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Hetzner Price Adjustment
https://www.hetzner.com/pressroom/standardization-and-price-adjustment-of-our-server-products/ https://www.hetzner.com/pressroom/standardization-and-price-...
- chnbydigi 4mo ago[dead]
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- tuhtah 4mo agoHetzner dramatically increased prices for new and rescaled instances starting 15th of June, 2026; 8 AM CEST. For orders placed before 15 June 2026, but delivered after 15 June 2026, the previous prices will apply.
- djxfade 4mo agoAnyone know why? Some of the tiers more than doubled in price, that's pretty insane.
- dns_snek 4mo agoRAM prices, surely?
- Neywiny 4mo agoWas looking into a ram upgrade and the kit is 4x what it was even a year ago. I'm with you on this one
- jpk2f2 4mo agoHardware prices, especially RAM, have skyrocketed. Priced out new baremetal servers recently and prices were 3-6x what we paid 4 years ago for the newer equivalents.
- memothon 4mo agoWas this announced beforehand? How do you double prices for customers so abruptly with no transition period?
- xRyen 4mo agoThey announced it a few months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47120145 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47120145
- aflukasz 4mo agoThere are actually two separate pricing increases. One was introduced about 1-2 months ago. The one from today was announced at the end of May, without actually revealing new pricing then. The new levels were made public today or yesterday, I believe. And they are much bigger than before, some hikes are well above 200%.
- chadgpt3 4mo agobecause it's for new customers.
- mdrzn 4mo agoPreviously discussed 18 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48306066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48306066
- tuhtah 4mo agoI believe the price changes themselves were not publicly announced by Hetzner back then. Just their intent to increase them once again. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48307959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48307959 For example, their 'Regular Performance' cloud server tier has seen a 173% price increase.
- ilioscio 4mo agoWow this is a brutal price increase for a lot of plans, at least it appears old user instance prices are grandfathered unless you rescale them.
- zsellera 4mo agoIt's been a struggle to allocate cost-optimized VPS at them for months now (in some regions), they were very often out-of-stock.
- mhitza 4mo agoThey are also becoming greedy. I rent their 20GB VRAM instance GEX44, for which they now ask a 500 euro one-time setup fee. Whereas it was something like 60 euros a year ago.
- elmo2you 4mo agoWe (company) do the same. Though in our case the setup cost was 80 Euros (I think), less than a year ago. As the GPU proved not really suitable for any serious server workloads (it's a workstation class card), we'll soon be ditching that machine anyways (now for sure). Maybe our other inventory at Hetzner too. Not even because of the price increases themselves, but rather because the way in which they've communicated those. Personally, I've been a loyal customer and avid advocate for Hetzner, for well over a decade. They sure knew how to nuke that in record time. They can spin their story any way they like, but I'd say their board better consider sending most of their management packing, without bonuses or severance pay.
- mhitza 4mo agoInteresting over the price increase rollover now the setup fee is around 110 euros. The machine itself is basically useless for any type of realtime inference, no matter what the marketing page states, but I still use it for prototyping LLM integrations and running comparisons across MoE models. If only the alternatives to framework desktop wouldn't be so poorly built, I might swap it out for a local machine which has more ram but comparable performance for stuff like gpt-oss-20b (around 70tok/s)
- jorams 4mo ago> I rent their 20GB VRAM instance GEX44, for which they now ask a 500 euro one-time setup fee Along with the increase in monthly prices they've dropped setup fees back to more approachable levels, though not as low as they were a year ago. For the GEX44 it was €79 a year ago, now €114. Monthly price was €184 a year ago, now €234.
- binarymax 4mo agoThis is just the reality of hardware costs now. RAM and Disk are scarce, prices have skyrocketed. I wonder how much leverage the hyperscalers like AWS/GCP/Azure have on their own supply chain to keep costs level in their clouds.
- RIMR 4mo agoThe hyperscalers are the ones buying up all the memory and storage hardware in the first place. They aren't affected by the problem, they are the source of the problem.
- motbus3 4mo agoTrue but this is probably because now they have much more demand as other competitors got to expensive and now people are going for the smaller ones even with low service levels
- MattGaiser 4mo agoIt’s also trivial to use now. With AI, there’s no meaningful additional work in using a VM.
- jameshart 4mo agoRight, instead of using a managed serverless platform where you pay a premium for proprietary cloud provided services to take away the overhead of managing and patching servers for you and let you just deploy containers, you can… pay a premium for proprietary cloud-hosted AI engines to take away the overhead of managing and patching servers for you and let you just deploy containers.
- mrngld 4mo agoThat's what I'm doing for my personal stuff. It's all running on a pair of Raspberry Pi's. There's an automation in Codex to, once a week, run a ton of health checks, updates, make sure backups are running, etc., and let me know the outcome. Tailscale acting a little wonky? One quick prompt (from my phone! don't even need to sit down at the keyboard any more) and it's sorted out. It's lowered the threshold for homelab style projects dramatically. It's not doing anything I couldn't have, but the juice wasn't worth the squeeze before compared to, say, Pikapods. Now there basically is no squeeze, just juice.
- noodlesUK 4mo agoThis is such disappointing news. I was planning on migrating some of our workloads to hetzner specifically to take advantage of the AX162 pricing which was incredibly competitive. Does anyone else have any suggestions for competitive pricing for this kind of thing (e.g. batch jobs)? Was this applied retrospectively to existing customers?
- jonatron 4mo agoFrom memory, OVH and Scaleway are similar to Hetzner
- mhkool 4mo agoOVH is more expensive
- BadBadJellyBean 4mo agoAre they though? They have their KS, SYS and RISE lines with slightly older hardware. The prices are not too bad, I think. https://www.kimsufi.com/en/ https://www.kimsufi.com/en/
- Aachen 4mo agoAnd tells you in an FAQ to go to a competitor if you want to send emails (personal or commercial does not matter). Various bugs in the ordering systems too. Domain names run smoothly (fast and cheap) once you got the payment systems dealt with but for servers it doesn't seem great
- Aldipower 4mo ago_was_
- markvdb 4mo agoHetzner is actually somewhat reliable, and OVH is not.
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- zsoltkacsandi 4mo agoCorrect me if I am wrong, but AI made software development and operations more expensive than before. Yes, it is faster too, but the question: is it worth the price? Can the users consume new features in that pace?
- jvuygbbkuurx 4mo agoPrices aren't high for the current capabilities or demand. It is all a bet on the future.
- grishka 4mo agoThe use of AI is still optional.
- noodlesUK 4mo agoYes but paying massively inflated prices for compute are not anymore. Even for consumer gear I am being quoted prices that are more than 2x what they were only a year ago (and availability is hard).
- SoftTalker 4mo agoBut its impact on new hardware costs and replacement costs is not. A company like Hetzner probably replaces hardware on a 5 year cycle. Maybe shorter. Maybe they could try to stretch that out but they can't avoid the cost of new hardware for very long.
- jnwatson 4mo agoI think it is worse for Hetzner. The secret is out. Their prices have attracted a lot of demand, and they need to buy equipment to satisfy that demand. The last Hetzner box I leased I had to poll for availability as if I was Ebay auction sniping. It took me 2 days to acquire it.
- SoftTalker 4mo agoAbsolutely. Replacement is one thing, but there is also the need for new hardware to meet growing demand.
- ozgune 4mo agoThe new prices are here: https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availability/price-adjustment/ https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availabi... (However, Hetzner did an earlier price increase 38 days ago. HN's submission logic sends posting the url to the previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48306066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48306066)
- ralferoo 4mo agoThe price of server auctions seem pretty much the same as before: https://www.hetzner.com/sb https://www.hetzner.com/sb so if you don't need the latest hardware, Hetzner is still and outstanding deal.
- Foobar8568 4mo agoServer auctions are more expensive than last month, I feel like 50% more at a minimum.
- ralferoo 4mo agoThe lowest is 46.70 EUR, and loads under 50 EUR. Seems about the same as usual. I've not checked any of the higher models in the auctions for ages though. It's important to understand how the auctions work though - the price of each server starts high and drops every couple of hours. That's why were are lots of the same spec at different prices. So, when demand is suddenly high (e.g. when the regular prices increase) the lowest prices will increase as the cheaper ones usually sell first.
- moontear 4mo agoAh, so this is ANOTHER price increase in a short timeframe? Thought I read about this before
- saltmate 4mo agoNo, this is the same prize increase. The post from 38 days ago was the announcement this one will come, now it is active.
- SXX 4mo agoIf you personally need it there is still time to get cheaper ones off auction: https://www.hetzner.com/sb/#ram_from=256 https://www.hetzner.com/sb/#ram_from=256 Yeah mostly old CPUs, but considering RAM shortages gonna be much cheaper than colocation. PS: link contains 256GB RAM filter since I guess OP need RAM.
- moomoo11 4mo agohow's that work? do they operate them on the buyer's behalf?
- alfanick 4mo agoSeems like it doesn't apply to older machines, I have AX41-NVMe, it's not on the list, I also didn't get any notification from them (and they usually send some) - no need to panic if you're longterm customer.
- avian 4mo agoI hope it stays like that for a while, but I suspect it won't. Advertised prices for my setup are now roughly 2x what I'm currently paying.
- alfanick 4mo agoSeems the driver is DDR5 memory, DDR4 servers are not affected from my quick look.
- Aachen 4mo agoThat'd be nice. The only server I can't host at home is basically just ferrying bytes to and fro, to have the right IP address for email deliverability. I'd buy DDR0.5 and a Pentium 2 if they'd offer it
- Aldipower 4mo agoAlso running an AX41-NVMe for 6 years now. I cannot remember, but they do replace defective parts, right?
- chadgpt3 4mo agoThey do, as long as possible and for free. Some comments said if they can't source replacement parts they may force you to change server. I wonder if they'll still grandfather your discount in that case.
- chadgpt3 4mo agoFirst two sentences. Only new plans are affected. Hold onto your servers as long as you can.
- theturtletalks 4mo agoOk
- beratbozkurt0 4mo agoI've only been using this a lot for a few months now. I'm sorry to see this.
- theturtletalks 4mo agoI was signing up for Hetzner years ago and it asked me to upload my passport to use their service. At that same time, I was reading about this story about WireCard. It was like Stripe for Europe and worth billions. Turns out it was run by a Russian spy network and was all a sham. That video alleged Germany’s bureaucracy is filled with Russian agents and this can be traced back to the East/West Berlin days. To save a few bucks a month over DO didn’t seem worth it to me to send my passport to a foreign country.
- mort96 4mo agoI was doing the same here, trying to set up a Hertzner account. Getting away from US companies and buying European and all that. But after I had made the account (and wasting a lot of time on back and forth with their buggy sign-up flow), I got told that I needed to upload a picture of my passport to do anything. Fuck no. I too decided to stick with DO.
- misiek08 4mo agoNice work from DO marketing team! Prices are completely not comparable and Hetzner was fighting scammers and kiddies, because low prices worked like a magnet for those. Russian spies? WOW, the earth got really flat these days. Seeing what US is doing with citizens and private companies I would love some Russian spy to be interested in exactly mine, boring passport.
- theturtletalks 4mo agoI encourage you to read about WireCard. It wasn’t just a normal sham company, it was able to fool auditing firms (one of the big 4) and the executives got away with it and are in Russia hiding. I’m trying to dig up the video also I can link it. There is no connection between WireCard and Hetzner outside of both being German companies.
- jacekm 4mo agoAnd they're not just hiding, Jan Marsalek is allegedly actively managing FSB operations against European states.
- eugenekolo 4mo agoIt really is an absolute massive jump. Have no clue what's going on in the back to warrant a 3x increase... 25-50%, sure.. but 3x is wild.
- drewg123 4mo agoThe AI bubble has increased the prices of nand and ram by a factor of 4, so a 3x increase seems reasonable. Companies that are not big enough to have long term contracts with ram/nand vendors have been hit really, really hard by this.
- Aissen 4mo agoIt's a bit higher than 4 now.
- microtonal 4mo agoThey probably also have to factor in the pricing trajectory to avoid changing their pricing too often.
- magicalhippo 4mo agoI almost pulled the trigger on a 2x64GB 6400MHz CL36 kit for about $650 last August. It's been insane since the spike happened, but went down somewhat last month. I just checked and it has gone up $1500 since then to $5000. So that's over 7.5x what it was when I (sadly) did not buy it. Totally not kicking myself for dragging my heels on that purchase... Cheapest 2x48GB kit I can find here now is $1500, yay. That's 5200MHz CL48 stuff.
- WhereIsTheTruth 4mo agoThere is no AI bubble There is an engineered scarcity, billion dollar companies can't ramp up production? Murica is stuck depending on the good will of Korea and China for thinking rocks? le fucking mao
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- conradfr 4mo agoI see that (new) EX44 servers are now 50% more expensive than before, ouch. Although there's none available anyway.
- TkTech 4mo agoThis continuing trend is going to do a fantastic job of ensuring fewer and fewer individuals can launch casual projects and gating (non-VC) startups to those who already have the means.
- pelagicAustral 4mo agoFor EU-based ops I moved to UpCloud, they have top customer service and their offerings are far more complete than Hetzner... Plus, they have more zones.
- transmit101 4mo agoIs there anything to suggest these increases are not reflecting the increased baseline price of RAM, GPUs, etc? If not then it is only a matter of time before other providers are forced into similar price hikes.
- ghosty141 4mo agoIs there anything to suggest these increases are reflecting the increased baseline price of RAM, GPUs, etc? I mean don't get me wrong, this for sure is a factor but like others said, other services don't see such drastic price hikes.
- king_zee 4mo agoI hope this doesn't hit the other servers, did they announce anything on why this increase happened? I would hate to need to move elsewhere
- shdh 4mo agoI wonder how this will affect their demand considering most people use them because they’re low cost
- roguas 4mo agoim moving my stuff as we speak, if those were just vms for services, no biggie but if you run business thats tied to repackaging compute - well, yeah there are better options
- zenapollo 4mo agoContabo, an even cheaper alternative to Hetz, raised prices this month as well by 30-35% as well. Just noting it here because i couldn’t any info elsewhere.
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- marlovovic 4mo agoInteresting, but still very good pricing compared to the enormous increases we now see at Hetzner (plus the increase before that one). I'm wondering if they have more hardware on stock and/or better means of hardware supply. I have a few more or less idle VMs running at different providers, and keeping an eye on the european VPS market it seems that many struggled, while contabo is relatively stable. E.g. ovh at times limited the buying process to 1 instance (now it is at 5, not sure what was the default before) and also available locations were limited at one point a few weeks back.
- CryptoBanker 4mo agoContabo is still notably cheaper than it was 2 years ago. I just shut down a 2 year old VPS and made a new one because it was ~20% cheaper than it was two years ago, and I also get more CPU and more RAM
- moomoo11 4mo agowhat's a good hetzner alternative for US? i'm currently using their hillsboro instances. i'm not going to pay 3-4x more.
- tauntz 4mo ago"Fun" times for services selling micro-VMs running on top of Hetzner bare metal machines for a small margin. 3x increase in input pricing with essentially no notice (there was a 2 weeks notice of "we will change pricing" but no details. People assumed a max of 50% increase, I guess, not 3x)
- 100ms 4mo agoYou knew when they didn't include actual details at the time that something huge was coming
- ramblurr 4mo agoDon't forget these price increases are only for new purchases. Old rentals keep their price.
- 2001zhaozhao 4mo agoWell crap, I was planning on doing this. Although I did plan for OVH-level dedicated server prices, so as long as they don't jack up prices too I'll be fine...
- ulfw 4mo agoEverything is getting stupider by the day. Tech is killing itself until this idiotic bubble bursts. Then we'll be in a decade of drought again like 2001
- alfanick 4mo agoIt's kinda awesome, the DDR prices will go extremely down (lower than before the bubble), and it will be spring time for self-hosted opensource models, cause people will be able to afford the hardware. We just need to wait for the peak.
- Capricorn2481 4mo ago> the DDR prices will go extremely down (lower than before the bubble) Why? From what I understand, Ram production is not ramping up. Even if a bubble does pop, I don't think it's even guaranteed to drop to where it was.
- ascii0eks84 4mo ago2005 - 2015'ish the DDR prices were artificially inflated by factory fires and such in asia. hope it's not going to repeat, need to have some excuse to drive the prices up..
- chadgpt3 4mo agoLiquidation of massive data centers
- jaza 4mo agoAgreed. We enjoyed a decade or more or cheap surplus hardware sitting in data centres, after the dot com crash. Rinse and repeat after the AI bubble bursts in x time from now (my forecast is x = 2-3 years).
- chadgpt3 4mo agoWhere can I see the source code for those models?
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- dcchambers 4mo agoMost people IN TECH still don't realize how much hardware prices are going to continue to increase, much less the 95% of the population that's completely unplugged from what's going on with AI-driven hardware demand. All of these price increases are going to get passed down to consumers eventually via increased prices.
- petesergeant 4mo agoWhy wouldn't production increase to offset this?
- kuschku 4mo ago1. Inelastic supply. It takes quite a while to increase production. 2. Volatility creates uncertainty, which always increases cost. And we've seen extreme volatility in energy prices and tariffs under the current US administration.
- packetsent 4mo agoLooks like my AX162 isn't being retired anytime soon... AX162 (256GB) went from €274 -> €844
- Valodim 4mo agoI'll happily pay the new prices, if they actually have the servers available. Cheap pricing is nice, but not that useful when in practice you can't actually buy most of the time.
- MinimalAction 4mo agoI understand this is ultimately due to AI boom. A couple of naive questions: 1. What's the bottleneck in ramping up RAM production? Is it the availability of silicon itself? Or the factories are at capacity? 2. Is this supposed to ease up despite the AI boom? Definitely would ease up if busted.
- zettabomb 4mo agoThe entire capacity of RAM production is basically booked out, for at least the next year. All fabs have sold their allocations already, and it takes years to build a new one. As a result, no it will likely not ease up if demand continues like this, again for at least a year.
- lenerdenator 4mo agoAlso worth noting: They sold their allocations to people who don't have a clear path to profitability, and were paid with massive amounts of money that don't exist in reality.
- root9876 4mo ago> and were paid with massive amounts of money that don't exist in reality How's that possible?
- lenerdenator 4mo agoCredit.
- kuschku 4mo agoYou know how fractional reserve banking can create money out of thin air? In theory, the stock market can be used in the same way. Which is what the AI providers have been doing.
- chadgpt3 4mo agoI agree to pay you within 90 days of receiving the product, which you'll send me in 6 months. You get to count this promise as income i've paid you right now. 9 months later I might or might not have the money to pay it for real. The principle works for stable regular businesses where invoices do get paid, not for bubbles.
- 0x70dd 4mo agoI’m running a cheap VPS on hetzner. Wanted to bump up my plan but they are out of capacity for some of their plans. Demand is brutal.
- karussell 4mo agoWow. This is crazy. And not only much more expensive but the standardization means you have to buy more disk if you e.g. just need more RAM or similar. And does the standardization mean that I can no longer buy extra hardware? https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/dedicated-server-hardware/price-server-addons/ https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/dedicated-se...
- yread 4mo agoThere can only be so many "I saved 10x by moving to Hetzner" posts before they pick up the value they were leaving on the table...
- ffsm8 4mo agoThe same will happen with the other providers. Hetzner just achieved their pricing by using commodity consumer hardware. This is now making them the canary, as they don't have the multi year business contacts the others have - so they're uniquely vulnerable to the current consumer hardware price increase. But the rest will follow, unless the bubble burst, which is unlikely to happen before the others increase their costs, too
- praseodym 4mo agoJust wait for the hyperscalers to follow suit
- speedgoose 4mo agoI moved to Scaleway one or two price upgrades ago. Be ready to see the same, but with OVH or Scaleway instead.
- TiredOfLife 4mo agoWhich plan? Because even with this hetzner price increase it's still 2-3x cheaper than scaleway.
- speedgoose 4mo agoThe bare metal dediboxes have better value I believe now.
- speedgoose 4mo agoNever mind, the good stuff is out of stock.
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- baba_vanga 4mo ago"And at that time, that's what everybody did. If a hotel wanted electricity, they had their own electric generator. And I looked at this, and I thought, this is what computation is like today. Everybody has their own data center. And that's not gonna last. It makes no sense. You're gonna buy compute off the grid. That's AWS." - Jeff Bezos There are just 3 or 4 DDRAM manufacturers (SK Hynix, Samsung, Micron). They fully intend to make it impractical to purchase a server outside of the hyperscalers.
- hk__2 4mo agoNew prices: https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availability/price-adjustment/ https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availabi... Old prices: https://web.archive.org/web/20260513201413/https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availability/price-adjustment/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260513201413/https://docs.hetz...
- jstummbillig 4mo agoThey are on the linked page?
- ymolodtsov 4mo agoNot for me at least, I had to fire up the console and try creating a new server.
- hyperionultra 4mo agoWe can't factor out greed from this increase. Vote with your wallet! Please.
- FpUser 4mo agoThe solution I think is to tell all of them starting with clouds to go fuck themselves (where possible of course) and start self hosting. I do this for years and am totally happy. I was also hosting on Hetzner and was thinking to do it again for some (not all) services but not with this new wonderful deal.
- da02 4mo agoOther than the price increases, any issues with Hetzner? Any alternatives you would recommend?
- mardix 4mo agoPricing was the "selling" point. People chose Hetzner for their affordable prices compared to anybody else. But when Hetzner is priced like everyone else, it makes it harder to pick them over the giant AWS, GCP, Digital Ocean etc.
- FpUser 4mo agoAWS does not give "bare metal" and the equivalent is still way more expensive. However Hetzner was much preferrable to let's say OVH who also "deals" bare metal but not anymore. So yes Hetzner has lost what I consider was their only advantage.
- chadgpt3 4mo agoAWS, GCP are still more expensive because they are just that greedy.
- roguas 4mo agodigitalocean has better pricing now, im actually migrating stuff right now, gcp also but only slightly
- Aachen 4mo agoWhere do you send emails from?
- xslvrxslwt 4mo agoHetzner has long been affordable due to its subpar latency and protection, making this price increase very questionable. No one has real reason to choose hetzner if it is not affordable. OVH ends it, one Romanian provider as well.
- watermelon0 4mo agoCan you tell more about their subpar latency? I've been using Hetzner for many years, both personally and for business use, and I've not seen any noticeable issues regarding the latency. Granted, my use cases are webapps/backends that are not particularly latency sensitive, and are primarily used from a few European countries. For what's worth, I've seen cases where download speeds from Hetzner are considerably higher than from AWS eu-central-1.
- zuzululu 4mo ago"First you corner the market, then you raise the prices" - Walter White
- chadgpt3 4mo agoyeah, but hetzner isn't in this position, micron is
- nomilk 4mo agoSimilar providers (heroku, aws) haven't increased their compute/ram/ec2/dyno prices recently; why is Hetzner's increase so massive (> 3-4x) - wouldn't increased hardware costs affect everyone else too?
- energy123 4mo agoStep change makes sense for a smaller provider. You bait people to build on top of you with the best prices, then rug pull and hope the switching costs and economic frictions delay the attrition.
- Aissen 4mo agoYes, and they will to preserve margins at some point. They're just doing a huge Mexican standoff, waiting for others to move. All smaller clouds have raised some prices already. They'll probably wait for summer, the world cup finals, or whatever's last big US government thing is so it flies under the radar.
- jovial_cavalier 4mo agoidk if you're comparing like-for-like here. I think on EC2, other customers can balloon up to fill your idle time because they're running on the same physical hardware. What this is talking about is renting hardware that is exclusively earmarked for your usage, so your compute is not fungible with other customers. It's more correctly priced against buying your own hardware and maintaining it yourself.
- avarun 4mo agoThey've tripled on "cloud servers" (shared hardware) as well.
- Shank 4mo agoFor the record, those providers already charged a significant premium for the equivalent compute you could get at Hetzner and OVH. The margins have decreased but they've had a profit margin on compute for a long time.
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- Aldipower 4mo agoAnd the worst for my setup, there is no more ECC RAM available in their offers. At least not unless you pay an insane amount of cash..
- elAhmo 4mo agoIs ECC RAM that much valuable in day to day for non-critical usages?
- Havoc 4mo agoI’ve had it catch a bunch of errors on borderline memory at home. (Despite the memory passing memtests).
- Aachen 4mo agoJust to throw it out there, surely we've ruled out ECC RAM gets away with worse modules because the checking bit will catch it? Because I actually tried to generate bit flips for a project once and we got nothing. Also a relatively high traffic site, registering a few bit flip variants (so like example.com -> fxample.com) got no hits whatsoever across a year. I keep seeing reports from people with ECC or people who found an available bit flip variant of a top X website, but it never happens to me on normal RAM. I can't imagine that ECC vendors are selling worse RAM with a check bit, but the more I read the more I wonder if maybe we should check just to be sure
- toast0 4mo ago> Just to throw it out there, surely we've ruled out ECC RAM gets away with worse modules because the checking bit will catch it? Doubtful. With proper support, you get reports/counts per bitflip. Most people will swap out ram that has any detected bitflips or with a small number anyway. And if you have a significant number, the machine check interupts really kill perf anyway.
- Havoc 4mo agoIt’s quite possible that they’re worse but I doubt it. If you have one product line where error will go undetected and another where it will be visible to the user (and result in returns) the manufacturer incentive is in the opposite direction as what you describe
- BaudouinVH 4mo agoI faintly seem to remember that Netcup is using Hetzner hardware at lower prices. https://www.netcup.com/en/server https://www.netcup.com/en/server
- layer8 4mo agoIt had already been announced end of May that there would be a change: https://www.hetzner.com/pressroom/standardization-and-price-adjustment-of-our-server-products/ https://www.hetzner.com/pressroom/standardization-and-price-...
- zkmon 4mo agoIt is sucking away electricity from cities, making hardware costly for common user, pumping heat into global atmosphere, taking away jobs, creating massive amount of slop, killing human motivation for creativity, making academics and exams harder, creating fakes that are undetectable, filling internet with plastic content, pumping tons of unmaintainable code, wrecking websites ... Still - AI is a great achievement?
- andai 4mo agoYeah. The two are not mutually exclusive.
- Aachen 4mo agoThings do tend to end up being a net positive or negative, though. Even if both aspects are present, it doesn't seem far-fetched that someone with hindsight in the future would conclude that it was overall a bad thing in the middle of an energy/heating crisis. That would imo preclude the label 'great achievement', but time will have to tell (or we adjust how we use it before history decides on a judgement)
- neals 4mo agoI was shopping for this past weekend. I found a 16core 128gb-ram(1!) unit for 110€/month with a competitor. Crazy deal. I suspected it to be a mistake, but after 24 hours it actually came online. Runs very smooth.
- esafak 4mo agoWhere??
- jwr 4mo ago"applies to new orders" big sigh of relief So glad I got all I needed recently.
- romaniv 4mo agoAI seems to be ruining every single major thing that drove economic growth for the past 4 decades. PCs, the Web, software in general, high-capacity servers, Raspberry Pis and so on. The next thing to be affected will probably be smartphones. All of these things are foundations of profitable businesses right now and we are destroying them on the mere promise to get to some idiotic utopia in the future.
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- chadgpt3 4mo agoAI is a nothingburger, it's just the latest capital flight. Undeployed capital needs to go somewhere and this time it's AI, last time cryptocurrency, before that metaverse. One might reasonably ask why these bubbles keep getting bigger and bigger and the answer to that is almost entirely USA government policy which is to squeeze labor and expand capital at every opportunity.
- esskay 4mo agoGetting close to losing any point of them existing. They were the cheap one. You take that away and their unique offering vanishes and makes them pretty pointless to even consider as a provider. Really hope they can sort out something for their hardware sourcing as this isn't sustainable.
- nine_k 4mo agoThe above assumes that other providers will not do their own adjustments.
- esskay 4mo agoThis is Hetzner's third increase this year. Not seeing any sort of similar levels of recurring price hikes from the other big vps providers.
- Aldipower 4mo agoOVH suddenly seems cheap. :-P :-D
- esskay 4mo agoSadly they raised theirs in march[1] and will probably have to do it again as the'll be in a fairly similar position. [1] https://blog.ovhcloud.com/pricing-evolution-of-public-cloud-bare-metal-and-vps-at-ovhcloud/ https://blog.ovhcloud.com/pricing-evolution-of-public-cloud-...
- Aeolun 4mo agoYeah. If Hetzner prices are equivalent to AWS, what is the point in choosing them.
- CGamesPlay 4mo agoDon't forget to count your EBS and egress fees when you make your AWS spreadsheet.
- Daviey 4mo agoAs a long term metal customer, I understood the need to raise prices for energy usage.... but for disk/ram I'm struggling to be sympathetic. The hardware I am using is already procured by them, and until such time there is a hardware failure I cannot support a price rise, because were is their justification for existing hardware?
- greyb 4mo agoBecause in a free market, making rational choices about pricing in line with the industry allows you to build capital to further expand, which coincidentally also lets you buy more RAM.
- Stitch4223 4mo agoThey will need to buy new hardware too I guess…
- tzs 4mo agoAn ongoing business that intends to remain ongoing has to charge current customers based on the replacement cost of consumable items used to service those customers. That's why for example gasoline prices react almost immediately after something affects (or even threatens to affect) the price of crude oil, even at gas stations that have just filled their storage tanks and will be selling that already purchases gas for quite a while. Most of us don't usually thing of computer hardware as a consumable but to a hosting business it effectively is.
- Daviey 4mo agoA better analogy is renting a car, and then jacking up prices for existing rentals, rather than just new ones.
- t0mas88 4mo agoThey are not raising prices for existing contracts, only new ones.
- pocksuppet 4mo agoThe last price increase was 5-10%. This one is a 150% increase. Goodbye Hetzner. The old version of you will be missed.
- duckmysick 4mo agoWhere are you moving to?
- TurdF3rguson 4mo agoContabo price hasn't changed. I'm thinking of locking in some more VPS before it goes up.
- qingcharles 4mo agoI needed to spin up a tiny little logging server this morning. Someone on Reddit recommended Datalix, so I'm trying their €2.50/mo VPS.
- jLaForest 4mo agoDatalix seems fully sold out to me
- avarun 4mo agoBuried multiple links and scrolling deep, but looks like they're tripling prices for cloud servers in the US. What's the next best option now?
- Aeolun 4mo agohttps://ioflood.com/ https://ioflood.com/
- dllrr 4mo agoI just used Claude to convert my app to a serverless architecture and migrated to Cloudflare and their generous tiers. Not every app fits that model, but it's more than you'd think. Now I only pay when the app is used, not a penny more.
- alberth 4mo agoI use to be a huge Hetzner fan but it doesn't appear they have launch any new hardware in the past 3-years. One of the reasons why I loved Hetzner so much is that you could always get the latest generation hardware ... but unless I have missed it - it seems like their hardware hasn't been refreshed in awhile. (Still really like them, just wish they had dedicated servers in the US as well) EDIT: maybe what I use in hardware is uncommon, but have been wanting an update to their AX102 line https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax102-u/ https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax102-u/
- antonkochubey 4mo agoit's not that bad, EX63 dedicated servers were a great deal until this week (especially with 192 GB ECC RAM upgrade) and it has a 2025 CPU, for example
- nemomarx 4mo agoIs there a lot of new enterprise server hardware coming out lately? Consumer stuff has been stagnant with all the ram cost issues so I could see servers running into similar issues.
- chrisandchris 4mo agoProliant G12 was introduced end of 2024, and based on their previous lifecycle I guess they will at least last 3-5 years before a new line comes.
- fuzzy2 4mo agoHetzner is almost exclusively offering consumer-grade hardware.
- tencentshill 4mo agoThey are attempting to refresh it now, it's just the worst possible time to do it. Prices are at a peak (hopefully).
- HackerThemAll 4mo agoI tried to sign up to Hetzner services once. They wanted photo of my government ID, and almost all my personal data, full dossier. So I abstained. None of OVH, GCP, AWS, Azure wanted so much data about me, and I run my services in all of them successfully. Not in Hetzner. Sorry Hetzner, you're too data-hungry. Nothing you say justifies that.
- littlecranky67 4mo agoThey price hiked my existing CCX13 from 16€ to 43€ - that is a 2.6x price increase (!). Technically they didn't increase it yet, for as long as I don't order a new one or rescale (up/down) they let me use the old price. This is insane (it is a cloud server, with 2 dedicated cores and 8 GB RAM).
- civvv 4mo agoYeah, I host three small-scale game servers for an indie-game, all out of pocket. 50-80 players hop on every day and the community is super nice. Its been possible because the price has been €16 per instance, but with these new prices, it will absolutely not be possible anymore. I imagine a lot of small game server communities will meet the same fate now, since Hetzner has been the go-to for this kind of stuff.
- Tepix 4mo agoThere's always lowendbox.com but Hetzner was more reliable than most of those vendors.
- noxvilleza 4mo agoI run a few stats site for a video game, and the overall hosting right now is ~€220 on Hetzner for a AX51-NVMe + AX61-NVMe + some extra SSDs + HDDs --- so that's the same price as just a AX42-1 in the new pricing model which is insane. If one of the servers goes down I'd need to likely shut down one of the projects or massively change the architecture.
- tomschwiha 4mo agoWhat do you mean with if the server goes down? As far as I know Hetzner will replace tje hardware for free: "Support services include the free replacement of defective hardware."
- noxvilleza 4mo agoI think that's true provided they have replacement hardware - for harddrives/RAM that's almost always true, but a few years ago I had an EOL motherboard issue and was forced into moving to a different server that was a bit more expensive.
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- deepsun 4mo agoYou can reply to emails faster and so have more time for hobbies. /s
- gdhkgdhkvff 4mo agoI’m very on the pro-ai side (check my comment history for proof), but this “ai will give us more free time” logic is seeming more and more patronizing (to be clear, I understand that you are being sarcastic haha). I was listening to a podcast a couple days ago and Brad Gerstner was on and mentioned that with how AI is boosting productivity that perhaps one member of a household would be able to start staying home from work if they wanted. I shut off the podcast after that (to be fair, the podcast just seemed to be one massive SpaceX IPO pump). It’s just so divorced from reality and every new advancement is just making *higher expectations for doing more work*. The unfortunate reality is: Companies that are selling ai will sell that ai will make life easier. Companies that are buying ai will demand more from employees using ai (why else would they buy it?).
- __s 4mo agoYep. With ai tooling I can keep prompting at 3am while sleep deprived. As a result I have mountains of slop plans / code to review. Hours of work which can't be matched by anyone who thinks they can poke a prompt for the day & go
- 9cb14c1ec0 4mo agoIt turns out the demand for software is so great that even when it can be produced instantly at zero cost demand still far outstrips supply.
- chrisandchris 4mo agoJust as happened with the horse, with the car, with the steam machine, with the industrialization in general, ... oh wait, we still have to work 8-10 hours 5 days a week, times two, to make enough for a living. So when exactly is this productivity going to hit that doubles my income?
- minraws 4mo agoWell we are officially fucked. That's some increase, not angry against hetzner they might have been forced, but man is this sad. I built a homelab before the crisis started which might allow me to survive this for the next few years. But man am I sad about folks trying to build new projects.
- ianberdin 4mo agoI say hello to every happy HN and twitter post “we moved to hetzner and saved 10X”. I told ya about silent happiness…
- csunbird 4mo agothey still save 3-5x
- omnimus 4mo agoYou are saying that like it's some kind of rag pull. This is situation of the market. The people who moved still saved the money and are still saving money because Hetzner is still cheaper and they are also paying the old prices. It's pretty silent happiness over at the Hetzner camp.
- chadgpt3 4mo agoNow you are still saving 3x. You underestimate how expensive AWS is. If you already moved you're still saving 10x because the increases are for new orders.
- zrm 4mo agoIt seems like what's missing here is lower cost plans, because the existing plans had been fairly affordable, but now they're basically triple. The least expensive one seems to be CPX11, old price $6.99, new price $20.49. That's 2GB RAM, 40GB SSD. RAM and SSD are now much more expensive, fair enough, but maybe I don't need all that for my mostly-idle VM, so then where's the plan with ~0.67GB RAM and ~13GB SSD for the old price?
- IsTom 4mo agoIt's wild how much more expensive they are in the US compared to Europe.
- rvnx 4mo agoSalaries
- kay_o 4mo agoMy recollection is that Hetzner own all they DC in .de, self built, land incl. however .us and .sg are standard DC colo/rack
- bflesch 4mo agoUS customers have much higher budgets (startup funding) and create much more hassle (wars, tariffs, overall humiliation) than European customers. It's a bold decision but they are apparently seeing a lot of demand and I'd say let the American customers pay for the costs they are causing. Call it symbolic "freedom fee" and they're happy about it.
- declan_roberts 4mo agoI built a new computer with lots of RAM and a nice NVMe drive about a year ago, and I feel like I hit the jackpot with timing. But just like a low-interest rate mortgage, I'm going to be stuck with this thing for a long time, it seems.
- mfuzzey 4mo agoThere are large (x2, x3) price rises for US based servers but the German / Sweedish ones show much more reasonable increases ~30%
- totallygeeky 4mo agoLittle bit of number crunching shows that the median increase is 112%, so a 2.12x increase. Median for GER/FIN region is 120%, USA region is 157%, and Singapore is 71%. Worst of all increases is the Euro pricing for USA plan CPX41 with a 209% increase, or 3.09x. Raw number comparison for those interested: Tried to format it to be readable but its [Plan] [Old Hourly] [New Hourly] [Percent Change] [Old Monthly] [New Monthly] [Percent Change] Germany (FSN/NBG) / Finland (HEL) Euro Product OLDHR NEWHR Δ%HR OLDMTH NEWMTH Δ%MTH CAX11 0.0072 0.0096 33.33% 4.49 5.99 33.41% CAX21 0.0128 0.0168 31.25% 7.99 10.49 31.29% CAX31 0.0256 0.0336 31.25% 15.99 20.99 31.27% CAX41 0.0505 0.0657 30.10% 31.49 40.99 30.17% CCX13 0.0256 0.0689 169.14% 15.99 42.99 168.86% CCX23 0.0505 0.1378 172.87% 31.49 85.99 173.07% CCX33 0.1001 0.2219 121.68% 62.49 138.49 121.62% CCX43 0.2003 0.4423 120.82% 124.99 275.99 120.81% CCX53 0.4006 0.855 113.43% 249.99 533.49 113.40% CCX63 0.6001 1.3678 127.93% 374.49 853.49 127.91% CPX22 0.0128 0.0312 143.75% 7.99 19.49 143.93% CPX32 0.0224 0.0569 154.02% 13.99 35.49 153.68% CPX42 0.0408 0.1114 173.04% 25.49 69.49 172.62% CPX52 0.0585 0.161 175.21% 36.49 100.49 175.39% CPX62 0.0809 0.2083 157.48% 50.49 129.99 157.46% CX23 0.0064 0.0088 37.50% 3.99 5.49 37.59% CX33 0.0104 0.0136 30.77% 6.49 8.49 30.82% CX43 0.0192 0.0256 33.33% 11.99 15.99 33.36% CX53 0.036 0.0473 31.39% 22.49 29.49 31.12% Germany (FSN/NBG) / Finland (HEL) Dollar Product OLDHR NEWHR Δ%HR OLDMTH NEWMTH Δ%MTH CAX11 0.0088 0.0112 27.27% 5.49 6.99 27.32% CAX21 0.0152 0.02 31.58% 9.49 12.49 31.61% CAX31 0.0296 0.04 35.14% 18.49 24.99 35.15% CAX41 0.0593 0.0777 31.03% 36.99 48.49 31.09% CCX13 0.0296 0.0809 173.31% 18.49 50.49 173.07% CCX23 0.0593 0.1626 174.20% 36.99 101.49 174.37% CCX33 0.1186 0.2612 120.24% 73.99 162.99 120.29% CCX43 0.2364 0.5216 120.64% 147.49 325.49 120.69% CCX53 0.4727 1.0088 113.41% 294.99 629.49 113.39% CCX63 0.7083 1.6138 127.84% 441.99 1006.99 127.83% CPX22 0.0152 0.0368 142.11% 9.49 22.99 142.26% CPX32 0.0256 0.0673 162.89% 15.99 41.99 162.60% CPX42 0.0481 0.1314 173.18% 29.99 81.99 173.39% CPX52 0.0689 0.1907 176.78% 42.99 118.99 176.79% CPX62 0.0953 0.2452 157.29% 59.49 152.99 157.17% CX23 0.008 0.0104 30.00% 4.99 6.49 30.06% CX33 0.0128 0.016 25.00% 7.99 9.99 25.03% CX43 0.0224 0.0296 32.14% 13.99 18.49 32.17% CX53 0.0425 0.0561 32.00% 26.49 34.99 32.09% USA (ASH/HIL) Euro Product OLDHR NEWHR Δ%HR OLDMTH NEWMTH Δ%MTH CCX13 0.0272 0.0697 156.25% 16.99 43.49 155.97% CCX23 0.0545 0.1402 157.25% 33.99 87.49 157.40% CCX33 0.1042 0.2259 116.79% 64.99 140.99 116.94% CCX43 0.2083 0.4479 115.03% 129.99 279.49 115.01% CCX53 0.4167 0.863 107.10% 259.99 538.49 107.12% CCX63 0.625 1.3782 120.51% 389.99 853.49 118.85% CPX11 0.0096 0.028 191.67% 5.99 17.49 191.99% CPX21 0.0192 0.0513 167.19% 11.99 31.99 166.81% CPX31 0.0336 0.1001 197.92% 20.99 62.49 197.71% CPX41 0.0625 0.1931 208.96% 38.99 120.49 209.03% CPX51 0.125 0.3814 205.12% 77.99 237.99 205.15% USA (ASH/HIL)Dollar Product OLDHR NEWHR Δ%HR OLDMTH NEWMTH Δ%MTH CCX13 0.032 0.0817 155.31% 19.99 50.99 155.08% CCX23 0.0641 0.165 157.41% 39.99 102.99 157.54% CCX33 0.1234 0.266 115.56% 76.99 165.99 115.60% CCX43 0.246 0.528 114.63% 153.49 329.49 114.67% CCX53 0.492 1.0184 106.99% 306.99 635.49 107.01% CCX63 0.738 1.642 122.49% 460.49 1014.49 120.31% CPX11 0.0112 0.0328 192.86% 6.99 20.49 193.13% CPX21 0.0224 0.0601 168.30% 13.99 37.49 167.98% CPX31 0.04 0.1178 194.50% 24.99 73.49 194.08% CPX41 0.0745 0.2267 204.30% 46.49 141.49 204.35% CPX51 0.1482 0.4479 202.23% 92.49 279.49 202.18% Singapore (SIN) Euro Product OLDHR NEWHR Δ%HR OLDMTH NEWMTH Δ%MTH CCX13 0.0441 0.0865 96.15% 27.49 53.99 96.40% CCX23 0.0825 0.1739 110.79% 51.49 108.49 110.70% CCX33 0.1554 0.2796 79.92% 96.99 174.49 79.91% CCX43 0.286 0.5465 91.08% 178.49 340.99 91.04% CCX53 0.613 1.0449 70.46% 382.49 651.99 70.46% CCX63 1.0048 1.661 65.31% 626.99 1,036.49 65.31% CPX12 0.0128 0.0248 93.75% 7.99 15.49 93.87% CPX22 0.0256 0.0425 66.02% 15.99 26.49 65.67% CPX32 0.0521 0.0785 50.67% 32.49 48.99 50.78% CPX42 0.0897 0.1498 67.00% 55.99 93.49 66.98% CPX52 0.125 0.2155 72.40% 77.99 134.49 72.45% CPX62 0.161 0.2756 58.42% 100.49 171.99 58.43% Singapore (SIN) Dollar Product OLDHR NEWHR Δ%HR OLDMTH NEWMTH Δ%MTH CCX13 0.0521 0.1017 95.20% 32.49 63.49 95.41% CCX23 0.0969 0.2051 111.66% 60.49 127.99 111.59% CCX33 0.1835 0.3301 79.89% 114.49 205.99 79.92% CCX43 0.3373 0.6442 90.99% 210.49 401.99 90.98% CCX53 0.7235 1.2332 70.45% 451.49 769.49 70.43% CCX63 1.1851 1.9607 65.45% 739.49 1,223.49 65.45% CPX12 0.0152 0.0288 89.47% 9.49 17.99 89.57% CPX22 0.0296 0.0497 67.91% 18.49 30.99 67.60% CPX32 0.0617 0.0929 50.57% 38.49 57.99 50.66% CPX42 0.1058 0.1763 66.64% 65.99 109.99 66.68% CPX52 0.1482 0.254 71.39% 92.49 158.49 71.36% CPX62 0.1899 0.3253 71.30% 118.49 202.99 71.31%
- shibel 4mo agoThis is crazy. I just got the CCX33 last week to migrate a Heroku db to it, that seems to have jumped over 100% now…? Need to reconsider Edit: just noticed this is not retroactive. Still concerning looking forward.
- AltruisticGapHN 4mo agoDamn. I set up a 2vCPU 4GB RAM VPS on Linode for my web app (Linode 4GB). Was ready to move there. Then I found Hetzner has servers in the US and I could get more for my budget (~30$/month). Not anymore! CPX22 (2vCPU 4GB) seems to be the exact same price as Linode 4GB (24$/month). Linode dashboard is really good.
- andrepd 4mo agoIs there a summary of price increases?
- chadgpt3 4mo agoSummary: everything is 3 to 5 times more expensive. Existing plans grandfathered in. Existing servers will come back into circulation at their previous prices as they get canceled. Don't buy.
- winterbourne 4mo agoThis gives permission for all other providers to do the same.
- htx80nerd 4mo ago"price adjustment" isnt 2x+ price adjustment is like 5% or 10%
- Aeolun 4mo agoPrice adjustment?! They just doubled their prices in some instances.
- noIdeaTheSecond 4mo agoAs a european and person valuing my privacy I wanted to chose an European provider, so far not impressed with their customer service...
- AussieWog93 4mo agoAnother commenter mentioned this is about a huge leap in RAM and disk prices. But why did the the CX33 only go up by €2 whereas the CPX32 went up by €21.50? Both have 8GB of RAM, but the CPX32 has 80GB more storage and a bigger slice of CPU time. You can see the same trend with CX23 vs CPX22. In fact, CPX22 is now more than twice the price of CX23, despite having the same amount of disk and half the RAM. Is there a CPU shortage now too?
- sinpif 4mo agoTime to optimize your software stack. Stop using slow interpreted languages & bloated "scaling" setups in favour of tightly integrated natively compiled systems.
- Implicated 4mo agoJust throwing it out there I've got an AX162-R (48c EPYC) with 128GB additional memory (384GB DDR5 total) that's been running a side project of mine for a year or so... I could be talked into moving that project if someone had a need for the hardware.
- kopirgan 4mo agoAI is no different from machine doing what took people earlier. In fact on the scale of many other things (spinning Jenny that could replace dozens, for one) this is probably benign. Because it also multiplies costs. Earlier innovations not only did it faster with less manpower, they did it cheaper too! We are still around, enjoying fairly decent lifestyles for the most part, if you take away effect of politics, governance etc.
- zx8080 4mo agoPrice hike in Germany is minimal comparing to other DCs. Anyone knows why?
- RagnarD 4mo agoI've had pretty good experiences with GTHost: https://gthost.com/ https://gthost.com/
- sammy2255 4mo agoA very welcome price hike
- throwaway2037 4mo agoThe price changes in Europe look reasonable, but US/SG are wild.
- awllau 4mo agoSo happy I came across this. Need to rethink a few projects.
- OutOfHere 4mo agoWhen will people realize that Hetzner is not a good company? It is pretty bad to its customers.
- jm4 4mo agoI use a cheapo VPS there to host some git repositories. It's going from $6.99/mo to $20.49. Who in their right mind would pay that for a 2 core/2 GB VPS? It makes me wonder if they are trying to shed some unwanted customers.
- chadgpt3 4mo agoYou continue to pay the old price as long as you don't change your plan!
- jm4 4mo agoThat's good to know. Still, I'm stuck on that little instance. Scaling it means an exorbitant price increase. I would just leave for another provider at that point - and maybe that's what they're going for. They're not kicking people out immediately but making it uncomfortable to stay. I would hypothesize that there's a lot more customer churn at the lower price points than there is in the higher tiers and when you get into dedicated servers. You're dealing with people who spin up a cheap VPS, mess around with it for a while and then delete it. Or maybe the kinds of customers whose payment card expires and they don't bother to update it because they're not using that $7 VPS for that little pet project they forgot about. Payments fail and then the VPS runs for a few more weeks before they finally have to delete it due to non-payment. Higher prices filter out the unserious people who are a higher risk for churn. What they're left with is bigger customers with bigger footprints who lock in long term rates. Of course, this is pure speculation on my part.
- r0b05 4mo agoThey are out of Ampere cloud instances as well. Where is a good place to get Ampere instances with similar cost and stability?
- YuriiKholodkov 4mo ago[flagged]
- mellosouls 4mo agoShades of the recent GitHub Copilot price hikes; class-leader in value to also-ran. I wonder if there are underlying component cost connections or just corporate politics and the cold hands of the profit-people.
- lylo 4mo agoHetzner could win back some of that love if they release the long-rumoured managed Postgres offering at a price that undercuts most of the competition.
- preisschild 4mo agoI'd prefer that they concentrate on the "cloud servers" (better networking, more availability, BOYIP via BGP). You can always just host Postgres yourself on one of those servers.
- lylo 4mo agoyeah that's what i do, but i kinda would like managed where i don't have to think about it ;)
- chadgpt3 4mo agoHow much would you be willing to pay for managed Postgres?
- lylo 4mo agoHalf the price of https://www.ubicloud.com/use-cases/postgresql https://www.ubicloud.com/use-cases/postgresql?
- SweetSoftPillow 4mo agoI've been using their managed PostgreSQL for years. PostgreSQL is available on all of their managed servers (mx**).
- lylo 4mo agothat's not managed. that's just running PostresQL on a server, which is what I do already. I mean managed like https://www.ubicloud.com/use-cases/postgresql https://www.ubicloud.com/use-cases/postgresql
- piokoch 4mo agoThat's the difference between European and US companies and that's exemplification of the problem that Europe has. A big problem. Firstly, Hetzner is really great, they have good service, good offers, they are rock solid, they shine especially in dedicated servers area - often better than all the cloud fad for many, many applications that does not need to scale crazily. Having said that... They expanded to a certain level and... just stopped. They do not have services that are making AWS/Azure attractive (all this identity/security stuff, MS Exchange like functionality), they are not even providing any viable messaging service, etc. Basic stuff. As a result, companies who would even like to use them because they are solid, reliable, etc. simply can't, as Hetzner is missing basic services from business perspective. So, they are not able to jump to the first league, have big customers, make big money, be able to invest into custom chips/infra, they are 100% dependent on US and Chinese providers. When something happens, like certain hardware shortage they are on the mercy of others and stop being able to compete. Frankly, I don't fully get what the problem is. Luck of founders with vision, all those Jobs, Wozs, Zukerbergs, Elons, Bezosses? Luck of boring but effective CEOs (people like Eric Schmidt or Satya Nadella)?
- chadgpt3 4mo ago"Do one thing, and do it well." Do you want hetzner identity management? Why? Xkcd standards situation? They host servers, that is what they do, I buy groceries from Walmart and I don't complain Walmart doesn't support Azure Entra ID. They are reliable because they do one thing.
- fxwin 4mo agoMe, a german, looking at my CAX11: this doesn't seem too bad Americans:
- hudo 4mo agoI don't get it, I have server for 5 years, its old hardware, nothing changed, why would they increase it?
- Liriel 4mo agoPrices are going insane, and I am going for an alternative provider in the US. I have 5 app nodes, 2 background workers, 1 DB replica, and 4 dev/staging instances. On new Hetzner US pricing: 5 x CCX23 (app nodes): $514.95/mo 2 x CCX13 (workers): $101.98/mo 1 x CCX23 (DB replica): $102.99/mo 4 x CX33 (dev/staging): $39.96/mo Total: ~$759/mo or $9,108/year On 3HCloud with equivalent specs: 5 x 16 GB 4 vCPU dedicated: $160/mo 2 x 8 GB 2 vCPU dedicated: $32/mo 1 x 16 GB 4 vCPU dedicated: $32/mo 4 x 4 GB 2 vCPU shared: $24/mo Storage ~250 GB total (SSD smart): ~$7.50/mo Total: ~$255/mo or $3,066/year I will let you do the math.
- binarymax 4mo agoLooks great. But will 3hCloud be able to sustain those prices?
- Liriel 4mo agoI don't think anyone can guarantee anything here, but I am going to bet that they will be a better-priced alternative.
- freefaler 4mo agoThanks Liriel how stable are they and how is 3HCloud support?
- Liriel 4mo agoSo far I haven't had any trouble, and they have servers right where I need them.
- freefaler 4mo agoAlso they're mostly a VPS provider with some "dedicated servers" available after you talk to sales. Hetzner is great because you can build from dedicated servers your own infra and not suffer the multi tenant issues on virtualized servers. (IOPS exhaustion for example)
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- patrickdavey 4mo agoI haven't looked into it thoroughly yet, but, at some point it'll be worth looking at getting a static IP address and using Cloudflare tunnels to serve toyish projects from your home netwerk. Just need to work out how to firewall it properly from the rest of the home network.
- cuu508 4mo agoA dumb and simple solution is separate physical routers for the home stuff and for the homelab stuff. Each group of clients is behind its own NAT.
- RantyDave 4mo agoMoving my crap onto an old laptop and some kind of tunnel thing ... tomorrow. Those are some huge increases.
- yeoyeo42 4mo agoNot ragebait, actual question. Isn't this kind of scenario exactly the kind of thing where capitalism is supposed to generate a lot of competition that makes everything higher quality and cheaper for the end consumer? There is giga hyper demand for various computing products and this will likely continue for many years to come - is it likely that we will have some serious competitors to the big manufacturers (for evertyhing from silicon to the end products) a couple of years from now? Or is that unlikely based on the sheer expertise, capital, and time needed to get something out the door?
- AlecSchueler 4mo agoThe shortage is currently caused by the big players refusing to up their output because it seems likely the current increased demand is only a spike which will flatten out again in a year or two. I imagine that's the same reason it isn't appealing for new players as, indeed, by the time they get over the humps of "sheer expertise, capital, and time" etc. the bubble might have burst.
- y2244 4mo agoMy guess is that due to AI Hetzner are having to invest heavily in GPU servers and these price increases are to allow this investment.
- qeternity 4mo agoThere is a huge amount of vendor financing available for this exact reason. Hetzner presumably have been making use of this for years already. It's far more likely they simply began raising prices and realized the market would tolerate it.
- AmazingTurtle 4mo agoI am now moving my stuff to cloudflare. Worker, Pages, R2, D1, heck even Hyperdrive with Neon or Supabase.
- robeym 4mo agoAh yes the bait and switch. Didn't take long. Win some market share from unhappy AWS customers, hike the prices later
- handzhiev 4mo agoAre the existing customers grandfathered to the old prices (at least for now)? I don't see the increase in my account.
- amonith 4mo agoCome on, the article wasn't even that long :P "Existing server contracts will keep their terms and conditions and remain active. The changes apply exclusively to new orders and rescales of existing servers, as well as the future products that we will introduct using the new product structure."
- chadgpt3 4mo agoThe link goes halfway down the page so many people won't have scrolled up to the top.
- arielcostas 4mo agoYes, this price hike is only for new servers or if you rescale, unlike the one in April that applied to everyone.
- jgalt212 4mo agoSo are Hetzer VMs now only 1/2 the price of AWS rather than 1/5?
- shakalandy 4mo agoHetzner Founder and CEO Martin Hetzner shared a response to the critics in the Hetzner Forum (user benji) over here: https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/32635-standardisierung-und-preisanpassung-unserer-server-produkte-ab-15-juni-2026-stan/&postID=313155#post313155 https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/32635-standardisi... Translated from German via Claude: "For better understanding, I would like to provide some additional notes: Hetzner Online's pricing strategy has remained unchanged for many years. Our prices are based on the respective purchasing conditions as well as internal operating costs. The key pricing factors — for example, depreciation periods and profit margins — have remained constant over many years and will continue to do so. The past nine months were an exception. During this period, we have increasingly subsidized new server hardware and passed on the increased purchasing costs to our customers only with significant delay. We are currently observing a similar development at numerous other data center operators as well. The increased purchasing prices will likely lead to a new market level. However, our established price-performance ratio will change as a result only temporarily — if at all — until the market has adjusted to the new conditions. Hetzner Online has always stood for an outstanding price-performance ratio, and that will not change in the future either. I am convinced that the current hardware crisis will neither sustainably improve nor worsen our competitive position. Rather, I expect that our relative position in the market will hardly change even within the new pricing structure. In the short term, shifts may indeed occur, since the individual market participants make their price adjustments at different points in time. In the medium and long term, however, I do not expect any significant changes to the competitive landscape."
- awongh 4mo agoafaik prices for the big cloud providers haven't changed this much. Their instance prices are already inflated and they're probably willing to eat into their own margins to keep prices stable and just wait out the capex increase (also probably a drop in the bucket next to the hyperscale rollout). People love to say how great it is for these alt clouds to have lower prices, until they're exposed to market forces with a company unable or unwilling to eat their profit margins.
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- bojangleslover 4mo ago"Death of personal computing" Renewed M1 Mac in 2026: <$400 Entry level MacBook in 2006: $1099 This hardware price spike is just a blip.
- chadgpt3 4mo ago"Death of me" Number of living cells when I'm 99: 100000000000000 Number of living cells when I'm a 2 day embryo: 50 This decline in my living cells is just a blip
- hecifato 4mo agoOracle cut their Always Free ARM offering in half CPU & memory-wise, Hetzner is increasing prices by up to 300%. I think that this is going to push even more people to pick up a mini PC and forward ports to it on their LAN.
- chadgpt3 4mo agoMaybe I should start a port-forwarding business.
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- renaudg 4mo agoI am no environmental activist, but Hetzner's carbon footprint is so much worse than the rest that it's hard to ignore. I've always avoided them as a matter of principle. Two of their 3 datacenters are located in Germany, which has some of the worst carbon emissions in Europe due to their stubborn refusal of nuclear and reliance on coal/gas. As I write this, we're talking 20x higher carbon intensity compared to France or the Nordics (https://app.electricitymaps.com/ https://app.electricitymaps.com/). Besides carbon, coal-related air pollution is responsible for dozens of thousands of early deaths per year in Europe, and Germany has 6 of the top 10 worst offending plants. Until they fix that (not anytime soon), it's not a country that should be hosting foreign workloads on top of their national needs. Hetzner seem to have a DC in Finland, which can only be better. Not sure if prices are competitive. Scaleway and OVH are good alternatives if you want to host in Western Europe.
- Hetzner_OL 4mo agoHi there, we use a power supplier that uses renewable hydropower in Germany and Finland. See: https://www.hetzner.com/unternehmen/nachhaltigkeit/ https://www.hetzner.com/unternehmen/nachhaltigkeit/ --Katie (Hetzner)
- fuckinpuppers 4mo agoHoly shit this is a big bump on a lot of them. I’m so tired of this timeline. Rich people pillaging everything, governments happily allowing it, cost of living rising everywhere, a lot of environmental improvements have been put on pause (to prioritize profits for the aforementioned people) Everything keeps going up.
- stojano 4mo agocrazy price increases... my side projects just got killed cloud up to 3x inexistent auction servers AI must really be something. waiting for the bear...