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Inside CECOT – 60 Minutes [video]

• kg 10mo ago
  For context, this report was suppressed by CBS News' new leadership, most likely to appease the US government.
  • owlninja 10mo ago
    A little more context if needed (free link): https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/21/business/60-minutes-trump-bari-weiss.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-08.L-Mz.fhkxWTy_cO48&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/21/business/60-minutes-trump...
• scratchyone 10mo ago
  I have a feeling this will get DMCA-ed off of Internet Archive in an attempt to suppress it. Here's the infohash of the archive.org torrent download for future reference, this should allow the file to be retrieved in any torrent client as long as someone in the world is seeding it still. 8105370ed7dba50dc7ec659fd67550569b4dd8a0
  • evil-olive 10mo ago
    here it is, in magnet link form: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:734abc77f48d11c78543c52004b6f57db71d6d92&dn=60minutes-cecotsegment&xl=1483256352&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbt1.archive.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbt2.archive.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&ws=http://ia601703.us.archive.org/32/items/&ws=http://ia801703.us.archive.org/32/items/&ws=https://archive.org/download/ (exported from my currently-seeding torrent client, then pasted into a separate torrent client, to verify that it works correctly)
    • UltraSane 10mo ago
      I'm seeing 1813 seeds right now
    • ProllyInfamous 10mo ago
      Hey there seed buddy... I'm about to become the fourth web seed. We're not going anywhere. —Hydra
    • JakeStone 10mo ago
      It's ridiculous that this has to be done. I'm honestly speechless. But thanks for the magnet link.
    • vlachen 10mo ago
      I left the high seas many years ago, but I'm down to seed for a cause. What's the best torrent client nowadays?
      • josh_p 10mo ago
        qbittorrent is still regarded as independent and safe, I think. https://www.qbittorrent.org/ https://www.qbittorrent.org/ I’m still using it happily on windows/linux. Don’t forget your vpn!
        • vlachen 10mo ago
          That brings me to the next thing: Taking VPN suggestions. What's the best? I like secure. Edited to remove being a moron.
          • x13 10mo ago
            proton
          • rpdillon 10mo ago
            Mullvad. The only VPN company I actually trust.
  • deleted 10mo ago
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  • mrjay42 10mo ago
    Seeding :3
  • chakintosh 10mo ago
    r/DataHoarder is already on it
    • embedding-shape 10mo ago
      Yup, reddit subreddit sure seems like a good place for "anti-american" discussions. Where are the independent and non-VC fueled discussion forums when you need them?
  • blast 10mo ago
    It will be a second dose of Streisand if they do.
  • mistersquid 10mo ago
    Senator Corey Booker’s YouTube channel posted the archived video about 9am EST. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiehEMlNiCI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiehEMlNiCI
    • KumaBear 10mo ago
      Senator booker is a grifter who supports his corporate donors over what’s right for the people.
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• pavel_lishin 10mo ago
  There are other links here as well: https://www.404media.co/archivists-posted-the-60-minutes-cecot-segment-bari-weiss-killed/ https://www.404media.co/archivists-posted-the-60-minutes-cec...
  • tastyface 10mo ago
    404media is shadowbanned from HN for nebulous reasons. The mods should really revisit this policy: they've been doing some great reporting recently.
    • pyvpx 10mo ago
      Has there been any mention of reasoning behind it?
      • snowwrestler 10mo ago
        I asked last year and was told 404 is the source of too many copycat low quality posts and they have a paywall. In the year since, a bunch of their original reporting has hit the front page and driven interesting discussions.
        • abraham 10mo ago
          Just to clarify for anyone reading. 404 does not have a paywall. They have an account wall. Some articles require you to be signed into a free account to read.
          • snowwrestler 10mo ago
            For comparison, the Wall Street Journal does have a paywall but is not a banned site.
            • metadope 10mo ago
              And 404 is also not banned, right? As a noob here on HN, that's what I gathered from your previous comment: > In the year since, a bunch of their original reporting has hit the front page So, a year ago, before my time, 404 media was moderated in a way that seemed like a ban, but now it no longer appears to be shadowbanned, is that what I'm learning?
• slg 10mo ago
  I'm reminded of the Letter on Justice and Open Debate[1] that Bari Weiss signed only a few years ago, now she's spiking stories like this one on CECOT for showing the current administration in a negative light. I also wonder if this story will get the type of leeway to stay on HN to collect the 200+ upvotes and 300+ comments of that previous example or if it will be flagged off the front page within minutes like so many other similar stories. EDIT: No idea how long this post actually lasted, but checking in an hour later to see this has been flagged completely off the first 10 pages of HN despite getting close to that 200 point total. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23759283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23759283
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  • cdrnsf 10mo ago
    She was hired following the acquisition of Paramount to do things exactly like this. She's not a journalist.
    • dralley 10mo ago
      Literally not a journalist. She went from the opinion pages to writing opinion on substack. And for "some reason" was put in charge of a news organization.
      • derektank 10mo ago
        She has worked as a staff editor in newsrooms, most notably at Tablet. It’s not accurate to say her career has solely been in the opinion section. Also, it’s not unheard of for people working on the op-ed side of the house to become editors in chief. Most notable example I can think of would be Katharine Viner at the Guardian. And in the reverse, James Bennet went from being editor in chief at the Atlantic to running the op-ed page at the NYT.
        • UncleMeat 10mo ago
• tastyface 10mo ago
  As a companion piece, here is ProPublica's recent report trying to determine who exactly was sent to this torture camp: https://projects.propublica.org/venezuelan-immigrants-trump-deported-cecot https://projects.propublica.org/venezuelan-immigrants-trump-...
  • estearum 10mo ago
    Another good piece from right-leaning Cato Institute: https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salva...
• cdrnsf 10mo ago
  Additional context: > The Trump administration has repeatedly claimed that the men sent to El Salvador were overwhelmingly violent criminals; Pro Publica reported that the administration knew at least 197 of the men had not been convicted of crimes in the United States, and six had been convicted of violent offenses. https://www.404media.co/archivists-posted-the-60-minutes-cecot-segment-bari-weiss-killed/ https://www.404media.co/archivists-posted-the-60-minutes-cec...
  • postepowanieadm 10mo ago
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    • hashstring 10mo ago
      Watch the video or read this report from Human Rights Watch [1]. > The Trump administration claimed that the majority of Venezuelans sent to CECOT were members of the Venezuelan organized crime group Tren de Aragua. > Only [3.1% of the 226/252 Venezuelan prisoners in CECOT] had been convicted of a violent or potentially violent offense. > Human Rights Watch reviewed documents in 58 of the 130 documented cases of people held in CECOT, and all indicated that they did not have criminal records in Venezuela or other countries in Latin America. CECOT was already found to violate the UN’s minimum treatment of prisoners rights (aka “The Nelson Mandela Rules”) [2] by a report of the US. Trump’s administration blatantly violates human rights. Finally, here is a report investigating why the US can use the El Salavador prison [3]. > It has been clear from the beginning what Trump wants from El Salvador: an ally who would accept, and even imprison, deportees. Less clear has been what Bukele might want from the United States. In striking the deal with the Salvadoran president, Trump has effectively undercut the Vulcan investigation and shielded Bukele from further scrutiny, current and former U.S. officials said. [1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2025/11/12/you-have-arrived-in-hell/torture-and-other-abuses-against-venezuelans-in-el https://www.hrw.org/report/2025/11/12/you-have-arrived-in-he... [2] https://www.unodc.org/documents/justice-and-prison-reform/Nelson_Mandela_Rules-E-ebook.pdf https://www.unodc.org/documents/justice-and-prison-reform/Ne... [3] https://www.propublica.org/article/bukele-trump-el-salvador-ms13-gang-vulcan-corruption-investigation https://www.propublica.org/article/bukele-trump-el-salvador-...
• LarsDu88 10mo ago
  How long before Hackernews takes this one down?
  • ProllyInfamous 10mo ago
    [flagged]
    • soared 10mo ago
      You should probably revisit the guidelines, as your flagging policy doesn’t align with HN guidelines: > On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      • ProllyInfamous 10mo ago
        Thank you for those guidelines. >anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity So, porn, then? Surely there must be limits. ---- From those same guidelines: >Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime
        • NaOH 10mo ago
          There's a lot from @dang about how the site goal is optimizing for curiosity and what that means in practice. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
        • kelnos 10mo ago
          The qualifier "most" is very important there. Certainly opinions can differ as to what should fall under "most" and what shouldn't. But citing that line to justify flagging a politics-related story isn't a good argument.
• ProllyInfamous 10mo ago
  <https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/watch-the-60-minutes-cecot-segment https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/watch-the-60-minutes-cecot...> This is disgraceful [0], whatever your opinion on illegal immigration. [0] deporting non-citizens to 3rd-party countries/prisons
  • throw0101c 10mo ago
    > [0] deporting non-citizens to 3rd-party countries/prisons See perhaps United States Declaration of Independence: > "For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses:" * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Grievance_19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_State...
    • saagarjha 10mo ago
      Ah, but you see, they're not us. They're them.
    • dzdt 10mo ago
      In this case there wasn't even any trial, here or abroad. Just sent to the torture gulag with zero process whatsoever. So its even worse than that.
      • throw0101c 10mo ago
        > In this case there wasn't even any trial, here or abroad. Above is #19; see #18: > "For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Jury trial:" * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Grievance_18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievances_of_the_United_State...
  • justin66 10mo ago
    Even calling it "deportation" is far too charitable towards what they've done. Deportation involves sending them back to their home countries or, if that's unsafe, to another country. These people were rendered to a prison where they're meant to spend the rest of their lives, without any of the due process even a foreigner who had committed a crime would normally be accorded in the United States under our constitution.
• empath75 10mo ago
  People in the US now have to use VPN’s to get access to domestic news from a foreign country. I think it’s fair to say that the wheels have come off democracy and things are badly broken.
  • _vqpz 10mo ago
    There was a PBS doc about it too, CBS is just comprised
    • immibis 10mo ago
      PBS funding has been cancelled.
      • _vqpz 10mo ago
        Federal funding has been canceled for now. PBS still lives on and who knows what will happen with the next administration.
    • JKCalhoun 10mo ago
      Frontline: https://youtu.be/Lku5h9xjrqc https://youtu.be/Lku5h9xjrqc
  • wwweston 10mo ago
    Things are bad, but the worst part isn’t hidden/missing principled reporting, it’s that a significant number of people don’t care to attend to it where it exists, domestically or internationally. And a majority of US voters cast their ballot for this outcome, so in a sense it’s democracy working as intended, however horrifying any problems or outcomes.
    • Alive-in-2025 10mo ago
      Plurality of voters, narrowly, but still it's enough. How many just vote Republican without thought as they have always done, how many are in the fox news cult? So many people just thought they didn't want a female president or Trump would lower inflation. It's hard for me to accept that Trump represents America, but he represents enough of it.
• jmward01 10mo ago
  This is why we need archive.org.
  • embedding-shape 10mo ago
    Just wish it was distributed instead of such a US-centric organization. For survival, I hope they're thinking about how to make it more decentralized, because eventually the arm of the law is gonna come after them (again), and probably with less mercy this time. Still a proud supporter of archive.org for many, many years. Their work is invaluable and I hope it stays around forever.
• ChrisArchitect 10mo ago
  Archive links are all good in the comments, but let's make the submission url one of the story links with context: CBS defends pulling 60 Minutes segment about Trump deportations https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrnv3keeneo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdrnv3keeneo or ‘60 Minutes’ Pulled a Segment. A Correspondent Calls It ‘Political.’ https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/21/business/60-minutes-trump-bari-weiss.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/21/business/60-minutes-trump...
  • g-b-r 10mo ago
    The story is exactly that you can watch it on archive.org, most people already heard that it was pulled
• Scoundreller 10mo ago
  Funny how it leaked out by sending it off to their Canadian distributor
  • idiotsecant 10mo ago
    Just another data point in the 'fascists are incompetent' trend. It's pretty lucky that one bug in the human firmware is moderated by another.
  • morkalork 10mo ago
    Sadly, that's the kind of mistake that only happens once.
    • JKCalhoun 10mo ago
      What, me worry? Plenty more creative mistakes still to be made…
    • Scoundreller 10mo ago
      They’re going to increase intern pay? Surely you’re joking.
    • ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
      Maybe not - ordinary people have been known to sabotage fascist regimes by making "mistakes". There's also the issue that incompetent people may be promoted well beyond their abilities due to them being "loyal".
  • dripdry45 10mo ago
    Funny how this is timed with the Susie Wiles “I’m an insider trying to do good” nonsense in vanity fair. That coont has been instrumental in so much bad stuff since Reagan… Looks to me like it’s all damage control/pressure valve release stuff designed to distract from any real change. Because SURELY we will get some real change finally, right?? /s
• g-b-r 10mo ago
  Something I hadn't heard yet about CECOT: https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/mass-grave-complex-mgc-identification-and-analysis-of-grave-site-candidates-gsc-1-2-at-cecot https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/mass-grave-compl...
  • dust4brekky 10mo ago
    It's worth noting that the founders of the Lemkin Institute have, between them, held multiple leadership roles in reputable academic departments devoted to the study of genocide, and have also both been on the ground during or shortly after genocides or other crimes against humanity as part of international teams tasked with figuring out what happened and how to hold perpetrators accountable. These are not some lightweight bloggers. The US government, in particular Kristi Noem, Donald Trump, and Marco Rubio, are, by the logic of the legal power they themselves invoked, war criminals who rightly belong in the Hague.
  • bgbntty2 10mo ago
    I found this quite interesting, but I don't understand how the articles claims we can see flesh. And the author's Substack has 2 videos of Trump kissing and patting Bill Clinton's groin area (through pants). They are likely AI because I couldn't find anything online about how they're real besides the original photo. And if they were real, why is no one talking about it? He claims for one of the videos that it's real. So it kind of reduced the author's trustworthiness a bit.
• JKCalhoun 10mo ago
  Using the torrent, you should be able to pull it down in a few minutes.
• why-o-why 10mo ago
  Too bad the only people that will watch this are people who already understand the terror of what is happening. It might have helped a little if it had aired. My MAGA dad still watches 60 Minutes (no idea why, habit?) This might have penetrated his TDS-addled skull if it had aired. But the takeover of CBS by Trump and Ellison (and his 1980's-college-villain son) with Weiss is complete, and vile.
  • suzdude 10mo ago
    Maybe suggest he watch? Maybe he's interested in what CBS's leadership refused to tell him. Streisand Effect and all.
    • why-o-why 10mo ago
      I debated asking, but I talk to him only a few times a year and we both work really hard to avoid politics. I realize it is my responsibility if I want to see change, but I just lack the skills.
      • mlrtime 10mo ago
        Your (positive) relationship with him is way more important than trying to change his mind politically.
        • Alive-in-2025 10mo ago
          This parental situation is sadly repeated endlessly in the US. My dad is a wealthy retired tech executive whose mind was seemingly taken over by Fox News. He's kind of now in an anti democratic cult and he gets angry if he is even exposed to other news sources.
          • mlrtime 10mo ago
            I wish I could get your viewpoint on this when he passes, if you still feel the same way.
• nutjob2 10mo ago
  The oligarchy is in full effect. This is exactly how it works, ie you scratch my back I scratch yours. Ellison kills this CBS report, he gets approval on buying WBS, or more to the point NetFlix doesn't. Same with Musk, Middle East dictators and all the others lining up for favors from Trump. Also he and his family is enriched in various ways by all the pardons he hands out. It's nauseating, but this is where Republicans live these days. The midterms can't come soon enough.
  • frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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    • nutjob2 10mo ago
      60 Minutes suddenly drops in quality when reporting on Trump? They had a fine reputation before this incident and paying Trump $16 million. Whats the BBC got to do with CBS?
      • frumplestlatz 10mo ago
        Yes? BBC had a fine reputation too
      • ozozozd 10mo ago
        They both have B in the middle - obvious irrefutable link between them. If you can’t figure out how that makes sense, OP doesn’t have anything to say! /s
    • nielsbot 10mo ago
      No
      • frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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• ordinaryradical 10mo ago
  Corruption is not merely something someone in power enacts in their choices; it is a rot that eats out the society from the inside. As individuals realize that nakedly appeasing the autocrat wins favor, they voluntarily corrupt themselves and others in hopes of advantage. More and more of the society enters the grip of this force and weakens until the truly valuable things—its resources, minds, institutions—are annihilated, stolen, and displaced by a hierarchy of criminals or warlords. This is how nations sink. It’s the story of many in Africa, South America, Russia—and now it is our own.
  • frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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    • ordinaryradical 10mo ago
      An all-powerful uniparty can do things like this: - deport or jail you without due process - ignore the law in service of its own ends - punish its enemies, pardon its allies - ignore the constitution - install loyalists in centers of power, oust dissenters - suppress media which challenges its hold on power - commit crimes - enrich its friends - declare its "plenary authority" to do the above Brother, you are looking for the deep state under every rock and it is out in the sunshine, smiling at you.
      • frumplestlatz 10mo ago
        [flagged]
        • piva00 10mo ago
          "No, you" is a bit of a lazy cop out. I ask this kindly: you don't really see a markedly increase in corruption across your government the past year? Not saying it wasn't corrupt and it became now, just that it increased in level and degree.
• r721 10mo ago
  >Here is Sharyn Alfonsi’s email to her ‘60 Minutes’ colleagues in full: https://x.com/grynbaum/status/2002943084322287815 https://x.com/grynbaum/status/2002943084322287815
  • r721 10mo ago
    Some more details: https://x.com/grynbaum/status/2003109023705387478 https://x.com/grynbaum/status/2003109023705387478 https://x.com/grynbaum/status/2003209942057255073 https://x.com/grynbaum/status/2003209942057255073
    • xenophonf 10mo ago
      For those of us without Twitter accounts: https://xcancel.com/grynbaum/status/2002943084322287815 https://xcancel.com/grynbaum/status/2002943084322287815 https://xcancel.com/grynbaum/status/2003109023705387478 https://xcancel.com/grynbaum/status/2003109023705387478 https://xcancel.com/grynbaum/status/2003209942057255073 https://xcancel.com/grynbaum/status/2003209942057255073
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• mrjay42 10mo ago
  Why all those articles on HN are "flagged"? And by WHOM? I've been watching this 60min piece, and there's nothing wrong with is. It's journalism well done. Do Trumpist minions have their ways on HN?
  • krapp 10mo ago
    It only takes a few flags to be effective and there are definitely more than a few Trumpists on HN so theoretically yes. Could also be the likely much larger contingent of people who flag all "political" and "non-technical" content by default. Like it or not Hacker News has never been (and will never be) a platform for free and open debate. It's designed around aggressive curation for quality over quantity and that makes it very easy to brigade by design.
    • UncleMeat 10mo ago
      > Could also be the likely much larger contingent of people who flag all "political" and "non-technical" content by default. It could, but that'd be odd. We've seen oodles of structurally similar posts hang out on the front page unflagged before. There are even past examples of major posts criticizing the journalistic integrity of 60 Minutes. Only once the material becomes critical of the regime does it become flagged.
    • alecco 10mo ago
      [flagged]
      • dust4brekky 10mo ago
        As an American whose mental health struggled for a while after the election, I now thoroughly curate my media diet so that I only get "just enough" political news. So I understand your desire. However, HN has huge sway over tech culture, for better or worse (probably worse). Many of the wealthiest and most influential fascists in America also run companies that HN users might work at or strive to work at. Probably not because they're fascists, but because they mostly care about the cool tech they use or just want a better job. Applicants and employees of ̶I̶B̶M̶ Palantir, ̶I̶G̶ ̶F̶a̶r̶b̶e̶n̶ Tesla, and ̶K̶o̶d̶a̶k̶ Oracle should know what they're supporting. If they take the job anyway, at least we know whose side they're on.
• UltraSane 10mo ago
  This should NOT be flagged.
• vdupras 10mo ago
  This, and Larry Ellison buying all news outlets in America. Things should be happening quickly enough so that it's obvious where this is all going, right? Whoever writes the next "Inglorious Basterds" should have a lot of fun parodying Larry...
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• tl 10mo ago
  I recommend everyone bookmark the archive.org link or download via the magnet link since HN is disappearing these. Also, any recommendations for a news site that doesn't suppress news? Asking for a friend.
  • r721 10mo ago
    It looks like mods manually removed flags for this one (it was flagged).
    • iLoveOncall 10mo ago
      It's still already low on the front-page, when usually posts with that amount of upvotes would stay at the top for multiple days in a row.
    • 47282847 10mo ago
      With enough karma users can vouch for flagged posts to unflag.
  • bmacho 10mo ago
    > Also, any recommendations for a news site that does suppress news? Asking for a friend. HN?
    • immibis 10mo ago
      [flagged]
      • Alive-in-2025 10mo ago
        It doesn't feel like it's suppressing the news. Can you give examples of suppression? I'd say hacker news is very open to contrary ideas and disagreements.
        • array_key_first 10mo ago
          If it's political, there's a good chance it gets flagged. The problem is pretty much everything is political when you have a government that sticks it's grubby little fingers where it shouldn't.
• rubyfan 10mo ago
  The timing of this might lead one to believe Paramount’s hostile takeover bid for Warner Brothers Discovery is a consideration in their editorial decisions. They and their competitor (Netflix) need regulatory approval for such a merger and the administration has already inserted itself into the deal.
  • pavlov 10mo ago
    It goes deeper. The Ellisons want to replace Murdoch as the state media for Republican administrations.
    • smt88 10mo ago
      I'm sympathetic to this idea but Larry Ellison will likely be dead in under 10 years and David Ellison has only ever been a Democrat. It seems more plausible that David Ellison will bend in whatever direction the wind is blowing.
      • estearum 10mo ago
        Plenty of dem-leaning rich folks have abandoned their "convictions" when they got a whiff of what sitting atop a real kleptocracy could be like.
      • sampli 10mo ago
        The Ellisons are friends of Netanyahu
  • xoa 10mo ago
    Hard to imagine that's the a core part of it, and pretty naturally in America the clear ongoing and unprecedented (in modern times anyway) corruption on that front is the focus. But it probably doesn't hurt that she appears to just be a really big fan of that particular dictator and torture prison specifically. Earlier this year her site "the Free Press" was all over them [0]: >"The hottest campaign stop is this Salvadoran supermax: House Republican Riley Moore went to the super maximum security prison in El Salvador to take some photos in front of the inmates. “I just toured the CECOT prison in El Salvador,” he writes, with pictures of him giving a thumbs-up, shirtless inmates standing at attention behind him. Moore gave a double thumbs-up in front of the men, densely packed in their cold metal bunk. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem took the same tour recently, posting a fun video in front of caged, tatted men." >"After Bukele left the White House, he thirstily tweeted, “I miss you already, President T.” Trump returned the favor, learning to say MAGA in Spanish: “¡America grande, otra vez!”" Etc. And she's been very positive on Bukele personally as well. Might be multiple reasons she'd gleefully want to spike such a story even if the commands of her owners take precedent. Edit: whew, this one sure triggered the technofeudalists and Baristans! From 3 to -3 for her own publication's and her statements. ---- 0: https://archive.md/dcPkJ https://archive.md/dcPkJ
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• constantcrying 10mo ago
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  • estearum 10mo ago
    It's actually a far less effective enforcement scheme than even Obama used both in absolute numbers and in priority. The Trump admin is stuffing the processing queue (which is normally overwhelmed with high-priority cases) with thousands of low-priority cases, which actually has the effect of keeping dangerous people (always been high-priority) in the country longer. Just what you'd expect from a totally braindead manager. Looks great if you're a malicious moron though!
    • constantcrying 10mo ago
      Targeting "innocent" people is the point. It makes sure that nobody wants to come in. >which actually has the effect of keeping dangerous people (always been high-priority) in the country longer. I agree. The processing should be much faster. The detentions are so stupid, just get them on a plane.
      • estearum 10mo ago
        > targeting innocent people is the point > the processing should be much faster And what do you call it if you slow down the processing, fill it with innocent people, and also get yourself bogged down in thousands of extremely costly (time, money, and focus) civil rights lawsuits? Answer: a very stupid policy.
        • blell 10mo ago
          Why did you remove the quotes around the word "innocent" that implied sarcasm? You can't quote things and modify the contents.
          • estearum 10mo ago
            In our country, someone who hasn't been convicted or otherwise adjudicated of a crime is called innocent. There are thousands of innocent people being deported. Perhaps these people committed crimes or administrative violations, perhaps not, but until they've been determined as such, they're correctly called innocent with no quotes. GP is speaking specifically about that subset of people when they use the word innocent.
• tohnjitor 10mo ago
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  • aaomidi 10mo ago
    We can pretty much eliminate rape and sexual assault in the US by locking up every single man.
    • blell 10mo ago
      You can lock up all the rapists with the same result and it would be much cheaper.
      • sjsdaiuasgdia 10mo ago
        Takes too long and too much effort to figure out which men are rapists and which aren't. Time to forget about due process and just assume they'e all the "worst of the worst".
  • ks2048 10mo ago
    If you're interested in the ancient Maya, El Salvador doesn't come close to Guatemala or Mexico (followed by Belize and Honduras). These are also wonderful places to visit, IMHO.
    • tohnjitor 10mo ago
      On my recent trip we also visited Honduras. It was an amazing experience.
  • afavour 10mo ago
    What part of your statement justifies the US sending unconvicted, non violent, non-El Salvadorians to CECOT?
• kardianos 10mo ago
  Bari Weiss had editorial comments that forced a delay. If you want to read her comments, look for them: https://x.com/thesimonetti/status/2003142908854313225 https://x.com/thesimonetti/status/2003142908854313225 They seem reasonable. The person doing this 60 minute segment has also pushed false stories in the past, which make her concern more relevant.
  • runako 10mo ago
    The arguments are nonsense. A summary is Weiss wants to make a case for the administration, which already has the largest platform in the world. If the administration wants to make a case for itself, it has (and has had) ample time to do so. As it stands, there is already a lengthy paper trail of arguments the administration has made in court. These arguments should take precedence over throwaway statements an admin rep might make to a news program. Briefly, on a couple of them: - "We then say that only 8 of the 252 have been sentenced in America for violent offenses. But what about charged?" In the US, those people are known as "innocent," whether or not Weiss likes that fact. - Holding a story until the administration is willing to go on record is exactly the same as giving the administration a veto over a story. We would not have adversarial journalism under these circumstances. - "The admin has argued in court that detainees are due "judicial review" —and we should explain this" These men were sent for indefinite detention to a concentration camp outside the US borders, and then the administration argued in court that it could not affect any change in their status. This argument from Weiss is transparently false.
  • skeeter2020 10mo ago
    Reasonable? They ALL boil down to "we need to get official comments, rationale and explanations from the administration". They refused to comment on the story, so you wait because if they CHOOSE not to participate you don't get to publish? That's never been how reporting works. Her comments about a lack of detail regarding the criminal records & charges? The administration is the party that refuses to share this! They are not even forthcoming with WHO EXACTLY has been deported. Bari Weiss bending over backwards to accomodate an administration that has never shown any sort of honesty or humanity is exactly why she was rewarded so handsomely. "They seem reasonable" is not even remotely close, when comparing "evidence-based truth" reporting with the president's "I speak the truth".
• sans_souse 10mo ago
  Direct Download link if anyone needs it is https://archive.org/download/insidececot/60minutesCECOTsegment.mp4 https://archive.org/download/insidececot/60minutesCECOTsegme...
• paulvnickerson 10mo ago
  Here's why Bari Weiss delayed the story: Hi all, I’m writing with specific guidance on what I’d like for us to do to advance the CECOT story. I know you’d all like to see this run as soon as possible; I feel the same way. But if we run the piece as is, we’d be doing our viewers a disservice. Last month many outlets, most notably The New York Times, exposed the horrific conditions at CECOT. Our story presents more of these powerful testimonies—and putting those accounts into the public record is valuable in and of itself. But if we’re going to run another story about a topic that has by now been much-covered we need to advance it. Among the ways to do so: does anyone in the administration or anyone prominent who defended the use of the Alien Enemies Act now regret it in light of what these Venezuelans endured at CECOT? That’s a question I’d like to see asked and answered. - At present, we do not present the administration’s argument for why it sent 252 Venezuelans to CECOT. What we have is Karoline Leavitt’s soundbite claiming they are evildoers in America (rapists, murderers, etc.). But isn’t there much more to ask in light of the torture that we are revealing? Tom Homan and Stephen Miller don’t tend to be shy. I realize we’ve emailed the DHS spox, but we need to push much harder to get these principals on the record. - The data we present paints an incongruent picture. Of the 252 Venezuelans sent to CECOT, we say nearly half have no criminal histories. In other words, more than half do have criminal histories. We should spend a beat explaining this. We then say that only 8 of the 252 have been sentenced in America for violent offenses. But what about charged? My point is that we should include as much as we can possibly know and understand about these individuals. - Secretary Noem’s trip to CECOT. We report that she took pictures and video there with MS-13 gang members, not TdA members, with no comment from her or her staff about what her goal on that trip was, or what she saw there, or if she had or has concerns about the treatment of detainees like the ones in our piece. I also think that the ensuing analysis from the Berkeley students is strange. The pictures are alarming; we should include them. But what does the analysis add? - We need to do a better job of explaining the legal rationale by which the administration detained and deported these 252 Venezuelans to CECOT. It’s not as simple as Trump invoking the Alien Enemies Act and being able to deport them immediately. And that isn’t the administration’s argument. The admin has argued in court that detainees are due “judicial review”—and we should explain this, with a voice arguing that Trump is exceeding his authority under the relevant statute, and another arguing that he’s operating within the bounds of his authority. There’s a genuine debate here. If we cut down Kristi Noem analysis we’d have the time. My general view here is that we do our viewers the best service by presenting them with the full context they need to assess the story. In other words, I believe we need to do more reporting here. I am eager and available to help. I tracked down cell numbers for Homan and Miller and sent those along. Please let me know how I can support you. Yours, Bari
• pwthornton 10mo ago
  Fascinating how this got leaked. A TV station in Canada accidentally ran the original episode version, implying that this was pulled super late and the episode was completely in the can.
  • stvltvs 10mo ago
    Was it an accident?
    • dripdry45 10mo ago
      Narrator: It wasn’t
    • embedding-shape 10mo ago
      Probably as accidental as the people doing the censorship of the latest Epstein files released today that had "accidents" about how they censured stuff.
  • Alive-in-2025 10mo ago
    It was completely finished. There's an article out today that says the main reporter on the story complained that the censor Bari Weiss had not bothered to appear at the previous five earlier screenings and reviews by the editorial team.
  • 1over137 10mo ago
    That was Global News, you can read about it here: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/cbs-news-says-global-mistakenly-posted-60-minutes-segment-issues-takedown-order/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/cbs-news-says-global-mi... If by 'ran the original episode' you mean on TV: no, they didn't, but they did put it on their 'app'. Considering how much Trump is screwing with Canada, maybe it was someone's small act of revenge.
• miguellacorte 10mo ago
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  • _vqpz 10mo ago
    We are not the world police
    • morkalork 10mo ago
      I wonder if we'll get another Team America World Police movie after the coming invasion of Venezuela
    • hackyhacky 10mo ago
      Certainly not. Police aren't supposed to help the criminals
  • anonym29 10mo ago
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    • tim333 10mo ago
      The "existential threat to Russia's security interests" is a bit of a Russian propaganda thing. No one was out to attack Russia. They have the world's largest nuclear arsenal. Ukraine was peaceful, hadn't joined NATO and wasn't formally planning to. I think it's more the "Russian Empire grew by about 50 sq km per day over 400 years" thing and they are behaving now as in the past. Times change though. Empires are a bit nineteenth century.
      • anonym29 10mo ago
        A citizen of the west saying what you just said is analogous to a Soviet citizen saying: The "existential threat to the USA's security interests" is a bit of an American propaganda thing. No one was out to attack the USA. They have the world's largest nuclear arsenal. Cuba was peaceful, hadn't joined the Warsaw Pact and wasn't formally planning to. regarding the Cuban missile crisis. The only difference is that Cuba was more than twice the distance to DC that NATO nuclear warheads are from Moscow and nuclear missiles travelled much slower in the 1960s than they do today. You are welcome to have your perspective, just remember that your perspective is shaped by a media landscape that is just as partisan, just as biased, and just as shaped by propaganda as Russian perspectives are. Further, consider that NATO's 2008 Bucharest declaration stated Ukraine would become a member. It's not like Russian concerns about Ukraine NATO membership came to them in a fever dream, these were concerns rooted in real, credible, public diplomatic discussions. It is frustrating that Western audiences accept framings about US security interests that they dismiss as propaganda when applied to adversaries. It's a double standard that betrays a lack of principled willingness to apply "defense" philosophy equally and impartially. If your application of principles isn't impartial, that's not principled reasoning, that's just cheer-leading for your own team. Of course, this isn't to deny that Russia was still wrong to invade Ukraine, or that the Russian military's actions are most accurately described as an invasion. Like I said before, two wrongs do not make a right. It doesn't matter whether Russia or the US refers to their military activity as "special military operations" rather than an invasion, it doesn't matter whether or not they have cited legitimate security interests before starting the invasion, invading another sovereign country, "firing the first shot", is a clear violation of the non-aggression principle. As this relates back to the original discussion, I'd further add that even if you don't care about principled consistency whatsoever, the US/NATO (essentially the same thing, NATO without US troops and ISR capabilities is mostly bureaucrats disseminating .pptx files in Brussels) track record on regime change (Iraq, Libya, etc.) doesn't inspire confidence that "taking down" the Venezuelan government would even be likely to produce good outcomes. Principled reasoning, consequentialist reasoning: the logical conclusion is the same: the US should not invade Venezuela for regime change.
• tonetheman 10mo ago
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• czottmann 10mo ago
  Here's the magnet URL to the torrent, can't hurt: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:734abc77f48d11c78543c52004b6f57db71d6d92&dn=60minutes-cecotsegment&xl=1483256352&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbt1.archive.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbt2.archive.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&ws=http://ia601703.us.archive.org/32/items/&ws=http://ia801703.us.archive.org/32/items/&ws=https://archive.org/download/
• anonym29 10mo ago
  I believe information wants to be free, and should be free, even when I don't unanimously agree with the information, so I will start by re-sharing the torrent magnet link for the video, which I am also seeding right now, and will continue to do so until at least a full month passes with zero activity: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:734abc77f48d11c78543c52004b6f57db71d6d92&dn=60minutes-cecotsegment&xl=1483256352&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbt1.archive.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbt2.archive.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&ws=http://ia601703.us.archive.org/32/items/&ws=http://ia801703.us.archive.org/32/items/&ws=https://archive.org/download/ That said, there seems to be lots of conspiracy-adjacent talk in here. Has anyone considered the impact of the previous Trump lawsuit against CBS over the Kamala Harris edits, or the Trump-BBC lawsuit, whereby CBS made a business risk decision to avoid a story that might have some individual aspects of questionable factual accuracy that could come back to bite CBS in a courtroom, like how BBC's selective edits of Trump came back to bite them? Paramount/CBS settled Trump's lawsuit over the Kamala Harris "60 Minutes" edit for $16 million in July. BBC is getting sued for $10 billion. It's not economically irrational for an organization that has already settled lawsuits for selective presentation of political information in the past to be more worried about $10b lawsuits than $16m lawsuits.
  • Alive-in-2025 10mo ago
    Resisting these economic threats, these lawsuits, is something that major media needs to do, otherwise they just get compromised step by step by the wealthy oligarchs.
  • bakies 10mo ago
    If they were worried about business then Bari's email would have read differently Not to mention that these lawsuits are completely frivolous and it just a way to bribe the president
• kenjackson 10mo ago
  Ironically, this might end up being more widely watched now (Streisand). I’ve seen multiple people on my Facebook link to different sources hosting the video. People who never would’ve heard about the story are now watching it through the lens of Trump and CBS trying to kill the story.
  • cmxch 10mo ago
    But who will believe it? Or just mass report it off the platform?
  • burkaman 10mo ago
    I doubt it, around ten million people watch 60 minutes live every week. Maybe that many will hear about the cancellation, but I don't think most will then seek out the full segment online, even if it's easy to find.
    • saguntum 10mo ago
      Yeah, even those looking for the full segment will have trouble finding it if they are not tech savvy and highly motivated. A relative in their 60s saw headlines about the cancellation and wasn’t able to find it until I sent them the archive.org link. They are relatively well informed and competent with technology but never go around digging for hard to find media. I think people on HN tend to overestimate how closely people follow news and how hard they are willing to work to seek out alternative sources of information. I’m with some extended family over the holidays. They might have seen this segment had it aired - I believe it was airing after some football game - but now there’s no chance of that happening. I don’t judge them for it at all, but most of their news consumption is passive through TV or social media. I think a lot of people follow news that way. Life’s busy. It kind of makes me understand a little better how the censorship regime in other countries is so effective despite it being so easy to hop on a VPN. Raising the barrier to entry even a little reduces the audience from 10,000,000 to a fraction of that, even with the censorship itself being public knowledge.
  • _moof 10mo ago
    I didn't even know 60 Minutes is still on the air, but you better believe I watched the shit out of this segment.
• _3u10 10mo ago
  It’s saved so over 15,000 lives and protected the human rights of millions of Salvadorans. Truly a great accomplishment. I’m excited to see what positive coverage CBS has of this great development in human rights in El Salvador.
  • manuelmoreale 10mo ago
    Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 5: No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
    • _3u10 10mo ago
      Agreed. 15,000 el Salvadorans have not been subjected to arbitrary execution. A triumph of the rule of law.
  • FridayoLeary 10mo ago
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    • manuelmoreale 10mo ago
      How about caring for both? How about that as an idea? It’s impossible for you to accept that you can arrest and jail all those people to protect the lives of regular citizens but also not torture them while they are in jail?
    • ozozozd 10mo ago
      Sigh… there is no such thing as forfeiting your human rights by committing a crime. You only forfeit your freedom temporarily. And why mention that inmates have forfeited their human rights if you see no evidence of abuse? Weird thing to pre-argue.
      • FridayoLeary 10mo ago
        Of course there is. Freedom is a pretty fundamental human right. We don't mind taking it away from some people, sometimes permanently. Then of course the death penalty is a thing. Now organised abuse, or even not taking steps to prevent such abuse is accepted to be a bad thing by most of society so that shouldn't happen. But my concern isn't directed in any way towards violent gangsters that held an entire country hostage.
• gmd63 10mo ago
  Larry Ellison is using his bags to purchase lies and silence. No economy can be in true equilibrium when the consumers send profits to be spent in unforeseen and unrelated ways like this. Every purchase carries potentially immense future costs that are almost completely opaque. Free market maximalists need to confront this fact before praying at the altar of complete deregulation, and every consumer should pay more attention to who they are buying from.
  • jaredklewis 10mo ago
    Sorry what regulation in particular are you thinking about here? There’s no logical anti-trust angle I can think of. I mean of course I think the outcome here is bad, but I’m struggling to think of a kind of regulation that could have prevented it that isn’t completely insane. Edit: Listen everyone, it sucks, but there's no "one weird trick" where you can have a congress, judiciary, and executive branch dominated by Republicans, that then governs like Democrats. This isn't a "regulation" problem. It's a "roughly half the country wanted this" problem. Adding more regulations is not going to suddenly make the FTC act right; we have thousands of regulations already on the books and if they wanted to do something, they could.
    • tantalor 10mo ago
      In July 2025, the Ellisons bought CBS (Paramount) through Skydance. This was approved by Trump's FTC. The FTC is responsible for enforcing regulations that would prevent mergers that negatively impact the quality of services and innovation. They aren't doing their job.
      • vunderba 10mo ago
        Agreed. Let's also not forget that a large part of the reason that the Skydance/Paramount merger likely went through in the first place was because Paramount paid off Trump to the tune of 16 million USD by settling a lawsuit in which he alleged deliberate deception during his Kamala Harris interview on 60 Minutes. https://www.npr.org/2025/07/02/nx-s1-5290171/trump-lawsuit-paramount-cbs-60-minutes-kamala-harris https://www.npr.org/2025/07/02/nx-s1-5290171/trump-lawsuit-p...
• lbrito 10mo ago
  Thanks for sharing. The way things are here, this will soon be censored - sorry, I meant flagged - here as well.
  • frumplestlatz 10mo ago
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    • TimTheTinker 10mo ago
      How is this emotionally driven? It seemed like a dispassionate presentation of factual material to me. Of course, no presentation of facts is without bias of some sort (if only via their choice of which facts to present), so don't ever stop thinking critically. But flagging/censoring any presentation of facts (even biased) never helps, regardless of your viewpoint. If you disagree, write or promote a thoughtful take that explains why. I'm politically very conservative, and I'm super grateful for this. The intense political polarization in the US tends to allow party-line adherence on either side to substitute for accountability to the truth, and that is a disaster regardless of which side is currently in power. Whatever side you're on, please have the guts to hold your side's leaders accountable to the truth, not just the opposite side's leaders. We will all suffer if just one side fails to do that.
    • Alive-in-2025 10mo ago
      I strongly disagree with your assessment. Are you unhappy that it's discussing how the wealthy people are getting control of the us? Please make dispassionate arguments to support your views.
    • jennyholzer2 10mo ago
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    • lbrito 10mo ago
      That's a dumb take. Burying your head in the sand won't change reality. If you cared to even watch the content you flagged, you'd have seen one of the former prisoners was a young college student with no criminal ties. I'm from south America and also went to college in the US. It could've been me.
• pjdesno 10mo ago
  Bryan Cantrill, "Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886728 The specific lines about Ellison and a lawnmower start at 38:28 in the linked video; the entire Oracle rant starts at about 34:00.
  • nielsbot 10mo ago
    We shouldn’t anthropomorphize any billionaires. They’re not even people at that point, just destructive aliens who undemocratically ruin everyone’s good time. We need confiscatory taxation for a better future.
    • smashah 10mo ago
      The Ellison Cabal represent the primary enemies of freedom all over this earth. It's imperative to defeat them.
    • jama211 10mo ago
      Whilst true, it’s important to focus on the worst ones first, as with everything there is a scale.
      • embedding-shape 10mo ago
        It's kind of saying we should only focus on the #1 mass-murdering dictator in the world, so while many of them are actively slaying people, lets just focus on #1 for now. No, we can have many targets. People who hoard money for the benefit of themselves with the detriment of society and the population at large are all "destructive aliens who undemocratically ruin everyone’s good time" to borrow the words of parent commentator. If just 10% were slightly less evil and egoistic, it would lead to huge improvements, and only a slight reduction to their own lifestyles. That they don't, is a stain on the legacy of humanity.
        • jama211 10mo ago
          Nice straw man, I argued for nothing that you are arguing against.
• aerostable_slug 10mo ago
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  • morkalork 10mo ago
    The difference is the show's audience and its perceived weight and impact. I, a millennial, will watch stuff on youtube and already know about what's happening. That's not relevant. This is about the boomer generation who watches sixy minutes and what they see and perceive.
    • lawlessone 10mo ago
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            • bdhe 10mo ago
              I don't see a rebuttal to his point that you are okay with people getting put into secret prisons as long as you're not inconvenienced. Are you just complaining that you were called out? I think most people come to HN assuming folks are discussing their viewpoints in good faith with both an honesty of thought and the willingness to listen to opposing viewpoints. You've shown neither.
• misiti3780 10mo ago
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  • Alive-in-2025 10mo ago
    Because this is a very public example of the high level attempted censorship of us news media by people who support the current government. Disastrously, most of the major us media outlets have been bought by wealthy oligarchs who are politically aligned with the president and there's an active process of censorship. It's actually true that at CBS News Bari Weiss was installed as a political minder to make sure that reporters don't do anything conservatives don't like. This is also relevant because plenty of these would be censors are wealthy silicon valley conservatives.
    • misiti3780 10mo ago
      > It's actually true that at CBS News Bari Weiss was installed as a political minder to make sure that reporters don't do anything conservatives don't like. Are you able to provide any proof to back up that outrageous claim ?
  • ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
    The answer to this question is always that enough people find it interesting. If you don't find it interesting, then please refrain from posting questions like that.
• ProofHouse 10mo ago
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  • beej71 10mo ago
    The report did not say they were all non-violent criminals. It explicitly said some of them were violent criminals.
  • Psillisp 10mo ago
    “propaganda both ways” Yuuuuuuup sure is no reason this is happening on archive.org and torrent. Nooooooo reason the story was Epstein Filed. No reason at all…
  • 2OEH8eoCRo0 10mo ago
    Why don't we round up every single person in America then? Many are violent criminals afterall! /s The lack of due process is what's at issue here.
  • ozozozd 10mo ago
    And some of them are nonviolent legal immigrants.
• offtotheraces 10mo ago
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• postflopclarity 10mo ago
  everybody involved is evil.
• bparsons 10mo ago
  No matter what your politics are, this is a pretty dark turn for the United States.
  • ozozozd 10mo ago
    I’d bet $40 that no conservative will agree with that, and $60 that very few conservatives will agree with that.
• engineer_22 10mo ago
  I expected a piece titled "Inside CECOT" to have a part where the principal journalist actually goes there.
  • bakies 10mo ago
    Don't think she could
    • engineer_22 10mo ago
      Why not? Many journalists have already been there. EDIT: See, ABC's Matt Rivers was /inside/. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol0dcwHCb8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol0dcwHCb8Q
• frugalmail 10mo ago
  Anybody watch Nick Shirley's tour and interviews at CECOT? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrK9nVLAqwk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrK9nVLAqwk I thought he did a great job. I'd love to hear what others that have seen both think since I'll want to put aside some time to watch this one after all the holiday hustle and bustle are done. I think it's a great model based on what Nick's tour showed.
• rldjbpin 10mo ago
  stepping outside the (geo)politics, externalizing deportation to a third country has been attempted in the past as well [1], which ultimately did not succeed. this was also partly due to the ridiculous cost per deportee. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38275396 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38275396