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Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro
- saagarjha 6y agoIt's interesting that the Mac Mini is clocked slightly lower than the laptops.
- vondur 6y agoYeah, that's odd. I figured it would be clocked higher as it can probably have the best cooling of all of the M1 devices.
- thesandlord 6y agoIt might be a lower-binned part that can't run as fast. Assuming the best chips will go to the Pro.
- thoughtsimple 6y agoThere seems to be only one public test of the Macmini9,1. Sometimes GeekBench is not accurate on the clock speeds. Take the clock speed with a little skepticism until more results are posted. I can't see why the system with the best cooling would be 3.04 GHz instead of 3.2 like both the MacBook Pro and Air.
- LIV2 6y agoIs geekbench accurate at comparing across different architectures?
- wizee 6y agoGenerally, yes. The benchmarks are calculating/computing the same things on both architectures, and the various sub-benchmarks are based on real-world non-trivial computational problems rather than microbenchmarks that are easily manipulated by instruction set differences.
- userbinator 6y agoUnless they are written in optimised Asm I would not compare across architectures, because there is considerable leeway in compilers and my experience has shown that a good human can often beat a compiler solidly --- at least on x86. https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=185109&curpostid=185132 https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=185109&curpost...
- saagarjha 6y agoHow often is software written by a good human?
- ytch 6y agoGeekbench tests daily tasks like AES, PDF, HTML5. If the score is higher, then daily tasks are faster too. IMHO it is reliable across different Arch/CPU/OS.
- YetAnotherNick 6y agoIf anything, I feel like many tests are based on x86 special instructions like AES, which does not directly translate to other tasks. But for most of the tasks I think it wouldn't be possible that the processor are only better at those and performance of most program should correlate with geekbench score.
- johncolanduoni 6y agoARM has AES instruction extensions, and IIRC iPhones have had them for some time.
- LeoPanthera 6y agoHas Geekbench for Mac been ported to ARM or is it running in Intel emulation mode?
- mettamage 6y agoI wonder what the Macbook Pro 16 inch late 2019 is on the single core score. Not having the same devices in both single core and multi core makes me sceptical.
- grecy 6y agoNo need to wonder [1], it's right around 1070 [1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=MacBook+pro+16 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=MacBook+pro+16
- varispeed 6y agoI really really hope that in real life scenarios this will be much faster than Intel CPUs, in case a wake up slap from AMD will not do. Maybe Intel will swallow its pride and design a new CPU for TSMC.
- woah 6y agoIf they haven’t woken up by now, when will they?
- waterhouse 6y agoHow long does Geekbench take to run? Long enough to reach thermal equilibrium?
- threeseed 6y agoOnly a few minutes. And likely not. On my 10980xe it will cause the CPU to reach peak temperatures for 30s or so but only during specific workloads. Typically those utilising AVX-512.
- jb1991 6y agoGeekbench is designed to measure CPU burst speeds, not to measure cooling systems. By design it does not run long enough to test the thermal situation.
- WoodenChair 6y agoTheir line from the video about being the highest performance chip in single core appears to be true. This is of course a synthetic benchmark but the single core result is very promising. Note that the single core and multi core scores exceed the top-of-the-line 16” MacBook Pro (9th generation 8-core i9 2.4 ghz). I actually made the call to sell my 16” for the new Air yesterday. It’s looking like a good call. Glad I’m selling my 16” while it still has some value. You can see all Air results so far here: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=MacBookAir10%2C1 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=MacBookAir10%2...
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- imwally 6y agoReplacing my 16" MBP (8 core i9 2.3ghz / 32GB RAM) with the new Air as well. All of that power (yes I know, it's not sustained) without a fan is incredible.
- WoodenChair 6y agoYeah I had almost the same configuration (2tb/32gb/2.4 ghz). I’m literally getting the new Air for half of what I’m selling it for.
- davideous 6y agoWhere are you selling it? I want to know where to buy a used 16” MBP.
- chrischen 6y agoI've sold on cragislist before... worked out fine.
- WoodenChair 6y agoeBay-you’re welcome to buy it if you want: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-MacBook-Pro-16-2-4-Ghz-i9-32-GB-RAM-2-TB-SSD-Radeon-5500M-8-GB-Free-Ship/124434052826?hash=item1cf8d8f6da:g:2yMAAOSwMXdfqvAk https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-MacBook-Pro-16-2-4-Ghz-i9-32-...
- rdw 6y agoWhat's up with these iMacPro results with AMD Ryzen processors? https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4644694 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4644694 Thought Apple was an Intel-only shop until Apple Silicon.
- asniper 6y agoProbably hackintosh builds
- ArchOversight 6y agoHackintosh build. Look up Acidanthera Mac.
- pwinnski 6y agoI'm looking forward to seeing what the top end of this chip can do. 64 cores ought to be nice! 32 cores at least.
- grecy 6y agoAnd I think it's safe to assume that is in the works for the iMac Pro and Mac Pro, it's just a question of when it will see the light of day.
- SubjectToChange 6y agoThe Mac Pro isn't a high volume unit. So it's unlikely that Apple will spend the money developing huge, workstation class CPUs.
- threeseed 6y agoInteresting question is whether they go with 2x/4x M1 or have a specially designed M2.
- kllrnohj 6y agoIt'll definitely be a different chip either way. To have a 2x or 4x M1s would require interconnects between the CPUs for sharing RAM and general communication, which isn't there on the M1 currently. So at a minimum you're talking a rev of M1 to add such interconnects. But that all seems very unlikely. If they do go that route it'd almost certainly be something like AMD's chiplets instead of just straight "multi-socket"
- pwinnski 6y agoI think M2 would be next year, no? So maybe M1X or M1S or M1P or something like that.
- bichiliad 6y agoI've been holding onto my late 2013 15" MacBook Pro for almost 7 years now and it's wild to see it get absolutely out-spec'd by the MacBook Air. It's been a long time, but I've always convinced myself that I'm not missing out on that big of a processor improvement. I do a lot of audio work with it, but even then it doesn't always feel like a slow experience.
- mixmastamyk 6y agoMy favorite model, the keyboard is heavenly.
- bichiliad 6y agoI really do love it. I'm gonna miss it when I eventually have to retire it. It's been rock solid this entire time.
- bluedino 6y agoYour 2013 would be at a huge performance disadvantage to the 2020 Intel Air and Pro. Those are supposed at just as much of a disadvantage compared to the new Apple Silicon Air and Pro. That's where shock comes in.
- colmvp 6y agoThat MacBook has to be one of the best computers Apple has ever created. Mine has lasted this long with non-stop daily usage for years and travel around different countries.
- jackschultz 6y agoThrowing in a comment in this thread to say same. Incredible how I've used mine for 7 years and it seems new still. Only issue is 8 gigs of ram makes things like docker or ides difficult, but I get hesitant to buy a replacement because of the year to year changes. I mean, why buy a new one if you have a machine that's been going strong for so long?
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- protoman3000 6y agoIf Apple can create this magic with ARM, I wonder what they can achieve using RISC-V.
- saagarjha 6y agoProbably much worse.
- Avi-D-coder 6y agoAir vs Pro, is the benchmark to look for. I'll be interested to know how much active cooling and binning real do for Rustc or LLVM compilation times.
- diehunde 6y agoI mean the only relevant difference I see is that the Pro comes with a fan. Would like to see that benchmark too.
- Avi-D-coder 6y agoThat is what I mean by active cooling.
- wmf 6y agoAir vs. Tiger Lake 1165: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4306696?baseline=4648107 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4306696?baselin... And the GPGPU: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/1800719?baseline=1801643 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/compare/1800719?bas...
- WoodenChair 6y agoIs this arguably comparing a 28 watt part to a 10 watt part?
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- kllrnohj 6y agoWe don't know the boosting behavior of the M1, so we have no idea how much power it's pulling during Geekbench's short burst. Also the i7-1165G7 is a 12-28w part, configurable by the OEM. I'd assume the XPS 13 is running it at top spec, but that'd also need validation.
- notfried 6y agoThe Dell XPS with a i7-1165G7 processor has a base price $1,499. This includes a 512GB SSD so compares to the Macbook Air's $1,199 price with the same SSD. With that Macbook Air configuration, you also get a higher resolution screen.
- knolan 6y agoApple’s SSDs tend to be faster too, but also soldered in along with everything else.
- YetAnotherNick 6y agoThe one you shared looked crazy overclocked or something(it says 4.7 ghz). Almost all other tests of 1165 is in the range of single core performance of 1500. This is more representative of the chip of the same laptop: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4648891?baseline=4648107 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4648891?baselin...
- justinator 6y agoThe 16GB max ram still seems a head scratcher. Not what would suppose I want for video editing.
- threeseed 6y agoThe three models Apple chose are all the consumer, low-end ones. You will see much higher specs on the Mac Mini Pro, MacBook Pro 14/16 and Mac Pro planned for next year.
- justinator 6y agoI guess for those who desire more RAM the call is hold off on M1 based MacBooks until this ceiling is raised. I’m guessing an intel based MacBook is a better call, except resale price will suffer.
- spideymans 6y agoTo think... this is the performance we’re seeing from their low-end model
- Existenceblinks 6y agoTiming is important here, M1 is not going to give you 32GB+, 1 year gap doesn't sound to me. M1 to M2 (whatevername) gap should be 2 years+
- grecy 6y agoI've got 16GB in my 2015 MBP and editing 1080p in FCPX it never slows down at all.
- justinator 6y agoI currently have the same MacBook but everything seems to be breaking (keyboard, battery, screen, major OS upgrades fail, etc) and it needs to be replaced. But 16gigs seems not very future proof. I’m already having issues with some video codecs I can’t work with, example .360 GoPro files. (I bought an iPhone SE to handle that!)
- kube-system 6y agoAnyone have thoughts on where are these benchmarks might be coming from? Part of me wants to put in my order today, and part of me wants to wait until after the YouTube reviews.
- threeseed 6y agoAt this point you would expect key developers like Microsoft, Adobe, OmniGroup etc to have retail hardware for testing. And whilst they are under NDA you do often see them running anonymous benchmarks like Geekbench.
- kube-system 6y agoAh, I didn't realize devs got anything other than the developer kit up until the release.
- arn 6y agoThere are also review units certainly out there
- terramex 6y agoGeekbench is designed to test CPU's in short bursts to not get them into thermal throttling (this is by design, it is supposed to be CPU test, not cooling test), so I would be wary of Air's results - at least until other benchmarks results are available. MacBook Pro's results on the other hand should be more representative as it has active cooling and can sustain heavy load for longer.
- minxomat 6y agoGB5 scores for the M1 Mini and M1 MBP are linked in TFA.
- terramex 6y agoI know, and they show the same numbers as Air's CPU. I'm just making sure everyone understands that it does not mean Air will have the same real life performance as Pro or Mini. If you compare top MacBook Air 2020 (Intel)[1] with lowest MacBook Pro 2020 (Intel)[2] their results are almost identical, but their real life performance was not even close - Air starts to throttle after just few minutes of work. At the moment there is no reason to believe that Apple's CPU will behave differently (after all, the fan is in Pro and Mini for a reason). [1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4652268 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4652268 [2] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4653210 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4653210
- altmind 6y agoGB5 scores are not comparable across different CPU arch. The scale is different.
- bredren 6y agoMy maxed out 2018 air did 760/1596 on geekbench 5.0.3. New MBA has a 1719/6967 on gb 5.3.0
- nichch 6y agoHow am I supposed to interpret this? A MacBook Air surpasses my i7-8700k in single and (almost) multi core performance?
- minxomat 6y agoYes, in fact, the A14 (iPhone 12) already surpassed most Intel chips: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16226/perf-trajectory_575px.png https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16226/perf-trajectory_575p... Intel is now #3
- FartyMcFarter 6y agoA modern mobile CPU with a TDP of 6 watts is beating a modern desktop CPU with a TDP of 125 watts? Is it just me or this seems too good to be true?
- minxomat 6y agoIt's a mobile CPU with many silicon advantages (widest decoder in industry, memory closer, deepest re-order buffer of any CPU and much more) plus a sane ISA and optimized OS. So yeah, you're seeing the benefit of Apples integration. That's why even the Anandtech page calls that graph "absurd", because it seems unreal, but it's real.
- refulgentis 6y agoGotta be frank because it's not getting through: you're jumping way ahead here. Every time one of these threads has happened, there's an ever-increasing # of people who vaguely remember reading a story about Apple GeekBench numbers, so therefore this one is credible too - I used to be one of those people. This has been going regularly for 3-4 years now, and your interlocutor as well as other comments on this article are correct - comparing X86 versus ARM on GeekBench is nonsensical due to the way GeekBench eliminates thermal concerns and the impact of sustained load. Your iPhone can't magically do video editing or compile code faster than an i5.
- maz1b 6y agoThis is pretty crazy to see, even if the full story isn't clear yet. A base level MacBook Air is taking the crown of the best MacBook Pro. Wow. SVP Johny Srouji and all of the Apple hardware + silicon team have been smashing it for the past many years. For what it's worth, I have a fully specced out 16 inch MacBook Pro with the AMD Radeon Pro 5600m and even with that I'm regularly hitting 100% usage of the card, and not to mention the fan noise. Looking forward to a version from Apple that is made for actual professionals, but I imagine these introductory M1 based devices are going to be great for the vast majority of people.
- martinald 6y agoSurely a version that can beat a 8 core Xeon is made for 'actual professionals'?
- kalleboo 6y agoIt still has a lot of limitations that matter to many pros - max 16 GB of RAM, max 2 displays (only 1 external for laptops), only enough PCIe lanes to support 2 thunderbolt ports. eGPUs aren't supported either, but hopefully that is a software thing that will be fixed. It will be very interesting to see what the performance will be of the more "pro" chip that overcomes those limitations that they'd put in the 16" and iMacs
- rickbutton 6y agowhy would it be only 1 external display? Can you not plug into a thunderbolt dock and use multiple external displays? I do exactly that with my 2012 MacBook Pro.
- eli 6y agoIt's a limitation of the M1 chip apparently https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/11/11/how-apple-silicon-on-a-m1-mac-changes-monitor-support-and-what-you-can-connect https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/11/11/how-apple-silicon...
- cercatrova 6y agoThat's true, but some people need the larger screen and discrete GPU. I personally run bootcamp Windows all the time (for development as well as gaming with an eGPU) and I just run macOS for compiling my iOS apps. ARM Macs won't be able to use an eGPU it seems.
- my123 6y agoHardware is able to use an eGPU, but Apple decided to not compile the Radeon drivers for arm64 macOS at least for now. Hopefully they'll reverse that decision. (or their GPUs in the higher end machines will have to be really good)
- sitharus 6y agoI'm assuming (for now) that discrete GPUs will still be featured in higher-end machines, so the Radeon drivers will appear over the next couple of years.
- tambourine_man 6y agoI think Apple is done supporting other people’s GPUs. Their graphics are pretty good, they can match NVidea and AMD with TSMC’s help if they want to.
- ytch 6y agoThere is still PCIe bus and Thunderbolt, technically it is still possible to connect NVIDIA/AMD GPU to Apple Silicon, but we need enough bus (x8 or x16) and drivers.
- YetAnotherNick 6y agoAnd this test is very likely not the native test, but ran with translation from Rosetta. Kudos to Apple. This has the highest single core performance of all processors including highest end desktop processors from Intel and AMD: https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks
- thoughtsimple 6y agoThese are native. The ARM/Fat Binary release was today on the App Store.
- YetAnotherNick 6y agoAh, I stand corrected. This was native test.
- Aperocky 6y agoARM is the future, at least in laptops. Apple lead the fray again, it's incredible.
- systemvoltage 6y agoI have a burning question: Can I use gcc, python, etc. on the new M1-based Macbooks? I am thinking about getting one but not sure if I can use it as a development machine. How does rosetta translation layer work with brew apps and other binaries?
- knolan 6y agoThey showed this during the previous transition announcement. They flashed up a screen of various open source tools that they’ve tested. It even included Blender. Here is the image: http://www.cgchannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/200623_AppleSiliconMacs_Blender.jpg http://www.cgchannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/200623_A...
- lawnchair_larry 6y agoBrew would just compile the ARM version and it should work the same for the most part. Same as running Linux on ARM (like raspberry pi). I’m not sure if it supports it immediately, but this isn’t a difficult change, so it will certainly come soon.
- jsjohnst 6y agoI don’t have an M1 yet, but the things you mentioned work perfectly fine on my Developer Preview hardware, so I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t on the production hardware.
- my123 6y agoYes you can. For GCC targeting arm64 macOS, the dev branch is at https://github.com/iains/gcc-darwin-arm64/ https://github.com/iains/gcc-darwin-arm64/ currently. For Rosetta, everything runs except virtualisation apps.
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- ChrisMarshallNY 6y agoI am really looking forward to where this goes. That said, I am definitely waiting for at least one generation to pass before I jump on the train. I’ve been through this before. It will be great, but Apple is a master at smoke & mirrors. Things will not go as smoothly as the sizzle reels make it seem.
- Aperocky 6y agoI'm hoping that at least the basics will be here (posix shell, vim, browser, etc), I won't need anything else for a long long time.
- rvz 6y agoLike the grandparent comment, I would avoid this M1 Macbook since the developer ecosystem is still unsupported by it. Take this for example: https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/4733 https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/4733 Docker still doesn't run on Apple Silicon Macs, so the migration path is already disrupted here.
- saagarjha 6y agoDocker and Boot Camp like the only things that don't work, for fairly obvious reasons.
- Aperocky 6y agoPersonally, I feel like docker is a intermediary product in terms of evolution between servers and cloud, and it's been massively over hyped. Many use cases, especially when it comes to microservices can almost always better served by something else
- robertoandred 6y agoYou say “still” as if Apple silicon Macs are more than a day old.
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- harshitaneja 6y agoAll those thinking of buying the new MBA, are you not concerned about availability of applications? Not all x86 applications will have an ARM alternative, yet.
- jackvalentine 6y agoThere are a few exceptions but... https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/about_the_rosetta_translation_environment https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/abou...
- minxomat 6y agoHad access to a DTK, and know even more devs who have one. Even that machine could run essentially all x86 software just fine with Rosetta (including things like dynamically loaded plugins). Only thing missing is virtualization, but that's coming soon (Docker & Parallels are working with Apple).
- tambourine_man 6y agoNope. This transition will be fast. Not like PPC -> Intel at all. Everyone is on Xcode these days and using much higher level frameworks. Adobe and Microsoft already announced early 2021 availability of native binaries. Besides, Rosetta 2 is even more impressive than the original was. I’m betting it will be a breeze. 6 months in and almost everything will be native.
- sharkjacobs 6y agoRosetta 2 sounds pretty good > fun fact: retaining and releasing an NSObject takes ~30 nanoseconds on current gen Intel, and ~6.5 nanoseconds on an M1 > …and ~14 nanoseconds on an M1 emulating an Intel https://mobile.twitter.com/Catfish_Man/status/1326238434235568128 https://mobile.twitter.com/Catfish_Man/status/13262384342355... I won't be replacing my workstation this weekend but then, I won't be updating it to Big Sur just yet either. I am getting a new personal machine sometime in the next year though I don't imagine I'll be buying an Intel Mac.
- plorkyeran 6y agoI haven't encountered any problems running x86 programs on the DTK. Performance is fine (with a slower CPU than the MBA) and everything I tried running worked. I'm sure someone will hit problems once a few orders of magnitude more people are using it, but most people won't.
- AnthonyMouse 6y agoThis is a pretty good single thread number. It's essentially the same as Zen 3. On the other hand, it's using 5nm rather than 7nm to get there, so 5nm Ryzen is likely to pull ahead in the not too distant future. The more interesting thing is the power efficiency, which doesn't have that much impact on single thread performance because higher power CPUs don't actually use their entire power budget for a single thread. But that's an impressive multi-threaded score for that TDP. It gets stomped by actual desktop CPUs for the obvious reason, but it has better multi-threaded performance than anything with the same TDP. Though that's also partially because the low-TDP Zen 3 CPUs aren't out yet. What I'd really like to see is some benchmarks that aren't geekbench.
- sys_64738 6y agoAre these benchmarks run for long enough to allow throttling the CPU to be considered?
- throwaway888abc 6y agoDell Inc. XPS 15 9575 vs MacBookAir10,1 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4654605?baseline=4651056 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4654605?baselin... Opinion: Pretty and impressive story
- adamnemecek 6y agoThe MacBook has 8 cores vs 4 (hyperthreaded) in the Dell.
- nkirsch 6y agoM1 doubled it on single core performance.
- abc_lisper 6y agoSingle core scores are indicative too
- raverbashing 6y agoNot really. It's 8 big/small cores, so only 4 are "fast" ones Which makes it even more impressive.
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- prawn 6y agoNot sure if this is in any way a useful comparison, but it's what I currently use and am looking to replace: Mid-2015 15" MacBook Pro vs MacBookAir10,1 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4643216?baseline=4648107 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4643216?baselin...
- bocklund 6y agoThis is definitely compelling. I’m still going to try holding out until the Apple Silicon 16”, but my computer is more and more reminding me how long ago 2015 was.
- ip26 6y agoIf the M1 mops the floor with everything else, why didn't they put it in the high-end 16-inch MBP too?
- grecy 6y agoI think we have to assume something else is coming. Certainly something that supports >16GB of RAM, and something that has more I/O. While we're there we may as well a bunch more cores...
- bredren 6y agoIt also needs a proper application for marketing. Something “previously not possible on a portable” specific to Apple’s other strengths.
- grecy 6y agoPortable? I guess they will put something 'bigger' than M1 in the new 16" MBP, but what I'm really interested in is what they put into the new iMac Pro and eventually Mac Pro.
- redisman 6y agoThat must be it. They’re building a few bigger SoC’s
- mholm 6y agoIt does by performance, but RAM and IO are still very constrained (1 external display on laptops, max 16GB RAM) We'll see. If they replaced all products with an M1 version, they're diluting their pro brand, then un-diluting it when they figure out the pro features?
- ab-dm 6y agoMy 15" MBP (2019, 2.4 Ghz, 32 Gb, 560x 4 Gb) is probably the most disappointing machine I've ever owned. The keyboard is meh, the battery isn't great and it's no where near as performant or efficient as it should be for the price. My 5.7k AUD laptop shouldn't sound like it's taking off to Mars because Firefox with a few tabs has been open too long. Heaven forbid I try and compile or transpile anything. These types of results make me hopeful for the future of Apple hardware. I've always been a huge fan of OSX, but I was pretty sure this MBP would be the last Apple laptop I would buy. Looking forward to being wrong.
- gaul 6y agoMacBook Air with M1 vs. XPS 13 with Tiger Lake i7-1165G7: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4306696?baseline=4648107 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4306696?baselin... Single core similar and multicore 50% better for MacBook.
- johnsolo1701 6y agoAnd the Dell is $500 more
- stu2b50 6y agoTo think I lived to see the day when you buy a macbook for value
- acdha 6y agoIf you were alive a decade ago, you already have. When the SSD transition started the MacBook Air was a surprisingly good value with a better quality SSD than almost any of the PC options at any price (integrated controller versus the overhead of a separate chip) and most of the sub-$1k competition had spinning metal.
- speedgoose 6y agoMeanwhile they kept spinning metal on the iMac for a decade.
- Existenceblinks 6y agoI am an anti-fanboy, not buying apple for the last 6 years, but couldn't resist its value now. Sounds like a good time. Buying M1 today is quite a good timing strategy guesstimating M2(or whatever name) with 32GB+ will come in next 2 years or so.
- guax 6y agoWait for real world reviews, the indications here are that apple will catch up and be a good price/performance if not better but the jury is still out.
- uniclaude 6y agoIn this day and age of Electron apps, I would say that RAM matters as much or more than CPU performance but seeing these results competes the story. M1 is good and has the potential to power pro laptops.
- anonfunction 6y agoI agree, I would have probably bought the pro if it had a 32GB option.
- kondro 6y agoWith the storage IO right on the SoC I can imagine swapping to feel especially snappy as well. Although it's worth remembering the m1 is just Apple's CPU for their low-end machines. They haven't announced their high-end 13" & 16" MacBook Pro, iMac and Mac Pros. Also, I know Electron has a history of high-memory, but right now my Slack client is currently running at 500MB and my VS Code windows (3 projects) at < 1.5GB. And even though my current MBP16 is spec'd at 64GB RAM, I don't think 16GB would probably feel all that slow these days.
- bpye 6y agoI have seen an interesting point raised elsewhere. macOS on ARM will be able to run iOS apps (assuming the author doesn’t opt out). That means that a lot of the uses of electron or similar may no longer be needed. Slack, Spotify, etc. Some of course will still be electron, there’s no native version of VS Code for instance. But it could work out better than expected...
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- musicale 6y agoKind of remarkable for a laptop without a fan. (Infamous fan-hater Steve Jobs would be proud.) Power/thermal management looks very good - low heat and long battery life without sacrificing performance. Presumably the Air will have to throttle performance for some workloads, but not in this benchmark apparently.
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoWas Steve Jobs an infamous fan-hater? What did he do/say?
- wmf 6y agoYes, Apple IIs and early Macs had no fans because Jobs wanted them to be silent.
- kzrdude 6y agoHe was right in many of his extreme tastes, a fanless computer is so much nicer to work with. Many laptops are silent for common tasks now.
- taejavu 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_III#Design_flaws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_III#Design_flaws
- kristofferR 6y agoYeah, he wasn't a fan.
- foobarbazetc 6y agoIt’s one run and it runs for a couple of minutes, so it’s not going to tell you much about thermal management.
- darkhorse13 6y agoIt is honestly crazy how many times Jobs was able to force his personal choices into the designs of Apple products, and then force the entire industry to follow suite thanks to the influence of Apple. And I am not even mad, he was correct (in hindsight) multiple times - styluses, Flash, and so on. Even in death, he may be proven right about his dislike of fans.
- nostromo 6y agoSo... I'd be feeling pretty silly right now if I bought the Mac Pro in 2019 for like $7,000. (Which I almost did!) https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/457 https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/457 M1 is comparable to baseline Mac Pro on multicore performance and better on single core performance. And several thousand dollars cheaper (and smaller).
- kube-system 6y agoThere's still a lot to be said for software support, IO, RAM, etc.
- musicale 6y agoYeah, the Mac Pro supports up to 1.5TB of DRAM (vs. 16GB), it's got a bunch of slots and discrete GPUs, and it can run Windows and Windows VMs. I hope it doesn't end up as an orphan system like the 2013 "trash can" Mac Pro, which was an interesting system that got zero upgrades. Perhaps Apple will offer Apple Silicon upgrades to Mac Pro buyers. Assuming they can build it (and they have implied that they can scale their silicon designs up in terms of cores, power, and clock rate), an Apple Silicon Mac Pro will be a pretty interesting machine. If they wanted to, Apple could even bring back an Apple Silicon powered Xserve, or the legendary, mythical, modular desktop Mac (I know, now we're in the realm of pure fantasy, but one can dream.)
- kube-system 6y ago> Apple could even bring back an Apple Silicon powered Xserve Given their performance/watt, this sounds like it could be potentially game changing.
- joshspankit 6y agoI don’t know if the wider audiences would invest heavily enough in servers given Apple’s graveyard of products in that space.
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- cactus2093 6y agoThis idea of “actual professionals” that always comes up in response to apple’s “Pro” moniker amuses me to no end. Everybody throws the term around and no two people have the same definition! What in the world is an actual professional? There are professional journalists that just need a browser and text editor. There are professional programmers working on huge code bases in compiled languages that do need a beefy machine, and there are professional programmers that just need a dumb terminal to ssh into a dev machine in the cloud. And then of course what the largest subset of people seem to mean is professional video editors or content creators. What percent of the working population are video editors? Some tiny fraction, how did that become the default type of professional in the context of talking about computers? And then a lot of things that people also complain about like how replacing the wider variety of ports with usb c or thunderbolt is contradictory on a “professional” machine also don’t really make sense. Professionals can use dongles like anyone else. In fact many professionals will have more specific needs that require a single a way, for instance having a builtin sd card reader doesn’t help a professional photographer using cfexpress cards.
- xenihn 6y agoi spend 1/3 of my workday waiting for xcode to build
- alasdair_ 6y agoI’ll take a stab at the problem: an “actual professional” in this context is someone who makes their money by using the computer.
- stu2b50 6y agoThat does include practically every white collar occupation at this point.
- throwaheyy 6y agoI’d extend it to mean someone for whom the non-pro model is less sufficient (for example, they are using dev tools or video editing as opposed to Excel, Word and email).
- oojuliuso 6y ago~3.1GHz base clock on the M1. About time!
- mdorazio 6y agoReally impressive. I was skeptical from just the Apple-released info, but it seems like ditching x86 for ARM really does mean that much performance increase per watt. I'm excited to see how this plays out in both the processor and OS space over the next few years.
- maxpert 6y agoWould love to see it compared against surface books
- lostlogin 6y agoAssuming I’m reading it right, it isn’t in the ballpark. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=&q=Surface https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=&q=Surface
- kube-system 6y agoThis must have been enough to convince people to buy out the first shipment. Apple.com was showing me an 11/17 estimated arrival at checkout. Now it's showing 11/27-12/4.
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- ACow_Adonis 6y agoReposting from other thread: So can anyone comment on how we should interpret these benchmarks: a) Across the various Mac models (i.e. why buy a pro vs the air vs the mini). If they all benchmark the same, what am I paying the difference for? b) The M1 chip vs a ryzen desktop (naively interpreting this its punching up near a 5950X, which seems TGTBT?). How do these chips compare against the larger TDP competitors if portability and batteries aren't an issue? b2) Compared to the AMD mobile chips? (i don't have much insight into these) c) someone else on here posted a Tiger-lake intel chip benchmark beating the M1. Now that makes even less sense to me now, because now there's an intel mobile chip beating the top of the line Ryzen desktop? Help out an honestly confused individual.
- dnh44 6y agoI think those number are peak performance and not necessarily sustained performance, but I don’t know enough about geekbench to be 100% sure. The pro and the mini have fans so they should be able to maintain these speeds for longer than the air which will presumably have to throttle down as it heats up.
- martinald 6y agoWhat's actually more interesting to me than Intel vs ARM is how much further ahead Apple is vs the competition. The snapdragon 8cx is about 1/3rd the speed in both Single and Multicore performance of the M1. How is Apple so far ahead even with the same instruction set?
- macawfish 6y agoProbably has something to do with the 5nm process.
- wmf 6y agoQualcomm and Samsung have access to 5nm.
- macawfish 6y agoI did some more research after commenting and found that while surely the 5nm transistors help this processor to run cool and stable, it's the packaging that really brings the speed. Everything being integrated right there means less latency, which likely means less need for caching, less stuff stuck waiting in RAM, etc. I'm not a fan of Apple's domineering business strategies, but this SoC is impressive. I have to imagine AMD and Intel will follow up with something similar (a tightly integrated SoC aimed at higher performance applications).
- PopePompus 6y agoHow certain can one be that the M1 uses nothing but the ARM instruction set? They certainly aren't advertising it as ARM. They aren't selling it to other OEMs. One way to really put the kabash on Hackintoshes would be to make Mac OS use nonstandard instructions. What's to keep them from adding instructions?
- saagarjha 6y agoNothing, and the chip does have a handful of proprietary instructions. But for the most part it's just standard ARMv8.5, which you can see because it runs ARM binaries generated using a standard compiler toolchain.
- userbinator 6y agoI wonder what Linus thinks of Geekbench's accuracy now: https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=136526&curpostid=136666 https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=136526&curpost... https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=185109&curpostid=185132 https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=185109&curpost... Personally I'm not convinced, until I see something like SPECint/SPECfp results.
- theluketaylor 6y agoanandtech has specint numbers for the A14, which should serve as the floor for M1 performance. M1 will (likely) clock higher, has more cores and sustain thermals longer. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-deep-dive/4 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-de... I’m also interested in seeing what M1 can do once people get their hands on real hardware running on Mac OS where so many more details can’t be hidden like in iOS, but all signs point to it being an absolute monster.
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- saagarjha 6y ago> We've seen this before: cellphones tend to have simpler libraries that are statically linked, and at least iOS uses a page size that would not be relevant or realistic on a general purpose desktop setup. This is an interesting thing to say considering that 1. most apps on iOS use large dynamic libraries and 2. Apple silicon Macs run on 16K pages, just like iOS.
- justincormack 6y agoThe M1 runs with 4k pages, unlike the iPhone chips.
- saagarjha 6y agoI believe that is only for Rosetta, and A14 shares the capability but does not use it.
- jp0d 6y agoI wonder how they compare the machine learning performance of the integrated GPU. Does anyone know if any of the ML libraries support the new architecture? AFAIK most libraries don't support anything other than nVidia. Any tests on training models? Or is it mostly inference?
- fouc 6y ago> Update: There's also a benchmark for the 13-inch MacBook Pro with M1 chip and 16GB RAM that has a single-core score of 1714 and a multi-core score of 6802. It doesn't make much sense for the Macbook Pro to have a lower score than the Macbook Air.
- JumpCrisscross 6y agoI noticed that too. But it’s one score for the Pro versus four for the Air. Assuming it is sampling error?
- brundolf 6y agoIt's also possible that the fan comes into play more with a sustained load. I believe their clocks are the same, but I'm sure the Air has to start throttling at a certain point once it gets hot.
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- randmsie 6y agoIsnt the chip the exact sane in these devices? The air scores are probably going to tank massively when thenal throttling kicks in. There should be a decent performance gap between these machines then
- crudbug 6y agoHow much that on-die memory impact these scores ?
- yowlingcat 6y agoMan. Obligatory old person remark, but seeing this kind of a quantum leap in performance per watt makes me feel young and tingly all over again. If M1 makes SIMD suck less, there are downstream effects. It's true if that were /entirely/ the case, Radeon would have stolen the crown from NVidia years ago. But this is different. There's the convenience factor here. How far does M1 have to go before commodity DL training is feasible on commodity compute, not just GPU?
- etaioinshrdlu 6y agoI wonder if this is good enough that nobody will complain about x86 emulation performance. Although Apple will likely remove x86 emulation support in the OS in about 5 years.
- DisjointedHunt 6y agoSo on a cutting edge process, Apple Silicon is ~5-10% faster than the AMD offering. Interesting times.
- werber 6y agoShould I sell my 2020 intel air and upgrade?
- samatman 6y agoAir to Air seems like a no-brainer from where I'm sitting. Maybe give it a couple months to see if some obvious issue surfaces.
- mekster 6y agoThe bigger question is, will Windows also shift to ARM now that raw machine performance is miles behind Mac on similar pricing/weight/battery/loudness. Last time I read, Windows ARM version isn't ready for everyone yet not to mention there's no transition kit at all for everyone to move. Why would anyone use Windows anymore unless your infra site needs IE?
- stu2b50 6y agoWell, yes. Microsoft has already announced they're working on an x86-64 to ARM emulator (i.e Rosetta 2 equivalent)[1] and they have partnered with Qualcomm to make ARM CPUs for their surface line up[2] [1] https://www.extremetech.com/computing/315733-64-bit-x86-emulation-officially-coming-to-windows-on-arm https://www.extremetech.com/computing/315733-64-bit-x86-emul... [2] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-pro-x/processor https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-pro...
- markus_zhang 6y agoWindows has tons of stuffs Macs don't have. Unless you are speaking about development machines.
- watersb 6y agoI am probably going to get one. How much thermal paste are they planning to use on these things?
- lofties 6y agoThe thermal paste is there only to improve heat transfer between two imperfect surfaces. The real question is what the heatsink on these puppies will look like.
- lowbloodsugar 6y agoDespite my grumbling at the lack of ram on the MBP, I might just have to buy the Air in honour of my 1988 Archimedes.
- thombles 6y agoAre there any manufacturers working on similar high-performance-per-watt CPUs for PC, i.e. Win10 on ARM? I know that ARM servers are a thing but it all seems very quiet on the laptop/desktop front.
- kube-system 6y agoYes. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-pro-x/processor https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-pro... But Apple absolutely dominates: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4648107?baseline=4648566 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4648107?baselin...
- faitswulff 6y agoThis really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.
- silly-silly 6y agoIts not though, The 16 inch has known performance bottlenecks on both thermal and power draw.
- Diesel555 6y agoSource please? Honestly curious, on one now.
- gjsman-1000 6y agoThat's disputed. But when they get around to updating that 16-inch next year, holy smokes.
- arthurcolle 6y agoTell me more, I'm dying to go to the Apple Store and get this replaced.
- silly-silly 6y agoStart adobe premier, any significantly complex scene and render it. The system will throttle down to 1.2ghz, sometimes even 1 ghz . I'm testing on is the 2019 core i9 2.3 ghz. Apple "Genius" bar tells me this is expected, no replacement in warranty. Maybe the 2020 is better, but after getting this as an answer I wont be buying another apple macbook. The prior 2018 Core i9 Apple MacBook Pro had previous issues with insufficient power supply to the CPU core (this might be fixed, but I can't even sustain it due to thermal throttling, so I can't really tell).
- gazelleeatslion 6y agoSo performant premium that I’m thinking of calling Apple about my MBP preorder and switching it to the Air. Last thing I need is a MacBook Air equivalent with an unnecessarily loud and annoying fan.
- mraza007 6y agoLooks like I’m getting a new Macbook air instead of MacBook Pro
- boromi 6y agoI'm curious for Windows users what can we hope for from Arm/AMD? It's kind of depressing seeing how well Apple and their ecosystem is coming along. Being able to run apps natively on your laptop sounds amazing. Android and Windows are far away from that level of cohesion. There's Phone Link, but running apps using that is clunky and slow.
- gjsman-1000 6y agoI think there is also a moral angle that disturbs Windows fans to this as well: This is validation that Apple's heavy-handed walled-garden approach can, in fact, work and even sometimes beat an open ecosystem. That's freaky.
- mirthflat83 6y agoNot really. Apple is one of the few companies that invests in this kind of cohesive experience. It didn’t come out of the blue. Doubt Windows does much in this regard given their atrocious UX
- boromi 6y agoIt says something, but for the first time in about a decade, I actually want to get an iPhone and ditch Android. This is coming from someone who used to rock all the Lumia phones. The last straws for me are usb-c and no notch. The next iPhone that has these updates I'll end up purchasing. I'll likley miss the integration of Windows Phone Link, but I can live without that.
- fastball 6y agoNext iPhone probably no charge port at all. I was hoping for USB-C too, but I bought the 12 Pro anyway.
- tonyedgecombe 6y agoA lot of this dates back to the nineties. Companies like Dell, HP and Lenovo were happy to suck on the WinTel teat. Now it has mastitis they are going to suffer.
- VWWHFSfQ 6y ago> Infamous fan-hater Steve Jobs would be proud. Also an anti-vaxxer and eschewed almost all forms of modern medicine. It's why he died needlessly from a very treatable form of cancer. But let's praise him for how much he hated fans.
- vmception 6y agoWell I mean yes, that's what we are doing right now because they are unrelated The fan-less nature is a great design pattern
- russler23 6y agoThose seem unrelated to me? – a pro-vax fan-liker
- davidgould 6y agoBack in the 1980s I used spend a fair amount of work time in rooms with a VAX and can attest to their powerful and noisy fans. If you are a pro with a VAX, you had better be a fan liker.
- ineedasername 6y agoI don't think VAX was the intended meaning in anti-vaxxer.
- taejavu 6y agoIt’s a joke son, it’s a joke
- ineedasername 6y agoI figured, but honestly wasn't sure. And either way, there VAX certainly had its share of anti-VAXers. Personally I never much liked VAX myself, but that was primarily because my first experience of it was with VMS, and I'd previously used Unix. The difference was jarring. Later in my career, I had no choice but to use VMS on an Alpha cluster, and grew to really appreciate it.
- zdw 6y agoAMD's Zen 3 (Ryzen 5xxx series) are beating the Apple M1 in single core score: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore As another datapoint Ian (of Anandtech) estimated that the M1 would need to be clocked at 3.25Ghz to match Zen 3, and these systems are showing a 3.2Ghz clock: https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1326516048309460992 https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1326516048309460992
- gjsman-1000 6y agoOK... but let's say it's 95% there, even. How much power does an M1 draw compared to a 5950X? It's not even funny. And the M1 is running at a lower clock.
- trynewideas 6y agoWe don't know what the M1 draws at load because Apple won't say. It's almost certainly better per watt, which I'd expect because the 5950X (and the 6-core 65W TDP 5600X, which also tops the MBA multi-core Geekbench result) are still desktop processors.
- martinesko36 6y agoPlus, 5950X costs 799$ for the chip alone. (cooler no included)
- gjsman-1000 6y agoI think it was AnandTech, but an analysis suggested that Apple's BOM price for the M1 (which of course excludes R&D costs, software dev costs, profit, it's just the raw manufacturing cost) to be about $64.
- kube-system 6y agoSure, and AMD's is probably similar. The difference being that Apple only sells theirs inside of $1000+ computers, and AMD has to make up the entire margin on their CPU alone. Behold, the power of vertical integration.
- andy_threos_io 6y agoCan somebody explain how is M1 going to work on larger GPU tasks (rendering, encoding etc) with it's memory bandwidth M1 total memory bandwidth is 68.2 GB/s (128 bit LPDDR4x-4267) AMD Radeon Pro 5600m memory bandwidth is 394.2 GB/s (2048 bit HBM2) https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-5600m.c3612 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-5600m.c3612
- gjsman-1000 6y agoIt's not clear, but here's some knowledgeable speculation: - All M1 models only have 1 Thunderbolt Controller, thus can only handle 2 Thunderbolt ports on all announced models so far. - All M1 models only support 1 monitor, but up to 6K. - No M1 model supports >16GB of RAM or 10GB Ethernet. All of the above seem like bandwidth limitations to save cost that a future "M1X" or "M2" or "X1" would be extremely likely to fix, and that's where you'll see the bandwidth increase.
- Steko 6y agoThe Mac Mini supports two monitors one 6K and one 4K. https://www.apple.com/mac-mini/specs/ https://www.apple.com/mac-mini/specs/
- maxyme 6y agoIf you count the display in the macbook that's the same number of screens
- fastball 6y agoSo if the Macbook is closed can you drive two?
- JohnBooty 6y agoTheoretically yes (the M1 Mac Mini supports two external) but it's unknown whether the capability to disable the built in display is actually exposed. You can disable the built in display on (some?) Intel MBPs via `sudo nvram boot-args="niog=1"` according to another poster. Whether this is supported on M1's remains to be seen.
- cybwraith 6y agoAnyone know if linux can be installed on these or has apple gone full lockdown? I'm guessing custom graphics drivers will need to be made...
- ekianjo 6y agoAre Geekbench implementations in X86 and ARM identical to be compared?
- happyweasel 6y agoNobody ever saved a dime by switching to the apple ecosystem. Whatever real innovation lies within this silicon will be available to the normal PC ecosystem in no time.
- valzam 6y agoCries in 6core Ryzen 5 3600... https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4656718 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4656718 The air is basically 50% faster... incredible.
- zanethomas 6y agoGo ahead, buy into that and before long Apple will lock the OS down so tight you will only be able to install software from the app store. Apple, it's been good knowing you, time to move on.
- willio58 6y agoI don’t see Apple going further on this front than what they’ve already done. They don’t want to discourage developers from using their machines because guess who works on MacOS? Developers using Macs.
- zanethomas 6y agoBeen inside an apple store lately? They no longer need to care about developers.
- brundolf 6y agoWhat about this new hardware has anything to do with the App Store?
- vijaybritto 6y agoThat will eventually happen and they will claim 'security'. They'll make it harder to install 3rd party software. Indie devs are going to suffer because of this tight control.
- zanethomas 6y agoExactly. Their revenue model going forward is to have the millions who have passed, and will pass, through the apple stores downloading all apps from the app store. Kaching!
- _ozde 6y agoHow much trouble would I get into if use the new Macbook Pro for software development(i.e. Python, Java, ReactJS)?
- spullara 6y agoI think the thing you have to look at is the velocity of Apple's improvements to see the real story.
- rurban 6y agowhow! fanless with 3.2Ghz base is really good. so now they only have to fix their OS and their keyboard or just revert to the versions from 8 years ago.
- Synaesthesia 6y agoThey said it was faster than 98% of laptops. I think the only thing faster right now is AMD's Zen mobile chips.
- aledalgrande 6y agoThere's still a lot of work to do on these chips, but these benchmarks give hope and I'm curious to see how much more speed Apple can actually squeeze out of the M1 now that they can do full vertical integration with the OS.
- russler23 6y agoImpressive, but pretty unsurprising given the A series. 100 points higher than the A14 is a less than 10% improvement. From Apple’s somewhat uninformative slides, we should expect peak power draw around 15W? The A series draws half that for > 90% monocore performance, so scaling seems on target.
- jwmoz 6y agoCan someone ELI5 why this new M1 chip would be better than decades of Intel's experience?
- username90 6y agoApple pays a lot better and can therefore get the best engineers. Having experience isn't very helpful when the competition can just poach it by paying salaries your organization can't afford.
- jb1991 6y agoWell the M1 is not some "new" and "overnight" phenomenon. Apple has been designing its own ARM chips for iOS for a decade now, and with great success. The iPad Pro's ARM is still faster than at least 90% of all laptops made by any company. Moving that into their desktop/laptop line made a lot of sense and leverages many years of research and production experience.
- rStar 6y agoas a raspberry pi enthusiast what * most* excites me about all of this is, all software has to run on arm going forward.
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- aprdm 6y agoI am confused on the new macbook pro vs macbook air, they have tme same specs, are we simply choosing the form?
- pi-rat 6y agoWe don’t know yet, there could be some binning involved. They could be identical, and the choice is just different thermal envelopes. Active vs passive cooling can make a huge difference for some work loads.
- m_mueller 6y agoCouple one of these with a good USB-C hub and a cloud based Windows 10 VPS, and you have the future of professional workstations. Though, how good are these hubs yet nowadays? I'd want 1x USB-C power, 1x thunderbolt USB-C passthrough, 2x USB-A, 1x HDMI and 1x gbit ethernet in a portable format. maybe throw in SD card and a sound card with separated microphone port, and you'd have pretty much the universal I/O hub.
- spockz 6y agoMaybe one of these hyper hubs are for you: https://www.hypershop.com/collections/usb-c-hubs https://www.hypershop.com/collections/usb-c-hubs
- m_mueller 6y agoThanks! Looks promising.
- john_minsk 6y agoThat's interesting take on it. I guess with 5G around the corner we will see MacBooks with 5G integrated and Remote Desktop won't be a pain in the ass. May be that's another reason Apple made this move.
- p1necone 6y agoThese benchmarks are impressive. The non upgradable ram capping out at 16gb is very disappointing though. I'm hoping the rest of the PC market benefits from this increased market for ARM compatible desktop software. ARM has less of an issue with patent encumbrance and more competition. Desktop CPUs could get a lot cheaper in the future if ARM Windows and ARM Linux get more use as well as Mac. (In case you didn't know, you can run ARM Windows now (sort of unofficially, you'll need to google)! App support is a bit spotty, but it can also run 32 bit x86 apps through a translation layer (why it's limited to 32 bit I don't know, I guess it's easier to do?)) Edit: The Switch is ARM too, so there's a reason for some AAA games to come to the otherwise small market too.(for traditionally Console/PC games, I'm aware mobile gaming is a huge market, it's just not one I find to produce much quality output)
- stevefan1999 6y agoBullshit.
- BMSmnqXAE4yfe1 6y agoLooking at Geekbench charts, I see that my Samsung phone has a faster processor than my $3000 gaming rig, and it sure as hell draws less power ... so why aren't datacenters just use phones instead of Xeon and Epyc servers, what am I missing?
- gre 6y agoCell phone plans cost an arm and a leg!
- akuma73 6y agoNuvia is a startup that is planning to do just that https://nuviainc.com/blog https://nuviainc.com/blog You need to be competitive on single thread performance to have a chance at datacenter. Amdahl's law is still very relevant. Up until very very recently, the CPUs were not up to par.
- BMSmnqXAE4yfe1 6y agoNice charts ... so performance per watt is indeed 10x better for S865 vs the Ryzen.
- Tiberium 6y agoAre you sure that you compared results from the same major Geekbench version? (v4 and v5 have quite different results).
- BMSmnqXAE4yfe1 6y agoI'm just looking at the charts, v5
- dt3ft 6y agoProbably due to overheating. Your phone can do bursts of processing every now and then, but if you let it execute heavy compute operations, the phone would probably overheat and shut itself off.
- willvarfar 6y agoAny thoughts and experience around using the current (slow) Mac Mini as a web and java dev box? And any thoughts and expectations around using the (fast?) M1 Mac Mini for web and java dev? I'm right now getting frustrated with my company's lead times ordering a new HP Zbook laptop. (Its not like I particularly want the Zbook, its just that's what devs get here.) But I'm a remote home worker, and I'm thinking "M1 Mac Mini available next week. Its like 1/3rd cost of a high end laptop and probably outperforms it, and is silent...?"
- jmnicolas 6y agoI don't know what you do with Java, but here Windows 10 + Android studio + an Android emulator consumes around 11GB of ram. So add dozens of tabs open in a couple browsers, maybe a VM or 2 and 16GB or ram is going to be insufficient.
- jillesvangurp 6y agoBeen thinking about this: - openjdk is being ported to the new hardware but it's not there yet. I'm not sure if it works with the emulator; or how well. - if you use anything by Jetbrains, like I do, you'll likely have to wait for them to use that and package up a new release. It's a resource hog as it is and emulation is not going to improve things probably; assuming that works at all. - things like android studio that rely on virtualization for running simulated phones will likely need upgrades too; but since the emulated hardware is arm that should be doable. - things like docker which most server side developers like me won't work until Docker releases an arm version. Then the next problem is going to be that the vast majority of docker images out there are x86. - If you are a web developer and want to test on something else than safari, you'll have to wait or accept worse performance of chrome, firefox, edge, etc. in emulated mode. - pro hardware with >64GB; 16 GB is a non starter for me. I upgraded to that in 2014. I'd frankly want that dedicated to GPU memory in a modern setup. If you are a pro video or graphics user; I imagine those are not strange requirements. If your workflow involves third party tools and plugins that are x86; I'd wait a couple of years before even considering. Long term, this could be great; short term it's going to be rough depending on what you use. - Also nice would be for things like opencl (Darktable) and games to work. I have a few steam games and X-plane. I expect that Steam Mac is going to be once more decimated. With the last release 32 bit games stopped working. Essentially all of the remaining games are x86 only. I look forward to seeing some benchmarks of how these are running under rosetta 2; but I don't get my hopes up. I'm guessing, Apple is looking to unify the IOS and Mac gaming ecosystem instead and is actively working to kill off the PC gaming ecosystem on mac. This will be an app store only kind of deal. Likewise, if they finally make moves in VR, it will be ARM and app store only. So in short, for me it doesn't make sense to upgrade until most of that stuff is covered. None of it is impossible but it's going to take some time. I would be in the market for a 16" x86 mac pro but of course with this transition, long term support for that is very much going to be an afterthought. I might have to finally pull the trigger on a move to Linux.
- mcintyre1994 6y ago> The M1 chip, which belongs to a MacBook Air with 8GB RAM, features a single-core score of 1687 and a multi-core score of 7433. According to the benchmark, the M1 has a 3.2GHz base frequency. > The Mac mini with M1 chip that was benchmarked earned a single-core score of 1682 and a multi-core score of 7067. > Update: There's also a benchmark for the 13-inch MacBook Pro with M1 chip and 16GB RAM that has a single-core score of 1714 and a multi-core score of 6802. Like the MacBook Air , it has a 3.2GHz base frequency. So single core we have: Air 1687, Mini 1682, Pro 1714 And multi core we have: Air 7433, Mini 7067, Pro 6802 I’m not sure what to make of these scores, but it seems wrong that the Mini and Pro significantly underperform the Air in multi core. I find it hard to imagine this benchmark is going to be representative of actual usage given the way the products are positioned, which makes it hard to know how seriously to take the comparisons to other products too. > When compared to existing devices, the M1 chip in the MacBook Air outperforms all iOS devices. For comparison's sake, the iPhone 12 Pro earned a single-core score of 1584 and a multi-core score of 3898, while the highest ranked iOS device on Geekbench's charts, the A14 iPad Air, earned a single-core score of 1585 and a multi-core score of 4647. This seems a bit odd too - the A14 iPad Air outperforms all iPad Pro devices?
- chandler5555 6y agothe latest ipad pro is still on the A12Z bionic. the air just got refreshed with the A14 bionic
- pvg 6y agoThe A14 Air just came out and has a brand new CPU. The Pros have much fancier displays, lower pen latency, etc. Subjectively, in most typical use, the Pros already feel like they have more available cycles than iOS apps have got around to soaking up.
- mzl 6y agoThis is about the new line of Macs and the M1 chip in them, not iPads
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- GrayShade 6y agoIs Geekbench that trustworthy? I always see them saying that new iPad CPUs are faster that the latest x86 desktop ones, but they are different architectures so I'm not sure the scores are comparable.
- MrBuddyCasino 6y ago2019: "I'll build a Hackintosh, its cheaper & faster" 2020: "I'll build a Hackintosh, its slightly cheaper"
- throwaway4good 6y agoThey are going to sell these things like cup cakes ... why buy a pc laptop when these are around?
- Jonnax 6y agoBecause they're expensive and the best selling laptops are half the price?
- gabereiser 6y agoYou’re right... these M1 MacBooks ARE half the price of a high end pc laptop AND are 4x-12x the performance. :D
- gabereiser 6y agoBenchmarks came in and I stared at an older 2013 MBP 15” and decided, “Yup! Time to upgrade”. Tons of others at my work are looking at these with drool coming from their mouths. 2020+ is going to be the decade of extreme-computing on ARM I guess.
- HugThem 6y agoBecause pc laptops can run Linux.
- carlsborg 6y agoThe Jim Keller effect. He was involved in architecting both Ryzen and this.
- arvinsim 6y agoAre we moving into a world where OS venders will try to do vertical software and hardware integrations? Because it seems that only Apple is doing it and it is paying off.
- 0x008 6y ago*back into a world
- altmind 6y agoThere're questions about both QB4 and QB5 results not being comparable across different architectures and operating systems. This should be discussed more.
- codecamper 6y agoIsn't max 16GB ram a downer?
- jb1991 6y agoFor the target audience of the Air and the 13" MBP, no, it is not a downer. These are not flagship machines (despite that they are performing well against existing flagships).
- saos 6y agoOh wow
- ceronman 6y agoI'm super impressed by those M1 CPUs. But it's so sad that the only way to get them is buying one of the few Apple options. I wish that Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm et al catch up quickly. We really want competition in this field.
- marvel_boy 6y agoRIP Intel/AMD.
- cyrksoft 6y agoI think nobody commented this, but Apple has just made the Mac lineup unrepairable. They will need to have a really high, almost perfect quality control.
- M4v3R 6y agoNothing they did this week made it more unrepairable that it already was. Newest Macbooks already had CPUs and memory soldered in to the motherboard for quite some time. And this doesn't make them unrepairable because most of the motherboard issues don't come from a faulty CPU or memory, but from corrosion/other kind of damage on the smaller discrete elements like resistors, capacitors or smaller chips, which can easily be replaced if you know what you're doing. It's not something that you can do at home without equipment, but there are a lot of repair shops that can repair even the newest Macbooks with high success rate.
- cyrksoft 6y ago> but there are a lot of repair shops that can repair even the newest Macbooks with high success rate. That is my point. Now EVERYTHIN is in the M1 chip. Nobody will be able to fix it, not even Apple.
- mxxx 6y agoThey barely fix anything on current gen hardware already. Pretty much any failure will result in them replacing the entire logic board. Seems to have been part of their business model for years now.
- andy_ppp 6y agoDoes anyone know how fast the unified memory is? Is on package is likely to mitigate some of the lack of cache?
- cfstras 6y agoSince the 10,1 is not selling yet, where are these numbers coming from? Are Apple employees publishing benchmarks? Or are randos on the internet just uploading fake numbers?
- arn 6y agoReview units
- nathan_f77 6y agoThis is amazing! My wife just got a new MacBook Air delivered a few days. The courier is coming to pick it up tomorrow morning and we'll be getting a full refund, and looking forward to ordering the M1 version.
- HacklesRaised 6y agoI think I'll wait until some real world testing can provide definitive results. I would be very happy if these results translate, I just don't believe they Intel and AMD engineers are so inferior to Apples that Apple could pull this off with a known CPU architecture without some smoke and mirrors.
- Tepix 6y agoOne interested little side aspect of Apple Silicon and Apple's war against Epic Games is going to be Unreal Engine. I can see Unreal Engine not being available for Apple Silicon for quite a while. During the presentation of the new notebooks, Apple showed quite a bit of gaming. If there are no Unreal Engine titles for Apple Silicon, this could hurt them.
- propelol 6y agoThe case between Apple and Epic Games is about the app store on iOS. Epic can sell games without having to give Apple 30% on Mac OS. I doubt the investors is on board boycotting Apple as a whole.
- ojosilva 6y agoWhat are current viable alternatives to the M1 MacBook (Air and Pro) laptops in the PC world? I'm looking for those 2% computers "in the same class" (from the apple keynote 2 days ago) that are faster than these M1 laptops. From the looks of it they surpass their Apple store siblings, but how about x86 PC laptops? I'm currently shopping for my next dev machine, in the lighter side of the form-factor. I've seen some name-dropping here and in other threads, like HP Zbook and Lenovo, but I'm completely out of the loop since I moved to a fully specced i7 2014 Macbook Air back in the day and.
- Tepix 6y agoThe ASUS ROG Zephyrus G15 GA502IV-AZ115 is likely to be faster. It is cheaper than the Macbook Air M1 with 16GB/512GB, too (in Germany: 1465€ vs 1588€). It has an AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS CPU and a RTX 2060 Max-Q GPU.
- ojosilva 6y agoBut that's a gaming laptop. Macbook Air is a "notebook" laptop, aka "ultraportable". Also the G15 Geekbench 5 is 1100 for single core, which is like 35% slower than the single core performance of the M1. Obviously for gaming benchmarks, then that's a different story... I'm starting to wonder if Apple's "faster than 98% of PC laptops" is an understatement, at least within its class.
- jbverschoor 6y agoAlso the resolution of the screen is a totally different beast.
- Joeri 6y agoFor top performance you're looking at high end intel H series laptops (https://www.ultrabookreview.com/20056-core-i9-portable-laptops/ https://www.ultrabookreview.com/20056-core-i9-portable-lapto...) or Ryzen 4000 H series laptops (https://www.ultrabookreview.com/36004-amd-ryzen-7-4800h-laptops/ https://www.ultrabookreview.com/36004-amd-ryzen-7-4800h-lapt...). They seem to basically match the M1's benchmarks though, not exceed it. You will not find anything as thin and light as a macbook air with that performance in the x86 line-up, as those CPU's are power-hungry beasts that necessitate big battery and cooling setups.
- timvisee 6y agoNow show some non-synthetic benchmarks
- amelius 6y agoWhy do they call it Apple Silicon, when the core of the chip was designed by ARM and it was fabbed by TSMC? Can't any other customer of ARM do the same thing, in principle?
- ben-schaaf 6y agoApple aren't using ARM's core designs, they're just licensing the architecture.
- amelius 6y agoAre you sure about that? I didn't see this mentioned anywhere in the news, or on the M1 Wikipedia page.
- ben-schaaf 6y agoConsidering their A12 chip is designed by them I think it's safe to say the M1 is too. Not only that it states in the first sentence on Wikipedia that the M1 is designed by Apple.
- cutler 6y agoSo we should be seeing some serious discounts on 13" Intel Macbook Pros soon. Any estimates on the May 2020 models once the market responds?
- kar1181 6y agoBut can it run Crysis?!
- akrymski 6y agoA matter of time until Apple releases a ChromeBook competitor - a cheap plastic laptop for schools/students, similar in spirit to the iPhone SE, perhaps running on A14 instead of M1, and a 12" screen. This would be great for marketshare gains and to get more young people into the Apple ecosystem. Perhaps something that looks like the polycarbonate MacBook introduced in 2006?
- ekr 6y agoThere were talks of splitting Google and other huge companies due to their size (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/house-amazon-facebook-apple-google-have-monopoly-power-should-be-split/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/house-amazon-fac...). Wouldn't it be awesome if Apple's CPU/IC design segment became a separate company and sold these CPUs and maybe SoC by themselves? I think that would make a big dent into AMD/Intel market shares. Since Apple's part/die should be quite a bit smaller than most of the x86 dies, the fab costs should also be smaller and so should the final price.
- leadingthenet 6y agoNo, it wouldn't be awesome. This thing ONLY EXISTS in the first place because of Apple's continual vertical integration push, and because other parts of the business were able to massively subsidise the R&D costs necessary to come up with a competitive SOC in an established market that's otherwise a duopoly. If their CPU/IC design segment were its own company, the M1 would never have seen the light of day. Period. Furthermore, this chip is not meant to be a retail product. It's optimised for the exact requirements that Apple's products have. The whole reason why they're able to beat Intel/AMD is because they don't have to cater to the exact same generic market that the established players do, but instead massively optimise for their exact needs. I genuinely don't understand how can anyone who wishes to break up Apple not see that these things?
- 46Bit 6y ago> This thing ONLY EXISTS in the first place because of Apple's continual vertical integration push This seems pretty grounded. > The whole reason why they're able to beat Intel/AMD is because they don't have to cater to the exact same generic market that the established players do, but instead massively optimise for their exact needs. I'm less convinced of this. Their exact needs seem to be making laptops... and so these chips would make interesting candidates for other laptops, if split off from Apple. It's never going to happen, and an independent company might struggle for R&D money, but if these prove to be better laptop CPUs there is a market there.
- beefcake 6y agoIn browsing the web wirelessly! What about running docker, kubernetes, brew install?
- Dahoon 6y agoI can't believe HNers believe sales pitch benchmarks.
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- diebeforei485 6y agoUnless you happen to need a new MacBook right now, I think the right move for most people is to hang on to their existing MacBook another year or two (get a battery replacement if necessary). A future MacBook with an M2 chip will be an even better buy, and software availability will be even better.
- rem1313 6y agoThere will be always something better next year. The general advice I give is - wait as long as you can before you buy and then buy the best version you can afford.
- diebeforei485 6y agoNot all annual improvements are equal. The current M1 laptops have some real disadvantages- old industrial design, only two Thunderbolt ports, limited RAM, and limited software support for many apps. There are real compromises to switching to an M1 device as your main machine right now (unless you also have a separate x86 device). MacBooks are due for a new industrial design, so it makes sense to wait. If you absolutely need a new computer, that's a tricky place to be right now.
- satysin 6y agoThis is very interesting and in line with Apple's claims. I am looking forward to some real world numbers for different tasks in the next few weeks and months as native apps become available. Jonathan Morrison posted a video [0] comparing a 10-core Intel i9 2020 5K iMac with 64GB RAM against an iPhone 12 Mini for 10-bit H.265 HDR video exporting and the iPhone destroyed the iMac exporting the same video, to allegedly the same quality, in ~14 seconds on the iPhone vs 2 minutes on the iMac! And the phone was at ~20% battery without an external power source. Like that is some voodoo and I want to see a lot of real world data but it is pretty damn exciting. Now whether these extreme speed ups are limited to very specific tasks (such as H.265 acceleration) or are truly general purpose remains to be seen. If they can be general purpose with some platform specific optimisations that is still freakin' amazing and could easily be a game changer for many types of work providing there is investment into optimising the tools to best utilise Apple Silicon. Imagine an Apple Silicon specific version of Apple's LLVM/Clang that has 5x or 10x C++ compilation speed up over Intel if there is a way to optimise to similar gains they have been able to get for H.265. Some very interesting things come to mind and that is before we even get to the supposed battery life benefits as well. Having a laptop that runs faster than my 200+W desktop while getting 15+ hours on battery sounds insane, and perhaps it is, but this is the most excited I have been for general purpose computer performance gains in about a decade. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUkDku_Qt5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUkDku_Qt5c Edit: A lot of people seem to just be picking up on my H.265 example which is fine but that was just an example for one type of work. As this article shows the overall single-core and multi-core speeds are the real story, not just H.265 video encoding. If these numbers hold true in the real world and not just a screenshot of some benchmark numbers that is something special imho.
- joefourier 6y agoYour h265 example is due to the iPhone having a dedicated HW encoder while the iMac was rendering using the CPU. A hardware video encoder is almost always going to be faster and more power efficient than a CPU-based one by definition. However, a CPU encoder offers more flexibility and the possibility of being continually improved to offer better compression ratios. Generally, HW encoders offer worse quality at smaller fie sizes and are used for real-time streaming, while CPU-based ones are used in offline compression in order to achieve the best possible compression ratios.
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- X86IpodInsame 6y agoHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........................
- woko 6y ago> I still feel that neural networks and genetic algorithms are far underused methods of solving problems. (Especially the latter, which don’t require training.) Funny how he is more ambitious about genetic algorithms.
- cosmiccatnap 6y agoOf course it does, but does it outperform a compatible pc laptop is the question.
- burlesona 6y agoI see a lot of people debating the finer details of benchmarks and trying to argue whether or not Intel or AMD are still ahead. But consider: 1. Apple just introduced their “starter” chip for everyday consumers. They would not WANT that chip to smoke their top-end Intel Macs, as it would cannibalize margins until the more powerful chips are ready. 2. This is a “two year transition,” with a team that has been shipping a meaningfully better chip every 12 months for about a decade. From those two observations, I would expect that we’ll see an M1x or M2 chip in the next 12 months which nudges the 16”MBP to 20% or so better than what we’re seeing today, and 12 months after that the transition is completed with the introduction of the M3 series, where there’s an M3, M3x, and M3z for the low, mid, and max performance machines. And when that happens, I expect the max-performance M3z is going to smoke anything else on the market. This is not the first time Apple has had a “five-year lead” on the industry, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes Intel and AMD some time to catch up. And frankly we should all be thrilled about that, because more competition and innovation is just going to accelerate our entire field. I can’t wait to see all the new stuff this will power over the next decade :)
- offtop5 6y agoForgive my ignorance, but is it possible that the various decades of legacy code which hold up the x64 instruction set were simply bogging it down. I just ordered the new silicon MacBook Pro and I fully expect to record a full album on it using Logic X. As presumably Apple rewrote it from the ground up for the silicone, I expect to be absolutely blown away.
- lmilcin 6y agoIf you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Not only can't they compete with AMD, Apple now started running circles around them all. I wonder what the world is going to be like when companies own entire stack including all hardware (even things like cameras and displays) and applications (including app stores). There is going to be no competition as any new player would have to first join an existing stack that keeps tight grip and ensures competition is killed off before gaining momentum. So, basically, dystopian future with whole world divided into company territories.
- sz4kerto 6y agoThe industry is not moving _this fast_. Intel still has many-many opportunities (and years) to catch up. > If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. The market already has the information you have, so it is unlikely that your evaluation of Intel's expected future profits is significantly better/more insightful that others'.
- typon 6y ago> The market already has the information you have, so it is unlikely that your evaluation of Intel's expected future profits is significantly better/more insightful that others' This is religion
- sz4kerto 6y agoI am not saying the market is perfect, etc., just that looking at benchmarks and deciding that the stock must be overvalued because the benchmarks don't look good is an oversimplification.
- selectodude 6y ago"According to the analysts at Geekbench, Intel is doomed."
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- ajharrison 6y agoB-b-but it only has 16gb of base RAM!!11
- dcchambers 6y agoIt's funny - x86 has been the king of computing for basically my entire life, and we're finally seeing that change. This is kind of like a throwback to the early days of innovation in the CPU space, before everything ran on the same ISA. I'm both nervous and excited. Excited because x86 has been stagnant for years. I'm not an EE but my understanding is that its a pretty messy architecture with lots of "glue and duct-tape" fixes. Nervous because, although x86 had flaws, since pretty much everything ran on it allowed for more open environments and development practices & fewer walled gardens.
- SubjectToChange 6y agox86 is an extremely messy ISA, but what about it has been stagnant? New instructions are pretty much every year.
- dcchambers 6y agoI guess I shouldn't say that development on it has been stagnant - certainly engineers at Intel and AMD must be doing something - but performance improvements have stagnated, especially compared to the rapid improvements we're seeing from Apple in the ARM space. I am not at all an expert in this field so my remarks are based on my own observations and performance benchmarks from experts in the industry. For example, this graph from Anandtech shows the stagnation (or at least slow improvements) in x86 performance gains while performance gains from Apple have been massive. https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16226/perf-trajectory.png https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16226/perf-trajectory.png
- xwdv 6y agoI'm still in denial. I feel like there's just no way it's possible without huge compromises.
- slayerjain 6y agoIf the graphics performance also get good boosts, mac minis could become a more versatile playstation/xbox alternative! Assuming the games are there of-course.
- madenine 6y agoIs there a common linear algebra benchmark? Would love to see a non-Intel chip + OpenBLAS beating out Intel + MKL
- kccqzy 6y agoWhy would you use OpenBLAS rather than Apple's Accelerate.framework? Since you're already using the Intel MKL, the only fair comparison is Accelerate.framework.
- moelf 6y agohttps://github.com/numpy/numpy/blob/master/doc/release/upcoming_changes/15759.improvement.rst https://github.com/numpy/numpy/blob/master/doc/release/upcom...
- togs 6y agoConfirmed. Apple chips are the future of gaming!
- dang 6y agoAll: there are multiple pages of comments; if you're curious to read them, click More at the bottom of the page, or like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25065026&p=2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25065026&p=2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25065026&p=3 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25065026&p=3 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25065026&p=4 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25065026&p=4
- herf 6y agoI am wondering if M1 is winning many of these due to main memory latency? I think Geekbench 4 reported memory latency, but it's not in v5. Does anyone know of a benchmark of this directly?
- S_A_P 6y agoIve an iMac Pro from 2018, and thought it would be interesting to compare my Geekbench scores. Single thread: 1015 Multi thread: 7508 M1 is far ahead of the 3.2Ghz Xeon in my machine single threaded and I suppose having double the cores(vs M1 Hi-po cores) helped me in that respect. The fact that I paid 5 grand vs a ~1500 dollar portable is not lost on me here...
- soheil 6y agoCould it be that a batch of CPUs that should have had subpar performance ended up having good performance due to luck?
- mkaic 6y agoI think the really cool thing is that this would theoretically rank the M1 as #1 on the Geekbench Single Core leaderboard, above both AMD and Intel's latest offerings!
- randycupertino 6y agoDang, you do a very nice job of moderating here. Light touch approach, helpful guidance and enforcement when needed. Just wanted to let you know it's appreciated!
- seehafer 6y agoMr. Gackle is in large part what has kept HN from degrading into just another Internet forum.
- FriendlyNormie 6y ago“Mr. Gackle”? Seriously? Is the nauseating sycophancy really necessary? You’re really trying this hard to compose a totally contrived suck-up comment? Why? Do you think he likes it when people like you act this way? Do you have any self-awareness at all? Do you realize how you come across to him and to everyone else when you act like this?
- AshamedCaptain 6y agoTo be honest, I think that these comments evidence a failure of the HN website UI. Wouldn't it be easier to just create standard pagination links at the top of the comments page, rather than manually forcing a mod to post this "list of pages" comment on each and every article?
- als0 6y agoHmm I wonder if dang's message might already be automated rather than manual?
- mrgordon 6y agoYes similarly I’ve started to notice that other users never notice I’ve replied to their comments since there are no notifications. A bit sad since sometimes quite a bit of effort is put into the replies.
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- bnolsen 6y agoconsidering the intel macs spend their whole lives thermally throttled, i'm not suprised by the numbers.