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U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective
Earlier:
US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49464391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49464391 - (131 comments)
US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49451343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49451343 - (219 comments)
- CurbStomper 1mo ago[dead]
- Avicebron 1mo agoI clicked around a bit, read the manifesto, I still have no idea what these people do. I guess they claim to have been around for a while, but a bunch of the links don't work and the manifesto has definitely been updated to reflect 2026 opinions. What is this?
- pietervdvn 1mo agoThey host blogs and email used by many activists.
- napolux 1mo agoAutistici/Inventati is an Italian collective, active since around 2001, that runs free digital services for activists, grassroots groups and anyone who wants to communicate without being profiled. It provides email accounts, mailing lists, blogs, websites, chat and VPN access.
- nonethewiser 1mo ago[flagged]
- john_strinlai 1mo agothat would technically fall under the definition of "anyone", yes...
- nonethewiser 1mo ago[flagged]
- john_strinlai 1mo agoit would be more reasonable, maybe, if the sanctions weren't primarily being used for the anti-encryption, anti-privacy crusade.
- mrtesthah 1mo agoIs that more, or less, than the 1.2 million people Musk has killed so far with the illegal dismantlement of USAID? Musk aggressively advocates for the forcible ethnic cleansing of Europe. I see people posting links to x.com which he uses to promote those views as well as platform other hate groups calling for violence and genocide against immigrants, trans people, etc. Do acts gain moral validity under color of law alone?
- Mythli 1mo agowell USAID where I live finances regime changes and I guess these are very net negative in terms of lives killed. You see it everywhere.
- moron129 1mo agoDon't worry, the regime change part of USAID has been moved directly to Rubio in the State Department. Only the aid part has been removed.
- NoboruWataya 1mo agoThe "About" page seems fairly clear: > A/I was born over 20 years ago to provide internet support (through website hosting, e-mail accounts, mailing lists, chat, blogs, and much more) to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements.
- john_strinlai 1mo agoi thought the page says it pretty clearly. they are a group of people providing services to activists. services include email, web hosting, chat, and other anonymity services. (see https://www.inventati.org/services/ https://www.inventati.org/services/)
- gwbas1c 1mo agoDid you click on https://www.inventati.org/about https://www.inventati.org/about ? (I also tried reading the manifesto first.) From it: > We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism I suspect they have some "not mainstream" political views; although I think understanding what these views are requires more in-depth reading of the blogs that they host.
- mdp2021 1mo ago> some "not mainstream" political views I would say they are pretty "mainstream" (or very widespread) in some territories. I have seen bartenders wearing those 'anti-' terms on their t-shirts at work.
- culi 1mo agoAnti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, and anti-militarism? Good?
- mdp2021 1mo ago> Good? That will depend on what the bearers will want to mean with it, as usual.
- gwbas1c 1mo agoLabels (like anti-facism) often don't explain what the views are; they're just labels. We'd need to dig much deeper to understand what their views are. FWIW: I consider extreme leftists just as dangerous as the extreme right.
- jmalicki 1mo agoYeah, that says pretty much nothing about what they do. It reads like an enterprise tech company webpage saying "we provide solutions to help transform your company into the digital age".
- jpcfl 1mo agoIt is intentionally vague. From the State Dept: > The A/I Collective exclusively offers its tools and services to radical left-wing actors and manually vets all potential users for ideological affinity before granting them access to its infrastructure.
- KPGv2 1mo agoI don't trust the US State Department to tell the truth. At this point, it's like citing a Wikipedia edited entirely by bad faith actors.
- baobabKoodaa 1mo agoIn this case the US State Department is accurately reciting what this organization says about itself openly: https://www.inventati.org/about https://www.inventati.org/about
- culi 1mo ago> We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism. On top of that, one has to share our basic attitude towards money and the capitalistic world: a deep feeling of uneasyness and unrest. I don't see anything wrong with that. They make 0 money from this. It's 100% run by volunteers. They don't support any orgs that could afford to do it themselves. It's like if a group of you and your friends got together and gave tech support to any orgs that care about something you're passionate about (e.g. ending FPTP voting)
- baobabKoodaa 1mo ago[flagged]
- Arainach 1mo agoOpposing fascism and racism is not "radical left". It's centrism. The State Department's words are not A/I's.
- viccis 1mo agoThe US govt is trying to brand "antifascism" as a terrorist ideology. They host antifa stuff.
- includenotfound 1mo ago[flagged]
- logseman 1mo agoYou link to that press release like it means something more than changing a lake's name by fiat.
- pyth0 1mo agoAntifa is not one organization, that's ridiculous. It would be like claiming that "Anarchists" are a terrorist organization.
- includenotfound 1mo ago[flagged]
- SauciestGNU 1mo agoThe objection is the administration is inventing a group wholesale in order to designate those who oppose their policies as terrorists. The executive order can say whatever, that doesn't make it factual.
- feshbach 1mo ago[flagged]
- henearkr 1mo agoRidiculous. I am anti fascist, and I have never heard of any of what you are talking about. I oppose fascism. That does not magically infuse into my brain mysterious connections to groups of people, nor instantaneous knowledge and mastery of tactics from nazi groups... That would be actually kind of cool, but no, sorry to disappoint you.
- mechanicalpulse 1mo agoMaybe a honeypot?
- johnnyApplePRNG 1mo agoMost likely a honeypot.
- inigyou 1mo agoIf it was a honeypot it wouldn't be a sanctioned terrorist organisation.
- culi 1mo agoThe very first sentence on their about page says they "provide internet support (through website hosting, e-mail accounts, mailing lists, chat, blogs, and much more) to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements" It also says their manifesto was written in 2002. You can use the Wayback machine to see older versions.
- doginasuit 1mo agoFor what it's worth, the people I have known personally who talk like this don't actually do very much except talk like this. Then again, they have never been sanctioned by a government.
- inigyou 1mo agoThese guys provide web hosting and stuff. If you knew people who actually did actions, they'd be right in not telling you about their actions until they really really trusted you to defend them with your life. Loose lips sink ships when you're going against a government.
- mzhaase 1mo agoThey're just anti-capitalist nerds, example, they host Linux user groups in a couple cities, collect computers for schools etc.
- Shuang1 1mo agoThere's a lot of talking around this in the comment section for some reason: they allegedly provide infrastructure for recognized terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Palestine Action (the group that attacked UK air force bases).
- exiguus 1mo agoThere is also an article on we will free us [1] if you want to dive deeper into that rabbit hole. [1] https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defend-autistici-inventati-before-september-25/ https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defe...
- AndrewKemendo 1mo agoSeems like this should be a/the top level link
- badsectoracula 1mo agoThe article is quite long, but these two give a brief idea of what is going on: a) According to that article, what it seems they are about: > Its manifesto describes the project in explicitly political terms. A/I is antifascist, anti-capitalist and antimilitarist. It promotes free software, encryption, pseudonymity and the independent circulation of knowledge and cultural work. It reserves its limited, volunteer-run resources for people and projects broadly compatible with those principles rather than businesses, political parties, organized religions or institutions already possessing the means to make themselves heard. b) And the issue U.S. has with them: > The United States alleges that A/I supplies specialized digital architecture, encrypted communications and hosting to antifascist groups and other radical movements, including organizations already designated by the United States.
- nonethewiser 1mo ago[flagged]
- collabs 1mo agoFor those like me who don't have context, here is the New York Times article on this recent news / event https://archive.fo/e8Gss https://archive.fo/e8Gss > The State Department on Wednesday designated three groups based in Europe, including two that advocate Palestinian rights, as transnational terrorist organizations. > The move is part of the Trump administration’s fight against what it calls a “resurgence of far-left political terrorism” worldwide, a focus that many security experts say is disproportionate. > In a statement, the department said that it would impose sanctions on Palestine Action, which is based in Britain and organizes acts of support for Palestinians and opposition to Israeli policies; Masar Badil, another pro-Palestinian group with branches in Western Europe and Canada; and Autistici/Inventati, known as A/I Collective, which is based in Italy and offers free digital tools to leftist activists around the world. a/I collective in the OP is the third on this list. > based in Italy and offers free digital tools to leftist activists around the world
- galonk 1mo agoThank you! Kind of nuts they posted this with that title but no explanation.
- graemep 1mo agoPalestine Action has been designated a terrorist group in the UK as well after sabotaging military aircraft (the article says they sprayed paint, but does not say it was sprayed inside jet engines, rendering them inoperable). Masar Badil supports "armed struggle". One of the other groups ("hammer") recently designated a terrorist group (and linked to A/I Collective in another article I read ) got its name by attacking people in Germany with hammers. Designating A/I Collective a terrorist group is different as it is not directly supporting violence, but it is providing free services to people who do, and it says it provides services to groups its aim is to "provide support exclusively to individuals or groups we feel we have an affinity with.". On the other hand their terms forbid "military use" which is broadly defined enough to rule out terrorism. I think its likely they do have sympathy for violent groups, n the other hand, unless they have been going out of their way to support violence in some way I do not see reasonable grounds for banning them. Lots of commercial services have dodgy users. My fear is that is is heading in the direction of "if you do not hand info to the US authorities on demand you will be deemed a terrorist"
- aeon_ai 1mo agohttps://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10076 https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10076 - Direct link to the sanctions declaration. The actual Treasury Announce here - https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/ https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/ "The Autistici Inventati is an Italy-based far-left organization that provides a range of technological tools and services to violent left-wing extremist groups, including website hosting on foreign servers, encrypted email accounts, chat and video conferencing, and digital architecture associated with its “Noblogs” platform. Autistici Inventati identifies itself as an “anti-fascist” and “anti-militarist” organization opposed to capitalism and exclusively provides its services to vetted individuals, collectives, and groups it perceives to be aligned with its ideology, including to sanctioned terrorist organizations such as the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which has been designated by the United States, United Kingdom, and European Union for its use of terrorist tactics leading to thousands of deaths in Türkiye, Iraq, and Syria since its establishment in 1984. Autistici Inventati is being designated pursuant to E.O. 13224, as amended, for having materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods and services to or in support of, an act of terrorism."
- 32ikU 1mo agoHow quaint. The MEK (Iranian People's Mudjahheddin) were designated as a terrorist organization but collected money in EU streets all the time. Now they are useful against Khamenei. The US would also like to use the equivalent of the PKK in the large Kurdish part of Iran against Khamenei. Nothing to say of using the PKK rebranding of SDF in Syria as well as receiving "global terrorist" Al Jolani in the White House.
- etc-hosts 1mo agoUS cynically removed them from the Terrorists list in 2012. MEK is probably just 300 really old guys now, they have strict rules against marrying outside the org.
- AndrewKemendo 1mo ago[flagged]
- inigyou 1mo agoYep I just donated $1000
- AndrewKemendo 1mo agoNice! That’s genuinely worth praise
- aliasxneo 1mo agoCan I ask what you're hoping the organization does with that money? I'm genuinely interested in understanding what the expected outcome is.
- mdp2021 1mo agoServers, connection and maintenance costs... That is what they do. Read the manifesto. > We react by providing a platform and tools for digital self-defense addressing the need of free communication for activists and other individuals Yes, they select the users. But clearly to exclude services to those they would judge as bad actors!
- aliasxneo 1mo agoSo you're in it purely for freedom of expression? I can get behind that, but after reading further it doesn't seem like they are about that at all, but rather are extremely selective and it has nothing to do with "bad acting."
- mdp2021 1mo ago> reading further ... extremely selective and it has nothing to do with What paragraphs inclined you to think that?
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- grim_io 1mo agoI guess bombing them got some pushback. Everyone's a terrorist nowadays.
- Computer0 1mo agoIn times like these...
- ecshafer 1mo ago[flagged]
- tptacek 1mo agoWithout judging this or trying to axiomatically derive the logic, I think the claim here is that a/I knowingly and deliberately provides services to the PKK, which the US and the EU designate as a terrorist organization.
- jasonlotito 1mo agoMy understanding is that this is only coming from the US government. Do we have any reliable information to back this up? Because if it's just the US government, I can safely assume it's all lies.
- tptacek 1mo agoI have no idea, but --- non-normatively --- there is some signal to be gleaned from this particular provider being targeted and not other, better-known and more systemically important ones.
- inigyou 1mo agoThe signal is only that they are small enough the collateral damage is not too great for the government to bear.
- agentcoops 1mo agoIt’s more than that, I think. I read through the various government statements as I was curious about rationale and precedent: the other two groups impacted by the order are rather unambiguous extremists, so understandable. In the extended justification for this a/I group, the US gov lists a large number of US and EU “Antifa” groups that variously leverage their services, including one that the individual recently arrested for wiping his phone is meant to be connected to. It suggests to me this was the result of some considerable network analysis and that the intent is to now have stronger legal tools to go after those groups. I think that second (speculative, of course) step would be the more worrying precedent: if the use of technical infrastructure also used by designated groups was formally made to be incriminating/right-waiving. Why wouldn’t that apply to Signal, for example? The OP suggests the dividing line should be between true infrastructure open to all, including unsavory actors, versus tools that advertise services to a particular faction. It’s not an entirely disagreeable distinction, but I think in practice it’s rather fuzzy (Moxie of signal is/was rather far left himself, if I recall). EDIT: Re-reading the document, the state department emphasizes that a/I “manually vets all potential users.” OP’s distinction stands for now.
- rvz 1mo ago> Our financial strategy relies exclusively on voluntary donations. That is not a sustainable strategy in the long term. Sure after this news they will get lots of donations, but long term it is not something that is realistic. Since they are now "sanctioned" by the US you cannot legally donate to them even if you wanted to...*[0] [0] *Unless you now know why this collective needs crypto more than ever.
- john_strinlai 1mo ago>That is not a sustainable strategy in the long term they've been around 25 years, which is nothing to sneeze at
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- xyzal 1mo ago> Since they are now "sanctioned" by the US you cannot legally donate to them even if you wanted to...*[0] There are many of us who do not live in the US, so many still can. Just not through paypal.
- culi 1mo agoThat's not how US sanctions work. When the US sanctions something, nobody is allowed to donate to them. Basically any country that trades with the US (most) has to follow according to their trade deals. Any bank that wants to be in SWIFT must block any transfers
- 2legit2quit 1mo ago> Any bank that wants to be in SWIFT must block any transfers. Given that SWIFT is headquartered in Belgium and Italy's major bank is one of the 24 banks on the SWIFT board, how does this "blockade" in SWIFT happen? Is the inference that all of the banks bow down to the US, even though the US only represents 2 out of the 24 banks on the board?
- mmaunder 1mo ago[flagged]
- mrtesthah 1mo agoThey host blogs and digital infrastructure for autonomous anarchist/leftist collectives and are deeply connected to global free speech movements since their founding in 2001. If you expect to see a two sentence mission statement or a product summary, you’re going to be disappointed.
- mmaunder 1mo ago[flagged]
- drngdds 1mo agoThere's an "About" link on the top of the page and if you click it it fully explains what they do and for who in the first sentence of the first paragraph. You're getting a negative response because ignoring that and implying that they're secretly doing sketchy things makes it look like you're doing bad faith criticism
- mrtesthah 1mo agoReason.com is political. EFF.org is political. Anti-ChatControl sites are political. Do you flag those, too? If not, why not?
- adjejmxbdjdn 1mo agoFrom HN guidelines: > Off topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. So you’re incorrect. HN isn’t off bounds for all political posts, but yes, they do have to have an “interesting new phenomenon”. The U.S. sanctioning a decades old technology collective is clearly new. Whether it’s “interesting” I can’t speak to because that’s subjective to every individual, but that’s where the useful voting system comes in.
- InsideOutSanta 1mo ago
- tokai 1mo agoMaybe they should try couping the Italian government, rename themselves to Ragazzi Orgogliosi. That should help.
- ChrisArchitect 1mo agoActual link: https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10076 https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10076 Title: A Statement by A/I Collective About US Sanctions
- epolanski 1mo agoWhat does it entail, in practice? They are sanctioned, okay, and? What happens practically.
- tokai 1mo agoAnything between having their google profiles deleted to abducted and tortured at a CIA blacksite.
- john_strinlai 1mo agoin this case, it mostly means trouble getting money, as they are funded via donations
- criddell 1mo agoThe consequences may include the loss of: • Bank accounts and payment processing. • U.S.-linked donations and fundraising services. • Hosting, cloud infrastructure and upstream network services. • Domain registration and related technical services. • Certificate, security and email-delivery accounts. • Software and communications services. • Relationships with non-U.S. providers frightened by American secondary sanctions. • Access for people in the United States who currently use A/I’s services. https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defend-autistici-inventati-before-september-25/ https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defe...
- mrtesthah 1mo agoMy question now is whether European hosting providers sprouting up in the face of the US CLOUD act will step up to provide those services.
- inigyou 1mo agoNo, because they don't want to be banned from banks. With few exceptions, the US has power over all global financial systems. Also tier 1 ISPs (even the European ones), which trickles down to all ISPs.
- ChrisArchitect 1mo agoRelated discussions: US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49451343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49451343 US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49464391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49464391
- kevinthedigger 1mo ago[flagged]
- iamnothere 1mo agoEveryone’s missing the big picture here which is that this targeting of infrastructure providers as “terrorists” is unprecedented and concerning: https://decode39.com/16319/autistici-inventati-case-sets-a-new-counterterrorism-precedent-irdi-says/ https://decode39.com/16319/autistici-inventati-case-sets-a-n... If a radical group sets up shop on I2P, are I2P users and devs now terrorists? This is a problem. What about Monero users/devs? Veilid? Tox? Signal?
- kraken_cult 1mo agoIsn't it just as likely they are using facebook, instagram, and tiktok?
- nonethewiser 1mo ago[flagged]
- beej71 1mo agoAnd political neutrality isn't going to save anyone. Political alignment with the US government is what they're after.
- bjourne 1mo agoAre we going after free speech now?
- nonethewiser 1mo agoHolder v. Humanitarian Law Project ruled that knowingly providing material support to designated terrorist organizations is not protected by the first amendment. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/561/1 https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/561/1 But I'm curious about your take on this. How would you argue the first amendment protects this?
- inigyou 1mo ago
- mindslight 1mo agoKeep in mind we're talking about communications services here, and one focusing on political speech at that. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." In general I think the free lunch of centrally hosted services and persistent doxxable identities is nearing a close. It was inevitable that governments would meddle more, and more, and more - implicitly treating communications are something other than speech due to how encompassing the digital world has become - and now here we are.
- GolfPopper 1mo agoThe current United States government is very keen on pushing the idea that there is a vast and shadowy international left-wing conspiracy waging war on it. This is, to be clear, lying nonsense.
- mrguyorama 1mo agoAnd despite it being transparent garbage, millions of Americans are eagerly lapping up Red Scare 2.0
- nonethewiser 1mo ago[flagged]
- inigyou 1mo agoI support PKK because I run an IPFS node and I'm sure at least one person connected to PKK has uploaded at least one thing to IPFS at least one time. What's with you and your obsession with PKK? You probably support them too through some equally convoluted mechanism, but you're all over this thread saying anyone with any connection must be terminated.
- nonethewiser 1mo ago
- subvol 1mo agoseems like PIR (the .org registry) now also suspended their main domain: https://www.whois.com/whois/autistici.org https://www.whois.com/whois/autistici.org (it is on serverHold)
- timpera 1mo agoInteresting to see that their most important domain, noblogs dot org, seems unaffected.
- subvol 1mo agoI think the registrar makes the difference: autistici.org was registered via Gandi, but noblogs.org registrar is Tucows Domains Inc., which points[1] to njal.la, an "offshore" domain hoster that should be more resilient, but isn’t really usable for email hosting, since domains at such a hoster will land on blacklists almost immediately. [1]: https://tucowsdomains.com/provider-result/ https://tucowsdomains.com/provider-result/
- KomoD 1mo agoIt makes no difference when the registry (which is above registrars) is the one taking action.
- iuhoiuh 1mo ago[flagged]
- Nemo_bis 1mo agoFor reference: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en#serverHold https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-...
- hamburga 1mo agoAs far as I can tell, there were no credible criminal charges against this group, except that they are effective organizers on the opposite side of political spectrum. In the White House’s deranged logic, this qualifies them to be officially designated as domestic terrorists [1]. Can we all agree that this is an assault on the First Amendment? [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/designating-antifa-as-a-domestic-terrorist-organization/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/desi...
- CMay 1mo ago[flagged]
- senderista 1mo agoThat seems hugely speculative without any supporting evidence.
- polynomial 1mo agoTIL people still assume.
- CMay 1mo ago[flagged]
- nonethewiser 1mo ago[flagged]
- inigyou 1mo agoThe first amendment only applies inside the US. The US is allowed to cancel the speech of foreigners.
- actionfromafar 1mo agoAnd murder foreigners, of course. It's allowed in the Constitution!
- izolate 1mo ago[flagged]
- stonogo 1mo agoOf fascism, capitalism, and communism, only two are going concerns in these people's lives. If they're going to declare themselves "anti-communist" they might as well also take a strong vocal stance against ghosts and flying cars.
- ninjin 1mo agoIn my experience, groups like this have a fairly hostile relationship to State Communism as well. The Kronstadt rebellion for example is frequently cited [1]. But then you have groupings like Anarchist communists [2], which you would then risk lumping together with the anti-Communism part (not to mention that anti-Communism as a term is usually associated with forces staunchly opposed to people like this). Plus, if you are "only" anti-authoritarian, how do you suggest avoiding getting lumped together with Anarcho-capitalism? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism Furthermore, these organisations operate in what they perceive to be Fascist and/or Capitalist societies, so why state opposition to something that is not "there" and has been pretty much gone from the global scene for nearly forty years? In conclusion, yes, you have a point. But given the reasons above I find it really hard to get worked up over it and Anarchists do not generally get along with Leninists, Stalinists, or Maoists anyway.
- gverrilla 1mo agoClueless.
- JohnTHaller 1mo agoGiven administration's obsession with Antifa being in the room with them at all times, it's impossible to take anything they say in relation to this as even close to factual.
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- nonethewiser 1mo agoand another
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- OKRainbowKid 1mo agoAnti-fascism is reaction to fascism, it's in the name, even.
- shadowtree 1mo agoAntifa is a leftist movement, nowhere on this planet is not anti-capitalist. The two flags in the logo, black and red, represent the anarchist and the communist movement. Marxism came first. Mussolini was a Marxist, then developed Fascism as a reaction to it. When Marxist talk about "reactionary forces", what do you think it means?
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- mftrhu 1mo agoThank you. Almost didn't recognize the name, as upside-down as it was.
- Jackpillar 1mo agowhoosh
- gnuplustoejam 1mo ago[flagged]
- bjourne 1mo agohttps://freethoughtblogs.com/atrivialknot/2026/05/05/the-goomba-fallacy/ https://freethoughtblogs.com/atrivialknot/2026/05/05/the-goo...
- inigyou 1mo agoDo you see how a removal from a private app store, while bad, is different from an arrest or a sanction?
- zmgsabst 1mo agoParler experienced a government coordinated shutdown across app stores and infrastructure providers like AWS. I’m not sure what distinction you’re trying to make, when their infrastructure (AWS) was shut off due to the government labeling them terrorists due to some users (who Parler had banned) using the service.
- inigyou 1mo agoDid the government force AWS to shut them off or just ask nicely? Hard to say. Any message from the government comes with implied threats. We'd only find it which was the case, if AWS had refused and the government had either punished AWS or not. Can you see how it's different from an explicit sanction or an arrest?
- phainopepla2 1mo agoIn some ways (not all, of course) an implicit demand from the government is worse than an explicit one. An explicit one at least puts all the cards on the table.
- inigyou 1mo ago
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- ball_of_lint 1mo agoSame. I wonder if there's something I don't understand here? But afaict it doesn't seem to involve autistic people in particular?
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- bsian 1mo agoIn threads about the Russian war if you mention that the US has done worse your comments are removed and people complain about "whataboutism". In this thread, on the other hand, people keep bringing up that the US has done worse but those comments are upvoted and there is no mention of "whataboutism" in the entire thread.
- TiredOfLife 1mo ago> US has done worse They have not.
- r053bud 1mo agoThey have.
- senderista 1mo agothe asymmetric deployment of "whataboutism!" is hypocrisy about hypocrisy
- etc-hosts 1mo agoThis is getting too big to ignore and is leaking into mainstream popular culture. In the most popular streaming show atm (new season of Reacher), a main plot point is CIA and State Department and Green Berets involvement in a village massacre in Indonesia in the 90s (in the land of the tv show), this is of course a reference to the CIA and State Department indirectly murdering 1 million Indonesians 1965-1966.
- henearkr 1mo agoWhich of Trump or Putin is worse is irrelevant. Trump's US is maybe on par with Putin's Russia, maybe better or maybe worse (which depends on which aspect is looked at). That cannot deter us from fighting against what is bad in both of them. This is NOT a competition nor a championship about which dictatorship can inflict the most pain and destruction to the world. Nobody is rooting for such a "winner". Criticize all the despicable actions of such stinky regimes, regardless of if they are in Putin's Russia, in Trump's US, or wherever else. We are NOT in a race to the bottom. We shall never forget our values, as Humans and as Earth-dwellers.
- dudefeliciano 1mo agoThe question stays the same: “are you antifa or are you fa?”
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- Varelion 1mo agoRemember, Trump and his cultists are symptoms -- not the cause. I.E. Cuba's embargo was in place long before the orange buffoon, and that is the same force at play here. Fear that the people will get a taste of a fairer, more just alternative. > “are you antifa or are you fa?”
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- cvalkz 1mo agoCould the persons that mention the PKK all over this thread kindly find links now that noblogs.org is partly dysfunctional and autistici.org is down? Google Search yields a very small amount of third party support for the PKK, all unreachable now. I cannot find any evidence at all and neither can LLMs that this organization has ever directly supported the PKK or hosted a PKK website.
- culi 1mo agoIt can't be because of a PKK link because then the US would have to designate themselves as terrorist. They literally armed and supplied to YPG to fight ISIS. The Kurds proved to be the most effective at stopping ISIS
- inigyou 1mo agoIt's because the US hates everyone who disagrees with it, and the PKK thing is just a rationalisation, like when Musk says he banned people from X to support free speech.
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- Nemo_bis 1mo agoAs Matthew Petti wrote, «Some people, it seems, are friendly enough to have an audience with cabinet officials, yet too dangerous to have an email address». https://reason.com/2026/08/27/rubio-uses-terrorism-law-to-ban-secure-email-service/ https://reason.com/2026/08/27/rubio-uses-terrorism-law-to-ba...
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- mdp2021 1mo ago> Only months after Paranoia [their first server] went online, the G8 came to Genoa. Many A/I participants were also involved with Indymedia Italy. They helped construct the movement’s media center, laying cables, configuring servers and building workstations through which protesters could report what was happening across the city. What followed was historic: enormous demonstrations, the police killing of Carlo Giuliani, indiscriminate beatings in the streets, torture and abuse inside the Bolzaneto barracks and the nighttime raid on the Diaz school. Official narratives competed with photographs, recordings and firsthand testimony transmitted through independent infrastructure. Genoa became one of the earliest major demonstrations to be documented from nearly every direction by its participants rather than exclusively through institutional media. https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2 https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2 Very curious. My latest submission is the video of Larry Ellison with the "The police will be on their best behavior[,] Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on". (It was triggered by a piece on TheOnion.) Turns out, other people had been recording events, so that a covering narrative may not prevail over the truth.
- cdrnsf 1mo agoThis administration is on a witch hunt for anything they can identify as "antifa" when no such central organization insists. Instead it's being used as an over broad label to attack organized opposition to it's broadly unpopular policy agenda. (If you're opposed to antifascists what does that make you?)
- einpoklum 1mo ago> when no such central organization insists No any such organization exists. It is a movement, and a description one can describe one's self or actions: "anti-fascist". But of course, their logic for sanctioning-by-association would mean that they all - Trump, Bessent, Rubio etc. - with their innumerable contacts with "violent terrorist groups and regimes" everywhere around the world, and just themselves really - should have been sanctioned, arrested, tried, or just disposed of like the US does with so many it dislikes.
- cdrnsf 1mo agoYes. The president fomented a violent insurrection and then pardoned its participants (who should all still be in prison). He shouldn't be in office and you could similarly sanction his own social media platform, X and any other number of their supporters.
- einpoklum 1mo agoWell, maybe that too, but I meant the Gaza genocide and the slaughter of civilians in Iran, Yemen, on Venezuelan boats etc.
- einpoklum 1mo agoLinks to the actual announcements of sanctions: * https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/ https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/ * https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/08/designation-of-autistici-inventati-as-a-specially-designated-global-terrorist/ https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... And - the list of people that were originally put in this category when G.W. Bush issued this executive order has 29 people/organizations: Usama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaida, and various affiliated/related organizations. So, yesterday it was Bin-Laden, today it is some Italian left-wing tech guys, and tomorrow it might well be you or me. Get ready to be branded a terrorist at some point.
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- happosai 1mo agoThe point is not what kind of policies the "radical left" tech guys had. The point is they had quarter century run in which law enforcement in Italy could not find anything illegal in their actions. And The current US administration was like "we don't care that running a webserver for activists is legal in Italy, we will just declare them terrorists". Which is precisely why it's important that criminals and even terrorists have rights and due process. Else they can just declare YOU a terrorist and suddenly you have no rights.
- einpoklum 1mo ago> Very far to the left, Well, a proto-fascist government would consider hosting anti-fascist websites as being "far left".
- culi 1mo agothe group: https://web.archive.org/web/20260101085655/https://www.autistici.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260101085655/https://www.autis... > A/I (Autistici/Inventati, pronounced [au’tistiʧi]-[iŋ’vɛntati], or [iŋvɛn’tati]) was born in 2001 from an encounter of individuals and collectives of the autonomous anticapitalist movement interested in technology and active in the digital rights struggle. We believe that this world is far from being the best world possible. We react by providing a platform and tools for digital self-defense addressing the need of free communication for activists and other individuals. > All of our services are provided for free, without any form of control or commoditization of the personal user data. We don’t receive any form of compensation for our work. We are volunteers exploiting the experiences we accumulated over years of technological, political and legal research while doing radical activism, and we are motivated and inspired by the principles of solidarity and self organization. From their about page: > A/I was born over 20 years ago to provide internet support (through website hosting, e-mail accounts, mailing lists, chat, blogs, and much more) to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements. Our principles are fairly straightforward: the world should not be run on money, should be rooted in solidarity, community, mutual help, equal rights and freedom, and social justice. Easy, isn’t it? We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism. On top of that, one has to share our basic attitude towards money and the capitalistic world: a deep feeling of uneasyness and unrest.
- dyauspitr 1mo agoThe biggest free speech violation I can imagine.
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- nickyisonline 1mo agoLaugh in what way?
- spullara 1mo agoi wouldn't characterize it as very expensive or even expensive. it is in fact super cheap. even in italy.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 1mo agoMaybe help donate then? 13000 Euro is a lot of money to poor people
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- wilburx3 1mo agoDon't worry guys, fascist are always looking out for free speech. What was that... muummuummmmemmmeuuuu... BANG
- svobodamartin 1mo agoDo I see "Free palestine" in the corner there?
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- yyyk 1mo agoWell, the State Dept is anything but vague about its argument: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/08/designation-of-autistici-inventati-as-a-specially-designated-global-terrorist/ https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... "The A/I Collective exclusively offers its tools and services to radical left-wing actors and manually vets all potential users for ideological affinity before granting them access to its infrastructure. The group has become a key node in a transnational campaign by violent and criminal far-left networks to destabilize the United States and its partners across Europe, the Western Hemisphere, and beyond...." "The anarchist cells responsible for sabotaging rail systems across France, Italy, Germany, and the Netherlands in 2026, relied on A/I Collective tools and services to claim responsibility for the attacks, publish official communiqués, and disseminate manuals for constructing improvised incendiary devices to target railways and other critical infrastructure. The anarchist cell responsible for sabotaging the Transalpine Pipeline (TAL) in March 2026, which temporarily halted crude oil flows to Austria, Germany, and the Czech Republic, relied on A/I Collective tools and services to claim responsibility for the attack and publish official communiqués, as well as to disseminate a manifesto calling for additional attacks on critical infrastructure and referring adherents to another A/I Collective platform, which provides detailed sabotage manuals as well as maps of vulnerable critical infrastructure across North America. The far-left extremist network responsible for multiple arson attacks and acts of sabotage against Germany’s rail and energy infrastructure between 2011 and 2026, including a January 2026 attack on Berlin’s power grid that cut power to 45,000 households and resulted in a fatality, relied on A/I Collective tools and services to claim responsibility for attacks, publish official communiques, and disseminate a manifesto calling for additional attacks on energy infrastructure worldwide."
- megous 1mo agoSo the argument is that it's a communication platform? With such "specifically designed" tools to enable "terrorist activity", such as "encrypted messaging" and other dual-use technologies such as: "a website", "an email". With such strong proof as "A far-left extremist media group ... relies on A/I ... to publish official communiqués and calls to action for [various organizations]" This is what we in the business call a direct proof A/I materially supports Hezbollah terrorist actions. Clear direct link, simply because all alternate explanations are impossible. Everyone is happy that americans saved the day, again! State Dept so in the clear that in this "This same group was recently cited in a federal criminal complaint against a domestic terrorist who was sentenced to 19 years in prison for targeting a federal building and police car with improvised explosive devices." they don't name the group nor the "terrorist" because if one would check, improvised explosive device would turn out to be a molotov. So Casey Goonan throws molotov at a police car -> Abolition Media (the unnamed group) publishes some claims about the attack -> A/I, a comm platform provider on another continent now suddenly provides "material support for violent extremism" in the US, just because Abolition Media used its blog infra. Cool story. Despite both links being tenous at best. And such it will be with lot of other claims in there, given that US is led by absolute clauns and psychos currently.
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- fesoliveira 1mo agoAh, yes, never mind the hundreds of documented far right MAGA supporters that got video taped during the protest storming the Capitol, being violent towards police and destroying public property without masks and being easily identifiable. They were clearly infiltrated antifa wearing realistic masks to tarnish the reputation of real patriots!
- throwitaway222 1mo ago> We believe that this world is far from being the best world possible This is like straight out of every evil villains mouth.
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- wuming2 1mo agoDid they find evidence of weapons of mass destruction? No? It should be soon then.
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- epsteingpt 1mo agoSad, but this deplatforming nonsense was always going to cut both ways. The slippery slope continues.
- inigyou 1mo agoCan you elaborate?
- anovikov 1mo agoIt's hard to imagine how anything like this can legally exist anywhere within legal reach of Western system. Indeed liberty has gone too far.
- inigyou 1mo agoAnything like what? The blogs, or the sanctions?
- anovikov 1mo agoA movement that openly supports "Palestine" and gets surprise when they get sanctioned.
- inigyou 1mo agoI still find your comment hard to parse. It's hard to imagine that anyone still supports Palestine in the west? This group's been sanctioned and persecuted and prosecuted on a smaller scale many times for hosting speech. I think this is the biggest so far, but by no means unique.
- anovikov 1mo agoSomeone who supports Palestine should not be surprised finding themselves on the receiving end of every legal trouble. It's perplexing how are they still allowed at all.
- giov4 1mo agoAs from Wikipedia reference to Webster Dictionary in "Definitions of Fascism": "a: any program for setting up a centralized autocratic national regime with severely nationalistic policies, exercising regimentation of industry, commerce, and finance, rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of opposition. b: any tendency towards or actual exercise of severe autocratic or dictatorial control (as over others within an organization)" "rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of opposition" is what this is. As specifically and publicly declared actions against a group defining itself as "anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and anti-militarism". if this isn't matching fascism oppression against anti-fa then what is it? additionally as context the short history link with more facts is even clearer: https://www.inventati.org/who/collective https://www.inventati.org/who/collective "After 2005 we have been constantly pestered by prosecutors and security forces (and even by the Vatican! [4]) asking us to hand over users’ data and identities and we are proud to say we were always able to answer: we are sorry, but we do not have them.
- Fnoord 1mo agoBella ciao.
- giov4 1mo ago[...] E le genti che passeranno Ti diranno «Che bel fior! [...] È questo il fiore del partigiano morto per la libertà!
- elmer2 1mo agonoblogs encourages and hosts violence and other terrorist activities. They doxx people they don't like and pass around kids schools/addressess/home addresses/names of spouses, for the sole purpose of violence. They had a flier for 'laser tag' hosted there, which was a group meet to flash laser pointers in the faces of ICE agents. I've been following this 'collective' since 2016. It's about time the US did something about it.
- giov4 1mo ago>noblogs encourages and hosts violence and other terrorist activities. how does it encourage it? can you show an example? >They had a flier for 'laser tag' hosted there what does this mean? >which was a group meet to flash laser pointers in the faces of ICE agents. Which group? reference? link? examples? >I've been following this 'collective' since 2016. It's about time the US did something about it. well this explains a lot about your point of view, but can you expand or prove your above statements?
- inigyou 1mo agoLaser pointers are the limit for violence, huh? I have to assume you're talking about shining them in people's eyes because I don't see otherwise how that could be considered violence at all. Did you know common laser pointers are considered eye-safe because they are weak enough that your blink reflex protects your eye from damage?
- trinsic2 1mo agoWow sounds like a great organization. Any organization on a sanction list from this criminal government is a friend of mine.
- inigyou 1mo agoThe best thing you, the reader, can do us create something like this. Doesn't have to be massive, there just have to be enough copies they can't sanction everyone. Second best thing is give them money ASAP since they're going to be unable to receive it in two weeks.
- inigyou 1mo agoDoesn't have to be this exact thing. Just anything that inconveniences the ruling class. Anything from deflock to the pirate bay, and preferably not a copy of something that currently exists unless you can mirror its data.