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So for those that don't know, it's quite common for a visa renewal to be required to leave the country. Depending on the visa, you might have to do this every y

• erkt 1mo ago
  Inhumane maybe, but our government should owe its first allegiance to our citizens wellbeing, not imported workers.
  • mcmcmc 1mo ago
    The first responsibility is to protect the rights of all people in the country. Citizenship is not required for protected rights
    • 9x39 1mo ago
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      • klardotsh 1mo ago
        They can’t vote in most elections (except a few local elections in some places) and aren’t guaranteed entry at the border. They also can’t work a litany of jobs requiring citizenship. They get a plenty bad enough shake. Let’s grant them the absolute basics of humane treatment and a fair shake at getting citizenship, sheesh. Other countries get by just fine not having such a huge delta between haves and have nots on citizenship, and their social cohesion is better for it.
        • unselect5917 1mo ago
          I have a better idea. Let them make their countries worth living in. If they don't like it in America they can leave. Because unlike Americans, we don't have another home country to retreat to. Most countries have MUCH higher standards for immigration and their citizens much better off for it.
          • mcmcmc 1mo ago
            > Most countries have MUCH higher standards for immigration and their citizens much better off for it. I think your math is off. The US is in the top 10 for GDP per capita, 99% literacy rate when the global average is 87%, the poverty rate is below average, the list goes on. Most countries in the world aren’t even considered developed nations. Immigration has been America’s core growth engine for two and a half centuries. There may be problems but you are deluding yourself if you think the whole economy hasn’t benefited from immigration. Even when that immigration was through chattel slavery.
            • profdevloper 1mo ago
              I'm relieved that the magic soil in the United States can improve these peoples' lives.
              • preg_match 1mo ago
                It’s a symbiotic relationship. The reason the US is so prosperous is due to immigration, mostly during the 20th century. The US cannot run off of just the existing citizens. Well, it can, for a while, but not indefinitely.
                • throwaway85825 1mo ago
                  Can't? Do citizens expire? Are you unaware of the concept of children?
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      • mcmcmc 1mo ago
        Rights and benefits are two different things, surely you aren’t that dumb. Do you think non-citizens can get Social Security or a US Passport?
        • 9x39 1mo ago
          If they have almost all of the rights and almost all of the benefits but none of the responsibilities, which you ignored, then the point stands. They benefit from the entire bill of rights (arguably rightly so). They have better job prospects. They can purchase homes with federal loans. They can attend college. They can invest and own companies. They can even draw from Social Security. For now, non-citizens cannot vote openly in congressional elections, but can in minor elections like school boards and municipal votes. They cannot be drafted to defend a nation. They have to remain employed, but enforcement is questionable and creative solutions exist. It's a pretty good deal. Oh, and of course dual citizens always have an escape hatch to leave one country and their debts behind should they choose.
          • mcmcmc 1mo ago
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        • sokoloff 1mo ago
          > Do you think non-citizens can get Social Security I know they can (because I checked).
          • epistasis 1mo ago
            If they have paid into it like anybody else, crucially. They met their responsibilities.
        • Balooga 1mo ago
          > Do you think non-citizens can get Social Security or a US Passport? Non-citizen Nationals can get a US passport. For example, folks born in American Samoa.
      • wat10000 1mo ago
        The vast majority of citizens never made a conscious choice to be one.
      • epistasis 1mo ago
        What responsibility does a non-citizen shirk? They must follow lows, pay taxes, etc. Even for things like social security. I sometimes wonder where these concepts come from, because it sounds like somebody tricked you into thinking that non-citizens are somehow taking things from everybody else, rather than contributing just the same as everyone.
        • lmz 1mo ago
          National defense, and (more vaguely) a responsibility to keep the host country in good shape as there's no other country they can run back to if things go bad in the host country.
          • mcmcmc 1mo ago
            The US military has been an all volunteer force for half a century. Have you served?
            • lmz 1mo ago
              Not even American. Just visited once for a few weeks. The answer is generic, in recent times you can compare how Ukraine or Russia can conscript their own citizens but probably not foreign workers who just work there.
              • mcmcmc 1mo ago
                Ok so you probably wouldn’t know that foreign born service members make up 5% of our military, most of those becoming naturalized citizens while serving. They’re not shirking their responsibilities anymore than natural born Americans who don’t volunteer.
                • lmz 1mo ago
                  Voluntary service is great but when you get invaded you're not going to send the H1B visa holder to the frontlines, are you?
    • jpadkins 1mo ago
      If citizenship is not required for protected rights, what is? If myself and 10,000 of my friends migrate to Greenland illegally, does the Greenland government have a duty to protect our rights?
      • anthonypasq 1mo ago
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      • mcmcmc 1mo ago
        Yes. Your rights do not include entering Greenland illegally. They do include things like being given food and water in prison until you are deported. Protected rights are inalienable, you don’t need to do something to qualify.
  • ViktorRay 1mo ago
    The government should not be doing inhumane things to people. This should not be a controversial statement.
  • kashunstva 1mo ago
    Surely you would admit that this Administration’s approach to immigration has been both chaotic and cruel. The workers who were given status in the United States expected a predictable process, not one that changes weekly based on the unserious personal whims of a bored, ill-informed and vindictive man. In any case, the prioritization of citizens’ wellbeing writ large is demonstrably _not_ a feature of this Administration’s agenda.
    • throwaway85825 1mo ago
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      • macintux 1mo ago
        I wish, I desperately wish, this "both sides" fallacy would die. There has not been this level of chaos in government decision-making in generations. I have no idea how far back you'd have to go to find a president changing the rules for business arbitrarily every single month.
        • throwaway85825 1mo ago
          I've spent the last month just dealing with new local government laws. This level of chaos has been the norm for a while now.
    • consensus1 1mo ago
      The entire point of a temporary visa is that the host country can refuse to renew and force you to leave the country at their whim. When you apply for such a visa you accept those terms.
      • foltik 1mo ago
        The entire point of a temporary visa is for the country to benefit from your labor. How does canceling it on a “whim” benefit anybody?
  • UncleMeat 1mo ago
    And its going so great for our citizens wellbeing. Oodles of programs for the needy smashed to bits. Corruption and self dealing out the wazoo. Protestors shot to death by ICE agents. A legendarily stupid war fucking up international shipping. Illegal tariffs changing daily.
  • epistasis 1mo ago
    How, in any way does this help the wellbeing of a citizen? Why bring up that very strange point, which is completely unconnected to the massive harm here. If anything, these policies harm the citizens of the US in a myriad of ways. There's zero benefit to be had from any of this. Except for the joy tha tthe cruel feel in causing others misery, but that's not citizens, that's just a few sick people.
    • 0xDEAFBEAD 1mo ago
      >There's zero benefit to be had from any of this. From the article: "Updated guidance and training were being put in place to ensure that visa applicants don’t become a public charge under U.S. law or depend on government benefits intended for Americans in need, a spokesman for the department said Wednesday."
      • foltik 1mo ago
        The implication that visa applicants are receiving government benefits intended for Americans is completely unsubstantiated.
        • FireBeyond 1mo ago
          Very true - for most of these with the exception of refugee visas (which we have stopped processing except for Afrikaaners), there is a requirement for financial sponsorship: someone the IRS can bill/garnish in a meaningful manner if you receive any government benefit within ten years of your arrival in the US.
      • FireBeyond 1mo ago
        Which makes zero sense, because this has always been the case. When I moved here twenty years ago on a K-1 visa, my partner had to sign an affidavit of support saying that regardless of any contributions I made (paying taxes, social security, etc.), that any "public charge" would be directly billable to her through the IRS. -And- she had to demonstrate ability to be able to meet that obligation. That financial sponsorship applies for the first ten years of the immigrant's residency. Whatever updated guidance and training is needed here is one of two things, 1) something that could be handled in a matter of days or weeks, or 2) "We have no idea how long this could take so we're suspending it indefinitely" (which is what they're doing), and the "updated guidance and training" is a smokescreen for Steven Miller's agenda of becoming a closed nation.
  • waterTanuki 1mo ago
    The mere suggestion that this admin is doing this or anything else for the wellbeing of its citizens is a complete departure from reality. It's very clear what the motivations are, and just because they don't seem harmful in isolation doesn't mean it's going to have no consequences for everyone else.
• prepend 1mo ago
  I have friends who are expats and they’ve done this for years. I had one family member who left every six months to renew their visa. It’s a chore, but very common around the world.
  • yibg 1mo ago
    Were they able to come back when they did this?
    • goodluckchuck 1mo ago
      I think the whole point of making someone leave is the possibility that they may not be allowed back in. If staying was a foregone conclusion then there’d be no point in leaving.
      • klardotsh 1mo ago
        I can’t think of any other rationale. What, only border officers are able to process a visa renewal? Please. We can have offices inside the country handle this stuff, just like offices handle Trusted Traveler applications and Social Security card issuances. The point is surely to get another chance to grill the immigrant and potentially bar them entry. Other countries don’t always do this: Canada for example has inland changes of status and I believe renewals.
        • dmix 1mo ago
          > I can’t think of any other rationale. Lack of real domestic enforcement would be an obvious one, so everything gets pushed to the border entry points.
          • fn-mote 1mo ago
            They know who you are and where you work… how hard could it be to enforce rules? Wait, what’s getting enforced here, anyway? They are getting a new visa, no? I don’t believe this rationale at all.
• apercu 1mo ago
  In Canada I had to leave and re-enter for my permanent resident status to complete. It’s not that uncommon - but it’s a pain.
  • PierceJoy 1mo ago
    OP isn't criticizing the practise of leaving to renew. He's criticizing the this new policy of not letting you back in when you leave.
  • smnrchrds 1mo ago
    In Canada you never have to leave to renew or change status; it's just sometimes faster to do so. It's always the applicant's choice. I went through the whole work permit to PR to citizenship pipeline without ever having to leave the country.
    • sanswork 1mo ago
      I'm not sure if its the same in Canada but when I went through the process for Australia it depended on where you started the process. I started the process while outside the country so to activate my visa I had to leave and come back but if I had filed while in the country I could have stayed. I do remember Canada telling my partner she wouldn't be guaranteed reentry while they were processing her PR visa until it was finalised if we left the country though so we just ended up doing the Australian half first and I never went back.
      • flamedoge 1mo ago
        ... It's always applicant's choice
    • euio757 1mo ago
      > I went through the whole work permit to PR to citizenship pipeline without ever having to leave the country. You're comparing apples to oranges. People going from non-immigrant visa (H1B, F1 etc.) to Green card via i485 "adjustment of status" do not need to leave the country either. Only consular processing (ds 260) are in scope of this pause https://www.ellis.com/resources/immigrant-visa-pause-2026 https://www.ellis.com/resources/immigrant-visa-pause-2026 Has more details than the paywalled article
• glimshe 1mo ago
  In the mid 2000s, I had to leave the US for renewal while leaving all my hard assets behind. I had a plan in place in case I couldn't go back to the country, which did happen to some people. These people had their interviews, but they got held back outside the US, sometimes for months, waiting for the renewal process to finish. I had an immediate renewal, but was almost held back for some red tape reasons. This sucks but it isn't new, unfortunately.
  • dbspin 1mo ago
    The scale is new. Obviously a nightmare or even a tragedy for individual people that it happens at all. But this happening to (tens of?) thousands of people all at once is a whole different thing.
• garbawarb 1mo ago
  Or imagine if an employee works for you and this happens to them.
  • nostrademons 1mo ago
    I've had a couple of reports that this applied to. It's incredibly disruptive. "I've got to fly back to India to renew my visa." "Okay, when will you be back?" "I have no idea, it depends when I can get an appointment. It could be next week, it might be in a month." "[State department] We're pausing all visa appointments." "Well fuck." Meanwhile I've got a tech lead who is 12 hours away from the rest of the team. He was at least willing to work US-East hours while in India (basically staying up all night and sleeping during the day), but there was a huge amount of management overhead and inconvenience for the employee involved.
    • assemblyman 1mo ago
      At least the procedure used to be that one would try to get an appointment at the US consulate in one's home country and then arrange the trip around it. Also, at least in my experience (but importantly, not with this administration) was that one was never required to leave the US. The main constraint is re-entry into the US and being able to travel outside the US. If one stayed here, there was no problem switching schools, programs, jobs, adjusting status to permanent residency or naturalization. On the other hand, for re-entry, one needs a valid visa stamped on a passport which necessitated a trip to one's home country. This stamping visit could be unpredictable. Ideally, one would like to travel freely to see family and friends but I see a lot of comments implying that one is forced to leave. It might be true now but a lot of comments here are conflating several issues together.
      • nostrademons 1mo ago
        The first time it happened (2023) it was a non-issue; he did exactly as you said, appointment happened as planned, and then he was back on his scheduled plane trip a week later. Everything post-2025 has been a shit-show. There's no predictability or clear guidance, either from our lawyers or from the state department. Predictability matters a lot in business. If you know what the procedure is and how long it will take, you can plan around it. If the rules change in the middle of the game you're left scrambling to keep up.
• unselect5917 1mo ago
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  • blitzar 1mo ago
    Kick out all the foreigners - drawing an arbitrary line at anyone who arrived (or can be linked back to arrivals) after 1492.
    • rayiner 1mo ago
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      • blitzar 1mo ago
        > immigrants bringing their language, law, and culture Immigrants; coming over here, not even speaking the language or respecting the local laws or culture. Outrageous.
        • nec4b 1mo ago
          If you were a native American it certainly felt outrages or do you think otherwise?
          • blitzar 1mo ago
            100% of new jobs since 1492 have gone to these foreigners.
  • ericmay 1mo ago
    > 90% of new jobs since 2020 went to people not born in America. That's a passive-aggressive invasion. Do you have a source for this claim?
    • unselect5917 1mo ago
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• ck2 1mo ago
  everything this administration does daily is from one of three boxes [CHAOS] [CORRUPTION] [CRUELTY] this is a little from the first box and the last box imagine what's tomorrow or next week meanwhile let's all enjoy the billion spent on making statues gold plated in DC and the ballroom and the arch and his drapes and his reflecting pool and 100 foot banners of his face on federal building and his face on gold coins, passports, park passes and the $250 bill it's surreal
  • timmytokyo 1mo ago
    You forgot [INCOMPETENCE]
    • eviks 1mo ago
      That's the foundational box for the actors, not a property of the actions
    • JoshTriplett 1mo ago
      Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
• JauntTrooper 1mo ago
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  • arjie 1mo ago
    Yeah, this is a pretty big risk. I'm similarly married to an American and we have an American child. Other country seems to have screwed the family, though. Mine (India) offers a fairly indefinite visa called an Overseas Citizen of India. And my wife's other nationality (Taiwan) also permits foreign spouses to live there after some straightforward paperwork. So, in theory, we could live in either of these other places together. I suppose I will only know when push comes to shove.
    • cheonc720 1mo ago
      > And my wife's other nationality (Taiwan) also permits foreign spouses to live there after some straightforward paperwork. Not really. Taiwan doesn’t like India either. There’s a reason out of the 1.1 million immigrants/foreigners in Taiwan, only 6,000 are from India.
      • arjie 1mo ago
        I’ve never had any trouble going to Taiwan. One of the easier places to go as an Indian who lives here in the US since you have an online form and you get 6 visits of 14 days each and you can do that while you wait for your visa application. My parents also found it quite easy and they live in India. Also, even with NWOHR it’s not that hard. What trouble did you encounter? Might be useful for me to be aware.
  • SauciestGNU 1mo ago
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• Varelion 1mo ago
  Inhumane is every choice made by this country under this regime. The "bothsides" and "no politics" crowds are equally as complicit in this as Trump voters.
• assemblyman 1mo ago
  At least for F1 and H-1B visas, one wasn't required to get a new visa physically stamped (for which one would have to leave) to switch schools (undergrad -> grad) or jobs. Is this forced now? Of course, if one wanted the freedom to be able to travel or visit one's home country, a new stamping was required if the old visa expired. It's not ideal but a lot of us basically didn't leave for several years (even pre-Trump 1) to avoid the hassle of a new stamping.
• OptionOfT 1mo ago
  H1-B and L1 can actually be done in-country, but for some reading going abroad and get consular processing has a lower chance of RFE.
  • spiralpolitik 1mo ago
    Based on my experience 20 years ago you could only renew the H-1B visa in the passport in-country under extraordinary circumstances. In the majority of cases they reject your request and would tell you to travel to a consulate. Prior to the mid 00s you could renew at any consulate but they changed it so you could only renew in your home country.
    • zem 1mo ago
      the "only in your home country" change happened very recently, late 2025 or early 2026
      • mportela 1mo ago
        Not really… Theoretically, you could get it issued in a third country under very restrict conditions (renewing to the same class, in Mexico or Canada, force majeure, etc). However, the likelihood of it being denied was considerably higher, so basically all immigration lawyers strongly recommended going back to the home country. The recent policy change ended that possibility altogether.
        • zem 1mo ago
          at least for Indians, going to Mexico/Canada and renewing to the same class were both very large use cases. consulate appointments in the home country are super backed up.
          • mportela 1mo ago
            Oh, yeah, that makes sense!
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• tclancy 1mo ago
  Hang on a tick: does that mean we may have been the baddies all along? I say this as someone who just sent their daughter to NYC explaining how we used to try to sell the Brooklyn Bridge to poor immigrants who just assumed this was a land of kind people, WTF? Could we not take a decade off from being prissy about our democracy *and* total cocks about how we actually act?
• conductr 1mo ago
  Not trying to make a political point at all and perhaps a controversial take. But, it’s specifically and maybe implicitly by design. Meaning they made this way precisely so you have to reapply so they can change their mind or block you out later. Nothing about getting a visa is permanent and you’re fully at risk when you move here with that type of status. If you evaluate the situation that’s always been the case.
  • CamperBob2 1mo ago
    Unless you use the visa to marry Donald Trump, as his 3rd wife did.
    • pstuart 1mo ago
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      • walrus01 1mo ago
        Let he who hasn't cheated on his first wife to get with his second wife to cheat on his second wife to get with his 'genius visa' third wife cast the first stone! Seriously, people, everyone does it!
      • mindslight 1mo ago
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    • dhosek 1mo ago
      His first wife too.
    • seebeegeebee 1mo ago
      So brave
    • rbanffy 1mo ago
      That shows immigrants work on jobs American's don't want.
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• aloknnikhil 1mo ago
  Isn't this specifically for immigrant Visas? The work and student Visas (H1B / F1) are non-immigrant Visas.
• HumblyTossed 1mo ago
  Indeed it is. But that’s the point Miller, etc are trying to make. We’re so screwed. Good luck to us ever building up goodwill again.
  • pstuart 1mo ago
    It will take generations -- if we even get the chance.
    • consensus1 1mo ago
      We'll be fine. It didn't take Germany & Japan that long after they started WWII
      • GolfPopper 1mo ago
        Who's going to conquer the United States and restore rule of law and representative government by force?
        • 0xDEAFBEAD 1mo ago
          By default we'll have a change of president in 2-3 years. Like Karl Popper said, the primary strength of democracy is the ability to remove bad leaders with minimal violence.
          • pstuart 1mo ago
            I hope so. J6 was effectively a practice run. The midterms will be a key predictor, as there's a realistic forecast that there will be a "national emergency" or some other mechanism to fuck with voting. This would be paranoid ramblings more than 10 years ago but today is a legitimate concern.
• seanmcdirmid 1mo ago
  > So just imagine, having a normal job in the US and you're asked to leave to renew your visa and this stuff happens. The only way I can see this happening is if you try to convert from OTP to an H1. I used to do some runs up to Vancouver to help a friend do that. This just generally sucks for anyone making plans in their life. I remember my wife's greencard interview in Guangzhou, and it would have sucked if they instituted this the day before she did that.
• amir734jj 1mo ago
  Agreed. I live in Midwest and that's the same sentiment I am getting from the people. People voted to oppose illegal migration, not stopping legal migration. This November will be judgment day for this administration's policies.
  • hilariously 1mo ago
    The term "illegal immigration" got moved to "people who have proper papers and did everything legally but were granted access by someone I don't like" - anyone who was an informed voter could see that "against illegal immigration" was just red meat for the base.
• pandaman 1mo ago
  Immigrant visas cannot be renewed - if you use such a visa to enter the country then you become a lawful permanent resident and are not eligible for any visas until you abandon your permanent residency, and even then you will need to apply for a brand new visa.
• drnick1 1mo ago
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• bmitc 1mo ago
  This report is for immigrant visas. H-1B visas are not immigrant visas and are the ones that require the stamp renewal in the home country. That being said, yes, the way the current administration handles immigrant visas, worker visas, and more is absolutely inhumane and completely asinine. I've been through it with family and friends, and it is painful and can be heartbreaking even.
• testbjjl 1mo ago
  I think there are a lot of inhumane things happening around the world right now to label this inconvenient, at best. We need better leadership through higher voter participation and an informed electorate to stop these inhumane and inconvenient policies.
  • NeutralWanted 1mo ago
    Speak for yourself, I voted for exactly these policies.
    • bruce511 1mo ago
      Thank you for posting. I'm being sincere. I think it is helpful to remind folk that these policies are not universally hated. Indeed a majority of voters voted specifically for them, and they were explicitly laid out. This is democracy in action. The majority (of those who care enough at all) get to rule over the minority (and the apathetic). Obviously not all actions will be universally loved, but no govt action can ever be universally loved.
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      • ActorNightly 1mo ago
        Its also helpful to remind folk about why someone would hold this position. The largest reason US got to where it was at least in the world economy stage was because of the visa program. It was the country everyone wanted to move to, because you can apply your skills, make money, start a business, with very little restriction comparatively, buy a house, and live your dream life. The more people wanna work, the more opportunities there are for work. Any time money changes hands, like in salary for work, this grows the economy, which further creates new jobs. If someone is for this type of restricted immigration, then you should have a clear cut position on why you think things being more expensive, less available, and overall lower economic activity (which affects things like one being able to get a mortgate or other loan, and so on) is generally better for the country. Because if they don't have those reasons, or have ones that are not rooted in reality than the position comes from xenophobia and racism in 99% of the cases.
• hippycruncher22 1mo ago
  We've had three people get stuck in India for months. two got removed from job because of it.
  • cmiles8 1mo ago
    Not defending it, but that’s an intended feature and not a bug of the situation.
• NooneAtAll3 1mo ago
  > it's quite common for a visa renewal to be required to leave the country you mean leaving the country is required for visa renewal? the other way around?
• jmyeet 1mo ago
  This administration is clearly on a war against immigration of all sorts but... we need to be accurate here. This is specifically a pause on immigrant visas. That is, green cards. So this is for family-based green cards and investor green cards through consular processing (ie when out of the country). As yet, work visas and other nonimmigrant visas are unaffected.
  • f30e3dfed1c9 1mo ago
    Someone who appears to have actually read the article, or at least the first sentence! Wonders never cease.
  • FireBeyond 1mo ago
    And refugees - unless you are Afrikaaner. The US has processed a sum total of 153 refugee visas in the last 12 months for the entire planet that were not Afrikaaner (of which they have processed 10,105, because they are adjudicated to have refugee status by default).
  • yesb 1mo ago
    Employment green cards are sometimes obtained via consular processing too.
• scheme271 1mo ago
  The pause is for immigrant visas so most visas like H1 or H2 or O visas aren't affect this time. But it's definitely part of the US admin's overall theme of ratcheting up visa restrictions and making any immigration or travel to the US extremely difficult.
  • seebeegeebee 1mo ago
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    • thayne 1mo ago
      Maybe if legal immigration were more achievable we wouldn't have so many illegal immigrants.
      • seebeegeebee 1mo ago
        Its VERY achievable. I've gone through it personally and it sucks just as much as legally immigrating to ANY other country on Earth. I've legally gone through this process in at least 5 countries and the US was the most expensive, but far from the worst.
        • thayne 1mo ago
          > the US was the most expensive In other words, completely inaccessible to many people who would like a better life and are willing to work but lack opportunities in their native country. Just because it was achievable for you doesn't mean it is achievable for everyone.
          • account42 1mo ago
            So? No one is entitled to immigrate to the US. It is very much supposed to not be achievable for literally everyone but only for those where it will be a net positive for the country. And it's perfectly normal that the country where the most people want to immigrate to will also have higher barriers.
• lazide 1mo ago
  Notably, this is exceptionally common in every country I’ve ever lived in that had such Visa’s. Including them being used as political footballs (including for India, Brazil, Germany, etc). Does it suck? Yes. Is this unexpected? Not really, no.
  • aveao 1mo ago
    Not sure when you lived here but Germany does not require you to leave the country to renew the document that lets you re-enter¹, same as rest of Schengen. Renewal frequency is also 4 years for "EU Blue Card" holders (STEM workers). ¹: residence permit card in case of schengen, visa in case of "non-immigrants" in US.
    • lazide 1mo ago
      Ah, this was pre-schengen. Nice to see it got nicer!
      • aveao 1mo ago
        It improved a few times during my years here, it's very refreshing compared to what I've seen of the US, where the system is almost as clunky as it was in the 90s.
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• blks 1mo ago
  In my experience it’s quite uncommon for immigration visas/residence permits to require to leave
• rdevsrex 1mo ago
  There is no human right to have a US visa interview; everything is a privilege that can be withdrawn.
  • codingisfreedom 1mo ago
    Agreed. People seem to hold views that getting visas to the US is a human right. It’s no fun, but these are adults (and often very privileged adults) that decided to move to a new country for more upside at the cost of no residency. Conflating this with “inhumane” is just a basic misunderstanding of immigration and the contract these people signed up for. Very uncomfortable, yet a risk these people took, and hopefully a conscious one.
    • theF00l 1mo ago
      You are both conflating technical correctness with morality
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      • eudamoniac 1mo ago
        You are conflating morality with proper governance. Democratic government must enact the will of the citizen body, even if immoral in some frameworks.
        • theF00l 1mo ago
          So it can be inhumane then, by your definition?
          • eudamoniac 1mo ago
            Sure. Unless you prefer autocratic rule by a moral paragon, democracy involves doing what people want, not what is moral. Often what is nominally moral is not good for the country or its people.
• kakacik 1mo ago
  Or... one can move to place which treats you with respect you deserve, and not like some unwanted garbage scum. Is this really how smart immigrants want to live their lives since this is not some temporary glitch? This is society you want to raise your kids in? There is no sum of money high enough for me to accept such treatment, money are not that relevant once person is not poor. And if its not money, other places have much better working societies in all important metrics, not just this (healthcare, education, social services, criminality, infrastructure and so on... basic pillars not some nitpicks)
• cineticdaffodil 1mo ago
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• bubblethink 1mo ago
  >So just imagine, having a normal job in the US and you're asked to leave to renew your visa and this stuff happens. You are confusing some terms. You are never asked to leave to renew the visa. Visa is an entry document. It only serves the purpose of granting you entry. When you are in the US, your stay is covered by your status. If you extend or change your status, you will continue to be in legal status in the US. That is, you are never asked to leave as long as you are in status. If you do leave on your own though, you will need a new visa if your old one has expired. So the TLDR is that if you leave on your own, you will get stranded.
• gyanchawdhary 1mo ago
  It’s 2026 and you causally throw that term “inhumane” because it’s going to make some dollar denominated wage earners life a bit complicated ? Man, what a bubbly life you live in … inhuman it seems lol
• zkmon 1mo ago
  This is for immigrant visas, not non-immigrant ones. H1B is a non-immigrant visa which is mostly used for work. So I think this is a click bait culture affecting all media houses from top to bottom.
• ulfw 1mo ago
  Inhumane is the whole idea of the NewUSA
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• the_real_cher 1mo ago
  The hundreds of thousands of unnemployed tech workers who were laid off over the past few years and replaced by immigrants in the USA are probably not the saddest about this news. The fresh grads who can't find a job in the US aren't the saddest about this news.
• mikert89 1mo ago
  These are temporary visas
• gchamonlive 1mo ago
  > Just 'putting a pause' on people with existing appointments with no answer for when they might resume is.... Inhumane For the admin that closed USAID overnight, sent innocents to El Salvador, incited ICE to gun down American citizens, this seems to me like business as usual.
• cyanydeez 1mo ago
  Theyre pinching H1B visas to bootlick for fascism. Any other rationale ignores history.
  • aveao 1mo ago
    This is for immigrant visas, H1-B is (for silly reasons) non-immigrant. This does close the path for green card for H1-Bs for now (alongside everyone else).
  • jpadkins 1mo ago
    Fascism is the merger of corporate and government power. Powerful corporations utilize do not like this policy decision at all. Increasing costs of H1B means less workers who will work harder and cheaper than the market would bear if large amounts of immigrant labor were allowed in. So no, reducing immigrant labor is not a fascist move because it is not in the interests of powerful corporations and capital owners.
    • cyanydeez 1mo ago
      Yes, that _is the point_. Tarriffs, immigration, they're poking the bears to make them bootlick for regulatory allowance. Thats how Republicans now treat the regulatory apparatus: it's either jetisoned as wasteful spending or used to get kickbacks and favors and to "tame" the bear.
• leftouterjoins 1mo ago
  Imagine trying to find a job in your home country but you can’t because masses are being brought over to undercut you and your fellow countrymen. Inhumane.
  • rmujica 1mo ago
    skill issue
    • y-curious 1mo ago
      Importing people that will work for much less (and many times, much worse) is not a skill issue. Keep laughing til you are undercut fully
  • MostlyStable 1mo ago
    Lump of Labor fallacy
  • cylemons 1mo ago
    You can close the door without screwing over people that are already in the process
  • zaptheimpaler 1mo ago
    Well it’s been 2 years since immigration has been massively curtailed so where are all the extra jobs they were taking? Have wages and employment rates gone up or have they gone down?
• shevy-java 1mo ago
  People who voted Trump, though, kind of want that tough-man stance. The problem is that the USA is really messed up. They only get binaries, aka "more/fewer immigrants". That's not really democracy - that's a dictatorship based on populism, run by a billionaire who keeps on feeding his dynasty clan, yet suspiciously avoids explaining his association with Epstein or why he attacks foreign countries (such as Iran) without having a plan in place. He is really by far the dumbest US president of all times - and I said that about George Bush jr. too, but that guy is still smarter than Trump is.
• godelmachine 1mo ago
  This is for immigrant visa, not work visa. I think you got it all wrong.
  • beanjuiceII 1mo ago
    they did get it wrong
  • hvb2 1mo ago
    I think you have a point, however a change of status for example (so from temporary to permanent) can require you leaving the country. Also, the first paragraph of the article says it too: "Immigrant visa applicants with interviews scheduled at U.S. embassies and consulates have been notified by email that their appointments are being postponed."
• catigula 1mo ago
  Working in the US is a privilege, not a right.
• kevinthedigger 1mo ago
  Good bye, you broke the law.
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  • evan_a_a 1mo ago
    A green card is permanent residency, not a visa process.
    • seanmcdirmid 1mo ago
      It’s both. You need the visa to enter the country and get the green card.
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• 1718627440 1mo ago
  I think they would need to send your stuff out at least. Otherwise it would be robbery.