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India launches attack on 9 sites in Pakistan and Pakistani Jammu and Kashmir

• arjunrko 2y ago
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• Animats 2y ago
  So far, military action is confined to Kashmir. If it gets out of that disputed area, this becomes a major war.
  • Jtsummers 2y ago
    Not just Kashmir. > The Indian government said its forces had struck nine sites in Pakistan and on Pakistan’s side of the disputed Kashmir region. Pakistani military officials said that five places had been hit, in Punjab Province and its part of Kashmir. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/06/world/asia/india-pakistan-attacks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/06/world/asia/india-pakistan...
    • nothercastle 2y ago
      I don’t think Pakistan will escalate. They are at a severe disadvantage unless china gives them the green light.
      • AnimalMuppet 2y ago
        Can you explain? What does China's green light give to Pakistan? Are they not able to attack full strength without China's permission? And if so, why?
        • snypher 2y ago
          China is about the only regional power big enough to face off with India, so any move by Pakistan would require Chinese approval lest Pakistan risk China siding with India and getting squished. Edit; asking Mom for permission to beat up your brother?
          • alephnerd 2y ago
            Overstates the power China has over the Pakistani Military. Pakistan has built close ties with Turkiye as well to provide a redundancy along with spare parts for older American/NATO weaponry, along with some leverage when dealing with the Chinese. If anyone has the power to force both to the negotiating table, it's the UAE and KSA due economic and military ties with India and Pakistan. It was both that negotiated the ceasefire that went in flames after Pehalgam - not the US nor China, plus India views China as a direct adversary.
            • fooker 2y ago
              > Overstates the power China has over the Pakistani Military. China has been building Chinese-only gated company towns in Pakistani military properties for a couple of years now.
              • alephnerd 2y ago
                I know. That's part of CPEC, but similar projects and gated communities have been built by Saudi, Emirati, and Turkish FDI partners in Pakistan as well. Most of the Chinese investment in PK is in Balochistan which falls under the Balochistan Corps, which is somewhat independent/left to it's own means by Islamabad. And Pakistan's armed forces relies an equal amount on Turkiye, as a number of Pakistan's critical weapons platforms such as the F-16 require servicing, and Turkiye is the primary source for non-US replacements for NATO parts due to their own attempts at indigenization during the 2010s. As I mentioned somewhere on HN, I recommend reading Ayesha Siddiqui's research into the Pakistani Armed Forces.
    • Karrot_Kream 2y ago
      India calls this a targeted strike so for now at least they don't seem to be messaging a strong stance on expanding the strike.
      • KennyBlanken 2y ago
        "Targeted strike" is meaningless PR-speak and the concern wouldn't be India expanding the strike, it would be Pakistan retaliating and then India retaliating to the retaliation and so on until someone's finger is hovering over a big red "LAUNCH" button and the rest of us have to take a keen interest in how much iodine we're consuming. I and a lot of other people have been calling "India and Pakistan get into it again" ever since Russia started blowing up Ukranian maternity wards, supermarkets and apartment buildings. Ukraine is bleeding Europe and the US dry in both money and military supplies. The US just emptied even more munitions at the Houthis (largely accomplishing nothing) to the point that people in the Pentagon have been concerned enough to approach press. The regime also moved carrier groups closer to Yemen to support said operation, so of course now that mom and dad are looking away, the two children are fighting. Meanwhile Hegseth has been hard at work causing complete chaos with an endless stream of junior-manager "get tough" policies, mixed in with some policies furthering his white christian supremacist views. Russia has basically run out of everything but has made enough seedy friends who will eventually ask for favors China is fixated on Taiwan but really wouldn't say no to any territorial expansion, if anybody offered, or um, didn't happen to have much in the way of allies who were paying attention. Our SecState is a little boy cosplaying as a diplomat, nobody with more than a handful of braincells is present in the white house, and the republican party is more intersted in what some trans person did at a swim meet or volleyball tournament, than they are what's going on in the world geopolitically... Basically, everyone's busy looking at something else, so Pakistan and India shrugged and said "After all, why shouldn't we...have a war?"
        • SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
          > The US just emptied even more munitions at the Houthis (largely accomplishing nothing) It got drowned out because it happened today as well, but the US announced that they’re going to stop because Oman helped negotiate a ceasefire that will protect Red Sea shipping.
  • ivape 2y ago
    Pakistan shot down five jets. This just went beyond Kashmir.
    • breadwinner 2y ago
      That's a claim made by Pakistan, not confirmed by photos or videos from credible sources.
• aaron695 2y ago
  When have two nuclear nations done similar? Ignoring proxy wars and technicalities (NK and USA) Kargil War - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War (1999) India and Pakistan The memeification of the current escalation has been talked about a lot. Memes, and we are talking cat memes not the more theoretical abstractions like 10 page whitepapers that become popular, seem more powerful than people expect. I know India and Pakistan(less popular on HN?) users are asleep ~4am but this should be voted higher. Instead we'll get the 100th ill-thought-out but emotional opinion piece on a 'popular' twitter conflict on the front page. [edit] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict China Russia (1969) China's first nuclear test (1966)
  • redwood 2y ago
    China nips at India from time to time
    • rcpt 2y ago
      But they confine that conflict to only using sticks
      • mensetmanusman 2y ago
        Prepping for the battles post nuke.
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  • zmgsabst 2y ago
    US military and Russian PMCs exchanged fire in Syria — and I remain skeptical that wasn’t approved by Russian MOD (even though they claimed it wasn’t). I agree memes seem undervalued.
• dang 2y ago
  Related articles (from threads we've merged hither): https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/06/world/asia/india-pakistan-attacks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/06/world/asia/india-pakistan... (https://archive.ph/Bph7S https://archive.ph/Bph7S) https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/06/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-conflict-hnk-intl https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/06/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-c... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2025-05-06/india-strikes-pakistan-after-kashmir-attack https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2025-05-06/india-st... (https://archive.ph/eypzA https://archive.ph/eypzA) https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwyneele13qt https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwyneele13qt
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    Let's not have nationalistic flamewars on HN, please.
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  • kdtsh 2y ago
    Unless you mean they should get on a level and work through their differences, that’s an awful thing to say. There are over 3,000,000,000 people living in India, Pakistan, and China.
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• jmclnx 2y ago
  I have believed and still believe India and Pakistan will engage on the first nuclear war :( I hope it does not happen, but the way things are going in this world, I would not be surprised. In the past, the USSR and the US would try to broker peace between the two countries. I doubt anyone will try now.
  • alephnerd 2y ago
    India has a dedicated No First Use Policy, and the former head of India's nuclear command gave an in depth presentation about India, Pakistan, and China's nuclear doctrine at Livermore Labs a couple years ago - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpIrZvP0Co https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpIrZvP0Co Most of the conversation about a nuclear war is dated (30-35 years old) because it was based on the 1990 standoff, before which India and Pakistan did not have a hotline similar to that which the US and USSR developed. After the 1990 standoff, that was developed, and was clearly implemented during the Kargil War in 1999 (just because Clinton admin didn't want to call it a war because of NPT implications doesn't mean it wasn't a war). At this point, be more worried about Ukraine or South Korea - Russia's nuclear doctrine has become much more questionable after the 2022 invasion, and North Korea's nuclear doctrine remains hazy. I recommend reading "Dangerous Deterrent" by Paul Kapur (former head of strategy at the State Department under Bush, and now Trump's nominee for South Asia Strategy).
    • jjk166 2y ago
      Policies can be changed, or ignored. The question is would Pakistan trust its neighbor, with whom it has decades of animosity and in this scenario is currently at war, to stick to such a policy? While I personally doubt this particular instance will escalate to nuclear war, or even a major conventional war for that matter, the situation is clearly very dangerous. Doctrine is a terrible indicator of what a country will actually do. For Russia and North Korea, even though their doctrines may be hazy, their geopolitical positions indicate they are unlikely to start a nuclear engagement. Russia has a very large conventional military which, despite it's significantly worse than expected performance, is slowly but steadily making progress in a war that other great powers are not willing to directly join. Conversely, half the world's nukes are pointed squarely at Russia. Their strategy pretty much the entire time under Putin has been slowly normalizing their military actions, use of nuclear weapons in even the most minimal capacity would be very likely to provoke exactly the military response they don't want and would gain them nothing. Their nukes exist specifically to deter that response. North Korea is even more clearly disadvantaged by a potential nuclear exchange. Sure they have enough nukes to cause serious damage to South Korea, but they already had the conventional forces to do that long before they got nukes. They could strike America, and do quite a bit of damage, but they have no hope of doing enough damage to prevent a retaliatory strike that would kill the regime. They are caught between two major nuclear powers, the US and China, and their nukes are clearly to prevent one from attempting a regime change without relying too heavily on the other. Both of these states would probably have ceased to exist by now if they did not have nukes, and both will stop existing if they ever use nukes. They are more or less stable. India and Pakistan are a totally different story. Both need nukes to deter not only eachother but other neighbors, which produces a heavily destabilizing effect (eg if India builds more nukes to counter a buildup in China, Pakistan needs more nukes, which means India needs even more nukes, and so on). Further, neither nation is staring down the barrel of a true clusterfuck arsenal like those possessed by the US and Russia - while it would no doubt be catasrophic beyond anything the world has seen before, a nuclear exchange between the two nations is potentially survivable. Finally you have not just two governments but two populations with a deep seated enmity rooted in religious conflict, it is easily possible for the entire chain of command to be willing to go against their personal self interest with no one in a position to pump the brakes. It's a situation that could become very bad, very quickly, without anyone doing anything too absurd.
• ferguess_k 2y ago
  I hope this cools down into a propagation war after the initial bombing and shooting. Nationalism served, and every one gets what they want, well, except the dead ones...
  • alephnerd 2y ago
    Depends on internal politics in Pakistan. The army isn't completely united, and the current COAS of Pakistan (Asim Munir) is much more ideological than the former one (Qamar Javed Bajwa), who he pushed out after Bajwa and Imran Khan demoted Munir from the ISI to a (relatively) lowly Corp Commander. Bajwa was working on normalizing relations with India, but himself got undermined by Imran Khan and separately by Asim Munir.
    • brcmthrowaway 2y ago
      Who instigated the attack on India?
      • alephnerd 2y ago
        LeT, backed by Pakistan. Yet the Pakistani Army is not uniform either. Bajwa literally attempted to normalize relations with India before he was undermined by Munir. COASes don't last as long as they used to, and there absolutely is consternation to being pulled into the old days.
    • mayama 2y ago
      It's result of supporting fundamentalist terrorism and supporting infrastructure nationwide. After sufficient growth, the extremist support base started being recruited into lower levels of army and the support grew from there. Going forward, fundamentalist support in Army will continue to grow even in upper levels.
    • markus_zhang 2y ago
      I heard the ISI is also quasi independent, too.
• digitalPhonix 2y ago
  From the article: > Pakistan said India hit three sites with missiles, and a military spokesman told Reuters his country shot down five Indian aircraft, a claim not confirmed by India. That’s a huge loss of aircraft! Are there any corroborating reports or more details about the aircraft/shootdown?
  • alephnerd 2y ago
    Hasn't been confirmed. The Indian government says all pilots are accounted for. It's the fog of war, and OSINT/couch generalling in the manner that people did with Israel or Ukraine won't work with India and Pakistan. India has been leveraging the DPDP and national security laws really heavily to remove leaks on social media over the past couple weeks. All major social media platforms have a representative the Indian government coordinates with on information takedowns. Major reason Musk backed off on his stance about X takedowns with India unlike with Brazil. And on Pakistan's side, while there have been leaks on social media of troop movements, Pakistan has been implementing China's Great Firewall domestically for the past couple years now. If it was truly deemed critical, Pakistan would most likely lock down their domestic Internet.
  • breadwinner 2y ago
    No credible photos have surfaced so far—if the claim were true, some likely would have. It’s possible the Pakistan army is making this statement for domestic audiences, perhaps to deflect pressure to respond.
  • aaron695 2y ago
    Planes down confirmed - https://x.com/Doha104p3/status/1919922881892430275 https://x.com/Doha104p3/status/1919922881892430275 5 planes not yet, but it seems more than one. Indian and Pakistan TV are saying 3. Indian planes crashed in India.
    • breadwinner 2y ago
      That post is not from any credible source.
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• MichaelMoser123 2y ago
  The bad news: there is some real potential for escalation due to the suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/indias-water-will-flow-only-in-india-vows-pm-modi-amid-tensions-with-pakistan-over-suspension-of-indus-waters-treaty/articleshow/120937628.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/indias-water... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Waters_Treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Waters_Treaty Wasn't there something in the intro of "Mad Max fury road" about water wars?
  • alephnerd 2y ago
    Overstated. There isn't any long term locking capabilities on most rivers under the IWT. The only one India is messing with is the Chenab, and only because it messes up Pakistan's Rice and Sugar exports (major forex provider for Pakistan, and the supply chain is heavily owned by Pakistan's MilBus). Kharif sowing season ends in a couple weeks so messing with the Chenab for 3-4 weeks is enough to destroy the rice harvest in Northeast Punjab. I recommend reading Ayesha Siddiqui's "Military Inc" to understand the Pakistani army (she was forced into exile because of the book), and "Army and Nation" by Steven Wilkinson to understand India's army.
    • MichaelMoser123 2y ago
      I hope you are right, however: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Waters_Treaty#Suspension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Waters_Treaty#Suspension Following the suspension of the treaty, India significantly reduced the flow of water through the Chenab River, which crosses into Pakistan. Pakistani authorities claimed a 90% drop in water supply and accused India of choking the river’s flow. India also initiated new hydroelectric projects and began constructing dams on the western rivers, actions previously constrained under the treaty.[125][126][127] Pakistan has reportedly warned that any attempt by India to disrupt the flow of water from shared rivers could be considered an act of war, and would attack India with nuclear weapons.[128]
      • dmix 2y ago
        Just sounds like a good deterrence for Pakistan to not go to war to me. It really is in their hands right now. India just wants to save face over the terror attacks, a very easy game to play diplomatically. This missile strike was even smaller and more symbolic than even the Israeli Iranian ones. And those two are much more inclined (and far more prepared) to do something stupid.
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• 2Gkashmiri 2y ago
  2gkashmiri reporting live from Srinagar. Ama
  • alephnerd 2y ago
    How is the halat in Srinagar? My extended family in Jammu Division is sending fairly hectic WhatsApps (seems similar to back in 2013 and 2016). Smh, as if the rainburst a couple weeks ago wasn't bad enough.
    • 2Gkashmiri 2y ago
      Yeah. That area is devastated. Srinagar is fine for now. Schools and colleges have been ordered closed. I will go and check the market in a bit, its still early (08:09) so things are pretty slow anyway.
      • alephnerd 2y ago
        > That area is devastated Most of Jammu Division is alright (eg. Kishtwar is relatively quiet). The issues are more prominent towards the ilakeh near the LoC and international border. It's like the bad old days again from what I'm hearing, back when you'd hear about some shelling in pind X killing 2-3 unlucky souls who couldn't make it to a bunker on time.
        • 2Gkashmiri 2y ago
          i meant the rain thing on srinagar-jammu highway
          • alephnerd 2y ago
            Ah my bad! Yea, it was pretty bad.
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• neom 2y ago
  I've been thinking recently about how business has been a pretty decent wrapper around wars and killings, arenas, lands, whatever, just: competing for human death. However, I've also been thinking that in late stage capitalism, genuine entrepreneurship is probably increasingly difficult to get into, leading to less genuine opportunity, leading to less business, leading to idle hands, leading to the devils workshop.
  • ivape 2y ago
    You know, I sit on a few Christian discords and all they do on it is fight between each other (denomination vs denomination). They sit around and combatively go after each other and there is also interfaith beef that happens constantly on those Discords (Muslims vs Christians is a big one). It's almost like ... yeah, I have to agree with you. It's almost like if the human doesn't have a true and good outlet for energy, then bad energy comes spilling out. I don't know what these cats in Kashmir sit around and do all day, but if it's anything like the venues I'm describing, then yes, they are sitting around riling themselves up against the "other". This was one of the videos of the terror attack that sparked this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TyztPaQfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TyztPaQfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwKKcwk8Cc8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwKKcwk8Cc8 26 dead, and about 17 injured in the terror attack. There were 5 jets shot down in the retaliation. I don't know how reciprocal the retaliation was. This is tricky.
    • neom 2y ago
      I lived in Manhattan for 20 years and during the Obama years I was traveling across the country a lot, was very obvious to me Trump was coming but people thought I was nuts. I'd head back to the city and sip a cosmo thinking "people really love to hate 'other'".
      • slt2021 2y ago
        I tend to take Marxist view: elites always exploit the common man, and when the common man becomes unhappy, it is the best strategy to channel hate towards the Other so that regular folk dont start asking inconvenient questions. Like every time there is small blip in economy in the Us, it is always illegals and immigrants in general and poor people are blamed. Always. Never have I ever seen a PE billionaire getting blamed for acquiring companies by borrowing at 0% rates and firing people to and outsource jobs People in Bay Area feel it is okay to pay 50% in marginal taxes on payroll, while billionaire class either doesnt pay at all, or pays 10% capital gain at best
• nblgbg 2y ago
  I believe it's mostly overstated. Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested either. However, the Modi government wants to project strength. They were unable to locate the terrorists even after two or three weeks and needed a distraction. So, they targeted some areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK). In response, Pakistan claimed to have shot down four Indian aircraft and a drone. However, so far, they haven't provided any pictures or locations to support these claims. Both sides will likely exchange fire along the border, and the situation will eventually calm down. Each side will claim victory in its own way.
  • JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Pakistan is not economically strong enough to participate in a war, and India is not interested Proxy war between U.S. and China. We’re moving the naval assets that were bombing the Houthis. India seizing Pakistan-administered Kashmir cuts Islamabad off from China.
    • sandspar 2y ago
      The Pakistan-India conflict is orthogonal to America and China's.
      • slt2021 2y ago
        It is useful for the US to isolate China from Iranian oil resources. Currently Iranian oil can go via Pakistan to China. Thats how Us operates: exploits old conflicts for its own immediate benefit, like it did with Ukr-Rus war. If some people die on both side it is acceptable for the Us, because these are not Us citizens dying
        • maxglute 2y ago
          CPEC isn't viable energy coordidor yet - no completed oil/gas infra from Iran to Pak to PRC. Which only leaves trucks, and the roads not designed to support 5000+ trucks per day for Irans 1m barrels per day.
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  • JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > People said the same sorts of things when Germany suddenly invaded Poland Hell, look at HN on the eve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. One of the top comments was essentially a dismissal from Kherson edited to an "oh shit."
    • krainboltgreene 2y ago
      Putin is a particularly deranged type of fascist though, much like Bush, who is okay making the poor calculation of a Ukrainian invasion for the benefit of a wartime economy. Even German ambassadors in Ukraine were caught off guard having to leave that night. Modi is a different type of beast, he's a long term political power that doesn't need a wartime economy, and is still establishing his internal power. He's going to have to deal with the insane SS brigade he's fostered eventually. Also while Putin and others thought that Ukraine would fall like Afghanistan (quickly), zero people think that Pakistan is going anywhere within this eon. While it's not the graveyard of empires, it's definitely the hospice.
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      • sofixa 2y ago
        > Putin is a particularly deranged type of fascist though, much like Bush, who is okay making the poor calculation of a Ukrainian invasion for the benefit of a wartime economy While Putin is undoubtedly deranged, I think his goals with invading had much more to do with delusions of grandeur and trying to rebuild the Russian/Soviet empire than wanting the "benefit" of a "wartime economy". Russia was drastically unprepared for a long war, and its economy, heavily reliant on export of raw materials and import of finished goods, has suffered.
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          • saagarjha 2y ago
            There is no just war that involves killing children.
    • kumarvvr 2y ago
      > India attacked Pakistan with zero evidence that Pakistan supported any terrorists I though Osama Bin Laden was found living happily with 4 wives in Pakistan. Even the US had to do a covert operation to kill him. Pakistan shielded him and withheld his whereabouts for almost a decade. Pakistan is a know terrorist breeding ground, aided and abetted by the Military, which holds the real power there.
    • cute_boi 2y ago
      > zero evidence that Pakistan supported any terrorists Pakistan is country where their government supports terrorism, and a simple search and lesson on history is sufficient. And, I hope you know the name of country Osama was hiding.
• asdf6969 2y ago
  What a horrible time to work in an industry with mostly foreign coworkers.
• dd_xplore 2y ago
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  • cuteboy19 2y ago
    there are no elections of consequence in that country
  • buyucu 2y ago
    you basically described India.
    • unmole 2y ago
      So, a country where the incumbent party loses its parliamentary majority and has to rely on smaller regional parties is fascist?
      • suraci 2y ago
        the Nazis only tallied 43.9 percent of the vote on their own, well short of a majority to govern alone
        • unmole 2y ago
          The Weimar Republic wasn't fascist either. The Nazis immediately banned all other parties after they seized power. They didn't win outright majorities in two consecutive free elections, spend a decade in power and then lose. So, whatever analogy you're trying to draw doesn't really work.
      • saagarjha 2y ago
        Fascism is the actions you take, not how much of a majority you have.
        • unmole 2y ago
          > Fascism is the actions you take Losing a majority after a decade in power seems like the opposite of what a fascist regime would do.
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  • anukin 2y ago
    Notes to mods: this user have engaged in many such diatribes with expressive intention to derail a meaningful discussion.
    • suraci 2y ago
      is this a diatribe? if you think so...
  • TiredOfLife 2y ago
    Both India and Israel doesn't like countries that support terrorism.
• su8898 2y ago
  A few months ago, I stopped reading random news and decided to stick only to Hacker News. But now, even Hacker News is filled with random content. I guess there's no escaping the news these days.
  • huevosabio 2y ago
    I logged odd Twitter and can only access it through an eink device. I am much saner now. I really enjoy reading the community here chime in on current events, but I also lament that I can't shield my online consumption from the news.
    • bdangubic 2y ago
      HN is the easiest place to skip the content you are not interest in
      • huevosabio 2y ago
        Of course, but the problem is not that I am not interested, it's the contrary I am instinctively attracted to it! If it was lack of interest I wouldn't need to place so much friction between me and Twitter.
  • Apocryphon 2y ago
    Talking about armed brinksmanship between two nuclear powers is sooooo random, maybe a more specialized community like they have on Reddit is more your speed?
    • su8898 2y ago
      Thanks for the judgment, but I think you might have missed the point I was making.
      • ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
        What point are you trying to make? HN has always had threads about major events and two nuclear powers fighting is a major event.
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      • saagarjha 2y ago
        Putting everyone in jail is also an effective and proven means to tackle crime.
    • abhiyerra 2y ago
      No, just going back to India’s first recorded battle: Battle of Ten Kings.
  • tomhow 2y ago
    We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43911404 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43911404 and marked it offtopic. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
• surume 2y ago
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  • cyrux004 2y ago
    May such bold assertions should require proof to be shown to leaders of other nations
    • db1234 2y ago
      Proofs have been provided in lot of previous terror attacks like 26/11 Mumbai attack, Pathankot, Pulwama etc. What did Pakistan do with the proofs? Nothing.
    • surume 2y ago
      What type of proof would you like? An official statement by Pakistani militias that the government asked them to do it? We see similar tactics being used in Syria by Al-Jolani / Al-Sharaa to wipe out the Alawaites (20-50,000 executed) with the same being planned for the Druze. That way the government can say "it wasn't us", although of course, they didn't prevent it.
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• skc 2y ago
  Let me go re read "Midnight's Children" for the umpteenth time
• babyent 2y ago
  Hoping for a quick resolution and diplomatic victory for all people there. I’m scared of the geopolitical effects. On a side note.. Can we get the Peace and Prosperity update next, ASAP? Let’s bring out the aliens issue and work on interstellar travel and galactic survival instead of terrestrial disputes. I just want to live in a chill world. And for me that’s science and tech tree maxed out.
  • throw63 2y ago
    > and for me that’s science and tech tree maxed out. Hate to ruin it for you, but as soon as the economic elites don't need the masses anymore (eg because AGI produces goods and entertainment better than we do), we'll become a liability, dead weight, so they'll quickly use that same maxed out tech that made us obsolete to make us gone.
    • babyent 2y ago
      If enough people can be convinced of a “serious” extraterrestrial event we might be able to speed up that science and tech tree. Honestly think about the spending and the opportunities it will unlock. Not to mention we might all stop fighting each other and work together… on science and tech. So much of the science and tech we use today was the result of some similar storytelling, and it has sometimes had some real consequences.
      • lelanthran 2y ago
        You should have preceded that with "Watchmen spoiler alert".
        • babyent 2y ago
          Looked this up I had no idea. I only watched the watchmen movie and never realized the threat was aliens like I was thinking. I thought it was Dr Manhattan being perceived as an evil guy by the general population. I think programming people to believe there’s a credible ET threat would be kind of cool. It would never affect them, and it would be hard to prove or disprove either way. And people would rather err on the side of expansion and survival, than extinction.
• KnuthIsGod 2y ago
  Another American proxy war in the offing ? The US have been arming and supplying Pakistan for decades.
  • tim333 2y ago
    I can't see it. I don't think the US wants to get involved.
• amai 2y ago
  Are their any natural resources in Kashmir worth fighting for? Oil? Gas? Lithium? Rare earth metals?
  • newusertoday 2y ago
    water, look at indus water treaty for more details. As per last report it is in abeyance neither suspended nor terminated. Not sure what it means.
  • Hilift 2y ago
    Kashmir is a natural buffer zone.
  • Aloisius 2y ago
    Supposedly half a trillion dollars in lithium resources, but how much of that is commercially viable to extract isn't known. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_lithium_reserves https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_lithium_re...
• ptek 2y ago
  How does this war affect US companies moving their manufacturing from China to India? Will they stay in China to carry on manufacturing? Will Apple extend manufacturing in China?
  • sanmon3186 2y ago
    Almost none. Even if this situation prolongs, it will only affect the bordering areas in the north. India cannot afford a war if it wants to grow as it projects itself on the international stage as an alternative to China. Pakistan cannot afford it financially.
    • __s 2y ago
      To put size in perspective: India is 7th largest country, half the size of Australia, or a third the size of US
• chvid 2y ago
  There is a lot of Indian English-language media on YouTube and Twitter. There the war drums have been sounding strongly for the past weeks. They seem to draw a parallel between India/Kashmir/Pakistan and Israel/Gaza/Iran - seeing India as the superior and morally just super power against a weak corrupt dysfunctional terrorist-sponsoring Pakistan. So in that thinking right now there is an opportunity to get a final solution on Kashmir and throw a punch against Pakistan so strong that it will fall apart for good.
  • nashashmi 2y ago
    India has been notoriously hostile to its minorities and it seeks displacement of the “majority” population of Kashmir because they have been seeking secession from India. Typically when a country has acted harmfully, world leaders of the west have intervened especially in the case of India and Pakistan because it is a great disruption to trade and profit. It seems this time the West is overwhelmed with several issues including the backlash against Israel from its own people, that they are exhausted.
    • chvid 2y ago
      Yes. Right now the thinking in the west seems to be that India has a bigger role to play in terms of geopolitics as a replacement of / balance against China. And India seems to have picked up on this and sees a greater opportunity to act in areas where it otherwise would have been constrained by the west.
      • aurareturn 2y ago
        This is a good take. India is definitely aware and is playing the west for advantages as an alternative to China.
    • ngc248 2y ago
      Just because you harp over the same thing again and again about "India has been notoriously hostile to its minorities" does not make it true. Infact, the minorities in India have been notoriously hostile to the nation and care more about their ummah.
• gps372 2y ago
  My compliments to whoever chose the mission name 'Sindoor'. It is very apt for what it implies and signifies in the wake of terror attack at Pahalgam!
  • suprjami 2y ago
    Congratulating war is disgusting. What's your next post? Fawning over how cool "Final Solution" sounds?
    • LordGrignard 2y ago
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      • gps372 2y ago
        Apparently, some folks have either been blissfully unaware of reality or are just desperate to parade their performative wokeness. The terrorists made sure to ask the religion of the Sindoor before symbolically erasing it—because apparently, even brutality comes with selective targeting. And in a poetic twist, the government and the Army honored those very women—while unapologetically ramming that same religion right back down the throats of the terror industry’s headquarters.
        • LordGrignard 2y ago
          "The terrorists made sure to ask the religion of the Sindoor before symbolically erasing it—because apparently, even brutality comes with selective targeting." got to correct you here, Sindoor is not a type of person to be asked about its religion lol its an accessory applied by hindu women after marriage symbolizing their marriage itself. The whole sentence is either a very shakespearean play on sindoor in which case, apologies good sir , and in case it isnt, now you know! have a nice day lol
  • saagarjha 2y ago
    India is newlywed?
• Calliope1 2y ago
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  • simonswords82 2y ago
    I was going to say the opposite. Seems on all the main news outlets (Financial Times et al) have disabled comments. I was happy to see this being discussed on HN and I’ve yet to see Middle East or Trump being censored but happy to be signposted to evidence of this on HN.
    • oliwarner 2y ago
      I've no issue with this being discussed here. I welcome it. I can't find you a list of showdead. They're unlisted and Algolia doesn't preserve them. I see them because I subscribe to a 50+ score RSS feed. I regularly see popular posts flagged off the home page for what appears to be partisan reasons, but is often justified as "non technical".
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  • seatac76 2y ago
    I don't think stuff like this belongs on HN, I come here to get away from the news.
• incomingpain 2y ago
  Lets hope for a short quiet war. Some thoughts as an outside observer with no dog in the race. ISI no doubt kicking themselves for getting caught orchestrating the pahalgam attack. Pakistan cant afford to be in this war, but India has been increasing their military for over 10 years. Doubled the spending is enabling broo-ha-ha. But neither side can ever corner the other side; and spending millions of USD equivalent to blow up mudhuts and never really achieve anything. I do expect they can say goodbye to the Karakoram highway. India wants that destroyed asap. India will likely focus heavily on Jammu/Kashmir. Ladakh will happen only if China invades India again. Punjab is likely an open target for Pakistan; but pakistan likely not interested in targeting them.
• cake-rusk 2y ago
  India said no Pak military targets were hit. If Pakistan downed Indian jets you can bet military targets would have been hit.
  • diggan 2y ago
    According to the submission, this is what India said: > India said it struck nine "terrorist infrastructure" sites, some of them linked to an attack by Islamist militants on Hindu tourists that killed 26 people in Indian Kashmir last month. Four of the sites were in Punjab and five in Pakistani Kashmir, it said. Since you're saying this is a lie, maybe link to some source for this, since the source we currently have available, says the opposite.
    • Reubachi 2y ago
      You must have misread, OP is saying that IN did not confirm/mentioned downed Aircraft. They of course did confirm downing military targets, that is...the title of the submission we are discussing.
    • cake-rusk 2y ago
      Pak terrorist infrastructure is not a military target even though they are hand in gloves with the Pak army.
      • diggan 2y ago
        > Pak terrorist infrastructure is not a military target Maybe we understand "military target" differently? Going by the Geneva Conventions: > In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage. This is at least how I understand the term, and by that understanding, "terrorist infrastructure" could be considered legitimate military target. What understand of those terms do you have?
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• anuraj 2y ago
  Neither India nor Pakistan can sustain a conventional war for more than 2 weeks, as they do not have sufficient armaments. Both sides also lack an effective defence against short-range missiles and drones. If the situation deteriorates, it can quickly lead to nuclear war as nonrational actors are present on both sides. I hope this situation does not escalate further. Please note that in a conventional war, economic costs of India would far outweigh those of Pakistan, whose economy is much smaller.
  • loweritnow 2y ago
    incorrect, India can sustain a conventional war for a prolonged period. pakistan's begging for loans on twitter right now
    • anuraj 2y ago
      India does not have ordnance, nor the capacity to make them quickly. Due to the Ukraine war, the same is in short supply in the open market. 2 weeks is stretching it. Please note that autonomous drones, guided bombs, ESM measures, and artillery power are crucial to sustained wars now. Both countries lack strategic bombers to deliver guided bombs effectively.
• uwagar 2y ago
  i wonder where the terrorists went during the coronavirus pandemic. there was almost no problems in gaza or indo-pak area.
  • loweritnow 2y ago
    training probably
    • uwagar 2y ago
      yeah all of them were training. at least you didnt say the suicide bombers were scared of the virus ;)
      • loweritnow 2y ago
        they dont have the notion of microbes. all they know is violence and the fake history taught in their madarasas
• seatac76 2y ago
  Things most likely will not escalate. These terrorist attacks are always planned by Pak Army with the next steps in mind. Pak Army needs a war to re assert it's dominance. It is under a lot of pressure domestically due to what they did to democratic opposition, so precipitating war with India would provide a chance to consolidate the base. The choice of explicitly targeting people by religion was done to ensure an Indian response. Which is what their Chinese backers also want, start a war to ensure India gets distracted. Smart geopolitics on their part. Long term India will have to think through deterring such terrorist actions from Pakistan. Pakistan was and remains a epicenter for Islamic terrorism and sooner or later the world will have to confront it, they have been getting a pass for far too long. Deterrence will only come when the real perpetrators which is the Pak Army - Jihadi complex is deterred. Hell Pakistani people might be better off without the current Pak Army. As for the Indus Water Treaty shenanigans, nothing will happen there, it's all posturing.
  • bigyabai 2y ago
    I'd just like to see the evidence that India claims justified their attack. Between this and the fallout of the Canadian Sikh assassination, it's really starting to feel like Modi's government doesn't care about having a believable narrative at all.
    • seatac76 2y ago
      I really do not think the onus is on India to provide evidence every time a terrorist attack happens when it’s official Pakistan policy to orchestrate it. Evidence was provided during previous conflicts Kargil, Mumbai didn’t do much did it. As for the Canada thing by your logic still waiting on evidence from Canada.
• whatsupdog 2y ago
  When George Bush attacked Iraq, 3 reasons were given: 1. Dictatorship - no democracy. 2. Terrorist training camps (including Al Qaeda). 3. Weapons of mass destruction. All 3 were true for Pakistan at that time. Parvez Musharraf was a dictator. Whole world knew about the terrorist training camps in Pakistan, and Osama was finally found there. And they had demonstrated their weapons of mass destruction. So why Iraq and not Pakistan? USA instead started giving Pakistan 5 billion a year and 75 F16s. Shame on USA.
• neets 2y ago
  Ah so is India v Pakistan going to be the next current thing?
• Hilift 2y ago
  Even if Pakistan wanted to do something to reign in the extremists near the borders, they don't have the resources. Pakistan required a $7 billion loan from the IMF last September just to function. This is a very precarious situation for towns near the border or the tribals. "Violent extremist groups continue to plot attacks in Pakistan". https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/pakistan-travel-advisory.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rv7le52lo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rv7le52lo https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/PAK/pakistan/gnp-gross-national-product https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/PAK/pak... https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/ind/india/gnp-gross-national-product https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/ind/ind...
  • nnain 2y ago
    So India is helping them clear some of those camps. Pakistan can very well be thankful for this one then!
• bikezen 2y ago
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  • tomhow 2y ago
    Several stories about Gaza have spent a lot of time on the front page.
    • computerthings 2y ago
      Yes, and? None of it left untouched, ALL of it pushed down, and most of it flagged and disappeared.
      • tomhow 2y ago
        When we leave them "untouched" they disappear rapidly due to community flags and automatic flamewar penalties. The only way for us to give them exposure is "touch" them – to override the flags and flamewar penalties (i.e., push the threads back up onto the front page), then spend hours poring through the comments to try to minimise the effects of the most inflammatory ones. Still, we do it often, but only when the story has "significant new information" which is always the test of whether a story belongs on HN. As a comment: you keep coming at us with these accusations but don't seem to ever mention a specific news story that you think should have had a prominent discussion here but didn't.
  • mountainriver 2y ago
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    • tomhow 2y ago
      If you suspect organised/targeted flagging/downvoting, you can email us at hn@ycombinator.com and we'll investigate it. We really do want to investigate such cases, as people who do it are abusing HN (though we do have mechanisms to detect flagging/voting abuse). It's against the guidelines to allege it in comments.
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• Neonlicht 2y ago
  I was reading the obituary of the Dutch guy who helped Pakistan get its nukes a few weeks ago. Thanks to him and a few visionaries the balance was maintained Harper style!
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