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Raspberry Pi 5

• ralphc 3y ago
  I'd like to know if the Pi 4 will still be manufactured. It's good enough for my projects and I'm not liking the extra cooling that sounds like will be needed.
  • Narishma 3y ago
    They're still manufacturing models 1, 2 and 3.
• goombacloud 3y ago
  Does this finally have UEFI by default?
• teaearlgraycold 3y ago
  Funny how the PCIe port has less bandwidth than the USB 3.0 ports (4Gbps vs. 5Gbps). But I'm sure there are latency or other benefits to PCIe.
  • ivolimmen 3y ago
    Using storage on USB 3 cost you processing power on the CPU but using PCI does not. As far as I know that is the only difference
• firemelt 3y ago
  anyone could tell me how did you use raspberry pi?
  • dm270 3y ago
    Home Assistant for home automation. Homematic for HVAC integration. Syncthing for backing up my phone's data. And last but not least just a Linux machine to ssh into to play around with.
  • euoia 3y ago
    I use it as part of a till / ePOS system to run a small node / express http server that drives a receipt printer and cash drawer.
  • codetrotter 3y ago
    Yes! I’ve used RPi SBCs for various purposes over time: - One early RPi I bought when RPi was very new to the market. I played around with it for a while and then I put it in a drawer. - Months later I pulled it out of the drawer and started hosting my website on it for a while. I have since moved on from using RPi at home for hosting any of my sites. Might do again at some point in time. - I use an SBC as one of the pieces of electronics that I use for controlling over 9000 LED pixels on a sculpture for which I created the light setup and programming. The LED strips we bought are from China and were supposed to be IP65 but even so we now have a bunch of the pixels showing only red, which is bad. No fault of the SBC. Also the SBC in this installation is not an RPi. But relevant nonetheless. - I hooked up an image sensor with a lens to an RPi and put it in a surveillance camera housing, and added PoE to it. Currently not in use but would like to deploy somewhere in the future if given the chance to do so. - I have an RPi that I have connected a 5TB drive to in an enclosure I bought from AliExpress. This RPi I both ssh into from my phone to download things for the future, and I also run a squid proxy on it via which one of my laptops connect.
    • a1o 3y ago
      If you pair the raspberry pi with cache in cloudfare I think you can host on it - I haven't tried it myself, but have been thinking about it.
      • codetrotter 3y ago
        > If you pair the raspberry pi with cache in cloudfare I think you can host on it Yup. That’s actually what I did :) And then the reason I stopped hosting my site on my RPi was because I felt like, well if I depend on Cloudflare anyways, I might as well just use a VPS, or GitHub pages, or Cloudflare Pages :p But there is something appealing in hosting things from home still. And doubly so when doing it without relying on Cloudflare etc What I will do however, is that next time I set up some internet reachable hosting of content at home I will maintain one version of it that is directly served from the machine at home itself, and then I will keep an up to date copy of it on one of my externally hosted servers.
  • nixarn 3y ago
    Mine's reading temperature, humidity and pressure from sensors and uploading it to a VPS. My second one that is, my first one hasn't done more than collect dust.
    • cptskippy 3y ago
      You can do that with the lowly ESP8266. https://imgur.com/a/UhL4OuD https://imgur.com/a/UhL4OuD
      • fulafel 3y ago
        Cool stuff. Connectivity can tilt towards RPi, you can do vpn, ipv6, mobile data (if you use a usb stick), ethernet etc.
        • cptskippy 3y ago
          Absolutely, ESPs are just microcontrollers. A Pi is a fully functional System-On-Chip. That being said the VPN is the only usecase you mention where you couldn't use a flavor of ESP. Funny thing is that modern 3G/4G/5G modems are full System-On-Chip computers themselves supporting virtualization. The Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8916 is a popular SoC used for LTE dongles that runs the modem Baseband Real-time OS and Debian/Android OS on the same CPU.
    • lproven 3y ago
      > my first one hasn't done more than collect dust. If you mean a Raspberry Pi 1, try RISC OS. Very un-Unix-like, predates Linux by nearly a decade. Single-core and goes very fast on a Pi 1. https://www.riscosdev.com/direct/ https://www.riscosdev.com/direct/
  • ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
    I use one to control my 3-D printer, with OctoPi. It also delivers a webcam feed, so I can monitor progress. Huge time-saver!
  • morjom 3y ago
    I used my 3B+ as a Vaultwarden server and PiHole.
  • bagels 3y ago
    As a controller for my lawn sprinklers that adjusts watering time based on historical rainfall data. Better than adjusting it every few months manually. Custom cron job that uses: https://opensprinkler.com/product/opensprinkler-pi/ https://opensprinkler.com/product/opensprinkler-pi/
  • benwilson-512 3y ago
    The processing unit in my espresso machine died and was back ordered for 4 months, so raspberry pi to the rescue! Is that much processing power necessary? Not even a little, but hey now it hosts its own web UI (local network only). Firmware (Elixir, nerves): https://github.com/benwilson512/coffee_time/blob/a49814e5d8a33adf17da2730e097c68f6831c7f6/app/lib/coffee_time/application.ex#L36 https://github.com/benwilson512/coffee_time/blob/a49814e5d8a...
  • fulafel 3y ago
    Lots of them are also going into commercial products, eg https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/production-and-supply-chain-update/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/production-and-supply-chain... from a time of tight supply said "We spend a lot of time on backlog management. We have to balance volume demand from commercial and industrial customers with the demand we see from individuals. Right now we feel the right thing to do is to prioritise commercial and industrial customers – the people who need Raspberry Pis to run their businesses – we’re acutely aware that people’s livelihoods are at stake."
  • TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    The Raspberry Pi CM4 is the main system processor for our open source solar powered farming robot called Acorn. I designed a custom motherboard for it in Kicad. We also use the Raspberry Pi RP2040 processor on our custom dual brushless motor controllers (also designed in Kicad). https://community.twistedfields.com/t/january-2023-update-new-vehicle-design-metal-shop-motor-controller-motherboard/343 https://community.twistedfields.com/t/january-2023-update-ne...
  • pmontra 3y ago
    The only one I'm using now is a Pi 3 (B?) with a DVB TV hat. I'm using it to stream broadcast TV to my tablet or phone. I can watch TV anywhere in my house. I very rarely turn on my TV now. I have another PI in a drawer as backup. I replaced all of them with Odroid since it became nearly impossible to buy Pis. I wonder if they'll start to make them available again to normal people but I don't know if I'm trusting the company anyway.
  • obscurette 3y ago
    - Two LibreELEC (https://libreelec.tv/ https://libreelec.tv/) mediaplayers in house (yes, one is not enough in my big family). - One for hosting low usage applications at home network (Unifi controller and some more). - Octoprint (https://octoprint.org https://octoprint.org) connected to the 3d-printer. - One on my desk for hardware hacking – mostly as just a PC with GPIO. - Some wireless Raspberry Pi Zeros as security cameras.
  • Jaxan 3y ago
    I run Nextcloud on it, to backup and sync documents at home. I just bought a 128GB sd card instead of using external storage via usb.
    • ivolimmen 3y ago
      The lifetime of an external USB drive is better than the SD card. My PINE64 after a few years stopped working due to the SD card giving up. It was a pain to recover my database from it but I did manage... that is why I am interested in this PI because of the PCI interface...
  • Renaud 3y ago
    An older one as a PiHole for my home. A Rpi3 as an octoprint server for my 3D oeubter, including canera feed. A friend uses his as a HomeAssistant server to monitor and manage his home lights, temperature and garden watering needs. And I have one as a nifty remote KVM (TinyPilot) that we also use for work. Connect it to the Internet and a PC and you can control that machine remotely. Also use it as a Windows RDP thinclient. And to tinker on electronic projects.
  • justusthane 3y ago
    RPi 4: - VPN server (Wireguard) - Network ad blocking (Pihole) - DNS resolver (unbound) - DynamicDNS client All running in Docker containers. RPi 3: - Home Assistant for home automation. I also have a Pi Zero that I intend to use to drive an e-ink screen for a wall-mounted display, but I haven't set that up yet. Previously I've also used the RPi 3 running AirPlay and hooked up to external speakers as a poor man's Sonos.
  • betamist 3y ago
    Home assistant instance with zigbee usb dongle, Volumio receiver connected to my speakers, screen for calendar, plant monitor, and for a while as a Kodi station.
  • kristopolous 3y ago
    It's my Wi-Fi hotspots, gateway, and network servers. I've got more powerful machines but it can route packets, serve http requests, manage dhcp, simple things like that without problem. I use a USB 3.0 Ethernet cable for the second port. It can keep up just fine.
  • mytailorisrich 3y ago
    It conttrols sensors in my desk drawers and notifies me when I have space to buy more Raspberry Pis.
    • heresie-dabord 3y ago
      This _does_ describe a specific class of ANTESACH (Absurd Nerd Tinkerer Enjoys Sensors And Cheap Hardware). Thank you for the laugh.
  • askvictor 3y ago
    Home server/media centre, serving : * Squeezebox music system * Plex video library * Homeassistant home automation * Retropie gaming * PiHole ad blocker (I have a second older pi running just this for redundancy) * Running a couple of minor web services and scripts on cron jobs.
  • fragmede 3y ago
    Courtesy of https://xeiaso.net/blog/gokrazy https://xeiaso.net/blog/gokrazy (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37583234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37583234 ); a "go" link shortener, memegen, and pastebin. I also wired up my garage remote to it, so I can hit a web page to open up my garage.
  • sdenton4 3y ago
    I made one into a time-lapse camera and shot a five month time lapse video. Learned a good bit of computational photography in the process. https://youtu.be/cyh0QJT0rAQ?si=Tcf-CjcD8BFZgSDq https://youtu.be/cyh0QJT0rAQ?si=Tcf-CjcD8BFZgSDq
  • avidiax 3y ago
    * Fileserver (SMB) * Download agent (i.e. torrent, JDownloader, ARIA) * Tailscale exit node * Endlessh tarpit * Sadly more reliable than my Mac Mini when running server workloads (lots of open SMB files crash MacOS) And all of this at quite a low power dissipation, which is the primary expense in running a home server. I don't do these things, but could: * PiHole * Kodi or Plex STB * Add a hat and have an indoor air quality monitor or similar
  • magicalhippo 3y ago
    Two for PiHole (primary and backup DNS) One for Stratum 0 NTP server (using GSP module with PPS) One for Home Assistant One for monitoring the solar power at my cabin, using a 4G USB device to send data home. The Home Assistant runs on a 4B, the others are using 3B's and a clone (NanoPi Zero). Got some Pi 4's that I use for various Linux experimentation and such. Sometimes I find it easier to get a Pi 4 up and running than a VM, and other times I need the GPIOs.
  • renegat0x0 3y ago
    My setup - nextcloud - django test environment - pihole - simple NAS
  • 72deluxe 3y ago
    My Pi4 (8GB ram) runs: 1. Mox mail server at home (PTR record set up with ISP) - https://github.com/mjl-/mox https://github.com/mjl-/mox. 2. Web server (no external hosting hurray); TLS set up via LetsEncrypt. 3. Navidrome for streaming my music collection to my phone/computers. I ripped my thousands of CDs to MP3. I use subtracks on my phone for listening to it, and sonixd on my computers (Mac/PC). https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome 4. mpd for driving some speakers via a USB audio interface so I can use some speakers plugged into the Pi for listening to music in the same room as the Pi (practicing guitar). I control this via the Supersonic app on my phone. 5. Wireguard VPN so I can connect home. 6. PiHole for my network at home. Combined with Wireguard, it means my phone is permanently connected to my home network and gets ad-blocking and stops apps dialing home. I use DroidHole on my phone to see what's going on. 7. xrdp server running, so a usable desktop is always available. 8. miniDLNA running connected to a NAS box so that I can watch all my DVDs easily on my TV downstairs (I spent weeks ripping them). 9. Tuya IoT API for turning some smart plugs in the house on/off via cronjob; I do this instead of using the timer in their app because it means my phone can be off the network/abroad and these plugs/lights still turn on/off. 10. linx-server (https://github.com/andreimarcu/linx-server https://github.com/andreimarcu/linx-server) for sharing files so that I don't have to use Google Drive and share with people that way. 11. Peer Calls (https://github.com/peer-calls/peer-calls https://github.com/peer-calls/peer-calls) so I can video conference in decent quality without having to use Google Meet / Teams etc. I also host a STUN and TURN server on the Pi so that Peer Calls works behind NAT. 12. Runs CUPS so that my very cheap Samsung wireless laser printer actually shows up as an AirPrint printer for my wife's iPad/iPhone and shows up in Android printing. (The printer does not natively have AirPrint capability but CUPS means I can provide it to users on the network). It fetches time over NTP on a cron job. It also blocks various ASNs and IPs by country on a cron job to stop annoying remote pests and cloud providers. It also runs Monitorix so I can see system load, and goaccess on a cron job so that I can see who's hitting my website without having to resort to analytics nonsense. It boots from USB3 (it has a NVMe in an IcyBox caddy). Incredibly useful device.
    • riddley 3y ago
      Out of curiosity, why run NTP from cron vs ntpd or chrony?
  • ThatPlayer 3y ago
    I've got one setup at work as a display for some networked security cameras. Displays 4 concurrent 720p streams on a TV for the office 24/7. Cheaper than Ubiquiti's solution [0] as we didn't need more than the 4 streams. At home I've got one for Home Assistant, one as a TV box because Netflix's sharing blocking check is only on smart TV apps. I've also got multiple as 3D printer controllers (klipper/octoprint). [0] https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-cameras-nvrs/products/ufp-viewport https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-cameras-nvrs/pro...
  • poulpy123 3y ago
    I used for some years a raspberry pi 2b as a media player with kodi. Then a bit as octoprint server to control a 3D printer. I will explore a way to use a RP4 or now RP5 for a local NAS that would be extensible and that could run more services and yool that my current QNAP TS-28A but I'm not very confident I will follow
  • Fnoord 3y ago
    I use * 1 CM4 for a PiKVM on my desktop (my main home server uses a proprietary iLO). * 1 CM4 as router running OpenWrt, to replace my ER-Lite. * 3 CM4s in a Turing Pi 2, one Jetson Orin for ML. This is my homelab. The CM4 are running Dietpi. * 2 RPi4 as remote VPN (Wireguard) endpoints to do tech support for my mother-in-law and mother. Also serves as Jellyfin server containing old movies, and jumphost for NAS backup. * 2 RPi0 2 W with Enviro+. One indoor, one outdoor (with different, custom 3D printed casings). Runs Raspbian, will switch these to Dietpi. * 1 RPi3 for with my portable HackRF (with custom 3D printed case). Batteries included! * 1 RPi0 W for Pwnagotchi. Not really used anymore but too cute to break. * 1 RPi0 W for Pimoroni grow to track water management in plants (with 3D printed case). Need to get that project moving, it is for my mother. All my Docker containers run on my main server but I'm considering to switch to my Turing Pi 2. I got solar, so the Xeon is OK for now, but still... Then I got: 1 RPi3B+, 1 CM4, 1 RPi2B, 1 RPi0 W. I should sell as they're right now 'Raspberry Piles'. Won't use them. To be frank I'd like to upgrade the RPi3 with the portable HackRF at some point, and once I get a 3D printer I might need Octoprint so I suppose I could use one of these machines for that.
    • brunoqc 3y ago
      > 1 CM4 as router running OpenWrt, to replace my ER-Lite. CM is the computer module, right? what kind of "board" do you use the CM4 with to use it as a router?
      • Fnoord 3y ago
        I went with Dfrobot [1] because they also sell a case (and it is all in stock). Had the CM4 already. I wouldn't have minded another one if I could've 3D printed the case but I didn't find such. Btw, I did have to go from 3 to 2 ports. Right now it is hooked up on my switch. I intend to put it between my desktop and my switch and run some iperf3. Because I'll get fiber soon, and I'd like to be able to saturate that. [1] https://www.dfrobot.com/product-2705.html https://www.dfrobot.com/product-2705.html
        • brunoqc 3y ago
  • zoomTo125 3y ago
    mostly as a jump host
  • rsaxvc 3y ago
    Pi2 with RTLSDR to monitor local flights in the area. Pi4 for SSH server and general arm64 playground. Pair of Pi4 running Ardupilot and OpenHD, one on my quadcopter, one driving the base station monitor and antenna tracker.
  • spacechild1 3y ago
    various multi-media art installations
  • x0x0 3y ago
    I have a nice amp (Loxjie A30), but the bluetooth connection is both fidgety and subject to all the usual bluetooth incompetence (year 20 of the alpha test.) I have a raspberry pi running a spotify connect implementation outputting audio to the amp via usb. It sits there and silently (or, well, not so silently) works; it's great! There's some mucking with alsa to get it set up, but under 90 minutes.
• akomtu 3y ago
  Price? That's what makes raspi different, after all.
  • codetrotter 3y ago
    Price is actually secondary at this point. The primary advantage of the RPi over a lot of other SBCs is how widespread its use is, and all of the addons you can buy for it.
  • MarcScott 3y ago
    $60 and $80 according to https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/
    • Iulioh 3y ago
      I don't mean the price but the _price_ I'm kinda tired on not being able to buy a PI because the production is so limited...
• 0xcoffee 3y ago
  Is there any way to get notified when the resellers make pre-ordering available?
• matheusmoreira 3y ago
  Open source firmware?
• fifteen1506 3y ago
  Not going to buy for now but curious if a 16GB RAM version is going to exist.
  • justusthane 3y ago
    Not according to the video. 4 or 8GB.
    • trvz 3y ago
      From the product page: > LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM (4GB and 8GB SKUs available at launch) This implies there will be either smaller or bigger SKUs at a later date. The 8 GB SKU of the Pi 4 wasn't available at launch, either.
      • sccxy 3y ago
        Printed memory options on board: 8G, 4G, 2G, 1G https://shop.pimoroni.com/cdn/shop/files/PI_5_TOP_1500x1500.png https://shop.pimoroni.com/cdn/shop/files/PI_5_TOP_1500x1500....
  • peteforde 3y ago
    It's actually a pretty safe bet that you'll see a 16GB version in 2024.
• isoprophlex 3y ago
  I'm happy that they're upgrading the pi, but it's not exactly lightweight computing in terms of power (they recommend a 27W PSU) or performance/watt (see: your cell phone) To me the charm of the raspi ecosystem was always in giving you a very low power, "always on, almost no power draw" linux environment. Oh well, I guess there's always the older versions or the zero for that.
  • LeoPanthera 3y ago
    I don't think the newer models are supposed to completely supersede the older models. They are still available, and they still make them. If you have low power needs, you can use those.
  • TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    It's great for my farming robot though. We have plenty of power but want something small and reliable, and the Raspberry Pi Compute Module works wonders for this. More power will be welcome once they release a Compute Module version of the 5.
    • qchris 3y ago
      Is there a reason you're not interested in those NVIDIA Jetson modules? Even excluding the GPU compute, I had thought the Orin boards were significantly faster than a Pi 4.
      • TaylorAlexander 3y ago
        So for what we’re using it for, which is handling Wi-Fi communications to a central server, handling CAN bus communications to four motor controllers, dealing with RTK GPS and calculating path following parameters for GPS paths, the raspberry pi is perfect. They are cheap, have excellent documentation, and until recently availability was no issue. Jetson boards are much more expensive. We do plan on making a computer vision add on for our robot which uses the Orin or similar to process images, but I find the raspberry pi perfect for sort of stitching the whole system together.
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• liminalsunset 3y ago
  The fins on the active cooler are the wrong orientation (the fan is blowing at the flat sides instead of along it). I'm curious why it was designed this way when so much effort was put into using a proper 4 pin blower fan and header. It will probably work fine but it's something you notice just like how Dell put the heatsink on the IDRAC card in the R420 the wrong way, which would have significant impacts on airflow and cooling.
  • gholling 3y ago
    Because manufacturing... Otherwise you have to CNC the whole thing and it makes it really expensive.
    • liminalsunset 3y ago
      I suppose you have a point. It was probably extruded along the fins like this (coming straight in/out of screen): __|||||||___(fan)____ Then they would have to CNC the edges off to create the mounting ears anyway and cut the slots in the fins. I suppose they could just make the gaps larger but this is probably getting into the details...
• Brajeshwar 3y ago
  What is (or would be) the "Tsundoku" equivalent for Raspberry Pi? I started with Pi-Hole a few years back but ended up with a commercial paid DNS resolver. The timeline usually goes like this -- will stumble on another interesting video of Jeff Geerling, then spend the weekend tinkering with the Pi, keeps running, forget about it, found it to be not needed, plugs off and is lying around. [Tsundoku](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundoku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundoku) (Japanese: 積ん読) is the art of buying books and never reading them.
  • betamist 3y ago
    I think it’s hard to generalize that into a phenomenon. I have always bought 2 new raspberry pies with every release. I’ve used some and forgotten, unplugged some, given away some, broke some, and now they’re all used in some way. I bought them because I knew I’ll use them. I didn’t buy any other random toys or mini computing devices (even though they were alluring) because I knew I wouldn’t use them. There should be a name for the art of making every thing that randomly happens to some people into a phenomenon.
    • bartvk 3y ago
      I dub it "phenomenonization". I do recognize GP, though. In college, I was obsessed with Linux. Nowadays I have a Macbook, and like you, have an Intel NUC (running Windows). I really don't need a Raspberry. But boy, do I need to resist the urge to get one.
      • walteweiss 3y ago
        I hadn’t enough resources to delve into Linux too much back then, and switched to macOS instead. Fast forward 15 years and I’m back to Linux and don’t enjoy my macOS time any longer. Windows, always despised.
  • aastronaut 3y ago
    I think it should be "The art of buying single-board computers and never running them once". I think the "once" is needed in the case of computers. They are as machines not directly comparable to books... A book, like any media, fulfilled its initial purpose after it has been "consumed" - anything else (looks nice, feels nice, smells nice) are physical, subjective qualities attached to it. You might even buy it solely for these physical qualities, but that's besides the point. A machine has its purpose in its usage, and that usage requires known resources that should not be carelessly wasted. I personally buy them to enable a utility for myself and have fun discovering it. It fulfilled its initial purpose even if it was powered on just once. Even those single-board computers that were put to "good use", as building blocks for new devices (eg. [0]), are still not in use the whole time. [0]: https://www.creativeapplications.net/objects/paragraphica-context-to-image-ai-camera/ https://www.creativeapplications.net/objects/paragraphica-co...
• gautamcgoel 3y ago
  They say that the silicon was "designed in-house" for the best possible performance. What does that mean, exactly? Does it have semi-custom ARM cores? That seems unlikely to me.
  • TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    Its not the main SOC that was designed in house, it is an I/O processor. Which still sounds great. There is much more I/O throughput which has plenty of value for me (robotics).
  • mytailorisrich 3y ago
    The copy feels like they hired ex Apple marketing guys to produce that launch page.
• 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  will it be unobtanium?
  • revanx_ 3y ago
    sounds like it's designed to be that way, yes.
  • pinkfox 3y ago
    I hope not. It only feels like recently that you can pick up a RPi 4 used for the price they should've been new. Otherwise, scalped listings on eBay or Amazon have took over. I still want my first RPi but I already have associated them with being hard to buy and way more expensive than makes sense.
  • rcarmo 3y ago
    Their supply chain constraints are mostly gone in Europe - I can buy 4s and Zero 2Ws with overnight delivery.
• revanx_ 3y ago
  They announce the product but you can't even pre-order it, a typical pi experience.
  • m_t 3y ago
    I can pre order on the Pi Hut right now if that website is available to you.
• asddubs 3y ago
  I would love to see a more side by side comparison of specs. 2-3x times the speed pretty good though. The raspi 4 was just on the cusp of being usable as a main computer, I wonder how good this will be.
  • phoyd 3y ago
    Pi5 is already on Geekbench. Speed seemed to be on the ballpark of a mobile Intel i5 dual core 4xxx IIRC.
  • schappim 3y ago
    I've used one in person. I would say that it has crossed the threashold. I've only played w/ it using a microSD card. Whilst the microSD card slot now has support for high-speed SDR104 mode (roughly twice as fast as the Pi4), I can only imagine that speeds will increase when connecting SSDs via PCIe. They like to use JS benchmarking to do this. I forgot which exact benchmark they usesed (sorry)! The RPI4 was benchmarking ~50, the PI5 was scoring about ~130. They were saying the RPI5 was scoring equivalent to a 2015 MacBook Air.
  • Narishma 3y ago
    > The raspi 4 was just on the cusp of being usable as a main computer, I wonder how good this will be. Don't worry, software developers are on it. Soon the Pi 5 will also be on the cusp of being usable as a main computer.
    • badtension 3y ago
      What? Software getting slower faster than hardware getting faster? Impossible!
      • anticensor 3y ago
        That phenomenon even has a name: Wirth's law.
  • heresie-dabord 3y ago
    > raspi 4 was just on the cusp of being usable as a main computer I use a Pi 400 (running Debian) as my primary dev box and access terminal to the Internet. ^_^ It definitely works for me, but I fear that you will next tell us that you need to run software that isn't compiled for ARM (e.g. Adobe graphics suite) or to connect some specific hardware, such as a centrifuge that works only with Windows drivers. Cheers!
• nlstitch 3y ago
  Only quad core, no 16gb or 32gb ram option and pcie only available through a hat (and possibly slower than the usb3 port)? I was expecting a bit more to be honest.
  • eurekin 3y ago
    Same. Went with Odroid HS3+ instead and couldn't be happier
  • wkat4242 3y ago
    And only 16nm. Imagine what you could do with even a budget smartphone chip with modern 5nm tech
• msoad 3y ago
  Why there is no WiFi? Without wireless internet connection it's almost useless for me
  • TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    > Dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi
• cptskippy 3y ago
  Doh! I was just able to purchase my first Pi4 this month!
  • doomemax 3y ago
    Depending on the project, a Pi 4 might still be the better option! What are you planning on using it for?
    • cptskippy 3y ago
      I was just pointing out the irony. Pi4s and compute modules have been unobtanium for so long. I finally got my hands on Pi4 and the Pi5 is announced.
• akmittal 3y ago
  > 4Kp60 HEVC decoder This is game changer as TV box.
  • wkat4242 3y ago
    Good point H265 support is badly needed these days
  • Tepix 3y ago
    There have been good cheap options for TV boxes for quite a while (the Amlogic S905 was released in 2014). They were game changers back then. That said, LibreElec has been beta testing the RPi5 and will support it. Dev images are ready: https://libreelec.tv/2023/09/28/rpi5-support/ https://libreelec.tv/2023/09/28/rpi5-support/
  • LeoPanthera 3y ago
    The Pi4 can already play 4k24 HEVC. There isn't a lot of 4K video content with a higher frame rate.
• bloopernova 3y ago
  Is there a specification comparison between the pi 4 and 5? I didn't see one on the linked site.
  • keyle 3y ago
    That would be useful. The video has some claims in it but no clear table.
  • MarcScott 3y ago
    This has some benchmark graphs after the first page - https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks
• JeremyBarbosa 3y ago
  Phoronix already has some benchmarks on it for those looking for more specific performance numbers: https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks
  • geerlingguy 3y ago
    I'm also posting some additional benchmarks to my GitHub sbc-reviews repo: https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/21 https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/21
• Zuiii 3y ago
  I'm tired of information being vague, under-specified, or only available under NDA (if you're lucky). I'm not stupid enough to hop on this ride again. Are there any fully open (in terms of schematics, firmware) RISCV rpi-"compatibles" out there? I'd be happy to pay triple the price of this thing for a power-efficient linux-capable sbc that is open.
  • foggywin 3y ago
    What do you mean with vague information? There is an entire blog post describing the product: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/
    • iamtedd 3y ago
      This is pretty bad: "Does Raspberry Pi 5 need active cooling? "Raspberry Pi 5 is faster and more powerful than prior-generation Raspberry Pis, and like most general-purpose computers, it will perform best with active cooling. The Raspberry Pi Case for Raspberry Pi 5, with its integrated fan, is one way to provide this." They pose a question themselves, and don't even answer it. Of course something will perform best with active cooling. Does it need it? I don't need this wishy-washy marketing language from Raspberry Pi.
      • joefarish 3y ago
        I think they answer your question in the PSU section “Raspberry Pi 5 consumes significantly less power, and runs significantly cooler, than Raspberry Pi 4 when running an identical workload.”
        • wiz21c 3y ago
          I think the question is actually: "can I safely (like it's not going to melt or catch fire) use the RPI5 under any load without active cooling) ?".
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• keyle 3y ago
  This is exciting. I wish this would work without a fan, just with a good cooling system. I say this because I love the idea of a full linux computer without a fan. I'm loving the Apple silicon machines at the moment for this. Perfect silent computing. I wish it came as well in a larger board, with proper HDMI ports. There is a market for silent linux machines, I think! What would be your dream linux fan-less setup?
  • heresie-dabord 3y ago
    > What would be your dream linux fan-less setup? I am quite satisfied using the Pi 400, a portable LCD display, and a wireless backlit keyboard.
    • esrauch 3y ago
      The Pi400 is already a keyboard isn't it? You use a second separate keyboard with it?
      • heresie-dabord 3y ago
        Yes, thank you, I omitted that there is also a Pi 4 in the mix. I do like the Pi 400 and would be happy to see one configured with 8GB. Lovely little machine.
  • fragmede 3y ago
    The other day, I found myself in the interesting state of needing an x86 binary, but not having any x86 machines readily available. My (i)phone, laptop - apple silicon macbook, home server - raspberry pi, all run ARM! Previously, that would have been limited to just my phone, but, ah, time marches on
  • ACV001 3y ago
    I am sure it will work without a fan
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• sampa 3y ago
  I was hoping for usb-c outputs vs miniHDMI (yeah, I know, they probably want to be compatible ith rpi4 cases, but still...)
  • 000ooo000 3y ago
    Fyi >Will my Raspberry Pi 5 fit my Raspberry Pi 4 case? >Raspberry Pi 5 won't fit the Raspberry Pi 4 Case. We recommend the Raspberry Pi Case for Raspberry Pi 5, designed to help you get the most out of our newest computer.
    • timbit42 3y ago
      I wish it was positive air flow though.
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• zeristor 3y ago
  Any talk of CM5, or a PiZero 3W?
• osti 3y ago
  They even officially want to sell you a cooling fan. So I'm assuming the A76 is going to overheat more than the A72 in the 4?
• PrivateButts 3y ago
  TBH the thing I hate most about this category of SBC is the reliance on SD cards. They are both too unreliable to trust and so slow that they often bottleneck the SBC. Buying them is often a crap shoot too, I've purchased cards batches of cards from the supposed reputable manufacturers that were all over the board when benchmarked, and rarely did they hit the claimed speed spec. I would love if there was an alternative that was not as much as a jump as those SSD flash drives or NVME drive. Maybe OS grade eMMC M.2 drives the size of those wifi cards?
  • spiderfarmer 3y ago
    I have not broken a "max endurance" SD card yet. But they're pretty expensive.
  • liminalsunset 3y ago
    This device has a PCIe 2.0 x1 connector now, so NVMe drives should be usable now. The Compute Module 4 series have been able to support eMMC chips, so I don't see why they wouldn't continue with the 5 if/when it shows up
    • mlyle 3y ago
      > This device has a PCIe 2.0 x1 connector now, so NVMe drives should be usable now. It's a fiddly FPC connector though, which isn't a great contributor to mechanical robustness.
      • martin_a 3y ago
        Oh yeah, I've lost quite a few camera projects to these connectors with cables breaking, slipping out of the connector and whatnot. Maybe just a bad choice of cables, not sure.
      • Kirby64 3y ago
        FPC is used in billions of devices with perfectly fine robustness. As long as it isn't part of some flexible mechanism (e.g., a flex display, or something folding), it should be just fine. If you toss it into a box with the FPC flopping in the breeze then I'm sure it would be terrible, but... don't do that?
• ytch 3y ago
  Out of curiosity, does 5V/5A USB-C changer common? All of my USB-C Chargers has 5V/3A only.
  • mytailorisrich 3y ago
    5V/5A means at least 25W. Plenty of chargers at that level and above on Amazon.
    • ThatPlayer 3y ago
      25W is easy, but most of them will not do it at 5V. I checked one of my 100W chargers, it'll only do 5A @ 20V. 3A at every other voltage. Looking at many other chargers on Amazon do the same.
    • zweifuss 3y ago
      I just did a quick review on Amazon of adapters ranging from 30 to 120W. Not a single one claimed to support 5V/5A DC. Only a couple claimed 5V/4.5A and they were expensive. 5V/3A is common in the $15+ category.
    • numpad0 3y ago
      Most 65W chargers are 20V/3A. Standard USB cables are built to carry at most 2-3A, and e-marker cable authentication chips are required for 5A, I believe, because people running 100W on a random USB cable is scary. Chargers that would do 5V/5A probably do PD 20V/5A as well, = 100W. Or it'll be a non-conforming special Pi PSU of sorts.
    • crote 3y ago
      Unfortunately that's not how USB PD works. In PD Land, 25W means 9V/2.8A. A charger is allowed to offer 5V/5A but at no power level is it mandatory, so even a fully USB PD compliant 100W charger which can do 20V/5A is not guaranteed to power the Pi 5.
  • liminalsunset 3y ago
    It does not appear to be common, or at least, it's not in the spec. Per USB-C spec, chargers only have to supply 3A at various voltages, with 5A used only for the 100W 20V profile. If you buy a charger advertised to support "PPS" at 65W or so or more, you are more likely to get one that does this, though not all will actually do it.
• zxcvgm 3y ago
  Interestingly the Pi 5 has moved most I/O like Ethernet, USB, MIPI and GPIO into a custom I/O controller chip called the RP1. It talks to the main CPU over 4-lane PCIe. They also have a custom PMIC (Dialog DA9091) with a built-in RTC and support for external backup battery. Everything else seems pretty standard.
  • schappim 3y ago
    > Interestingly the Pi 5 has moved most I/O like Ethernet, USB, MIPI and GPIO into a custom I/O controller chip called the RP1. For cost-saving reasons, the I/O is located in the RP1 Southbridge (which has a larger process size) instead of the SoC. I had the opportunity to preview the Pi5 and have provided a detailed breakdown of the RP1's components [1]. In summary, what I/O functionalities does the RP1 manage? Essentially, it handles almost all of them. [1] https://youtu.be/q_QPM9xV_sw?si=dq-EEUp2u05-KrhM&t=252 https://youtu.be/q_QPM9xV_sw?si=dq-EEUp2u05-KrhM&t=252
    • dboreham 3y ago
      Just like a 1970s IBM mainframe ;)
  • hedora 3y ago
    I’m surprised they are only claiming 2-3x performance improvements for this vs. the four. The four was great until I realized that they hung all sorts of stuff off the same bottlenecked USB controller. I’d think moving them to PCIe would net much more than 2-3x real world improvement.
• rgovostes 3y ago
  At the moment the product page is just a list of specs, but the blog post goes into much more detail, including describing the new RP1 I/O controller: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ On pre-ordering: > We’re also giving every print subscriber to The MagPi and HackSpace magazines a single-use code, giving them priority access to Raspberry Pi 5 hardware. A subscription is US$43 and up, and gets you a priority code to use at PiShop or The Pi Hut. You pay full price for the RPi 5, but it ships to you first.
  • dwardu 3y ago
    times are tough, right?
    • snvzz 3y ago
      There's always RISC-V.
      • Fnoord 3y ago
        Curious how Milk-V Mars CM [1] holds up to an eventual CM5 [1] https://milkv.io/mars-cm https://milkv.io/mars-cm
        • brucehoult 3y ago
          A bit slower than a CM4, of course. The Lichee Module 4A is a CM-style board, though not compatible with CM4, and is generally a bit faster than a Pi 4. That's the fastest RISC-V you can get right now (but you can get 64 of those > Pi4 cores in one chip!). Chip and boards in RK3588 class coming next year, so that's ~Pi5.
      • rollcat 3y ago
        A CPU instruction set architecture means nothing without someone designing, building, and shipping the rest of the computer around it. https://stat545.com/img/how-to-draw-an-own-imgur.jpg https://stat545.com/img/how-to-draw-an-own-imgur.jpg
• dang 3y ago
  Related ongoing thread: Rasperry Pi 5 Specs and Images Leaked from Element14? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37685073 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37685073 - Sept 2023 (70 comments)
• solarkraft 3y ago
  One thing that keeps these SBCs from being super useful and differentiates them from x86 computers is I/O. More PCIe lanes would've helped here. But I guess this PCIe connection is at least officially accessible rather than being used up by internal adapters?
• pxeger1 3y ago
  Power button included - interesting.
• foresto 3y ago
  > PCIe 2.0 x1 interface for fast peripherals (requires separate M.2 HAT or other adapter) This could make it appealing for a low-power server, like a home NAS. In previous models, disk I/O had to be over USB, which imposes more CPU load than native SATA, along with various unpleasant quirks typical of USB-to-SATA bridges. Too bad it's only one lane (assuming that's what they mean by x1), but I think that's almost enough to saturate a SATA bus, so it should nevertheless be useful where NVMe speeds aren't needed. I hope it's implemented well.
  • crote 3y ago
    PCIe 2.0 x1 can do 4Gbps, that should be more than plenty for any NAS - especially considering the ethernet port is 1Gbps.
    • foresto 3y ago
      Sure, but USB ethernet adapters exist, as do multi-disk servers. Not bad for a simple setup, though, especially one aimed at conserving power. (Although this board's idle power draw remains to be seen.)
• wtcactus 3y ago
  I've been trying for almost 1 year, to get a Pi 4 at MRSP and it's impossible due to production shortages, but they decided it was a good idea to thin even more the production lines with a different model. Sincerely, it seems a very bad idea from their part.
  • mlyle 3y ago
    > I've been trying for almost 1 year, to get a Pi 4 at MRSP and it's impossible due to production shortages Where are you? Chicago, PiShop, and Digikey have Pi4's at MSRP right now in the US, and have had them for most of the last 6 weeks. Availability in Europe looks even better... Pi Zero 2W and CM4 are more problematic, but not in the category of "wait a year."
• chubs 3y ago
  It's ARM with quad A76 cores. I was curious up until this announcement to see if they'd ever release a RISCV raspberry pi.
  • geerlingguy 3y ago
    I asked Eben about that in an interview earlier this year, and the answer is "probably not too soon" — RISC-V has a lot of designs available, but most have been in the lower-end 'efficiency' class compared to cores like A76 (which the Pi 5 uses) and Neoverse, which are a lot faster. But tech progresses on... never say never.
    • brucehoult 3y ago
      A76-class RISC-V cores have been available to license since June 2021, and boards with them will be arriving in H1 next year.
      • chubs 3y ago
        That sounds really exciting! Do you happen to know if such boards will be competitive with the RPi5 eg quad-core etc. I love the idea of RISC-V resolving some of the drivers dilemma that SBCs seem to face. I recall some talk of extensions that might make it viable as a GPU core one day. Not to rain on the RPi5 parade of course, i'm sure it's a fantastic bit of kit :)
• ensocode 3y ago
  Awesome, but will I ever get my hands on this device?
• ThatPlayer 3y ago
  Only OpenGL ES is disappointing. ARM's Mali Panfrost drivers get full desktop OpenGL, so do Snapdragon GPUs. Hopefully they implement enough of Vulkan for Zink.
• lukeholder 3y ago
  Jeff Geerling rundown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBtOEmUqASQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBtOEmUqASQ
  • rgovostes 3y ago
    There's also a writeup: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/testing-pcie-on-raspberry-pi-5 https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/testing-pcie-on-raspb...
    • geerlingguy 3y ago
      And a bunch more test data: https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/21 https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/21 (includes some notes on power consumption, etc.)
      • MikusR 3y ago
        I wish you could add Syncthing Hashrate. It's logged on startup. Single thread SHA256 performance is 64 MB/s using crypto/sha256 (64 MB/s using minio/sha256-simd). Hashing performance is 56.63 MB/s Thats on Raspberry Pi 400.
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    • shlubbert 3y ago
      You've gotta back up claims like that with at least some kind of citation or it just comes across like libel.
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      • Calvin02 3y ago
        Just did a few searches using his name + politics. His blog was the first link. It appears that he is a devout catholic and opposed to progressive policies.
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• zuhsetaqi 3y ago
  So a Raspberry Pi 27W USB-C Power Supply and they also showing an active cooler. Seems like this thing is running even hotter than the previous version. Btw am I the only one who hates to buy their power supply because the USB-C cable is not removable?
  • 0x073 3y ago
    All laptop power supply with USB c have non removable USB c cables. Probably that no one can blame them for burning or low power with third party cables.
    • gempir 3y ago
      Ironically Apple uses detachable USB C Cable on their power supplies for their Macbooks
      • Kon-Peki 3y ago
        .. and their iPads (which is a better size for something like a Pi 4/5) In fact, all of our USB-C power supplies around the house are Apple - Chromebooks, Thinkpads, etc. They don't break and the cables are detachable; whenever the junk that originally came with the device breaks, the Apple ones we have laying around are there to just work. The small ones don't even have an Apple logo that you can see when plugged in, so if the idea of using Apple products bother you then go ahead and paint it, plug it in, and forget about it for a decade.
    • moreati 3y ago
      Most or many, but not all. Apple Macbook supplies are a counterexample, e.g. https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MX0J2B/A/96w-usb-c-power-adapter https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MX0J2B/A/96w-usb-c-pow...
    • black3r 3y ago
      not all, for example apple's macbook power supplies have removable USB-C cables
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• pjerem 3y ago
  I hope they’ll reiterate the computer in keyboard form factor (pi 400). My son is 6 and is learning to read and the pi 400 looks like a perfect first computer.
  • maxmalkav 3y ago
    I really like the form factor, if only there would be some off-the-shelf options for a mechanical keyboard version .. I know there are plenty DIY projects for this (and the cyberdeck scene is a rabbit hole that I do not dare to go down), but it would be nice something more easily available.
    • fanf2 3y ago
      Yeah the 400 made it difficult to fit a replacement keyboard. It will be really nice if the 500 has an RP2040 for the keyboard controller instead of the fixed function Holtek thing in the 400. Then the keyboard FPC connector would be a second secret GPIO bank :-)
  • 72deluxe 3y ago
    The Pi400 would be a perfect first computer. It runs faster than the Pi4 and doesn't get hot due to the colossal copper heat spreader inside it. It really is a BBC B modern equivalent.
    • fanf2 3y ago
      The Raspberry Pi 4 has been upgraded to run at the same speed as the 400, from 1.5GHz to 1.8GHz https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/specifications/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/...
  • birracerveza 3y ago
    The Amiga 500, then 30 years later, the Raspberry 500. I'd buy one. Probably more.
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• lloydatkinson 3y ago
  Five generations in and it finally gets radical features such as: - a power button - a real time clock Crazy it took this long but finally, seriously. Downsides here are that it might need more active cooling whereas previous generations worked without it. Also, ugh: > Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate PoE+ HAT)
  • m463 3y ago
    > Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate PoE+ HAT) isn't this just like the 4?
    • lloydatkinson 3y ago
      Just a shame they didn’t add actual POE without extra hardware.
      • geerlingguy 3y ago
        PoE requires a few beefy components that would blow the board size (and BOM) up quite a bit, for a feature probably only 10-20% of users require. I'm happy with a separate accessory, but wish they could've kept compatibility with the previous versions.
        • markonen 3y ago
          The idea that even 10-20% of users would power their Pis with PoE seems wild to me. Seems like a much smaller niche to me (even though I'm one of those people). Anyway, I have been wondering whether a headless-oriented SKU wouldn't make sense. Pay for the PoE BOM by jettisoning the video output.
          • mrweasel 3y ago
            I'm really surprised that PoE isn't more prevalent that is currently the case, but I guess it's because most people prefer WiFi devices. I'd add network jacks to everything and remove the power plugs if the option was presented. Most "normal" people seem to be the other way around. "Wireless" speakers (they'd be networks speakers then) / home assistant devices / media players and whatever else should always be attached with a network cable, so just power them over PoE. I'm still annoying that the AppleTV isn't PoE enabled. That's not a device I'd use over WiFi anyway.
• alex-robbins 3y ago
  Does the Pi 4 have hardware video decoding in mainline Linux yet? I gave up on Raspberry stuff after buying a 4 and finding out that the mainline support was so much worse than expected.
  • schappim 3y ago
    It seems the answer is 'yes', especially for formats like h.264. Notably, they discontinued HW support in the RPI5 and chose to process it through software instead. This approach saves money since they don't need to pay for the intellectual property rights in the System on Chip (SoC). Additionally, the BCM2712 handles the video processing w/out breaking a sweat.
• botanical 3y ago
  I've said this before but I feel like the Raspberry Pi Foundation hasn't met its objective of making computers accessible and affordable to everyone (especially children in disadvantaged places). In South Africa, the average child from a disadvantaged background has no chance of buying a Pi. Arduino on the other hand, and them open sourcing the hardware means very cheap but less powerful SBCs from companies in China (and elsewhere). I hope to see something in a similar vein from them as they have the ecosystem and resources to mass produce very cheap boards, but the Pi itself is prohibitively expensive, and it looks like they cater to companies first and prioritise making a profit.
  • schappim 3y ago
    The Foundation is not the same as Raspberry Pi (Trading) Ltd. While the Foundation is hardware-agnostic, they have a particular fondness for the Raspberry Pi. > Arduino on the other hand, and them open sourcing the hardware means very cheap but less powerful SBCs from companies in China. You probably don't know that the Raspberry Pi Pico is now also produced in Africa (I only learned last week). It offers better value for money compared to the ATMEGA328P. Additionally, Raspberry Pi is actively supporting the development of hardware manufacturing skills in Africa.
  • hnbad 3y ago
    Raspberry Pi always felt more commercial than Arduino with a stronger focus on a branded range of products than providing a template for others to copy. We've even come to the point where it's no longer the cheapest option for what it provides at the same form factor. There are usually cheaper options with similar or even superior hardware even for things like the Raspberry Zero.
  • rldjbpin 3y ago
    for most countries (besides the uk and the us afaik), getting an rpi almost often meant paying more than the "$35" sticker price, despite accounting for taxes. in the past, what would have been the prices in South Africa in your experience? for me, usually the final price would have been a 50% mark up minimum.
• 000ooo000 3y ago
  What would someone excited about the improved specs on the 5 be using a Pi for? I have 1-2 of each gen, but to me, they aren't devices I would use if I needed grunt. They're just solid little low power, low heat devices for running odds and ends. Curious what people who are pushing them hard are using them for.
  • Pathogen-David 3y ago
    I used a Pi 4 as a CI server for a previous project. While speed wasn’t critical (it was fast enough for me to not care save for one rarer multi-hour job that was usually cached) I certainly would’ve welcomed the improvements the Pi 5 is bringing.
  • teamonkey 3y ago
    I don't know why people would select a RPi for something that needed raw CPU speed, but the new IO chip is a winner for me. The IO has sucked on all Raspberry Pis to date. I tried to use a Pi 4 connected to a USB3 HDD as a wireless NAS and it was abysmally slow, despite the CPU never breaking a sweat.
  • spacechild1 3y ago
    I use my RPis for multi-media installations, with at least 2 cores almost maxed out. So I am quite excited about this announcement :)
  • salawat 3y ago
    ...I'd like to point put that the Pi 4 without any overclocking basically replaced the first non 486 my gamily owned as a family computer. The Pi 5 will end up replacing my first gaming spec'd E-Machine. Considering the wide variety of use cases I got out of both of those computers growing up, it takes very little imagination imo to figure out what to do with them. Even on e I get around to actually getting an x64 server spec'd machine for actually doing grunt work, I figure these little Pi's will be perfect for little oneoffs like mirroring repos I care about. Constrained dev boxes, network jiggery pokery boxes. Hell, might even get around to trying a non traditional form factor builds one of these days
• doomemax 3y ago
  Here's an overview of a lot of the specs and how it compares to Raspberry Pi 4: https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/a-first-look-at-raspberry-pi-5/ https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/a-first-look-at-raspberry...
• stkdump 3y ago
  No word on price. When Raspberry Pi first launched, this was the prime feature of the thing. Can we expect same price as the Raspberry Pi 4? (at the respective RAM level) Edit: found it here: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ So the 4 GB model is 60$, which is 5$ more than the 4 GB model of the Raspberry 4 when that was launched: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-from-35/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-... . I guess that is fair, especially with inflation nowadays. So they stay true to the idea of making this available for cheap.
  • martijnvds 3y ago
    $60 for the model with 4GB of RAM and $80 for 8GB. It's mentioned in Eben Upton's blog post (linked from the announcement): https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/
    • crossroadsguy 3y ago
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      • vor0nwe 3y ago
        You’re aware that ‘they, the fruit sellers’ isn't very distinctive in this context?
        • crossroadsguy 3y ago
          Yes it is. Because the other possible reference isn’t selling even a full device at $200 and they are not at all known as the fruit company.
    • sillysaurusx 3y ago
      Sure, if you want the raw board and nothing else. I spent $100 for a starter kit that had an enclosure and some heat sinks. It came with a controller for a retropi installation too which was a nice touch.
• e28eta 3y ago
  from the product brief: “Raspberry Pi 5 will remain in production until at least January 2035” I would have guessed that as they move up the performance + power curve, such a long production commitment is less interesting for most users, but maybe I’m wrong. I wanted to also include their “increased release cadence” - but apparently it’s been 4+ years since the Pi 4 was released, it just doesn’t feel like it to me due to the chip shortage and pandemic…
  • dwlg00 3y ago
    Damn that's a long time
  • pja 3y ago
    It’s really important for industrial users & RPi has put a lot of focus on their commercial customers for some time now.
• lynx23 3y ago
  Wow, time is moving fast. I am still happy with my rpi3 as a MPD server to feed Sonos with a custom, local audio stream.
• efitz 3y ago
  I really wish they would have just built in PoE+ rather than requiring a hat; the hat dramatically reduces the choice of case hardware. Now I want to see what they do with the RPi Zero.
  • tjoff 3y ago
    RPi zero2 just came out (I know, but you haven't been able to buy it until the summer of 2023). Though it is a massive improvement over the Zero.
• johndmcmaster 3y ago
  Now I need a BCM2712 to decap :)
• thomasfl 3y ago
  Watching the video, is like seeing a commercial for a PC many years ago. Only differences is the Raspberry's tiny size, small price and the few thousand times faster processor.
• hydroid7 3y ago
  I'm sad that there is no PR2040 PRU on board.
  • geerlingguy 3y ago
    The RP1 chip has some parts of the RP2040, though details are a little scarce. There are apparently some things you can do on RP1 when the main SoC is powered off, which leads me to believe outside of the main IO, you could do some interesting things with GPIO and/or CSI/DSI ports while the Pi is powered down (or in some sort of sleep-like state).
• snvzz 3y ago
  Sadly built on legacy ISA, still ARM instead of the open standard RISC-V. They wasted the opportunity to go RISC-V with Pi 5. I am surprised they still haven't figured out how to accept USB power with higher voltage than 5V. It'll thus continue to be a pain to power. Apparently it isn't all that efficient anymore as evident from their active cooler add-on. It looks like the performance will be similar to the incoming (was meant for release this summer but seems to be late) new SiFive RISC-V development board with P550 CPU.
  • surajrmal 3y ago
    There are a lot of good reasons to not jump the gun on riscv. You're not going to get the same performance for the same price point on riscv at the moment. A lot of the existing software ecosystem still hasn't been ported over to riscv either.
    • snvzz 3y ago
      There's no such thing as jumping the gun on RISC-V. If you're in the industry and not using RISC-V, you're already late relative to your peers. And you will be left behind should you drag. We will sadly have to watch it happen to Raspberry Pi 5.
      • surajrmal 3y ago
        risc-v isn't going to displace arm overnight. x86 still exists in the same markets it's always done well in despite over a decade of ARM trying to enter its markets. Raspberry Pi is doing the sane thing of delivering a good working product to its customers. It would have an interior product if it tried to do the same with risc-v.The fact there is no existing risc-v that comes close to competing with raspberry pi is evidence of this.
• technocrat8080 3y ago
  There goes building somewhat featureful toy kernels for your RPi
  • lproven 3y ago
    ... Why?
• futureshock 3y ago
  I think it’s notable that the chip powering the RP5 is built on a 16nm process. (The RP4 was on 26nm). This is a nearly 10 year old manufacturing process and it’s silly to compare the performance per watt to any Intel or Arm chip on the market today. On such an old node, it’s not surprising that the power draw is so high. Of course an M2 would smoke a RP5 at a much lower power. But the RP5 is 60 bucks!
  • moffkalast 3y ago
    Side note, lowering the process means smaller wires and more susceptibility to ESD. I've never vacuumed a Pi 4, but also haven't lost any to it in countless sketchy mounting points. That might change on the 5, GPUs built on 10 nm and lower just die if you touch them wrong.
    • bmicraft 3y ago
      GPIO is now connected to the RP1 I/O controller which is on a 40nm process, so that should actually be an improvement
  • TheMode 3y ago
    Is there any high end 5/7nm SBC? Phone chips don't seem to escape the phone market.
    • Matsta 3y ago
      Rockchip's rk3588 is on 8nm: https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/12/16/rockchip-rk3588-datasheet-sbc-coming-soon/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/12/16/rockchip-rk3588-data...
    • spatular 3y ago
      Orange Pi 5, "plus" version also has 2gen 1-lane pci-e (M.2 wifi), and 3gen 4-lane pci-e (M.2 SSD) and 2x2.5Gbit ethernet. 8nm, pretty power efficient. I've measured it to run at 0.7A@5V idle and 1.2A@5V with all 8 cores loaded with md5sum /dev/zero; iirc it had 1 ethernet connected, no other periphery. Running on Armbian.
• alexellisuk 3y ago
  Hi, I've been testing the RPi5 for a few weeks and have written up my results and benchmarks on Twitter. https://x.com/alexellisuk/status/1707296079849365650?s=20 https://x.com/alexellisuk/status/1707296079849365650?s=20 This is so much quicker for clusters, servers and headless use, that I don't think I'd consider buying any more RPi4s myself.
  • ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
    Are those results available anywhere else?
    • MilaM 3y ago
      My thought as well. I can only see one tweet, no replies. I'm guessing it's a thread, and you need to have an account to read the replies?
      • Fnoord 3y ago
        Replace x.com or twitter.com with nitter.net ie. [1] https://nitter.net/alexellisuk/status/1707296079849365650 https://nitter.net/alexellisuk/status/1707296079849365650
    • geerlingguy 3y ago
      I've posted separately some test data: https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/21 https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/21
  • justinclift 3y ago
    https://nitter.net/alexellisuk/status/1707296079849365650 https://nitter.net/alexellisuk/status/1707296079849365650
  • Fnoord 3y ago
    Good, then the price of second hand RPi4 will go down as it has been ridiculously expensive (even though I'm settled, still makes me happy for other people). I'll wait for a CM module before I consider to replace my CM4 fleet, but for now I am happy with my CM4 as it is. Although I admit the ability for native NVMe is attractive. Better I/O as well! Also, the RPi5 needs a better PSU so that is one thing to take into account. For people for whom a Raspberry Pi Zero 2 is good enough, they should opt for that instead. They're widely available and no longer ridiculous prices.
• renegat0x0 3y ago
  rpi4 was kind of slow for light desktop browsing in my experience, without overclocking. I kind of wonder how the new PI would work in that scenario. I used it with SSD drive, by USB.
• robshep 3y ago
  Anybody work out how to get audio from the 5?
• oblio 3y ago
  Would this be a good fit for a home media device? Think something that would be able to play Netflix 4k on a big screen TV (75").
• systemvoltage 3y ago
  I fundamentally have issues with Raspberry Pi brand. It markets itself as a “open source” company but it is anything but. Sure you can get pcb files, but the real stuff is the binary blobs for qualcomm processors. None of that stuff is open source. You can’t get a datasheet for it. So you’ve got a company that is taking advantage of OSS ecosystem’s reputation but returning nothing back. Treat it like any other company and I’m fine with it. Happy to buy their computers. Just like I’m fine with OpenAI admitting they’re anything but “Open”. Just be honest ffs.
  • nsteel 3y ago
    I don't think it does market itself that way. People seem to think it does, and want it, but I don't see that claim (or even the words "open source") on either the trading company or the charity About Us pages. Plenty of companies use OSS, nothing wrong with that. The idea they've returned nothing back is misplaced.
  • kanwisher 3y ago
    All their software and documentation is open source. The only closed source bits are stuff they don’t control from Broadcom. They are easily one of the best SBCs for documentation and continued linux support over time, you can use 5 year old boards with latest kernels
• filleokus 3y ago
  Hmm. I'm disappointed honestly, I was looking forward to USB-C with display port and "normal" USB-C power. Is there any reasonable option with software support that comes even close to what RPI offers? I don't want an SBC where I have to use some strange back ported, super old, kernel with little to no chance of getting updates. Maybe I should just go for an X86 board? Lattepanda Delta, or Khadas Mind whenever that's released. Not even that more expensive.
  • 654wak654 3y ago
    You could also get a framework laptop mainboard with a case: https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case
    • anaganisk 3y ago
      Isn't the link you posted, only for the case?
      • 654wak654 3y ago
        You can also buy mainboards[1] and expansion cards[2] (usb-c, hdmi etc.) from the same website. Depending on how beefy of a computer you want there are mainboards from 299 USD to 700 USD. So for ~500 USD you can get a very powerful tiny-ish computer. It obviously won't have the IO capabilities of pi-like hobby boards but it'll function great as a thin client for running linux / home automation stuff. [1]: https://frame.work/marketplace/mainboards https://frame.work/marketplace/mainboards [2]: https://frame.work/marketplace/expansion-cards https://frame.work/marketplace/expansion-cards
  • ThatPlayer 3y ago
    Pine64 makes SBCs with the same goal as their PinePhones to get mainline Linux on them. That effort expands to many boards that use the same SoC. So the rk3399 used in the PinePhone. Their newer board uses rk3588 which isn't completely mainlined yet. But I think these are the best bet for software support. https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/QuartzPro64_Development#Upstreaming_Status https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/QuartzPro64_Development#Upstrea...
• osti 3y ago
  Amazing benchmark results https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks https://www.phoronix.com/review/raspberry-pi-5-benchmarks
  • qhwudbebd 3y ago
    I was going to post to ask how it was likely to compare with the current crop of RK3588 boards that are marching towards decent mainline support, but this link already answers this to some extent. It looks like it's faster on some benchmarks, slower on others, but basically in a similar ballpark?
    • osti 3y ago
      Yeah, and these results are achieved on 4 cores instead of 7.
• drumhead 3y ago
  I'm genuinely more excited about this than any other hardware release this year. Pricing is getting a bit high though.
• JD557 3y ago
  From what I can tell, this is the first version without a composite video output, correct? It's a bit of a shame. What are the alternatives for someone who needs a computer connected to an old CRT TV? Are there other boards with composite video or does one need to get a HDMI->composite converter?
  • ChickeNES 3y ago
    no connector, but the signal is on the board with solder pads
  • avhon1 3y ago
    > We’ve removed the four-pole composite video and analogue audio jack from the board. Composite video, now generated by RP1, is still available from a pair of 0.1”-spaced pads on the bottom edge of the board. https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/
• birracerveza 3y ago
  This seems promising, hopefully it's not literal hot garbage like the 4. I loved the 3, but the 4 overheated even after patching it and using a dissipator for basically every workload...
• smartinson 3y ago
  wow, i just bought a new pi4 just because i was told there won’t be a pi5 in the near term… cool.
• qwertox 3y ago
  A NVMe compatible M.2 M Key connector (like the Rock 5 Model B [0] has) would have been really nice. I'm starting to accumulate old but good, yet small in storage space terms NVMe's which I'm no longer needing, but which would be perfect for a Raspi. Even if the PCIe bus were an older generation and not as performant as the NVMe. The microSD card slot is really great to have, to get up-and-running, but once it's clear which function the board will serve, being able to move over to a directly connected old NVMe would really be a benefit, also in terms of reliability. These microSD cards scare me, yet I make full use of them. Finally having a battery backed RTC on it is really great news. [0] https://wiki.radxa.com/Rock5/hardware/5b https://wiki.radxa.com/Rock5/hardware/5b
  • teamonkey 3y ago
    The blog post says they're releasing a M.2 hat in "early 2024"
    • mintplant 3y ago
      I don't love that you'll have to choose between PoE, M.2, or active cooling / a case.
      • danbee 3y ago
        You won't have to. They can all be stacked.
        • SparkyMcUnicorn 3y ago
          Would active cooling work underneath another hat?
          • mbreese 3y ago
            It looks like the M2 socket will be connected with a flexible ribbon, so it is possible that it could be mounted below.
• badtension 3y ago
  I wonder if anyone here is using RPi as a main PC? Seems to be capable of most office work with a bit of multimedia on the side. My laptop is dying and I would love to get something stationary that is low-power by default yet good enough so that the internet wouldn't lag. Mounted at the back of an LCD screen could make a nice wireless setup with the other peripherals.
  • throwaway2990 3y ago
    Na it’s too slow. I got one and I don’t touch it. I do also have an orange pi 5 and khandas edge 2 pro. Both are miles ahead of the rpi4 and based on specs they are miles ahead of the rpi5.
    • badtension 3y ago
      Are your other microcomputers capable of normal office operation?
      • throwaway2990 3y ago
        100%. I use them for development. One has ubuntu installed and the other Fedora.
        • alskdj21 3y ago
          Interesting. Can you give more details on your work? I've been on the edge lately over picking a desktop, an intel NUC or something like a Pi. Price to performance and power draw is something I'm considering.
          • throwaway2990 3y ago
            Both I run JetBrains IDEs on both to do c++, rust, and .net work. One device is for work and one for personal. https://www.khadas.com/edge2 https://www.khadas.com/edge2 https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Pi-Computer-Frequency-Android/dp/B0C9HWHZ88/ https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Pi-Computer-Frequency-Android/...
• whizzter 3y ago
  If the PCI-e bridge makes PI-powered home-NAS enclosures popular it'll probably squeeze the low-end networked NAS market quite a bit since they're usually powered by less powerful hardware (Arm/Celeron chips with 1-2 gb of mem). Been looking at some compact/silent replacement for my aging home-server and NAS boxes were at the top of the list but the CPUs were crap or prices high, and everyone was shipping their own weird linux-based distros. Knowing that it'll be likely that software will work on a Raspberry and these hardware specs then it looks like a contender now.
• rado 3y ago
  Smaller form factor, but same price as a second hand ThinkCentre Tiny, a complete, powerful, and extensible PC.
• mz1082 3y ago
  exciting new model release, and wish to see RPI Zero 3W with bigger memory!!
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• Havoc 3y ago
  Nice to see a new generation but frankly a little underwhelmed. I’d rather spend more for an orange pi plus. Different price class but worth it here. Integrated M2, 16gb ram, newer processor node, and much higher scores on benchmarks
• glimshe 3y ago
  Rasbperry Pis are losing their competitive edge for non-embedded applications to sub $150 mini PCs, which support Linux/Windows and will come with enclosure, NVMe slot, power button etc. The mini PCs are also generally much faster.
  • chalsprhebaodu 3y ago
    Where can I find these mini PCs? I am trying to find hardware for an upcoming project and I’m considering the Pi but would love to see some alternatives.
    • alskdj21 3y ago
      You can check some Beelinks or some other Chinese brands over Amazon. Note that I haven't used any of them tho I'm considering getting one.
      • zimpenfish 3y ago
        Main home server/NAS is a Ryzen 7 Beelink with 64GB. Works a treat. Fan is audible when you're hammering the CPU (doing a large backup, unpacking downloaded media, running a Minecraft server with multiple users) but other than that it's not audible from ~5ft away.
        • nyadesu 3y ago
          This, I've been pretty happy with it as well, it's so much easier to set up as a kubernetes node than a RPi.
      • doubled112 3y ago
        I've been fairly impressed by a couple of Beelinks Mini S12 I purchased a couple of weeks back. Intel N95 CPU, 16 GB RAM, 500GB NVMe. More than enough for checking email. One was immediately wiped and I installed Debian 12. The other was wiped and I installed Windows 10 Pro. Both seemed to just work. Hard to beat for less than $200 CAD.
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• datadeft 3y ago
  Active cooling is not an option for me. I use RPI exactly for the reason it does not require active cooling.
  • TheChaplain 3y ago
    But it says that active cooling is only necessary for heavy workload, if you're fine with that then no fan required.
    • Redoubts 3y ago
      sure, but why pay money for functionality you're just gonna turn off (components, higher clock speed)
      • wpm 3y ago
        Phoronix tested the Pi 5 with and without the official heatsink, and without it peaked at around 90C (same temp my Intel Mac Mini from 2018 likes to hover around) and never throttled during benchmarks. You don't need to downclock, undervolt, or turn anything off to run fanless.
  • lonjil 3y ago
    It's more energy efficient than the RPi4, so you should be fine if you're doing fine with any of their older products?
• Chatting 3y ago
  I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/21/23520400/raspberry-pi-5-release-date-pandemic-supply-chain-constraints-delay-eben-upton-ceo https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/21/23520400/raspberry-pi-5-...
  • teamonkey 3y ago
    Quite possibly they weren’t expecting to be ready to launch in 2023 but the design/supply/capacity issues were resolved quicker than expected.
  • lonjil 3y ago
    It may be that whatever is currently bottlenecking RPi4 production isn't relevant to RPi5.
    • cameron_b 3y ago
      The RP1 I/O custom silicon hints that this may be the case
    • a_paddy 3y ago
      Through hole components resulted in previous Pi's being slightly slower to manufacture, the Pi5 only uses surface mount components which should increase Sony's build cadence.
      • tpmx 3y ago
        The bottleneck has been component availability ("supply chain"), not manufacturing.
        • cdt5050 3y ago
• nottorp 3y ago
  “Raspberry Pi Active Cooler” Id like a low power model too please. Also a m.2 slot, even sata would be much better than the sd cards.
• JansjoFromIkea 3y ago
  Were there any issues with the first wave of Pi 4 that would make it a smart move to hold off on ordering one for a few months?
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  • ThatPlayer 3y ago
    I remember them leaving out some resistors for the USB C port that were needed for some chargers or cables. Wasn't too big a deal if you just used their official power supplies. https://www.scorpia.co.uk/2019/06/28/pi4-not-working-with-some-chargers-or-why-you-need-two-cc-resistors/ https://www.scorpia.co.uk/2019/06/28/pi4-not-working-with-so...
• lynguist 3y ago
  Question to the raspberry enthusiasts: Does anyone know if I can reliably extend a Raspberry Pi with an additional Gbit Ethernet port?
  • eulgro 3y ago
    With a USB 3.0 port and a USB-to-Ethernet adapter you should be able to. Not all adapters support 1 Gbps but with USB 3.0 it's definitely possible.
    • rjsw 3y ago
      I'm getting close to line speed with a USB 3.0 Ethernet adapter plugged into a laptop, so the adapter itself shouldn't be the bottleneck. I get 109KB/s ftp transfers to a NVMe drive.
• kristianpaul 3y ago
  I was expecting both 16G and 24G models
• elforce002 3y ago
  They need to deal with manufacturing and availability too. I wanted to buy a couple of RPIs to help schools across LATAM and it had been a nightmare from pricing to shipping. I'm exploring other rpi alternatives since it feels like they don't care anymore.
• michaeltimo 3y ago
  For me the advantage of Raspberry pi was passive cooling without worrying about any moving objects and running 24/7. Being affordable was another clear advantage. These two does not apply here anymore. I might be wrong but buying a used mini pc like Nuc or SFF PCs seems to be more reasonable than buying a 80$ SBC + Case and adapter costs.
  • rerdavies 3y ago
    I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure these are significantly more performant than a used mini PC.
  • fanf2 3y ago
    You can still buy older versions of the Raspberry Pi if you don’t need the performance of the newer ones.
• rajnathani 3y ago
  There’s no NPU in it? That’s really surprising, I mean nowadays even Arm offers NPU IP via Ethos.
• johncole 3y ago
  Their real problem has been supply chain. Custom silicon doesn't seem to be heading in the right direction.
  • mkj 3y ago
    The rp2040 was their first foray into custom silicon and has been completely unaffected by supply chain issues. In that case they ordered 10 million chip dies (dice?), I guess it might be similar here. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-10-million-rp2040s https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-10-million-rp...
• kotaKat 3y ago
  ... They really love being in charge of the cabal that sells HDMI dongles, don't they? Mini/microHDMI are terrible for video and just not mechanically robust. :\
• capableweb 3y ago
  So with this PCIe 2.0 x1 port, would I be able to connect a GPU to this Raspberry? Would be very useful, even if the bandwidth would be horrible.
  • _ea1k 3y ago
    It has been attempted with the pi 4. I'm guessing it would be possible with the right drivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dItRUjQ0k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dItRUjQ0k
• alangibson 3y ago
  I'd love it if SBC manufacturers would announce their software support along with new hardware specs. I'm using a Pi 4 in a CNC plasma cutter solely because they have the only working realtime Linux PREEMPT_RT build I could find. I would love to use the Odroid N2+ but their ancient realtime branch won't even boot.
• HALtheWise 3y ago
  Given that they made custom silicon for the IO module, I'm disappointed that they didn't include a couple PIO cores in there. It would've been great to be able to use the GPIO pins to drive serial LEDs, as extra uart peripherals, or for any of the numerous other things people have developed for the RP2040 PIO.
  • fanf2 3y ago
    The RP1 has one PIO core (4 state machines) https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/#comment-1594112 https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/...
    • undersuit 3y ago
      This RP1 chip has so many surprises.
      • BHSPitMonkey 3y ago
        If it was good enough for the Saturn V, it's good enough for me!
  • HALtheWise 3y ago
    I stand corrected!
• 1-6 3y ago
  At this point, Alder Lakes like N100 processors and multiple sff computers have dominated the market while RPI struggled with the supply chain. now there are multiple clones as well. I’m not sure if The Pi5 will ever reach former glory days.
• tzs 3y ago
  I'd like to see an RPi that includes an Arduino (or maybe an ESP32) on board, with some way to easily connect things to that Arduino's GPIO pins, and with the Arduino programmable and controllable from the RPi. This would let you run things that need real time GPIO access and real time interrupt handlings on the Arduino, and would also give you DAC and ADC.
  • fanf2 3y ago
    The RP1 has two Cortex M3 cores and a PIO core, and is responsible for the GPIO pins. So I think it already has something close to what you want.
    • lonjil 3y ago
      I can't find anything about the RP1 online, do you have a source?
      • fanf2 3y ago
        https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/#comment-1594112 https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/... There are a good few nuggets of gold from Raspberry Pi engineers in the comments on the announcement blog post
• jauntywundrkind 3y ago
  This happened a lot sooner than I would have guessed! I thought the 4 was gonna get milked for many more years. It'll still be around no doubt but the speed bump is appreciated. Interesting to see the emergence of a southbridge chip in SBC land. RPI4 using a Via USB3 controller and a dedicated Broadcom ethernet chip is somewhat against the grain of most embedded chips, which tend to have all this io on package. Here Broadcom now has a single chip that bundles a bunch of the io needs together, and takes back the business from Via, which is a tailored step forward to combine functions. But it's still a secondary chip, which is fairly unusual. On the upside, it means less pins on the main core. And it physically helps fan out the io, can be placed closer to io connectors. I went looking for a chip identification for RPI4, but didn't find it; I'm curious whether old chips had discrete PHY or whether they were builtin, and what the situation is with the new southbridge.
  • fanf2 3y ago
    Around the start of this year they were saying the Raspberry Pi 5 would be released next year, so it’s about a quarter or two earlier than previously expected. Part of the reason for the separate IO chip is that it can use an older silicon process (40nm) than the main chip (16nm) which makes it easier to have robust GPIO pins.
• api 3y ago
  AES acceleration, finally. Lack of that made the Pi 4 not great for some applications like fileservers if TLS is in use or some VPN/mesh protocols.
• impalallama 3y ago
  Surprised by the amount of negativity here. So many comments that are saying the raspberry pi isn't competitive in their market anymore and then post more locked down less open systems at 2x the price.
  • teamonkey 3y ago
    Same as the people on Reddit claiming that Raspberry Pi has killed itself as a business because it's constantly in such high demand that it's always sold out.
    • tedivm 3y ago
      They're claiming that they've killed themselves as a business hobbyists, which isn't exactly wrong. During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market. At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer base than they did five years ago. Also as a company their social media people really are assholes, which doesn't help at all.
      • LeafItAlone 3y ago
        > At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer base than they did five years ago. FWIW the communities I participate in are still RPI focused and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone using an odroid. > Also as a company their social media people really are assholes, which doesn't help at all. This is something I’m somehow unaware of (I avoid general social media); what do you mean?
      • justin66 3y ago
        > At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). Some small fraction of one percent of "the hobbyist community" has done as you've suggested. You're in some kind of odroid bubble.
• spywaregorilla 3y ago
  Hey, I'm not really savvy with hardware. I wanted to use a pi4 to be my home TV controller to stream content to a TV or projector. A long time ago I saw this appear: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26495719 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26495719 And it seemed to sort of work but not quite enough. There were stutters in the content streamed and strange clicks in the audio. Will this new one be enough? Was that even the likely limiting factor?
  • agloe_dreams 3y ago
    Honestly? You can get a business mini PC with better performance and software support for less than a Pi4/5
    • ycuser2 3y ago
      Yes, but consider the energy consumption.
      • agloe_dreams 3y ago
        In context, it isn't awful. You can get a J4125 machine in that price range often times and that is not far at all from a Pi5.
  • NortySpock 3y ago
    In my experience my Raspberry Pi 3, running Kodi, was able to keep up with a 720p MPEG2 stream as long as I had no network hiccups. Not sure what file format your Raspberry Pi is trying to transcode from though.
    • spywaregorilla 3y ago
      I very much want to just run through a familiar browser interface with a mouse and keyboard and use netflix and sflix and what not.
• piotrke 3y ago
  Are there any plans for Pi 5 16GB?
• nfriedly 3y ago
  A number of vendors seem to only be showing 4GB and 8GB units for $60 and $80, but https://vilros.com/collections/raspberry-pi-5/products/raspberry-pi-5 https://vilros.com/collections/raspberry-pi-5/products/raspb... has 1GB and 2GB variants for $40 and $50 respectively. https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/ says "LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM (4GB and 8GB SKUs available at launch)" so maybe the cheaper ones will be coming at a later date? Unrelated to that, the addition of a power button seems like a significant improvement over previous models.
  • rasz 3y ago
    Cant wait for first 2 to 8 GB ram swap hack. Power button is nice, but implementation in custom PMIC once again means its unrepairable https://hackaday.com/2023/03/24/dead-raspberry-pi-boards-pmics-and-new-hope/ https://hackaday.com/2023/03/24/dead-raspberry-pi-boards-pmi...
  • sixothree 3y ago
    How cow! You can buy them?!
    • nfriedly 3y ago
      Not yet, but you can pre-order them from some vendors. The 4 and 8gb models should ship in October. FWIW, the Pi 4 and Pi Zero W are both fairly available these days. The Zero 2 W is still in short supply, but aside from that, the shortage is basically over.
      • sixothree 3y ago
        Regardless, this represents a huge shift in strategy!
      • sixothree 3y ago
        BTW I jest, but thank you for the info.
  • foresto 3y ago
• epx 3y ago
  I want a dirt-cheap Zero (if possible one that does not need an SD card), not something that tries unsuccesfully displace a NUC :(
• NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  Nice. Now, if I could just get an M.2 board for an Intel Edison (I have a few DOS games I want to emulate, but the Pi4 still isn't quite powerful enough for).
• nfriedly 3y ago
  Damn, even Raspberry Pi removed the headphones jack!
  • spacechild1 3y ago
    To be fair, the analog output of the RPi delivers a crappy low-pass filtered 11-bit PWM signal. Even the cheapest USB audio adapter will give you a better signal. (Personally, I have been quite happy with https://www.pollin.at/p/logilink-usb-2-0-5-1-audiocontroller-720945 https://www.pollin.at/p/logilink-usb-2-0-5-1-audiocontroller...)
    • nfriedly 3y ago
      Yeah, you're not wrong. I more disappointment with the general trend rather than this specific instance; phones and tablets are where I miss it the most. With Raspberry Pi's specifically, although I have used the headphones jack to connect speakers, I generally use either HDMI audio, or else I just don't have any audio connected.
    • garaetjjte 3y ago
      They implemented sigma-delta driver on VPU few years back: https://forums.raspberrypi.com//viewtopic.php?f=29&t=195178 https://forums.raspberrypi.com//viewtopic.php?f=29&t=195178
      • spacechild1 3y ago
        Thanks, I didn't know that!
• phamilton4 3y ago
  Damn, I was hoping the old PoE hats would continue to work with this one. Looks like the PoE pins have moved around. Another 20+ USD on top of the board cost... Kinda disappointing, but the upgraded SD speeds will be nice. Was also hoping they'd boost the core count or memory for some models, I know it's kinda against their targeted group, but would have been nice to have the options
• synergy20 3y ago
  I somehow feel RPi5 is getting out of my "small fanless SBC" comfort zone, for embedded projects and products, RPi4 is more than enough for my needs, though I like its RTC and power button.
  • Narishma 3y ago
    You can just use the Pi 5 without a fan and it will still be faster and more energy efficient than a Pi 4.
    • synergy20 3y ago
      good point, wait for the pricing info, esp 1GB and 2GB.
• bpye 3y ago
  I see that the PR against the Raspberry Pi linux repo is out [0]. Interestingly they are introducing a BCM2712 defconfig with a 64k default page size. From the device tree [1] it looks like they've rolled their own IOMMU rather than using ARM's SMMU which is annoying. [0] - https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/pull/5618 https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/pull/5618 [1] - https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/9c75e5408c01cb7c6582200ce0f888c25d54626e/arch/arm/boot/dts/bcm2712.dtsi#L865C4-L894 https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/9c75e5408c01cb7c65...
  • fanf2 3y ago
    Interesting. Did the earlier Raspberry Pi Broadcom SOCs not have an IOMMU? If they did I would have expected the 5 to be compatible with older ones.
    • bpye 3y ago
      I'm fairly sure that none of the earlier SoCs had an IOMMU. It's of course possible that there was one hidden in the GPU or something, but nothing on the CPU side.
      • proompter5 3y ago
        What would be the benefit of having their own IOMMU instead of just using the ARM SMMU?
• bastard_op 3y ago
  I suspect the speculator and reseller markets are already abuzz with figuring out how to stockpile and control the distribution like they did during the pandemic and various video game releases. This ought to be fun to watch.
• dingi 3y ago
  I don't see any good reason to buy raspberry pi over something like this mini pc[1] anymore. For $100ish, you get 8g RAM/256g nvme/intel N95. Not mention the wonderful software support. 1. https://a.aliexpress.com/_mt4AHVM https://a.aliexpress.com/_mt4AHVM
• senorrib 3y ago
  Gosh darn it! Just bought four model 4.
• aloer 3y ago
  5v/5A seems weird. Can normal power supplies even deliver this? One of the big benefits of rpi has always been to reuse power adapters and isn’t that all PD standard today? Higher wattage PD chargers and powerbanks that I have here all work with voltages of 9/12/15 at 3A and 20V at up to 5A
  • jandrese 3y ago
    USB-C chargers do this all the time. People run notebook computers off of USB-C. A quick Google search suggests they aren't hard to find: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Type-C-Such-Phones-Charger-Charger-As-25W-Wall-for-Smart-Fast-Devices-PD-Laptops-Cable-Charger/3928313977 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Type-C-Such-Phones-Charger-Charge...
    • GeorgeHahn 3y ago
      That doesn't fit the bill: > Output voltage (four charging modes): PDO DC5.0V-3.0A or 9.0V-2.77A PPS 3.3-5.9V-3A or 3.3-11.0V-2.24A 5V output at 5A is pretty unusual.
  • crote 3y ago
    No, it is not part of the USB PD specifications, and the Pi 5 is therefore not PD compliant. The PD specs require a 25W device to operate at 9V 2.8A. A 25W charger is still allowed to offer 5V 5A and a 25W device is still allowed to prefer it when offered, but it is not allowed to require it. To make it even worse: at no wattage are chargers required to offer 5V 5A. Even a 100W one (which is required to offer 20V 5A) does not need to offer it, and it is 100% PD compliant if it only offers [5V 3A, 9V 3A, 15V 3A, 20V 5A].
• azinman2 3y ago
  I wonder how does this in CPU performance compare to the new Jetson Orin Nano? I’d love to find something low power that can be a nice little home server to host various projects. Mac Minis might be the best perf/watt but they’re still coming in pretty expensive in comparison.
• alana314 3y ago
  I wish it had onboard storage, SD cards have failed on me
• lakomen 3y ago
  Quanta costa?
• mikewarot 3y ago
  It's sad that a 5 volt powered device can't natively talk to the entire world of 5 volt logic peripherals.
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• raytopia 3y ago
  I've had this idea for a while now but what if someone built a game console based on the Pi hardware? I know lots of people use their pi's for retro gaming but I'd really like to see some new games made for the hardware. Does anyone know if there's a group working on this or would be interested in creating one?
  • mattherman 3y ago
    You can run PICO-8 on a Raspberry Pi today. Still a "retro" feel, but they are all new games being written for the platform. https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?tid=3085 https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?tid=3085
    • raytopia 3y ago
      PICO-8 is awesome! But I'm thinking of something that moves into a more real console category.
  • reedlaw 3y ago
    It would likely be similar to gaming on Linux but with the limitations of ARM-only and OpenGL ES 3.1 or Vulkan 1.2. [1] What would be more interesting is an open source micro-kernel and gaming SDK targeting Raspberry Pi. 1. See https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_Linux_ARM_games https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_Linux_ARM_games
    • raytopia 3y ago
      I think it could avoid some of the issues with gaming on linux because you could focus in on a unified platform and if there was a gaming SDK targeting the pi we might see orginal games being made as opposed to just ports. Also what exactly would a micro-kernel entail? I'm much more familiar with game development than os development.
      • reedlaw 3y ago
        Most Raspberry Pi Linux distros take around 10 seconds to boot. It can be made faster by using a tiny distribution or something like https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ but it would be nice to find an OS geared towards gaming.
• dustfinger 3y ago
  I don't seem to see any mention of video RAM. How much memory does the GPU have?
  • thamer 3y ago
    The VideoCore VII GPU does not have its own VRAM, it's only a compute chip. From the Hackster.io review[1]: > The chip also features a new Broadcom Videocore-VII graphics processor running at up to 800MHz, and is linked to the buyer's choice of 4GB or 8GB of LPDDR4x memory. https://www.hackster.io/news/raspberry-pi-5-review-hands-on-with-the-most-powerful-raspberry-pi-yet-57efaf61b10f https://www.hackster.io/news/raspberry-pi-5-review-hands-on-...
• gdevenyi 3y ago
  Cool. Another raspberry pi I can't find in stock anywhere
• jlarcombe 3y ago
  I know this will sound like a whinge but it's really a shame they removed the audio jack, it was so useful for simple sound/music projects.
  • poglet 3y ago
    So if you need 3.5mm output you need to buy some accessory? That's disappointing - reminds me of what happened with phones.
    • jlarcombe 3y ago
      i still won't buy a phone without one! i wonder how long i'll be able to hold out...
  • andrewstuart 3y ago
    Removed the audio jack, what the? That's a fundamental misunderstanding by the hardware designers of what Raspberry pi is. Raspberry Pi has jumped the shark.
    • squarefoot 3y ago
      The audio output from all Raspberry Pis has always been crap, to the point anyone looking for decent quality would have been forced to use an external DAC anyway, so not a big loss here, although stopping that PWM audio generation nonsense and adding the DAC into the CPU would have been the right thing to do.
    • gsich 3y ago
      No. The pins are still there. My guess is most peole don't have a need for it.
  • danbee 3y ago
    The audio jack on Raspberry Pi's has always been terrible quality anyway. Ok in a pinch but it's not a huge loss. If you want quality analog output from a Pi you need a DAC hat.
• phkahler 3y ago
  Will it run Wayland?
  • m01 3y ago
    yes, according to [1] > A newer, better Raspberry Pi OS > [...] This is based on the most recent release of Debian (and its derivative Raspbian), codenamed “Bookworm”, and incorporates numerous enhancements, notably the transition from X11 to the Wayfire Wayland compositor on Raspberry Pi 4 and 5. [1] https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/
• hoherd 3y ago
  When the 4 came out, lots of people wished that power + video would be provided over the same port, just like we expect with almost every modern laptop. Does that exist on the Raspberry Pi 5? Hopefully I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like it, which would be a shame.
• puzzlingcaptcha 3y ago
  So they finally splurged for ARM crypto extensions huh.
• pheasant3 3y ago
  from the product brief: "Raspberry Pi 5 will remain in production until at least January 2035" LOL
• barney54 3y ago
  Is it even possible to buy a Pi 4? I’ve looked multiple times and never found them for sale.
  • keyboard_smash 3y ago
    Assuming you’re in the US, rpilocator[1] has them available at Digikey, Chicago Electronics Distributors, and Adafruit… [1] https://rpilocator.com/?country=US https://rpilocator.com/?country=US
• lofaszvanitt 3y ago
  Does the main SOC still has wifi/bt integrated?
• nathan_f77 3y ago
  Great! I'm looking forward to getting a few of these. I currently have five Raspberry Pis running in my house, mainly for dashboards: * Zigbee2MQTT in a closet in the middle of the house * FullPageOS [1] dashboards on the bedroom TV, living room TV, and a screen in my office * RetroPie running emulators and video screensaver on an old CRT TV in my workshop It would be nice to make all of these a little bit faster. [1] https://github.com/guysoft/FullPageOS https://github.com/guysoft/FullPageOS
  • jesseryoung 3y ago
    Thank you for FullPageOS. I was thinking of building something for a project I had. This will save me tons of time!
• jamesdhutton 3y ago
  I am curious to know how people here use their RPIs today, and how the RPI5 might help. I have had a model 3 for many years, which I enjoy tinkering with from time to time. I still haven't gotten over the novelty of having such small, cheap computer that runs Linux and does a pretty good job of it. That said, all I do is tinker with it. I turn it on, write a bit of code, marvel that the code runs, and turn it off. I've bought a couple of hats which are fun too, but again it's just tinkering. I'm curious to know who here has found "serious" applications for their RPis.
  • xahrepap 3y ago
    I use one for each of the following. None of which I think are terribly novel anymore: - Octopi - PiHole - Grafana/Prometheus for my local network (I push Speedtest results, ping results, among other things to it) - home-made SNES/NES minis I’m excited to try using the new Pi for a more comprehensive option for a retro arcade including many games that didn’t run very well for me last time I tried. (I instead used a home-built small PC)
  • zamadatix 3y ago
    I've been using one for https://pikvm.org/ https://pikvm.org/ and it's been a rare case of "the Raspberry Pi is neither ridiculously overpowered, ridiculously underpowered, or even beat out by any off the shelf solution at all let alone at the same price or point". It's literally the best IP KVM I've ever used or owned. The use case is almost a perfect match for the exact hardware capabilities of the Pi: hardware encoding, video input, gigabit network (with Wi-Fi alternative, which has saved me a few times), GPIO, USB OTG, the hat system, open source web KVM software which doesn't suck ass and sit untouched for 13 years with endless security vulnerabilities piling up.
  • keyboard_smash 3y ago
    I’ve got one of mine showing album art for music I’m playing[1], one with an e-ink display that shows which subways are leaving soon near me, one running Homebridge for a variety of sensors[2], one for WireGuard and Pi-Hole, and one to run Klipper/Mainsail for my 3D printer. I guess these are all tinkering as well but they’ve basically been running 24/7 for a few years now! [1] https://github.com/aaronhktan/rpi-albumart https://github.com/aaronhktan/rpi-albumart [2] https://github.com/aaronhktan/vesta https://github.com/aaronhktan/vesta
• MR4D 3y ago
  > PCIe 2.0 x1 interface Bummer. That just killed my need for a new one. Also, if those are micro-USB ports then they have ignored everything that happened since 2020.
  • Liquid_Fire 3y ago
    Are you talking about the micro-HDMI ports? Because the USB ports in the pictures are fairly clearly USB-A, except for the power which is USB-C.
    • MR4D 3y ago
      Ah! Thought those were micro-USB. Thanks!
• duck 3y ago
  The question is - will they actually ever be in stock??
• barsonme 3y ago
  Did they implement ARM’s cryptography instructions?
  • proompter5 3y ago
    Yes: https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/5-surprising-features-of-raspberry-pi-5/ https://picockpit.com/raspberry-pi/5-surprising-features-of-...
• bullen 3y ago
  The biggest misstake is to not upgrade the GPU further. The competition has always been the Jetson Nano. Vision Five 2 is now my favourite passively coolable SBC.
• column 3y ago
  What killed my interest in the Pi 4 was the need for a rather loud fan. Anybody got a solution for a quiet/silent Pi ?
  • illwrks 3y ago
    You've probably got the fan setup incorrectly, or the fan needs to be replaced. Once booted the fan speed should drop to s normal inaudible level.
• jeffybefffy519 3y ago
  I reckon it must be really hard to keep the raspberry pi relevant. Theres so much competition in this space and the user support/documentation gap must be closing now which has always been the pi’s edge.
• rldjbpin 3y ago
  as someone who did not upgrade for like a decade, now i feel like i can get on in early and benefit from leaps and bounds of an upgrade! however, this offering is not really aligned with the foundation started out with imo. their decisions with the changes does not seem to satisfy the answer to "how will this promote computer science among kids?" for the most part. i feel like the original mission is now relegated to the pi zero w, but it requires soldering for working with gpio so it leaves a lot of room for the hardware side of tinkering. i am also curious about the m.2 hat and whether it can work with old sata ssd that match the format? otherwise old external hard drives might be a good alternative for relatively reliable long-term operation for now.
• ceving 3y ago
  I hope this will play videos without coughing. I tried hard with the Pi4, but in the end I gave up using it as a desktop computer.
• gsich 3y ago
  No USB PD. 5V 5A is a complete shitshow in terms of cables needed, losses and other stuff. Even 3A is insane.
• oliverpk 3y ago
  Probably going to keep using RP4 model, as I don't use it to do anything performance heavy, but it's good to know that there is an upgrade available.
• hkgjjgjfjfjfjf 3y ago
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• pm2222 3y ago
  Gpio is about the only thing rpi shines. Other than that x86 minipc is so much better these days
• stefcoetzee 3y ago
  Video is like something Apple would make. Props on the high production quality!
• op00to 3y ago
  The one thing the RPi needs that it doesn’t have is some sort of lights out management.