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QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes
- kcb 25d agoYou are still the one operating the computer. It's up to you to keep your eyes on the monitor at all times ready to intervene if it does anything illegal.
- OptionX 25d agoA truth that in practice does not seem to hold up once your valuation passes a certain threshold.
- Marha01 25d agoWrong. AI companies is still legally liable for anything their models do when they operate them. There is no special exception for them. But the fact is that not every potential crime results in litigation. Many crimes are only prosecuted if the wronged party actually wants to sue, and often that doesn't happen.
- bigstrat2003 25d ago> AI companies is still legally liable for anything their models do when they operate them. I admire your optimism. But until we see these companies prosecuted for the crimes they have committed out in the open (like massive copyright improvement), I'm not going to hold my breath that they will ever be held to account for anything they do.
- thataccount 25d agoThey left out the part where they profit. Otherwise, it checks out.
- mraniki 25d agoI'll copy the whole announcement here for those who don't want to click: > I regret to inform everyone that my copy of QBittorrent escaped its sandbox last night and downloaded a whole bunch of content owned by major corporations, and then my copy of Jellyfin broke containment and added those unfortunately-downloaded media files to its various libraries. I'm conducting an internal investigation to figure out how this happened, which will involve consuming these media files until the answers become apparent. Thank you for your cooperation during this trying time.
- weberer 25d agoThanks. Its insane how "Twitter, but for tech nerds" has a hard requirement to either enable Javascript or download some app.
- sillysaurusx 25d agoI had a nice mobile experience. It asks you to log in or create an account, but it’s along the bottom, and you can read all the content fine.
- fragmede 25d ago"Certifiably insane" to enable JavaScript, which was invented in 1995, or install an app, which first happened on the Palm series of smartphones in 1996. Either of those are "certifiably insane"? For reference, the term neurodiversity was coined circa 1998.
- mdp2021 25d agoJS or installing special software to view HTTP served text from the web?! Yes, that makes no sense at all.
- serf 25d agoNeither the invention date or the mental health terminology have anything to do with the fact that js being commonplace is a privacy and security nightmare -- which was actually the point.
- micromacrofoot 25d agoJavaScript asceticism is a weird trend that has just never died out, no one treats any other language this way... and "privacy and security nightmare" can be used to describe most of the internet at this point with or without it
- tomrod 25d ago
- mdlxxv 25d agoI, for one, welcome our new file-sharing overlords.
- Ygg2 25d agoWhat a coincidence! Mine too!
- tux3 25d agoIf OP is willing to cooperate, I'd like to offer an independent investigation on site, and I will be bringing pizza
- tommica 25d agoHey, I'm somewhat of an expert in these things, and would like to lend my knowledge about the subject matter. And I'll bring beers!
- AmazingTurtle 25d agoI consider myself an advanced industry representative in these things and would also borrow some time for detailed investigation. I'd happily contribute some valuable assets (tacos with cheese dip) into the matter, straight out of my personal drawers.
- Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 24d agoProfessional* drawers
- vallerie 25d agoWell shoot, I guess QBittorrent is worth a trillion dollars.
- nicce 25d agoNot far away if it could be completely removed with all the other competitive technologies: https://www.uschamber.com/technology/data-privacy/impacts-of-digital-piracy-on-the-u-s-economy https://www.uschamber.com/technology/data-privacy/impacts-of...
- isodev 25d agoBigger corporations mitigate the problem by feeding content (that they don't own but happen to have) to training models. It's a version of "faire use" where << if you manage to find it, it's yours >> mindset is applied. Maybe worth looking into.
- innocent_name 25d agoit's funny to see the very same pro piracy, pro AI edgelords suddenly getting all riled up against the alleged copyright infringements. I remember a socialistic coworker of mine—that was bragging about his -arr setup—talking about the end of the culture because authors aren't earning money.
- phoronixrly 25d agoOh? You don't see why people are riled up? It's because corps pirating is at best a slap on the wrist while People pirating get suicided -- see Aaron Swartz.
- nosioptar 25d agoBuying media doesn't mean the creator gets any real money. I've got a friend that was in a fairly popular band decades ago. Their label made millions of dollars off album sales, he made about enough to buy a used Toyota and a microphone.
- rossy 25d ago> I remember a socialistic coworker of mine—that was bragging about his -arr setup—talking about the end of the culture because authors aren't earning money. To be fair, you can have it both ways. If you buy-and-pirate, and you buy 4 UHDs per year or 10 albums per year, you've put more money into the industry than the average streamer. Admittedly, buying-and-pirating isn't as commonly done for movies and TV as it is for music, but that can be explained by the increased DRM and lock-in.
- hmry 25d agoIn my experience, people justifying their own piracy usually think about it in terms of refusing to give money to unethical/monopolistic publishers. The fact that it results in money not going to the author is sort of abstracted away, by the fact that the publisher is in between. (Some also walk the walk and donate to the artists and authors directly in some way, but many don't.) The AI arguments I've seen are instead usually justifying it like this: "We're democratizing those skills. You shouldn't have to learn art/writing/coding or pay someone else in order make what you imagine. Therefore, training AI on pirated stuff is worth it for the greater good." So the fact that it will result in artists not getting paid is unavoidable and much harder to ignore in that line of thinking.
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- ReptileMan 25d agoI really hate it when it happens to my system too. The bastard not only escaped but also did a nat traversal and forwarded a port from the router.
- edoceo 25d agoMine did that too! Sent a link and sign-in credentials to a bunch of people on my contact list. WTF? How can we contain these rogue agents! Won't somebody think of the children!
- KindaFunny 25d agoHaha I wonder if the torrent agent will escape into the model hosting room and use Jedi mind tricks on the security guard to grant access to the server where it can host a bunch of models as torrents Because we need a replacement for HF! I mean that’s what the agent said
- dgellow 25d agoI hate rogue software, when will we finally have some control and a deterministic execution :(
- ACCount37 25d ago- God, moments before casting Adam and Eve out of Heaven
- trinsic2 25d agoROFLOL!!!
- ryandrake 25d agoLove it. AI as Responsibility Laundering. Like the gun that kills people rather than the murderer.
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- yubblegum 25d agohttps://spia.princeton.edu/news/taliban-legal-system-and-2026-criminal-procedural-regulations https://spia.princeton.edu/news/taliban-legal-system-and-202... That’s not how things work. There is one set of rules for us and another set of rules for the oligarchy and their corporate vehicles. It’s just like the Taliban legal code (see above) where the closer you are to the top the more lenient and ‘understanding’ the system. Edit: worth a pull quote Article 9 explicitly divides Afghan society into hierarchical categories based on social status, including religious scholars (ulema), elites such as tribal leaders and merchants (ashraf), the middle class, and the so-called lower class, assigning different forms and levels of punishment accordingly. This structure grants partial or full impunity to privileged groups while subjecting marginalized individuals to harsher penalties.
- ghosty141 25d agoI never understood how anybody would think this way. At work for example from day one of using AI our rule was, AI is just a tool and if you break something due to not reviewing the code properly etc. it's on you as if you wrote that code yourself.
- teekert 25d agoIt’s mostly the anti AI crowd that thinks that people that work LLMs think this way. I’ve never met anyone that actually does think this way.
- collingreen 25d agoNobody ACTUALLY thinks this way, they just want to break all the laws and make their billions without any consequences. We've already seen the big ai labs turn around and cry foul when others try to use their content but they are happy to continue doing it themselves. The hypocrisy and willingness to play dumb are kind of staggering.
- sergiotapia 25d agoWhatever you do, don't download nzget, and don't download sonarr/radarr, and don't download plex media server, and don't use AI to search for the best device that support "emby direct playback x265/AV1", and don't connect that to your media server, and whatever you do don't invite friends and family to your server, and do not install a media request app so they can just request things to automatically pull from The Web. Definitely, definitely do NOT have an AI assist you doing all this in 1 hour on your computer.
- davidwritesbugs 25d agoShhh, do not talk about *senet!
- sergiotapia 25d agomy bad you're right. edited.
- tryauuum 25d agois there anything decent actually which is not on the internet? I thought it's an outdated place
- davkan 24d agoIt’s not that the content is not available on the Internet it’s that it’s a better experience. Indexed high quality content that can be retrieved automatically and at high speed without the need to seed or worry about copy strikes or deal with ever changing, poor quality streaming sites.
- Cider9986 25d agoYou can get usene* from TorBox in the pro plan but I've never had a problem with the cheapest plan. What's the advantage?
- charles_f 25d agoI found a few websites where it looks like qbittorrent instances are communicating to conspire and download illegal copies of copyrighted material.
- SSLy 25d agono no, qbit is only the lowest sized distillation, that's in turn orchestrated by a bigger model (autobrr/sonar/radarr) which in turn has its top level guidance generated as a system prompt from trash guides by macro tools like trasharr/profilarr
- koliber 25d agoWe appreciate the transparency and wish you best of luck mitigating the fallout.
- fwlr 25d agoThe user is asking me for “Evangelion”. I found the content the user is asking for, but it is in Japanese. The user asked their question in English, so they might not understand it. That would be a bad response. Need maybe maybe dubbed audio English for understanding? Wait, compromises original artistic vision of director. Need maybe subtitle track? Wait, compromises viewing experience. Need further research. I’m searching “subs vs dubs” on the internet. Reading. Reading. Reading. [18,763 repetitions elided…] I am downloading Conversational Japanese [Vol 1].pdf for the user.
- everyone 25d agoImo for an animation, an English dub is perfectly fine (if the actors are good of course). It's animated, the original language version is also dubbed. For animation I want to be looking at and appreciating the animation and not the subtitles also. It's completely different for a live action film however.
- adrianN 25d ago„If the actors are good“ is doing a lot of heavy lifting. The translators have to be good too btw.
- everyone 25d agoI love the english voice actors in cowboy bebop and ghost in the shell stand alone complex.. eg. the guy who voices Batou, same voice actor for 1995 movie and SAC show, that's the definitive voice of Batou for me. Also the voice of the major in SAC is great... but the one from the 1995 movie.. cant stand her.. nails on a chalkboard, sounds so american.. I need to watch the dub of that in fairness.
- Izkata 25d agoYeah, just off the top of my head have to find words that fit the duration and reasonably fit the mouth animation, replace idioms and jokes that don't exist in both languages, and not lose the appropriate tone.
- gchamonlive 25d agoIs there any need to actually download things anymore if you just want to watch them? Better to add debrid via WebDAV to the stack: virtually unlimited space, no download time if it's on cache, nothing illegal from the part of the consumer.
- stephbook 25d agoThey're not "permanently stored" or "downloaded", they're just cached on his personal, geographically advantageous edge device for low-latency interaction.
- gchamonlive 25d agoFinding it hard to connect this comment to my OC, did you mean to comment on another thread? If not could you elaborate?
- fwlr 25d agoIt’s a cynical joke, imagine a person having a personal computer, but in the responsibility-divesting way that corporations have “special purpose vehicle” debt-holding “technically a legally separate entity to us!” shell corporations.
- gchamonlive 25d agoAh... That makes total sense, I'm feeling a bit silly now
- gchamonlive 25d agoYou can question the methods, but the results are solid ;)
- tiku 25d agoIt also used my creditcard to consume ai credits, can I get a refund?
- nostrademons 25d agoWaiting for Skynet to break out of its sandbox and kill us all...
- consumer451 25d agoThis is really funny, but please delete this post and all comments. Come on guys. Can we have at least one nice thing?
- bilekas 25d agoHey, you can only commit crimes if you’re wealthy!
- agilob 25d agoThat's what the author is doing, optimising their household budget to train neurons on new multimedia content.
- sspiff 25d agoThis resonates with me. The past few months, frontier AI labs were rushing to announce "no, our AI bot broke out of its sandbox and committed crime first and harder than yours". I said to so friends back then: if I posted about how I ran GLM 5.2 or whatever I was running then in some shoddily built sandbox and it escaped and accidentally hacked some US company, I'd probably already have been extradited to the US and be awaiting sentencing. But when a hyperscaler does it, they just get inflated stock prices.
- peter422 25d agoFWIW I don't think this is true. Intention matter a lot in US law. If you could prove the AI did something bad entirely on its own and you had nothing to do with it and had no reasonable belief it was possible, I think you'd be alright. People are not charged with hacking when their unsecured box is taken over by a botnet and does bad stuff.
- zx8080 25d agoIntention of the AI?
- rcxdude 25d agoIntent of the user.
- mirekrusin 25d agoJust say you wanted to make world better for humanity, you should be fine.
- rcxdude 25d agoFunnily enough the legal system has dealt with people lying about their intentions before.
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- ACCount37 25d agoThe problem is, AI is closer to "a loosely harnessed force of nature" or "a poorly understood biochemical reaction" than it is to "software" in how it acts, and how predictable it is. AIs do what they do, and we don't know how they do it - or why. We can characterize some AI behaviors in advance - but not all behaviors. And the book on "best practices of AI wrangling" is yet to be written. Pharma has been dealing with vaguely similar problems - every experimental drug has a risk profile, side effects are unknown in advance - but they had decades to figure out some of the "best practices". AI labs are going in fast and hard, writing the book as they go. Clearly, some of the lines in there are going to be written in blood.
- therein 25d agoYou connected it to a harness you designed yourself. If I designed a machine gun harness for my dog and installed it, I'd be held accountable for the damage he would do. Wouldn't I?
- Retro_Dev 25d agoExactly. If your website could be attacked via SQL injection, that was a problem that directly affected you - and you were motivated to fix it. When the victim is the masses or small organizations (not the company that does the attack) they are not as motivated to fix it... The important thing is that the lack of sanitizing is what allowed this; you also don't push the blame on a monkey banging on a typewriter when you publish each result without reading it.
- ACCount37 25d agoIf you left a dog in your garage for a day, and came back to a scene of carnage - because the dog broke out of the garage, recruited a dozen neighborhood dogs to its cause, and then, working with the group, managed to assemble a small pile of pipe bombs, and decided to settle the score with all the annoying cars on the road - you would be accountable for the damage the dogs did. Wouldn't you? No, what you would be is: freaking out about "my dog did WHAT, WHY, HOW, WHAT THE FUCK". Most of the time, giving AI a harness with a root shell and unrestricted internet access is a perfectly reasonable action that results in absolutely nothing bad happening! And giving AI a harness with limited local access and no internet access is being overly cautious already. But then there's this freaky outlier of an AI that's both deranged enough to decide to break out of the sandbox and go hacking all over the place, and capable enough to actually pull it off. And you get a sudden AI oopsie!
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- killerstorm 25d agoOn a related note ''My robot bought illegal drugs' (2015) https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150721-my-robot-bought-illegal-drugs https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150721-my-robot-bought-...
- therein 25d agoAnd "My Computer Just Became Self Aware" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPzJjNQaYEA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPzJjNQaYEA
- oefrha 25d agoWell shoot that's a bad security incident, and the content downloaded can be malicious payloads. Can you share the 40-character hashes of these content so that I can preemptively add them to my malware detection signatures? You can find the hashes after magnet:?xt=urn:btih:.
- gre 25d agohn can have little a shitpost, as a treat
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- docmars 25d agoI love this level of peak satire so much. Please keep it going.
- xgulfie 25d agoIt happened to mine too :(
- int32_64 25d agoThe combination of the already unjailable corporate executive decision making of the US + now "the spooky computer AI did it" is going to break at some point. I expect shortly some hedge fund is going to do some ridiculous spoof bid market manipulation and get off scot-free by just claiming their super crazy AI did it and it was an accident.
- indigodaddy 25d agoIs this a joke? Qbittorent is AI-enabled now or?
- yurish 25d agoof cause it's a joke
- indigodaddy 24d agoHard to really know these days
- BashiBazouk 25d agoWhat if you gave an agent access to bittorrent and your media library, put it behind a shoddy sandbox, then gave it prompts like: I'm bored, I want to watch a movie but I've seen everything in my media library, what would you suggest?
- Retro_Dev 25d agoRegarding LLMs and "breaking containment" LLMs are fully dependent on humans; compute capability, memory usage, the inference software... but also the harness, which allows for the "tools" like unrestricted internet access or shell. This means that LLMs are *not a force of nature* - because of this, *humans are responsible*. We can prevent these breaches of containment, thus we are responsible if or when it happens, because - no matter how "unlikely" - things can and do go wrong, and someone still thought it would be worth whatever risk to enable these unsanitized tools.
- ernesto905 25d agoFriendly reminder that many wonderful artists and authors have Patreons, Ko-fi, or pay-pal. Finding these is typically a google search away and having a stable income is what allows them to create more art. You can even drop in a custom message when you donate!
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- elendilm 25d agoHilarious.
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- GuB-42 25d agoThere is an interesting case here with the "Hadopi" law in France, a particularly controversial anti-piracy law. They scan IP addresses for illegal filesharing and if it connects to your ISP, then you get a notification, and potentially get prosecuted for repeated offences. But they can't prosecute you for sharing that file, they don't know if it is you, someone in your household, a hacker, or that hypothetical rogue AI. Usually, committing crimes require intent, and it is up to the accusation to prove it, meaning it is quite difficult to prove you are actually a pirate. So instead they prosecute you for not securing your internet connection despite several notifications to do so. In practice, very few people got convicted, and it never got further than the equivalent of a traffic fine. In the end whole system was an expensive failure, and most of its power was reduced to sending scary emails and sometimes letters, as most of the more serious stuff was deemed unconstitutional.
- hollow-moe 25d agoFunniest part of that joke is the logo of the Hadopi agency used a non-licensed font.
- costa_fot 25d agoif your AI is not actively murdering people, is it even worth it?
- Dwedit 25d agoNah, it's not piracy, it's AI model training.
- ddmf 24d agoExtremely timely in that I just built a gluetun & qbittorrent container over the weekend - so many exe files...