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Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

409 points by Anon84 9mo ago

andyjohnson0 9mo ago
https://archive.ph/vc3Cn https://archive.ph/vc3Cn
phito 9mo ago
Well yeah, it is just better. At my work we have a copilot license, but we use it to access Claude Sonnet/Opus model in OpenCode.
- azaras 9mo ago
  The Copilot-Cli is not so bad, https://github.com/features/copilot/cli https://github.com/features/copilot/cli
  - hpdigidrifter 9mo ago
    Can't speak for copilot but Gemini cli is unbelievably bad compared to Gemini web. CC has some magic secret sauce and I'm not sure what it is. My company pays for both too, I keep coming back to Claude all-round
    - mcintyre1994 9mo ago
      Claude Code is one of a very few AI tools where I genuinely think the people at the company who build it use it all the time.
      - danw1979 9mo ago
        He does ! https://x.com/bcherny/status/2007179832300581177 https://x.com/bcherny/status/2007179832300581177
      - taude 9mo ago
        watch the interviews with Boris. He absolutely uses it to build CC.
      - vdm 9mo ago
        s/AI//
      - giancarlostoro 9mo ago
        They absolutely do, the CEO has come out and said a few engineers have told him that they dont even write code by hand anymore. To some people that sounds horrifying, but a good engineer would not just take code blindly, they would read it and refine it using Claude, while still saving hundreds of man hours.
        lelanthran 9mo ago
        > They absolutely do, the CEO has come out and said a few engineers have told him that they dont even write code by hand anymore. To some people that sounds horrifying, but a good engineer would not just take code blindly, they would read it and refine it using Claude, while still saving hundreds of man hours. TBH, that isn't sustainable. Skills atrophy. At some point they are going take the code blindly. Considering what they have said in the past about agentic code changes, they are already doing just that - blindly approving code from the agent. I say this because when I last read what one of their engineers on CC tweeted/posted/whatever, I thought to myself "No human can review that many lines of code per month"[1]. --------- [1] IIRC, it was something stupid like 30kLoc reviewed in a month by a single engineer.
        kamaal 9mo ago
        >>Skills atrophy. I keep telling my friends while experienced devs feel extremely productive. The newer ones will likely not develop skills needed to work with finer aspects of code. This might work for a while, but you do a year or two of this, and then as little as a small Python script will feel like yak shaving.
      - MarcelOlsz 9mo ago
        I know they do because of how painfully awful the Claude web/Claude desktops uxui is, as well as performance.
    - michaelcampbell 9mo ago
      I would love to hear/see a definitive answer for this, but I read somewhere that the relationship between MS and \A is such that the copilot version of the \A models has a smaller context window than through CC. This would explain the "secret sauce", if it's true. But perhaps it's not and a lot is LLM nondeterminism mixing with human confirmation bias.
  - k__ 9mo ago
    It's sluggish in GitHub Codespaces, as it has so many animations.
  - taude 9mo ago
    Agreed. I was an early adopter of Claude Code. And at work we only had Copilot. But the Copilit CLI isn't too bad now. you've got slash commands for Agents.MD and skills.md files now for controlling your context, and access to Sonnet & Opus 4.5. Maybe Microsoft is just using it internally, to finish copying the rest of the features from Claude Code. Much like the article states, I use Claude Code beyond just it's coding capabilities....
    - yesiamyourdad 9mo ago
      Same situation, once I discovered the CLI and got it set up, my happiness went up a lot. It's pretty good, for my purposes at work it's probably as good as Claude Code.
  - tveita 9mo ago
    The Copilot IntelliJ integration on the other hand is atrocious: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/17718-github-copilot--your-ai-pair-programmer https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/17718-github-copilot--y... I'm amazed that a company that's supposedly one of the big AI stocks seemingly won't spare a single QA position for a major development tool. It really validates Claude's CLI-first approach.
- lifetimerubyist 9mo ago
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dude250711 9mo ago
We can certainly see, every Windows update requires flipping a coin now.
onion2k 9mo ago
Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to "1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code." You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.
- sarchertech 9mo ago
  Looks like the guy who posted that updated his post to say he was just talking about a research project he is working on.
  - anonymous908213 9mo ago
    Which is a bald-faced lie written in response to a PR disaster. The original claims were not ambiguous: > My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030. Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases. Our North Star is “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code”. Obviously, "every line of C and C++ from Microsoft" is not contained within a single research project, nor are "Microsoft's largest codebases".
    - sarchertech 9mo ago
      I mean 100% that was his goal. But that was one guy without the power to set company wide goals talking on LinkedIn. The fact that there are distinguished engineers at MS who think that is a reasonable goal is frightening though.
    - coldtea 9mo ago
      The authentic quote “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code” as some kind of goal that makes sense, even just for porting/rewriting, is embarassing enough from an OS vendor. As @mrbungie says on this thread: "They took the stupidest metric ever and made a moronic target out of it"
    - jodrellblank 9mo ago
      The original claims were not ambigious, it's "My" goal not "Microsoft's goal". The fact that it's a "PR disaster" for a researcher to have an ambitious project at one of the biggest tech companies on the planet, or to talk up their team on LinkedIn, is unbelievably ridiculous.
fastThinking 9mo ago
So Copilot is for customers, Claude is for getting actual work done?
- k__ 9mo ago
  Copilot isn't a model, you can use Claude via Copilot.
  - cush 9mo ago
    I don’t think that’s what they were insinuating. Claude Code internally, Copilot for customers.
  - thesdev 9mo ago
    Copilot is anything you want it to be inside Microsoft. Heck even Office is Copilot nowadays.
    - SoftTalker 9mo ago
      Seems to be their "Watson."
  - taude 9mo ago
    Both use the same models. But Claude Code has something special that Microsoft doesn't have in Github Copilot CLI.
  - theanonymousone 9mo ago
    Neither is Copilot. The title explicitly mentions Claude "Code".
- monocularvision 9mo ago
  Copilot in the streets, Claude in the sheets.
lloydatkinson 9mo ago
I have found that Claude Code is better in every way I've used it. I like to use LLM's just as an advanced refactoring tool, especially where plain string search isn't enough. Anyway, my first experience of Copilot was it plainly lying that it deleted files I asked it to, and it insisted the file no longer existed (it did). The difference between the two is stark.
- blibble 9mo ago
  "my turds now contains 15% candyfloss!"
dataviz1000 9mo ago
I installed Claude Code yesterday after the quality of VSCode Copilot Chat continuously is getting worse every release. I can't tell yet if Claude Code is better or not but VSCode Copilot Chat has become completely unusable. It would start making mistakes which would double the requests to Claude Opus 4.5 which in January is the only model that would work at all. I spent $400 in tokens in January. I'll know better in a week. Hopefully I can get better results with the $200 a month plan.
- oefrha 9mo ago
  Claude Code’s subscription pricing is pretty ridiculously subsidized compared to their API pricing if you manage to use anywhere close to the quota. Like 10x I think. Crazy value if you were using $400 in tokens.
  - dataviz1000 9mo ago
    I just upgraded to the $100 a month 5x plan 5 minutes ago. Starting in October with Vscode Copilot Chat it was $150, $200, $300, $400 per month with the same usage. I thought they were just charging more per request without warning. The last couple weeks it seemed that vscode copilot was just fucking up making useless calls. Perhaps, it wasn't a dark malicious pattern but rather incompetence that was driving up the price.
    - joncrane 9mo ago
      "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence"
- zzbzq 9mo ago
  Not my experience at all. Copilot launched as a useless code complete, is now basically the same as anything. It's all converging. The features are converging, but the features barely matter anyway when Opus is just doing all the heavy lifting anyway. It just 1-shots half the stuff. Copilot's payment model where you pay by the prompt not by the token is highly abusable, no way this lasts.
bakugo 9mo ago
Explains why Windows updates have been more broken than usual lately. But I guess having my computer randomly stop working because a billion dollar corporation needs to save money by using a shitty text generation algorithm to write code instead of hiring competent programmers is just the new normal now.
- johnebgd 9mo ago
  I switched to Ubuntu last week for my desktop. First time in my 25+ year career I’ve felt like Microsoft was wasting my time more than administering a Linux desktop would take. The slop effect is real.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo ago
    Linux kernels will all eventually be permeated with AI-gen code as well. It will just take longer to see and feel the effects.
    - bflesch 9mo ago
      Your argument is in bad faith because you are using false equivalence bias.
      - Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo ago
        I wasn't making an argument. It was a prediction that all major software, (including the major linux distros) will eventually be majority (>50%) AI generated. Software that is 100% human generated will be like getting a hand knitted sweater at a farmers market. Available, but expensive and only produced at very small scale.
        vv_ 9mo ago
        On what reasoning do you make this prediction? Just because corporations are mandating their employees to use AI right now does not mean it will continue.
pjmlp 9mo ago
That isn't going well for Satya.
- wolvoleo 9mo ago
  Indeed it's not: https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/01/09/is-microsoft-losing-the-ai-race-copilot-web-is-still-stuck-at-1-market-share-we-dont-know-how-popular-it-is-on-windows-11/ https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/01/09/is-microsoft-losing... And: https://www.perspectives.plus/p/microsoft-365-copilot-commercial-failure https://www.perspectives.plus/p/microsoft-365-copilot-commer... Tldr: Copilot has 1% marketshare among web chatbots and 1.85% of paid M365 users bought a subscription to it. As much as I think AI is overrated already, Copilot is pretty much the worst performing one out there from the big tech companies. Despite all the Copilot buttons in office, windows, on keyboards and even on the physical front of computers now. We have to use it at work but it just feels like if they spent half the effort they spend on marketing on actually trying to make it do its job people might actually want to use it. Half the time it's not even doing anything. "Please try again later" or the standard error message Microsoft uses for every possible error now: "Something went wrong". Another pet peeve of mine, those useless error messages.
  - pjmlp 9mo ago
    Yeah, my problem the way it has been pushed is that how it doesn't make sense at all. Improve the workflows that would benefit "AI" algorithms, image recognition, voice control, hand writing, code completion, and so on. No need to put buttons to chat windows all over the place.
    - wolvoleo 9mo ago
      Yeah but it's the mainstream public that was just blown away with the LLM party trick. If it sounds like a human it must be smart like a human. So that's what everyone wants to sell :( PS: When I say party trick I don't deny it has its uses but it's currently used like the jesus-AI that can do anything.
  - tomjen3 9mo ago
oefrha 9mo ago
I try GitHub Copilot every once in a while, and just last month it still managed to produce diffs with unbalanced curly braces, or tried to insert (what should be) a top-level function into the middle of another function and screw up everything. This wasn’t on a free model like GPT 4.1 or 5-mini, IIRC it was 5.2 Codex. What the actual fuck? Only explanation I can come up with is that their pay-per-request model made GHC really stingy with using tokens for context, even when you explicitly ask it to read certain files it ends up grepping and adding a couple lines.
- zzbzq 9mo ago
  You're not using the good models and then blaming the tool? Just use claude models. Copilot's main problem seems to be people don't know how to use it. They need to delete all their plugins except the vscode, CLI ones, and disable all models except anthropic ones. The Claude Code reputation diff is greatly exaggerated beyond that.
  - oefrha 9mo ago
    What, 5.2 Codex isn’t a good model? Claude 4.5 and Gemini 3 Pro with Copilot aren’t any better, I don’t have enough of a sample of Opus 4.5 usage with Copilot to say with confidence how it fares since they charge 3x for Opus 4.5 compared to everything else. If Copilot is stupid uniquely with 5.2 Codex then they should disable that instead of blaming the user (I know they aren’t, you are). But that’s not the case, it’s noticeably worse with everything. Compared to both Cursor and Claude Code.
  - howdareme9 9mo ago
    5.2 Codex is up there with claude lmao
    - sandos 9mo ago
      Agree, but it seems dependent on field. One day I wanted a browser extension made, and 5.2-codex-max added hundreds of lines of code several times, and for 15-20 iterations I did not change one thing, or even have an opinion on what it was doing. This is extremely uncommon for other models for me, even Opus I would say. And yes, I mostly do small green-field things and not even that works all the time, even if LLMs are clearly at their best there.
kcb 9mo ago
And probably running on their macbooks...
- GaProgMan 9mo ago
  True story: a lot of the Microsoft engineers I interact with actually do use Apple hardware. Admittedly, I onto interact with the devs on the .NET (and related technologies) departments. Specifically WHY they use Apple hardware is something I can only speculate on. Presumably it's easier to launch Windows on Mac than the other way around, and they would likely need to do that as .NET and its related technologies are cross platform as of 2016. But that's a complete guess on my part. Am *NOT* a Microsoft employee, just an MVP for Developer Technnolgies.
  - arcologies1985 9mo ago
    Probably because "Windows Modern Standby" makes laptops unusable by turning them on in your backpack and cooking them. https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c
    - m-schuetz 9mo ago
      I still don't understand how Microsoft lets standby remain broken. I can never leave the PC in my bedroom ij standby because it will randomly wake up and blast the coolers.
      - cosmic_cheese 9mo ago
        Probably because the quality of PC BIOS/firmware is generally abysmal and getting vendors to follow spec is like herding cats.
        mrweasel 9mo ago
        Sadly even if Microsoft had a few lineups of laptops that they'd use internally and recommend, companies would still get the shitty ones, if it saves them $10 per device.
fragmede 9mo ago
32 comments and no mention of codex or windsurf or cursor.
- make3 9mo ago
  have people tried Antigravity
  - hxugufjfjf 9mo ago
    They have
- falloutx 9mo ago
  Lets give Crush some love. Claude still cant do half the things Crush can do. Plus: you can use Kimi 2.5 with Crush soon
paxys 9mo ago
For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.
- catlover76 9mo ago
  It's ok, but it too frequently edits WAY more than it needs to in order to accomplish the task at hand. GPT-5.2 sometimes does this too. Opus-4.5 is the best at understanding what you actually want, though it is ofc not perfect.
- jckahn 9mo ago
  Yeah I don't understand why everyone seems to have forgotten about the Gemini options. Antigravity, Jules, and Gemini CLI are as good as the alternatives but are way more cost effective. I want for nothing with my $20/mo Google AI plan.
  - paxys 9mo ago
    Yeah I'm on the $20/mo Google plan and have been rate limited maybe twice in 2 months. Tried the equivalent Claude plan for a similar workload and lasted maybe 40 minutes before it asked me to upgrade to Max to continue.
    - lelanthran 9mo ago
      > Yeah I'm on the $20/mo Google plan and have been rate limited maybe twice in 2 months. Tried the equivalent Claude plan for a similar workload and lasted maybe 40 minutes before it asked me to upgrade to Max to continue. The TLDR: The $20/40m cost is more reflective of what inference actually costs, including the amortised cost of the Capex, together with the Opex. The Long Read: I think the reason is because Anthropic is attempting to run inference at a profit and Google isn't. Another reason could be that they don't own their cost centers (GPUs are from Nvidia, Cloud instances are from AWS, data centers from AWS, etc); they own only the model but rent everything else needed for inference so pay a margin for all those rented cost centers. Google owns their entire vertical (GPUs are google-made, Cloud instances and datacenters are Google-owned, etc) and can apply vertical cost optimisations, so their final cost of inference is going to be much cheaper anyway even if they were not subsidising inference with their profits from unrelated business units.
tylerchilds 9mo ago
This is funny because everyone’s AI strategy should have been “What do we actually need to be productive?” Which is how Anthropic pulled ahead of Microsoft, that prioritized checks notes Taking screenshots of every windows user’s desktop every few seconds. For productivity.
- paxys 9mo ago
  Anthropic has a model. Microsoft doesn't.
  - satvikpendem 9mo ago
    Microsoft can use OpenAI models but it's not the model that's the problem, it's the application of them. Anthropic simply knows how to execute better.
    - bhadass 9mo ago
      they should just acquire one of the many agent code harnesses. Something like opencode works just as well as claude-code and has only been around half of the time.
      - w0m 9mo ago
        I used opencode happily for a while before switching to copilot cli. Been a minute , but I don't detect a major quality difference since they added Plan mode. Seems pretty solid, and first party if that matters to your org.
    - formerly_proven 9mo ago
      As evidenced by Anthropic models not performing well in github presents copilot.
      - speedgoose 9mo ago
        I read that a few times but from my personal observations, Claude Opus 4.5 is not significantly different in GitHub Copilot. The maximum context size is smaller for sure, but I don’t think the model remembers that well when the context is huge.
kemotep 9mo ago
Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Copilot. Laptops sell with Copilot buttons now. It is not immediately clear what version of Copilot someone is talking about. 99% of my experience is with the Office and it 100% fails to do the thing it was advertised to do 2 years ago when work initially got the subscription. Point it a SharePoint/OneDrive location, a handful of excel spreadsheets and pdfs/word docs and tell it to make a PowerPoint presentation based on that information. It cannot do this. It will spit out nonsense. You have to hold it by the hand tell it everything to do step by step to the point that making the PowerPoint presentation yourself is significantly faster because you don’t have to type out a bunch of prompts and edit it’s garbage output. And now it’s clear they aren’t even dogfooding their own LLM products so why should anyone pay for Copilot?
- pixl97 9mo ago
  >Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions Microsoft cannot and will not ever get better at naming things. It is said the universe will split open and and eldritch beast will consume the stars the day Microsoft stops using inconsistent and overlapping names for different and conflicting products. Isn't that right .Net/dotnet
  - i80and 9mo ago
    I remember when everything was "Sign in with .NET Passport" as a yoot and just being like "what the hell are you talking about"
  - twisteriffic 9mo ago
    Cries in dapper dapr
  - anal_reactor 9mo ago
    I'm "I don't know what Xbox is" years old.
moi2388 9mo ago
“ Microsoft told me last year that 91 percent of its engineering teams use GitHub Copilot” Well, that might explain why all their products are unusable lately.
- Supermancho 9mo ago
  They have been unstable for decades. Does anyone still use self-hosted (running in a basement) windows servers? Running a windows machine feels like it's about as reliable as fast food order accuracy. Most of the time sure, but I hope you can afford to miss out sometimes.
paxys 9mo ago
Crazy to think that Github Copilot was the first mainstream AI coding tool. It had all the hype and momentum in the world, and Microsoft decided to do...absolutely nothing with it.
- llm_nerd 9mo ago
  Did it have all the hype and momentum, though? It was pretty widely viewed as a low- to negative-value addition, and honestly when I see someone on here talking about how useless AI is for coding, I assume they were tainted by Github copilot and never bothered updating their priors.
  - freedomben 9mo ago
    just my experience of course, but it had a lot of hype. It got into a lot of people's workflow and really had a strong first mover advantage. The fact that they supported neovim as a first-class editor surely helped a ton. But then they released their next set of features without neovim support and only (IIRC) support VS Code. That took a lot of wind out of the sails. Then combined with them for some reason being on older models (or with thinking turned down or whatever), the results got less and less useful. If Co-pilot had made their agent stuff work with neovim and with a CLI, I think they'd be the clear leader.
  - interestpiqued 9mo ago
    My first experience was with cursor and my entire team went through a honeymoon period before it got kind of sidelined. Average usage was giving an agent a couple shots at a problem but usually solving it ourselves ultimately. Internal demos were lackluster. Team was firmware though so might not be a great topic for GenAI yet.
- ecshafer 9mo ago
  Microsoft is still Microsoft.
- eloisant 9mo ago
  It was kinda cool for a demo, but Claude Code really was the first game changer in AI coding.
softwaredoug 9mo ago
It really says something that MS/Github has been trying to shovel Copilot down our throats for years, and Anthropic just builds a tool in a short period of time and it takes off. It's interesting to think back, what did Copilot do wrong? Why didn't it become Claude Code? It seems for one thing its ambition might have been too small. Second, it was tightly coupled to VS Code / Github. Third, a lot of dumb big org Microsoft politics / stakeholders overly focused on enterprise over developers? But what else?
- firemelt 9mo ago
  because claude code do it fullstack u know, the model and implementation, the interation is seamless, meanwhile ms and github, is waiting for any breadcrumb that chatgpt leave with
  - adastra22 9mo ago
    So is GitHub copilot. They run their own models.
- moregrist 9mo ago
  I think the answer is pretty simple. It's pretty clear that Microsoft had "Everything must have Copilot" dictated from the top (or pretty close). They wanted to be all-in on AI but didn't start with any actual problems to solve. If you're an SWE or a PM or whatever and suddenly your employment/promotion/etc prospects depend on a conspicuously implemented Copilot thing, you do the best you can and implement a chat bot (and other shit) that no one asked for or wants. I don't know Anthropic's process but it produced a tool that clearly solves a specific problem: essentially write code faster. I would guess that the solution grew organically given that the UI isn't remotely close to what you'd expect a product manager to want. We don't know how many internal false-starts there were or how many people were working on other solutions to this problem, but what emerged clearly solved that problem, and can generalize to other problems. In other words, Microsoft seems to have focused on a technology buzzword. Anthropic let people solve their own problems and it led to an actual product. The kind that people want. The difference is like night and day. Who knows what else might have happened in the last 12 months if C-suites were focused more on telling SWEs to be productive and less on forcing specific technology buzzwords because they were told it's the future.
jonathanoliver 9mo ago
Kinda reminds of the time Microsoft used git internally but was pushing Team Foundation Server.
- pluralmonad 9mo ago
  There is an entire generation of devs that TFS ruined for version control. I've had to essentially rehabilitate folks and heal old TFS wounds to get them properly using git (so many copies of repos on their filesystem...).
  - MarcelOlsz 9mo ago
    Sounds like they would have loved git worktrees.
firemelt 9mo ago
so whats the point of billions dollar investment to chatgpt lmao nadella
EMM_386 9mo ago
What are we discussing here? The tools or the models? It's getting absurdly confusing. "Claude Code" is an interface to Claude, Cursor is an IDE (I think?! VS Code fork?), GitHub Copilot is a CLI or VS Code plugin to use with ... Claude, or GPT models, or ... If they are using "Claude Code" that means they are using Anthropic's models - which is interesting given their huge investment in OpenAI. But this is getting silly. People think "CoPilot" is "Microsoft's AI" which it isn't. They have OpenAI on Azure. Does Microsoft even have a fine-tuned GPT model or are they just prompting an OpenAI model for their Windows-builtins? When you say you use CoPilot with Claude Opus people get confused. But this is what I do everyday at work. shrug
newzino 9mo ago
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ChrisArchitect 9mo ago
2 week old post feeling like part of the other weirdly promotional "Claude is everywhere right now" pieces that were around. Someone called it an advertising carpet bombing run. A.I. Tool Is Going Viral. Five Ways People Are Using It https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/technology/claude-code.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/technology/claude-code.ht... Claude Is Taking the AI World by Storm, and Even Non-Nerds Are Blown Away https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-claude-code-ai-7a46460e https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-claude-code-ai-7a46460...
- falloutx 9mo ago
  Anthropic is known for this, they are purposefully putting these stories on the websites execs and managers read. They even astroturf HN every chance they get with 2 blog posts a week (sometimes even more).
veryfancy 9mo ago
GitHub Copilot with Opus 4.5 as the model is great. I have not tried Claude Code, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing.
- smithkl42 9mo ago
  I'm one of those really odd beasts that feels some sort of loyalty to Microsoft, so I started out on Copilot and was very reluctant to try Claude Code. But as soon as I did, I figured out what the hype was about. It's just able to work over larger code bases and over longer time horizons than Copilot. The last time I tried Copilot, just to compare, I noticed that it would make some number of tool calls (not even involving tokens!) and then decide, "Nah, that's too many. We're just not going to do any work for a while." It was bizarre. And sometimes it would decide that a given bog-standard tool call (like read a file or something) needed to get my permission every. single. time. I couldn't do anything to convince it otherwise. I eventually gave up. And since then, we've built all our LLM support infrastructure around Claude Code, so it would be painful to go back to anything else.
  - torginus 9mo ago
    I don't really like how Claude Code kind of obscures the actual code from you - I guess that's why people keep putting out articles about how certain programmers have absolutely no idea whats going on inside the code. It's truly more capable but still not capable enough that Im comfortable blindly trusting the output.
    - tomashubelbauer 9mo ago
      This is not a problem when you assume the role of an architect and a reviewer and leave the entirety of the coding to Claude Code. You'll pretty much live in the Git Changes view of your favorite IDE leaving feedback for Claude Code and staging what it managed to get right so far. I guess there is a leap of faith to make because if you don't go all the way and you try to code together with Claude Code, it will mess with your stuff and undo a lot of it and it's just frustrating and not optimal. But if you remove yourself from the loop completely, then indeed you'll have no idea what's going on. There still needs to be a human in the loop, and in the right part of it, otherwise you're just vibe coding garbage.
gloomyday 9mo ago
Microsoft products are decreasing in quality at an astounding rate. You can clearly see that sales people took over the whole company.
- falloutx 9mo ago
  Its accelerated slopfication of Microsoft. And what are they are doing to fix it? More AI. The thing what is clearly making it worse. I think every division except Azure and Office are losing money at this point.
torginus 9mo ago
To this day I cannot wrap my head around the fact why did Microsoft allow a culture to grow inside the company (either through hiring, or through despondence) that at best is indifferent towards the company's products and at worst openly despises them? I'm sure no other tech company is like this. I think technologies like the Windows kernel and OS, the .NET framework, their numerous attempts to build a modern desktop UI framework with XAML, their dev tools, were fundamentally good at some point. Yet they cant or wont hire people who would fix Windows, rather than just maintain it, really push for modernization, make .NET actually cool and something people want to use. They'd rather hire folks who were taught at school that Microsoft is the devil and Linux is superior in all ways, who don't know the first thing about the MS tech stack, and would rather write React on the Macbooks (see the start menu incident), rather than touch anything made by Microsoft. It seems somehow the internal culture allows this. I'm sure if you forced devs to use Copilot, and provided them with the tools and organizational mandate to do so, it would become good enough eventually to not have to force people to use it. My main complaint I keep hearing about Azure (which I do not use at workr)
- falloutx 9mo ago
  Because the products have become terrible, and they keep using more AI to solve it when AI is the problem with Microsoft. Microsoft execs are only riding Azure success, rest of the orgs are completely useless.
- Terretta 9mo ago
  To fix the Koolaid you need people that haven't drunk it.
- cgh 9mo ago
  At the beginning of my career, sometime around 1999 or 2000, I was at Microsoft with our team because we were trying to integrate our product with this absolute piece of junk called Microsoft Biztalk. It simply didn’t work. I complained about it and was eventually hauled into a room with some MS PMs who told me in no uncertain terms that indeed, Biztalk didn’t work and it was essentially garbage that no one, including us, should ever use. Just pretend you’re doing something and when the week is up, go home. Tell everyone you’ve integrated with Biztalk. It won’t matter.
wahnfrieden 9mo ago
Reading about ubiquitous Claude Code use inside of Apple and Microsoft, and not Codex, makes me very worried about forthcoming software quality. Claude Code is fun, full of personality, many features to hack around model shortcomings, and very quick, but it should not be let anywhere near serious coding work. That's also why OpenClaw uses Claude for personality, but its author (@steipete) disallows any contribution to it using Claude Code and uses Codex exclusively for its development. Claude Code is a slop producer with illusions of productivity.
- falloutx 9mo ago
  I dont know about Apple, but Microsoft is completely consumed by this new AI coding wave. Apple probably still has some reasonable use policy, but microsoft has lost it entirely. I dont see myself using any microsoft software anytime soon.
  - wahnfrieden 9mo ago
    Apple is all Claude Code internally (Also a signal for why devs should not bother with their shoddy Xcode AI work - Apple devs are not using it)
TZubiri 9mo ago
Friendship ended with OpenAI, Now Anthropic is my best friend
- disqard 9mo ago
  Is this the "beginning of the end" for OpenAI?
  - chasd00 9mo ago
    That and if Nvidia backs out of their $100B promise it may not be the death knell but it would certainly by a step backward for OpenAI. https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-100-billion-megadeal-between-openai-and-nvidia-is-on-ice-aa3025e3 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-100-billion-megadeal-between...
  - TZubiri 9mo ago
    Yes the product's secret sauce is out and it's becomming a commodity. But OpenAI is still innovating with new subcategories, and even in cases where it did not innovate (Claude Code came first and OpenAI responded with Codex), it outdoes its competitors. Codex is being widely preferred by the most popular vibecode devs, notably Moltbook's dev, but also Jess Fraz. In terms of pricing, OAI holds by far the most expensive product so it's still positioned as a quality option, to give an example, most providers have a 3 tier price for API calls. Anthropic has 1$/3$/5$ (per output MTokens) Gemini has 3$/12$ (2tier) OpenAI has 2$/14$/168$ So the competitors are mainly competing in price in the API category To give another datapoint, Google just released multimodal (image input) models like 1 or 2 months ago. This has been in ChatGPT for almost a year now
- endemic 9mo ago
  Best friendship takes place! https://www.folklore.org/I'll_Be_Your_Best_Friend.html https://www.folklore.org/I'll_Be_Your_Best_Friend.html
  - TZubiri 9mo ago
    Learning about tech folklore is the best part of Hacker News, there's stuff you can't learn from books or tutorials (well maybe you could, but you are unlikely to reach it on your own.)
kachapopopow 9mo ago
I think they are also using AI to name everything because no human on this planet would come up with Microsoft 365 Copilot.
- kachapopopow 9mo ago
  this was supposed to be a reply
- cake_robot 9mo ago
  IDK given where they've gone w/ Xbox naming, pre-LLMs
wendgeabos 9mo ago
So, is claude code really better than codex with latest gpt model, or do people just hate on openai so much that no one (but me apparently) is using them? I am asking this question seriously because if so I will make the switch, but codex seems to be quite good to me so I don't want to waste time switching.
- Freedumbs 9mo ago
  Yes. It's much better. Codex is good for an extra review on plans. There's no need to switch. Use both.
- dboon 9mo ago
  Codex is not a good harness, but GPT-5.2 and related flavors produce, in my experience, better code than Opus 4.5, and by a surprising margin.
- tomashubelbauer 9mo ago
  I used to use Claude Code with Opus exclusively because of how good it is IME. Then Anthropic banned me so I switched to OpenCode. I really want OpenCode to win, but there is long way for it to get the same polish in the UX department (and to get a handle on the memory leaks). I am 100 % sure Claude Code is hacks upon hacks internally, but on the surface, it works quite well (not that they have fixed the flashing issue). With OpenCode I also switched to GPT-5.2-Codex and I have to say it's fairly garbage IME. I can't get it to keep working, it takes every opportunity to either tell me what I should do next for it or just tell me it figured a particular piece of the larger puzzle out and that if I want it can continue. It is not nearly as independent as Opus it. Now I'm on the Codex CLI with GPT-5.2 as I figured maybe the harness is the issue, but it is not very good either.
songodongo 9mo ago
I don’t understand how their various Copilot tools are so bad. Are they using a proprietary model instead of ChatGPT or Claude?
superfrank 9mo ago
I feel like I must be missing something, but I just cannot understand the hype around Claude Code. Don't get me wrong, I'm fully bought in on using AI for development and am super happy to use Copilot or Cursor, but as an experienced developer just chatting with the terminal feels so wrong. I've tried it so many times to switch and I can't get into it. Can anyone else share what their workflow with CC looks like? Even if I never end up switching I'd like to at least feel like I gave it a good shot and made a choice based on that, but right now I just feel like I'm doing something wrong.
- gganley 9mo ago
  I'll take a crack at it. I liked using Cursor and it was my first introduction but my main editor is Emacs and I like Emacs, it has a bunch of configuration that has built up like barnacles on the bottom of a ship so it was kind of hard using VS Code. I use a project package (projectile) that allows me to quickly move between different projects (git repos, TRAMP sessions, anything really) and I can open a CC terminal there that I can have pop in and out as I need it. Really it's pretty similar to how I used Cursor.
- theflyinghorse 9mo ago
  Workflow is this: - I have emacs open for code editing/reviews/git. - Separate terminal emulator with 1-3 claudes - I work on a story by splitting it into small steps ("Let's move this email logic to the email.service.ts", "here's the fields I'd need to add to the request, create a schema validation in a separate file, and update the router and controller") - I mostly watch claude, and occasionally walk through the code in emacs whenever I feel like I want to review code. - I handle external tools like git or db migrations myself not letting LLMs near them. In essence, this is pretty much how you'd run a group of juniors - you'd sit on slack and jira diving up work and doing code reviews.
  - superfrank 9mo ago
    > I work on a story by splitting it into small steps It's funny because that's basically the approach I take in GH Copilot. I first work with it to create a plan broken up into small steps and save that to an md file and then I have it go one step at a time reviewing the changes as it goes or just when it's done. I understand that you're using emacs to keep an eye on the code as it goes, so maybe what I wasn't groking was that people were using terminal based code editors to see the changes it was making. I assumed most people were just letting it do it s thing and then trying to review everything at the end, but felt like an anti-pattern given how much we (dev community) push for small PRs over gigantic 5k line PRs.
strongpigeon 9mo ago
A friend of mine over there told me their VP put a mandate that everyone should install and use Claude Code and write a weekly report on their usage (what they did, what worked, etc.). They also track token usage and have a leaderboard of who uses the most token. It reminds me of this [0] Dilbert comic, but heh. [0]: https://x.com/idera_software/status/573165928264810496 https://x.com/idera_software/status/573165928264810496
- chasd00 9mo ago
  They should just screenshot /stats ...but not /cost heh
ddtaylor 9mo ago
I think Copilot is a platform or marketplace more than anything an Microsoft doesn't really need to care about what models are being used. They don't need to have a secret sauce as much as they need to make the entire ecosystem easy to use. They have had a lot of success over the years with VSC and this seems to build on that.
major505 9mo ago
I think is funny, because is not the first time I hear about microsoft employees not using the company products. I worked on a project with some microsoft engineers to create a chatbot plugin for Salesforce, using Microsoft Power Virtual Agent, and the comunication tool they used was Slack and not teams. And I was obligated to use teams because of the consuting company I worked at the time. And also the version control they used at the time was I think SVN, and not TFS.
winnie_ua 9mo ago
Genious. Post link to paywalled article!
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throwappleaway 9mo ago
Claude Code is everywhere inside Apple too. Almost everyone has access to it and many use it
h4kunamata 9mo ago
After their gaming stock crashing, making Windows 11 completely useless, not to mention its Copilot adoption getting nowhere, this was just a matter of time. Windows 11 falling apart after AI adoption tells their AI, vibe coding is not going as planned. If you saw their latest report claiming to focus on fixing the trust on Windows, it is a little too late, even newbies moved to Linux, and with AMD driver support, gaming is no longer an excuse.
gurrkin 9mo ago
A lot of Claude love in here. I have used Claude on the web (free tier) well over a year ago and had good results with it, but I need good integration with IntelliJ since I work almost exclusively in Kotlin. Can anyone attest to it? The reviews on the plugin are awful, but so are the reviews for the Copilot plugin. I find Copilot pretty good in there, though the tooling is a little second-class, and it often gets "stuck" in the terminal.
- pietz 9mo ago
  Why not just use it in the terminal? That's literally what it was built for.
- 8note 9mo ago
  use claude code, with an lsp integration for kotlin
Vaslo 9mo ago
I bet it goes the way of Edge, where they just tap out and “fork” Claude.
sweetrabh 9mo ago
The rapid adoption of AI coding agents raises important questions about trust boundaries. When an agent like Claude Code needs to handle sensitive operations - API keys, credentials, database connections - how do you prevent those secrets from ending up in the model's context or logs? We ran into this building a password automation tool (thepassword.app). The solution: the AI orchestrates browser navigation, but actual credential values are injected locally and never enter the model's reasoning loop. Prompt injection can't exfiltrate what's not in the context. As these tools move into enterprise settings, I expect we'll see more architectural patterns emerge for keeping sensitive data out of agentic workflows entirely.
srinath693 9mo ago
The embarrassing part isn't that Microsoft employees prefer Claude Code. It's that Microsoft had every advantag, the OpenAI partnership, the distribution, the enterprise relationships, the $13B investment and still built a product their own engineers don't want to use. That's not a model problem. That's a product taste problem. Anthropic built Claude Code with like 30 engineers. Microsoft has tens of thousands. At some point you have to accept that no amount of investment compensates for not actually understanding what developers need.
apexalpha 9mo ago
Putting a co-pilot button on laptops before they even figured out what exactly they want to do with it is just peak MicroSoft Product Strategy.

409 points by Anon84 9mo ago

https://archive.ph/vc3Cn https://archive.ph/vc3Cn

phito 9mo ago

Well yeah, it is just better. At my work we have a copilot license, but we use it to access Claude Sonnet/Opus model in OpenCode.

azaras 9mo ago
The Copilot-Cli is not so bad, https://github.com/features/copilot/cli https://github.com/features/copilot/cli
- hpdigidrifter 9mo ago
  Can't speak for copilot but Gemini cli is unbelievably bad compared to Gemini web. CC has some magic secret sauce and I'm not sure what it is. My company pays for both too, I keep coming back to Claude all-round
  - mcintyre1994 9mo ago
    Claude Code is one of a very few AI tools where I genuinely think the people at the company who build it use it all the time.
    - danw1979 9mo ago
      He does ! https://x.com/bcherny/status/2007179832300581177 https://x.com/bcherny/status/2007179832300581177
    - taude 9mo ago
      watch the interviews with Boris. He absolutely uses it to build CC.
    - vdm 9mo ago
      s/AI//
    - giancarlostoro 9mo ago
      They absolutely do, the CEO has come out and said a few engineers have told him that they dont even write code by hand anymore. To some people that sounds horrifying, but a good engineer would not just take code blindly, they would read it and refine it using Claude, while still saving hundreds of man hours.
      - lelanthran 9mo ago
        > They absolutely do, the CEO has come out and said a few engineers have told him that they dont even write code by hand anymore. To some people that sounds horrifying, but a good engineer would not just take code blindly, they would read it and refine it using Claude, while still saving hundreds of man hours. TBH, that isn't sustainable. Skills atrophy. At some point they are going take the code blindly. Considering what they have said in the past about agentic code changes, they are already doing just that - blindly approving code from the agent. I say this because when I last read what one of their engineers on CC tweeted/posted/whatever, I thought to myself "No human can review that many lines of code per month"[1]. --------- [1] IIRC, it was something stupid like 30kLoc reviewed in a month by a single engineer.
        kamaal 9mo ago
        >>Skills atrophy. I keep telling my friends while experienced devs feel extremely productive. The newer ones will likely not develop skills needed to work with finer aspects of code. This might work for a while, but you do a year or two of this, and then as little as a small Python script will feel like yak shaving.
    - MarcelOlsz 9mo ago
      I know they do because of how painfully awful the Claude web/Claude desktops uxui is, as well as performance.
  - michaelcampbell 9mo ago
    I would love to hear/see a definitive answer for this, but I read somewhere that the relationship between MS and \A is such that the copilot version of the \A models has a smaller context window than through CC. This would explain the "secret sauce", if it's true. But perhaps it's not and a lot is LLM nondeterminism mixing with human confirmation bias.
- k__ 9mo ago
  It's sluggish in GitHub Codespaces, as it has so many animations.
- taude 9mo ago
  Agreed. I was an early adopter of Claude Code. And at work we only had Copilot. But the Copilit CLI isn't too bad now. you've got slash commands for Agents.MD and skills.md files now for controlling your context, and access to Sonnet & Opus 4.5. Maybe Microsoft is just using it internally, to finish copying the rest of the features from Claude Code. Much like the article states, I use Claude Code beyond just it's coding capabilities....
  - yesiamyourdad 9mo ago
    Same situation, once I discovered the CLI and got it set up, my happiness went up a lot. It's pretty good, for my purposes at work it's probably as good as Claude Code.
- tveita 9mo ago
  The Copilot IntelliJ integration on the other hand is atrocious: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/17718-github-copilot--your-ai-pair-programmer https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/17718-github-copilot--y... I'm amazed that a company that's supposedly one of the big AI stocks seemingly won't spare a single QA position for a major development tool. It really validates Claude's CLI-first approach.
lifetimerubyist 9mo ago
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dude250711 9mo ago

We can certainly see, every Windows update requires flipping a coin now.

onion2k 9mo ago

Microsoft have a goal that states they want to get to "1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code." You can't do that if you write the code yourself. That means they'll always be chasing the best model. Right now, that's Opus 4.5.

sarchertech 9mo ago
Looks like the guy who posted that updated his post to say he was just talking about a research project he is working on.
- anonymous908213 9mo ago
  Which is a bald-faced lie written in response to a PR disaster. The original claims were not ambiguous: > My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030. Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases. Our North Star is “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code”. Obviously, "every line of C and C++ from Microsoft" is not contained within a single research project, nor are "Microsoft's largest codebases".
  - sarchertech 9mo ago
    I mean 100% that was his goal. But that was one guy without the power to set company wide goals talking on LinkedIn. The fact that there are distinguished engineers at MS who think that is a reasonable goal is frightening though.
  - coldtea 9mo ago
    The authentic quote “1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code” as some kind of goal that makes sense, even just for porting/rewriting, is embarassing enough from an OS vendor. As @mrbungie says on this thread: "They took the stupidest metric ever and made a moronic target out of it"
  - jodrellblank 9mo ago
    The original claims were not ambigious, it's "My" goal not "Microsoft's goal". The fact that it's a "PR disaster" for a researcher to have an ambitious project at one of the biggest tech companies on the planet, or to talk up their team on LinkedIn, is unbelievably ridiculous.

fastThinking 9mo ago

So Copilot is for customers, Claude is for getting actual work done?

k__ 9mo ago
Copilot isn't a model, you can use Claude via Copilot.
- cush 9mo ago
  I don’t think that’s what they were insinuating. Claude Code internally, Copilot for customers.
- thesdev 9mo ago
  Copilot is anything you want it to be inside Microsoft. Heck even Office is Copilot nowadays.
  - SoftTalker 9mo ago
    Seems to be their "Watson."
- taude 9mo ago
  Both use the same models. But Claude Code has something special that Microsoft doesn't have in Github Copilot CLI.
- theanonymousone 9mo ago
  Neither is Copilot. The title explicitly mentions Claude "Code".
monocularvision 9mo ago
Copilot in the streets, Claude in the sheets.

lloydatkinson 9mo ago

I have found that Claude Code is better in every way I've used it. I like to use LLM's just as an advanced refactoring tool, especially where plain string search isn't enough. Anyway, my first experience of Copilot was it plainly lying that it deleted files I asked it to, and it insisted the file no longer existed (it did). The difference between the two is stark.

blibble 9mo ago
"my turds now contains 15% candyfloss!"

dataviz1000 9mo ago

I installed Claude Code yesterday after the quality of VSCode Copilot Chat continuously is getting worse every release. I can't tell yet if Claude Code is better or not but VSCode Copilot Chat has become completely unusable. It would start making mistakes which would double the requests to Claude Opus 4.5 which in January is the only model that would work at all. I spent $400 in tokens in January. I'll know better in a week. Hopefully I can get better results with the $200 a month plan.

oefrha 9mo ago
Claude Code’s subscription pricing is pretty ridiculously subsidized compared to their API pricing if you manage to use anywhere close to the quota. Like 10x I think. Crazy value if you were using $400 in tokens.
- dataviz1000 9mo ago
  I just upgraded to the $100 a month 5x plan 5 minutes ago. Starting in October with Vscode Copilot Chat it was $150, $200, $300, $400 per month with the same usage. I thought they were just charging more per request without warning. The last couple weeks it seemed that vscode copilot was just fucking up making useless calls. Perhaps, it wasn't a dark malicious pattern but rather incompetence that was driving up the price.
  - joncrane 9mo ago
    "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence"
zzbzq 9mo ago
Not my experience at all. Copilot launched as a useless code complete, is now basically the same as anything. It's all converging. The features are converging, but the features barely matter anyway when Opus is just doing all the heavy lifting anyway. It just 1-shots half the stuff. Copilot's payment model where you pay by the prompt not by the token is highly abusable, no way this lasts.

bakugo 9mo ago

Explains why Windows updates have been more broken than usual lately. But I guess having my computer randomly stop working because a billion dollar corporation needs to save money by using a shitty text generation algorithm to write code instead of hiring competent programmers is just the new normal now.

johnebgd 9mo ago
I switched to Ubuntu last week for my desktop. First time in my 25+ year career I’ve felt like Microsoft was wasting my time more than administering a Linux desktop would take. The slop effect is real.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo ago
  Linux kernels will all eventually be permeated with AI-gen code as well. It will just take longer to see and feel the effects.
  - bflesch 9mo ago
    Your argument is in bad faith because you are using false equivalence bias.
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo ago
      I wasn't making an argument. It was a prediction that all major software, (including the major linux distros) will eventually be majority (>50%) AI generated. Software that is 100% human generated will be like getting a hand knitted sweater at a farmers market. Available, but expensive and only produced at very small scale.
      - vv_ 9mo ago
        On what reasoning do you make this prediction? Just because corporations are mandating their employees to use AI right now does not mean it will continue.

pjmlp 9mo ago

That isn't going well for Satya.

wolvoleo 9mo ago
Indeed it's not: https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/01/09/is-microsoft-losing-the-ai-race-copilot-web-is-still-stuck-at-1-market-share-we-dont-know-how-popular-it-is-on-windows-11/ https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/01/09/is-microsoft-losing... And: https://www.perspectives.plus/p/microsoft-365-copilot-commercial-failure https://www.perspectives.plus/p/microsoft-365-copilot-commer... Tldr: Copilot has 1% marketshare among web chatbots and 1.85% of paid M365 users bought a subscription to it. As much as I think AI is overrated already, Copilot is pretty much the worst performing one out there from the big tech companies. Despite all the Copilot buttons in office, windows, on keyboards and even on the physical front of computers now. We have to use it at work but it just feels like if they spent half the effort they spend on marketing on actually trying to make it do its job people might actually want to use it. Half the time it's not even doing anything. "Please try again later" or the standard error message Microsoft uses for every possible error now: "Something went wrong". Another pet peeve of mine, those useless error messages.
- pjmlp 9mo ago
  Yeah, my problem the way it has been pushed is that how it doesn't make sense at all. Improve the workflows that would benefit "AI" algorithms, image recognition, voice control, hand writing, code completion, and so on. No need to put buttons to chat windows all over the place.
  - wolvoleo 9mo ago
    Yeah but it's the mainstream public that was just blown away with the LLM party trick. If it sounds like a human it must be smart like a human. So that's what everyone wants to sell :( PS: When I say party trick I don't deny it has its uses but it's currently used like the jesus-AI that can do anything.
- tomjen3 9mo ago

oefrha 9mo ago

I try GitHub Copilot every once in a while, and just last month it still managed to produce diffs with unbalanced curly braces, or tried to insert (what should be) a top-level function into the middle of another function and screw up everything. This wasn’t on a free model like GPT 4.1 or 5-mini, IIRC it was 5.2 Codex. What the actual fuck? Only explanation I can come up with is that their pay-per-request model made GHC really stingy with using tokens for context, even when you explicitly ask it to read certain files it ends up grepping and adding a couple lines.

zzbzq 9mo ago
You're not using the good models and then blaming the tool? Just use claude models. Copilot's main problem seems to be people don't know how to use it. They need to delete all their plugins except the vscode, CLI ones, and disable all models except anthropic ones. The Claude Code reputation diff is greatly exaggerated beyond that.
- oefrha 9mo ago
  What, 5.2 Codex isn’t a good model? Claude 4.5 and Gemini 3 Pro with Copilot aren’t any better, I don’t have enough of a sample of Opus 4.5 usage with Copilot to say with confidence how it fares since they charge 3x for Opus 4.5 compared to everything else. If Copilot is stupid uniquely with 5.2 Codex then they should disable that instead of blaming the user (I know they aren’t, you are). But that’s not the case, it’s noticeably worse with everything. Compared to both Cursor and Claude Code.
- howdareme9 9mo ago
  5.2 Codex is up there with claude lmao
  - sandos 9mo ago
    Agree, but it seems dependent on field. One day I wanted a browser extension made, and 5.2-codex-max added hundreds of lines of code several times, and for 15-20 iterations I did not change one thing, or even have an opinion on what it was doing. This is extremely uncommon for other models for me, even Opus I would say. And yes, I mostly do small green-field things and not even that works all the time, even if LLMs are clearly at their best there.

kcb 9mo ago

And probably running on their macbooks...

GaProgMan 9mo ago
True story: a lot of the Microsoft engineers I interact with actually do use Apple hardware. Admittedly, I onto interact with the devs on the .NET (and related technologies) departments. Specifically WHY they use Apple hardware is something I can only speculate on. Presumably it's easier to launch Windows on Mac than the other way around, and they would likely need to do that as .NET and its related technologies are cross platform as of 2016. But that's a complete guess on my part. Am *NOT* a Microsoft employee, just an MVP for Developer Technnolgies.
- arcologies1985 9mo ago
  Probably because "Windows Modern Standby" makes laptops unusable by turning them on in your backpack and cooking them. https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c
  - m-schuetz 9mo ago
    I still don't understand how Microsoft lets standby remain broken. I can never leave the PC in my bedroom ij standby because it will randomly wake up and blast the coolers.
    - cosmic_cheese 9mo ago
      Probably because the quality of PC BIOS/firmware is generally abysmal and getting vendors to follow spec is like herding cats.
      - mrweasel 9mo ago
        Sadly even if Microsoft had a few lineups of laptops that they'd use internally and recommend, companies would still get the shitty ones, if it saves them $10 per device.

fragmede 9mo ago

32 comments and no mention of codex or windsurf or cursor.

make3 9mo ago
have people tried Antigravity
- hxugufjfjf 9mo ago
  They have
falloutx 9mo ago
Lets give Crush some love. Claude still cant do half the things Crush can do. Plus: you can use Kimi 2.5 with Crush soon

paxys 9mo ago

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

catlover76 9mo ago
It's ok, but it too frequently edits WAY more than it needs to in order to accomplish the task at hand. GPT-5.2 sometimes does this too. Opus-4.5 is the best at understanding what you actually want, though it is ofc not perfect.
jckahn 9mo ago
Yeah I don't understand why everyone seems to have forgotten about the Gemini options. Antigravity, Jules, and Gemini CLI are as good as the alternatives but are way more cost effective. I want for nothing with my $20/mo Google AI plan.
- paxys 9mo ago
  Yeah I'm on the $20/mo Google plan and have been rate limited maybe twice in 2 months. Tried the equivalent Claude plan for a similar workload and lasted maybe 40 minutes before it asked me to upgrade to Max to continue.
  - lelanthran 9mo ago
    > Yeah I'm on the $20/mo Google plan and have been rate limited maybe twice in 2 months. Tried the equivalent Claude plan for a similar workload and lasted maybe 40 minutes before it asked me to upgrade to Max to continue. The TLDR: The $20/40m cost is more reflective of what inference actually costs, including the amortised cost of the Capex, together with the Opex. The Long Read: I think the reason is because Anthropic is attempting to run inference at a profit and Google isn't. Another reason could be that they don't own their cost centers (GPUs are from Nvidia, Cloud instances are from AWS, data centers from AWS, etc); they own only the model but rent everything else needed for inference so pay a margin for all those rented cost centers. Google owns their entire vertical (GPUs are google-made, Cloud instances and datacenters are Google-owned, etc) and can apply vertical cost optimisations, so their final cost of inference is going to be much cheaper anyway even if they were not subsidising inference with their profits from unrelated business units.

tylerchilds 9mo ago

This is funny because everyone’s AI strategy should have been “What do we actually need to be productive?” Which is how Anthropic pulled ahead of Microsoft, that prioritized checks notes Taking screenshots of every windows user’s desktop every few seconds. For productivity.

paxys 9mo ago
Anthropic has a model. Microsoft doesn't.
- satvikpendem 9mo ago
  Microsoft can use OpenAI models but it's not the model that's the problem, it's the application of them. Anthropic simply knows how to execute better.
  - bhadass 9mo ago
    they should just acquire one of the many agent code harnesses. Something like opencode works just as well as claude-code and has only been around half of the time.
    - w0m 9mo ago
      I used opencode happily for a while before switching to copilot cli. Been a minute , but I don't detect a major quality difference since they added Plan mode. Seems pretty solid, and first party if that matters to your org.
  - formerly_proven 9mo ago
    As evidenced by Anthropic models not performing well in github presents copilot.
    - speedgoose 9mo ago
      I read that a few times but from my personal observations, Claude Opus 4.5 is not significantly different in GitHub Copilot. The maximum context size is smaller for sure, but I don’t think the model remembers that well when the context is huge.

kemotep 9mo ago

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Copilot. Laptops sell with Copilot buttons now. It is not immediately clear what version of Copilot someone is talking about. 99% of my experience is with the Office and it 100% fails to do the thing it was advertised to do 2 years ago when work initially got the subscription. Point it a SharePoint/OneDrive location, a handful of excel spreadsheets and pdfs/word docs and tell it to make a PowerPoint presentation based on that information. It cannot do this. It will spit out nonsense. You have to hold it by the hand tell it everything to do step by step to the point that making the PowerPoint presentation yourself is significantly faster because you don’t have to type out a bunch of prompts and edit it’s garbage output. And now it’s clear they aren’t even dogfooding their own LLM products so why should anyone pay for Copilot?

pixl97 9mo ago
>Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions Microsoft cannot and will not ever get better at naming things. It is said the universe will split open and and eldritch beast will consume the stars the day Microsoft stops using inconsistent and overlapping names for different and conflicting products. Isn't that right .Net/dotnet
- i80and 9mo ago
  I remember when everything was "Sign in with .NET Passport" as a yoot and just being like "what the hell are you talking about"
- twisteriffic 9mo ago
  Cries in dapper dapr
- anal_reactor 9mo ago
  I'm "I don't know what Xbox is" years old.

moi2388 9mo ago

“ Microsoft told me last year that 91 percent of its engineering teams use GitHub Copilot” Well, that might explain why all their products are unusable lately.

Supermancho 9mo ago
They have been unstable for decades. Does anyone still use self-hosted (running in a basement) windows servers? Running a windows machine feels like it's about as reliable as fast food order accuracy. Most of the time sure, but I hope you can afford to miss out sometimes.

paxys 9mo ago

Crazy to think that Github Copilot was the first mainstream AI coding tool. It had all the hype and momentum in the world, and Microsoft decided to do...absolutely nothing with it.

llm_nerd 9mo ago
Did it have all the hype and momentum, though? It was pretty widely viewed as a low- to negative-value addition, and honestly when I see someone on here talking about how useless AI is for coding, I assume they were tainted by Github copilot and never bothered updating their priors.
- freedomben 9mo ago
  just my experience of course, but it had a lot of hype. It got into a lot of people's workflow and really had a strong first mover advantage. The fact that they supported neovim as a first-class editor surely helped a ton. But then they released their next set of features without neovim support and only (IIRC) support VS Code. That took a lot of wind out of the sails. Then combined with them for some reason being on older models (or with thinking turned down or whatever), the results got less and less useful. If Co-pilot had made their agent stuff work with neovim and with a CLI, I think they'd be the clear leader.
- interestpiqued 9mo ago
  My first experience was with cursor and my entire team went through a honeymoon period before it got kind of sidelined. Average usage was giving an agent a couple shots at a problem but usually solving it ourselves ultimately. Internal demos were lackluster. Team was firmware though so might not be a great topic for GenAI yet.
ecshafer 9mo ago
Microsoft is still Microsoft.
eloisant 9mo ago
It was kinda cool for a demo, but Claude Code really was the first game changer in AI coding.

softwaredoug 9mo ago

It really says something that MS/Github has been trying to shovel Copilot down our throats for years, and Anthropic just builds a tool in a short period of time and it takes off. It's interesting to think back, what did Copilot do wrong? Why didn't it become Claude Code? It seems for one thing its ambition might have been too small. Second, it was tightly coupled to VS Code / Github. Third, a lot of dumb big org Microsoft politics / stakeholders overly focused on enterprise over developers? But what else?

firemelt 9mo ago
because claude code do it fullstack u know, the model and implementation, the interation is seamless, meanwhile ms and github, is waiting for any breadcrumb that chatgpt leave with
- adastra22 9mo ago
  So is GitHub copilot. They run their own models.
moregrist 9mo ago
I think the answer is pretty simple. It's pretty clear that Microsoft had "Everything must have Copilot" dictated from the top (or pretty close). They wanted to be all-in on AI but didn't start with any actual problems to solve. If you're an SWE or a PM or whatever and suddenly your employment/promotion/etc prospects depend on a conspicuously implemented Copilot thing, you do the best you can and implement a chat bot (and other shit) that no one asked for or wants. I don't know Anthropic's process but it produced a tool that clearly solves a specific problem: essentially write code faster. I would guess that the solution grew organically given that the UI isn't remotely close to what you'd expect a product manager to want. We don't know how many internal false-starts there were or how many people were working on other solutions to this problem, but what emerged clearly solved that problem, and can generalize to other problems. In other words, Microsoft seems to have focused on a technology buzzword. Anthropic let people solve their own problems and it led to an actual product. The kind that people want. The difference is like night and day. Who knows what else might have happened in the last 12 months if C-suites were focused more on telling SWEs to be productive and less on forcing specific technology buzzwords because they were told it's the future.

jonathanoliver 9mo ago

Kinda reminds of the time Microsoft used git internally but was pushing Team Foundation Server.

pluralmonad 9mo ago
There is an entire generation of devs that TFS ruined for version control. I've had to essentially rehabilitate folks and heal old TFS wounds to get them properly using git (so many copies of repos on their filesystem...).
- MarcelOlsz 9mo ago
  Sounds like they would have loved git worktrees.

firemelt 9mo ago

so whats the point of billions dollar investment to chatgpt lmao nadella

EMM_386 9mo ago

What are we discussing here? The tools or the models? It's getting absurdly confusing. "Claude Code" is an interface to Claude, Cursor is an IDE (I think?! VS Code fork?), GitHub Copilot is a CLI or VS Code plugin to use with ... Claude, or GPT models, or ... If they are using "Claude Code" that means they are using Anthropic's models - which is interesting given their huge investment in OpenAI. But this is getting silly. People think "CoPilot" is "Microsoft's AI" which it isn't. They have OpenAI on Azure. Does Microsoft even have a fine-tuned GPT model or are they just prompting an OpenAI model for their Windows-builtins? When you say you use CoPilot with Claude Opus people get confused. But this is what I do everyday at work. shrug

newzino 9mo ago

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ChrisArchitect 9mo ago

2 week old post feeling like part of the other weirdly promotional "Claude is everywhere right now" pieces that were around. Someone called it an advertising carpet bombing run. A.I. Tool Is Going Viral. Five Ways People Are Using It https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/technology/claude-code.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/23/technology/claude-code.ht... Claude Is Taking the AI World by Storm, and Even Non-Nerds Are Blown Away https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-claude-code-ai-7a46460e https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-claude-code-ai-7a46460...

falloutx 9mo ago
Anthropic is known for this, they are purposefully putting these stories on the websites execs and managers read. They even astroturf HN every chance they get with 2 blog posts a week (sometimes even more).

veryfancy 9mo ago

GitHub Copilot with Opus 4.5 as the model is great. I have not tried Claude Code, so maybe I don’t know what I’m missing.

smithkl42 9mo ago
I'm one of those really odd beasts that feels some sort of loyalty to Microsoft, so I started out on Copilot and was very reluctant to try Claude Code. But as soon as I did, I figured out what the hype was about. It's just able to work over larger code bases and over longer time horizons than Copilot. The last time I tried Copilot, just to compare, I noticed that it would make some number of tool calls (not even involving tokens!) and then decide, "Nah, that's too many. We're just not going to do any work for a while." It was bizarre. And sometimes it would decide that a given bog-standard tool call (like read a file or something) needed to get my permission every. single. time. I couldn't do anything to convince it otherwise. I eventually gave up. And since then, we've built all our LLM support infrastructure around Claude Code, so it would be painful to go back to anything else.
- torginus 9mo ago
  I don't really like how Claude Code kind of obscures the actual code from you - I guess that's why people keep putting out articles about how certain programmers have absolutely no idea whats going on inside the code. It's truly more capable but still not capable enough that Im comfortable blindly trusting the output.
  - tomashubelbauer 9mo ago
    This is not a problem when you assume the role of an architect and a reviewer and leave the entirety of the coding to Claude Code. You'll pretty much live in the Git Changes view of your favorite IDE leaving feedback for Claude Code and staging what it managed to get right so far. I guess there is a leap of faith to make because if you don't go all the way and you try to code together with Claude Code, it will mess with your stuff and undo a lot of it and it's just frustrating and not optimal. But if you remove yourself from the loop completely, then indeed you'll have no idea what's going on. There still needs to be a human in the loop, and in the right part of it, otherwise you're just vibe coding garbage.

gloomyday 9mo ago

Microsoft products are decreasing in quality at an astounding rate. You can clearly see that sales people took over the whole company.

falloutx 9mo ago
Its accelerated slopfication of Microsoft. And what are they are doing to fix it? More AI. The thing what is clearly making it worse. I think every division except Azure and Office are losing money at this point.

torginus 9mo ago

To this day I cannot wrap my head around the fact why did Microsoft allow a culture to grow inside the company (either through hiring, or through despondence) that at best is indifferent towards the company's products and at worst openly despises them? I'm sure no other tech company is like this. I think technologies like the Windows kernel and OS, the .NET framework, their numerous attempts to build a modern desktop UI framework with XAML, their dev tools, were fundamentally good at some point. Yet they cant or wont hire people who would fix Windows, rather than just maintain it, really push for modernization, make .NET actually cool and something people want to use. They'd rather hire folks who were taught at school that Microsoft is the devil and Linux is superior in all ways, who don't know the first thing about the MS tech stack, and would rather write React on the Macbooks (see the start menu incident), rather than touch anything made by Microsoft. It seems somehow the internal culture allows this. I'm sure if you forced devs to use Copilot, and provided them with the tools and organizational mandate to do so, it would become good enough eventually to not have to force people to use it. My main complaint I keep hearing about Azure (which I do not use at workr)

falloutx 9mo ago
Because the products have become terrible, and they keep using more AI to solve it when AI is the problem with Microsoft. Microsoft execs are only riding Azure success, rest of the orgs are completely useless.
Terretta 9mo ago
To fix the Koolaid you need people that haven't drunk it.
cgh 9mo ago
At the beginning of my career, sometime around 1999 or 2000, I was at Microsoft with our team because we were trying to integrate our product with this absolute piece of junk called Microsoft Biztalk. It simply didn’t work. I complained about it and was eventually hauled into a room with some MS PMs who told me in no uncertain terms that indeed, Biztalk didn’t work and it was essentially garbage that no one, including us, should ever use. Just pretend you’re doing something and when the week is up, go home. Tell everyone you’ve integrated with Biztalk. It won’t matter.

wahnfrieden 9mo ago

Reading about ubiquitous Claude Code use inside of Apple and Microsoft, and not Codex, makes me very worried about forthcoming software quality. Claude Code is fun, full of personality, many features to hack around model shortcomings, and very quick, but it should not be let anywhere near serious coding work. That's also why OpenClaw uses Claude for personality, but its author (@steipete) disallows any contribution to it using Claude Code and uses Codex exclusively for its development. Claude Code is a slop producer with illusions of productivity.

falloutx 9mo ago
I dont know about Apple, but Microsoft is completely consumed by this new AI coding wave. Apple probably still has some reasonable use policy, but microsoft has lost it entirely. I dont see myself using any microsoft software anytime soon.
- wahnfrieden 9mo ago
  Apple is all Claude Code internally (Also a signal for why devs should not bother with their shoddy Xcode AI work - Apple devs are not using it)

TZubiri 9mo ago

Friendship ended with OpenAI, Now Anthropic is my best friend

disqard 9mo ago
Is this the "beginning of the end" for OpenAI?
- chasd00 9mo ago
  That and if Nvidia backs out of their $100B promise it may not be the death knell but it would certainly by a step backward for OpenAI. https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-100-billion-megadeal-between-openai-and-nvidia-is-on-ice-aa3025e3 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-100-billion-megadeal-between...
- TZubiri 9mo ago
  Yes the product's secret sauce is out and it's becomming a commodity. But OpenAI is still innovating with new subcategories, and even in cases where it did not innovate (Claude Code came first and OpenAI responded with Codex), it outdoes its competitors. Codex is being widely preferred by the most popular vibecode devs, notably Moltbook's dev, but also Jess Fraz. In terms of pricing, OAI holds by far the most expensive product so it's still positioned as a quality option, to give an example, most providers have a 3 tier price for API calls. Anthropic has 1$/3$/5$ (per output MTokens) Gemini has 3$/12$ (2tier) OpenAI has 2$/14$/168$ So the competitors are mainly competing in price in the API category To give another datapoint, Google just released multimodal (image input) models like 1 or 2 months ago. This has been in ChatGPT for almost a year now
endemic 9mo ago
Best friendship takes place! https://www.folklore.org/I'll_Be_Your_Best_Friend.html https://www.folklore.org/I'll_Be_Your_Best_Friend.html
- TZubiri 9mo ago
  Learning about tech folklore is the best part of Hacker News, there's stuff you can't learn from books or tutorials (well maybe you could, but you are unlikely to reach it on your own.)

kachapopopow 9mo ago

I think they are also using AI to name everything because no human on this planet would come up with Microsoft 365 Copilot.

kachapopopow 9mo ago
this was supposed to be a reply
cake_robot 9mo ago
IDK given where they've gone w/ Xbox naming, pre-LLMs

wendgeabos 9mo ago

So, is claude code really better than codex with latest gpt model, or do people just hate on openai so much that no one (but me apparently) is using them? I am asking this question seriously because if so I will make the switch, but codex seems to be quite good to me so I don't want to waste time switching.

Freedumbs 9mo ago
Yes. It's much better. Codex is good for an extra review on plans. There's no need to switch. Use both.
dboon 9mo ago
Codex is not a good harness, but GPT-5.2 and related flavors produce, in my experience, better code than Opus 4.5, and by a surprising margin.
tomashubelbauer 9mo ago
I used to use Claude Code with Opus exclusively because of how good it is IME. Then Anthropic banned me so I switched to OpenCode. I really want OpenCode to win, but there is long way for it to get the same polish in the UX department (and to get a handle on the memory leaks). I am 100 % sure Claude Code is hacks upon hacks internally, but on the surface, it works quite well (not that they have fixed the flashing issue). With OpenCode I also switched to GPT-5.2-Codex and I have to say it's fairly garbage IME. I can't get it to keep working, it takes every opportunity to either tell me what I should do next for it or just tell me it figured a particular piece of the larger puzzle out and that if I want it can continue. It is not nearly as independent as Opus it. Now I'm on the Codex CLI with GPT-5.2 as I figured maybe the harness is the issue, but it is not very good either.

songodongo 9mo ago

I don’t understand how their various Copilot tools are so bad. Are they using a proprietary model instead of ChatGPT or Claude?

superfrank 9mo ago

I feel like I must be missing something, but I just cannot understand the hype around Claude Code. Don't get me wrong, I'm fully bought in on using AI for development and am super happy to use Copilot or Cursor, but as an experienced developer just chatting with the terminal feels so wrong. I've tried it so many times to switch and I can't get into it. Can anyone else share what their workflow with CC looks like? Even if I never end up switching I'd like to at least feel like I gave it a good shot and made a choice based on that, but right now I just feel like I'm doing something wrong.

gganley 9mo ago
I'll take a crack at it. I liked using Cursor and it was my first introduction but my main editor is Emacs and I like Emacs, it has a bunch of configuration that has built up like barnacles on the bottom of a ship so it was kind of hard using VS Code. I use a project package (projectile) that allows me to quickly move between different projects (git repos, TRAMP sessions, anything really) and I can open a CC terminal there that I can have pop in and out as I need it. Really it's pretty similar to how I used Cursor.
theflyinghorse 9mo ago
Workflow is this: - I have emacs open for code editing/reviews/git. - Separate terminal emulator with 1-3 claudes - I work on a story by splitting it into small steps ("Let's move this email logic to the email.service.ts", "here's the fields I'd need to add to the request, create a schema validation in a separate file, and update the router and controller") - I mostly watch claude, and occasionally walk through the code in emacs whenever I feel like I want to review code. - I handle external tools like git or db migrations myself not letting LLMs near them. In essence, this is pretty much how you'd run a group of juniors - you'd sit on slack and jira diving up work and doing code reviews.
- superfrank 9mo ago
  > I work on a story by splitting it into small steps It's funny because that's basically the approach I take in GH Copilot. I first work with it to create a plan broken up into small steps and save that to an md file and then I have it go one step at a time reviewing the changes as it goes or just when it's done. I understand that you're using emacs to keep an eye on the code as it goes, so maybe what I wasn't groking was that people were using terminal based code editors to see the changes it was making. I assumed most people were just letting it do it s thing and then trying to review everything at the end, but felt like an anti-pattern given how much we (dev community) push for small PRs over gigantic 5k line PRs.

strongpigeon 9mo ago

A friend of mine over there told me their VP put a mandate that everyone should install and use Claude Code and write a weekly report on their usage (what they did, what worked, etc.). They also track token usage and have a leaderboard of who uses the most token. It reminds me of this [0] Dilbert comic, but heh. [0]: https://x.com/idera_software/status/573165928264810496 https://x.com/idera_software/status/573165928264810496

chasd00 9mo ago
They should just screenshot /stats ...but not /cost heh

ddtaylor 9mo ago

I think Copilot is a platform or marketplace more than anything an Microsoft doesn't really need to care about what models are being used. They don't need to have a secret sauce as much as they need to make the entire ecosystem easy to use. They have had a lot of success over the years with VSC and this seems to build on that.

major505 9mo ago

I think is funny, because is not the first time I hear about microsoft employees not using the company products. I worked on a project with some microsoft engineers to create a chatbot plugin for Salesforce, using Microsoft Power Virtual Agent, and the comunication tool they used was Slack and not teams. And I was obligated to use teams because of the consuting company I worked at the time. And also the version control they used at the time was I think SVN, and not TFS.

winnie_ua 9mo ago

Genious. Post link to paywalled article!

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throwappleaway 9mo ago

Claude Code is everywhere inside Apple too. Almost everyone has access to it and many use it

h4kunamata 9mo ago

After their gaming stock crashing, making Windows 11 completely useless, not to mention its Copilot adoption getting nowhere, this was just a matter of time. Windows 11 falling apart after AI adoption tells their AI, vibe coding is not going as planned. If you saw their latest report claiming to focus on fixing the trust on Windows, it is a little too late, even newbies moved to Linux, and with AMD driver support, gaming is no longer an excuse.

gurrkin 9mo ago

A lot of Claude love in here. I have used Claude on the web (free tier) well over a year ago and had good results with it, but I need good integration with IntelliJ since I work almost exclusively in Kotlin. Can anyone attest to it? The reviews on the plugin are awful, but so are the reviews for the Copilot plugin. I find Copilot pretty good in there, though the tooling is a little second-class, and it often gets "stuck" in the terminal.

pietz 9mo ago
Why not just use it in the terminal? That's literally what it was built for.
8note 9mo ago
use claude code, with an lsp integration for kotlin

Vaslo 9mo ago

I bet it goes the way of Edge, where they just tap out and “fork” Claude.

sweetrabh 9mo ago

The rapid adoption of AI coding agents raises important questions about trust boundaries. When an agent like Claude Code needs to handle sensitive operations - API keys, credentials, database connections - how do you prevent those secrets from ending up in the model's context or logs? We ran into this building a password automation tool (thepassword.app). The solution: the AI orchestrates browser navigation, but actual credential values are injected locally and never enter the model's reasoning loop. Prompt injection can't exfiltrate what's not in the context. As these tools move into enterprise settings, I expect we'll see more architectural patterns emerge for keeping sensitive data out of agentic workflows entirely.

srinath693 9mo ago

The embarrassing part isn't that Microsoft employees prefer Claude Code. It's that Microsoft had every advantag, the OpenAI partnership, the distribution, the enterprise relationships, the $13B investment and still built a product their own engineers don't want to use. That's not a model problem. That's a product taste problem. Anthropic built Claude Code with like 30 engineers. Microsoft has tens of thousands. At some point you have to accept that no amount of investment compensates for not actually understanding what developers need.

apexalpha 9mo ago

Putting a co-pilot button on laptops before they even figured out what exactly they want to do with it is just peak MicroSoft Product Strategy.