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Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK
- sebastien_b 9mo ago[dead]
- saubeidl 9mo agoAmericans, your Mad King is putting us all in grave danger. Would you please do something about it?
- selectodude 9mo agoUnfortunately our federal government is more than powerful enough to take Greenland and mow us all down. I am genuinely sorry that Atlanticism came down to a few hundred thousand of the dumbest Midwesterners we could find.
- nibbleyou 9mo agoDon't the Americans have the second amendment to save themselves from their government?
- kentm 9mo ago“Second Amendment solutions” are only OK to talk about if you’re a Republican (I.e. “Real American”). I’m being sarcastic, for the record. Back during his first term, Trump talked about “second amendment people” doing something about liberal Supreme Court justices (iirc) and the right wing media treated everyone as crazy for thinking that was wildly inappropriate.
- nibbleyou 9mo agoIt's really interesting how the same propaganda is applied by fascist governments everywhere. The ones supporting the "nationalist" government are the patriots and the others are enemies
- __turbobrew__ 9mo agoThe second amendment almost ended the current government.
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- hdgvhicv 9mo agoThe average Waco wacko can’t possible to fight even a small contingent from the local national guard, let alone a military with trillions of dollars of meteriel All the assault weapons you can store in your shed are useless when an f35 takes them out from 300 miles away.
- DetectDefect 9mo ago> an f35 takes them out from 300 miles away. Ah yes, and if I recall, that is how the US won in Vietnam ... oh wait. Your comment is a perfect example of the very problem I described.
- kyboren 9mo agoYes, that is exactly how the US "lost" in Vietnam: Not having air power take them out from 300 miles away. I put "lost" in scare quotes because that "loss" is debatable, but that's a debate for another time. The broader context was that the Indochina War was partially concurrent with, and the bulk of the combat only a little more than a decade after, Chinese intervention in the Korean War. The White House was simply terrified of the Chinese and put all sorts of restrictions on US forces that effectively guaranteed the US could never win an outright military victory. Hanoi was declared off-limits to US bombers while Soviet and Chinese materiel flooded into the DRV, foreign pilots (including Soviets and North Koreans) were allowed to operate with impunity, airbases just over the Chinese border were used as safe havens for combat missions yet were off-limits to US pilots, over 180k Chinese troops rotated through Vietnam operating AAA batteries and such, etc. etc. So yes, US unwillingness (arguably, inability) to apply air power where it could actually achieve strategic effects played a very large role in ensuring the US could never win an outright military victory in Vietnam. It's an open question whether the proper application of air power could have enabled such an outright military victory. Certainly the US could and would apply air power to any serious domestic insurrection. There would be no targeting restrictions for fear of foreign escalation. There would be no influx of foreign aid and materiel. There would be no foreign pilots flying training and combat missions and no foreign troops manning foreign SAMs. There would be no foreign safe havens for rebels. The conditions that IMO prevented an outright US military victory in Vietnam simply do not exist in a domestic context. Barring the coordinated defection of a significant portion of the US military, any armed insurrection in the US would be quickly crushed.
- pseudosavant 9mo agoThe truth is that on average Republicans have way more guns that Democrats. Anecdata but… I’ve personally known many Republicans who have massive gun collections and even personal shooting ranges in their basement. I’ve never met a Democrat with any of that. Only one side of this conflict is meaningfully armed and they are already in power.
- djeastm 9mo agoWell 40% of the population or so approves of the administration, so it's more like "to save themselves from their government and 40% of the rest of the population". That means resorting to the 2A is, at the very best, a rather weak bet.
- fatbird 9mo agoThere have been multiple instances of exactly what NRA members decry as federal tyranny: Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc. At not a single one did any number of people exercising their second amendment right ever show up to actually do anything, even to peacefully protest. The idea that the 2nd amendment exists to keep alive a threat of rebellion against a tyrannical gov't is a joke.
- wyldfire 9mo agoWould that it were so easy to blame the flyover states. Almost half the people who cast votes voted for this - and at the same time voted for the status quo legislators who opt not to keep him in check.
- selectodude 9mo agoThe blame extends equally to everybody who supported this but due to the way American elections are set up, those people on the margins are “how” this happened.
- binary132 9mo agoIt’s easier to blame the heartland than it is to think about why it happened that way, isn’t it?
- selectodude 9mo agoI’ve long since stopped giving a fuck about why these people are the way they are.
- binary132 9mo agoenjoy the decline then I suppose
- Geonode 9mo agoHe won the popular vote.
- leviathant 9mo ago...among the people who voted. There are a lot of folks who opted out that bear responsibility for the way this country and its power is being dismantled. He wouldn't win the popular vote today! Why is it that when you call yourself a Republican, you take a very narrow margin of victory and consider it a mandate to only listen to your fanbase? I bet it feels fun at first, and there are a few people who get very wealthy and powerful as a result, but reality always comes crashing back down. I suppose that if the talk of suspending mid-term elections bears fruit, that changes the equation.
- bjourne 9mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness You can still call your congressman, senator, local political, councilman, or someone else, spend 30 mins watching a demonstration, donate $10 to Amnesty, tell a random dude in fatigues "grateful for your service but please don't invade Greenland". The more people that do these kind of things the harder it gets for the Fascists to brand those that do as left-wing terrorists.
- selectodude 9mo agoI’ve been tear gassed. I’m out here trying. I just know it’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better. The regime is losing its grip and the only way out that fascists know is to escalate the violence. Invading Greenland is a symptom of us on the ground fighting back. It’s to prove to Americans that we’re now isolated.
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- saubeidl 9mo agoI am speaking German and I wouldn't call what the US is providing security, nor would I call the rampant propaganda bots free speech.
- daveguy 9mo agoRampant propaganda bots and consolidation of communications channels in the US is a real problem. Half the country is getting fascist cheerleading 24/7. When you can monopolize the communications channels there is effectively no free speech. Because dissenting views are priced out. Thanks to lax oversight on merging communication companies and the Citizens United decision that equates speech to money in politics, we are in the middle of it now.
- dieortin 9mo agoEven if any of these claims were true (they aren’t) how exactly does that justify the US annexing an EU territory that clearly stated it does not want anything to do with the US?
- hwguy45 9mo ago[dead]
- __turbobrew__ 9mo agoU.K. and France have nukes. Against a conventional army like the USA, that is all that matters.
- Hamuko 9mo agoSeveral European countries are also hosting American nukes on their soil. What happens to those in case the US starts an open war with those countries?
- DrDeadCrash 9mo agoRepublicans love this, legally speaking we can do nothing.
- leviathant 9mo agoLegally speaking, the Republicans have been losing in court over and over. That doesn't mitigate the damage they're doing during the lag, and the consequences for breaking the law have never been as strong as they should be when officers of the law and elected officials are the ones breaking the law. But it is important to acknowledge the wins. They do have an effect, and that's the only path we seem to have toward slowing down the march to autocracy.
- mrweasel 9mo agoAs a Dane, while slightly angry, and gravely concerned for the people of Greenland, I'm still more fearful of the safety and mental well-being of my US friends and colleague than I am for my own.
- DetectDefect 9mo agoLiterally cannot. The asymmetry of technology which we have allowed to grow and flourish makes it infeasible. Flock and other manifestations of this beast sends shivers down spines and prevents any serious resistance.
- Symbiote 9mo agoYou can protest or go on strike, for example. Refuse to buy from any company that supports the current administration (like Microsoft). End contracts where they exist.
- DetectDefect 9mo agoYou can also put a bumper sticker on your car decrying world events and this would have about as much effect as your suggestions.
- undeveloper 9mo agostriking is extremely tangible compared to protesting
- DetectDefect 9mo agoThis thread is about effectiveness, not tangibility (which ironically proves my point).
- ChromaticPanic 9mo agoGeneral strikes are extremely effective
- oenton 9mo agoI guess I'll be the one to say it: Having an organization that collectively bargains for the employees would be very useful right about now. I know, I know... unions can be corrupted and next thing you know, it's a legalized mob. Well, if my choice is that or "upskill myself" and "negotiate", while ignoring the inherent and overwhelming power asymmetry that exists between an employee and the employer, I'll go with the mob; at least they have my back. Yes I'm being glib, but there's also some truth to that. Almost all of the reasons or arguments I've seen from those who oppose unions are based on some myth or combination of myths, such as: - We don't need unions because we're 'well paid' (relatively speaking) - Unions only value seniority - Make it nye impossible to get rid of poor performers - Dark money comes in and corrupts the nomination process, now the CEO's buddy runs the union and you don't even know this is controlled opposition Okay I'm being facetious on that last one, but seriously. We are long, long overdue for a power shift that values the workers. Emphasis on values because that word value has been cooped to be synonymous with money, and it is anything but.
- pjmlp 9mo agoApparently the right to port arms doesn't apply to take down dictorships. We all know they fall down by showing painted signs at street demos. /s
- pengaru 9mo agodon't forget the pink hats and furry costumes
- leviathant 9mo agoWhile you're remembering things you shouldn't forget, pay attention to how the Black Panthers are out in Philadelphia, and ICE isn't messing around over here. We chased those Patriot Front clowns out immediately, too. But yeah, focus on the peaceful citizens making their voices heard, if that makes you feel more secure about how things are going.
- cjonas 9mo agoYou have no idea what it's like to be American right now. The propaganda information war that's being waged in us is overwhelming and it appears to be working. The world needs to start preparing for a reality where the US can no longer be relied on for security or economic stability. For the sake of all of us, I hope that our European allies are taking serious steps to become more independent from US power and security.
- saubeidl 9mo agoI know there is a lot of good and brave people in the US - I lived there for a long time and call many of your compatriots good friends. We're trying our best over here, but y'all can't give up at home either. I know it sucks and it's hard, but don't give into the temptation to just tune out. If you don't like what is happening with your country, do your best to change it - don't wait for others to do it for you!
- yread 9mo agoIs 2026 the year of Polish nukes?
- undersuit 9mo agoOur Congress and Supreme Court are beholden to him. State and Individual resistance will be treated as rebellion. The legal pathways have us waiting until elections. The line of succession is GOP 40 levels deeps. If we successfully revolt the US doesn't survive in any form to stabilize the world built around us and there is no guarantee that the ruling party isn't MAGA-like. The rubicon was crossed. This is the new normal.
- malshe 9mo agoI hope you are right but I don't have any confidence in a Democratic party controlled Congress. I have never seen a meeker group of politicians. They will struggle to get everyone on board and some of them will defect and vote with Republicans like they did recently to end the government shutdown.
- pseudosavant 9mo agoWe are trying. Please realize that the second largest conflict (based on spending) in the world right now, behind the Russian invasion of Ukraine, is DJT’s ICE attacks on the US. That is how much he is spending to attack his own country. More than Israel spends to occupy Palestinians. Sadly, if you look at polling, none of this is remotely unpopular with US Republican voters. Our country’s union is hanging on by tattered threads.
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- teiferer 9mo agoThose sterilized during Nazi rule would like a word.
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- dyauspitr 9mo agoThe Americans you’re trying to reach are not here. They’re in Facebook and right wing social bubbles with a constant influx of fresh slop propaganda. It’s unprecedented in the fact that it’s affecting people at the family unit level with people tearing off into political parties within families that cut off all contact from each other.
- yoyohello13 9mo agoYou'd be surprised how many people on HN voted for this. A lot of people seem to only care about their stock portfolio, and Trump makes number go up.
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- saubeidl 9mo agoI don't think anyone's ever assumed left wing consensus here. When's the last time you heard somebody here talk about public ownership of the means of production?
- dxdm 9mo ago"Conservatism" used to mean something that is incompatible with voting for what's become of the Republican party.
- yoyohello13 9mo agoWell, whatever your reasons. I hope it was worth it.
- Sabinus 9mo agoDid you vote for Trump? Do you approve of the immigration enforcement? Do you approve of the tariff antics? Do you approve of Trump torching American reputation with her allies? Was Jan 6 an attempt to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power? Would you vote for Trump again?
- yoyohello13 9mo agoBlame all the HNers who voted for this admin because they "didn't want any woke business regulations" or whatever.
- rendall 9mo agoAs a US citizen resident of Finland, I am proud of my adoptive country. I have been so far relatively neutral-to- vaguely-supportive of MAGA wrt the culture wars, and I find Trump's posturing on Greenland appalling and disgraceful. Yes, we all know that Trump's MO is to demand something horrendous in order to secure something less horrendous, but there is no path from threatening an ally's sovereignty that leads to anything good for the US. Monstrous.
- mkw5053 9mo agoThis isn’t an aberration, it’s a continuation. Trump has repeatedly done things that would have been disqualifying for any normal president: threatening allies, undermining institutions, abusing power, normalizing coercion. The reason this moment feels different to some people isn’t that the behavior changed, it’s that they’re finally among those bearing the downside. That normalization, enabled by years of “it doesn’t affect me” neutrality, is part of how we got here.
- rendall 9mo agoThat's only part of it. It feels worse now because everything is visible. Information moves instantly. Evidence is public. Financial trails can be followed. Citizens now expect ethical behavior from their leaders as a baseline rather than a bonus. In earlier eras, people slept better largely because they didn’t know what was happening, not because leaders were more virtuous. For decades now, elite self-dealing, institutional opacity, and captured power steadily eroded public trust. Trump did not arrive as a reformer. He arrived as a punishment mechanism. A stress test. Unfortunately, US elites are drawing the wrong lessons so far.
- csa 9mo ago> Citizens now expect ethical behavior from their leaders as a baseline rather than a bonus. Amongst the MAGA voters I know, ethical behavior is very much a “hope for” bonus than an expectation. There is a lot of ends-justify-the-means rhetoric in that voter pool that I talk to.
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- drysine 9mo ago>fighting poorest country in the Europe You are conveniently forgetting ~400 billion dollars[0] of Western military and economic aid to the Ukraine which is ~60% of the Lend-Lease program[1] during the last World War. So in some way this war is comparable to the WW2 with the Germany being on the wrong side of history again. [0] https://www.cfr.org/articles/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine https://www.cfr.org/articles/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
- azan_ 9mo ago400 billion dollars and it's like 5% of actual Western capacity. Imagine how obliterated Russia would get if West actually tried! I really wish that Western world would finally start giving ACTUAL support and not just drip. Russia has been meddling with world peace for far too long, even before you've invaded Ukraine you kept meddling with elections and stirring uncertainty all around the world. Defending against unprovoked Russian aggression absolutely is being on the right side of history. It's a shame that country with history of so many great figures has become such a cesspool.
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- alephnerd 9mo agoWe've committed to leave NATO by 2027 [0] to rebalance in Asia. We don't care about Russia. We are worried about China. > Which country is currently earning the most profits by selling weapons within NATO? It doesn't matter, because no European nation can help us in Kinmen, Luzon, Yonaguni, or Gageodo. Both us and China are inching towards a Cuban Missile Crisis level standoff in 2028 after the Taiwanese (January 2028) and Phillipines (May 2028) elections. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-sets-2027-deadline-europe-led-nato-defense-officials-say-2025-12-05/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-sets-2...
- ancillary 9mo agoThe linked article says the US has threatened to reduce its support, not committed to leave. Things are bad enough without exaggerating like this.
- alephnerd 9mo agoFunctionally, us not participating in defense coordination mechanisms is the equivalent of leaving NATO, as we would not be able to unify response.
- cvwright 9mo agoBy that logic, the European members who didn’t meet their defense spending obligations for years and years have already left NATO too.
- alephnerd 9mo agoThat's the implication the administration is trying to force. Basically, we are leaving Europe because we no longer have a commitment there and concentrate on Asia and the Americas. This has been a stated policy objective of ours for almost 2 decades now.
- 827a 9mo agoIf the EU is good at one thing, its definitely putting out statements.
- tariky 9mo agoAnd slow Bureaucracy :)
- mlinhares 9mo agoThe real message would be to pull out of the world cup.
- cuu508 9mo agoWorld cup of what sport? If the message is to Trump, I assume golf?
- beAbU 9mo agoThe sport who's leader shoved his head so far up Trump's ass he was able to taste his orange make-up. All for the sake of giving him a farce of a "peace" prize. (I'm talking about FIFA in case you are not aware)
- koolba 9mo agoEven if that happened I don’t think the USA would have a shot at the trophy.
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- Kelteseth 9mo agoLet's hope you Americans will vote for the right party in the upcoming midterms. And let's hope you will even get the chance to do so.
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- jsiepkes 9mo agoStill pissed over the fact the EU made Greece pay their debts when they thought they never had to repay their debts and could just get free money?
- netsharc 9mo agoI'm sure you consider yourself a clever person, ever consider that the situation was more complex than your one line comment? That maybe it's possible the German banks were so happy to see a country that suddenly had the backup system of the European Central Bank, i.e. a country full of customers they could lend to, that they flooded it with offers of loans? That Greeks, like the sub-prime borrowers of the USA, thought "Well, if everyone is saying the future looks bright, why not borrow money and pay it back with the promised future income?". That, if I knew my friend was going to be irresponsible with money but their parent was going to bail them out, why shouldn't I lend them money with interest? Is that irresponsible of me? Do I deserve to get all my money back, instead of suffering some of the losses as well? (In this highly simplicized example, I = German banks, my friend = the Greek society, their parents = the ECB. Not saying all of Greek society was irresponsible, but in aggregate, it was a risky "investment") A lot of the Greek bailout could be summarized as the German government bailing out German banks with EU taxpayers' money... Here's a long article about what happened when Germany got flooded with money in the 1870s: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/michael-pettis-syriza-french-indemnity-1871-73.html https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/michael-pettis-syriz... . It's longer than your one line, maybe you'd rather hold on to your more succint (and maybe more intelligent) summary...
- shmerl 9mo agoTrump wants to normalize Putinism. It's beyond disgusting. He should end up in prison for it.
- LgWoodenBadger 9mo agoHe should already be in prison NOW. He’s a convicted felon.
- shmerl 9mo agoHe might end up there next year.
- FpUser 9mo agoToo much credit. Thigs like this were done way before Putin came to power.
- shmerl 9mo agoIt was done, but it wasn't normalized. These crooks want to present it as normal. There should be a very strong push against this garbage.
- FpUser 9mo agoIt was normalized. It is just the first time in modern history when it happens to "wrong people"
- garganzol 9mo agoThe prior art was that Austrian guy who just wanted to become a painter but was rejected from joining a school.
- sepositus 9mo ago"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times."
- garganzol 9mo agoYou are getting downvoted because people see their own reflection in that statement. And they don't like what they are seeing.
- kubb 9mo agoThinking in memes isn’t going to lead us to a better world. Least we can do is downvote it.
- dyauspitr 9mo agoThinking in memes is exactly what the right is doing. It’s short, succinct and pretty much a termination point for all further thought on the matter.
- rf15 9mo agoThe thing itself speaks seemingly a truth though: growing up too coddled will risk a twisted perspective of what you deserve and what's a given.
- kubb 9mo agoSeemingly? Do you have any indication that this is a consistent pattern in the world outside of imagination?
- garganzol 9mo agoIf you think that it's just an imagination, the universe will make you physically feel what it really is. Not all at once, but gradually, drop by drop. And then, you'll learn the true meaning of another "meme" word: ignorance.
- mrKola 9mo agoSorry Europe. Our clown in chief will do everything to cover the Epstein files.
- skeledrew 9mo agoIf only there had been a similar showing when it was Venezuela being threatened.
- layer8 9mo agoThere was: https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/venezuela-statement-high-representative-aftermath-us-intervention-venezuela_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/venezuela-statement-high-rep...
- Ucalegon 9mo agoSigh... this is real life and I hate it as an American. The Danes had over 50 [1] Danish lives wasted in the NATO mission in Afghanistan and Iraq and this is how we pay the Danes back when they had America's back, paid in blood. Its so disappointing and tragic. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crmjewpkje9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crmjewpkje9o
- tokai 9mo agoDanes put up a courteous face right now to get through this, but the relationship to the US is permanently harmed. Even the most pro US politicians are saying the relationship will never go back to what it was before this.
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- ofrzeta 9mo agoTrump has no respect for anything. He even derided US veterans. I have no idea how any patriotic person can support him. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-a... This was 2020 and still some people who allgedely want to make America great again voted for him.
- United857 9mo agoDespite all the talk about military action, the fact is that Europe is one of the main trading partners of the US and holds a substantial share of US debt. Any invasion would be economic suicide, and I think even Trump realizes this.
- thatguy0900 9mo agoI'm not convinced trump cares about economic suicide at all
- malfist 9mo agoTrump barely thinks about first order effects, much less second order. He probably doesn't know it's economic suicide. And when it happens he'll tell us both "nobody knows more than me" and "nobody knew global commerce was this complicated" and then he'll tell us he'll have a plan to fix it in two weeks
- drysine 9mo ago>holds a substantial share of US deb That's the EU's problem, not Trump's)
- alibarber 9mo agoA mass selloff of US bonds will mean that the US can’t sell any more - because the market is suddenly flooded with bonds at a ‘discount’. This means that the US can’t take on any more debt (borrow money) Why would you pay the US $10 when you can get the same thing from France for $8? Or the US then has to issue bonds with massively inflated returns - i.e. pay a much higher interest rate.
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- bonsai_spool 9mo ago> Personally I find all of the pretense and posturing around these issues both comical and concerning > There is no sign that Canada and the European nations will be in a position to even put up a shadow of resistance to it. Same for the US. There has been ample reporting about how there is no shipbuilding capacity in the US (but there still is in Europe).
- Hamuko 9mo agoDon't worry, the US is ordering icebreakers from Finland (which will now get hit by with a 25% tariff).
- mikeyouse 9mo agoIf only there was some sort of military alliance that covered the northern Atlantic.
- torlok 9mo agoThis comment shows why the damage done by Trump will be so hard to reverse, no matter who's in charge next. When Trump talks about taking Greenland, the answer should be "no, moron, it's effectively a part of NATO", and instead you get all this muddying analysis of the strategic signifficance of Greenland, history, and how the EU is weak.
- surgical_fire 9mo agoTrump is a symptom. The US cannot be trusted because we will always be one US election away of this bullshit again, because there are a lot of people there that actually agree with this. The EU should be untangling itself from the US as quickly as possible. Any dependency on it is a major security risk.
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- yujzgzc 9mo agoWhen Trump said NATO allies needed to increase defense spending, did he mean it to protect against US?
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- jbverschoor 9mo agoI think Mexico should take back California. They need it, and I’m sure they appreciate it more.
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- mxkopy 9mo agoFragility like this is not a small cause of this mess
- jbverschoor 9mo agoLike most things.. risk-reward.. and different times. 180 years ago, the dollar and power was different. Right now? Trump is risking a worldwar trying to save the dollar/energy/make the history books. They can take Texas back while they're at it. Or perhaps Elon wants to take it.
- jdgoesmarching 9mo agoAs an Army veteran, I find this kind of keyboard warrioring to be insanely cringe. The “last time” was 20 years after Mexico had secured their independence from Spain and a few years after fending the military was worn down fending off incursions from France. Mexico was barely able to control or defend northern territories from indigenous tribes at the time, never mind a full country’s military. It was also nearly 180 years ago and has no bearing on modern conflict.
- breppp 9mo agoit is still extremely doubtful that Mexico will fare well in a conflict with the United States
- ben_w 9mo agoI don't have any military knowledge, so I defer to those who do, but also I think Mexico could seriously harm the US by… paying for a border wall. All those undocumented workers the US wants to keep out, they're really important to the US actually functioning.
- joduplessis 9mo ago"I'm in the Empire Business"
- wronex 9mo agoAs a side note. Beware when exporting to the USA using UPS. Especially when having the receiver pay for imports and taxes. UPS does not enforce payment. They will hand out the package before receiving the taxes and tolls. Then, they force you, the exporter, to pay, since you’ve agreed to it by accepting their terms and conditions. I’ve learnt this the hard way.
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- pkoird 9mo agoPotentially because this is about the extra 10% tarrifs?
- stavros 9mo agoThat explains why they gave me the package and then sent me a bill for import duties a month later.
- magicalhippo 9mo agoThey typically do this because they don't have enough warehouse space to keep the packages temporarily, and also because it wouldn't be very Express if it adds another day or two. But if the value is high or you've landed on their naughty list, they'll have you pay before receiving the package.
- ireflect 9mo agoAlso been hit with this using DHL. Doing trade with the USA is such a gamble now with so much uncertainty.
- jleyank 9mo agoYup. Now people outside the US pay tariffs going both ways. Sending a package to the US? Pay the US tariffs for the receiver in advance. Getting a package from the US? Pay any tariffs/duties/taxes as per normal.
- _trampeltier 9mo agoOne thing I never heard a talk about. What would happen to all the US bases in the NATO countrys? I can't imagine the US could fly from NATOs countrys bases and attack Greenland and partner. Would for ex. germany attack Ramstein?
- sschueller 9mo agoAt some point Germany and others will feel the US presence on their soil being occupation forces and not joint NATO forces.
- drysine 9mo ago>being occupation forces That's literally what they are. American forces appeared in Germany in 1945.
- metabagel 9mo agoThey’re not occupying forces. There is a status of forces agreement between the two countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_forces_agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_forces_agreement
- GeoAtreides 9mo agoSo the occupier and country occupied signed an legal agreement making the occupation officially legal? De facto and de jure are two very, very different things... (not saying the US forces are occupying Germany, just commenting on op's logic)
- onli 9mo agoYou are right. But it's a matter of perspective. In the mainstream perspective those bases are based on contracts and a method of mutual security. But there is indeed also the perspective in Germany that those bases are factually occupying forces and given their history the option of having those bases removed have been limited. And there is a kernel of truth in it. The USA likely wouldn't give up Ramstein under any circumstances safe the German military mobilizing against them, the base is (was?) too important for the US. When Trump invades Greenland we will see this play out (how the base stays active and Germany is powerless to stop that).
- ares623 9mo agoI wonder how Americans will feel if they get treated like how Muslims were treated after 9/11
- profsummergig 9mo agoHow were Muslims treated? I don't remember anything other than isolated incidents.
- ares623 9mo agoOh geez I didn't mean in that way. More the social stigma that permeated in that time.
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- throwaway5235 9mo agoInstead of writing long passages about how your native country or country of interest did some atrocities over last 100-200 years, let me just write: I don't care. I care about restoring world balance and establishing long lasting peace.
- jonkoops 9mo agoWe should not be allying with any oppressive and dictatorial states, the US is just rapidly sliding into becoming one, and nobody wants to acknowledge it because of the consequences it would imply. If you ask me, us Europeans need to find our self-confidence, we are more than able to compete, but too scared to take the risks and responsibilities to do so.
- throwaway5235 9mo agoDon't get me wrong, I would love that! I would love for Europe to step up as world super power (union), a kin to the Non-Aligned Movement - but unfortunately I don't see it happening.
- jonkoops 9mo agoIt starts from the bottom up, we need to make it a priority, it is part of the defeatist attitude we have, total lack of self-confidence. We need a 'Yes we can' movement.
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- azan_ 9mo agoThe only way for Europe forward is actual federalization. Unfortunately right wing parties will never let it happen so entire Europe is doomed to become marginalized by China and US.
- jonkoops 9mo agoIndeed, petty national topics that are used to create fake polarization against Brussels, is what is keeping us from realizing the federation we so desperately need. I am so tired of the endless, unbased right-wing arguments from nationalists against the EU, which only exist to distract from their own incompetencies.
- anttiharju 9mo agoI would like to live in less historical times. I'm a Finn.
- duxup 9mo agoSame, American. I don’t know why we got to be assholes. I prefer speaking softly and carrying a big stick.
- TurdF3rguson 9mo agoAnnexing territory was actually way more common back then. US bought the US Virgin Islands from Denmark at around that time.
- duxup 9mo agoI think that was much more a cooperative agreement type situation than childish threats like we have now. I'm not opposed to changes in territory in principle... but there's no principles involved in the current US administration acting out like a fragile child.
- TurdF3rguson 9mo agoThreats are always a part of negotiations. There was also a proposal to trade Greenland for 1/3 of the Philippines (which the US got from Spain just for showing up to a war that nobody wanted).
- tetrisgm 9mo agoTrue. But if the shit gets real, you guys are the best in the world to deal with it. Plenty of Russians at the bottom of the lakes to attest that.
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- sergioisidoro 9mo agoThe USA decimated its own native populations, so how is it better than Denmark?
- rpiguy 9mo agoYou illustrate my point exactly - we are all awful colonialists. No one has a moral claim on Greenland.
- yencabulator 9mo agoWhich is why Greenlanders are legally able to vote for independence any moment they want to. Now do USA vs Kingdom of Hawaii.
- Zardoz84 9mo agoyeah, like Hawaii
- gambiting 9mo ago>>I fully support the US taking Greenland by non-military means. Makes sense economically and militarily. So their own wishes on the topic don't matter? Also I cannot think of many worse fates for Danes than becoming American, yeah I'm sure they can't wait to have their privatised healthcare and Gestapo policing. What Americans want in this scenario matters less than what Russians want in regards to Ukraine. >>The Danish colonials force-sterilized the native peoples of Greenland. Would you like me to start listing all the things that Americans have done to both their own citizens in modern times(like injecting people with radioactive compounds just to see why would happen) and in the distant past to the native populations of Northern America?
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- cdrnsf 9mo agoTrump's domestic policy is a failure and taking drastic abroad (as many past administrations have done as a distraction) is also failing.
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- matsemann 9mo agoCan't Denmark just stop selling ozempic or so to the US? Would be an uproar in no time.
- Hamuko 9mo agoDoesn't Ozempic already have competition on the market?
- adventured 9mo agoIn the hypothetical amused scenario: no, that won't work, there are several alternatives now. If the US can extract Maduro, it can extract the leadership of Novo Nordisk, their lead scientists and all of their intellectual property. /amused scenario
- murderfs 9mo agoSure, it could blow up its economy and have the U.S. just switch to the existing domestic alternative, which also appears to be superior (tirzepatide).
- fritzorino 9mo ago[flagged]
- simonsarris 9mo agoEli Lilly has GLP-1 injectables and will have an oral pill this year. Novo Nordisk has already dropped that ball. Hence Eli Lilly +40% in the last year and Novo -23%. Or on a longer timescale you can see the problem: https://www.google.com/finance/quote/NVO:NYSE?sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj3i7Oly5WSAxXZl4kEHeDcBewQ3ecFKAV6BAgqEAY&comparison=NYSE%3ALLY&window=5Y https://www.google.com/finance/quote/NVO:NYSE?sa=X&sqi=2&ved...
- maxerickson 9mo agoWhat should they have done differently to prevent a competitor from entering a valuable market? "Pricing power fell when someone else entered the market" isn't dropping a ball is why I ask.
- mamonster 9mo agoTrump is gonna end up destroying EU right wing parties which have been very pro-Trump exactly like he did to Pollievre. I wonder whether UK media decide to hammer Farage over his Trump connections to screw Reform super hard.
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- sph 9mo agoDo they have cornfields in El Salvador?
- lightedman 9mo ago""Can a man get pregnant?"" With Japan's artificial womb technology, sure! We can also create sperm or egg cells from just about anything and implant that into the womb. ICE is gestapo. And I'll keep beating them down every chance I get. Can't screw with someone that mines nuclear materials very easily.
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- cedws 9mo agoPutin is laughing his head off. Everything he could have ever dreamed of is playing out right now.
- tokai 9mo agoAnd he's still no better off.
- cedws 9mo agoIn what context? Personally? In rebuilding the Soviet Union? Or in the war?
- distances 9mo agoNot the parent, but getting US to quit NATO won't help his European ambitions. Russia is weak now, and has solidified the European hostility for years to come.
- geoka9 9mo ago"European hostility" is not going to matter when there's no EU. No matter how weak, Russia will always be stronger in terms of the number of warm bodies they are ready to throw into the meat grinder than any country in Europe. UPD: If you don't believe me, look at the European right-wing leaders (including a sitting head of state, Meloni) currently banding up behind Orban, a widely known Putin's shill in Europe.
- geoka9 9mo agoDissolution of NATO has been his wet dream for decades. Next up is dissolution of the EU; the hard-right shift all over Europe (that he gets some credit for by financing right-wing parties and propaganda) will eventually make that dream of his come true, too.
- tim333 9mo agoWhile Trump having a go at Denmark I'm sure pleases Putin other things are not going great his way. The lines in Ukraine are kind of static in spite of huge Russian losses, their economy is bad, their ally in Venezuela got arrested, their ships are getting boarded, the Iranian government is looking shaky.
- maxloh 9mo agoI wonder how the current events in Greenland will impact the safety and sovereignty of Taiwan. The US is Taiwan’s most important military ally, even if that relationship remains unofficial. It is also the most critical power in the First Island Chain. If the US stopped being a global superpower, countries like Japan and South Korea might not be willing to aid in defending Taiwan on their own.
- Keyframe 9mo agoI wonder how the current events in Greenland will impact the safety and sovereignty of Taiwan. That was my thought as well. It's a dangerous rhetoric being displayed by USA. "We need this land for our security". Turns out, what if other powers start using the same rhetoric? Russia did it already for Ukraine, China might say "We need Taiwan for our security".. where does it stop and ultimately it leads absolutely nowhere good.
- randallsquared 9mo agoChina already claims Taiwan, and has for decades; the only thing keeping it practically separate is uncertainty over the outcome in various dimensions if China tries to take it militarily. I don't think there's any doubt that if they were sure they could take it relatively bloodlessly and without significant repercussion, they would do so immediately.
- brabel 9mo agoThe US recognizes Taiwan as part of China since the 70’s though its position is quite ambiguous! I found this document by the US congress that explains the history behind the rather bizarre situation Taiwan finds itself today: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12503 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12503
- maxloh 9mo agoNope. The US One China Policy (not to be confused with China's One China Principle) only "acknowledges" China's claim over Taiwan. The wording is intended to be vague so that each side can interpret the meaning according to their own interests (like China claiming "acknowledge" actually means "recognize").
- m000 9mo agoSince Trump can't walk away from NATO [1], could the claim on Greenland be a ruse to force the de-facto resolution of NATO? He probably sees Europe as too meek to do anything more dramatic/substantial. And believes that without NATO, Europe would buy more US weapons that they now get "for free". [1] https://www.dirittoue.info/u-s-legislation-restricts-presidential-authority-to-withdraw-from-nato/ https://www.dirittoue.info/u-s-legislation-restricts-preside...
- bcye 9mo agoI'm not sure how attacking Greenland would accomplish the goal of more European spending on US weapons.
- m000 9mo agoIf indeed this turns out to be a ruse, Greenland conquest would not be Trump's end game. It would be just a performative confrontation to get rid of NATO 1.0. Who is really ready to start WW3 over Greenland? After NATO 1.0 is declared dead and burried, Trump might as well backpedal and start negotiating NATO 2.0. Which would be light on US military commitments and heavy on European arm purchase commitments. And he seems to believe (not unjustifiably - see Nord Stream sabotage) that the European leaders are spineless enough to accept a NATO 2.0 deal. This will not be unlike Trump's thinking: "I'll build a wall and the Mexicans will pay for it". Wild theory, yes. But we live in wild times, unfortunately.
- jensgk 9mo ago"Europe would buy more US weapons" Buying weapons from an unreliable and possibly adversarial (former) partner would create strategic dependence and weaken Europe’s defense autonomy. => It would be stupid.
- csense 9mo agoI think the administration's real goal isn't taking over Greenland. I think it's scaring the EU enough about the possibility the US might take over Greenland that the EU pays to fortify it so the US doesn't have to. (Somebody needs to fortify it, because the world is warming and it will become a strategically important trade choke point when a Northwest Passage opens up.) Just like Trump being hot-and-cold on Ukraine. The administration's real goal isn't the US letting Russia take over Europe or even Ukraine. The goal is to scare the EU enough about the possibility the US might let Russia take over Europe or Ukraine that they start paying the expense of making sure that doesn't happen. Greenland only has a population of 56k. If the US really wanted to buy Greenland, it should suggest a referendum whether Greenland should be annexed by the US, then pass a law that says the US will give each Greenlander $1 million if the referendum passes. I'm sure it would pass in a landslide and it would only cost $56 billion, which seems much lower than the price of trying to capture it militarily.
- sph 9mo agoAh yes, the "Donald Trump is playing 4D chess" story his supporters have been repeating since 2016.
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- bojan 9mo agoThat would be a horrible deal for the Greenlanders, and they know it - there were polls recently and Vance was pretty much told that when he visited there. The US is allowed for decades to have a military presence on Greenland, but the US Army has been diminishing it's presence as the time went by.
- adventured 9mo agoUp it to $5 million per Greenlander then. The US can afford to pull the trigger on a $250-$280 billion acquisition. The EU can't afford to counter it. To put that sum into perspective for the US economy: that's merely 2.x years of operating income for Google. There's no scenario where the people of Greenland reject that $250b offer in a free vote.
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- dang 9mo agoNationalistic attacks are not allowed on HN, regardless of which country is in question. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dismalaf 9mo agoEuropeans will really do anything except confront Russia and China. A little history lesson: the US has defacto and dejure been defending Greenland since WWII (they've had a defence pact since Denmark fell to the Nazis). US bases have been on Greenland from then to the current day. Even after Ukraine, Europe buys Russian gas. Even with all the threats from China towards Taiwan, Europeans are cozying up to them. And Europe still doesn't adequately defend itself, with a few exceptions. While Trump is erratic in public, all recent US moves point to a confrontation with Russia/China in the near future. And Europe just sits by twiddling their thumbs. Feels like Eastern Europe and the Baltics are the only ones who take it seriously.
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- legitster 9mo agoEven all of the purely imperialistic stated reasons for taking Greenland make no sense. National security? We already have the right to station as many troops there as we want! And we have actually removed troops recently. Mineral rights? America is already richly endowed - its just impossible to access what we have when permitting is almost impossible. If there were actually valuable lodes in Greenland, it would probably be easier to mine now! The only thing I can think of are the warm fuzzies you may feel as a despot to take land and enrage your allies.
- teiferer 9mo ago> National security? Plus, punishing exactlty those Nato partners who are sending military there to see how to strengthen the defense. That shows you don't want Greenland stronger, militarily. You want it weaker to have less issues when you invade it.
- cluckindan 9mo agoIt is dividing EU military resources, which potentially weakens the security of EU states against a potential invasion.
- jonners00 9mo agoI think it's as simple as USA plus Canada plus Greenland equals bigliest country in the world
- geremiiah 9mo agoOne motivation is surely to humilate the European leaders which they despise.
- QuiEgo 9mo agoThere is a conspiracy theory Trump is under active control by blackmail by the Russian government. Moments like this make you wonder.
- ndsipa_pomu 9mo agoDestroying NATO is surely the goal.
- Tangokat 9mo agoThe Americans on HN driving tech, science and innovation are enabling Trump to do this. Without you he would be nothing. Where is your integrity? Do you think having no allies makes you more safe? Is this really the world you want?
- teiferer 9mo agoHow are US tech folks more enabling Trump than anybody else who pays tax there?
- throwaway5235 9mo ago"Elon Musk, the world’s richest man, spent more than $290 million supporting Donald Trump and his MAGA allies on the campaign trail last year." [1] "Exclusive: How Palantir's Alex Karp went full MAGA" [2] Look at All In Podcast - tech VCs - they are all in support of this administration. [1] https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-donald-trump-2024-election-b2690735.html https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit... [2] https://www.axios.com/2025/10/23/trump-alex-karp-palantir-maga https://www.axios.com/2025/10/23/trump-alex-karp-palantir-ma...
- teiferer 9mo agoContext was "The Americans on HN driving tech, ...". I'm not sure that includes Elon.
- bcye 9mo agoSome, by working for companies (big tech) that have given little resistance to trump but rather funded his ball room, etc. Sadly, everyone quitting those companies would not really be a reasonable solution either, though there are more possible actions than that
- whoamii 9mo agoWhen the next terrorist attack happens on US soil, who will be surprised?
- EastLondonCoder 9mo agoThis isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. It’s also lose-lose for the US. There isn’t a positive outcome. If it’s dropped, the damage is “just” reputational and partly repairable. If it’s pursued: tariffs, threats, coercion. It burns trust inside NATO, accelerates European strategic decoupling, and hands a propaganda gift to every US adversary. A forced takeover would be a catastrophic own-goal: legitimacy crisis, sanctions/retaliation, and a long-term security headache the US doesn’t need. And the deeper issue is credibility. The dollar’s reserve status and US financial leverage rest on the assumption that the US is broadly predictable and rule-bound. When you start treating allies like extractive targets, you’re not “winning” you’re encouraging everyone to build workarounds. Part of the postwar setup was that Europe outsourced a lot of hard security while the US underwrote the system; if the US turns that security guarantee into leverage against allies, you should expect Europe to reprice the relationship and invest accordingly. The least-bad outcome is a face-saving off-ramp and dropping the whole line of inquiry. Nothing good comes from keeping it on the table.
- oliwarner 9mo agoThe US has some grace here as most of the negative feelings towards it dies with it's government. You're going to pick better next time, right?
- Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo agoExcept that everyone can see that the US is capable of putting this kind of government into power, and could do so again and again.
- rstuart4133 9mo agoExactly. The fixes that would go some way to restore my trust are changed to the mechanisms surrounding the democratic process. Things like no more gerrymander, get rid of allowing corporations influencing the voting by flooding the system with money, somehow fix social media every ad is seen by everyone rather than allowing personalised lies be shown to specific voters, fix your electronic voting systems to a maintenance man with a screwdriver can't make new votes pop into existence (as happened once), stop disenfranchising voters - even to the extend of implementing compulsory voting. The distortions the USA allows now to the democratic process are beyond belief. Oh, and a system that allows a politician to incite a mob to attack the sitting parliament, and get away without punishment, then pardon the perps is a joke.
- duxup 9mo agoWhy even make a deal with the US now if Trump just changes his mind like some senile old man?
- Ancalagon 9mo agoGoodness look at all the dead threads in here. Am I smelling bot activity?
- throw20251220 9mo agoNo, posting quotas. This place became a dump where 4 responses down you get time-banned for nobody knows how long and the discussion gets nowhere. You get attacked left and right? Well, tough luck, can’t defend and explain yourself. Good luck when multiple people want to discuss anything with you. This used to be a thought provoking place. It’s a dump now.
- orwin 9mo agoLooks like Chamberlain is refusing the Sudetenland annexation. At least for the moment.
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- ben_w 9mo ago"difference between … becoming smaller" happens well before the rank-ordering flips, even when running at full speed.
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- hypeatei 9mo agoRight, because an agency supposedly meant for "immigration enforcement" being sent to cities of the President's opponents so they can crackdown on protests and harass citizens is different... how? Is being persecuted for your religion worse than being persecuted for your political beliefs? There is a secret police force actively patrolling the streets, going door-to-door asking for papers, shooting American citizens and your response is "it's not that bad"?
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- hypeatei 9mo agoYou pretending that this is merely federal agents enforcing immigration laws is delusion. Thousands of agents being sent to one city and hundreds more promised after backlash is not immigration enforcement, it's punishment for dissent. > If you don’t want the door to door enforcement, have your local officials become cooperative in enforcing the immigration laws Since when did States need to "cooperate" with federal law enforcement to avoid masked thugs terrorizing the populace? Weren't right wingers all about States' Rights under Democrat administrations? > So no, I am not going to downplay and dishonor the victims of the the human rights violations of China by comparing it to what is happening here I didn't ask you to "downplay" human rights violations done by China, I asked if you thought one type of persecution was worse than the other. Clearly you don't have an issue with the persecution happening in the US, so thanks for making that clear at least.
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- jh54 9mo agoWhy is this not on the front page anymore?? It has more upvotes and comments than anything else posted since it’s been posted 2 hours ago, and has been on the front page for an hour before disappearing Also go EU!
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- ben_w 9mo ago> Why is this not on the front page anymore?? Most things fall off the front page really fast, I know because I am now spending rather too much time on this site…
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- utopiah 9mo agoWell might want to upvote this dedicated post then https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46676092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46676092
- polotics 9mo agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMPe_e-WRMk&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMPe_e-WRMk&t=1s clear statement from Greenland's own too
- consumer451 9mo agoUS voters, please be aware that this bill has been introduced in the House. Maybe call you reps to voice support? Democracy is not dead yet. > Bipartisan Legislation Prohibiting a U.S. Invasion of a NATO State Introduced https://hoyer.house.gov/media/press-releases/bipartisan-legislation-prohibiting-us-invasion-nato-state-introduced https://hoyer.house.gov/media/press-releases/bipartisan-legi...
- scoofy 9mo agoThe vast majority of folks this message will reach are in tech heavy cities… almost all of which have Democratic Party representatives. It’s honestly just very difficult to communicate with Republican parts of the country on open, reddit-like social media.
- cogman10 9mo agoRepublican politicians are ignoring their constituents. It's quiet depressing, because a large number of them know they'll be just fine regardless what they do. We, in Idaho, recently had a school voucher program rammed through even though a huge number of people called to oppose it. Like 90% against 10% for. They still signed it into law. It's all very disheartening.
- mdnahas 9mo agoSame happened in Texas.
- nullocator 9mo agoCan't Trump veto this? Will it have a veto proof majority?
- notsure2 9mo agoPeople are saying withhold ozempic, and sure maybe. But what about the 38 TRILLION in US debt. I'm sure the Europeans could dump that on whatever sucker wants to hold it - forcing rates into the stratosphere.
- youngtaff 9mo agoAccording to a Deutsche Bank report Europe holds about $8 trillion of that debt
- tim333 9mo agoLatest - Trump is writing to Norway, blaming his not getting the nobel prize: >Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. >“Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? ... Nuts!
- hairofadog 9mo agoIt really is. We’ve put children with emotional problems in charge of the U.S. military and economy. Shameful and heartbreaking. I hope we can recover and rebuild alliances but I think that will be a multigenerational task.
- OrangeMusic 9mo agoSource?
- mrshu 9mo agoHere is an example: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15476463/Trump-tells-Norwegian-PM-no-longer-feels-obligation-think-purely-peace-country-decided-not-Nobel-Peace-Prize-Greenland.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15476463/Trump-tell...
- tsoukase 9mo agoClearly the DJT's obsession with Greenland has to do with some short term gains of his billionaire friends and not real national interests. Similar to all his other recent shortsighted surprises. So, hold on for 3 years until he retreats into oblivion and the new POTUS reverses the situation. It happens constantly in my country when an incompetent and corrupt leadership causes temporary trouble but the next restores the longtime policy. In the meantime the 2028 Olympics will be the most interesting of the last decades.