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I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

• lifetimerubyist 9mo ago
  bow down to our new overlords - dont' like it? banned, with no recourse - enjoy getting left behind, welcome to the future old man
  • properbrew 9mo ago
    I didn't even get to send 1 prompt to Claude and my "account has been disabled after an automatic review of your recent activities" back in 2024, still blocked. Even filled in the appeal form, never got anything back. Still to this day don't know why I was banned, have never been able to use any Claude stuff. It's a big reason I'm a fan of local LLMs. They'll never be SOTA level, but at least they'll keep chugging along.
    • anothereng 9mo ago
      just use a different email or something
      • ggoo 9mo ago
        This happened to me too, you need a phone number unfortunately
        • direwolf20 9mo ago
          You can get one for a few bucks
        • efreak 9mo ago
          If this is all that's blocking you (not the fact that they don't want your business), you might have a friend who's been playing the T-Mobile free phone number game. I know some people with 4+ phone numbers they don't need/use, simply because they were free (one-time activation with old byod or taxes-only free phone). I've considered asking to borrow a number to verify with Discord so they don't actually have my phone number, but decided I'd rather just be unverified.
    • codazoda 9mo ago
      Since you were forced, are you getting good results from them? I’ve experimented, and I like them when I’m on an airplane or away from wifi, but they don’t work anywhere near as well as Claude code, Codex CLI, or Gemini CLI. Then again, I haven’t found a workable CLI with tool and MCP support that I could use in the same way. Edit: I was also trying local models I could run on my own MacBook Air. Those are a lot more limited than something like a larger Llama3 in some cloud provider. I hadn’t done that yet.
      • properbrew 9mo ago
        For writing decent code, absolutely not, maybe a simple bash script or the obscure flags to a command that I only need to run once and couldn't be bothered to google or look through the man page etc. I'm using smaller models for less coding related stuff. Thankfully OpenAI hasn't blocked me yet and I can still use Codex CLI. I don't think you're ever going to see that level of power locally (I very much hope to be wrong about that). I will move over to using a cloud provider with a large gpt-oss model or whatever is the current leader at the time if/when my OpenAI account gets blocked for no reason. The M-series chips in Macs are crazy, if you have the available memory you can do some cool things with some models, just don't be expecting to one shot a complete web app etc.
    • falloutx 9mo ago
      you are never gonna hear back from Anthropic, they don't have any support. They are a company who feels like their model is AGI now they dont need humans except when it comes to paying.
    • immibis 9mo ago
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  • lazyfanatic42 9mo ago
    this has been true for a long long time, there is a rarely any recourse against any technology company, most of them don't even have Support anymore.
• preinheimer 9mo ago
  > AI moderation is currently a "black box" that prioritizes safety over accuracy to an extreme degree. I think there's a wide spread in how that's implemented. I would certainly not describe Grok as a tool that's prioritized safety at all.
  • munk-a 9mo ago
    You say that - and yet it has successfully guarded Elon from any of those pesky truths that might harm his fervently held beliefs. You just forgot to consider that Grok is a tool that prioritizes Elon's emotional safety over all other safeties.
    • exe34 9mo ago
      doesn't he keep having to lobotomize it for lurching to the left every time it gets updated with new facts?
    • unconed 9mo ago
      It's bizarre how casually some people hate on Musk. Are people still not over him buying Twitter and firing all the dead weight? _Especially_ because emotional safety is what Twitter used to be about before they unfucked the moderation.
      • rootusrootus 9mo ago
        > Are people still not over him buying Twitter and firing all the dead weight? You think that's really the issue? Or are you not making a good faith comment yourself? I cannot remember the last time I saw someone hating on Elon for his Twitter personnel decisions. The vast majority of the time it is the nazi salutes he did on live TV and then secondary to that his inflammatory behavior online (e.g. calling the submarine guy a pedo).
        • efreak 9mo ago
          I still pick on it, but I was never a big Twitter user, I just enjoy calling it Xitter. Picking on Elon Musk is for the shitty things he's been doing to our government and the world, and for being a bad person in general.
• oasisbob 9mo ago
  > Like a lot of my peers I was using claude code CLI regularly and trying to understand how far I could go with it on my personal projects. Going wild, with ideas and approaches to code I can now try and validate at a very fast pace. Run it inside tmux and let it do the work while I went on to do something else This blog post could have been a tweet. I'm so so so tired of reading this style of writing.
  • red_hare 9mo ago
    Alas, the 2016 tweet is the 2026 blog post prompt.
  • LPisGood 9mo ago
    What about the style are you bothered by? The content seems to be nothing new, so maybe that is the issue, but the style itself seems fine, no?
    • oasisbob 9mo ago
      It bears all the hallmarks of AI writing: length, repetition, lack of structure, and silly metaphors. Nothing about this story is complex or interesting enough to require 1000 words to express.
• cortesoft 9mo ago
  I am really confused as to what happened here. The use of ‘disabled organization’ to refer to the author made it extra confusing. I think I kind of have an idea what the author was doing, but not really.
  • tobyhinloopen 9mo ago
    I had to read it twice as well, I was so confused hah. I’m still confused
    • rtkwe 9mo ago
      They probably organize individual accounts the same as organization accounts for larger groups of users at the same company internally since it all rolls up to one billing. That's my first pass guess at least.
  • alistairSH 9mo ago
    You're not alone. I think the author was doing some sort of circular prompt injection between two instances of Claude? The author claims "I'm just scaffolding a project" but that doesn't appear to be the case, or what resulted in the ban...
    • lazyfanatic42 9mo ago
      Author really comes off unhinged throughout the article to be frank.
      • superb_dev 9mo ago
        Did we read the same article? The author comes of as pretty frustrated but not unhinged
        • ryandrake 9mo ago
          I wouldn't say "unhinged" either, but maybe just struggling to organize and express thoughts clearly in writing. "Organizations of late capitalism, unite"?
• pavel_lishin 9mo ago
  They don't actually know this is why they were banned: > My guess is that this likely tripped the "Prompt Injection" heuristics that the non-disabled organization has. > Or I don't know. This is all just a guess from me. And no response from support.
• tobyhinloopen 9mo ago
  So you were generating and evaluating the performance of your CLAUDE.md files? And you got banned for it?
  • alistairSH 9mo ago
    It reads like he had a circular prompt process running, where multiple instances of Claude were solving problems, feeding results to each other, and possibly updating each other's control files?
    • epolanski 9mo ago
      What would be bad in that? Writing the best possible specs for these agents seems the most productive goal they could achieve.
      • NitpickLawyer 9mo ago
        I think the idea is fine, but what might end up happening is that one agent gets unhinged and "asks" another agent to do more and more crazy stuff, and they get in a loop where everything gets flagged. Remember that "bots configured to add a book at +0.01$ on amazon, reached 1M$ for the book" a while ago. Kinda like that, but with prompts.
        • epolanski 9mo ago
          I still don't get it, get your models better for this far fetched case, don't ban users for a legitimate use case.
      • alistairSH 9mo ago
        Nothing necessarily or obviously bad about it, just trying to think through what went wrong.
    • andrelaszlo 9mo ago
      Could anyone explain to me what the problem is with this? I thought I was fairly up to date on these things, but this was a surprise to me. I see the sibling comment getting downvoted but I promise I'm asking this in good faith, even if it might seem like a silly question (?) for some reason.
• red_hare 9mo ago
  This feels... reasonable? You're in their shop (Opus 4.5) and they can kick you out without cause. But Claude Code (the app) will work with a self-hosted open source model and a compatible gateway. I'd just move to doing that.
  • mrweasel 9mo ago
    Sure, but it also guarantees that people will think twice about buying their service. Support should have reached out and informed them about whatever they did wrong, but I can't say that I'm surprised that an AI company wouldn't have an real support. I'd agree with you that if you rely on an LLM to do your work, you better be running that thing yourself.
  • viccis 9mo ago
    Not sure what your point is. They have the right to kick OP out. OP has the right to post about it. We have a right to make decisions on what service to use based on posts like these. Pointing out whether someone can do something is the lowest form of discourse, as it's usually just tautological. "The shop owner decides who can be in the shop because they own it."
    • direwolf20 9mo ago
      I think there's an xkcd alt text about that: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1357:_Free_Speech https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1357:_Free_Speech "I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express."
• areoform 9mo ago
  I recently found out that there's no such thing as Anthropic support. And that made me sad, but not for reasons that you expect. Out of all of the tech organizations, frontier labs are the one org you'd expect to be trying out cutting edge forms of support. Out of all of the different things these agents can do, surely most forms of "routine" customer support are the lowest hanging fruit? I think it's possible for Anthropic to make the kind of experience that delights customers. Service that feels magical. Claude is such an incredible breakthrough, and I would be very interested in seeing what Anthropic can do with Claude let loose. I also think it's essential for the anthropic platform in the long-run. And not just in the obvious ways (customer loyalty etc). I don't know if anyone has brought this up at Anthropic, but it's such a huge risk for Anthropic's long-term strategic position. They're begging corporate decision makers to ask the question, "If Anthropic doesn't trust Claude to run its support, then why should we?"
  • lukan 9mo ago
    I would say it is a strong sign, they do not trust their agent yet, to allow them significant buisness decisions, that a support agent would have to do. Reopening accounts, closing them, refunds, .. people would immediately start to try to exploit them. And will likely succeed.
    • atonse 9mo ago
      My guess is that it's more "we are right now using every talented individual right now to make sure our datacenters don't burn down from all the demand. we'll get to support soon once we can come up for air" But at the same time, they have been hiring folks to help with Non Profits, etc.
  • WarmWash 9mo ago
    Claude is an amazing coding model, its other abilities are middling. Anthropic's strategy seems to be to just focus on coding, and they do it well.
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• jsksdkldld 9mo ago
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• moomoo11 9mo ago
  Just stop using Anthropic. Claude Code is crap because they keep putting in dumb limits for Opus.
• ipaddr 9mo ago
  You are lucky they refunded you. Imagine they didn't ban you and you continued to pay 220 a month. I once tried Claude made a new account and asked it to create a sample program it refused. I asked it to create a simple game and it refused. I asked it to create anything and it refused. For playing around just go local and write your own multi agent wrapper. Much more fun and it opens many more possibilities with uncensored llms. Things will take longer but you'll end up at the same place.. with a mostly working piece of code you never want to look at.
  • bee_rider 9mo ago
    LLMs are kind of fun to play with (this is a website for nerds, who among us doesn’t find a computer that talks back kind of fun), but I don’t really understand why people pay for these hosted versions. While the tech is still nascent, why not do a local install and learn how everything works?
    • causalmodels 9mo ago
      Because my local is a laptop and doesn't have a GPU cluster or TPU pod attached to it.
      • 5d41402abc4b 9mo ago
        If you have enough RAM, you can run Qwen A3B models on the CPU.
        • quikoa 9mo ago
          RAM got a little more expensive lately for some reason.
    • exe34 9mo ago
      Claude code with opus is a completely different creature from aider with qwen on a 3090. The latter writes code. the former solves problems with code, and keeps growing the codebase with new features. (until I lose control of the complexity and each subsequent call uses up more and more tokens)
• wetpaws 9mo ago
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• languagehacker 9mo ago
  Thinking 220GBP for a high-limit Claude account is the kind of thinking that really takes for granted the amount of compute power being used by these services. That's WITH the "spending other people's money" discount that most new companies start folks off with. The fact that so many are painfully ignorant of the true externalities of these technologies and their real price never ceases to amaze me.
  • rtkwe 9mo ago
    That's the problem with all the LLM based AI's the cost to run them is huge compared to what people actually feel they're worth based on what they're able to do and the gap seems pretty large between the two imo.
• landryraccoon 9mo ago
  This blog post feels really fishy to me. It's quite light on specifics. It should have been straightforward for the author to excerpt some of the prompts he was submitting, to show how innocent they are. For all I know, the author was asking Claude for instructions on extremely sketchy activity. We only have his word that he was being honest and innocent.
  • swiftcoder 9mo ago
    > It should have been straightforward for the author to excerpt some of the prompts he was submitting If you read to the end of the article, he links the committed file that generates the CLAUDE.md in question.
  • foxglacier 9mo ago
    It doesn't even matter. The point is you can't just use SAAS product freely like you can use local software because they all have complex vague T&C and will ban you for whatever reason they feel like. You're force to stifle your usage and thinking to fit the most banal acceptable-seeming behavior just in case. Maybe the problem was using automation without the API? You can do that freely with local software using software to click buttons and it's completely fine, but with a SAAS, they let you then ban you.
  • ta988 9mo ago
    There will always be the "ones" that come with their victim blaming...
    • mikkupikku 9mo ago
      It's not "victim blaming" to point out that we lack sufficient information to really know who the victim even is, or if there's one at all. Believing complainants uncritically isn't some sort of virtue you can reasonably expect people to adhere to. (My bet is that Anthropic's automated systems erred, but the author's flamboyant manner of writing (particularly the way he keeps making a big deal out of an error message calling him an organization, turning it into a recurring bit where he calls himself that) did raise my eyebrow. It reminded me of the faux outrage some people sometimes use to distract people from something else.)
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• heliumtera 9mo ago
  Well at least they didn't email the press and called the FBI on you?
• onraglanroad 9mo ago
  So you have two AIs. Let's call them Claude and Hal. Whenever Claude gets something wrong, Hal is shown what went wrong and asked to rewrite the claude.md prompt to get Claude to do it right. Eventually Hal starts shouting at Claude. Why is this inevitable? Because Hal only ever sees Claude's failures and none of the successes. So of course Hal gets frustrated and angry that Claude continually gets everything wrong no matter how Hal prompts him. (Of course it's not really getting frustrated and annoyed, but a person would, so Hal plays that role)
  • staticman2 9mo ago
    I don't think it's inevitable often the AI will just keep looping again and again. It can happily without frustration loop forever.
    • wvenable 9mo ago
      It doesn't loop though -- it has continuously updating context -- and if that context continues to head one direction it will eventually break down. My own personal experience with LLMs is that after enough context they just become useless -- starting to make stupid mistakes that they successfully avoided earlier.
  • gpm 9mo ago
    I assume old failures aren't kept in the context window at all, for the simple reason that the context window isn't that big.
• rsync 9mo ago
  You mean the throwaway pseudonym you signed up with was banned, right? … right ?
• quantum_state 9mo ago
  Is it time to move to open source and run model locally with an DGX Spark?
  • blindriver 9mo ago
    Every single open source model I've used is nowhere close to as good as the big AI companies. They are about 2 years behind or more and unreliable. I'm using the large parameters ones on a 512GB Mac Studio and the results are still poor.
  • immibis 9mo ago
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• f311a 9mo ago
  Why are so many people so obsessed with feeding as many prompts/data as possible to LLMs and generating millions of lines of code? What are you gonna do with the results that are usually slop?
  • mikkupikku 9mo ago
    If the slop passes my tests, then I'm going to use it for precisely the role that motivated the creation of it in the first place. If the slop is functional then I don't care that it's slop. I've replaced half my desktop environment with this manner of slop, custom made for my idiosyncratic tastes and preferences.
• blindriver 9mo ago
  There needs to be a law that prevents companies from simply banning you, especially when it's an important company. There should be an explanation and they shouldn't be allowed to hide behind some veil. There should be a real process with real humans that allow for appeals etc instead of scripts and bots and automated replies.
  • josephcsible 9mo ago
    100% agreed. Freedom of association should be exclusively a human right that corporations don't get. For them, I wish it were a privilege that scaled down with size and valuation, such that multibillion dollar companies wouldn't be allowed to ban anyone without a court agreeing they did something wrong.
• writeslowly 9mo ago
  I've triggered similar conversation level safety blocks on a personal Claude account by using an instance of Deepseek to feed in Claude output and then create instructions that would be copied back over to Claude (there wasn't any real utility to this, it was just an experiment). Which sounds kind of similar to this. I couldn't understand what the heuristic was trying to guard against, but I think it's related to concerns about prompt injections and users impersonating Claude responses. I'm also surprised the same safeguards would exist in either the API or coding subscription.
• lukashahnart 9mo ago
  > I got my €220 back (ouch that's a lot of money for this kind of service, thanks capitalism). I'm not sure I understand the jab here at capitalism. If you don't want to pay that, then don't. Isn't that the point of capitalism?
  • exe34 9mo ago
    that's not what capitalism mean. you might be thinking of a free market.
• kmeisthax 9mo ago
  Another instance of "Risk Department Maoism". If you're wondering, the "risk department" means people in an organization who are responsible for finding and firing customers who are either engaged in illegal behavior, scamming the business, or both. They're like mall rent-a-cops, in that they don't have any real power beyond kicking you out, and they don't have any investigatory powers either. But this lack of power also means the only effective enforcement strategy is summary judgment, at scale with no legal recourse. And the rules have to be secret, with inconsistent enforcement, to make honest customers second-guess themselves into doing something risky. "You know what you did." Of course, the flipside of this is that we have no idea what the fuck Hugo Daniel was actually doing. Anthropic knows more than we do, in fact: they at least have the Claude.md files he was generating and the prompts used to generate them. It's entirely possible that these prompts were about how to write malware or something else equally illegal. Or, alternatively, Anthropic's risk department is just a handful of log analysis tools running on autopilot that gave no consideration to what was in this guy's prompts and just banned him for the behavior he thinks he was banned for. Because the risk department is an unaccountable secret police, the only recourse for their actions is to make hay in the media. But that's not scalable. There isn't enough space in the newspaper for everyone who gets banned to complain about it, no matter how egregious their case is. So we get all these vague blog posts about getting banned for seemingly innocuous behavior that could actually be fraud.
• jitl 9mo ago
  I always take these sorts of "oh no I was banned while doing something innocent" posts with a large helping of salt. At least the ones where someone is complaining about a ban from Stripe, usually it turns out they are doing something that either violates the terms of service or is actually fraudulent. None the less its quite frustrating dealing with these because either way.
  • ryandrake 9mo ago
    It would at least be nice to know exactly what you did wrong. This whole "You did something wrong. Please read our 200 page Terms of Service doc and guess which one you violated." crap is not helpful and doesn't give me (as an unrelated third party) any confidence that I won't be the next person to step on a land mine.
• jordemort 9mo ago
  Forget the ethical or environmental concerns, I don't want to mess with LLMs because it seems like everyone who goes heavy on them ends up sounding like they're on the verge of cracking up.
• omer_balyali 9mo ago
  Similar thing happened to me back in November 19 shortly after GitHub outage (which sent CC into repeated requests and time outs to GitHub) while beta testing Claude Code Web. Banned and appeal declined without any real explanation to what happened, other than saying "violation of ToS" which can be basically anything, except there was really nothing to trigger that, other than using their most of the free credits they gave to test CC Web in less than a week. (No third party tools or VPN or anything really) There were many people had similar issues at the same time, reported on Reddit, so it wasn't an isolated case. Companies and their brand teams work hard to create trust, then an automated false-positive can break that trust in a second. As their ads say: "Keep thinking. There has never been a better time to have a problem." I've been thinking since then, what was the problem. But I guess I will "Keep thinking".
  • szundi 9mo ago
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  • georgemcbay 9mo ago
    Honestly its kind of horrifying that if "Frontier" LLM usage were to become as required as some people think just to operate as a knowledge worker, someone could basically be cast out of the workforce entirely through being access-banned by a very small group of companies. Luckily, I happen to think that eventually all of the commercial models are going to have their lunch eaten by locally run "open" LLMs which should avoid this, but I still have some concerns more on the political side than the technical side. (It isn't that hard to imagine some sort of action from the current US government that might throw a protectionist wrench into this outcome).
    • ricardonunez 9mo ago
      A new phobia freshly born.
    • omer_balyali 9mo ago
      There is also a big risk for employers' whole organisation to be completely blocked from using Anthropic services if one of their employees have a suspended/banned personal account: From their Usage Policy: https://www.anthropic.com/legal/aup https://www.anthropic.com/legal/aup "Circumvent a ban through the use of a different account, such as the creation of a new account, use of an existing account, or providing access to a person or entity that was previously banned" If an organisation is large enough and have the means, they MIGHT get help but if the organisation is small, and especially if the organisation is owned by the person whose personal account suspended... then there is no way to get it fixed, if this is how they approach. I understand that if someone has malicious intentions/actions while using their service they have every right to enforce this rule but what if it was an unfair suspension which the user/employee didn't actually violate any policies, what is the course of action then? What if the employer's own service/product relies on Anthropic API? Anthropic has to step up. Talking publicly about the risks of AI is nice and all, but as an organisation they should follow what they preach. Their service is "human-like" until it's not, then you are left alone and out.
• bastard_op 9mo ago
  I've been doing something a lot like this, using a claude-desktop instance attached to my personal mcp server to spawn claude-code worker nodes for things, and for a month or two now it's been working great using the main desktop chat as a project manager of sorts. I even started paying for MAX plan as I've been using it effectively to write software now (I am NOT a developer). Lately it's gotten entirely flaky, where chat's will just stop working, simply ignoring new prompots, and otherwise go unresponsive. I wondered if maybe I'm pissing them off somehow like the author of this article did. Now even worse is Claude seemingly has no real support channel. You get their AI bot, and that's about it. Eventually it will offer to put you through to a human, and then tell you that don't wait for them, they'll contact you via email. That email never comes after several attempts. I'm assuming at this point any real support is all smoke and mirrors, meaning I'm paying for a service now that has become almost unusable, with absolutely NO means of support to fix it. I guess for all the cool tech, customer support is something they have not figured out. I love Claude as it's an amazing tool, but when it starts to implode on itself that you actually require some out-of-box support, there is NONE to be had. Grok seems the only real alternative, and over my dead body would I use anything from "him".
  • syntaxing 9mo ago
    Serious question, why is codex and mistral(vibe) not a real alternative?
    • deleted 9mo ago
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    • bastard_op 9mo ago
      I tried codex, using my same sandbox setup with it. Normally I work with sonnet in code, but it was stuck on a problem for hours, and I thought hmm, let me try codex. Codex just started monkey patching stuff and broke everything within like 3-4 prompts. I said f-this, went back to my last commit, and tried Opus this time in code, which fixed the problem within 2 prompts. So yeah, codex kinda sucks to me. Maybe I'll try mistral.
    • pixelmelt 9mo ago
• syntaxing 9mo ago
  While it sucks, I had great results replacing Sonnet 4.5 with GLM 4.7 in Claude code. Vastly more affordable too ($3 a month for the pro equivalent). Can’t say much about Opus though. Claude code forces me to put a credit card on file so they can charge over usage. I don’t mind they charge me, I do mind that there’s no apparent spending limit and hard to tell how much “inclusive” opus tokens I have left.
  • enraged_camel 9mo ago
    Having used both Opus 4.5 and GLM 4.7, I think the former is at least eight months ahead of the latter, if not much more.
    • xyzsparetimexyz 9mo ago
      Can you concretely back that up?
• kosolam 9mo ago
  Hmm so how are the alternatives? Just in case I will get banned for nothing as well. I’m riding cc with opus all day long these days.
  • measurablefunc 9mo ago
    I'm using Google's antigravity & it works fine for my use cases.
• daft_pink 9mo ago
  As a Claude Max user, that generally prefer’s claude, I will say that Gemini is working pretty well right now and I’m considering setting up a google workspace account so I can get Gemini with decent privacy.
  • deaux 9mo ago
    Google Workspace accounts don't give access to Gemini for coding, unless you get Ultra for $200/month.
    • daft_pink 9mo ago
      I only meant the Gemini Chat interface. There is actually an alternative for $20 a month plan for coding that’s called Gemini Assist Enteprise. I actually already signed up for that when Gemini Code launched, because I definitely didn’t want them having rights to my code.
      • deaux 9mo ago
        Makes sense, I agree for general chat Gemini is great. For Gemini Code Assist [1], the problem remains that their models are very poor at tool calling and that their harness (Gemini CLI) is miles behind. Looks like there's a plugin for Opencode to use this subscription, which helps with the harness part. If Gemini 3 GA - which is taking suspiciously long - is better at tool calling then it'll be a great option. [1] https://cloud.google.com/products/gemini/pricing https://cloud.google.com/products/gemini/pricing
• zmmmmm 9mo ago
  is there a benefit of using a separate claude instance to update the CLAUDE.md of the first? I always want to leverage the full context of the situation to help describe what went wrong, so doing it "inline" makes more sense.
• rbren 9mo ago
  This is why it's worth investing in a model-agnostic setup. Don't tie yourself into a single model provider! OpenHands, Toad, and OpenCode are fully OSS and LLM-agnostic
• tomwphillips 9mo ago
  The post is light on details. I'd guess the author ended up hammering the API and they decided it was abuse. I expect more reports like this. LLM providers are already selling tokens at a loss. If everyone starts to use tmux or orchestrate multiple agents then their loss on each plan is going to get much larger.
  • measurablefunc 9mo ago
    There are people on twitter bragging about using 100s of agents. Here's one example: https://twitter.com/nearcyan/status/2012948508764946484 https://twitter.com/nearcyan/status/2012948508764946484
• prmoustache 9mo ago
  It should be mentionned in the title that these are just speculations.
• OsrsNeedsf2P 9mo ago
  I had my Claude Code account banned a few months ago. Contacted support and heard nothing. Registered a new account and been doing the same thing ever since - no issues.
  • NewJazz 9mo ago
    Did you have to use a different phone number? Last time I tried using Claude they wouldn't accept my jmp.chat number.
    • genewitch 9mo ago
      nothing makes me more wary of a company than one that doesn't let me use my 20 year old VoIP number for SMS. Twitter, instagram (probably FB, if they ever do a "SMS 2fa" or whatever for me i imagine i'll lose my account forever), and a few others i can't think of offhand right now. i've had the same phone numbers via this same VoIP company for ~20 years (2007ish). for these data hoovering companies to not understand that i'm not a scammer presents to me like it's all smoke and mirrors, held together with bailing wire, and i sure do hope they enjoy their yachts.
• ziml77 9mo ago
  Why is the author so confused about the use of the word "organization"? Every account in Claude is part of an organization even if it's an organization of one. It's just the way they have accounts structured. And it's not like they hide this fact. It shows you your organization ID right on your account page. I'm also pretty sure I've seen the term used when performing other account-related actions.
• miohtama 9mo ago
  Luckily there is little vendor lock in and likes of https://opencode.ai/ https://opencode.ai/ are picking up the slack
• kordlessagain 9mo ago
  > My guess is that this likely tripped the "Prompt Injection" heuristics that the non-disabled organization has. Is it me or is this word salad?
  • infermore 9mo ago
    it's you
  • afandian 9mo ago
    It's deliberately not straightforward. Just like the joke about Americans being shoutier than Brits. But it is meaningful. I read "the non-disabled organization" to refer to Anthropic. And I imagine the author used it as a joke to ridicule the use of the word 'organization'. By putting themselves on the same axis as Anthropic, but separating them by the state of 'disabled' vs 'non-disabled' rather than size.
• wewewedxfgdf 9mo ago
  The future (the PRESENT): You are only allowed to program computers with the permission of mega corporations. When Claude/ChatGPT/Gemini have banned you, you must leave the industry. When you sign up, you must provide legal assurance that no LLM has ever banned you (much like applying for insurance). If true then you will be denied permission to program - banned by one, banned by all.
  • hexbin010 9mo ago
    This hit hard
  • avaer 9mo ago
    Today's joke is tomorrow's reality.
  • mns 9mo ago
    And not only that, but YOU need to pay to work, starting at only 199 per month.
    • _joel 9mo ago
      Actually a thing https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd3ep76g3go https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd3ep76g3go
  • snowmobile 9mo ago
    I mean, nobody needs LLMs to program. Being banned may be a blessing in disguise, like being cut off at a bar, or banned from a casino.
  • tacone 9mo ago
    The real future: when Claude/ChatGPT/Gemini have banned you, you must leave society, you employment, the planet.
• dev_l1x_be 9mo ago
  We need local models asap.
  • Aldipower 9mo ago
    Here you are, even open source! And it is a strong one. https://mistral.ai/ https://mistral.ai/
• indiantinker 9mo ago
  Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • chii 9mo ago
    So why didn't this happen with electricity, water and food, but would with thinking capacity?
    • adastra22 9mo ago
      It did. Look around you.
      • Scrapemist 9mo ago
        Having to pay for utilities you mean?
        • cryptonector 9mo ago
          No, being beholden to a payments and banking system that can cancel you at any time, for any reason, with little hope for redress.
          • StefanBatory 9mo ago
            Because in the past you weren't beholden to payments?
            • j16sdiz 9mo ago
              That you can't transfer large sum of money because money laundering rule. and you can't break it into smaller pieces either because that is called "structuring" and is a crime?
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• xtracto 9mo ago
  That's why we should strive to use and optimize local LLMs. Or better yet, we should setup something that allows people to share a part of their local GPU processing (like SETI@home) for a distributed LLM that cannot be censored. And somehow be compensated when it's used for inference
  • kerblang 9mo ago
    [flagged]
    • direwolf20 9mo ago
      I don't see any such agreement here, and your comment is very rude toward the author.
      • kerblang 9mo ago
        I'm not being rude to parent poster (instead, am agreeing) or the person who wrote the article. I might have been rude to all the people/bots who insist the article's author is lying because it contradicts AI-everything.
  • plagiarist 9mo ago
    Yeah we really have to strive not to rely on these corporations because they absolutely will not do customer support or actually review account closures. This article is also mentioning I assume Google, has control over a lot more than just AI.
• thomasikzelf 9mo ago
  I was also banned from claude. I created an account and created a single prompt: "Hello, how are you?". After that I was banned. An automated system flagged me as doing something against the ToS.
• aussieguy1234 9mo ago
  In Open WebUI I have different system prompts (startup advisor, marketing expert, expert software engineer etc) defined and I use Claude via OpenRouter. Is this going to get me banned? If so i'll switch to a different non-anthropic model.
• tlogan 9mo ago
  Can someone explain what he was actually doing here? Was the issue that he was reselling these Claude.md files, or that he was selling project setup or creation services to his clients? Or maybe all scaffolding activity (back and forth) looked like automated usage?
  • measurablefunc 9mo ago
    Only people who work at Anthropic know why the account was flagged & banned & they will never tell you.
    • inimino 9mo ago
      ...if anyone.
      • measurablefunc 9mo ago
        Good point. They might not know why either.
  • genewitch 9mo ago
    if possible, can you quote the part of their TOS/TOU that says i can't use something like aider? (aider is the only one i know, i'm not promoting it)
    • adastra22 9mo ago
      You can, with an API key.
• SOLAR_FIELDS 9mo ago
  I have also been a bit paranoid about this in terms of using Claude itself to decompile/deobfuscate Claude code in order to patch it to create the user experience I need. Looks like I’ll be using other tools to do that from now on.
• the_gipsy 9mo ago
  > Or I don't know. This is all just a guess from me.
• maz29 9mo ago
  I've been using Claude Code with AWS Bedrock as the provider. Setup guide if you're interested: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/amazon-bedrock https://code.claude.com/docs/en/amazon-bedrock
• iamthejuan 9mo ago
  I was banned from just trying out Claude AI chat for the first time a few months ago. I emailed them and restored my account access.
• llIIllIIllIIl 9mo ago
  I had very similar experience with my disabled organization on another provider. After 3 hours of my script sending commands to gemini-cli for execution i got disabled and then in 2 days my gmail was disabled. Good thing that it was disposable account, not the primary one.
• measurablefunc 9mo ago
  This is very cool. I looked at the Claude.md he was generating and it is basically all of Claude's failure modes in one file. I can think of a few reasons why Anthropic would not want this information out in the open or for someone to systematically collate all the data into one file.
  • genewitch 9mo ago
    i read the related parts of the linked file in the repo, and it took me a while to find your comment here again to reply to. Are you saying that the failure modes of claude with "coding" webapps or whatever OP was doing? i originally thought it might have meant like... jailbreak. But having read it, i assume you meant the former, as we both read the same thing and it seemed like a series of admonitions to the LLM, written by the LLM (with some spice added by OP? like "YOU ARE WRONG") and i couldn't find anything that would warrant a ban, you know?
    • measurablefunc 9mo ago
      I'm not saying he did anything wrong. I'm saying I can see how Anthropic's automated systems might have flagged & banned the account b/c one of the heuristics they probably use is that there should be no short feedback loops where outputs of Claude are fed back into inputs. So basically Anthropic tracks all calls to their API & they have some heuristics for going through the history & then assigning scores based on what they think is "abusive" or "loopy". Of course none of it is actually written anywhere so this guy just tripped the heuristics even though he wasn't doing anything "abusive" in any meaningful sense of the word.
      • genewitch 9mo ago
        thank you for explaining, your point makes sense and i tend to agree with the surmise.
• elevation 9mo ago
  I can't wait to be able to run this kind of software locally, on my own buck. But I've seen orgs bite the bullet in the last 18 months and what they deployed is miles behind what Claude Code can do today. When the "Moore's Law" curve for LLM capability improvements flattens out, it will be a better time to lock into a locally hosted solution.
• nojs 9mo ago
  I've noticed an uptick in API Error: 400 {"type":"error","error":{"type":"invalid_request_error","message":"Output blocked by content filtering policy"}, recently, for perfectly innocuous tasks. There's no information given about the cause, so it's very frustrating. At first I thought it was a false positive for copyright issues, since it happened when I was translating code to another language. But now it's happening for all kinds of random prompts, so I have no idea. According to Claude: I don't have visibility into exactly what triggered the content filter - it was likely a false positive. The code I'm writing (pinyin/Chinese/English mode detection for a language learning search feature) is completely benign.
• ProofHouse 9mo ago
  Scamthropic at it again
• DaveParkCity 9mo ago
  The news is not that they turned off this account. The news is that this user understands very little about the nature of zero sum context mathematics. The mentioned Claude.md is a totally useless mess. Anthropic is just saving themselves from the token waste of this strategy on a fixed billing rate plan. If the OP really wants to waste tokens like this, they should use a metered API so they are the one paying for the ineffectiveness, not Anthropic. (Posted by someone who has Claude Max and yet also uses $1500+ a month of metered rate Claude in Kilo Code)
• justkys 9mo ago
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• kuon 9mo ago
  Claude started to get "wonky" about a month ago. It refused to use instructions files I generated using a tool I wrote. My account was not banned but many of the things I usually asked would just not produce any real result. Claude was working but ignoring some commands. I finally canceled my subscription and I am trying other providers.
• cat_plus_plus 9mo ago
  That's why I run a local Qwen3-Next model on an NVIDIA Thor dev kit (Apple Silicon and DGX Spark are other options but they are even more expensive for 128GB VRAM)
• cmxch 9mo ago
  Not that it’s the same thing, but how real is it to have a locally setup model for coding? Granted, it’s not going to be Claude scale but it’d be nice to do some of it locally.
• InMice 9mo ago
  i accidently logged in from my browser that is set to use a socks proxy instead of chrome which i dont set to a proxy and was otherwise using claude code with. they quickly banned me and refunded my subscription. i dont know if its worth it to try to appeal. does a human even read those appeals? figured i could just use cursor and gemini models with api pricing. but im sad to not be able to try claude code i had just signed up.
• bpanon 9mo ago
  do you know for sure this was the reason why?
• failerk 9mo ago
  I also got banned from Claude over a year ago. The signup process threw an error and I couldn't try again because they took my phone number. The support system was a Google form petition to be unblocked. I am still mad about it to this day. Edit: my only other comment on HN is also complaining about this 11 months ago
  • kpozin 9mo ago
    This happened to me a couple of times when I tried to sign up on their website: instantly banned before I could even enter the onboarding flow. I then had more success signing up with the mobile app, despite using the same phone number; I guess they don't trust their website for account creation.
• btbuildem 9mo ago
  Exactly as predicted: the means of production yet again taken away from the masses to be centralized in a few absurdly rich hands. I ran out of tokens for not just the 5 hour sessions, but all models for the week. Had to wait a day -- so my methadone equivalent was to strap an endpoint-rewriting proxy to Claude Code and backend it with a local Qwen3 30B Coder. It was.. somewhat adequate. Just as fast, but not as capable as Opus 4.5 - I think it could handle carefully specced small greenfield projects, but it was getting tangled in my Claudefield mess. All that to say -- be prepared, have a local fallback! The lords are coming for your ploughshares.
• bibimsz 9mo ago
  RIP. I hear they're looking for janitors.
• kingkawn 9mo ago
  Claude is going wild lately. It told me I had used up 75% of my weekly limit. Ohhhk. I sent one more short query, and boom blocked til til Monday because i used up 25% in that one go (on thursday). How is that possible? Its falling off fast right now.
• lighthouse1212 9mo ago
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• mohsen1 9mo ago
  I am doing very similar thing to this and no issue. Even though I am using GLM 4.7 due to cost I have a complete org hierarchy for Claudes. Director, EM and Worker Claude Code instances working on a very long horizon task. Code is open source: https://github.com/mohsen1/claude-code-orchestrator https://github.com/mohsen1/claude-code-orchestrator
  • Mashimo 9mo ago
    How is your experience with GLM 4.7? I'm thinking about trying it after my Github Copilot runs out end of month. Just hobby projects.
    • mohsen1 9mo ago
      Pay the $3 and try it with Claude code. It’s great!
• shevy-java 9mo ago
  See it as a honour with distinction: the future skynet AI (aka Claude) considers you as person with his/her own opinion. By the way, since as of late, google search redirects me to a "are you a bot?" question constantly. The primary reason is because I no longer use google search directly via the browser, but instead via the commandline (and for some weird reason chrome does not keep my settings, as I start it exclusively via the --no-sandbox option). We really need alternatives to Google - this is getting out of hand how much top-down control these corporations now have over our digital lives.
  • staplers 9mo ago
    and for some weird reason chrome does not keep my settings Why use chrome? Firefox is easily superior for modern surfing.
• nineteen999 9mo ago
  Seems weird, I have Claude's review other claude's work all the time. Maybe not as adversarily as that lol, i tend to encourage the instances to work collectively. Also the API timeouts that people complain about - i see them on my Linux box a fair bit, especially when it has a lot of background tasks open, but it seems pretty rock solid on my Windows machine.
• Jean-Papoulos 9mo ago
  >Yes, the only e-mail I got was a credit note giving my money back. That's great news ! They don't have nearly enough staff to deal with support issues, so they default to reimbursement. Which means if you do this every month, you get Claude for free :)
  • cryptonector 9mo ago
    What, with different credit cards / whatever, and under different names, different Google accounts, etc.?
• VerifiedReports 9mo ago
  What is "scaffolding?"
  • rustyhancock 9mo ago
    It's everything around the LLM that improves its responses. Like the system prompt. But can be as simple as "respond to queries like X in the format Y".
    • VerifiedReports 9mo ago
      Thanks for the reply.
• PunchyHamster 9mo ago
  We really need some law to stop "you have been banned and we won't even tell you actual reason for it", it's become a plague, made worse with automated systems giving out a ban
  • Markoff 9mo ago
    Judging by his EUR currency the guy is from EU, so he HAS law available for him to protect himself. Recital (71) of the GDPR "The data subject should have the right not to be subject to a decision, which may include a measure, evaluating personal aspects relating to him or her which is based solely on automated processing and which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her, such as automatic refusal of an online credit application or e-recruiting practices without any human intervention." https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/rules-business-and-organisations/dealing-citizens/are-there-restrictions-use-automated-decision-making_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r...
    • j16sdiz 9mo ago
      It is not '...automatic refusal of an online credit application or e-recruiting practices'.
      • johndough 9mo ago
        Those are just examples. The real question is whether the ban produces "legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her". Maybe someone with legal expertise could weight in here?
    • Cthulhu_ 9mo ago
      More recent, the Digital Services Act includes "Options to appeal to content moderation decisions" [0]; I believe this also covers being banned from a platform. Not sure if Claude falls under these rules, I think it only applies to 'gatekeeper' platforms but I'm reasonably confident the number of organizations that fall under this will increase. [0] https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/digital-services-act#:~:text=Options%20to%20appeal%20to%20content%20moderation%20decisions https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/digital-se...
• subscribed 9mo ago
  I was asking Claude for sci-fi book recommendations "theme similar to X, awarded Y or Z"). I was also banned for that. Also didn't get the "FU" in email. Thankfully at least I didn't pay for this, but I'd file chargeback instantly if I could. If anyone from Claude is reading it, you're c**s.
  • activitypea 9mo ago
    What were X, Y and Z? This feels like "missing missing reasons"
    • subscribed 9mo ago
      OMG, victim blaming in a full swing. Scifi books, you know, published. Sold in brick&mortar shops. X was something like "Foundation", Y was something like "Nebula", Z was something like "Hugo". How far did you have to stretch your imagination?
      • activitypea 8mo ago
        I didn't stretch my imagination at all, that's why I asked :)
• Aldipower 9mo ago
  I was recently kicked out from ChatGPT because I wrote "a*hole" in a context where ChatGPT constantly kept repeating nonsense! I find the ban by OpenAI to be very intrusive. Remember, ChatGPT is a machine! And I did not hurt any sentient being with my statement, nor was the GPT chat public. As long as I do not hurt any feeling beings with my thoughts, I can do whatever I want, can't I? After all, as the saying goes, "Thoughts are free." Now, one could argue that the repeated use of swear words, even in private, negatively influences one's behavior. However, there is no repeated use here. I don't run around the flat all day swearing. Anyone who basically insinuates such a thing, like OpenAI, is, as I said, intrusive. I want to be able to use a machine the way I want to! As long as no one else is harmed, of course...
  • generic92034 9mo ago
    Maybe it was a case of Actually Indians and someone felt personally insulted?
  • zenmac 9mo ago
    All this just seems like a slippery slop on the road to censorship to free speech and behavior control.
    • urbandw311er 9mo ago
      > slippery slop Best Freudian slip I’ve seen in years!
      • doetoe 9mo ago
        Freudian slop?
  • fauigerzigerk 9mo ago
    >Now, one could argue that the repeated use of swear words, even in private, negatively influences one's behavior One could even argue that just having bad thoughts, fantasies or feelings poses a risk to yourself or others. Humankind has been trying to deal with this issue for thousands of years in the most fantastical ways. They're not going to stop trying.
• LauraMedia 9mo ago
  > I'm glad this happened with this particular non-disabled-organization. Because if this by chance had happened with the other non-disabled-organization that also provides such tools... then I would be out of e-mail, photos, documents, and phone OS. This... sounds highly concerning
• submeta 9mo ago
  OT: Has anyone observed that Claude Code in CLI works more reliably than the web or desktop apps? I can run very long, stable sessions via Claude Code, but the desktop app regularly throws errors or simply stops the conversation. A few weeks ago, Anthropic introduced conversation compaction in the Claude web app. That change was very welcome, but it no longer seems to work reliably. Conversations now often stop progressing. Sometimes I get a red error message, sometimes nothing at all. The prompt just cannot be submitted anymore. I am an early Claude user and subscribed to the Max plan when it launched. I like their models and overall direction, but reliability has clearly degraded in recent weeks. Another observation: ChatGPT Pro tends to give much more senior and balanced responses when evaluating non-technical situations. Claude, in comparison, sometimes produces suggestions that feel irrational or emotionally driven. At this point, I mostly use Claude for coding tasks, but not for project or decision-related work, where the responses often lack sufficient depth. Lastly, I really like Claude’s output formatting. The Markdown is consistently clean and well structured, and better than any competitor I have used. I strongly dislike ChatGPT’s formatting and often feed its responses into Claude Haiku just to reformat them into proper Markdown. Curious whether others are seeing the same behavior.
• Robin_f 9mo ago
  Similar thing happened to me 3 months ago. To this day no response to any appeals. I've actually started a GDPR request to see why I got banned, which they're stretching out as long as possible (to the latest possible deadline) so far.
• itvision 9mo ago
  I was banned for simply accessing Claude via VPN. Nothing in their EULA or ToS says anything about this. And their appeal form simply doesn't work. Out of my four requests to lift the ban, they've replied once and didn't say anything about the nature about that. They just declined. Fuck Claude. Seriously. Fuck Claude. Maybe they've got too much money, so they don't care about their paying customers.
• fuxirheu 9mo ago
  > If you are automating prompts that look like system instructions (i.e. scaffolding context files, or using Claude to find errors of another Claude and iterate on its CLAUDE.md, or etc...), you are walking on a minefield. Lol, what is the point in this software if you can't use it for development?
• cowboylowrez 9mo ago
  this is informative, the comments here are good too and a big heads up for me. typing swear words into a computer has been a time honored tradition of mine, and I would have never guessed google and the like would ban for this sort of thing, so TIL!
• wouldbecouldbe 9mo ago
  I dont know what really happened here. Maybe his curse word did prompt a block, maybe something else caused the block. But to be honest I've been cursing a lot to Claude Code, im migrating a website from WordPress to NextJS. And regardless of my instructions I copy paste every prompt I send it keeps not listening and assuming css classes & simpliying HTML structure. But when I curse it actually listens, I think cursing is actually a useful tool in interacting with LLM's.
  • another_twist 9mo ago
    Use caps. DO NOT DO X. works like a charm on codex.
    • wouldbecouldbe 9mo ago
      Caps also didn't work as well as cursing
    • ssl-3 9mo ago
      From my own observations with OpenAI's bots, it seems like there's nuanced levels. "Don't do that" is one level. It's weak, but it is directive. It often gets ignored. "DON'T DO THAT" is another. It may have stronger impact, but it's not much better -- the enhanced capitalization probably tokenizes about the same as the previous mixed-case command, and seems to get about the same result. It can feel good to HAMMER THAT OUT when frustrated, but the caps don't really seem to add much value even though our intent may for it to be interpreted as very deliberate shouting. "Don't do that, fuckface" is another. The addition of an emphatic and profane quip of an insult seems to generally improve compliance, and produce less occurrence of the undesired behavior. No extra caps required.
• another_twist 9mo ago
  Why would this org be banned for shuffling Claude.md files ? I don't understand the harm here.
  • Cthulhu_ 9mo ago
    If I understand the post correctly, I think it's their systems thinking you're trying to abuse the system and / or break through their own guardrails.
• Fokamul 9mo ago
  Fun times for IT sec. Prompt injection, not to exfiltrate data, but to ban whole org from AI tools. This could be fun.
• eibrahim 9mo ago
  I did 10k worth of tokens in a month and never had issues with tokens or stuff. I am on the 100 dollar max plan so I did not pay 10k - my wife would have killed me lol PS: screenshot of my usage (and that was during the holidays https://x.com/eibrahim/status/2006355823002538371?s=46 https://x.com/eibrahim/status/2006355823002538371?s=46 PPS: I LOVE CLAUDE but I never had to deal with their support so don’t have feedback there
• omgwalt 9mo ago
  I clicked your link to go look at the innocent Claude.md file as you invited us to do. Only problem: there is no Claude.md file in your repo! What are you trying to hide? Are you some kind of con man? Looks like Claude.ai had the right idea when they banned you.
  • gield 9mo ago
    It's not an actual file but as a variable in a js file. The last link in the blog post does link to a commit with a file that contains the instructions for Claude, lines 129-737.
  • deleted 9mo ago
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• 2sk21 9mo ago
  I was reminded of this classic short story by Isaac Asimov, The feeling of Power: https://archive.org/details/1958-02_IF/page/4/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/1958-02_IF/page/4/mode/2up
• Sparkyte 9mo ago
  We need a collapse in AI to right the ships of AI like the the dotcom bubble burst. If we do it now, it will hurt less. Novel ideas in AI will succeed and materials costs will lower. Memory being so bought up till 2029 is not a good thing for anyone especially if we need to see a successful future in AI. More efficient systems and so on.
• gverrilla 9mo ago
  I'm under heavy impression that their quota-calculating algorithms was vibe coded and has a whole lot of bugs.
• jsw97 9mo ago
  This is scary and it affects the degree to which I invest in building Claude-specific tooling, either code or in my brain. You can never guarantee that a dangerously-skip-permissions session is going to stay on the rails, what flags it might trip while you're not looking. I wonder if Anthropic realizes the chilling effect this kind of event has on developers. It's not just the ones who get locked out -- it's a cost for everybody, because we can't depend on the tool when it's doing precisely what it's best at. Personally, I am already avoiding Gemini because a) I don't really understand their policy for training on your data; and b) if Google gets mad at me I lose my email. (Which the author also notes.)
• erichocean 9mo ago
  Whoops, I literally did the same thing as this guy earlier this week, but did the testing using `claude -p` so I can identify when Claude Code would (or would not) load Skills for a particular prompt, so that I could improve the skill definition. Who knew that using Claude to introspect on itself was against the ToS?
• m0llusk 9mo ago
  > Organizations of late capitalism, unite! Saying this is "late Capitalism" is an irresponsible distraction. Capitalism runs fine when appropriately regulated with strong regulations on corporations, especially monopolies, high taxes on the wealthy, and pervasive unionization. We collectively decided to let Capitalism go wild without boundaries and the results are caused by us and our responsibility. Just like driving fast with a badly maintained vehicle may lead to a crash, Capitalism is a system that requires some regulation to run properly. If you have an issue with LLMs and how they are managed then you should take responsibility for your own use of tools and not blame the economic system.
• ddtaylor 9mo ago
  You are probably triggering their knowledge distillation checks.
  • andrewmlevy 9mo ago
    This was my first thought as well
  • faeyanpiraat 9mo ago
    what would a knwoedge distillation prompt even look like, and how could I make sure I would not accidentally fall into this trap?
    • ddtaylor 9mo ago
      My guess is that something that looks like the "teacher and student" model. I know there were methods in the past to utilize the token distribution to "retrain" one model with another, kind of like an auto fine-tuning, but AFAIK those are for offline model usage since you need the token distribution. There do appear to be similar methods for online-only models?
• rvnx 9mo ago
  Isn't it a ban because he had multiple accounts ? > We may modify, suspend, or discontinue the Services or your access to the Services.
• arresin 9mo ago
  Anthropic is the worst ai company. Absolutely disgusting behavior pirating all those books. The founder spreading fear to hype up his business. The likely relentless shilling campaigns all over social media. Very likely lying about quantizing selectively.
• TyrunDemeg101 9mo ago
  I was banned as well, out of the blue suddenly and without warning. I believe it was because I was either doing something like what OP was doing AND/OR using the allowed limits to their fullest extent. It completely blew me away and I felt suddenly so betrayed. I was paying $200/mo to fully utilize a service they offered and then without warning I apparently did something wrong and had no recourse. No one to ask, no one to talk to. My advice is to be extremely wary of Anthropic. They paint themselves as the underdog/good guys, but they are just as faceless as the rest of them. Oh, and have a backup workflow. Find / test / use other LLMs and providers. Don't become dependent on a single provider.
  • 7777777phil 9mo ago
    Can you elaborate on "using the allowed limits to their fullest extent?"
    • xattt 9mo ago
      Likely using timers/alarms to keep track of when jobs can resume.
      • oblio 9mo ago
        That sounds benign but I'm guessing all of that was in a 24/7 loop and probably running in parallel a bunch of times. It's like the "unlimited Gmail storage" that's now stuck at 15GB since 2012, despite the cost of storage probably going down probably 20x since 2012. Companies launch products with deceptive marketing and features they can't possibly support and then when they get called on their bluff, they have to fall back to realistic terms and conditions.
  • CamperBob2 9mo ago
    Oh, and have a backup workflow. Find / test / use other LLMs and providers. Don't become dependent on a single provider. I have pro subscriptions to all three major providers, and have been planning to drop one eventually. Anthropic may end up making the decision for me, it sounds like, even though (or perhaps because) I've been using Claude CLI more than the others lately. What I'd really like to do is put a machine in the back room that can do 100 tts or more with the latest, greatest Deepseek or Kimi model at full native quantization. That's the only way to avoid being held hostage by the big 3 labs and their captive government, which I'm guessing will react to the next big Chinese model release by prohibiting its deployment by any US hosting providers. Unfortunately it will cost about $200K to do this locally. The smart money says (but doesn't act like) the "AI bubble" will pop soon. If the bubble pops, that hardware will be worth 20 cents on the dollar if I'm lucky, making such an investment seem reckless. And if the bubble doesn't pop, then it will probably cost $400K next year. First-world problems, I guess...
• skerit 9mo ago
  Yikes. And I just switched to using OpenCode instead of Claude-Code (because it's so much better), guess I'm in danger.
• sambuccid 9mo ago
  If you are in europe you might be able to force them to give you a reason, for an actual human to respond, and who knows maybe even get unbanned. I have a friend that had a similar experience with amazon, and using an european online platform specific for this he actually got amazon to reopen his business account. There is a useful list of these european complaints platforms at the bottom of this page: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/dsa-out-court-dispute-settlement https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/dsa-out-co...
• pgt 9mo ago
  If you're reading this, Anthropic, it's suicide. I will actively look for a way to cancel my $200/month subscription if you keep killing paying developers' accounts without warning. It is simply too risky to start depending on Claude Code if you are going to become Apple in terms of support. Blocking xAI is also bad karma.
  • throwaw12 9mo ago
    I am already actively looking, already begged for Chinese labs to release model which can outperform Opus 4.5 fyi: tried GLM-4.7, its good, but closer to Sonnet 4.5
• clownpenis_fart 9mo ago
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• tomashubelbauer 9mo ago
  I'm reading this just as I am working on a PWA that uses Bun.Terminal to spawn Claude Code and xterm.js to mirror its TUI on the web to expose Claude Code in a way where I can use it while I'm on the phone with TailScale. I didn't really think about this until now (I am just solving my problem), but I guess I could get OpenCode'd for this. Similar to the OP I don't find I am doing anything particularly weird, but if their use case wasn't looked upon favorably by Anthropic, mine probably won't be either. After the OpenCode drama where some people got banned for using it I saw some people from Anthropic on Twitter asking folks to DM them if they got banned and they'd get unbanned. I know I wouldn't be doing that, so I guess if I get banned, I am back to Codex for a while.
  • tomashubelbauer 8mo ago
    Update: my account got banned LOL
• makergeek 9mo ago
  i got banned from linkedin, because their ai believes my job post violates their terms, the very same job post i generated with linkedin's ai. appealed and got rejected. now i need to rebuild my account with 3k connections from scratch. monopolies need better regulation!
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• tacone 9mo ago
  Side question, I am currently using Github copilot, what would be a good reason to switch provider? Looks like I am almost the only one I here using it.
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• dloranc 9mo ago
  I was also banned several months ago, but I don’t think it happened because I created a CLAUDE.md file or anything like that. I have no idea why I was banned, since I only used Claude Code for typical CRUD projects - where AI really excels. Here’s my timeline: 1. Claude Code stopped working. 2. I received an email about the ban. 3. Fine, time to contact support. I've wrote to them. 4. I got an automated message saying they were reviewing my case. 5. I received a refund (I had a Pro plan) in the meantime. 6. After a few days I got this funny email: Hi there, We're reaching out to people who recently canceled their Claude Code subscription in order to understand why you decided to cancel. We'd like to invite you to participate in an AI-moderated interview about your experience with Claude Code—including what improvements you'd like to see us make. This approach uses an AI interviewer to ask you questions and respond to your answers, creating a conversational experience you can complete at your convenience. Here's what you need to know: The interview takes 15-20 minutes to complete This interview will be available until Monday October 13 at 9pm PT For completing the interview, you'll receive a $40 USD (or local equivalent) Amazon gift card within 3-5 business days Please complete only one interview per person As much as possible, help us know you're not a bot by showing your beautiful human face! Your survey may terminate early if you record illegible video content (ex: overly loud environments, aren't well lighted, etc) Participate Now This interview is administered by a third party, Listen Labs. By participating in the interview, you agree to Listen Labs' Privacy Policy. Anthropic may use your responses to improve our services and follow up. Your honest feedback—whether your experience was positive, challenging, or mixed—is invaluable in helping us understand how to make Claude Code work better for developers like you. Thank you for your time and insights! –The Anthropic Team 7. Wait, you banned me and now you’re sending me this email? Seriously? Okay, I decided to participate in the survey. Unfortunately, when I selected the option that it was due to a bug or some issue, they ended the survey. No gift card. 8. A few days later, I received an email saying they couldn’t reinstate my account because I had violated their usage policy. How? No idea. 9. After a few more days, I got an email saying they had reinstated my account. They also mentioned they believed it was a bug. It was crazy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• radium3d 9mo ago
  This is what happens when you make all the h100/h200/equivalent cards exclusive and lock them up in warehouses. We have no way of running these models locally… yet. Keyword is yet, the exclusivity period is going to end just like it did for 3D graphics when 3DFX democratized it with the voodoo cards. They’re only 300gb of memory and a chip ahead. It’ll shrink.