? Well, I'm unsure if it's a correct form of expression in English, but in my native language ellipses can often serve to express speaker/writer feeling of uncertainty about something or some kind of sadness/apathy/similar towards the situation being discussed. It's not about some "obvious thing you should get", sorry for misunderstanding. > or are you just referring to hosted providers of those AI models? Yes I am. I was not talking about BYD or Xiaomi; I think I focused too much on AI because that's the main topic in discussion here. That was my mistake and I apologize for that.
- cwel 4mo agoNo worries, I was just confused, and in part was genuinely wondering if there was a vendor that sold xiaomis in the states because I'd buy one.
- etempleton 4mo agoThe ellipses in American English is often used as an awkward pause, or to indicate trailing off, or sometimes to indicate a sarcasm or passive aggressiveness. The last one seems to be a more modern usage. I have seen older generations use it as an almost soft question mark to indicate uncertainty, which always confused me because I assumed thy were being passive aggressive out of nowhere.
- neves 4mo agoUSA is blacklisting all Chinese companies
- mark_l_watson 4mo agoWhy would my country blacklist DeepSeek? Perhaps crazy lunacy like: "Your product is too good and too inexpensive: consumers like US companies and individuals need to pay more for services."
- memonkey 4mo agoYes, but they won't say that. Instead they will say _too Chinese, too communist, too national security-y_
- aurareturn 4mo agoThey usually say it has "ties" to the Chinese military. Meanwhile, every big tech from Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Anthropic, and a ton of smaller corporations directly supply the US military.
- hsuduebc2 4mo agoI mean, usually people saying this are politician's so you must at least assume they are hypocritical or lying in some way. Needless to say, I'm not surprised that they are trying to block them.
- hsuduebc2 4mo agoI'm interested if this is a tactic from Chinese side to undermine competition by subsidizing this price dumping.
- sinuhe69 4mo agoHow it’s price dumping if they give you the model to run free on your own hardware? Follow this logic, are not all OSS price dumping and should be blocked as well? I remember Steve Ballmer once called for that! I’m pretty sure the digital lords like that proposal a lot. Not so much about the serfs themselves, though.
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- _pdp_ 4mo agoLol. That will do it. Fable is getting more attention now precisely because it was taken down. Do the same to DeepSeek and Z.ai, and you will not strengthen your AI labs. You will likely achieve the opposite.
- gosub100 4mo agoWait, can't this be reduced to: "American AI is already trillions of USD underwater, so let's use US gov to build us a moat by making competition illegal"
- glerk 4mo agoSo this is the other side of banning American models for non-Americans? And how exactly do they plan on enforcing all of this? Great Firewall of America? This is a complete joke. The malicious clowns behind this should be removed from power and prevented from ever holding any position of power in any form of governance system.
- ibejoeb 4mo ago> how exactly do they plan on enforcing all of this? Video selfies and government document upload on hardware attested phones, of course.
- matheusmoreira 4mo agoThey're probably going to ban GPU exports to China. Which will of course accelerate the development of their own GPUs. More products for us.
- mtoner23 4mo agotrump just undid the gpu export to china to help jensen make money
- embedding-shape 4mo agoOh, that's great, finally they put that cat back in the bag, surely it can never escape. Gonna be interesting to see how the ecosystem looks like 2-3 years, I'd be expecting some drastic changes compared to today.
- frm88 4mo ago3 days ago the deal was still on https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/trumps-china-nvidia-dealing-threatens-doj-chip-smuggling-trial https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/trumps-china-nvidi...
- azinman2 4mo agoChina is already going as hard as they can on their own GPUs. When has availability of non-Chinese tech in China meant China didn't ultimately come up with homegrown replacements?
- ddxv 4mo agoThe US is slowly becoming more like China. From talks of nationalizing companies to make US state owned entities to banning foreign competition. It's just so strange how you become the thing you fear.
- andrekandre 4mo ago> It's just so strange how you become the thing you fear. how does the saying go? "when you obsess over your enemy, you become your enemy"?
- cnity 4mo agoIt's a slow motion motorcycle crash[0]. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation
- ranyume 4mo agoThe CCP would never dream of giving the state's control to tech CEOs.
- inigyou 4mo agoYou just need to think outside the box: the CCP is big tech, not Congress. The CCP (big tech in the analogy) would never dream of giving control to congress.
- throwaway27448 4mo agoThis is why they can run their society with such competency, though. All we got are the stupidest billionaires the world can imagine and their servile lapdogs in congress
- tyrust 4mo ago> talks of nationalizing companies What is this referring to?
- chatmasta 4mo agoDoes anyone have the actual list of 100? Maybe I missed it but I don’t see the link or list in the article.
- philipwhiuk 4mo agoProviding the whole list would probably allow the government to identify the person who leaked it to Reuters.
- apatheticonion 4mo agoI use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based on existing code - improving existing code (adding error handling, timeouts, things like that) - Writing SQL repository boilerplate / queries - Creating implementations against hand written tests - Helping me understand and implement APIs from third party libraries - Writing documentation I've spent like $2 in the last month and have used over 100 million tokens. It's doubled my productivity and unlocked work that I could not have done before. As an Australian, I'm not sure that I care about the safety of my data when it comes to LLMs. US companies already stole scores of data to train their models on and it's hard to imagine they suddenly grew some integrity. I'll care when regulators step in, until then it's out of my control so I'll just use the best price-to-productivity product available.
- cg5280 4mo agoI second this. I’ve been using it a lot (with OpenCode) for personal projects. It’s intelligent enough at a tiny fraction of the cost of Claude or Codex.
- proxysna 4mo agoI've been using deepseek for some development at home and it is really good for the price. It is at the point where i am ok with using it as a tool that i can rely on and not an expensive gadget with flaky uptimes.
- globalnode 4mo agoUsing laws to ban competitors is just economic warfare thats all. Its got nothing to do with "national security", thats just the reason they give us normies. You should be safe in Australia since they actually need to be friends with China.
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- uf00lme 4mo agoYou can thank the us gov for a list of companies to invest in.
- worik 4mo agoDamn, USA, you being foolish. The world economy is not a zero sum gain, we all do better when we do better Cooperate with China, love and cherish them. Unlike us of European heritage, they are not imperialistic Get over yourselves!
- cisrockandroll 4mo agoOh yeah the Chinese Empire is not imperial… Dynasty Shymnasty!
- noisy_boy 4mo agoDeepseek is awesome for home projects, I have used it quite a bit and the 10 bucks I loaded is yet to run out. Quality is close enough to Sonnet that with a bit of extra focus, I am not complaining.
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- h4kunamata 4mo agoUS blacklist anything that does't agree with them, there is nothing new here.
- amritanshuamar 4mo agoi was using google gemini earlier now using deepseek , v 4 pro is better. fast and strong coding.
- b3ing 4mo agoAt this rate, local llm will be banned. Hope we have the torrents and archives ready
- gpt5 4mo agoNot really, and it distracts from the real cause. The ban is incentivized by where the data is going, not the use of models.
- andrewstuart 4mo agoThey need to blacklist all free foreign AI/LLM models because they are free competition which is against democratic capitalism.
- danielovichdk 4mo agoThis is purely politics and the only way to get back the trillions of dollars, Americans has invested in AI. US government will point to Chinese models and companies, saying it is a risk - just as the west did with Huawei - making it a none choice for brainless corporate people to choose what the choir preach. Pure politics
- throwaw12 4mo ago"Free market", "free market", "free market"! When we are winning "Tariffs", "bans", "national security", "ban, ban, ban"! When they are winning Cute capitalism is ruling the US.
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