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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport
- alilsumpinditto 2y ago[flagged]
- DamonHD 2y agohttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0q080y02xgt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0q080y02xgt Also, posted later as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43083016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43083016 https://liveandletsfly.com/delta-crash-toronto/ https://liveandletsfly.com/delta-crash-toronto/
- gnabgib 2y agoIn terms of mainstream coverage, CBC's is better: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-pearson-overturned-airplane-1.7461227 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-pearson-overt...
- rkagerer 2y ago"water machine"
- dang 2y ago(We eventually merged all these threads, in case the context switch is confusing to anyone)
- guardiangod 2y agoThat's incredible. The plane literally turned over and burnt but no casualty. The flight staff must have done as amazing job keeping everyone calm and helped everyone get out of the upside, burning plane.
- donsupreme 2y ago3 in critical condition so I read.
- culi 2y agoI also read everyone is expected to survive. Hope those in critical condition are able to make a full recovery
- ls612 2y agoSurvive sure. But one of the people in critical condition is a small infant that got thrown out of their lap belt so they will probably have life-altering injuries from this.
- RachelF 2y agoIt also looks like a wing has been ripped off. That passengers could survive an accident involving so much force is surprising.
- chrisco255 2y agoDid it roll after landing or before landing?
- hinkley 2y agoThe fact that people lived suggests after.
- alistairSH 2y agoI saw a report that it was after touchdown. I’m guessing wind, ice, or something else moved the plane off the centerline and into a crab, it hooked a wheel off the pavement, and cartwheeled. 100% conjecture at this point, just seems like a possible chain of events.
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- haunter 2y agoVideo from a passanger, the hull is upside down! https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=617972644350232 https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=617972644350232
- philip1209 2y agoAnd the wing is missing
- rkagerer 2y agoI think the tail assembly also sheared off. Here's what the CRJ900 looks like intact: https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.cloudfront.net/Pictures/780xany/0/8/3/108083_crj900cdeltaairlines_818853.jpg https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.cloudfront.net/Pictures/780xany/0/8/3... Tail and/or wing debris can be seen on the left side of this photo (forward of the aircraft nose): https://i.cbc.ca/1.7461358.1739833036!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/4x3_1180/ont-pearson-plane-crash-20250217.jpg https://i.cbc.ca/1.7461358.1739833036!/cpImage/httpImage/ima...
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- mikeyouse 2y agoI know they need to control any possibility of a fire but man would it be a rude awakening to escape a significant plane crash, release your seatbelt while hanging upside down, make it to the exit door and then get sprayed in the face with cold water on a February day in Toronto.
- georgemcbay 2y agoAfter feeling like you might have legitimately barely escaped death everything you can feel feels pretty good until the adrenaline high wears off.
- mlacks 2y agoill take that over consumption by fire
- haunter 2y agoVideo from a passenger https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=617972644350232 https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=617972644350232
- bbor 2y agoOk I'm not at all judging, or condemning. But this: 'I was just in a plane crash. Oh my God,' says one woman who filmed herself upside down in her airplane seat. Is a goddam surreal sign of the times. Absolutely surreal.
- lfaw 2y agoWell, I am judging this at least a little: Why is the first reaction of this passenger to make a video of herself? Makes me wonder if there ever was an accident where first aid was delayed because somebody had to make a video first....
- havefunbesafe 2y agoI think theres some tech sway here. Ex: I wonder how technology changes how we recall events and WHEN we recall them. The plane that flipped upside down being a great example. Likely less than 1% of people use a diary to recount insanely major events of their lives. In the 1980s, lets say 80% of people used diaries/journals to recount the events of their lives. That number today is probably less than 1%. But NOW 100% of people use their phones to recount events via video. They dont try to remember what happened, since its there captured at the time of the event. Diaries recount the event after the information has decayed and there’s a minds-eye element to it, so it has additional subjectivity because reading a diary you have to imagine what happened in the past instead of a visual aid.
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- yreg 2y agoApparently everyone survived (at least so far). /r/aviation thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1irsmp8/airplane_crash_at_cyyz_within_the_last_hour/ https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1irsmp8/airplane_...
- paul7986 2y agoDamn so many airplane crashes in the last 12 months ... pretty sure a lot more then the norm!
- MattGrommes 2y agoSo many in the last 6 weeks!
- apercu 2y ago[flagged]
- chrisco255 2y agoAir traffic controllers were not laid off. Nevermind that this is Toronto. And Delta pays for its own mechanics.
- apercu 2y ago[flagged]
- anyanswers 2y agonon sequitur
- culi 2y agoThey are indeed being laid off https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/trump-begins-firings-of-faa-air-traffic-control-staff-just-weeks-after-fatal-dc-plane-crash/ https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/trump-begin...
- schnable 2y agoThat article says one air traffic controller was laid off.
- kps 2y agoThree critical among eight injured, according to https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/local/peel/article/live-updates-one-kid-two-adults-critically-injured-after-airplane-crash-at-toronto-pearson/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/local/peel/article/live-updat...
- swat535 2y agoHow is it possible for a plane to be flipped like that? This is terrible..
- neom 2y agoIt was gusting 40 to 70mph at yyz today, RJ9 has a max crosswind landing limit of 32mph... de-crabbed a plane that size on ice in heavy wind, interesting choice.
- ghaff 2y agoCross-winds are bad. I was in Vancouver once flying to Victoria with a co-worker. We were supposed to take a helicopter but the winds were too bad so we caught a plane. Taking off, I'm pretty sure a wing just missed a ground and we looked at each other. Things were OK but it was probably the roughest flight I ever had.
- aqueueaqueue 2y agoToo windy for a helicopter does not inspire plane flying confidence! Scary!
- HPMOR 2y ago[flagged]
- thegrim33 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_accidents_and_in... Seems to instantly prove you wrong ..
- elashri 2y agoThe comment said specifically "Major" accidents within specific time frame. I don't see anything in your link contradicting them. The claim was not that there were not any accidents.
- 827a 2y agoAnd the convenient thing about a word like "major" is, you get to define it however you want!
- _moof 2y agoOk, then let's define it. There is a world of difference between Part 121, Part 135, and Part 91 operations. Almost no one in America will ever be on a 135 or 91 flight. If we limit ourselves to 121, which is what we're actually talking about when we talk about air travel, then you've got Southwest 1380, and before that you have to go all the way back to Colgan.
- culi 2y agoIf anyone's wondering. Based on the link we have, Fatalities: 2025: 77 (2 fatal accidents) 2024: 0 2023: 0 2022: 10 (1) 2021: 0 2020: 9 (1) 2019: 7 (2) 2018: 1 (1) 2017: 0 2016: 0 2015: 0 2014: 0 2013: 13 (2) 2012: 0 2011: 0 2010: 0 We do indeed seem to be having a particularly bad year. It's only February of 2025 and there's been more than double the total deaths than in the past decade
- lukev 2y ago[flagged]
- bell-cot 2y ago> I don't understand why... Spend some time talking to a Libertarian zealot. Not saying that you should believe any of their assertions. Let alone adopt their worldview. But you might get a sense of how less-government-is-always-better "logic" works.
- 0134340 2y agoRegulate people because people can do wrong but don't regulate business entities because capitalism will punish their misdeeds. That's essentially how the "logic" goes. If the airplane company kills people, we just have to stop giving them our business, problem solved, all is good now.
- matthest 2y agoAs a half-Libertarian, the problem with a lot of libertarian logic is that it's too black and white. Less government/regulation is good if and only if the underlying market is highly competitive. High competition protects consumers. Examples: restaurants, barbers, tailors, spas, almost anywhere small businesses exist. All ancient, well-functioning industries that are comparatively minimally regulated. The problem with deregulating banks is that the banking industry is low-competition. A few corporations dominate the landscape. So deregulation just strengthens the predators. All deregulation should be accompanied by an equal effort to foster a massive amount of competition within the industry. Otherwise, things can go south rather quickly.
- apercu 2y agoIf you agree that all people are fundamentally "good". But that's not true, so the barber will start skimping on barbicide and people will start getting infections. We need regulation because people are not fundamentally "good", even if they mean well. I'm glad you're "half-libertarian" because you are halfway there!
- iwontberude 2y agoThe plane is.. upside down?
- b112 2y agoStarting to wonder of subtle hacking is involved.
- toss1 2y agoThe "subtle" hacking is removing the regulations requiring safe maintenance and procedures, removing people responsible for maintaining and implementing the regulations, and removing the people responsible for controlling the traffic safely. In a highly complex system, all the hacking you need is to allow the ordinary chaotic systems to run more wild and stochastic errors will degrade the system with less traceability than "subtle hacking" — it's hiding in plain sight. When Facebook or Twitter "Move Fast and Break Things" the consequences are a few users can't use a feature for a while until they notice the issue and patch it. Do the same with the air transport or health care systems and you start filling morgues.
- ifyoubuildit 2y agoSo are you saying that the root cause of this crash (and the others I suppose) is something that happened in the last 4 weeks?
- toss1 2y agoOnly that that is a more likely explanation than "subtle hacking". It could of course all be coincidence, or it could have to do with consequences of 1) election of a wrecking-ball administration hell-bent on destroying all regulations, and 2) terrorizing the entire federal workforce including the Air Traffic Controllers. The heaviest-casualty US crash in 16 years happened shortly after a "you should all resign now" memo went out along with news of plans to massively fire federal workers AND a manager in the control tower had one controller handling multiple types of flights so another could go home early, in this case including the military helicopter and the AA5342 flight. A significant discrepancy between ATC and helicopter altitude was seen in the conversations and not followed-up. It is so far-fetched that a controller handling the duties of two and worried about his job would miss something, and the root cause being chaos at the top? Similarly, initial reports mention maintenance issues as possibly implicated in today's Delta crash; considering the wrecking-ball-to-regulations of the incoming administration, it is no stretch to think Delta mgt might well have started cutting maintenance expenses shortly after 05-Noveber-2024. Who is going to notice and fine them? In any case, both coincidence and a wrecking-ball administration are more likely than "subtle hacking".
- einhard 2y agoI stitched together a small audio clip from LiveATC with both the Ground and Tower frequencies mapped to the Left and Right audio channels. It starts around the time the aircraft was cleared to land, and then skips forward to the moment the controllers realized the aircraft crashed. Here is a link to the .mp3 file (it's on Discord for now - I don't know if this is allowed, let me know if it isn't): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668315121772134401/1341161260192104448/YYZ_Crash.mp3?ex=67b4fd42&is=67b3abc2&hm=8fbc24aaf3163c5ec2d0c521a6816cc3488a8306673b3f932f90717587d7eb78& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668315121772134401/13...
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- meithecatte 2y agoThe discord link will die soon. The attachment links started expiring at some point last year IIRC.
- s-lambert 2y agoIt'll sort of die, you can't access them directly but if you take the link and paste it into discord (like one with just yourself) then it'll still work.
- InDubioProRubio 2y ago[flagged]
- mmarquezs 2y agoTbh I am even surprised those links were a thing to begin with, at the end it is mainly to share stuff on their chat platform, they sort of allowed that, but feels weird that it was a thing to begin with.
- InDubioProRubio 2y ago
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- mrandish 2y agoIt's going to be interesting to hear how the plane ended up flipped upside down. There's ice on the ground so maybe a skid on braking resulting in hitting something near the runway causing the flip.
- 0xjunhao 2y agoMaybe we should build more railways. The ground is more stable than the air.
- crazygringo 2y agoJust because the ground is more stable than the air doesn't mean there aren't train collisions. Air travel actually has a lower fatality rate per mile than trains do. Rail crossings can be dangerous places.
- _moof 2y agoThe Shinkansen has had one fatality in its entire existence. Domestic air travel is insanity, and I say this as a pilot and a flight instructor.
- seszett 2y agoAnd the TGV has only had deaths once during a test run.
- crazygringo 2y agoThat's cherry-picking to the extreme. Not only are most trains not Shinkansen, not even most trains in Japan are Shinkansen.
- seszett 2y agoOnly the Shinkansen (and TGV on my sibling post) can be compared to planes though. Local or IC trains might be compared to cars in the US.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoDoesn’t the Shinkansen and other HSR systems get rid of at grade road crossings? Yes, without people actually crossing in the tracks, you’ll get less deaths that way.
- Kapura 2y ago[flagged]
- userbinator 2y agoToronto is in a different country than the FAA.
- redcobra762 2y agoAmerican company, taking off from an American airport with mostly American passengers. The only thing about this flight that wasn’t American is the destination…
- declan_roberts 2y agoThanks for pointing this out. I was worried something might be fundamentally wrong with airlines, but now I can rest assured that it was just Trump all along.
- redcobra762 2y agoThe very day your colleagues and your own career are put under jeopardy is a day you will not be at your best. Chaos breeds error, and Trump’s treatment of federal employees is the very definition of chaos.
- userbinator 2y agoCanadian ATC.
- mgeorge001 2y agoWe'll probably get blamed for it anyway, justifying even more tariffs on Canada.
- userbinator 2y agoAVherald has a page for this already: https://avherald.com/h?article=52439b47&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=52439b47&opt=0
- loeg 2y agoVASAviation has a short stitch of relevant recordings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiUC8h4pkcs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiUC8h4pkcs
- anonCoffee 2y ago[flagged]
- WalterBright 2y agoI've not seen any video of the crash. Usually, when there's a crash, dash cam or other amatuer video caught it. Which leads to my repeated bafflement as to why there are no video cameras constantly pointed at flight ops at the airport. If every 7-11 can have a security cam recording hi-def 24/7, why can't a couple of these be mounted in the tower pointed at the tarmac?
- MichaelZuo 2y agoHow do you know there aren’t any? It seems a lot more likely the security managers aren’t in a hurry to release them to the public.
- WalterBright 2y ago> How do you know there aren’t any? Have you ever seen one?
- MichaelZuo 2y agoIf you mean in the terminal, then yes? I’ve been to Pearson plenty of times. They could all have malfunctioned at the time, but I doubt it.
- ceejayoz 2y agoAt an airport? They’re everywhere. Even the little tiny general aviation ones. My dad flies out of I69. Their tower & ramp cameras are broadcast live. https://www.sportys.com/webcams https://www.sportys.com/webcams
- DC-3 2y agoSure, the Aeroflot Sukhoi crash a few years back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgWSwbXMehI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgWSwbXMehI
- ceejayoz 2y agoOr last year's crash in Japan when an airliner hit a coast guard plane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7IEaHTlaTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7IEaHTlaTU
- screye 2y agoLots of recent incidents with regional bombardier jets. First DC, now this. Have there been any recent with major commercial jets yet ?
- noirbot 2y agoI don't know much, but my guess would be that smaller planes are more prone to both of these issues? The DC problem was a collision between pilots who didn't see each other in time, which seems more likely with a smaller plane, and this seems to be because of wind/traction, which also seems like it would be more likely with a less heavy/large plane?
- sitharus 2y agoSmaller planes fly more often, and there's a lot more of them, so statistically they're more likely to be involved in any incident. The DC collision was an accident waiting to happen, but that airport only serves single-aisle jets and runway 33 can only be used by the smallest of those - like the CRJ and Embraer model. And in this case, it remains to be seen what caused the unexpected roll.
- _moof 2y agoRegionals are also where the newer pilots work.
- weaksauce 2y agoa regional is a major airline if not in name but in practice. they contracted out for delta and are considered commercial aviation for the statistics. they had 80 people on board which is still quite a lot of people... smaller than a 777 sure but still a large bird.
- dlcarrier 2y agoThere's all-around been a lot aviation incidents, in the last couple of months. Less than a week ago, a 737 hit a truck on the runway in Rio de Janeiro, and last Christmas an ERJ E190 was shot down Azerbaijan, followed a few days later by a 737 in Korea smashing into a concrete wall after the end of the runway.
- synergy20 2y agotoo many aircraft accidents these days what's the root cause
- mpalmer 2y ago[flagged]
- tourist2d 2y ago[dead]
- typeofhuman 2y agoIf the pilot survived, it's long COVID. If they died suddenly, it's the jab.
- scarab92 2y agoThere are fewer and fewer accidents per passenger-mile every year (allowing for some noise because they are rare events) You're just hearing about it more because there are more planes than ever before, and more media exposure than ever before.
- ls612 2y agoUnfortunately this year is well on track to be a significant increase in the casualty rate from commercial aviation even if nothing happens for the next ten months. While a lot of progress has certainly been made it is concerning that the trend is moving in the wrong direction.
- scarab92 2y agoOne year is not a trend, especially because there are only a few events per year.
- 0xbadcafebee 2y agogravity
- YuukiRey 2y agoIt's always interesting to follow the discussions on PPRuNe https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/664303-delta-crj-crash-toronto-17th-feb-25-a-5.html https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/664303-delta-cr... Unverified reports by another pilot are that the plane struck a wing then sort of cart wheeled
- hanche 2y agoIndeed. Likely a wing tip strike, the right wing was ripped off, then the left wing is of course still flying so its lifting force rolls the plane over until that wing hits the ground. I think it stayed attached, so after that, the plane just slid to a stop. Edit: Saw a video, looks like the pilot flying failed to flare so they just hit the ground really hard but wings level, probably the landing gear collapsed. Not clear what caused the right wing to be removed. In any case, the plane left the frame so you couldn’t see what happened next.
- hanche 2y agoToo late to edit further, but I should add that there could be many reasons for the apparent failure to flare. I did not intend to speculate that the pilot is to blame. That is for the crash investigators to figure out.
- YuukiRey 2y agoHere's some better footage https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1is1qoy/video_of_feb_17th_crash/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1is1qoy/video_of_... I don't think the "wing struck ground" is really an accurate description based on this footage.
- mikequinlan 2y agoHas anyone found the wings yet?
- creativeSlumber 2y agoI've been looking for a video of the landing to see how it over turned, but haven't found one yet. I would have expected all airport runways to have multiple security cameras pointing at them t all times in this day and age.
- dawnerd 2y agoTakes time to get that released and probably will eventually. Surely someone was plane spotting and got it.
- topherclay 2y agoHere is the first video I saw posted on the aviation subreddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1is1qoy/video_of_feb_17th_crash/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1is1qoy/video_of_...
- sandworm101 2y agoIt looks like he didn't flare, just continued strait in. Maybe they lost visibility?
- mvkel 2y agoVery strange. Almost like the altimeter setting wasn't set to the right number?
- sandworm101 2y agoDoubtful. The radalt should have been screaming "sink rate" or something similar in the cockpit regardless of the pressure setting.
- smeeger 2y agoshe*
- cryptoegorophy 2y ago
- xyst 2y agoConfidence and trust in flying at an all time low. DAL about to dip at MO tomorrow. Airlines about to get a massive bailout, again.
- bsimpson 2y agoIt's wild to me that this is at the top of Hacker News, but not even on the Google News front page. I feel like major airline crashes are usually headlines.
- umeshunni 2y ago[flagged]
- areyourllySorry 2y ago[flagged]
- dang 2y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- umeshunni 2y ago/Ack
- tensor 2y agoIt’s on all the news sites in Canada.
- DidYaWipe 2y agoIt's mystifying that any airport with commercial service doesn't have cameras with a full view of every runway recording 100% of the time. You can't steal a catalytic converter without being on video. We have webcams placed behind eagles' nests in our national parks. Yet somehow we have no recordings of plane crashes at our airports. Then of course there's the lack of cameras on the planes themselves...
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- Arainach 2y agoWhy do you assume no footage exists? Why do you assume that any footage the tower has should be released to the public immediately?
- DidYaWipe 2y agoWell, it seems that there have been several crashes over the last few years where no on-site footage surfaced... whether there's any of this one or not.
- wood_spirit 2y agoFootage existing and footage being released to the public are two different things. I understand there is a public Voyeur interest in seeing crashes, but how does releasing footage of accidents aid investigation or safety outcomes?
- DidYaWipe 2y agoIt can aid pilots, for one thing. I watch air-safety/accident-analysis videos all the time. They are often extremely informative and promote a safety-oriented mindset and the refreshment of one's commitment to procedure. I also read scuba-diving accident reports. They reinforce best practices that I also explain to others in the context of what I've seen in said reports over and over.
- smashah 2y ago[flagged]
- lazyasciiart 2y agoOr was it because they got rid of the DEIcers?
- smashah 2y ago[flagged]
- dang 2y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- smashah 2y agoIt was not intended as ragebait, it was intended as an intentionally stupid joke. Thanks for linking the guidelines, I have read them now. My apologies. Feel free to delete the comment, I cannot see the option to do that anymore.
- TimByte 2y agoMajor respect to the first responders and passengers who helped each other
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago...and those that made sure they took their hand-carries off with them. Nb: I do know that the actual condition of 'shock' will sometimes induce irrational behaviour.
- thehappypm 2y agoIs it possible that it was actually safer to grab it? Like if these items were stowed under your seat, then the plane flipped and now they’re in the “aisle”. Maybe picking it up actually clears the path? Maybe leaving it behind causes someone else to stumble?
- lqet 2y agoThe consensus on r/aviation seems to be that it was caused by wind shear. > This looks like wind shear to me. It was a stable approach and then it suddenly got slammed into the ground. That doesn't look like pilot-induced change in descent rate, it is too sudden for that. A sudden change in wind direction (shear) when that slow can absolutely cause a sudden loss of lift. > We have had almost 2 feet of snow up here since Friday, and are experiencing wind gusts up to 65 mph. Has basically been a winter hurricane. > This is a CRJ landing on Runway 23 at YYZ. It is an 11,000’ runway. Winds at the time where gusting from the NE likely north of 30 knots, so this was a cross wind landing. My bet is that it wasn’t the worst situation that any of the pilots had been in. Delta is a pretty good company. Guessing (as a GA pilot and talking to pilots of bigger birds than this —- I know a few). Likely wind shear or wake turbulence. The wake turbulence part would be a reach considering the cross wind component would have blown it away by the time of this landing.
- leoedin 2y agoWake turbulence almost killed someone I knew flying a training jet. He landed after a heavy aircraft and the cross wind was just enough to counter the natural spreading of wake turbulence. There was basically a horizontal tornado over the runway. When he hit it he lost all roll control. He ended up ejecting horizontally across the grass and somehow survived.
- matwood 2y agoI fly a lot and the only time I've ever thought 'this is it' was one time taking off out of Denver International. The airport is out on the plains east of the city and is known for high winds. We were taking off and nose had just started to lift up when a wind gust cause the entire plane to roll to the left. I could see the wing out my window and am still surprised to this day it didn't touch the ground. The pilot corrected, it felt like, by increasing our angle up and we finished taking off sliding a bit sideways.
- lqet 2y agoWe were once landing on Madeira, one of the most dangerous airports in the world. Even a nice landing there is quite uncomfortable. For some time you fly very close to the ocean, heading straight into the cliffs, and only in the last moment the plane seems to make a right turn to approach the runway. We made a wobbly touchdown, people already wanted to get up, when suddenly the plane was again lifted a few meters and rolled to the right, only to then slam very hard onto the runway again. When we came to a stop, the pilot commented: "We, errm, have arrived at Funchal, in case you were, errm, irritated about the landing, we were too."
- jzer0cool 2y agoNoticing number of major planes incidents suddenly over last few weeks ...
- jokoon 2y agoYes, but so far no theory or link about the new administration
- napworth 2y agoIs correlation not enough to start an investigation?
- fooker 2y agoThere's a new administration in Canada?
- rtkwe 2y agoIt was a Delta Airlines flight from Minneapolis so an American airline.
- fooker 2y agoPerhaps you should look into the details of this story a little bit more ?
- theossuary 2y agoIt's an American plane, serviced and maintained by an American company, and flown by an American airline. Pretty sure they're referring to that.
- theultdev 2y agoPretty sure the wind doesn't care about what country the plane is from. Seems to me it was either unavoidable or Canadian air traffic control shouldn't have let them land in those conditions. Nothing to do with Trump or the FAA, as much as people would like it to be. Never let a crisis go to waste I guess?
- napworth 2y ago[flagged]
- leetrout 2y agoClear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabtg/a_clear_visual_of_delta_airlines_crashlanding_at/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.
- eknkc 2y agoI wonder why were they filming? Was there an early warning? Was it a sketchy landing in any case? I mean aircraft are fascinating and people film them all the time but wouldn’t expect a pilot sitting in another one to casually film landings. Maybe just an extremely lucky catch.
- randerson 2y agoProbably just because pilots generally think planes are cool, especially when landing, and there's not much else to do while waiting in line but film them.
- rob74 2y ago...after they've completed all their checklists and are ready for takeoff, of course.
- Scoundreller 2y agoIn Toronto that day, there was a lot of waiting on the tarmac
- psunavy03 2y agoAs a former aviator, the joke in the business is that a career in aviation is largely stupefying boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror.
- bookofjoe 2y ago
- pseingatl 2y agoCompare this crash to the Emirates crash in Dubai (EK 521, 2016). In the Emirates incident, the passengers stalled the evacuation in order to grab their carry-ons. Many were seen on the tarmac dragging roll-aboards. Here the passengers chose life over property and efficiently evacuated the aircraft.
- ceejayoz 2y agoIt was a 777 (much more room) and not upside down, though.
- giarc 2y agoIt would be very difficult to get your bags from overhead bin when you are walking on the overhead doors.
- gosub100 2y agoElsewhere in the thread is a video showing at least one passenger carrying their baggage. 90+ percent compliance isn't bad though
- ls612 2y agoAll people on board survived that crash as well.
- EncomLab 2y agoAviation A2Z reporting that this was a no-flap landing due to a flap actuator failure. Hard to tell in the videos posted if that is the case, but would explain the hard landing.
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- heyflyguy 2y agoTotally different speculation than wind shear and that is the whiteout condition of the runway / area. I am also curious about the radalt.
- robomartin 2y agoIs there a reason why airport cameras seem to always be crappy? You'd think they would be required to maintain high quality cameras with dozens covering each runway to study every aspect of the operation, not just accidents.
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- hindsightbias 2y agoPeople are finally getting acclimated to the crash rates we were used to back in the old days.
- loeg 2y agoBlancolirio video out today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOYiQG43v64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOYiQG43v64 * Approach seems mostly unobjectionable (reasonable rate of descent, plausible looking approach speed) * Runway not especially slick * May have touched down short and left of centerline Hope for a preliminary report from Canada Transportation Safety Board in a couple weeks. Pilot Blog as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIhEIUrTLco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIhEIUrTLco He suspects landing speed may have been too low, making it impossible to flare correctly. (Both channels are former airline pilots.)
- martin82 2y agoWhat on earth is going on?! I'm quite sure I have heard about more plane accidents in the last two years than in the entire fourty years of my life before that. This is absurd.
- jseip 2y ago1) Descent rate was way too high. 2) No ‘flare’ 3) left wing angled upward forced right landing gear to absorb all force, resulting in hard shock to the body and then ground roll, tearing off both wings. 4) If 1-3 are true, landing pilot (could be actual pilot or FO) is incompetent 5) Thank god everyone got out alive