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Mira Murati leaves OpenAI
- throwaway314155 2y agoI've forgotten, did she play a role in the attempted Sam Altman ouster?
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- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoShe wasn’t on the board right? So if she did play a role, it wasn’t through a vote I’d guess.
- paxys 2y agoShe was picked by the board to replace Sam in the interim after his ouster, so we can draw some conclusions from that.
- 015a 2y agoWell, she accepted the role of interim CEO for a bit, and then flip-flopped to supporting getting Sam back when it became obvious that the employees were fully hypnotized by Sam's reality distortion field.
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- extr 2y agoThe politics of leadership at OpenAI must be absolutely insane. “Leaving to do my own exploration”? Come on. You have Sam making blog posts claiming AI is going to literally be the second coming of Christ and then this a day later.
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- Imnimo 2y agoIt is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.
- orionsbelt 2y agoMaybe she thinks the _world_ is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI, not just limited to OpenAI, and she wants to compete and do her own thing (and easily raise $1B like Ilya).
- xur17 2y agoWhich is arguably a good thing (having AGI spread amongst multiple entities rather than one leader).
- tomrod 2y agoThe show Person of Interest comes to mind.
- tempodox 2y agoSamaritan will take us by the hand and lead us safely through this brave new world.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoHow is that good? An arms race increases the pressure to go fast and disregard alignment safety, non proliferation is essential.
- actionfromafar 2y agoI think that train left some time ago.
- rvz 2y ago> “Leaving to do my own exploration” Lets write this chapter and take some guesses, it's either going to be: 1. Anthropic. 2. SSI Inc. 3. Own AI Startup. 4. Neither. Only one is correct.
- mikelitoris 2y agoThe only thing your comment says is she won’t be working simultaneously for more than one company in {1,2,3}.
- motoxpro 2y agoI know what I am going to say isn’t of much value but the GPs post is the most twitter comment ever and it made me chuckle.
- Apocryphon 2y agoPremium wallpaper app.
- VeejayRampay 2y agothat's a lot of core people leaving, especially since they're apparently so close to a "revolution in AGI" I feel like either they're not close at all and the people know it's all lies or they're seeing some shady stuff and want nothing to do with it
- paxys 2y agoA simpler explanation is that SamA is consolidating power at the company and pushing out everyone who hasn't been loyal to him from the start.
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- aresant 2y agoIt is unsuprising that Murati is leaving, she was reported to be one of the principal advocates for pushing Sam out (1) Of course everybody was quick to play nice once OpenAI insiders got the reality check from Satya that he'd just crush them by building an internal competing group, cut funding, and instantly destroy lots of paper millionaires. I'd imagine that Mira and others had 6 - 12 month agreeements in place to let the dust settle and finish their latest round of funding without further drama The OpenAI soap opera is going to be a great book or movie someday (1) https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executives-role-in-sam-altman-ouster.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi...?
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- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoIt doesn’t make sense to me that someone in such a position at a place like OpenAI would leave. So I assume that means she was forced out, maybe due to underperformance, or the failed coup, or something else. Anyone know what the story is on her background and how she got into that position and what she contributed? I’ve heard interesting stories, some positive and some negative, but can’t tell what’s true. It seems like there generally is just a lot of controversy around this “nonprofit”.
- mewse-hn 2y agoThere are some good articles that explain what happened with the coup, that's the main thing to read up on. As for the reason she's leaving, you don't take a shot at the leader of the organization, miss, and then expect to be able to remain at the organization. She's probably been on house leave since it happened for the sake of optics at OpenAI.
- muglug 2y agoIt’s Sam’s Club now.
- paxys 2y agoAlways has been
- grey-area 2y agoAltman was not there at the start. He came in later, as he did with YC.
- paxys 2y agoHe became CEO later, but was always part of the founding team at OpenAI.
- grey-area 2y agoYou have to be careful with founder status it is often retrospectively applied (e.g. musk is ‘founder’ of tesla) and their role inflated, ignoring the contributions of others. Not sure in this case what input he had early on but others seem to have had much more impact in key technical hires/decisions.
- TMWNN 2y agoMurati and Sutskever discovered the high Costco of challenging Altman.
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- romanovcode 2y agoIt's CIA`s club since 2024.
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- Jayakumark 2y agoAt this point no one except Sam from founding team is in the company.
- bansheeps 2y agoMira wasn't a part of the founding team. Wojicech Zaremba and Jakub are still at the company.
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- alexmolas 2y agoThey can't spend more than 6 months without a drama...
- jonny_eh 2y agoIt's the same drama, spread out over time.
- Reimersholme 2y ago...and Sam Altman once again posts a response including uppercase, similar to when Ilya left. It's like he wants to let everyone know that he didn't actually care enough to write it himself but just asked chatGPT to write something for him.
- pshc 2y agoI think it's just code switching. Serious announcements warrant a more serious tone.
- layer8 2y agoPlain-text version for those who can’t read images: “Hi all, I have something to share with you. After much reflection, I have made the difficult decision to leave OpenAI. My six-and-a-half years with the OpenAI team have been an extraordinary privilege. While I'll express my gratitude to many individuals in the coming days, I want to start by thanking Sam and Greg for their trust in me to lead the technical organization and for their support throughout the years. There's never an ideal time to step away from a place one cherishes, yet this moment feels right. Our recent releases of speech-to-speech and OpenAI o1 mark the beginning of a new era in interaction and intelligence – achievements made possible by your ingenuity and craftsmanship. We didn't merely build smarter models, we fundamentally changed how AI systems learn and reason through complex problems. We brought safety research from the theoretical realm into practical applications, creating models that are more robust, aligned, and steerable than ever before. Our work has made cutting-edge AI research intuitive and accessible, developing technology that adapts and evolves based on everyone's input. This success is a testament to our outstanding teamwork, and it is because of your brilliance, your dedication, and your commitment that OpenAI stands at the pinnacle of AI innovation. I'm stepping away because I want to create the time and space to do my own exploration. For now, my primary focus is doing everything in my power to ensure a smooth transition, maintaining the momentum we've built. I will forever be grateful for the opportunity to build and work alongside this remarkable team. Together, we've pushed the boundaries of scientific understanding in our quest to improve human well-being. While I may no longer be in the trenches with you, I will still be rooting for you all. With deep gratitude for the friendships forged, the triumphs achieved, and most importantly, the challenges overcome together. Mira”
- m3kw9 2y agoNot a big deal if you don’t look too closely
- seydor 2y agoThey will all be replaced by ASIs soon, so it doesn't matter who s coming and going
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- codingwagie 2y agoMy bet is all of these people can raise 20-100M for their own startups. And they are already rich enough to retire. OpenAI is going corporate
- keeptrying 2y agoIf you keep working past $10M net worth (as all these people undoubtedly are) its usually always for legacy. I actually think Sam's vision probably scares them.
- hiddencost 2y ago$10M doesn't go as far as you'd think in the Bay Area or NYC.
- ForHackernews 2y ago...the only two places on Earth.
- _se 2y ago$10M is never work again money literally anywhere in the world. Don't kid yourself. Buy a $3.5M house outright and then collect $250k per year risk free after taxes. You're doing whatever you want and still saving money.
- mewpmewp2 2y agoThe problem is if you are the type of person able to get to $10M, you'll probably want more, since the motivation that got you there in the first place will keep you unsatisfied with anything less. You'll constantly crave for more in terms of magnitudes.
- keeptrying 2y agoNo. Know lots of people in this bucket. Of course there are some who want $100M. But most are really happy that they most likely don’t ever have to do anything they don’t like.
- keeptrying 2y agoIf OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?
- paxys 2y agoOr is it Sam who doesn't want to work with them?
- trashtester 2y agoCould be a mix. We don't know what happened behind close doors last winter. Sam may indeed be happy that they leave, as that consolidates his power. But they may be equally happy to leave, to get away from him.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoOpen AI fired her. She didn't drop out.
- keeptrying 2y agoDo you have any proof even circumstantial?
- _giorgio_ 2y agohttps://nypost.com/2024/03/08/business/openai-chief-technology-officer-mira-murati-complained-about-sam-altman/ https://nypost.com/2024/03/08/business/openai-chief-technolo...
- enraged_camel 2y agoThat's not evidence, though?
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- imjonse 2y agoI am glad most people do not talk in real life using the same style this message was written in.
- antoineMoPa 2y agoTo me, this looks like something chatgpt would write.
- squigz 2y agoOr, like, any PR person from the past... forever.
- latexr 2y agoI am surprised I had to scroll down this far to find someone making this point. In addition to being the obvious joke in this situation, the message was so dull, generic, and “this incredible journey” that I instinctively began to read diagonally before finishing the second paragraph.
- betimsl 2y agoAs an albanian, I can confirm she wrote it herself (obviously with the help of ChatGPT) -- no finesse and other writing elements.
- blitzar 2y agoIt was not written by her, it was written by the other sides lawyers.
- redbell 2y agoSutskever [1], Karpathy [2], Schulman [3], and Murati today! Who's next? Altman?! _________________ 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41168904 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41168904
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- ren_engineer 2y agoyou've also got Brockman taking a sabbatical, who knows if he comes back at the end of it
- jonny_eh 2y agoI don't think Altman will push himself out a window.
- _giorgio_ 2y agoHe didn't fire himself. Those persons did. https://nypost.com/2024/03/08/business/openai-chief-technology-officer-mira-murati-complained-about-sam-altman/ https://nypost.com/2024/03/08/business/openai-chief-technolo...
- LarsDu88 2y agoShe'll pop up working with Ilya
- fairity 2y agoEveryone postulating that this was Sam’s bidding is forgetting that Greg also left this year, clearly on his own volition. That makes it much more probable that these execs have simply lost faith in OpenAI.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoOr that they are losing a power struggle against Sam
- jordanb 2y agoPeople are saying this is coup-related but it could also be due to this horrible response to the a question about what they used to train their Sora model: https://youtu.be/mAUpxN-EIgU?feature=shared&t=263 https://youtu.be/mAUpxN-EIgU?feature=shared&t=263
- ruddct 2y agoRelated (possibly): OpenAI to remove non-profit control and give Sam Altman equity https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41651548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41651548
- Recursing 2y agoInteresting that gwern predicted this as well yesterday > Translation for the rest of us: "we need to fully privatize the OA subsidiary and turn it into a B-corp which can raise a lot more capital over the next decade, in order to achieve the goals of the nonprofit, because the chief threat is not anything like existential risk from autonomous agents in the next few years or arms races, but inadequate commercialization due to fundraising constraints". > It's about laying the groundwork for the privatization and establishing rhetorical grounds for how the privatization of OA is consistent with the OA nonprofit's legally-required mission and fiduciary duties. Altman is not writing to anyone here, he is, among others, writing to the OA nonprofit board and to the judge next year. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41629493 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41629493
- reducesuffering 2y agoWith multiple correct predictions, do you think the rest of HN will start to listen to Gwern’s beliefs about OpenAI / AGI problems? Probably not.
- baxtr 2y agoI’m not aware of those beliefs. Could you provide a link to an article/ comment?
- comp_throw7 2y agoThis is somewhat high context, but as a random example: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/jtoPawEhLNXNxvgTT/bing-chat-is-blatantly-aggressively-misaligned#ckwcde6QBaNw7yxCt https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/jtoPawEhLNXNxvgTT/bing-chat-...
- textlapse 2y agoMaybe OpenAI is trying to enter a new enterprise phase past its startup era? They have hired CTO like figures from ex MSFt and so on … which would mean a natural exit for the startup era folks that we have seen recently? Every company wants to sell itself as some grandiose savior initially ‘organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible’, ‘solve AGI’ but I guess the investors and the top level people in reality are motivated by dollar signs and ads and enterprise and so on. Not that that’s a bad thing but really it’s a Potemkin village though…
- abecedarius 2y agoGwern predicting this in March: > Sam Altman has won. [...] Ilya Sutskever and Mira Murati will leave OA or otherwise take on some sort of clearly diminished role by year-end (90%, 75%; cf. Murati's desperate-sounding internal note) https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXHMCH7wCxrvKsJyn/openai-facts-from-a-weekend#eFuasCwaKJr2YiScY https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXHMCH7wCxrvKsJyn/openai-fac...
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoYup. Poor Mira. Fired from OpenAI.
- aswegs8 2y agoThat's what you get for messing with Sam Altman.
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- OutOfHere 2y agoI mean no disrespect, but to me, she always felt like an interim hire for her current role, like someone filling a position because there wasn't anyone else.
- elAhmo 2y agoYes, for the CEO role, but she has been with the company for more than six years, two and a half as a CTO.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoMost comments posit that if OpenAI is so close to AGI, why leave and miss that payoff? It's possible that the competitors to OpenAI have rendered future improvements (yes even to the fabled AGI) less and less profitable to the point that the more profitable thing to do would be capitalize on your current fame and raise capital. That's how I'm reading this. If the competition can be just as usable as OpenAI's SOA models and free or close to it, the profit starts vanishing in most predictions
- hall0ween 2y agoI appreciate your insightful thoughts here :)
- user90131313 2y agoHow many big names are still working on OpenAI at this point? They lost all the edge this year. That drama from last year literally broke all the core team.
- isodev 2y agoCan someone share a non twitter link? For those of us who can’t access it.
- simbas 2y agohttps://x.com/miramurati/status/1726542556203483392 https://x.com/miramurati/status/1726542556203483392
- nopromisessir 2y agoShe might just be stressed out. Happens all the time. She's in a very demanding position. She's a pro. Lots to learn from watching how she operates.
- apwell23 2y agoAre you her friend or something. you created this profile to post on just one topic?
- nopromisessir 2y agoNo. Never met her. I study managers. She's a manager. HN is rife with defamation. Sometimes I push back where it's particularly egregious and on a topic I know well. Honestly, I bother a lot less. I'm not sure there is hope for this community. The same happened with reddit.
- moralestapia 2y agoThe right way to think about this is that every persona on that team has a billion-dollar size blank check from VCs in front of them. OpenAI made them good money, yes; but if at some point there's a new endeavor in the horizon with another guaranteed billion-dollar payout, they'll just take it. Exhibit A: Ilya. New razor: never attribute to AGI that which is adequately explained by greed.
- neom 2y agoLots of speculation in the comments. Who knows, but if it was me, I wouldn't be keeping all my eggs in the OpenAI basket, 6 years and well vested with a long run of AI companies you could go to? I'd start buying a few more lottery tickets personally (especially at 35).
- joshdavham 2y agoThat was actually my first thought as well. If you’ve got your vesting and don’t wanna work in a large company setting anymore, why not go do something else?
- carimura 2y agoOnce someone is independently wealthy, personal priorities change. I guarantee she'll crop up again as founder CEO/CTO where she calls the shots and gets the chance (even if slim) to turn millions into billions.
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- paxys 2y agoI will never understand why people still take statements like these at face value. These aren't her personal thoughts and feelings. The letter was carefully crafted by OpenAI's PR team under strict direction from Sam and the board. Whatever the real story is is sitting under many layers of NDAs and threats of clawing back/diluting her shares, and we will not know it for a long time. What I can say for certain is no executive in her position ever willingly resigns to pursue different passions/spend more time with their family/enjoy retirement or whatever else.
- tasuki 2y ago> What I can say for certain is no executive in her position ever willingly resigns to pursue different passions/spend more time with their family/enjoy retirement or whatever else. Do you think that's because executives are so exceedingly ambitious, or because pursuing different passions is for some reason less attractive?
- paulcole 2y agoIt’s because they can’t imagine themselves doing it so they imagine that everyone must be like that. It’s part hubris and part lack of creativity/empathy. Think about if you’ve ever known someone you’ve been envious of for whatever reason who did something that just perplexed you. “They dumped their gorgeous partner, how could they do that?” “They quit a dream job, how could they do that?” “They moved out of that awesome apartment, how could they do that?” “They dropped out of that elite school, how could they do that?” Very easily actually. You’re seeing only part of the picture. Beautiful people are just as annoying as everybody else. Every dream job has a part that sucks. If you can’t imagine that, you’re not trying hard enough. You can see this in action in a lot of ways. One good one is the Ultimatum Game: https://www.core-econ.org/the-economy/microeconomics/04-strategic-interactions-11-ultimatum-game.html https://www.core-econ.org/the-economy/microeconomics/04-stra... Most people will end up thinking that they have an ironclad logical strategy but if you ask them about it, it’ll end up that their strategy is treating the other player as a carbon copy of themselves.
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- hshshshsvsv 2y agoOne possible explanation could be OpenAI has no clue on inventing AGI. And since she has now fuck you money she might as well live it instead of wasting away working for OpenAI.
- lsh123 2y agoTreason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.
- nojvek 2y agoPrediction: OpenAI will implode by 2030 and become a smaller shell of current as they run out of money by spending too much. Prediction 2: Russia will implode by 2035, by also spending too much money.
- selimthegrim 2y agoWhere is the magic lamp that summons thriftwy who will tell us which countries or companies Russia/OpenAI will absorb
- aeternum 2y agoNow do the US Gov
- tazu 2y agoRussia's debt to GDP ratio is 20%. The United States' debt to GDP ratio is 123%.
- Yizahi 2y agoLol, ruzzian GDP is completely inflated by the war. Every single tank or rocket produced and burned down is a net GDP boost on paper, and destruction of that same equipment is not reflected in it. Ruzzia will not implode any time soon, we have seen that people can live in much worse conditions for decades (Venezuela, Best Korea, Haiti etc.) but don't delude your self that it is some economic powerhouse. It's not for quite some time now because they are essentially burning their money and workforce.
- davesque 2y agoMaybe I'm just a rotten person, but I always find these overly gracious exit letters by higher-ups to be pretty nauseating.
- meow_catrix 2y agoYada yada dump at ath
- charlie0 2y agoWill probably start her own company and raise a billy like her old pal Iyla. I wouldn't blame her, there's been so many articles that technical people should just start their own company instead of being CTO.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoNow I’m curious. Can you share some example articles please?
- charlie0 2y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38112827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38112827 https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/1bodr0f/founding_engineer_is_just_the_worse_job_dont_do_it/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/1bodr0f/... https://www.teamblind.com/post/Hot-take-dont-be-a-founding-engineer-QTx8HtUh https://www.teamblind.com/post/Hot-take-dont-be-a-founding-e... tl;dr If you're going to be a CTO or founding engineer, make sure you are getting well compensated, either through salary (which start-ups generally can't do) or equity (which the founder won't generally give away).
- reducesuffering 2y agoFormer OpenAI interim CEO Emmett Shear on this departure: "You should, as a matter of course, read absolutely nothing into departure announcements. They are fully glommerized as a default, due to the incentive structure of the iterated game, and contain ~zero information beyond the fact of the departure itself." https://x.com/eshear/status/1839050283953041769 https://x.com/eshear/status/1839050283953041769
- ford 2y agoHow bad of a sign is it that so many people have left over the last 12 months? Can anyone speak to how different things are?
- archiepeach 2y agoWhen multiple senior people resign in protest, it's indicative that they're not happy with someone among their own ranks who they vehemently disagree with. John Schulman and Greg left in the same week. Greg, opting to choose to take a sabbatical, may have chosen that over full-on resigning which would align with how he acted during the board-ousting - standing by Sam till the end. If multiple key people were drastically unhappy with her, it would have shaken confidence in herself and everyone working with her. What else to do but let her go?
- w10-1 2y agoThe disparity between size of the promise and the ambiguity of the business model creates both necessity and advantage for executives to leverage external forces to shape company direction. Everyone in the C-suite would be seeking a foothold, but it's unlikely any CTO or technologist would be the real nexus for partner and now investor relations. So while there might be circumstances, history, and personalities involved, OpenAI's current situation basically dictates this. With luck, Mr. Altman's overtures to bring in middle east investors will get locals on board; either way, it's fair to say he'll own whatever OpenAI becomes, whether he's an owner or not. And if he loses control in the current scrum, I suspect his replacement would be much worse (giving him yet another advantage). Best wishes to all.
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- ein0p 2y agoIt was only a matter of time - IIRC she did try to stab Altman in the back when he was pushed out, and that likely sealed her fate.
- desireco42 2y agoShe was out of her depth there, I don't know how she lasted this long. During worst time she showed 0 leadership. But this is from my outside perspective.
- stonethrowaway 2y agoWhat was her angle from beginning?
- nalekberov 2y agoHopefully she didn't generate her farewell message using AI.
- ants_everywhere 2y ago> we fundamentally changed how AI systems learn and reason through complex problems I'm not an AI researcher, have they done this? The commentary I've seen on o1 is basically that they incorporated techniques that were already being used. I'd also be curious to learn: what fundamental contributions to research has OpenAI made? The ChatGPT that was released in 2022 was based on Google's research, and IMO the internal Google chatbot from 2021 was better than the first ChatGPT. I know they employ a lot of AI scientists who have previously published milestone work, and I've read at least one OpenAI paper. But I'm genuinely unaware of what fundamental breakthroughs they've made as a company. I'm willing to believe they've done important work, and I'm seriously asking for pointers to some of it. What I know of them is mainly that they've been first to market with existing tech, possibly training on more data.
- incognition 2y agoIlya was the Google researcher..
- ants_everywhere 2y agoWasn't he at OpenAI when transformers and Google's pretrained transformer BERT came out?
- ants_everywhere 2y agoOh, oops, the piece I was missing was Radford et al. (2018) and probably some others. That's perhaps what you were referring to?
- danpalmer 2y agoI think it's inarguable that OpenAI have at least at times over the last 3 years been well ahead of other companies. Whether that's true now is open to debate, but it has been true. This suggests they have either: made substantial breakthroughs, that are not open, or that the better abilities of OpenAI products are due to non-substantial tweaks (more training, better prompting, etc). I'm not sure either of these options is great for the original mission of OpenAI, although given their direction to "Closed-AI" I guess the former would be better for them.
- bansheeps 2y agoUpdate: Looks like Barret Zoph, GPT-4's post training (co-)lead is also leaving: https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452 https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452
- thundergolfer 2y agoAnd now Bob McGrew, Chief of Research
- lolinder 2y agoOpenAI is restructuring to be a for profit. Looks like that's coming with a bunch of turnover. I'm not sure why the HN algorithm never let it hit the front page, but there's discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41651548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41651548
- yas_hmaheshwari 2y agoWhoa! This definitely looks much more troubling for the company now. Can't decide it is because AGI is coming very soon OR AGI is very far away
- unsupp0rted 2y agoIt's probably neither of those things. People can only be pissed off + burnt out for so long before they throw up their hands and walk out. Even if AGI is a random number of months away... or isn't.
- freefaler 2y agoIf they had any equity they might've vested and decided there is more to life than working there. It's hard to be very motivated to work at high pace when you can retire any moment without losing your lifestyle.
- jprete 2y agoI cannot actually believe that of anyone working at OpenAI, unless the company internal culture has gotten so unpleasant that people want to quit. Which is a very different kind of change, but I can't see them going from Bell Labs to IBM in less than ten years.
- TheAlchemist 2y agoSimilar to when Andrei Karpathy left Tesla. Tesla was on the verge of 'solving FSD' and unlocking trillions of $ of revenue (and mind you, this was already 3 years after the CEO said that they will have 1 million robotaxis on the road by the year's end). Guess what ? Tesla is still on the verge of 'solving FSD'. And most probably it will be in the same place for the next 10 years. The writing is on the wall for OpenAI.
- vagab0nd 2y agoI follow the latest updates to FSD and it's clear to me that they are getting closer to robotaxis really fast.
- squigz 2y agoThat's what was said years ago.
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- TheAlchemist 2y agoYeah I follow it too. There is progress for sure, one have to wonder if the CEO was very consciously lying 5, 8 years ago when he said they are less than 1 year away from robotaxis, given how shitty the system was. They are on a path of linear improvement. They would need to go on a path of exponential improvement to have any hope of a working robotaxi in the next 2 years. That's not happening at all.
- ssnistfajen 2y agoFSD isn't getting "solved" without outlawing human drivers, period. Otherwise you are trying to solve a non-deterministic system with deterministic software under a 0% error tolerance rate. Even without human drivers you still have to deal with all the non-vehicle entities that pop onto the road from time to time. Jaywalkers alone is almost as complex to deal with as human drivers.
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- Sandworm5639 2y agoCan anyone tell me more about Mira Murati? What else is she known for? How did she end up in this position?
- sumedh 2y agoIts all a bit of mystery, even the early board members of Open AI were relatively unknown people who could not fight Altman.
- JCM9 2y agoThey set out to do some cool stuff. They did. Company is now in the reality of they need to run a business and make revenue/profit which is, honestly, a lot less fun than when you were in “let’s change the world and do cool stuff” phase. AGI is much further away than thought. Was a good run and time to do something else and let others now do the “run a company” phase. Seems like nothing more to it than that and seems fair to me.
- andy_ppp 2y agoWhat on Earth is going on that they keep losing their best people. Is it a strange work environment?
- JCM9 2y agoOpenAI is shifting from “we did some really cool stuff” phase into the reality of needing to run a company, getting revenue, etc phase. Not common for folks to want to move on and go find the next cool thing. AGI is not around the corner. Building a company is a very different thing than building cool stuff and OpenAI is now in building a company mode.
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- xyst 2y agoCompany is circling the drain. Sam Altman must be a real nightmare to work with.
- lossolo 2y agoBob McGrew, head of research just quit too. "I just shared this with OpenAI" https://x.com/bobmcgrewai/status/1839099787423134051 https://x.com/bobmcgrewai/status/1839099787423134051 Barret Zoph, VP Research (Post-Training) "I posted this note to OpenAI." https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452 https://x.com/barret_zoph/status/1839095143397515452 All used the same template.
- HaZeust 2y agoAt this point, I wonder if it's part of seniority employment contract to publicly announce departure? One of Sam's strategies for OpenAI publicity is to state it's "too dangerous to be in the common man's hands" (since at least GPT-2) - and this strategy seems to generate a similar buzz too? I wonder if this is just continued creative guerilla tactics to stir the "talk about them maybe finding AGI" pot. That or we're playing an inverse Roko's Basilisk.
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- martin82 2y agoMy guess is that OpenAI has been taken over by three letter agencies (the adults have arrived) and the people leaving now are the ones who have a conscience and refuse to build the most powerful tool for tyranny and hand it to one of the most evil governments on earth. Sam, being the soulless grifter and scammer he is, of course will remain until the bitter end, drunk with the glimpse of power he surely got while forging backroom deals with the big boys.
- k1rd 2y agoIf you leave him on an island of cannibals... He will be the only one left.
- DeathArrow 2y agoWhy is this important?
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- betimsl 2y agoa-few-moments-later.jpeg: - She and the prime minister of Albania on the same photo
- fsndz 2y agoI think mira saw that sama is wrong, so she left. https://www.lycee.ai/blog/why-sam-altman-is-wrong https://www.lycee.ai/blog/why-sam-altman-is-wrong
- TheOtherHobbes 2y agoPerhaps the team decided to research how many 'r's are in 'non-compete.'
- monkfish328 2y agoGuessing they've all made a lot of dough as well already?
- navjack27 2y agoOkay hear me out. Restructuring for profit right? There will probably be companies spawned off of all of these leaving. If the government ever wants a third party to oversee safety of openAI wouldn't it be convenient if one of those that left the company started a company that focused on safety. Safe Superintelligence Inc. gets the bid because lobbying because whatever I don't even care what the reason is in this made up scenario in my head. Basically what I'm saying is what if Sam is all like "hey guys, you know it's inevitable that we're going to be regulated, I'm going for profit for this company now, you guys leave and later on down the line we will meet again in an incestuous company relationship where we regulate ourselves and we all profit." Obviously this is bad. But also obviously this is exactly exactly what has happened in the past with other industries. Edit: The man is all about the long con anyway. - https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3cs78i/whats_the_best_long_con_you_ever_pulled/cszwpgq/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3cs78i/whats_the... Another edit: I'll go one further on this a lot of the people that are leaving are going to double down on saying that open AI isn't focused on safety to build up the public perception and therefore the governmental perception that regulation is needed so there's going to be a whole thing going on here. Maybe it won't just be safety and it might be other aspects also because not all the companies can be focused on safety.
- learningstud 2y ago> If the government ever wants a third party to oversee safety of openAI No, please don't drag the government into this. Don't call for regulation when we don't know it's implications. Once we gain enough insight, the benefits of regulations and government interventions will most likely outweigh the costs. Laissez-faire is the way to go. When can we learn from history?
- neycoda 2y agoNow that AI has exploded, I keep thinking about that show called Almost Human, that opened describing a time when technology advanced so fast that it was unable to be regulated.
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- greener_grass 2y agoAI safety people claiming that working on AI start-ups is a good way to prevent harmful AI is laughable. The second you hit some kind of breakthrough, capital finds a way to remove any and all guardrails that might impede future profits. It happened at DeepMind, Google, Microsoft and OpenAI. Why won't this happen the next time? And ironically, many in this community say that corporations are AI.
- personalityson 2y agoSam will be the last to leave and OpenAI continues to run on it's own
- sourcepluck 2y agoSuper-closed-source-for-maximum-profit-AI lost an employee? I hope she enters into a fruitful combative relationship with her former employer.
- gazebushka 2y agoMan I really want to read a book about all of this drama
- dstanko 2y agoSo ChatGPT turned AGI and found a way to blackmail all of the ones that were agains it (them?) and blackmailed them to leave. For some reason I'm thinking of a movie Demon Seed... :P