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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone
- sdze 4y agoWho repairs a 180€ phone that is slow out of the box with an old version of Android?
- gt565k 4y agoXDA developers will make a rom and I’m sure it will be a popular phone in that community to the point where open source devs will port latest android updates for a while.
- flatiron 4y agoIs the boot loader unlocked? I didn’t see that mentioned.
- pcdoodle 4y agoSweet, $44 for an OEM screen is pretty good. Thank you Nokia. If there's a de-google option, this would be the best. EDIT: 3.5mm headphone jack too! Wow.
- behnamoh 4y agoI had the worst customer support by Nokia. Purchased a Nokia 7 Plus in another country. The phone had a design issue which resulted in loose USB C port. Many people reported the same problem online. When I was back in the US, I tried reaching out to Nokia support and they literally said their repair center won’t even accept my phone for repair because I had purchased it in another country! Third party repair shops told me it takes $100 to fix the USB C port, almost 1/3 the phone price. Needless to say I didn’t do that and the phone died shortly after only because it couldn’t get charged anymore. Switched to other brands and will never buy Nokia again.
- dogma1138 4y agoNot they haven’t this phone isn’t anymore repairable than an iPhone it might be just a bit more serviceable. Users can’t do board or component level repairs, and Nokia isn’t making schematics, diagnostic software and access to low level firmware that will be needed to independently repair this phone available. User replaceable battery is nice, however every other component is reliant on a supply on parts being made available for the long run which is unlikely to happen since there will never be a healthy supply chain for niche devices. I’ve serviced multiple iPhones replacing a battery and broken screens with no equipment other than what came in the kit (and an hair dryer) and not the Apple one. Yes it’s a PITA but honestly they open easily with a hair dryer and a suction cup. What is far more important on the “right to repair” front is long term software support which the lack of bricks far more devices than any hardware failures, a healthy supply chain and not DRMing components. The former 2 is something that iFixIt always seems to ignore especially the first one the latter is something I that should be the focus of RtR legislation together with a guarantee for parts being made available for a period of X years from when the devices officially stop being sold just in the same way that car manufacturers and in the past appliance manufacturers were forced to.
- ali7388 4y agoUsers can order cheap parts from china just fine. The problem is with manufacturers. Encrypting parts, so simple part swap does not work. Or replacement screen for $300... Apple is really really bad when it comes to repairability!
- dogma1138 4y agoUsers can if there is a supply chain for them. Apple isn’t that bad, and being able to find parts for 10 year old devices and actually having nearly a decade of software support makes up for it. Ofc it would be better if they didn’t lock down parts further at least the screen and battery aren’t locked down yet. I replaced a screen on an iPhone XS not even a month ago with a £30 kit from Amazon that came with everything needed including a new liquid protection seal. Apple should definitely get flack what what they do but this pathetic attempt is just that pathetic this isn’t a way forward in any practical manner. If you really think you’ll be able to find parts for this phone in 5 years then well I got a bridge to sell you. And not for nothing it will turn into a paper weight after the 3 years of software support period will be over.
- zamnos 4y ago"Encrypting" parts also has to do with the black market for iPhones. If you steal someone's iPhone, they can brick it remotely, so you can't just resell it as a whole working device, so you part it out to a shady cell phone repair store who will reuse the parts and give you like fifty bucks so you can score your next bag of drugs. By embedding serial numbers on the parts, Apple stops this and makes the parts unusable, driving down the value of a stolen iPhone.
- qball 4y ago>driving down the value of a stolen iPhone And driving up the cost of repairs. If I want to turn off the thing that bricks the identification features, there's no technical reason why I shouldn't be able to do that- my device follows my orders, not the other way around.
- gandalfian 4y agoShame no compass or gyroscope, both of which I value. I hope the idea catches on though the toolkit looks suspiciously like ever other mobiles. Lift screen with sucker while prying with pick. Then unscrew battery and admittedly wrestle with glue... Still a way from the old fashioned, pop off the plastic back and lift the battery straight out in 20 seconds.
- baybal2 4y agoI worked for a client in 2019 which wanted to make something similar to what Nokia is doing now. They wanted a barebones, no effort to catch up to top competitor phone, with more practicality, and everyday convenience in mind than putting in 10ghz CPU inside a phone. We went for a year, and bang... Google probably seen client's PR, and banned Android phones without a superfluous gycoscope/accelerometer/etc stuff. We spent close to year on it. I was fuming.
- paulmd 4y agoIn fairness though I had an android phone from 2014 with no gyroscope and it was a problem. Accelerometer, gyro, and GPS are all complimentary features that are used to keep each other calibrated. That phone was absolutely terrible in cities (NYC and LA) because the GPS would get confused by GPS signals echoing off skyscrapers, and all of a sudden it decides you're randomly bouncing around 1/4 mile going random speeds and directions. Navigation was unusable in dense cities. Going without a gyro or accelerometer is fine under normal conditions because you've got 2-of-3 so you can synthesize the output from the remaining sensor (my phone had synthetic gyro). But once you lose GPS fix you've lost your last degree-of-freedom and the only remaining sensor is the accelerometer, at which point the system goes into gimbal lock and the platform loses its fix.
- donutshop 4y agoIf GrapheneOS could support this phone that would be a killer combo.
- CameronNemo 4y agoThis depends on the phone having an unlockable/relockable bootloader.
- cristiioan 4y agoI don't think Graphene OS will support anything else than Pixels and posibily in the future a custom phone made for Graphene OS[https://www.androidpolice.com/graphene-os-phone/ https://www.androidpolice.com/graphene-os-phone/]
- solarkraft 4y agoI'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are plenty repairable, being made for the indian market, and have good community software support. The real next innovation for an Android device maker will be providing at least 5 years of updates (I'm well aware of the challenges involved, but these are not that hard, make it so).
- xigency 4y ago> 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. Saying an iPhone can handle 8 generations of iOS updates is a bigger joke. I’m a cheapskate that somehow uses Apple phones, and I’ll let you know after 2-3 major OS updates the performance is always severely diminished.
- mortenjorck 4y agoThis was very much the case a decade ago, when using an iPhone 3GS was a real slog by year 3 or 4, but is anyone still having those problems today? My daily driver is a 2018 iPhone XS, and it’s about as snappy with iOS 16 as I remember it being straight out of the box.
- dmix 4y agoMy dad uses a 5yr old iPhone X and it runs perfectly fine with the latest software updates. The baseline CPU (and RAM) quality has improved dramatically since around then where it's not a big deal to upgrade. Or maybe the software has matured enough. My mom had a 3yr old mid-teir Samsung phone and tablet (combo deals they always sell) they both became unusable when it upgraded to the latest version of Samsung basterdized Android 2 months ago. But I'm sure Pixels are more similar to iPhone. Sadly most Android come with vendor crippled software. Maybe the >2yr crippling is the goal for them.
- BirAdam 4y agoAs other have noted, the lack of updates and locked boot loader make this a no go, but the state of fully open-source, non-Android phones OSs is likewise abysmal. As such, leaving the iPhone isn’t going to happen for me. I’m still using my iPhone 11, and it’s still nice and speedy, the battery is fine, it gets updates quickly, and generally doesn’t annoy me too much. If the PinePhone or PinePhone Pro had a solid, fully functional, open source, non-Android operating system that was also good with power management… I would switch without hesitation. That’s just a super high bar, and I don’t expect anyone to actually pull it off any time soon.
- Moldoteck 4y agoWhat do you think about fairphone 4? According to web, it supports: Fairphone OS CalyxOS DivestOS /e/OS (Murena) iodéOS LeOS LineageOS postmarketOS Ubuntu Touch
- kitsunesoba 4y agoFairphone isn’t and probably won’t be available in North America, sadly.
- toastal 4y agoThey also dropped the headphone jack on v4 like other flagship phones.
- dadoomer 4y agoI'm curious on why you think this. I really would buy one as my next phone.
- kitsunesoba 4y agoSee this forum post: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/can-i-buy-the-fairphone-4-in-the-u-s/76685/9 https://forum.fairphone.com/t/can-i-buy-the-fairphone-4-in-t... Previous versions of the Fairphone also weren't available in the US due to as I understand it hurdles posed by FCC approval (and I would assume the Canadian equivalent).
- mrtksn 4y agoWhat I wonder is, is it open enough to do software defined radio and fiddle with the GSM infrastructure? Probably not, for that you need Nokia 1100 made in Bochum.
- haunter 4y agohttps://browser.geekbench.com/search?q=nokia+g22 https://browser.geekbench.com/search?q=nokia+g22 It's on the level of a 2017 Google Pixel 2. I mean not bad but it' also £150/200€. For that much I'd rather get a used iPhone 11.
- Illotus 4y agoLargely depends on the market, where I am used iPhone 11 without major flaws costs little over 300 euros.
- poisonborz 4y agoWhy is it so hard to add a removeable back cover to have swappable battery? Seemingly battery replacement can still be done "in 5 minutes" but this still makes pop-out/on the road battery swapping unpractical. https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/nokia-g22 https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/nokia-g22
- throwanem 4y agoThe tradeoff is "back cover that comes off in an instant, whenever you want it to" versus "back cover that comes off in an instant, even when you don't want it to."
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y agoWhy can't the back cover just screw on and off? How often do you need to replace your battery? Maybe twice in 4 years? What percentage of people keep a phone for more than 4 years? 5%?
- billfor 4y agoNot so much replacing as swapping for a spare to double life without recharging.
- userbinator 4y agoSamsung even made an ad about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hIoyb9L5g0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hIoyb9L5g0 ...but then stopped making removable batteries after that.
- toastal 4y agoLike Google teasing Apple for removing the headphone jack and then following that anti-usability trend on next year's model.
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- octacat 4y agoJust unglued my samsung to replace battery/usb c. The mobile network does not work now. I guess getting something repairable is not a bad idea. Probably shorted, because you cannot disconnect battery without removing mid frame (and oh god that's hard).
- bitL 4y agoUgly notch and no Linux... Not sure what the appeal is? I believe HMD sales tanked right after they introduced the notch (they aren't Apple to get away with it) and this phone seems like a way to clear out unwanted displays via "repairability fans".
- neverrroot 4y agoNokia, what it once was, and where it’s playing at now. They weren’t very friendly nor open back in the days, but time has its ways. Happy to see them do this now.
- kwiens 4y agoWell it depends on which days you're referring to! The 3360 was pretty easy to work on... Let's bring back the glory days of Nokia phones that stand the test of time.
- a1371 4y agoThis seems like a Savvy move from Nokia. At least in my country, Nokia phones are remembered for the following: - nearly indestructible - well priced - back pops out Nokia is doing the most sensible thing to reuse these as its differentiator. I understand people taking about the OS. But Nokia has little control over the software and it has also never been its selling point for me with Symbian, and later Windows Phone. I sure miss their wonky phones with weirdly arranged buttons and their random quirks.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y agoDid Nokia used to manufacture there own phones? Or have they always just done design - like Apple - and someone else manufactured them?
- aspyct 4y agoI applaud this initiative by Nokia, and can't wait to lay my hands on one of those phones when mine dies, but let's be real: it won't be as tough as the 3310.
- circuit10 4y agoWhy does it have a notch but a thick bottom bezel? I thought the point of the notch was so that you could make the screen cover the whole display? Why can they not just move the screen down a bit to get the bezel to the top, remove the notch and put the camera at the top?
- indymike 4y agoThis is pretty common on lower-end devices and I think the answer is it looks more "high end" to they buyer.
- bitL 4y agoAsk HMD, they made some boneheaded design decisions in the last gen, thinking they are Apple to get away with it. Their sales showed otherwise and now they probably need to get rid of components they bough in advance, so here comes a repairable phone.
- rokweom 4y agoBecause LCD connectors require space. On phones where the bottom bezel is very small, the display is actually bent.
- system2 4y agoTime flies and 3 years update is nothing. Remember the beginning of covid days? More than 3 years ago. So if you bought this phone those days now it was in the garbage bin. I don't want to spend time and effort to buy a phone every 2-3 years. Buy an iPhone, they replace the battery for you for $69 even after 3 years. iPhones are rock-solid and get 6-7 years of updates.
- cromulent 4y agoTotally agree. But I would love a competitor. This smells like the start of one, if compromised by committee.
- aeyes 4y agoBut your device is still perfectly usable after the last update. It will probably take at least 2 years before apps refuse to work on that version. By the way: In 3 days iPhone battery replacement price will go up by $20, not such a good deal anymore. I can buy a budget phone at this price point.
- herf 4y agoIt's IP52 rated, so not water-safe like the IP67 and IP68 from other smartphones. But it probably costs less to fix even so.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoUnlockable bootloader? HTC Nokia hasn't been permitting that so far.
- mikejarema 4y agoWhy doesn't Nokia allow me to preorder or sign up to be notified when the device is released/available in my market? A search for g22 on nokia.com yields zero (!!) results. https://www.nokia.com/search/global/en/G22 https://www.nokia.com/search/global/en/G22 I'll be shopping for a new phone soon and am interested in this model. But wow, they've missed a huge opportunity to capture that interest and let me know when I can buy!
- luckyshot 4y agoI can get notified with this link (in spanish, though): https://www.nokia.com/phones/es_es/nokia-g-22/buy?sku=101S0609H002 https://www.nokia.com/phones/es_es/nokia-g-22/buy?sku=101S06...
- mikejarema 4y agoThank you for sharing, I'll give it a try Update: "Lo sentimos, algo ha salido mal. Comprueba la dirección de correo electrónico y vuelve a intentarlo."
- calacatta 4y agoApple seen backing up an all-new Brinks truck to Stephen Elop's WindowsCE-themed garage...
- throwaway4good 4y agoCan you install your own OS on this device?
- pxc 4y agoIf you can't update it to fix security flaws, it's not repairable. Software and firmware updates is 100% a repairability issue, as is the ability to customize those things with your own patches.
- fatih-erikli 4y agoI wouldn't. It'll explode in your pocket.
- f311a 4y ago> The Nokia G22 will cost from £149.99 shipping on 8 March with replacement parts costing £18.99 for a charging port, £22.99 for a battery and £44.99 for a screen. So, after a year of use the cost of replacing a battery and the screen will be close the market value of a used phone. A lot of people will go for a new phone.
- yazzku 4y ago22.99 + 44.99 = 67.98 149.99 / 67.98 = 2.206 So the new phone costs >2x. Also, why do you need to replace the battery after 1 year, let alone the screen?
- f311a 4y agoNew phone does not mean the same model. New phone usually has more features and a newer version of Android. That’s how consumers usually think about the benefits of a new phone I guess. Very few people care about sustainability.
- yazzku 4y agoCan't argue with "few people care", but I'm just not sure what "new features" or other nonsense you'd be getting. I think much of the new phone-buying, Apple fanboys aside, is that carriers make it easy to constantly upgrade with "$0" upgrade plans (where you basically end up paying the full cost of the phone anyway.) Legislation to ban or shape this kind of advertising could be beneficial to reduce e-waste.
- aaronchall 4y agoPerhaps close in absolute terms but still less than half the total price. I have never had to replace a screen before, but I have bought new batteries to replace on my own. An easily replaceable one would be nice.
- interblag 4y agoAccording to these numbers the combined cost of replacing the battery and the screen is 22.99 + 44.99 == 67.98, which is less than half (~45.3%) of the cost of the original new phone. Comparing that to the market value of a used phone is a bit unfair, since screens and batteries drive the depreciation of used phones more than any other components (ignoring EoL timelines for OS security updates, etc), and in this example you're getting new ones. Plus not everyone needs a new screen and battery every year. This definitely isn't going to be for everyone but, for what they're trying to do, IMO the numbers seem reasonable.
- jimnotgym 4y agoWow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?
- pimeys 4y agoI've been looking for a browser extension I could use to filter certain things out from my internet feeds. For example making anything related to Apple completely vanish for me. I wonder could the GPT be utilized for this?
- capableweb 4y agoUser-scripts is what you're looking for, commonly use to customize your browsing experience with small JS scripts. Can be run with for example TamperMonkey. Writing a script that blacks out or filters comments with a mention of Apple would be trivial ("if .comment's innerText contains Apple, $element.remove()" in short)
- cwillu 4y agoI made an Ask HN post on this subject a while back. Got 10 upvotes before it got flagged and hidden. :)
- pimeys 4y agoI actually stopped reading HN as much as I used to in the past 10+ years because of this. I found out running a small fediverse server and just curating my own feed keeps all the Apple stuff out from my view, and it's also easy to just hide/ban/filter people. It's sad, because I really don't want to jump in into many HN threads anymore...
- mlinksva 4y agoThe positive (and there's plenty of criticism; search and read) point being made about iphone is that it has a longer support duration. This seems highly complementary to repairability -- both seem important to maximize useful life -- and thus an entirely fair point, no? I'm recently on my 4th Android smartphone in 12 years (Galaxy S, Moto G, Pixel 2, Pixel 7) and would be still on the Pixel 2 if not for lack of updates, as it's still completely fine hardware wise. I guess if I had been an Apple fanboi, I would've had at least 1 fewer phones in that time period. Really made me think this last time. Hoping my eventual 5th smartphone will have very long support and very good repariability.
- pipeline_peak 4y agoIt would be nice if some company went against this obsession with ultra thin phones. Then we could go back to ACTUAL replaceable batteries, maybe durability too, something Nokia used to take pride in. Yes I’d like a 2mm thick phone with 6 cameras I can replace every year. I’d like my phone to get closer and closer to toilet paper clogging the pipes of this planet.
- LegitShady 4y agothey should raise the price $20 and give 5 years of updates. gsmarena says this g22 will have a 3.5mm headphone jack too.
- t0bia_s 4y ago76.2mm weight is huge. No deal to me unfortunately. Otherwise great idea that hopefully be a standard in future.
- openplatypus 4y ago> Security updates: 3 years of monthly security updates That is such a let-down! If Nokia is serious about sustainability, it needs to make it 5y+. I get it, it is not easy. But with the proliferation of malware and exploits, after 3y (since release, not purchase) this phone is nothing but a liability.
- tomComb 4y agoThat just refers to the security updates that require a full firmware update. I think people get focussed on that because they’re used to the iPhone where that’s only way to fix security issues. On android, the majority of security issues are patched immediately and silently through the play store, so that continues pretty much for the life of the phone. In other words, updates are much less important on android than they are on the iPhone.
- morsch 4y agoHere's the security bulletin for January: https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-01-01 https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-01-01 How do I determine which, if any, of these is fixed via the Play store update mechanism?
- nevi-me 4y agoThe bulletin specifies only CVE-2023-20912 as being fixed by Play Store. https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-01-01#google-play-updates https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-01-01...
- Ninjinka 4y ago> "allowing users to swap out the battery in under five minutes" Wow, I remember when that was 5 seconds, and came standard on Android.
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- everdrive 4y agoThis looks like a step in the right direction. If someone could make it easy to get another OS on here, we'd really be in good shape.
- bboygravity 4y agoUniherz Titan is also a fully repairable phone (came out years ago). Also it's better because it has a physical keyboard :) Just IMO obviously :) Recently got spare parts for mine such as battery and new charger port circuit. The manufacturer posts Youtube videos online on how to DIY it. Totally amazing IMO.
- tarkin2 4y agoI wonder how this compares to the cheapest basic Samsung Android phone, A03 or similar. I'll definitely consider this as my next phone should the current one need throwing.
- rc_mob 4y agoi never planned to ever leave apple but this here puts a "maybe" into me
- fancyfredbot 4y agoI have owned a fairphone 3, and honestly it was a let down - very expensive to buy and also expensive to repair (the replacement mainboard cost more than a newer better phone). Perhaps this was because of the sustainable sourcing they used but the upshot was that it became ewaste just as quickly as any other phone. This one should at least be cheap to repair!
- palata 4y agoI think the point of the Fairphone is that usually, the motherboard lives longer than the rest. The goal is to keep the motherboard for as long as possible, by replacing the modules around. If your motherboard died... well that's unfortunate, but I believe it's not supposed to be the norm. I, for one, am super happy with my 3+.
- mvkel 4y agoFine as long as the software will continue to support it, which will last about two years
- forinti 4y agoThe thing I really cared about was being able to swap the battery. So I got a Neffos C5 many years ago. When time came to swap the battery, I could only find crappy ones (probably used) from China. So, while I see this as positive, I'll just wait a few years before I praise anybody.
- WhackyIdeas 4y agoI have an iPhone Pro Max 13, and you can mark my words - I am selling this and getting a couple of these G22’s. This sounds fantastic. I cannot wait.
- hajola 4y agoCurious, what is the reason you would consider buying more than 1?
- Nextgrid 4y agoSpare parts?
- WhackyIdeas 4y agoWork and personal, but also as dedicated offline password managers. If I don’t need camera functionality or wifi, then can simply pop those out. The options are endless.
- tastysandwich 4y ago> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. They couldn't get Android 13 in time? Seeing as it's already a major version behind, and 14 will be released in August 2023, you're really only getting another six months of software support (plus security fixes). I'm not an Android dev but my understanding is that a lot of work has been put into making Android easier to upgrade major versions (eg, core functionality being split out into separate services). It doesn't look like that is translating into longer upgrade support, which is a shame. But I suppose that's why we're getting 5 years of security updates? (which is probably most important)
- cristiioan 4y agoOutside the major brands(Samsung, etc), many cheap phones ship with an older version from release. Probably because it is cheaper?
- Groxx 4y agoGiven how much of an absolute mess 12 was for me on a Pixel phone, and the massive delays and pushback from other manufacturers, I would kinda have hoped they would use 11 or jump to 13. 12 was easily the least stable Android I've ever used, and that's including three years of constant beta (sometimes nightly) use while I did Android development.
- jimnotgym 4y agoCheap phones are becoming an interesting decent proposition. I could get one of these, add that to my laptop and a full frame mirrorless camera I bought recently. I could buy all of them for less than my daughters new iPhone. A proper computer, a proper camera and a smartphone!
- sasas 4y agoWith this handset, does repairable == right to repair the operating system == supported jailbreaking? I recently went though some frustration to root a Samsung handset - it required sorting through endless blog posts linking random executables from megaupload or google drive. Fragmented instructions on various forums; many incomplete or incorrect. Which Android handsets best support rooting/jailbreaking by the vendor which provides a supported way to both unlock the bootloader and provide root access?
- ta8903 4y agoIt's nice that this phone is "officially" repairable which means you can buy the parts straight from Nokia and do the repairs yourself but keep in mind that most popular Android phones (even the cheap Chinese ones) are already repairable, you can look up instructions on how to open the back panel on youtube and buy the parts off aliexpress and do the repair yourself, or with brands like Xiaomi which have large presences in some countries you can have them do it, for much cheaper than it would cost for this phone.
- shp0ngle 4y agoI never ordered Fairphone because honestly the camera is absolute crap and making pictures of my kids is maybe #1 thing I do with my phone. If the camera on these is less crap… I probably still won’t buy it, because it has the same 3 years update policy as most Androids do. But hey I might think about it harder. edit: conversely, if fairphone ever ships with camera that’s better than 7 year old iPhone, then I’m game.
- s5300 4y agoFWIW: Bought Nokia 7.1 after it came out and it was a great phone However, because of a chassis design flaw the charge port had excess leverage applied on it practically no matter what - had to replace charge port 6 times & battery twice over ~1.5 years. Before that I had a Samsung Moto X Pure for idk how many years (got on release date), which I only had to replace an aged capacity battery once - no charge port issues to speak of (so it wasn’t me being excessively clumsy with the Nokia) Swore off of Nokia after that experience along with a few other flaws in the phone… and I really wanted to like that phone. Currently using 13 Pro Max as first Apple device & have been loving it. Hopefully Nokia can make themselves look good with this phone, but it will probably take many years of good faith from them for me to ever reconsider Also: I’ve been waiting on Nokias Withings watches to release their medical applications in the US for years now. They could perhaps not get folks with medical issues hopes up if there is any reason something could be delayed for multiple years…
- stephc_int13 4y agoI'd love seeing a market for DIY smartphones, in the same vein of the good old PC but also DIY drones or mechanical keyboards. That would be an opportunity for specialized boutique suppliers and probably for some innovation, even as a relatively niche market. I have not seen much evolution in this space during the last 5-7 years, and I think the form factor is pretty much settled. Longevity and repairability are things we should prioritize, but ownership and customization are also important. All of that could be built on standardized hardware, something close to the Raspberry Pi or Arduino. I would not mind too much if the device was slightly bulkier/heavier in the end, I think we could achieve much better value.
- pmontra 4y agoThis phone is already almost 200 g, way too much for me. It's also too large but probably just normal sized for most people. I wish sub 5" phones would still be a thing.
- mclightning 4y agoNokia, brand, has been milked to the brim at this point...
- davesque 4y ago...and it comes with two guitar picks!
- squarefoot 4y agoClose, but no cigar. After 3 years or 2 major Android versions it still becomes an unsupported doorstop doomed to rot in a drawer until the owner throws it into a landfill. I totally understand not wanting to put resources into supporting old products, so the punchline should have been "...and after support is ceased, we unlock the bootloader". Now that would have made it interesting.
- BLKNSLVR 4y agoBootloader should be unlockable, via a process that prevents accidentally doing it, from release. Custom ROM from day 1 may delay the need to replace the battery.
- hackernewds 4y agoadditionally > available for five years through ifixit this is not the win-win it's touted to being vs a high quality phone that just works for 5 years.
- louison11 4y agoPeople, don’t fight. There is a different consumer persona for each of the brands you’re comparing. People who like to be geeky and fix their own phones and install custom ROMs etc will keep on loving Android and phones like this one. People who have other priorities, just want the best phone on the market, just want it to work, and don’t mind paying more to fix it if it breaks, will go Apple. I don’t think anyone here will question that Apple always is 2 years ahead of Android phone makers. Don’t compare what’s not comparable.
- SilverBirch 4y agoIt's kind of sad to see Nokia releasing such niche products. Most people really don't care about this "DIY" attitude, and those that do immediately shout "Schematics" or "Bootloader". It's a bit of a nightmare market to service, and certainly a far cry from where Nokia used to be (even in the windows days!). This phone is for people who are mad they can't tune the Carburetors on their Tesla.
- tony-allan 4y agoThe future I want is more eco-friendly consumer products! They have outsourced all the repair stuff to iFixit... https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/self-repair https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/self-repair
- peterlk 4y agoAnd it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone with a small form factor.
- wahnfrieden 4y agoyou want a watch (wrist or pocket)
- hedora 4y agoDoes a standalone cellular watch exist (as a daily driver for everything you’d expect in that form factor)?
- steve_adams_86 4y agoI absolutely love my watch and mostly stopped using my phone since getting it, but it’s mind blowing that such an expensive and capable device is forced to piggy back off of a phone. Why can’t my watch be supported by MacOS rather than iOS? I mean, I know why, but it’s crazy. As soon as I find a high quality standalone watch I’ll start to seriously consider not having a phone at all. Or perhaps just not an expensive iPhone. Watches cover pretty much every use case I have with a phone.
- wahnfrieden 4y agowhat do you still need the phone for since they added standalone capabilities?
- paulmd 4y agoYou need an iphone at least to register the watch to the account, although I don't think anything forces you to keep it after.
- tony-allan 4y agoSee Nokia info: https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/nokia-g-22/specs https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/nokia-g-22/specs https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/self-repair https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/self-repair
- iamsomeone 4y agoit's a sad day when repairability is a feature
- paulmd 4y agoEh, they're only doing this because they're required by EU mandate to have removable batteries in a few years right? They get as much credit as Apple gets for switching to USB-C to ensure legal compliance with that EU mandate: zero. Doing it 5 years ago would have been brave, you don't get brownie points for complying with a legal mandate you opposed and fought.
- IronWolve 4y agoWow SDCard and 3.5mm headphone jack. Very nice.
- jimnotgym 4y agoI didn't notice that. I really miss my headphones jack. A couple of nights ago I couldn't sleep, and wanted to put on a guided meditation without waking my wife... and I had to turn on my headphones, wait for the beep....wait for the led to stop flashing... I for one am much happier with wired headphones.
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- ChuckMcM 4y agoThis is pretty awesome. I lost my original SurfaceBook to a failed battery (pillow of doom mode). I hope it enjoys a lot of success and inspires others to make it easy to fix the "obvious" breaking things (screens, batteries, mainboard).
- Lapsa 4y agoI'm using some kind of 3310 reincarnation. it's a great phone, even has a radio.
- Beaver117 4y agoYeah you could repair this, but after two years you won't want to
- matheusmoreira 4y agoPostmarketOS support?
- cubefox 4y agoDoes anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better if they offered slightly longer security updates in exchange of only letting you change the battery. Other things probably won't break anyway before the security updates stop coming in.
- shams93 4y agoYeah this is why linux phones would be great, we have manjaro with rolling updates, a fully upgradable linux phone would go a really long way in getting control over the ewaste issues.
- bionade24 4y agoThe Jolla phone got 7 years of updates before being sorted out. You can buy plenty of "real Linux" phones just now and also LineageOS preinstalled phones which will probably be supported for a very long time. https://blog.jolla.com/jolla7/ https://blog.jolla.com/jolla7/
- lolinder 4y agoYes, I came here to say this. Swapping out the battery is a great improvement only if the device's lifetime is longer than the battery's, and my batteries tend to last more than three years. (Writing this on my 5 year old phone that still has the original battery.)
- 97s 4y agoSupported for 3 years. LOL. Just don't get this one bit.
- jimnotgym 4y agoThe previous option for a budget repairable phone was 0 years support.
- 97s 4y agoYea I mean I get that, but I had my pixel 2 for over 5 years. Without repairing it at all. I assume my samsung S22U will also last 5+ years. So I just don't see the point of repair-ability if the support cycle is only 3 years. What is going to break in 3 years of a cell phone unless its very poorly made?
- JoshTko 4y agoGoing to wait and see how many "iPhones are so unrepairable" folks are gonna buy this phone.
- user8501 4y ago“Partnership with iFixit” just sounds… weird. You were supposed to destroy the Sith not join them!
- kwiens 4y agoOur mission is to help everyone fix all their stuff. We'll work with any manufacturer that wants to make their products last longer. Nokia has been really great to work with. Their engineers genuinely want to make this phone easier to work on.
- flas9sd 4y agoI'm writing this from a 2016 device that ticks all of the boxes of repairability the announced phone has. Without the GPL, bootloader unlock and a willing vendor (motorola), it's end of life would've been in 2019. Thanks to source availability the community gave it another lease up to today and it's a candidate for a 10+ year phone thanks to kernel mainlining. While hardware repairability is a pillar, it's only one of two and nothing without "software repair". Sadly even the ecodesign draft proposal (in the EU) goes soft on this topic and criticism of it (by eeb.org) still thinks only in "update duration" instead of the real ingredient of sustainability: software sources and ability to build it.
- open1414 4y agoThe problem is after 3-4 years, the only batteries you can find are from aliexpress or drop-shippers on Amazon. How does one trust these batteries from exploding in the middle of night especially if you fall asleep with your phone next to you.
- userbinator 4y agoI still remember when removable battery, storage, and dual SIMs (at least on some models) was the norm with Androids. For a lot of unbranded/lesser-known low-end Chinese brands based largely on reference designs, that's still true today. Given that there are underlying standards for many of these components, I wonder if we might see the emergence of industry-standard de-facto form factors, at least for Android phones.
- totetsu 4y agoI keep stripping the heads of screws in my electronics Im trying to repair. they are made of such soft metal. Any one have any suggestions of good repair tool kit that fits well?
- LoveMortuus 4y agoI must say, I'm quite surprised that just by having a removable back it's suddenly a DIY repairable... My previous phone (Lenovo Note K3) that I replaced last year because it started to blue screen also had a removable back and the battery just slotted in, like it did with the old phones, which I find even easier to replace then what this phone offers. When I read the title I thought it was going to be a phone that costs <200€ and really just plug'n'play with all the parts. I was thinking of buying it just for the sake of supporting the movement, but now I'm just disappointed... Was I expecting too much? I mean any repairability is better then none, but still this feels a bit too little...
- nilespotter 4y agoYou can replace the display on this one too. Sounds like if your Lenovo Note K3 had that feature, you'd still have it.
- timonoko 4y agoApropos. You can make any kind of new battery simply by dismantling the original battery and reusing the connector and charging electronics and raw unprotected LiOn-cells. This is safer than ordering god-knows-what batteries from Aliexpress. Size issues can be solved by sawing off protruding areas from back cover and duck tape (or 3D-printer). Thus you can have cellphone with swapable Lion AAA-cells for example.
- pengaru 4y agoI think a lot of the people talking about battery replacement intervals being so long that it's pointless for this or that reason don't realize how quickly LiPo pouch batteries swell up in hot climates. Every mobile android device I've used through a desert summer has ruined its own battery from charging in the heat. It's basically a yearly replacement schedule if I stay through summers. Sometimes more often if I require the device and it's entirely useless with a swollen battery.
- user3939382 4y agoI once put my own root cert on Android and over 2 weeks intercepting, analyzing, and cutting off every phone home background process, until it could only send traffic arising directly from my UI activity. The amount of privacy abusive traffic was astonishing. Stopping it made the phone basically unusable. I hope some day a real open source, user rights focused OS can accompany something like this.
- shirro 4y agoMy XR20 is the longest I have had a phone without shattering the screen. With solidly built hardware the end of software updates becomes more of a concern than ease of hardware repairs. You can't unlock the bootloader on recent Nokias and install LineageOS.
- hk1337 4y agoIt seems like a really nice phone and my interest was peaked until I saw it’s only a 4G/LTE phone. I wonder if they’ll come out with a 5G version?
- anderspitman 4y agoKinda sad that a removable battery is considered a repairability feature. It used to be the standard, and without removing any screws. And the phones weren't that much bigger. Still good to see though. What I've always wanted is a phone with swappable batteries and a tiny lipo that keeps the phone on for the few seconds it takes you to exchange batteries. Unlimited battery life without rebooting as long as you have charged batteries lying around.
- snshn 4y agoYou mean like https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/? How original...
- AussieWog93 4y agoAs someone who has repaired a few phones for friends and family, this looks to be more marketing spin than an actual new type of product. That teardown is almost exactly identical to a Moto G30, and probably dozens of other budget smartphones with plastic cases and screws. Parts availability was (and still is) great on the G30 too.
- gidis_ 4y agoYeah £149.99 sounds like a budget phone. There are literally hundreds of Android devices that cost less
- Awelton 4y agoIt isn't going to be available in the US.
- zwilliamson 4y agoIf they launch a smaller form factor it should gain traction quick! No one covers this demand space
- leke 4y agoReplacing screens has always been a pain point for me. I wonder if these screens are also glued in.
- notorandit 4y ago> will be supported for three years So, after three years either you will be lucky and it will be supported by someone else (read LineageOS and friends) or it will be seen and a security problem. We don't need just hardware repairability, but also software support.
- roryisok 4y agoI live waaaaay behind the curve, phone wise. I buy phones from about 5 years ago and I don't spend more than about 150 at a time. Every now and then a phone comes along that makes me want to break that trend and buy something new, and this is definitely a strong contender.
- tcmb 4y agoOut of curiosity, that means you deliberately buy phones when they are pretty much guaranteed to not receive any updates anymore, including security updates? Or do you install custom ROMs?
- dmichulke 4y agoI suppose he uses a custom OS like LineageOS. I do the same, it's cheap and much more secure (threat model is also: google tracking you).
- roryisok 4y agoI don't but now I'm curious
- einpoklum 4y agoQuite possibly - like hundreds of Millions of other people who use older phones.
- roryisok 4y agoThis is the reason. All those people who need to be on the absolute bleeding edge, sell perfectly good phones for a quarter of what they cost new, to people like me. Everyone I know buys new phones for anywhere up to 800 for the latest Samsungs (and don't even get me started on the Apple stuff) and I just can't fathom it. It's like buying a brand new car and then selling it three years later to buy another brand new one because there's a slightly better entertainment system. And yes, I know some of you probably also do that. Maybe I'm just a penny pinching old man
- roryisok 4y agoI hope this trend continues. I wonder will people find uses for the components in the same way they do with the framework laptop parts?
- tobyhinloopen 4y ago3 years of updates? Meh
- kleiba 4y agoWhy does Nokia's website then say that the battery is non-removable? https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/nokia-g-22/specs?sku=101S0609H001 https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/nokia-g-22/specs?sku=101...
- harvie 4y agoNokia phone with replaceable battery. Such a novel idea...
- ImHereToVote 4y agoOnly one sim slot. What is this, a phone for amputees?
- ummonk 4y ago3 years of software updates is rather mediocre from my perspective as an iPhone user.
- Cloudef 4y agoIts like they read my rants about modern smartphones on HN
- pictur 4y agoIf someone from this site is reading this, I think you should cover the whole page for the cookie notification instead of half the page. It would be nicer if the site became a cookie consent form. I don't want to read news, I want to approve cookies. Can you do this for me?
- college_physics 4y agoIts wonderful to see for once a race to the top rather than the bottom of mindless, engineered consumerism. Fairphone led the way with repairability and will hopefully continue innovating in this space, but Nokia's entrance is hopefully an indication this is not a niche market segment but has acquired critical mass.
- rokweom 4y agoMy 100$ phone from 2017 - Xiaomi Redmi 4X - had the same level of repairability: just unclip the back cover and you have access to internals. Replacing the battery was a matter of unscrewing the battery connector. How exactly is this new?
- chagaif 4y agoIt's the marketing, people don't know they can fix it, now they know. The guide will help, you would still have the guarantee when it you replace parts. But the main thing is awareness
- homero 4y agoWhy can they never use flagship CPU? Power users who would buy want the latest snapdragon like myself
- bennysonething 4y agoHow would this compare to a pixel 6a?
- singpolyma3 4y agoNokia phones are notorious for not having unlockable bootloaders and substandard performance. Maybe this one is different, but neither factor seems mentioned in the article
- unosama 4y agoI had one Nokia, and it was the worst android phone I've purchased. The USB-C jack broke after a month of use. The firmware never got the bugs ironed out and would constantly crash. The battery life was terrible, even brand new.
- jabl 4y agoI see it has only 4G RAM. Is that really considered sufficient these days? I have a phone with 3 GB, and it's pretty annoying how often it kills apps when switching between them. E.g. switching from Firefox to my password manager or to some 2FA app, and when I jump back into Firefox it has been killed, and reloads the page and then the authentication starts from scratch.
- mickotron 4y agoI just want a phone that gets regular updates and security updates for 5+ years. Why give me hardware that can be repaired when the software is not supported after a few years?
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- fennecfoxy 4y agoEveryone in here wishing we still had dial-up instead of fibre broadband so that they can use their old modems, apparently.
- moremetadata 4y agoWhy is this being pushed back up to the front page of hacker news, when it had fallen to page 3, yesterday? A little bit of telecoms manipulation?
- suyash 4y agodoes it run stock Android and get all the latest updates?
- qwerty456127 4y agoIs it also unlocked and LineageOS-friendly?
- Roark66 4y agoThis is definitely a step in a good dieection, but why not have the battery user replaceable by unclipping the back cover? My last phone that had such user removable battery was Samsung Galaxy S6 if I remember correctly. It was a great smartphone. Why not come back to it? I can understand it compromises waterproofing, but for a non-waterproof phone? Why not?
- Woshiwuja 4y agotbf that thing always comes off when the phone falls, understandble
- Idiot_in_Vain 4y agoNokia G22 is a good budget phone. The SOC - Tiger 606 has two big and six small CPU cores, while most budget SOCs have eight small cores. Together with 4GB RAM makes for mostly lag free UI. 4GB/64GB is the minimal config to run comfortably recent versions of Android. On top of that it comes with modern design, USB type C port, large battery (can easily last two days of moderate use) and fast charging (20W max).
- hoseja 4y agoWhy the hell is memory/storage in phones so stagnant. They could put a terabyte in there, don't tell me they couldn't.
- Idiot_in_Vain 4y ago99.9% of the users don't need a TB. There are flagship models with 1TB flash.
- webdoodle 4y agoThat is a definite step in the right direction. Non-removable batteries and removal of physical jacks worsened planned obsolescence considerably. Now they just need physical switches for wifi, bluetooth, cell service, camera, mic, and gps. I might actually own a cellphone again, if they do. I've been cell free for almost 3 years now.
- rkagerer 4y agoWhat are the specs? I wish it were a high-end model.
- rldjbpin 4y agoi am not sure about the "update lifespan ruining the phone's longevity" point. people never held the same standards for dumb phones with little to no software revisions. i get that android is infested with malware. however, if people, even companies, can choose to stick with older versions of windows despite going out of support, regular folk who don't install random apps should have no issues with this. also, not to disregard potential community rom support if this takes off.
- juliangmp 4y ago>People value long-lasting, quality devices But only 3 years of software support The bar isnt even low in this industry, its in the damn basement...
- pkphilip 4y agoThe sheer number of comments for this one article should show that this product has some demand! It would have been great if it was de-googleable and came with instructions for installing Lineage etc
- LinuxBender 4y agoNice! I've been waiting for something like the FairPhone to show up in the US. A sweet bonus would be if they also provided and fully supported de-googled image or at least had an option to download the de-googled image after accepting some disclaimers. Or perhaps even set up a public community for phone hackers to help them build said image i.e. crowdsource the work. An optional large shell for a bigger battery would be a nice upgrade too. My current phone has a 10,000mAh battery and lasts a very long time after disabling background networking on most apps.
- wesapien 4y agoHopefully, the bootloader is unlocked for third party ROMs like Lineage and others
- digitallyfree 4y agoHonestly it would be a huge selling point for this device if it had excellent custom ROM support on top of the repairability. There are phones from 2015 still being supported today by Lineage.
- chmod775 4y agoLineage: My S5 (klte, 2014)[0] still works and is still getting updated last I checked. I did buy a newer phone a few months ago, but I'm keeping the S5 around as a spare. In fact my previous S2 is still working as well, but I don't think it receives updates (also it has no battery right now - luckily it can operate with just power plugged in). [0]: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/klte/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/klte/
- wesapien 4y agoI still have my original LG V20 and I bought the international/dual-sim version to be my main. It's like the Thinkpad of smartphones. Along with my T480, it's on the best gadgets I've owned.
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- aspyct 4y agoThis will be nice if and only if there is a way to install a custom android version. Otherwise it'll be bogged down with bloatware and will be useless as soon as security updates aren't available anymore. But if so, very nice :)
- hakfoo 4y agoI have a G20, and it's pretty vanilla Android stock. I'm actually excited for this. My family tends to shop in this price range, and you've got a lot of fairly interchangeable phones out there. It ends up being sort of frustrating because there's no obvious right choice. Now you have a simple argument. You don't have to deep dive explain to Mom the difference between CPUs or manufacturer update policies, just "If this one breaks, it can be fixed without a huge production number." There was a time when one of the (admittedly secondary) arguments for buying an iPhone or Galaxy S (as opposed to a cheaper alternative) was that the local fix shops had a lot of dead scrap units and could arrange for a cheap quick fix, while if you bought a Nokia or Umidigi, you were waiting weeks for them to get parts and it was probably twice the cost because they didn't want to work on a phone they weren't wildly familiar with.
- AussieWog93 4y agoIf you have a G20, your phone is probably already as repairable as this Nokia. I've personally pulled apart a G30 and it was basically identical to the phone they showed in the article.
- studentik 4y agoI imagine IntelliJ running on Archlinux from Nokia phone with wireless high-resolution glasses display
- kornhole 4y agoUntil someone builds an OS variant for it, you can use the UAD (Universal Android Debloater) found on Github to remove most of that.
- johnny22 4y ago
- tuetuopay 4y ago> It runs Android 12 and will be supported for three years of monthly security updates and two major Android version upgrades. And that's why I stick to iPhones for long-lasting devices, those two major versions are a joke. Apple has the crown with seven on the iPhone 6S. When will someone make Android phones other than Pixels with non-abysmal software support? Yes, I know you can install alternate ROMs on your phone, but this is not what the general public does, especially with a phone at this price point. The average joe will definitely change his phone after three years when they cannot install whatsapp or messenger or their banking app anymore. That said, kudos to Nokia for entering this market, I genuinely hope it will be profitable enough for them to keep it up!
- rock_artist 4y agoAlso Pixels usually gets less official OS iterations than iPhones. Only nice thing on Android is the aftermarket ROMs since it's AOSP. Sadly from my experience the aftermarket ROMs for newer OS iterations arent polished or miss features that the OEM roms had.
- camhart 4y agoLess official?
- xnyan 4y agoThey meant fewer, as in "Android gets fewer official OS iterations than iPhone."
- nortonham 4y agowhat they mean is iPhones receive updates (OS upgrades and security updates) and are officially supported by Apple for a longer period of time than any Android phone. The Google Pixel receives new android versions and security updates for a longer period of time than any other android phone, but that's fewer than the equivalent iPhone
- duxup 4y agoYeah my wife’s old iPhone 8 Plus still gets updates, still runs. Many of my android devices from that time are dead, no more updates, and/or borderline unusable due to random android slowdown performance issues. In fact running across that old phone is what convinced me to switch.
- w4rh4wk5 4y agoDoes it have a headphone jack?
- jasoneckert 4y agoThis is excellent. However, I wish they released a more powerful version with the same repairability. I believe this would better appeal to the audience that values the repairability, as well as put pressure on other vendors to do the same.
- BurningFrog 4y agoThat seems like the natural progression, if this model has any success.
- jw14 4y agoSupported with updates for 3 years? So you'll change the battery once, I guess.
- PufPufPuf 4y agoIf it gets popular enough on XDA, you can bet on another few years of updates from the community. - Sent from my Xiaomi A2 Lite (released 2018), currently running Android 13
- jacooper 4y agoThough not for the firmware. So it isn't really comparable to stock support. Heck grapheneOS stops supporting devices shortly after google because they can't really offer full security coverage.
- whatsthatabout 4y agoThe Nokia website only states 2 years of OS updates - so its e-waste from the beginning. What a joke *EDIT: And 3 years of security updates
- PaulKeeble 4y ago5 years for parts is better than nothing but its still a lot of e-waste. Ideally given screens and ports and batteries are something that have been around for decades and will be around for decades more in similar ways it would be nice to extend this out longer. With progress on CPUs/GPUs slowing we do need to start to consider much longer usable life times for computer products and having obsolence built in at 5 years when a consumable like the battery fails isn't OK. OS updates also very short so this phone is quickly going to end up on LineageOS.
- charcircuit 4y ago>but its still a lot of e-waste Phones are a tiny amount of waste. Trying to get a few extra years out of one is a microoptimization in reducing one's waste output.
- Nextgrid 4y agoI'm not sure if the physical volume of the phone in a landfill is the only issue to consider. What about all the energy and resources used to manufacture it?
- palata 4y ago> Phones are a tiny amount of waste. Can you elaborate on that? Seems completely wrong to me.
- charcircuit 4y agoThink of how much people throw away each week. A phone is only a couple hundred grams and takes up a small amount of space. Think of how many phones could fit in a single garbage bag. The number will be way more than the number of phones they will go through in their entire life. So in your entire life you are saving a fraction of a garbage bag's worth of garbage.
- palata 4y agoRight, but it's not the weight that matters, it's the environmental impact. And there I'm convinced that e-waste is not negligible.
- Kasutaja11 4y agoHow about a high end phone now? I want a top tier device with sd slot and headphone jack and not a pain in the ass glued in everything
- dsr_ 4y agoThis "just" needs a better screen and 50% more RAM and it would be quite competitive with $600 phones.
- Hackbraten 4y agoThe Librem 5 is still on backorder as of today but is likely to reach shipping parity later this year. Not exactly top-tier hardware-wise. But the Librem is running a mainline Linux kernel, so it will have a decade or more of software support and security updates.