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Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]
- iammiles 2y agoMy number one wish for this iteration is more reliability out of the joycons.
- excalibur 2y agoUnsure about the magnets, it kind of looks like it will have trouble with the joycons falling off while you're playing.
- vel0city 2y agoLooking at the rest of the page, it seems like there's a button to press to start removing the joycons. I wonder if it latches at the final bit.
- cloudking 2y agoSwitch 1 was released on March 3, 2017 - what a great run!
- xattt 2y agoNES - 1983; SNES - 1991 Seems about right.
- therealmarv 2y agoNice, will we also get soon a Nvidia Shield 2 with Auto AI HDR etc. now that we have a new Nintendo Switch Nvidia CPU ?
- soylentcola 2y agoAs much as I would love this (not interested in a portable game console, but definitely interested in a new top-of-line set-top-box) I can't imagine this is what's been holding nVidia back on a Shield refresh. If anything, the Switch was a way to sell a boatload of existing chips. They've had plenty of opportunity to put out a Shield 2 in the meantime, but instead have backed off their focus on game streaming and other main features of a set-top-box. I'd love to see it happen, but I feel like the Shield is just not a big enough seller for them to put many resources behind an update. Prove me wrong, nVidia! TVs have only gotten worse in terms of embedded systems and software, and I don't have (or plan on) buying into the Apple ecosystem enough to make AppleTV compelling.
- robotnikman 2y agoIIRC the whole reason Nvidia was not able to make a new Shield or Shield tablet was because all their chips were being used in the Switch, and the basically all used the same chip
- oneeyedpigeon 2y agoPretty much all the rumours confirmed, and a Direct on 2nd April for more. It was nice to see the Joy-Con being all mouse-like, though.
- flippyhead 2y agoSo not radically different, but hey, why risk ruining a good thing? I'm sure my kid will die if he doesn't get one.
- alienreborn 2y agoRelevant: https://www.nintendo.com/successor/en-us/index.html https://www.nintendo.com/successor/en-us/index.html Nintendo Direct focused on Switch 2: Apr 2nd. Looks like joy-cons will have 'mouse-like' functionality and there's a 'C' on right joy-con but its functionality is not reveled. New Mario Kart showcased would probably be one of the first exclusives.
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- basfo 2y agoThat was a new mario kart? it looked like mario kart 8 to me.
- arnaudsm 2y agoA few details are quite different from 8, notably the boost and character animations, it's definitely a new game. Marketing will be difficult, MK8 already peaked graphically and has 96 tracks, and will still work on Switch 2. I hope they'll find real selling points for MK9.
- dev0p 2y agoWould have not surprised me if it's actually Mario Kart 8 2. (Technically that's already what Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is, so, actually, it would be Mario Kart 8 3). I mean, at this point it makes little sense for them to start from scratch, releasing a newer game but with much less than the enormous amount of content provided by MK8D + DLC would seem like a very noticeable downgrade, so just revamping the old one would be a practical move, though I don't think fans would be happy with that. MK8 was mostly flawless gameplay wise, how can it be improved? But at this point one has no choice but to trust Nintendo's ability to come up with surprises. There are certainly some ways they can, I'd love to see a 100 man race or something crazy like that.
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- seanvelasco 2y agocan't help but smile watching the video i expected a radical redesign, but this switch 2 is great too can't wait to play old switch games on it, as well as new ones!
- rmrfchik 2y agoNo sepcs. No games. We need it, Nintendo, WE NEED IT.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y agoWell, MK9 was in there.
- SJMG 2y agoThat was fun! I'm a little disappointed they didn't fix the terribly unergonomic joy cons though.
- vFunct 2y agoThe console appears to be a little bit bigger, which would help the ergonomics of the joy-cons if they’re bigger.
- canuckintime 2y agoIt’s bigger; that might be the fix in and of itself
- hn8726 2y agoA big problem is not length but width. I've 3d printed a _pad_ for solo joycon and the difference is day and night
- xnx 2y agoDon't the attachable rails help the width (or did you mean thickness)?
- oneeyedpigeon 2y agoAttaching the grips helps a lot with that.
- ysavir 2y agoI got some 3rd party ergonomic handles and it was so worth it. Strongly recommended.
- napolux 2y agoThat's what I wanted. An improved Switch. Waiting for the specs
- ksec 2y agoSame here. Really hope it is more than what was rumoured, which was using some 6 years old tech.
- ryoshu 2y agoNintendo never really uses brand new tech. It's their design philosophy. https://medium.com/@adamagb/nintendo-s-little-known-product-philosophy-lateral-thinking-with-withered-technology-bac7257d8f4 https://medium.com/@adamagb/nintendo-s-little-known-product-...
- oneeyedpigeon 2y agoIt's a philosophy that worked for them incredibly well with the Switch, so unlikely they'll totally reverse it for the Switch 2.
- ksec 2y agoPrevious Nintendo were on 4-5 years tech. The rumoured tech is 5-6 years. A difference between two cycles or three cycles.
- SecretDreams 2y ago> It's their design philosophy I would say it's more about minimizing cost of the console and their first party games just so happen to be not intensive enough to need it... But some games would have absolutely benefitted from a bit better hardware.
- doubled112 2y agoWhat was missing from games 6 years ago that current tech has made possible? Besides more leaves on trees, of course.
- duxup 2y agoI was pretty skeptical about the original Switch but bought it on a whim after being laid off. It quickly became one of my favorite gaming consoles. The ability to play anywhere didn’t seem like a big deal until I could do it. I have zero interest in being tied to a single spot like the traditional console experience now.
- markgreene 2y agocloud gaming has given me this same revelation. It's as portable as a Switch but the gaming experience isn't limited by the hardware in hand. Connectivity is important for the experience, though.
- machinekob 2y agocloud gaming is good if you live close to the servers and don't care about graphics, but playing with +60-100ms for every action feels very bad. It almost feels like playing on 15-20 fps PC and quality of streaming video is always a problem compared to native quality maybe AV1 will fix it.
- joseda-hg 2y agoI have gigabit, but no servers that are close, it's... rough
- TingPing 2y agoStreaming in the same house still isn’t very good. Games are very latency sensitive.
- op00to 2y agoMy kid plays fortnite using home streaming to an xbox, and says he doesn't notice the latency. I do the same on an Asus ROG Ally, and it's "good enough". I am not a competitive FPV player, but suffer from OCD and notice latency and it tweaks me hard.
- muglug 2y agoNo support for AI? The Switch 2 is DOA /s
- napolux 2y agoI've heard rumors about MarioGPT.
- jsheard 2y agoI know you're joking but technically it does have AI, the SOC is built on Nvidia's Ampere architecture with tensor cores. If nothing else they'll probably be used for DLSS upscaling.
- 3836293648 2y agoIt's an NVIDIA chip. They're 100% gonna use DLSS for literally every game in the library (ok, maybe not 2D games)
- idiotsecant 2y agoWhat a well produced video. I don't think I've ever watched a 2 minute advertisement all the way through before.
- 0-bad-sectors 2y agoIt's a nice video but even if it was extremely bad I would have still watched the whole thing lol.
- jeffbee 2y agoI like the image halfway down the announcement page that shows not only will your Switch 2 have larger controllers, but your hands will also be larger. Cool benefit, at the right price.
- werdnapk 2y agoWasn't expecting it to actually be called "Switch 2", but I'm glad they stuck to a name that makes sense.
- kwanbix 2y agoAgree. PlayStation 1...5 has worked well for Sony. XBOX is a mess (I am an XBOX guy myself).
- VyseofArcadia 2y agoThe problem with Xbox naming is that names are both inconsistent and too similar to each other. Aside from the Wii/Wii U debacle, Nintendo console names haven't been consistent, but they have been distinct. It's easy to remember that the GameCube and the Wii aren't the same thing. Xbox, though, it's just the word Xbox followed by arbitrary numbers, maybe with the letter S or X thrown in for fun. I have no idea why they thought Xbox Series X wouldn't confuse people right after the Xbox One X.
- azalemeth 2y ago(I am still trying to work out if the 360 was named after the 360º ring of red on the power light that it so often would produce...)
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- wirthjason 2y agoI wonder if they have a new control technique up their sleeve. Innovative gameplay and pushing new control ideas is one of Nintendo’s signatures. That said, being the switch 2, not a new console, maybe they kept it the same and just upgraded the processing and graphics hardware. Looking forward to more!
- mcphage 2y agoIt's probably too much to hope for to get more Labo sets, but a guy can dream, can't he?
- xnx 2y agoForgot all about Labo. The amount of wild experiments Nintendo has shipped is admirable.
- mcphage 2y agoYeah, definitely—it's my favorite thing about the company. Well, maybe second to their consistent level of quality. But seriously—the Labo piano used the IR camera to scan in waveforms to create new instruments. The VR kit had an elephant trunk mask to let you move around parts in a marble run game. Nintendo has a lot of wild experiments, and Labo takes that all to the next level. And that's not getting into the quality of software for building the kits—way beyond any instructions that Lego has ever put out.
- 0xdada 2y agoLooks like the sliding controllers bit means that they will work like a computer mouse.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y agoInnovation is their way, but they're still burned a LOT by the Wii U. Now they've managed to find something that works, I think they'll stick with it for at least the Switch 2, maybe the 3 as well.
- xnx 2y agoBravo on them making the video 2:22 for Switch 2. Edit: the mobile web version of the same video shows as 2:21. Interesting YouTube bug!
- Procat 2y ago3 2's? Are you saying Half-Life 3 will be a launch title?
- ChocolateGod 2y agoSwitch 2 Switch is 6 characters long, 6 divided by 2 is 3 Half Life 3 confirmed.
- phist_mcgee 2y agoIt had quite a bit of dead space in the video, especially at the start. Recall the first switch trailer which was completely different stylistically.
- jjice 2y agoI’m glad to see Nintendo found a form factor that’s kind of gimmicky that actually worked. The Wii and Wii U were too gimmicky, but portability was a great choice. I’m also glad to see backwards compatibility. I’m excited to see what kind of hardware improvements have been made. The switch came out in March 2017, just about 8 years ago. Just due to the way Nintendo games have their animated charm, they’re able to make their games look excellent on that hardware still. That said, I’d love to see how good a Zelda game looks on some new hardware.
- xnx 2y agoThe Wii was a huge success and the Wii U was a step toward the Switch, which combines the best of both of those consoles.
- bogwog 2y ago> which combines the best of both of those consoles. Minus the dual screen of the Wii U, which was awesome. It'd be cool if the Switch 2's dock could work independently of the console, so that you could have a reverse Wii U- experience with it. The dual screen setup can be a neat gimmick for gameplay, but it's biggest strength is the convenience that comes from having a second screen closer to your face. You can have less visual clutter on the main screen, and reduce the amount of menus players need to click through.
- xnx 2y agoA feature they could still possibly have snuck in would be the ability to cast a feed from the handheld to a TV.
- ARandumGuy 2y agoTBH other then a few neat local multiplayer stuff in NintendoLand, there really wasn't much that actually utilized the dual screen in a way that actually enhanced the game. You couldn't quickly swap between the screens like you could on the DS, because the screens were different distances away and required re-focusing your eyes. This meant that most gamepad usages played the same as if you just pressed a button to bring up your inventory or switch views or whatever. And that's before you take into account the fact that the biggest titles on the Wii U (Mario Kart and Smash Bros) didn't use the second screen at all. The second screen was a gimmick, and a gimmick that was exhausted pretty quickly.
- sylens 2y agoRelieved that they are just iterating instead of trying to go for something radically different like they did. Everybody is pretty happy with the current feature set, just add some stuff and get a nice power upgrade in there and you're all set for another 6 years.
- k__ 2y agoI'm a bit sad. They could at least make the controls a bit funny.
- NotYourLawyer 2y agoThe hand placement when using the controllers attached to the screen somehow looks even more uncomfortable than on the original.
- basfo 2y agoHonestly i was expecting a little more info. I get this is on purpose, to create hype, but not having a graphical demo, a release date... anything really more than the design, input ports, and joycons, seems too little. And the direct in april seems too far away honestly. All they showed is the things that leaked, i mean, to me (besides the confirmation of something that was obvious) is like nothing happened really. I know the same as yesterday + the plastic texture maybe and i have to wait almost 3 months for the next official info.
- ErneX 2y agoI think it comes out in June.
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- yapyap 2y agoSad they’re keeping at the same thing, I was personally hoping for a NEW thing like innovation but it seems like theyre just keeping steady at the same pace. Of course looking back at the past this shouldn’t have been a huge surprise with their ds to 3ds to new3ds shenanigans
- ginko 2y agoYeah, it feels like a very iterative update compared to previous Nintendo consoles.
- mschuster91 2y ago> Sad they’re keeping at the same thing, I was personally hoping for a NEW thing like innovation but it seems like theyre just keeping steady at the same pace. Why risk it though? The original Switch is a money printer but it became obvious that it's ... lacking brawns and brains after eight years of service. Fix that by upgrading the SoC to something with more power and remove a few other annoyances (the flimsy stand, primarily), and that will be enough to make it sell like lemonade on a hot summer day.
- Macha 2y agoThough the OLED Switch had a much better stand than the launch switch and the stand on this one actually kind of looks like a regression.
- seanalltogether 2y agoI'll be really curious to see what the gpu specs are like since it'll likely be nvidia again. The original Switch was 720p but lets you bump up to 1080p when in docked mode, so developers had to restrict design to accommodate both modes, but nvidia could possibly do a dlss trick when plugged in so devs just need to worry about 1 render target that will get upscaled automagically.
- TingPing 2y agoDLSS is disappointing compared to actual resolution increases. It adds plenty of artifacts like shimmer, ghosting, occlusion issues. I’m expecting Nintendo to use it unfortunately.
- neuroelectron 2y agoThey will likely leave it up to the developer and not us it too much in their own games.
- esperent 2y agoHave you watched any of the recent videos about dlss 4? It's using a different neural network for upscaling, and these issues seem to be massively reduced. It should be compatible back to at least the 20xx GPUs as well, not just the new 50xx GPUs. Maybe it'll be on the switch 2 as well. I've only seen a few clips of Cyberpunk but they surprised me a lot. If that level of quality can work on other games too then it'll be a huge upgrade.
- TingPing 2y agoI’ll try it when out. Marketing videos are not a useful way to test something like DLSS which is easy to mask the issues with things like low bitrate, slow pans, avoiding problematic situations, etc.
- squeaky-clean 2y agoDLSS 3 looked great in their teasers too, but it's filled with temporal ghosting in practice.
- _imnothere 2y agoAbsolute friendly reminder: this is a device from the company which they do C&D and abuse DMCA to community devs
- LorenDB 2y agoIndeed. Unfortunately, even if all of HN boycotts the Switch 2 it won't have an effect on Nintendo, but their behavior is entirely unacceptable and is boycott-worthy.
- drooopy 2y agoI'm so glad that they named this the "Switch 2" instead of going with something really stupid like "Switch U". It's simple and it immediately explains to the consumer what the product is.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoSwitch 2? Switch to what?
- layer8 2y agoTo the Switch 2, obviously.
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- juanpicardo 2y ago2 switch 2 switch 2
- ClassyJacket 2y agoI know. My mind is blown. I was convinced they wouldn't be able to resist the temptation to name it something stupid.
- JohnDeHope 2y agoEveryone is going to buy one of these as soon as they can ship them to them, so if the thumb sticks could not be intentionally engineered to fail this time, that would be great, thanks.
- VyseofArcadia 2y agoI don't like the aesthetic as much as the Switch 1. Looks a little too sleek, too monochrome, not Nintendo-y enough. Other than the splash of color around the thumbsticks it looks like any number of those handheld Steam Deck-alikes that have been coming out. That said I always wait for the special Zelda editions of Nintendo's consoles, so I don't know that I have standing to complain.
- soco 2y agoI only know a few users but they all (three, one being my kid) have covered their console in stickers, so that monochrome is completely hidden.
- bayindirh 2y agoI personally like the new color scheme. It says "I'm mature now, but still playful". Also, all black is less distracting when you're trying to concentrate on a bigger screen which needs you to move your eyeballs. Also, the new controllers look more "freedom friendly", if you pardon the pun. IOW, they iterated them so that they're more useful when they are detached.
- VyseofArcadia 2y agoI prefer just "playful" to "mature but still playful". Something about the straightforwardness of "this is a toy for people of all ages, but it is still a toy" speaks to me.
- bayindirh 2y agoYour taste/view is as valid and correct as mine. If these things could be standardized, we would have only one design for every category of item, possibly from different brands. Since it can't, we have this thing called design and art, which is a good thing :)
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- xnx 2y agoA mouse with an analog controller will make for a very powerful 3D manipulator, like a 3DConnexion SpaceMouse. Combine with the improved kickstand, it will be interesting to see what devs come up with.
- guigui 2y agoThe design changes showcased in the video are definitely a welcome improvement. As someone who owns both a Steam Deck and an OLED Switch, I find the Switch to be a bit too small for my hands, while the Steam Deck feels slightly large and bulky. Could the Switch 2 strike the perfect balance between the two?
- akaike 2y agoIt looks very pretty but the display bezels look kinda thick.
- nalekberov 2y agoNice, it comes with BC
- officeplant 2y agoIt looks so much like the Retroid Pocket 5 and other chinese android consoles that are all over the emulator space. At least they've finally moved on.
- donatj 2y agoA little sad about the lack of a rail compatible with charging existing controllers. Hopefully it's compatible with current gen controllers anyway given how expensive they are. One of my favorite parts about the Xbox Series generation of consoles is that it's fully compatible with the previous Xbox One controllers. It would be amazing if they could get their multi-gen multi-console save-sync to work nearly as well as Microsoft's so I could switch back and forth between my existing Switch and Switch 2 seamlessly but I doubt that's in the cards, this is Nintendo were talking about.
- ChocolateGod 2y agoThe rumour has it the older joycons can still be used wirelessly, just not physically connected.
- jabl 2y agoSo how are you going to charge them then? Have the old Switch 1 lying around as a charging station?
- ChocolateGod 2y agoYou can buy chargers for joycons
- flutas 2y agoYou can get standalone charging docks for them, but I agree it kinda sucks. I wouldn't be surprised to see new functionality that would pin games to the switch 2 controllers though, gotta sell new accessories.
- op00to 2y agoI have multiple charging "controller docks" that you can plug the joycons into and then use them like a two-stick-controller and charge via usb-c.
- vel0city 2y agohttps://www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/joy-con-charging-dock/ https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/joy-con-charging-...
- xnx 2y agoSurprisingly big day for launches: New Glenn, Switch 2, Starship.
- Narishma 2y agoIt's not a launch, just a (official) reveal.
- loudmax 2y agoHow do Switch users feel about the joycons? I'm not a gamer, but the original Switch joycons always struck me as overly complicated and expensive. It should be cheaper to manufacture and sell Switches with the controllers attached. Indeed, this is what they did with the Switch Lite. For games that take advantage of joycon functionality, Nintendo could have sold something like an updated Switch version of the Wiimote as an optional accessory. Do users who are happy with their Nintendo Switch have a favorable opinion of the joycons, or would you be happy without them?
- jjice 2y agoI think they're fine when mounted, but I use a the pro controller. Using them individually when you have people over sucks, but it's a neat way to turn one controller into two, so I can't throw too much hate. That's if we're ignoring the absurd drift their sticks have that Nintendo has seemingly never fixed. I hope to god they fixed them in this next gen console.
- junek 2y agoI'm generally in favour of the joycons as a concept. They make multiplayer party games a breeze. But the execution in the Switch 1 is flawed. They're on the small side, and generally fiddly. If the joycons for the Switch 2 are larger and just more ergonomic then I think it'll be a win. EDIT: the joycons also being little motion wands was also quite good. You don't need a separate accessory like on the other consoles. Overall the joycon is a neat little package of functionality, if imperfect.
- tantalor 2y agoI love the Lite but it was kneecapped by not having video output.
- Macha 2y agoThey have quality issues with stick drift, and the "single joycon as controller" setup is clearly designed for child-sized hands, but it's definitely an advantage to be able to play the system handheld but also have minimal extra to pack (just the rails widget) if I want to put it on a train table on the kickstand and the use the controllers more ergonomically. And I mean, if you have kids, being able to double your controllers when they have friends around is also helpful to avoid arguments.
- nerdjon 2y agoHappy to see that Nintendo is treating the switch more like how they traditionally handled their mobile platforms instead of their consoles. Iterating instead of throwing out everything with each new version. There is a part of me that is going to miss the, do weird shit and see what works, Nintendo that brought us some really fun ideas. But a stable Nintendo just being able to continue putting out great games has its advantages. I am curious about the specs, but honestly don't care much. The only real issue the Switch had was being able to keep up with some of the games put on it with FPS but it still had beautiful games (like Tears of the Kingdom). So as long as it is actually a decent spec bump I am happy and have zero care to compare it to the other consoles (but I am sure people are going too and scream that it is "underpowered"). The biggest thing I am curious about, will it be OLED since that will be disappointing to go back to non OLED from the OLED Switch. And Price.
- koromak 2y agoI just hope its powerful enough that Indies can target it along with the Steam Deck, rather than just hope an pray like they did for Switch 1's late lifecycle. The amount of <30fps indie titles on there was sad.
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- MetaWhirledPeas 2y agoMan that's 100% on the indie dev. Most people don't buy indie games for cutting-edge graphics. You start pushing the envelope, you get what you get.
- BobaFloutist 2y agoWhat a bizarre thing to say. People buy indie games for all sorts of different reasons, and sometimes it's the beautiful art style.
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- wat10000 2y agoIt seems like the days of revolutionary consumer electronics are over. This looks nice, for sure. But it’s really more of the same. Not surprising. It does surprise me that there’s such emphasis on it, though. There’s the name, of course, and then the entire video is based around “it’s the same thing but a little better.” Game console updates used to be big deals. The SNES was a revolution. PS2 was huge. Now… PS5? What’s different from PS4, again? Is there a 6? What’s different about that? I don’t blame Nintendo or the others. I have no idea what they could do here they would be revolutionary. I think the design space has just been thoroughly explored by now and that’s where we are. This pattern repeats all over the place. TVs are maxed out, with better visual quality than people care about, and size limited by wall space. Computers get a little faster every year. This year’s phones are last year’s phones with a minor performance bump and slightly better cameras. And again, I don’t see what they can do better, and that’s probably how it has to be at this point. But it’s still a little shocking to see a company lean so far into the theme of “we made incremental improvements to this thing we released 8 years ago.”
- 3pt14159 2y agoI've found more incredible improvements in AI than in consumer electronics these days. I'm still daily surprised at just how good ChatGPT is at understanding my pretty complex queries.
- wat10000 2y agoMaybe that will be the next big thing in games. Finally deliver on the promise of living, breathing worlds, instead of breaking the illusion when the character scripts start to repeat and you realize “your choices matter” means you can pick from one of three different endings.
- mingus88 2y agoI think this is it. Once a console can run an LLM you will see open world games with immersion that we’ve never seen before Procedurally generated worlds are one thing but imagine exploring an endless world where you can talk to every NPC and never have the same conversation twice
- sigmoid10 2y agoHuh. I guess updated ergonomics / QoL stuff and confirmation of backwards compatibility counts as enough of an update over the last hardware refresh. But zero info on anything that could actually make this worth a buy. Granted, this feels like Nintendo who will do anything to not get dragged into PS/XBOX flops discussions. But without any real upgrade or even games announcements, I suppose most people will keep holding off their purchase decisions for now.
- Q6T46nT668w6i3m 2y agoNew Mario Kart
- nkjoep 2y agoon the other side, it could be a big plus for new comers into the Nintendo Switch platform
- sigmoid10 2y agoI really wonder how big that market can be. I mean, for people who still haven't gotten a switch or steam deck or anything similar until now, how likely is this going to change their mind?
- eloisant 2y agoPeople who started to look when the Switch was already 3-4 years old, and passed because it's underpowered.
- sigmoid10 2y agoPeople who believe this thing will not be underpowered compared to current gen hardware have obviously not followed Nintendo over the past 25 years.
- Cymen 2y agoThat is me right here... Plus I have some younger kids who have had fun playing with old Nintendo DSes for now. But their friends often have the Switch and I want the updated graphics plus group play (Mario Kart) so we'll buy at least one of these when it comes out. I've been holding off because the original hardware just seemed a bit wimpy when reading the experiences of people playing Breath of the Wild on it. I'm hoping the new model will have enough power to do full justice to BotW.
- lotrjohn 2y agoMan, this video is giving me some serious Neverhood vibes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Neverhood https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Neverhood
- ranger_danger 2y agoWhy?
- systems 2y agoSo I can only guess the reason why they didn't mention how much more powerful NS2 is compared to NS1, is because it is not that much more powerful? I would guess only 30 to 50% more powerful
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- bhouston 2y agoThe leaks specs are [1]: - ARM 8 Arm Cortex-A78C - GPU: Nvidia T239 Ampere, 12 SM/1534 Cores - 12 GB of ram. Compared to Switch 1 [2]: - ARM 4 Cortex-A57 cores @ 1.02 GHz - GPU: NVIDIA Maxwell 256 cores - 4 GB of ram. It should like it should be a major boost in performance from those specs, like maybe 4x improvement overall? Of course there are more pixels on this screen, so the amount of GPU per pixel may stay roughly the same. [1] https://thegamepost.com/nintendo-switch-2-full-specs-appears-to-have-leaked/ https://thegamepost.com/nintendo-switch-2-full-specs-appears... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch
- richrichardsson 2y agoIf you believe the leakers [1]: Full specs: CPU: Arm Cortex-A78C 8 cores Unknown L1/L2/L3 cache sizes GPU: Nvidia T239 Ampere 1 Graphics Processing Cluster (GPC) 12 Streaming Multiprocessors (SM) 1534 CUDA cores 6 Texture Processing Clusters (TPC) 48 Gen 3 Tensor cores 2 RTX ray-tracing cores RAM: 12 GB LPDDR5 Handheld Mode: CPU: 998.4 MHz GPU: 561 MHz (~1.72 TFLOPS) Memory Frequency: 4266 MHz Memory Bandwidth: 68.256 GB/s Docked Mode: CPU: 1100.8 MHz GPU: 1007.25 MHz (~3.09 TFLOPS) Memory Frequency: 6400 MHz Memory Bandwidth: 102.4 GB/s Switch 2 in comparison with the original Nintendo Switch: Category Nintendo Switch 2 Nintendo Switch CUDA Cores 1536 256 Bus Width 128-bit 64-bit Memory Size 12 GB 4 GB Memory Type LPDDR5X LPDDR4 SM Count 12 2 Bandwidth 120 GB/s 25.6GB/s Dimensions 206 x 115 x 14 173 x 102 x 13.9 (LWD mm) [1] https://thegamepost.com/nintendo-switch-2-full-specs-appears-to-have-leaked/ https://thegamepost.com/nintendo-switch-2-full-specs-appears...
- ta988 2y agoDid they finally fix the early dying joysticks? Because that's the main issue of the switch.
- bsimpson 2y agoThe last time I tried to use my Switch, I realized that the joy cons are no longer usable separately. Seems the connection to the internal shoulder buttons is broken, and you can't reorient the controllers unless you can hold them both down.
- phatfish 2y agoI dropped my Switch from knee height, and now the left hand joycon is slightly loose and disconnects from too much upward pressure. Maybe the damage is on the joycon, but it seems more likely the mechanism (don't have a spare to test). The new joycon connector looks more robust.
- bitwize 2y agoRumor has it the Switch 2 has Hall-effect sticks. Here's hoping.
- bhouston 2y agoArg, they make the screen look absolutely huge with that large front glass panel during most of the video and I was thinking to myself, nice! But then at the end they actually show how large the bezels are underneath the glass and it is quite disappointing. Someday we'll have modern smartphone like mini-bezels (a few mm at most) in our handheld gaming consoles, but I guess not yet.
- Ecco 2y agoOh, sneaky! I fell into the trap without even realizing. Thanks for pointing it out!
- rekoil 2y agoGotta leave something for the Nintendo Switch 2 OLED
- xattt 2y agoAnd upsell a magnifying lens to make the screen bigger. /s (1) https://www.thevintagegamers.com/2013/11/game-boy-screen-magnifiers/ https://www.thevintagegamers.com/2013/11/game-boy-screen-mag...
- actionfromafar 2y agoScreen estate all to the edge of the device can be annoying too, just a wrinkle on your clothes will then cover a bit of the screen.
- loloquwowndueo 2y agoPlay with no clothes on, problem solved.
- encomiast 2y agoYou clearly have not seen the wrinkles on my body.
- bsimpson 2y agoLooks like a new controller attachment system, maybe magnetic, except that doesn't seem robust enough for excited play. I wonder what that means for spare controllers. It's a waste to make people go buy new extra controllers for multiplayer games. Maybe you can use your old Switch as a charger and pair via BT? Not nearly as nice as just sliding it on to pair, but hopefully reduces e-waste.
- eloisant 2y agoI would be surprised if older joycons can't be paired via BT. There are already alternative ways to charge them, either charging stations or charging grip.
- CivBase 2y ago> except that doesn't seem robust enough for excited play. Yeah. First thing I thought when they showed the controllers snapping in place was "I would definitely yank one of those out on accident while playing."
- lugao 2y agoThere seem to be a latch mechanism to keep it attatched. I would be surprised if it was designed to rely solely on magnets.
- atemerev 2y agoBright-colored controllers were so much better. Also the way they were attached before is much better. Switch 1 was the work of art. This one looks like the work of A/B testing and “we are losing customers as they choose Steam Deck over us, so let’s make it look like Steam Deck”
- Dansvidania 2y agoit definitely does look a bit like a steam deck From the trailer the way the new controller attach to the console seems fragile, but they might have done some apple-like magnet magic..
- galleywest200 2y agoI think the updated "click" sound present in the trailer indicates that yes they will snap on pretty forcefully with magnets.
- jitl 2y agoNintendo sold an all-gray Switch 1, that’s the one I got. Yes this console does feel like a more “grown up” Switch but I don’t think it’s a sign of chasing after Steam Deck; switch has sold 2 orders of magnitude more copies than Valve ever will. If anything it’s following the same pattern as Wii (white) WiiU (dark) for the successor to be a bit more serious and grown up looking. Kids who got their Switch 1 when they were 10 are now 17, ready for a more grown up console.
- yellowapple 2y ago> If anything it’s following the same pattern as Wii (white) WiiU (dark) for the successor to be a bit more serious and grown up looking. The Wii U also comes in white. My grandparents own one. Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if the Switch 2 came in more colors than what's shown, just like the Switch did.
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- netcraft 2y agoHave there been any leaks of the price yet? We have gotten so much use out of our original switch I can't really imagine not picking it up, even if only to keep playing the games we already have.
- Dansvidania 2y agoI am sucker for Nintendo stuff. I can't imagine not getting it, but this trailer did not necessarily make me look forward to it more: It got a bit more generic in design, and I don't trust that controller attachment system.
- jerojero 2y agoI'll probably wait for the OLED version, which they will obviously release maybe 2-3 years down the line. I have a steam deck right now which has more than enough games to keep me busy for a few more years.
- prmoustache 2y agoOn the other hand, I haven't finished Zelda BOTW yet nor even started TOTK. A bigger one seems too bulky to me, I was thinking I'd rather have a tiny progress on performance and a smaller footprint.
- anal_reactor 2y ago1. Looks boring. I want my washing machine to look boring, not my fun entertainment device. 2. It's literally the same thing they released 8 years ago, except the electronics are new. In 8 years they did zero creative progress. "People don't want cars, they want faster horses". 3. Switch was already huge, this thing will be giant, so it will be portable as in "portable fridge". This will probably sell well because Switch sold well and the brand is strong, but honestly, I don't see any reason to buy this thing. They're basically reinventing a gaming laptop, except with Nintendo first-party games.
- twostorytower 2y agoI guess you never got a PS2/PS3/PS4/PS5? Sometimes, the internals are the right thing to upgrade. And there definitely is some hardware innovations. I look forward to learning more!
- anal_reactor 2y agoI got an Xbox 360 strictly because I wanted to play Guitar Hero. To me, home consoles are like PC, but worse, but more convenient for a non-technical user.
- Ecco 2y agoThere was a rumor about an optical sensor on the side of a joycon that would turn it into a mouse. Is this out of the equation? This would have been awesome!
- hibikir 2y agoDidn't you see the section where joycons appear to slide over a table? If anything, the video confirms the rumor
- excalibur 2y agoYeah the sensors are there, you can see them if you look closely
- jansan 2y agoIt would be awesome to have new Labo sets that make use of that sensor. But I suspect that Labo will not get a second chance, given that the first sets were seen as a failure (despite being really cool).
- nonethewiser 2y ago> There was a rumor about an optical sensor on the side of a joycon that would turn it into a mouse. Is this out of the equation? This would have been awesome! They literally depict them as mice at 1:12. Like the animal, or at least that's how I interpreted it before I even knew about this rumor from your comment. Im not sure what the point is. Sure you can point and click but no keyboard? That's way lower input than simply using the joycon and all the buttons. Seems like a gimmick.
- grumbel 2y agoAt 1:02 it shows the optical mouse sensor pretty clearly.
- pupppet 2y agoFor those of us with zero interest in playing a console on the go I wish they would release a non-mobile version and put the money saved into beefier specs.
- falnatsheh 2y agoThat's my case as well, especially now that Switch has established itself and you can get Switch Mini for $200 if interested in on-the-go experience.
- dontlaugh 2y agoSame. They already made the Lite, I wish they’d make the opposite.
- layer8 2y agoIt’s more for playing in your room where you don’t have a TV, than necessarily on-the-go. Just how smartphones are nowadays used for gaming at home by the younger generation. You still don’t want to be tethered to a power outlet.
- ac29 2y agoNintendo's best selling consoles are all handhelds, its not surprising for them to stick with the hybrid form factor.
- int_19h 2y agoThe beefier specs would be wasted though since game developers would still be primarily targeting the handheld (since that is still their main offering, so that's what most people have).
- pupppet 2y agoNot necessarily, there are pro versions of both PlayStation and Xbox
- sotix 2y agoI wish we could return to a Wii U like functionality where the switch could be used as a second screen when undocked. That was a really nice feature in games like Zelda where the controller in your hands displayed the inventory or a map.
- xnx 2y agoMight be possible if the Switch 2 contains a "cast" feature, but the cast landscape may be too incomplete and fractured (AirPlay, Chromecast, Miracast, etc.) for Nintendo to bother with that.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoMuch like with the failed Macbook Touch Bar, I don't think it works having to look away and focus on another screen while playing a game. Also like the Macbook Touch Bar, now you have a whole other thing developers have to target and test for an end result that should just be possible yet more efficient in the main app. Take inventory for example. Instead you could just make it frictionless to open inventory in the main game and create quick-swap slots. Tears of the Kingdom is a good example. Swapping out arrows mid combat by looking at your controller would not be an improvement.
- jghn 2y agoYeah I played BOTW on the Wii U and remember at some point I just stopped bothering with the handheld screen. I can't remember what game it was but I do remember having one game where the handheld add-on provided some functionality that seemed useful/fun. So it is possible, but much like the original wii's motion sensors - it is much more likely that developers will stumble across a bad application of the tech than a good one
- whalesalad 2y agoI don't think I can see myself ever buying a Nintendo console again. My switch collects dust. They are always substantially under powered and likewise their games are simple - aka quite easy to emulate. I would much prefer a mobile device that can "do it all" like a steamdeck which is able to run native games, run emulators, and also remote to a beefy desktop gaming rig for games with higher demands. That being said I realize I am not the target market. Nintendo has always been a pretty safe bet for the "just works" department. They are great for kids or casual gamers.
- volleygman180 2y agoSo can we finally expect to see first-party Switch 1 games get discounts?
- nonethewiser 2y agoOoh that would be nice. Although I wonder if they'll simply stop producing as many (IDK what even goes into that though... I imagine its pretty cheap to produce). Sadly I feel like the opposite happens with many things, not sure about video games though.
- kyriakos 2y agoshould we expect re-release of all the usual games?
- vachina 2y agoCool, a new steam deck, but it can only run some games at a lower FPS.
- freedomben 2y agoand incorporates cutting-edge "security" controls to keep the system secured (against the user of course, because the owners of the device nowadays are the primary security threat, regardless how technical they are). Otherwise, what if grandma gets tricked into installing a Steam game or *gasp* an open source operating system onto her switch?
- bbx 2y agoThe joycons seem to attach as easily as a MagSafe connector… but I hope they don't detach as easily! I wonder if the handheld ergonomics were battle-tested to prevent accidental joycon detachment while gaming.
- andy_ppp 2y agoI doubt they attach like that I think it’s just for the video… looking again there are holes at the top and bottom of the joycons presumably for some kind of locking mechanism to fit into.
- riskable 2y agoThey probably are magnetically attached but also feature a latch somewhere to make sure they don't accidentally pop out. Alternatively they could just be using really strong magnets and tight tolerances for the fit inside the Switch 2. That's a tough thing to get right though because if they make it too tight it'll be annoying to get them lined up juuuuust straight enough to snap in but if they make it too loose they can pop out too easily.
- meandmycode 2y agoThe connector on the main body is just exceptionally questionable, I see it being a big issue of getting broken or worn and then non trivial repairs.
- accrual 2y agoYeah, I was concerned about that too. It looks like it has a small thin edge connector on the body of the Switch 2, sort of like a USB-C port but without the protective shield around it. If it's not designed well, we could see it snapping off in kid's hands and requiring expensive repairs.
- ampplify 2y agoCame here to say exactly this. It looks like with a small push they could pop out. Or snap the connector. Nintendo has a clear focus on a younger audience so I have to assume they’ve got this figured out.
- bg0 2y agoHas anyone played any games besides Zelda / Mario Kart that actually felt complete and worth the money. I love love love the switch but getting really demoralized by the lack of titles I can play with friends; especially online.
- mgaunard 2y agoMost Japanese video games are designed for solo play.
- bg0 2y agoMaybe that is the case. But when the switch came out the marketing was heavily skewed towards "party" games to play with your friends in the same room.
- mgaunard 2y agoHow is a portable console about playing with your friends? It's about playing alone on the couch, on the bed, on the plane, on the toilet.
- davio 2y agoBaba is You is great if you want additional demoralization
- bg0 2y agoBought it for 70% cheaper on my phone
- themikesanto 2y agoYes
- bschwindHN 2y agoI've played Smash Ultimate probably more than any other game in my life.
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- VikingCoder 2y agoLet me just say what I'm seeing here... Folks can correct me, or add their own observations * Screen is bigger * Seems like it has a new texture * USB-C port (on the bottom?) * Another USB-C port (on the top?) * Headphone jack * Pull-out stand, supports multiple positions * Bigger controllers * New coloring on the controllers * The built-in top buttons on the hold-it-sideways configuration appear to be nicer * The controllers have a custom port to connect, and a little magnet-looking thing next to it * The controllers seem like they can slide on tables like a mouse * The controllers snap into the screen, rather than sliding down to lock * Dock looks similar to the old one * Controllers can slide into a pro grip, like before * Physical Switch games slide in like they used to Anything else?
- ActionHank 2y agoSome new games will work on S2, but not S1, most S1 games will work on S2. Glad they didn't go MS route of forcing compatibility for games releasing the higher powered platform to run on the lower powered platform.
- ffsm8 2y agoMS didn't force compatibility between generations either. The series X and series S are the same generation. Wherever it was smart to start into this generation with a 3+ yrs old underperforming el-cheapo chipset is another question... But for what it's worth, Nintendo has done the same decision according to the hardware leaks, they're just missing the equivalent to the Series X. (Which makes sense as it's a mobile device, so they don't want to gobble up electricity) I personally agree that it was/is a terrible idea to start into a new generation with differently performing systems though. You can definitely release a "pro" version later for extra performance - but with the baseline being so underperforming as the series S... It never really had a chance, and most reviewers even said as much when they were initially announced.
- dmonitor 2y agoSeries S is severely ram-starved at 10GB (~2GB used for OS, so 8GB functionally) Switch 2 has 12GB according to leaks
- tmvphil 2y agoI get this is Nintendo, so it'll never be fixed, but I honestly hate having to buy Nintendo hardware just to play the three or four big-name platform exclusives per generation. It would be so much better for consumers if they would just abandon the hardware and be a regular games company
- lenerdenator 2y agoI think the same thing. Metroid is good, but is it $250+ good? Meh. Microsoft more-or-less does the same thing with Windows in the personal consumer market. With Office being online these days, the primary motivation for a lot of people to buy a Windows license for a computer instead of using Linux or buying a Mac is gaming, along with pure inertia. This will be a problem with everything until games are FLOSS.
- spencerflem 2y agoSadly, I don't think games will ever be FLOSS until we figure out how to get people to pay for FLOSS software.
- ranger_danger 2y agoI actually don't think there is a big obstacle to this. Most people don't care about FLOSS and don't even know what it is, so I think that shouldn't really affect sales. I think companies are just worried about people stealing their code to use it for more "undesirable" (to them) things like cheating and mods, and then having to go after them for it because you do actually have to try to defend your copyright/trademarks if you want to keep them.
- spencerflem 2y agoPeople will know and care instantly when there's an easily accessible storefront like app with those games one click away and perfectly legal. Same reason excellent tools like Aseprite are no longer floss - it got packaged (legally) in Debian and others and why on earth would you go way out of your way to buy it, or even think that they might be trying to charge. I don't think games companies are against mods generally, many have steam workshop support built in. Nintendo as the big exception here ofc. Cheating is ofc a huge problem for multiplayer games and can absolutely tank some genres. Very mixed feelings about the kernel level rootkit type spyware but there's no denying that games companies are paying big money to put them there for the players benefit.
- 13hunteo 2y agoA lot of people here are criticising Nintendo not showing specific details here, seemingly forgetting a few key points: A. The announcement is nothing more than a hype video, it obviously isn't intended to be the only marketing tool. B. On the specifications front, Nintendo never focus on performance, and it's unlikely that will change now; their focus tends to be on games and features.
- jader201 2y agoBut did they fix the dreaded Joy-Con drift?
- nsxwolf 2y agoI was so worried that Nintendo was going to make Switch backwards compatibility digital-only. I am very relieved.
- themikesanto 2y agoThis is a hardware reveal trailer. Nintendo likely released this because of all of the recent leaks, which have put their 3rd party accessory vendors in a weird position. More details will be revealed at the Nintendo Direct on the 2nd.
- syntaxing 2y agoAm I getting this right? Nintendo pushed the announcement forward because of the massive “Nate the great” leak?
- heliophobicdude 2y agoIs the date April 2 or February 4?
- 3836293648 2y ago2 April. This is the American trailer so the date is dumb
- aynyc 2y agoAfter 8 year, all we get an improved version? Do they not have anything else in the pipeline? I'll probably get it, lol! Honestly, I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping for some wacky stuff! Edit: Seems odd to get down voted.
- mrcwinn 2y agoI think that's the point. You'll probably get it. I probably will too. I would imagine this device will improve unit sales and also has improved margins on a per unit basis. Easy win without trying all that much. Take the W.
- aynyc 2y agoI understand the financial part of it. I'm not sure it's a W for gamers like us. Obviously, I don't know the spec and detail so I'm happy to be corrected. From the video, they could've released this 4 years ago and I would've still gotten it back then. Since I view switch as a console system rather mobile system, the gain we are getting just seem a bit disappointing after 8 years.
- PaulHoule 2y agoThe game is afoot. There are many reasons why the portable factor is good, not least you can enjoy it riding the bus or laying in bed Saturday morning; you can play big games in spare minutes side by side with the rest of your life. Sony's Vita was quite successful with titles like Killzone Mercenary which was as fun a shooter as you'll find on any platform, but Sony gave up on the form factor because of the phone fever sweeping the world. Fortunately the culturally Japanese games like Akiba's Trip, Persona, Fate/Extella, Hyperdimension Neptunia and such have jumped to Steam. There's the Steam Deck and countless off-brand competitors, Microsoft is talking about a portable XBOX, Sony is planning a PS5P which sounds overly ambitious -- TV-attached consoles are becoming irrelevant when you can connect an XBOX controller to your PC and have a console experience, but much better, with Steam, GOG, Origin and other PC app stores.
- Narishma 2y ago> Sony's Vita was quite successful with titles like Killzone Mercenary which was as fun a shooter as you'll find on any platform, but Sony gave up on the form factor because of the phone fever sweeping the world. I think they gave up on it when they realized they didn't have the resources to support both a console and a handheld with the rising costs of game development. Nintendo faced the same issue but they got rid of their console instead and designed their handheld to be able to be docked in order to get similar functionality.
- AbuAssar 2y agoHuge bezels!
- zhoujianfu 2y agoGive me 4K, joycons that never disconnect or drift, and up to 16 players locally, and I’m in! I’m in regardless.
- KwanEsq 2y agoShame the link isn't to https://www.nintendo.com/successor/ https://www.nintendo.com/successor/ so it would attempt to pick a video with the most appropriate date format.
- mobiledev2014 2y agoDefinitely, I watched the UK version shared somewhere else and thought the direct was 2 months earlier than it was!
- swyx 2y agoor just use month names like normal people
- _blk 2y agoThis doesn't seem to stem out of an innovation cycle, so the biggest advantage for consumers is (IMHO) that prices of the current generation will drop.
- fredoralive 2y agoKinda tells us nothing, but I guess they got fed up with their supply chain leaking absolutely everything about the physical device before they could announce stuff. I guess the direct will be interesting when they show some actually software and we can get a bit of a handle on what the device can actually do (although the MORE POWER type people are going to be disappointed, probably).
- sefke 2y agoAt least we know for sure that it's backwards compatible with the old Switch.
- klausa 2y agoThis has been announced back in November: https://x.com/NintendoCoLtd/status/1853972163033968794 https://x.com/NintendoCoLtd/status/1853972163033968794; though if you're not extremely plugged in, it has been rather easy to miss.
- jacobgkau 2y agoThere was still some ambiguity on if it applied to physical games or only downloads. I'm all-digital on my Switch, so it doesn't affect me, but it'll be nice for the physical-only people to know with certainty.
- lazycouchpotato 2y agoThe giant 2 is a bit obnoxious. Other than that everything looks good. And for the love of God Nintendo you better be using hall effect joysticks for this one. Can't imagine the amount of e-waste they generated with the Switch joycons.
- joshstrange 2y agoAt this point I'd be hard pressed to consider this over my Steam Deck. We will see the specs later but I doubt it will really compete processing-wise or screen-wise. The openness (full arch desktop) of the Steam Deck is also awesome while having a great UI that you never have to leave if you don't want to. EDIT: I mistakenly called it "fedora desktop", my bad
- parsimo2010 2y agoFor the last few generations (since the Wii), you don't buy a Nintendo for the processing power. They haven't competed on processing power since the Gamecube. After the Gamecube generation, you bought a Nintendo for the exclusive games and that was it. Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, and others. Nintendo knows that their draw is just the games, and uses a lot of lawyers to make sure that normal gamers can't play those games on the Steam Deck. If you want to play what Nintendo has to offer on the Steam Deck you have to install an emulator and Nintendo has made sure that normal people would rather drop $300 on a Switch instead of risk legal issues. Edit: I suppose that some people would also say the intuitive controls (motion control introduced on the Wii, dual screens (and touchscreen) on DS and WiiU, and detachable controllers on the Switch) have some draw, but those features have often been under-utilized except on a few titles.
- joshstrange 2y agoI agree with you, for most people the Switch is the better/easier option if they are just looking to play a Nintendo-exclusive. Emulators aren't that difficult to set up on Steam Deck and you can easily launch the games from the Steam UI but nothing beats the plug and play of the Switch and double-y so if you are playing networked games.
- hbn 2y agoAnd let's not forget the size and weight difference. It's a lot easier to slip into a bag, and it doesn't run super hot under load.
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- corytheboyd 2y agoPlease tell me the joycons are built with a more robust analog stick… it was hard to tell if they changed at all in this video. That’s about my only gripe with the switch, those sticks drift so badly if you so much as look at them.
- pipeline_peak 2y agoThis thing is gonna get swallowed in an ocean of steam decks and other similar clones. Unless you want to play the third installment of Mario Kart 8, I guess.
- racl101 2y agoThat is precisely the only reason people choose Nintendo over more powerful and capable devices. The Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zeldas, Marios etc. They got a robust ecosystem going on and with them shooting down pirating left, right and center they keep a tight ship going. Nintendo has set themselves up so they don't need 3rd party titles to survive. Carved out a good niche for themselves. They don't even see themselves as direct competitors with Sony. They used to but that was a long time ago.
- pipeline_peak 2y agoI understand, after all, they are the Disney of gaming in terms of IP. It’s just strange, this is the first time I’ve seen them so…lazy. The Wii U was a flop, but it was a bigger leap than this. SNES at least had more buttons and significantly better graphics. I think they’re just gonna milk this till streaming takes over.
- racl101 2y agoWell I think they're definitely leaning into giving the best portable experience for the dedicated consoles (that are not Steam). I think they've come to understand that's their niche and the sales of the Switch seem to suggest it. I don't think they feel like they need a huge departure, but rather just to improve on the shortcomings of the Switch itself and just a bit more power. Whatever they can achieve. But they also know they can never compete with the PS5 in terms of specs and still put out a portable. And they're probably well aware that they'll have to make up their tech shortcomings with good games ... as they always have. So you're right. They'll continue with this until has diminishing returns and then they'll probably pivot / evolve again.
- jimbohn 2y agoWe got a switch a few years ago and it collected dust. The shop is overpriced (and slow) and I guess we aren't really into their first-party titles. I don't see what it offers against a steam deck except the aforementioned first-party titles. edit: except the aforementioned first-party titles
- arduinomancer 2y agoIt offers first party titles, you said it yourself
- modeless 2y agoIt offers the first-party titles, basically. If you don't want those then there's no reason to get one. For me, Nintendo is the most reliable game developer these days. Every main Mario and Zelda game offers something new and executes it well on the first try. I'll buy Switch 2 for Mario and Zelda alone.
- jimbohn 2y agoI tried BotW and it didn't really click. The food mechanics felt bolted on, just like the weapon durability stuff, and everything felt too easy/within reach. I guess I'm not the target, it's okay.
- SecretDreams 2y agoDid you play and complete a lot of the other Zelda games growing up?
- jimbohn 2y agoJust majora's mask, I'm not exactly a nintendo kind of guy.
- SecretDreams 2y agoGot it. Then, for sure, the switch wasn't going to be for you. I'm not a Nintendo die hard, but I played on my N64 a ton. Then spent some solid years on PC or xbox360. Now, with kids, the switch is my preferred console.
- criddell 2y agoI hope I'll be able to pre-order one. I don't even care if they ship it right away. Promise me one within the first 2 or 3 years and I would be happy. I know I'm going to want one and I know they are going to be snapped up by scalpers and be hard to buy at first. Fine. I just don't want to go through the stupid check Amazon, then GameStop, then BestBuy, then Walmart dance. Just let me order one and then not worry about it.
- locallost 2y agoI read recently their plan is to produce enough so they are always in stock.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoSomewhat larger screen (and presumably faster hardware) is enough for me to buy in. Don't mess with what works.
- whynotminot 2y agoThe larger, higher resolution screen will make me happy too. Been playing a lot of Factorio on my OG switch… it works. Barely.
- jedberg 2y agoI really hope my old switch controllers are compatible, at least via wireless. It would be a monetary and environmental shame if my six controllers became useless.
- lucidguppy 2y agoI hope they fix the issues with the controllers dying.
- etwigg 2y agoI think people are sleeping on Meta's compounding advantage in VR/AR. The Quest 3 is 15 months old, and it's wild how much it has improved over that time purely due to software and interaction model improvements. Aside from the recent bricking issue, I think the Meta Quest is accelerating at the OS level. I'm looking forward to Mario on Quest 4 or 5, but it will be a bit sad. You can't see the shortcomings until you have the hardware, and once you solve those there is a next set of shortcomings. I think that road is longer and deeper than I had appreciated, Meta is the only company iterating fast enough to be serious about serving "normies".
- philistine 2y agoThe name of the game is the game. Meaning that hardware is popular insofar as the games that are on it. And Nintendo, with its massive war chest and toymaker history, will never turn into a third-party developper. They'll keep making their underpowered Nintendo machines, and good for them.
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- wk_end 2y agoDisappointed that it doesn't look to fix the biggest issue I have with the Switch, which is that docking it feels awkward and clumsy. You have to blindly line up a USB-C port/connector, and that seems to be the same approach they're going with here. At least the Joycons look like they'll be a little smoother to attach/remove.
- surfsvammel 2y agoI love the Switch and will love the Switch 2. But this video feels so cheap. Didn’t enjoy the launch video at all.
- amelius 2y agoWhy don't they just make 2 controllers that you can snap to the sides of an iPhone? Edit: like this: https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/HRDG2ZM/A/backbone-one-mobile-gaming-controller-usb-c-2nd-generation https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/HRDG2ZM/A/backbone-one... Save the planet, reuse hardware.
- nullbyte808 2y agoIm buying one and not connecting it to the internet so I can root it later.
- autoexec 2y agoWill Switch 2 games still use NAND memory that means your games will start failing after as little as 10-20 years of sitting on a shelf? https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/nintendo-switch/switch_and_ds_carts_dying https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/nintendo-switch/switch_a...
- robotnikman 2y agoI'm guessing not. I don't there there any many or any manufacturers that make ROM chips with the size required for the games
- guybedo 2y agoInstead of commenting on the switch 2 characteristics, i just want to take some time to celebrate Nintendo, and to say how happy i am this company still exists although it went through difficult times. As some comments point out, Nintendo is the only console/video games company that's been trying to do fun things instead of trying to come up with the most powerful console in the universe. This is the gaming i like, i don't care for 3000 fps and 1000Ghz consoles, i just want to have fun :-) So, yeah, thanks Nintendo, i'll be buying this Switch 2.
- Celeo 2y agoThat was a very enjoyable trailer - visuals and sound both. That being said, the new Switch looks less ... "fun" than the existing Switch.
- highcountess 2y agointeresting you said that, because I was totally unimpressed and bored with it and thought, "Ok, so this it? So it's just the Switch, scaled up by 10%?" It's not that I expected something groundbreaking, but if I had been the creative director I would have said that they need to focus on whatever was updated, e.g., graphics or performance since effectively nothing major has changed.
- mrkpdl 2y agoAt the end of the video they announced a direct for the start of April. This video is just a teaser. I’m sure they will cover everything you mention in the direct.
- aranelsurion 2y agoI know it's perhaps a silly thing to nitpick on, but the general look of Switch 2 with its darker, Steam Deck-ish joycons don't look as fun as the first one to me. Current Switch with the neon blue/red joycons had its own character, and IIRC that color combination was what Nintendo often marketed. This change makes it look like a MSI or ASUS product than a continuation of Nintendo's own line.
- saguntum 2y agoHopefully game saves will sync between Switch 1 and 2. It would not be great to have to restart games with 80+ hours or drag 2 consoles around with you to access your full Switch 1 library. I'm mildly optimistic given Switch 1 has online save backup capability for a lot of its games.
- thr0waway001 2y agoHOMINA HOMINA HOMINA....
- SuperHeavy256 2y agoTop comment says "There is a part of me that is going to miss the, do weird shit and see what works, Nintendo that brought us some really fun ideas." I bet you that Nintendo will never release a Nintendo Switch 3. They do sequels in consoles (like they did the SNES), but after that they innovate.
- __loam 2y agoGame Boy -> Game Boy Color -> Game Boy Advance DS -> 3DS NES -> Super Nintendo -> N64 -> GameCube Wii -> Wii U Definitely a pattern
- kipchak 2y agoArguably the "gimmick" for the N64 -> GameCube was 3D games and "stock" analog stick, with the c-buttons on the N64 turning into the C-Stick on the GameCube. At launch both the PS1 and Saturn controllers were d-pad only.
- resource_waste 2y agoUnimpressive. But that isnt what sells Nintendo platforms. 20+ years of relentless marketing to children is what sells.
- Ikatza 2y agoI can't wait to play all the new Switch 2 games on my Steam Deck
- Halan 2y agoThe single player games maybe
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y agoMy concern with this is that the joycob being larger won't fit the hands of younger kids anymore. The switch 1 joycon was the only one that allowed reaching the controller buttons and the stick (while held horizontally) for my 3 years old. All other controllers that exist are too big, clearly nobody tested with young children. And I wish they had names for their arrow buttons, because when held horizontally it makes things very confusing: "press b" what is b?
- adamors 2y agoI mean, maybe 3 year olds are simply too young to be playing video games?
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y agoIt's a toy like any other, my son is great at playing Kirby, the game delivers some great family time (Kirby star allies is a 4-players game). Most of first-party nintendo games are also display a rating of "3+"
- bigstrat2003 2y agoFair concern, but on the other hand joycons are seriously uncomfortable for people older than that because of how small they are. It seems reasonable for Nintendo to optimize for the common users, not the extreme minority of small children.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y agoOf course, however adults can buy the Pro controller, but kids have no other option. Just voicing my frustration with the gaming industry as a whole: there isn't a controller for kids, even the ones that claims to be are for 8+ I suspect.
- pryelluw 2y agoI hope they fixed the joystick drift issues. It’s why I stopped playing my switch. I don’t want to be buying controllers as a maintenance item
- smlacy 2y agoJust wait for "Switch 2 lite" which will be the same size as the original Switch and compatible with the original switch joycons.
- freetime2 2y agoI've had a lot of frustration with Switch joy-cons. Not only drift, which has claimed a number of them, but also issues with the console not recognizing when they are attached, and one pair that for some reason the switch won't recognize when trying to use in the horizontal orientation. No doubt my kids have subjected it to hard use and probably a drop or two, but still frustrating. It looks like they've added some reinforcement to the joysticks, and changed the connection with the main body to be magnetic instead of sliding in and out (which causes wear and tear on the connectors over time). I hope the Switch 2 is more robust than the original Switch. Some extra horsepower would also be appreciated. Recently we were trying to play Switch Sports with 4 players, and even my kids who are generally oblivious to graphical fidelity and framerate were complaining that it was basically unplayable in 4-player split screen.
- steve_adams_86 2y ago> Not only drift, which has claimed a number of them, but also issues with the console not recognizing when they are attached, and one pair that for some reason the switch won't recognize when trying to use in the horizontal orientation. Yeah... I've repaired our joycons so many times (they all ended up getting the hall sensor joysticks from gulikit, some got new batteries), and despite this and actually not even heavy play time on them, the pairing is absolutely brutal. Definitely my most disliked aspect of the Switch. We use gulikit controllers with the console pretty much exclusively. The price/performance ratio seemed right, I liked the first one we tried, and so I've just stuck with them.
- riahi 2y agoRE horizontal - there is a ribbon cable that can literally fracture which causes the Zr and Zl buttons to quit working which only really manifests when trying to use 1 joycon horizontally (personally when Mario party happens). The repair takes about 20 minutes the first time you do it and the ribbon cable is on amazon for about $7.
- baby 2y agoI have four controllers and basically none of them worked after a few years. I don't know how I feel about the quality of their stuff these days.
- slothtrop 2y agoI've skipped a few Nintendo console generations, but may grab this one. Right off the hop I can catch up with a decent library. The draw is it would be nice for the kids. Part of me was hoping it would be something more visionary, but maybe it's just not the right time. I noticed that competition is similarly betting on handheld devices.
- CM30 2y agoHonestly, they did exactly what they should have done here. Made a more powerful Switch with better hardware and backwards compatibility, with a clear and easily understandable name. Regardless, the things they need to update/fix are all really just technical and UI design problems; Joy-Cons drifting and rails failing to work, Switch Online being a laggy mess for many games, the eShop being near impossible to filter or find things in, etc. If they can get those things fixed, and get some popular Nintendo franchises out within the first year or so, then this could be a huge success.
- archeantus 2y agoApple should just buy Nintendo at this point. They don’t seem to have anything else going on.
- throwaway314155 2y ago> They don’t seem to have anything else going on. Apple? Are you certain about that?
- gigatexal 2y agoAny speculation on the hardware that might be in it?
- Halan 2y agoI don't care too much about the hardware spec. That's not why you buy a Nintendo. I hope Nintendo modernizes its software. I am talking about the UI and its multiplayer user experience. Preventing any modern chat/voice feature under the excuse of wanting to protect children from online danger is a laughable as it is solvable by expanding the parental control features. I am optimistic regarding this as Nintendo seem have turned its vision to taking a bit more risks as hinted in games like Super Mario Wonder that try to innovate in the multiplayer space. You'd say that that is not much but very few would have foreseen such a move from Nintendo.
- 0x70run 2y agoDamn, can't wait to pay 500+ USD to play mobile games! :)
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- paines 2y agoThat was a pretty boring annoucement. Yeah its cool how the elements on the device appear, but it gets boring when this is shown for both sides of the attachebles controllers. They have the opportunity to show e.g. exclusive games which would now look and perform super duper on the new hardware, because of a better resolution opr maybe HDR, but nothing like that? Or a comparison of the old one with the new? I think its a bit thin...