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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations
https://archive.md/ArXuF https://archive.md/ArXuF
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/us-government-gives-anthropic-green-light-limited-re-release-mythos-5-rcna352018 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/us-government-gives-a...
- chungus_amongus 5mo agodespicable
- tristanj 5mo agoOriginal source: https://www.semafor.com/article/06/27/2026/us-releases-powerful-anthropic-model-mythos-to-some-us-companies https://www.semafor.com/article/06/27/2026/us-releases-power...
- enraged_camel 5mo ago@dang can you change it?
- jauntywundrkind 5mo ago* to some US companies. Asterisk the size of a Mac truck. Also this administration having say over who gets access to what AI is just so much more grift corruption and picking your favorites / destroying others, for these incdecent undemocratic in American grifters who've seized our state.
- wolvoleo 5mo agoIf this is the way things are now, isn't that going to crash the AI stocks? All those trillions dumped into it probably weren't with the expectation that it could only be sold to a handful of select US agencies and corporations.
- thrwaway55 5mo agoThey are all private aren't they? There's nothing to crash since the valuations were all made up funny raise numbers anyway. A donation to the right person likely removes the restrictions
- bluecalm 5mo agoThey all get serious investments from public companies and a lot of public companies rely on those private labs buying stuff from them.
- wolvoleo 5mo agoBut the effects on the industry as a whole are huge, look at the cost of memory, CPUs and GPUs. Many of the companies that make them are not private.
- bayarearefugee 5mo ago> If this is the way things are now, isn't that going to crash the AI stocks? Maybe, maybe not. Tech stocks are mostly vibes-based now, reality isn't really a concern for them.
- SpicyLemonZest 5mo agoDepends on how much of an overhang there is with the power of existing models. Have we discovered 10%, 50%, or 90% of the valuable applications for Opus 4.8 / GPT 5.5? Hard to be confident at this point.
- tracerbulletx 5mo agoImposing a licensing system on models for limiting domestic use should require an act of congress but I mean obviously we're well past that red line.
- tiahura 5mo agoThey did. Defense Production Act (50 U.S.C. § 4511 );Export Control Reform Act, 50 U.S.C. § 4812 are just two of them.
- naturalmovement 5mo ago[flagged]
- viscountchocula 5mo agoGenuine question: are non-citizen users within the US considered an "export"?
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- naturalmovement 5mo agoIt depends. Green card holder? No. Everyone else*: Yes. * It's far more complicated and nuanced than this.
- coffeemug 5mo agoRegulatory agencies limit uses of other products without acts of congress-- cigarettes, vapes, drugs, pesticides, chemicals, explosives. Even firearms, despite a constitutional amendment! Why not models? (Note I am not arguing it's a good idea; I'm making a narrow argument that there is precedent.) EDIT: I agree that it should require an act of Congress to explicitly delegate this power.
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- Hawkenfall 5mo agoThis appears to be only for Mythos 5 access, NOT Fable 5.
- sourthyme 5mo agoAren't these the same models?
- paxys 5mo agoMythos doesn't have the strict safeguards of Fable and is only accessible by a very small number of pre-approved companies.
- aesthesia 5mo agoUnder the hood, yes, but Mythos had more relaxed safeguards and was/is only available to a subset of approved customers under Project Glasswing, similar to the situation with GPT-5.6 now.
- qsxfthnkp2322 5mo agoFable was available to me as a normal person using Claude.ai Mythos never was and I don’t think that’s changing.
- ryan_n 5mo agoUntil the chinese make a comparable open source model at some point
- iAMkenough 5mo agoI’d say we’re about 5 years out from the Great Firewall of America, and requiring government ID associated with serial number to legally purchase components. America will do that before gun control.
- qsxfthnkp2322 5mo ago
- frogperson 5mo agoWho needs freedom of speech anyway? I'm just glad the trump admin is looking out for by best interests. /s
- pertymcpert 5mo agoWhy would they allow Mythos but not Fable? Fable is the one with more guardrails.
- nozzlegear 5mo agoTo quote famed businessman and philosopher Eugene Krabs: "Money."
- layer8 5mo agoThey only allow it for specific companies and agencies, which are trusted with the less restricted model. The general public is still not trusted to use Fable, apparently.
- LoganDark 5mo agoThe ban was on "Mythos-class models" which unfortunately includes Fable regardless of guardrails.
- __natty__ 5mo agoAnd we get the news the same time OpenAI releases 5.6. What a coincidence?
- xorgun 5mo ago[dead]
- mrandish 5mo agoI think they kind of had to since they allowed OpenAI to do a 5.6 "preview to trusted parties" today. The other driver is that the DoD/NSA wanted to get access to Mythos again. I figure OAI will now do several weeks of 'preview' like Anthropic did with Mythos. When OAI wants to release 5.6 wider to actually start making money with it, I expect Fable will get approved the same day. Back when the administration hit Mythos/Fable with the surprise ban, I figured this would be the endgame. They'd keep Anthropic tied up until a competitor had a roughly comparable model ready, then gate them the same.
- sscaryterry 5mo agoI thought Fable was a "safer" Mythos?!
- dchftcs 5mo agoI suppose the point is that Mythos was released to a smaller set of partners anyway and Fable is for the masses.
- zuzululu 5mo agoshould see 5.6 any day now
- skywhopper 5mo agoWhy post a content free link to Twitter for this?
- nozzlegear 5mo agoWowee, just happens to be on the same day of OpenAI's Sol announcement. How convenient for Dario and Anthropic!
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- outside1234 5mo agoIs there a list of the partners that get access? That should be public, right?
- mikestorrent 5mo agoBless your heart
- paxys 5mo agoTL;DR - OpenAI and Anthropic are both allowed to ship their most powerful models to a small number of companies pre-approved by Trump.
- aryonoco 5mo agoLand of the free, land of the brave. Free market. Freedom of speech. Market economy. These words don’t mean what they use to anymore. Newspeak is in full swing. Words still sound the same and are written in the same way but now mean something completely different. If Mao and Stalin were alive, they would be nodding approvingly.
- wasting_time 5mo agoFree for me, not for thee! I hope the Chinese models catch up soon so I can stop contributing to the American economy.
- 1over137 5mo agoStop contributing now. Why wait?
- wasting_time 5mo agoClaude makes me a 10x better programmer. Giving that up I might as well switch to llama farming.
- nozzlegear 5mo agoIt just makes you think you're a 10x better programmer. In reality you've just given yourself 10x more busywork because "Claude can handle it." For the parts that Claude has actually improved your programming, the open models compete just fine.
- SwellJoe 5mo ago"I have determined that appropriate safeguards are in place to permit certain trusted partners to access the Claude Mythos 5 Model" I assume "trusted partners" means, "companies that have bribed Trump an appropriate amount". A few million for the inauguration, a few million for the ballroom, a few million on a movie about Melania, the don wants a taste.
- andrewchambers 5mo agoThis seems like it will have pretty huge negative affects on startups needing to compete with 'trusted partners'
- A_D_E_P_T 5mo agoStartups don't have as much money to spend on lobbying and gifts, though.
- ares623 5mo agoWill startups be even a thing now that the VCs obviously just need to funnel all their money to 2 or so companies ad-infinitum for guaranteed returns.
- airstrike 5mo agoThe single most important question to be discussed on this website right now.
- slashdave 5mo agoWell... there are crypto startups, and perhaps a generous definition of "money"
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- Henchman21 5mo agoThis is what “stacking the deck” looks like
- kristopolous 5mo agoNext time someone tells you this is the party of free market and small government, I guess you just laugh now?
- ryanar 5mo ago[flagged]
- Klathmon 5mo agoBut it's not just him, it's the entire party aggressively supporting him and everything he does.
- atlgator 5mo agoThey passed one major piece of legislation since he took office and it was loaded with pork to get everyone onboard. I wouldn't call that aggressive. The Right is very fractured right now.
- wk_end 5mo agoAt least in part that's because they've stopped legislating. The executive now basically just does whatever it wants.
- jLaForest 5mo agoThe right is fractured is several ways but there is one unifying value: unquestioning support for Trump
- atlgator 5mo agoI can't tell if you're disingenuous or just ignorant. The Trump admin has been completely coopted by the pro-Israel lobby and Big Tech. He betrayed his entire base. He's ruling by executive fiat (EOs). Anyone that speaks out publicly for the original platform gets a primary challenger funded by Miriam Adelson or threats. See Thomas Massie, MTG, Lauren Boebert, etc. Are you paying attention at all? The Boomers watching Fox News propaganda in their nursing homes all day are not a reflection of party unity.
- jimmydoe 5mo agoCongrats sama. Such a great sophisticated 5d chess move.
- llelouch 5mo agoPlease explain. Do you think Altman wanted this to catch-up?
- jimmydoe 5mo agoI think it’s a complex dynamic but he certainly preferred this to happen than not, and someone might have nudged the development to his favor while aligned well with this admin’s interests.
- cute_boi 5mo agoI think we should also thank Dario for constantly beaming "Mythos is dangerous". That's why I keep saying we shouldn't support Closed AI and Misanthropic.
- mlinsey 5mo agoI understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access
- intrasight 5mo agoThey could just ignore Trump as he has no authority to so limit a private company.
- mlinsey 5mo agoThe labs will not just ignore the order, there are too many other levers they can try to pull to mess with those companies. Just for some examples, think about the number of employees reliant on visas that could be revoked, the government contracts that the hyperscalers hosting them that could be canceled, the certifications that all the data centers need to be hooked up to the grid, the tariffs that could be put on critical components, the IPOs that need to be approved by regulators, the bill introduced in Congress to seize 50% of their equity... Lots of these moves would and should be struck down in court as an arbitrary and capricious use of administrative power. Some of them might not be, and in the meantime you're signing up for tons of trouble. A trillion-dollar company does not simply go to war with the US government. A more mid-sized company that's not so intertwined, but not so small that they can't get a good legal team, might be another story.
- vachina 5mo agoUS sounds like a communist country.
- jvanderbot 5mo agoAside from how brazen and stupid this would be, the executive branch does have ways of limiting them and their sharing of tech, as we've seen.
- olalonde 5mo agoIt feels the U.S. is moving closer to a textbook definition of crony capitalism. Really sad but unsurprising with the current administration.
- mullingitover 5mo agoI don't think you can move closer to something that you're already fully enmeshed in. The rate that the ruling class ran into crony capitalism at the first chance they got is something that needs to be remembered. They'll try to act like they were always against it at some point in the near future.
- olalonde 5mo agoMilton Friedman was prescient on this: > The two biggest enemies of the free market are two separate groups: my academic colleagues and business people. Business people are enemies of free markets, not friends. > [...] > The business people are just the opposite. They're all in favor of freedom for everybody else, and at the drop of a hat you can get any leading businessman to give you an eloquent speech on the virtues of a free market. But when it comes to their own business, they want to go down to Washington and get a special tariff to protect their business. They want a special tax deduction. They want a tax subsidy. And Chrysler is on the verge of failing, which it should have done. It should have been allowed to fail. Chrysler goes down and exercises political influence and tries to get the government to lend it money to subsidize it. > So businessmen in general — not all, there have been some notable exceptions — and I don't want to include everybody. But in the main, most businessmen are enemies of free markets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgaPVO8aw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgaPVO8aw8
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- alanwreath 5mo agoI’m not sure what the US government is trying to do. At first it seems like they are just trying to stifle some company that said no. Now they are just doing free publicity. It’s like never before have I wanted to try something out as much as this. They’re in effect saying “nothing else is as powerful as what Anthropic put out”. Even though that might not really be the case it’s what it sounds like.
- drcode 5mo agothey're flailing is what they're doing
- conception 5mo agoThey are collecting tribute is what they are doing.
- altcognito 5mo agoAnd they are just getting started. It sounds insidious, and it probably would be if they weren’t so damn dumb.
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- SpicyLemonZest 5mo agoIs there any evidence at all that would convince you that they're trying to mitigate real risks that actually exist?
- JackC 5mo agoI mean, we're talking about an administration that has already over-reached in regulating this specific company out of personal bias; is openly seeking leverage over companies for favoritism and graft; hires on the basis of loyalty to whims of a narcissist; makes fun of the whole idea of competent government based on expertise; provides a range of conflicting explanations for whatever it chooses to do; and has been unable to field a team capable of understanding or explaining whatever real risks are here. Your question is like asking what evidence would convince us that a bag of rocks doesn't have rocks in it. Easy, just take the rocks out.
- kdawag 5mo agoTo the surprise of absolutely nobody following the news
- standardUser 5mo agoMeanwhile, China is pushing the World Artificial Intelligence Cooperation Organization (WAICO), which, in the face of internal divisions and impotent leadership among Western nations, could prove to be the first global regime that China gets to build and lead.
- Havoc 5mo agoOne more aspect where the US can no longer be counted on. Let's hope this creates a bit more fire under the asses of other countries
- avaer 5mo agoI wonder if the Founding Fathers knew about AI, they would include it in the 2nd? The spirit is to provide effective tools for the people to resist federal military tyranny, and Mythos seems like it would be a good tool to defend against that, for so many reasons.
- taintlord 5mo ago[dead]
- tyre 5mo agoCould you explain this like I'm 35?
- aesthesia 5mo agoI'm not sure that analogy works: pretty much everyone agrees that there are some types of weapons civilians shouldn't be able to have, even though they might be very effective for resisting military tyranny.
- digitaltrees 5mo agoI don’t think everyone agrees on that. It’s just that the government has been able to legislate that as technology evolved. That being said many legal scholars say the state militia was intended to be the defense against tyranny not individual citizens because there were government led crackdowns on rebellion under Washington and other presidents from the earliest days of the republic. State militias have the full range of weapons
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- TheDong 5mo agoAs Iran is showing, the federal government is worried about nukes. I feel like a modern 2nd amendment should ensure every US citizen has a right to up to three (3) nuclear weapons.
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- naturalmovement 5mo ago[flagged]
- gensym 5mo agoJust because a policy is legal doesn't mean it cannot be disastrous.
- andsoitis 5mo ago"disastrous" seems hyperbolic to me. what disaster do you foresee?
- gensym 5mo agoFavored companies get access to frontier models, which gives them a competitive advantage, starving out smaller companies. Any smaller companies that do manage to innovate ultimately get acquired by the favored companies since they are worth more with access to frontier models than without (which is effectively a discount on the purchase price of those companies). I'm not saying that's going to happen, but it is one possible scenario that, over time, would be disastrous for innovation and freedom.
- nickthegreek 5mo agoForeseeable corruption by the state. A further slip into cronyism. A large puzzle piece that when simply connected with the recent actions like demanding shares in companies, removing funding for energy projects not aligned with other lobbies, pardoning of white collar criminals. It seems pretty plain and obvious the type of disasters that await.
- Capricorn2481 5mo agoI'm not being facetious, can you direct us to which laws are in play here? Specifically, why different models can be classified as different exports that need separate approvals?
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- truthbe 5mo agoOpen source should create a new license where it specifically doesn't allow release to these "trusted partners".
- digitaltrees 5mo agoAnd blocks not just training on the oss code but use of it by models. If they want to build on the shoulders of us plebes they shouldn’t be able to include our code in their vibe coded bs
- Alien1Being 5mo agoDon't start to rely on it . The US might remove access next month in a fit of pique. The Chinese models look increasingly more reliable and safer.
- DANmode 5mo agoSafer?
- micromacrofoot 5mo agowell at least they're a little further away
- hajile 5mo agoIf I can run it locally, it is certainly more safe than running on some cloud server somewhere.
- DANmode 5mo agoOthers nations’ models run offline, too.
- tyre 5mo agoThis is a pithy internet comment, but terrible advice. Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. For all of the problems of the US, for-profit corporations, data harvesting, etc. the CCP (and, perhaps more troublesome, its allies) is far less likely to align with your interests.
- plandis 5mo ago> I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. Do you have access to Mythos? If not the choice has already been made for you.
- jeroenhd 5mo agoI don't buy that anymore. The day America threatened to invade Canada and Denmark was the day America showed they cannot be trusted any more. It's not like China can be trusted either, but China isn't planning any direct invasions to the west. Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game. They might get some info on you, but the data brokers in the west will sell a lot more details about you, pre-categorized and all. If you're afraid of industrial espionage, Chinese companies may be a risk, but in that case you shouldn't be uploading your secrets to an AI company in the first place.
- hmokiguess 5mo agoI identify as a trusted partner, can I have one Mythos please.
- andai 5mo agoWeren't they already doing that?
- bastard_op 5mo agoChina will just buy a "trusted partner" one way or another. It's like the epidemic of scam nvidia cards being resold without gpu or memory - where do you think those are going?
- theturtletalks 5mo ago>> More than 100 companies and institutions will now have access to Mythos 5, including many Fortune 500 companies, a source familiar with the new directive said, declining to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter. Who are those 100 companies? Clearly they can't compete on merit and have rubbed some hands to be picked as winners...at least for now.
- itopaloglu83 5mo agoI don’t know if this has something to do with the administration or access to export controlled technology. There could be a licensing process, but I don’t think it would be public information, we don’t know whom each defense contractor sells to as public.
- fma 5mo agoMay have an overlap of which political campaign they donate too.
- micromacrofoot 5mo agoamerica is worrying about a civil war and missing the corporate takeover
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- bluecalm 5mo agoIs there any scenario where it's not catastrophic for for the frontier labs? They just got their market cut to a fraction. Investing in new tech is now very risky because even if things work out you might not be able to sell anything. There were already serious doubts about ROI for the frontier labs. If they can only sell to 100 or so entities it's over business wise. What's the endgame here?
- dansquizsoft 5mo agoIt's bad, very bad, for the frontier labs.
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- exabrial 5mo agoHow does my small company become a "trusted partner"?
- willsmith72 5mo agoOh you thought this was a competitive free market?
- t0mas88 5mo agoI thought "Free market!!1!" was basic US policy. But apparently you can't do any consumer protection laws, but you can regulate AI access to only your wealthy friends / campaign sponsors.
- lantry 5mo ago"there are in-groups that the law protects but does not bind, and out-groups that the law binds but does not protect" i.e. freedom for me but not for thee
- goatlover 5mo agoThis administration doesn't care about small companies anymore than it cares about regular Americans.
- Dig1t 5mo agoAnthropic has been touting how their newest model is basically a cyber weapon and is so dangerous that they need to only role it out to trusted people and make sure it has super restrictive guard rails. They are begging to be regulated. This is exactly what they’ve been asking for.
- vinay427 5mo ago> This is exactly what they’ve been asking for. This doesn't directly follow from the first part of your comment, and more importantly seems inaccurate with respect to Anthropic's public statements on this situation. For example: > As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles. https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access
- tonyrice 5mo agoI'm looking forward to better open source models. Now I just need to afford the compute to run these models.
- randomNumber7 5mo agoMost people can't afford 6 digits for hardware that deprecates in a couple of years.
- chopete3 5mo agoIt is interesting that there is no public announcement from the US government or Anthropic on this topic. That means there is no form to apply to be a trusted partner. Does it mean US is allowing accessing to governments' exclusive list?
- wewewedxfgdf 5mo agoI wonder if Anthropic and ChatGPT will continue to scream at the top of their lungs how dangerous their services are and how they will break the security of everything everywhere? Or may they'll decide to be a little more quiet and less end-of-the-world-is-nigh-if-you-use-our-services?
- zacksiri 5mo agoThis reminds me of the following quote "When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed." ― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
- SwellJoe 5mo agoI'll point out that a lot of the current administration and Republican Congress that enables the current administration are Ayn Rand fans.
- layla5alive 5mo agoThe Cantillon Effect applied to machine intelligence..
- jandrewrogers 5mo ago+1 Insightful
- Bluestein 5mo agoIndeed. Very much so. It puts a name to something that is happening.-
- monksy 5mo agoI can't wait till employees start helping with the distillation process.
- jchook 5mo agoThe entire arc reads as a marketing stunt rather than a legitimate national security threat. Maybe Anthropic asked the US for this action to be taken. edit: > Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick (lol) Fable was out for 3 days, not really long enough for us to properly evaluate it, but the "Sorry we had to remove Fable. Read more. (because it's too powerful btw)" is loudly shown every chance they get for weeks. It creates a halo. Reminiscent of the 1999 Apple G4 commercial where they displayed it next to military tanks. "For the first time in history, a personal computer has been classified as a weapon by the U.S. government."
- espeed 5mo agoAre Cyber Verification Program (CVP) members included in this?: "We also intend to scale up our Cyber Verification Program, which would grant Mythos-class capabilities to many more organizations for specific cyberdefense tasks" (https://www.anthropic.com/news/expanding-project-glasswing https://www.anthropic.com/news/expanding-project-glasswing).
- Cryptosale75 5mo agoI personally believe that Dario Amodei is probably one of the 'less shitty' AI leaders. But literally no one is going to convince me that either 1. He overplayed his hand and fucked up 2. This is at least 'majority' PR.
- brokensegue 5mo agoYou mean neither?
- jraph 5mo agoDid you mess up your double negation?
- jurschreuder 5mo agoIt's a win-win game because both Anthropic and the Government are on the front page again pulling on important leavers. In the mass-marketing world it's less about who's right or wrong but who is perceived by the population to be pulling the leavers on the front page again.
- gizzlon 5mo agoI think this could crash the stock market: Their TAM is now a small percentage of what it was, with all the second and third otder effects that follow from that
- theahura 5mo agousgov picking winners and losers in AI --> usgov picking winners and losers in every industry (speedrun, any %)
- theahura 5mo ago> “I have determined that appropriate safeguards are in place to permit certain trusted partners to access the Claude Mythos 5 Model,” Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick wrote to Anthropic’s chief compute officer Tom Brown Friday why is the commerce secretary making this decision
- naturalmovement 5mo ago[flagged]
- kurthr 5mo agoSo no need to do any deep consideration or evaluation, just the approval of the Epstein class.
- nickpeterson 5mo agoYou're completely wrong here, they make sure the check clears.
- jchook 5mo agoAnd it's Howard Lutnick... the guy who lived next door to Epstein and magically wasn't at work on 9/11.
- nazgob 5mo agoDoes it apply to USA citizens and organizations as well?
- xyst 5mo ago"trusted" meaning "paid millions to trump admin slush fund account"
- ksimukka 5mo agook, who in the EU is working on our own frontier model? surely we have the drive and ability?
- alecco 5mo agoEU just shrunk their AI projects and picked a very, very dodgy Italian company who has been burning money with nothing to show.
- pembrook 5mo agoEU has the talent but not the ability due to structural issues and fragmentation. And even if they solved that (it will take them 40 years of bickering), it’s not something you can top-down create, unless you want the AI equivalent of the Yugo. China has the drive and the ability. It’s communist in name only, and has truly turned into a hyper-capitalist super producer (less government spending as % of GDP than even the US). It will beat out both the EU and US and sweep both the digital economy (the US’s golden goose) and industrial economy (the EU’s golden goose) over the next 20 years.
- ksimukka 5mo agoare you located in that region?
- dansquizsoft 5mo agoThe EU is dead in the water on this front mate...
- bel8 5mo agoThis makes me sad since it implies that the best LLM I will ever be allowed to use is GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.8. Anything smarter than that is deemed too risky. So much wasted potential. And why would I pay Anthropic or OpenAI once consumer hardware gets powerful enough to run an open weight Chinese version of Opus 4.8? Even more so when mobile phones are able to run similar LLMs. Their financial growth looks doomed. It looks like they will be heavily regulated just like the next missile factory. This is antagonist to VC led turbo growth startup regime.
- timurlenk 5mo agoWell, now I'm rooting for the Europeans/chinese to develop something better and release it. One can hope.
- johnisgood 5mo agoCannot you just obtain them the same way you would obtain any copyrighted material and use them locally?
- andxor 5mo agoThat's not what is implied. Fable may still be widely available.
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- chvid 5mo agoIt never made same sense that the most capable model was used by the CIA to create vault 7-like exploits while the same model was being used by another government project / random little people to patch up the vulnerabilities the exploits relied on.
- zsoltkacsandi 5mo agoAnd this is how Chinese AI companies will win over the U.S. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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- HexPhantom 5mo agoHard to see how this does not turn into export controls for models, just with a lot more ambiguity
- OtherShrezzing 5mo agoWhat’ll happen when Google Deep Mind go to release their next models, developed mostly in London? Are Google going to end up in a situation where the people working on their models cannot use the models after launch?
- t0mas88 5mo agoThese are export restrictions, so if the model is in London (how do you determine that? The weights? The training itself?) there is no need to export it from the US. Then Google may have found gold. They can sell it to everyone that can't get the best OpenAI or Anthropic models.
- spacebanana7 5mo agoUsually export controls are applied to stuff where some significant % is made in America so a few US based engineers could make the project export controllable.
- itopaloglu83 5mo agoOr in the case of ASML machines, any company you can pressure to comply with your policies either by restricting their access to the technology you control or politics between governments.
- t0mas88 5mo agoBut do they want to start a game of chicken with Google? Doing it to Anthropic is one thing, they're much smaller and less B2C. But Google is far more powerful and likely to defend their UK/EU business because they're also fucked if they don't.
- itopaloglu83 5mo agoPossibly. But we also need to keep in mind that Google gave governments access to their internal data center traffic unencrypted for years.
- __alexs 5mo agoI don't understand how this doesn't entirely screw the TAM for these companies? As an EU company I think I now basically have to consider US AI as hostile and avoid it.
- vld_chk 5mo ago> now Unfortunately, Europe should had made this conclusion at least 18 months ago, not now. Watch out European politics procrastinate for at least one more year hoping that Trump will reverse. Then procrastinate more, because “elections soon, maybe Dems will win and reverse”. I live in Europe and will never go to work in the US; but EU/UK inability to solve national security problems is beyond pathetic.
- __alexs 5mo agoOh sure the EU is terrible at all technology policy but it also seems like this is sort of a don't interrupt your enemy when they are making as mistake situation. If the US commit to handicapping their AI industry like this it's going to destroy the competitiveness of those companies globally. All of those US spending commitments on data centres etc are going to collapse, or americans will need to pay 2x the token cost of the rest of the world. Both very bad options.
- subscribed 5mo agoAFAIR there was the evidence posted for the specific three letter creeps snooping specifically on Airbus and sending everything to Boeing, long time ago, when "Echelon" was considered a tinfoil hat conspiracy.
- bvcp 5mo agoWatch the eu do the same thing
- dgellow 5mo agoBy doing it, as leader in the industry, the world hegemon, and self-titled „leader of the free world“, the US gave the implicit permission for any other country to do the same
- jimnotgym 5mo agoThis will be more validation that the rest of the world needs to be very wary of US technology.
- OkWing99 5mo agoSo what happens to their $1T valuations now, given they can't sell the product to consumers, and open-weight models are closing in on competition?
- goldenarm 5mo agoIs there a world where frontier labs move to somewhere else like London to escape the business hurdles of the US? There are trillions at stake, is it a plausible scenario?
- eamag 5mo agoThey already have offices in London and Zurich, but it doesn't let them to escape anything
- goldenarm 5mo agoI know, but what about leaving the US entirely to escape the export bans ? Like ByteDance and Shein left China for Singapore.
- theplumber 5mo agoLondon sucks, not to mention the UK’s political future seems even more nationalistic than MAGA
- merek 5mo agoWhy London of all places?
- cherryteastain 5mo agoIt's the place outside US and China with the greatest concentration of AI talent. Deepmind was founded in London for instance. Sadly UK is fully into nanny state "safetyism" culture so I am not convinced it'd be better.
- goldenarm 5mo agoTalent concentration, little tech regulation, English speaking, decent funding, close to GMT. There's a reason why a big chunk Google deepmind is already there.
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- niraj898 5mo agoThe funny thing is, they are planning to just use it for US government and not allow public to use fable 5 atleast..
- baq 5mo agoI’m on record saying mistral needs 50B euros asap; I’ll admit this was wrong, they need more sooner
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- re-thc 5mo agoDoesn’t help unless they get GPUs or equivalent to train.
- notrealyme123 5mo agoWith enough money this problem is solvable. GPUs alone are only a fraction of a frontier model.
- dgellow 5mo agoIm really not convinced that can be solved with money alone. China has the money and infrastructure, they don’t have the chips. Europe doesn’t have the infrastructure or the money but may have some chips
- Davidzheng 5mo agooh so they should team up
- petcat 5mo agoWhat chips does Europe have?
- vachina 5mo agoSTM32
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- swingboy 5mo agoHow would export controls apply if OpenAI or Anthropic released a model as open weights? Not that they would, but asking out of curiosity.
- echoangle 5mo agoIt would be illegal for them to release the weights
- pheggs 5mo agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/comments/1u7j3xc/comment/os5dxi7/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/comments/1u7j3xc/comment...
- lwhi 5mo agoThe current digital hellscape that's developing is something we've been warned about consistently over the past 30 years. All these dangers were known and predicted. There's an uncanny parallel with the climate crisis. Fatalistic somnambulism.
- dgellow 5mo agoBut contrary to the climate crisis and what all the AI boosters are saying, it is not inevitable. Its something that is actively being built, it’s not something that just happens. It can be stopped, a different system can exist. The AI crowd also hasn’t proven at all that what they are building can self sustain. So far the economics are monstrously bad, there is no viable business model
- Gud 5mo agoThe climate “crisis” was also completely preventable but we chose not to.
- dgellow 5mo agoIt was, yes. The difference is that if we stop the AI stuff, it stops. There is no external feedback loop that sustain itself. The climate crisis, after we pass some thresholds (and we likely did), that becomes out of human control
- penguin_booze 5mo agoTrusted US organisation: this must be the latest oxymoron.
- metaworkers11 5mo agopresumably those targeting Gaza, Lebanon and Iran? more effective genocide. A wonderful two party system we have here.
- qprofyeh 5mo agoNo one seeing this as Musk and SpaceX leveraging government support to close the IPO doors on OpenAI and Anthropic? I know it’s a bold statement but look at this timing and their valuations going south.
- dagaci 5mo agoSo the general public get to bail-out & subsidize Anthropic / and downstream xAI/SpaceX via the State Wallet, but of course with no access.
- acallaghan 5mo agoWhen AI bubble pops, no bailouts. I'm not paying for this BS
- amarant 5mo agoDear anthropic, please consider moving your entire business to Canada or Europe where you will be allowed to conduct your business without vindictive and Kafkaesque government interference. I would like to have access to your models too!
- daseiner1 5mo agofamously friendly business environments europe & canada lol
- mschuster91 5mo agoWell, as long as you stick to the rules you can do business in Europe and it can't be taken away from you. As long as you are in the US? No one protects you. Asset forfeiture, arbitrary sanctions, arbitrary tariffs, your employees can get arrested and deported right off the street if they happen to have non-white skin and live in a city under siege by ICE, and if you oppose the regime or just dare to not kiss the ring, say goodbye to planned mergers. Rule of law matters, and rule of law is gone in the US.
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- amarant 5mo agoHi I'm from Europe and I'm about to start my second business. I don't have friends in high places, and the process is entirely online and takes about an hour to complete followed by 1-5 weeks of waiting for tax approval etc. Pro tip: most American anti-Europe propaganda is propaganda.
- 2838383838 5mo agoI do work in a bureaucracy heavy activity in Europe, and without my friends in high places I'd be shut down. I've had wait times for bureaucracy cut from 2 years to 2 weeks, licenses given after a dinner when official processes were denied, etc. I've never had these problems when trying to start the American branch. Competition yes, having to wine and dine local politicians nephews no
- someguyornotidk 5mo agoIf this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emergency agenda. The world needs to act quick before their industries fail.
- spwa4 5mo agoThe US as a large-scale import nation and so does not need the rest of the world (except perhaps Europe, and only small parts) to keep its markets open to the US. Even in the European case, Europe would lose much more than the US would if they closed their markets. Plus, a lot of Europe is either very close to breaking point and unwilling to change (Italy), or rapidly worsening into a crash, and unwilling to change (France). It's Europe that is dependent on a large trade surplus with the rest of the world, financed by dollar loans to 3rd world countries. Now China is taking away their trade surplus, even directly (meaning Europe has a massive trade deficit to China), and indirectly (replacing demand for European goods, famously cars, everywhere). This is causing large-scale job losses in Europe as well as total disaster for government finances across the block, finances that were unhealthy to begin with. Now Europe and China are unwilling to lend to the rest of the world (because initially that would make very rich Europeans/the CCP a little bit poorer, by raising inflation quite a bit, thereby raising interest rates, which will move government finances from disaster to catastrophe), so if these money flows are to keep going, either the US MUST export to China, which is not happening, or EU and/or China must loan several times their own GDP to the third world, or the EU and/or China must massively increase their dollar holdings (which will, of course, inflate the Euro and Renminbi something awful whichever way it goes). But either WILL happen, because a crash will do that too. Which is what people mean when they say the worldwide system is on a crash course.
- someguyornotidk 5mo agoI don't think whether a country is an importer or an exporter matters at this point. This is likely going to develop into a matter of national security. Nations cannot allow most of their domestic industries to be destroyed. If the US doesn't reverse course soon, I think we'll start seeing large-scale closure of international markets to US companies very soon. Even with US retaliation, there is no other option.
- VortexLain 5mo agoWelcome to the permanent underclass everyone.
- globular-toast 5mo agoSo close to making it 250 years before becoming just like UK/Europe...
- chinathrow 5mo agoBegun the AI wars have.
- Havoc 5mo agoDario really fucked us all with his fear mongering regulatory capture approach cause there is zero chance this reverts back to government deciding it doesn't want the power.
- edyos 5mo agoThey play the game of China, they are stupid. US, as EU, lost everything with this stupid posture.
- everyone 5mo agoThis is just more marketing hype imo.. "omg its sooo good it has to be restricted"
- WhereIsTheTruth 5mo agoWhen will the world retaliate? They have been stealing data globally
- gcanyon 5mo agoHopefully this points toward Fable becoming available again.
- K0balt 5mo agoThe real reason, afaik, that the US is trying to restrict access to SOTA models is that a very large component of USA tailored access and surveillance relies on exploits and weaknesses that these models will easily detect. Thus, it really is an export control issue, but it has nothing to do with offensive capabilities. Offensive capabilities always exist, but pervasive defensibility would upset the asymmetric advantage that attackers, especially the USA, currently have. There are now Asian models coming , optimized focused on cybersecurity defense at a high level, so I suspect this will be a relatively moot point soon. LLMs are not great at creating exploits, but they are really good at detecting them. That asymmetry alone is enough to destroy the “offensive capabilities” narrative. Yes, mythos can find exploitable bugs, even write bench exploits. But real exploits require a good dose of human psychology, and most of the tools needed are off the shelf available anyway. You still need a real cybersecurity expert to effectively weaponize a zero day into a deployable exploit. But an LLM can inspect payloads, packages, and blobs en masse and find those exploits in a way that was wholly impractical before, so the asymmetric attack advantage is dissolved by strong LLMs. The USA is trying to protect its cyberwarfare advantage, not protect against attackers. The exact opposite, actually. Porous security is a huge advantage to technologically advanced state actors.
- sneak 5mo agoIf only we had a good term for someone good at this stuff less unwieldy than “cybersecurity expert”. (Then someone could start a news site for us.) As someone in the field for 30+ years, I find that, generally speaking, the only groups that use this term are charlatans and military/military-adjacent. The military use has been slowly leaking into the general public, but I quite wish it would stop.
- K0balt 5mo agoYes, it should have been cyberwarfare technician.
- wrsh07 5mo agoThis is the most credible-seeming claim about why a competent administration might suspend access (by any means necessary, but also by export controls) to models like Fable However, I haven't seen any prominent articles proposing this theory, I haven't seen anyone in the administration gesturing towards this as the reason (but haven't been following too closely) Do you have any sources? (And in fact, it seemed like an obvious hypothesis that wasn't getting much air time in the first weekend, but again, I didn't see anybody really staking a claim to it except in a few comments or tweets like this one)
- _pdp_ 5mo agoNooice /s
- lobocinza 5mo agoThis is great for open-source tooling and models. And bad for AI hype which depends on exponential continuous growth.
- OptionOfT 5mo agoWell, I think right now Antropic is going crazy with their safety rules. I got banned after creating a new account for a new employer. Went through some code with Claude Code, and that's... it. Came back the following morning and I was banned. 10 days for an appeal is too long. Company is a startup, so no team/enterprise support.
- zrn900 5mo agoGod... Nobody else would be able to destroy the US dominance harder and faster than Trump... Though the other party was going to do the same - albeit slowly and more civilly. (Obama admn. started the trade war way back).