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Waymo in Dallas
- rawgabbit 3mo agoNo freeways. But Waymo now is available to all of Dallas? Does that include the suburbs?
- nolastan 3mo agoIt's open to _everyone in Dallas_, not available _in all of Dallas_.
- advisedwang 3mo agoOpen to all people, not open to all roads.
- dminvs 3mo agolooks like Bishop Arts -> Fair Park -> White Rock -> NW Hwy -> Hampton/Inwood, with a weird section jutting out toward Irving along 114 so, no suburbs, only enclaves
- cco 3mo agoI believe they paused freeways everywhere because they drove through some construction (or didn't handle construction zones well).
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- klaff 3mo agoSuperbs?
- quxbar 3mo agoHere in Austin, I'm stuck calling an uber and hoping I get a Waymo. When does that deal expire?
- seltzered_ 3mo agoWhen the girls breakup prolly: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-07-15/uber-and-waymo-are-sparring-the-robotaxi-future-has-arrived https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-07-15/uber-a...
- hexis 3mo agoIt is so so so so so so bad to have to risk an uber every time I want to hire a Waymo.
- flatline 3mo agoI have still not gotten a Waymo even once. I am in the service area. I don't use the service frequently, just enough to be disappointed.
- adrianmonk 3mo agoIt ends in 2028: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/24/uber-and-waymo-to-end-exclusivity-arrangement-in-atlanta-and-austin.html https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/24/uber-and-waymo-to-end-exclus...
- baggachipz 3mo agoThat's also when the partnership with Rivian really takes off. Uber clearly wants its own fleet of robotaxis; they already unsuccessfully burnt a lot of money on it years ago. Looks like they're content letting other companies take the risk while helping fund them.
- overfeed 3mo agoUber also partners with Zoox and Lucid on self-driving, missing this wave may be an existential risk, so they aren't putting eggs in one basket. Nevermind a level of duress due to the Uber/Waymo partnership being (almost certainly) part of a settlement agreement regarding alleged IP theft from Google by way of Anthony Levandowki. > ...they already unsuccessfully burnt a lot of money on it years ago It was for the best; the Kalanick-era company culture wasn't (/isn't?) compatible with the levels of public trust required for successful self driving.
- semiquaver 3mo ago> Dallasites Is that seriously the demonym? Terrible. Try harder, Dallasites.
- chasd00 3mo agobetter than "cityofhate" which is what we're called most of the time.
- triceratops 3mo agoUnderstandable, I'd also hate to live in Dallas /s
- behnamoh 3mo agoIn all fairness, I've noticed people here in Dallas/TX are indeed more racist than the East and West coast cities, esp. towards brown people.
- mchusma 3mo agoI thought it was a typo, or strange url at first.
- gryfft 3mo agoDallasians? Dallasers? Dallaslets? Dallards?
- CalRobert 3mo agoDalwegians?
- JacobAsmuth 3mo agoDallonians
- dyauspitr 3mo agoDallamites, Dallsatians
- stronglikedan 3mo ago
- daemonologist 3mo agoService area: https://support.google.com/waymo/answer/9059119?hl=en#DAL https://support.google.com/waymo/answer/9059119?hl=en#DAL
- matthavener 3mo agoOne admirable part of Waymo's service area in Dallas is it serves areas previously devalued by racist redlining. This is in contrast to Uber's Avride and Tesla's Robotaxi offerings, which stick only to the richer, whiter areas of Dallas https://techcrunch.com/2025/12/03/uber-and-avride-launch-robotaxi-service-in-dallas/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/12/03/uber-and-avride-launch-rob... https://dallasinnovates.com/tesla-launches-robotaxis-in-dallas-and-houston/ https://dallasinnovates.com/tesla-launches-robotaxis-in-dall...
- judge2020 3mo agoI doubt the geofence exclusion is because of the demographics of those areas and not the demand for autonomous vehicles in those areas, although I don't doubt the latter is a result of the former.
- seltzered_ 3mo agoSomething to hold in mind are the issues with scaling out to new cities in terms of safety risks: https://junkoyoshidaparis.substack.com/p/rapid-scaling-turns-into-av-achilles https://junkoyoshidaparis.substack.com/p/rapid-scaling-turns...
- yieldcrv 3mo agoWaymo sells itself People hate human drivers more than they hate the idea of AI drivers https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/04/business/uber-sexual-assault-lawsuits.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/04/business/uber-sexual-assa...
- bicx 3mo agoIt’s an extremely consistent experience, and you can sit in the front seat (something I like personally). With Uber and taxi services, you never know what kind of driver or ride you’re going to get.
- ooopsss 3mo agoUber is at least 1000x better than traditionally taxi, without any rating system.
- sbuttgereit 3mo agoThey use to be (along with Lyft). But it's been a very long time since that was clearly true. In reality I think you can get better experiences than a taxi with a rideshare service (which they really haven't been for a very long time), but it's very hit or miss. So less consistently bad as a taxi service... but far from consistently good.
- giancarlostoro 3mo agoThe real test is, can these self-driving cars drive I-4 without getting into any sort of wreck? https://www.worldatlas.com/places/the-most-dangerous-highways-in-the-united-states.html https://www.worldatlas.com/places/the-most-dangerous-highway...
- yieldcrv 3mo agothey don’t do highways in general, very limited access. could change at any time though especially as some cities have no other route
- elianaive 3mo agoKeeps on being rolled out in red states while being delayed in blue states, quite unfortunate.
- dmitrygr 3mo ago"Maybe it's something you've got that they haven't got." - Owen Kellogg
- mrtesthah 3mo agoIs it unfortunate, though?
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- wwalexander 3mo agoWhat “anti-science slopulism” are you referring to? And what does corporate rollout strategy have to do with science?
- xnx 3mo agoHistory of being anti-nuclear. Now against "AI" and self driving cars because they like trains.
- wwalexander 3mo agoSelf driving cars and AI aren’t science. Not sure what being pro or anti nuclear or AI has to do with corporate rollout strategy.
- km3r 3mo agoThe science shows self driving cars are already safer. The same was (and is) true of nuclear compared to oil/gas.
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- Geezus_42 3mo agoDallas drivers are bad enough already...
- hmokiguess 3mo agoMissed opportunity to say "Open to Y'all"
- BugsJustFindMe 3mo ago"Open to All Y'all"
- raddan 3mo agoIsn't there supposed to be a liaison in there? "Open to Alls Y'all"
- BugsJustFindMe 3mo agoIt's not French! Hmm. Maybe in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Texas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Texas?
- proteal 3mo agoHere’s my understanding as a native Texan with examples (don’t take this too seriously): Y’all -> group of people (howdy yall) All y’all -> everyone (all yall need to listen up!) All’s yall -> only thing (alls yall need is another beer) All y’all’s -> singular possessive of everyone’s stuff (put all y’all’s shit away) All’s y’all’s -> plural possessive of everyone’s stuff (alls y’all’s cars are blocking me in). This one is a bit awkward and most people just use all y’all’s instead
- breckenedge 3mo agoService area is still miniscule.
- xnx 3mo agoGotta start somewhere. Still bigger than any competitor.
- Sheeny96 3mo agoWhy are the cars so big? Wouldn't it make sense to have a bunch of much smaller, single person vehicles?
- jwpapi 3mo agoI’m thinking that since 2015. Like BMW C1 just with doors on the side and a bit more security. This would approx allow 3-4x as many travellers on a given route compared to traditional cars.
- grim_io 3mo agoA C1 with more security, meaning more material and air between you and a potential high-speed obstacle, is called a car and is sized like one.
- jwpapi 3mo agoFair point. I still think you could build single person cars that are more secure than traditional cars and use less space and energy
- cortesoft 3mo agoWhy would it make more sense? It isn't like a car half the size would cost half as much, but it would severely limit the capacity. Now, you can get a waymo for 1-4 people, but if some (or all) were single occupant, you would be limited. Being smaller does not help that much much in cost per mile, but has a big cost for functionality.
- smt88 3mo agoSFC costs don’t scale linearly with volume or number of seats. The cameras, LIDAR, and sensors are all fixed costs. You need them on even a single-person car. And they’re extremely costly.
- arccy 3mo agoAmericans are fat, they don't fit.
- ape4 3mo agoAnyone with a credit card
- Cider9986 3mo agoIt does seem necessary to have cameras inside driverless cars but I don't want to if Google is running the show. Your biometrics will probably be stored for "enforcing Google's policies" at a minimum [1]. And then a Waymo dropped teenagers off at the police? I don't care if that was a human, I don't want no snitch car service [2]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49027861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49027861 [2] https://www.404media.co/waymo-called-police-on-teens-san-mateo/ https://www.404media.co/waymo-called-police-on-teens-san-mat...
- Rebelgecko 3mo agoUnfortunately doing drive-bys is also a TOS violation for Uber and Lyft
- arjie 3mo agoSurprisingly low hype for a company running perhaps the most advanced consumer-interactive robots. I’m quite fond of these machines and will periodically rescue them when someone has misused them (door not closed, most commonly). Hope they do well. Very good road participants.
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- padolsey 3mo agoPeople seem so used to it now. I love them, I think they're probably one of the most exciting tech I've used in the last ten years. They're also like magical little rescue pods when socially overwhelmed in a busy city.
- 121789 3mo agothe easiest way to understand their value is to be a pedestrian. it is insane how quickly you realize how safe and careful they are vs. humans. the "bugs" with getting stuck in intersections and stuff like that means very little to me if I can bike or cross a crosswalk with confidence
- panick21_ 3mo agoEasiest to understand their value as a pedestrian in a place that doesn't care about pedestrian and looks at their deaths as irrelevant. We know a lot about how to improve road safety for pedestrians, but its just not valued in some places. Replacing 100s of millions of cars with smart robot is not safety solution. Actually improving road safety with cheap well proven methods is the solution.
- dtdynasty 3mo agoI agree if the money was given to organizations which would actually effectively use the money to make road safety changes. But with this form of claim I always come back to the idea this was originally funded by corporations. I don't think the opportunity cost of corporate funding is public infrastructure unless it's profit motivated. So if it makes safety improvements at low safety per $ I still support it because its opportunity cost is more likely ads or other corporate investments.
- airstrike 3mo agoI love Waymo. The only problem I have with it is that it further siphons wages from local economies into Silicon Valley, beyond what Uber/Lyft already did.
- boc 3mo agoYou could argue that cheaper/safer local rideshare would boost traffic to local bars and restaurants in denser areas though. If you want to keep the $ local, just add an AV tax that goes to the city.
- TripolitianFish 3mo agoYou certainly could argue that! As you could argue any number of contrived political inferences which are more fun to think about than be of any real use.
- cortesoft 3mo agoI live very close to LAX, and we have hundreds of Waymos in our area. At first i was a little weary, and kinda weirded out by all of them. They have become completely normal, and cause WAY fewer traffic incidents than human drivers. They are very predictable, and will always let you pull in front of them when changing lanes (unlike a lot of other LA drivers). I have seen a few incidents where they seem 'stuck', and it was a bit annoying and kind of funny, but again, it does not happen nearly as often as for human drivers. I also like taking them. It is nice to just get in and relax and not have to talk to anyone or worry about who is going to pick you up. You can control the temperature and music from your phone, you can drop the pin exactly where you want to be dropped off and picked up, and the ride is smooth and comfortable. We can debate all the knock on effects of Waymos, but the user experience is pretty great.
- YKutsev 3mo agoBeen in a Waymo in SF — impressive tech. But I keep wondering: does the math actually work? Car + all the sensors + maintenance + mapping. Can a single vehicle ever turn a profit?
- twosdai 3mo agoI thought about this as well. The dsytopian world I think will exist in the future where the Waymo is priced higher and people will want to take it more, over a cheaper Uber. Precisely because the human driver is removed from the equation. So yes, I think they will be able to turn a profit by charging more for the experience. Which is a humanless car.
- jerlam 3mo agoAt least in my area, Waymos are always more expensive than Ubers.
- fragmede 3mo agoSo, uh, you don't really tip your Uber drivers much then do you? Right now, Tuesday 3pm, Waymo will cost me 13.76 cross town. UberX 10.95, Lyft 11.95. If I don't tip Lyft/Uber they'll be cheaper but I definitely don't tip the Waymo.
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- chrisXOXO 3mo agoI am really wondering, how they tackle the long trail problem of unknown situations. Sure they are monitor them constantly but I am asking precisely, how to handle situations that occur ridiculously infrequently: do they sample them 1000x in sim? Or do they use a different model and track uncertainty in the model constantly? How to get another 0 between the dot and the percent sign in situations where the model makes the wrong choice with a significant probability?
- jdlshore 3mo agoThere was an article a while back that talked about their simulated world model. It has the ability to do things like floods, elephants on the road, etc.
- mridulmalpani 3mo agoI love waymo, but it's very costly compared to Uber.
- 0xWTF 3mo agoDear American government regulators: nationwide autonomous driving is proving to be easier than delivering fiber to every home. Why do you hate Americans?
- alexjray 3mo agoCan't wait for this in my town. I also can't wait to see people freak out over them.
- vb-8448 3mo agoI'm just curious how it works on the legal side: if a human run the red light he gets a fine, who gets fined with a waymo car? If the car I'm in cause a big damage or kill someone? I guess the damage will be paid by the insurance but whom insurance? Mine or waymos? And what about criminal implications? Insurance doesn't cover thoose for sure.
- skybrian 3mo agoIt should be the same as for any public transport: it's the service operator's responsibility to run the system. The rider doesn't need insurance. I imagine Google has enough money that they can self-insure. Particularly since it's a very low accident rate.
- vb-8448 3mo agoWhat about criminal implications? PS: i guess the insurance on self diving cars is a little bit different and the accident rate is only part of the picture. Just an example: humans don't get hacked.
- xnx 3mo agoSimilar legal profile to an elevator when they stopped being operated by people.
- SR2Z 3mo agoI would imagine that criminal liability for hacking a Waymo falls on the hacker, and on Waymo only if they are negligent.
- surajrmal 3mo agoIf someone holds a gun to your head and tells you to run a red light, who is liable? Humans can get persuaded to do illegal things by criminals just as well.
- ssl-3 3mo agoCriminal implications of... what, exactly? Please state your concerns.
- pyaamb 3mo agoElon may have been technically correct about 'if humans can do it with vision only then theres no reason why vision-only cannot work' but turned out to be the wrong strategy for learning how to get there. lidar gives you a constant stream of data to check your vision yourself against and interatively learn. Once trained you turn it off. whereas teslas strategy ended up having to rely on human drivers for error feedback which made the learning loop way longer.
- alex1138 3mo agoElon annoys me. Waymo has AFAICT simply a better safety record than Tesla. And he runs SpaceX...?
- heaney-555 3mo agoIt's far far too early to say whether it turned out to be wrong. Tesla also has a robotaxi service in Dallas, FWIW, in testing.
- weatherlite 3mo agoIn testing. Waymo though is serving millions of rides for years now. Not saying Tesla won't close this gap but there's a real gap.
- heaney-555 3mo agoWaymo does 4 million rides per month. Uber does 1 billion, for reference. There's still a long, long way to go. Waymo has proven it can operate a high-priced service in a handful of cities in good weather, it hasn't yet demonstrated true scale and affordability.
- Sivart13 3mo agoWhy would we want to have robot cars that only drive as good as humans can?
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- InfiniteRand 3mo agoI wonder how they would handle a freak snowstorm
- bitsoda 3mo agoProbably the same way they handle our summer monsoons in Miami: they shut down the service until conditions clear.
- massysett 3mo agoHow do the cars do when breaking a rule is necessary? For instance, a car is broken down in the one forward lane of a two-lane road, requiring the waymo to cross the double-yellow line to get around it. Or, a signal is red for so long that obviously its car detector isn’t working.
- varenc 3mo agoIt handles these circumstances. Definitely seen it cross to the other side with oncoming traffic to get around a truck blocking a lane. For the signal light, never experienced that, but I imagine after awhile it'd figure it out. Possibly with the assistance of a remote human telling it.
- lokar 3mo agoI was in one stopped as the first car at a red light. The next section of road was full of cars waiting on another red light. Our light changed to green and the Waymo waited until the next red turned green and then proceeded into the intersection in anticipation of the cars ahead moving.
- culi 3mo agoThis urbanist youtuber did a really in-depth video on what the future could look like (both good and ugly effects) if self-driving cars become enough of a success to affect the way we build infrastructure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040ejWnFkj0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040ejWnFkj0
- redox99 3mo agoI watched a bit of it and it's mostly stating their own conjectures as facts. There's nothing objective about it, it's just pushing their own personal agenda.
- culi 3mo agoUrbanist youtubers inevitably come to mix in some advocacy in their videos. You'd be hard-pressed to find one that isn't critical of car-centric design. That being said, NJB is a well-respected educational youtuber and all their videos are built on a lot of research Even if you don't agree with the advocacy part of it, I think it's still valuable to watch to get the "urban planning professional" perspective on it
- preommr 3mo agoOf course it's Not Just Bikes. I used to be frustrated at their poorly thought-out arguments until I realized none of it matters. The videos are made for a certain demographic to jerk off about their special interests. The real world is going to move on and stuff is going to get implemented. These people and their opinions have no real world impact and don't matter outside of their niche little social groups. Self driving cars will happen, and not because "billionaires and big companies with lots of money", but because it'll provide increased automation. It'll make it easier for people to get from point A to point B, even if it's not using buses that people like NJB and his ilk are for some reason obsessed with.
- xnx 3mo agoAgree. Like many movements, "urbanism" stopped being about safe, convenient, affordable transportation and became primarily about catering to anti-car absolutists and self-promotion.
- cft 3mo agoGood case for shorting Uber longer term. The Persian taxi driver may be a good exec but he lost the race
- pm90 3mo agoDFW is amongst the top 5 metroplexes in the US and is extremely low density, high sprawl with few public transit options and a car heavy culture. This is a a welcome change.
- acedTrex 3mo agoIve really been enjoying waymo, ill pay a premium over anything else for them.
- eagleinparadise 3mo agoAs someone who works in commercial real estate, involved in about $300M of housing development, some of it affordable, i will say without any doubt that driverless cars are a very effective affordable housing policy that is not being considered or discussed by anyone. Any public dollar that gets contributed to housing, basically adds a 50% cost factor and assume whatever it is used for will take 2-3x as long to deliver anything you can live in. So instead, Cities should lease Waymos (or other brands), and provide these vehicles for use by affordable tenants in properties with limited parking. Building housing with no parking is not feasible for 95% of deals. You simply won't get financing or you'll end up handing the keys back to the lender and bankrupt on the deal. Instead, if you could hand to your investors and lender an agreement which provides a car for every 3 units, that tenants have first priority to use for free (or an amount subsidized per month) up to reasonable limits, then you'd address the concern "where are people going to park and how to get to work?". it's way more efficient than building $100 billion in transit that will take 200 years to build. What's it cost per year to lease? $30k? That car can be full time serving 4-10 units daily? The cars can be rented to the public on off hours to offset their operating cost. It's a lot more cost efficient and can be done TODAY, not 5 years after complicated LIHTC financing with 4 layers of other public funding, 3 years of approvals, and 2 years of construction.
- oblio 3mo agoAmerica, the place where they will try anything except for building good public transportation, walkable and bikeable neighborhoods.
- Analemma_ 3mo agoI get what you're saying, but in this particular case we're talking about Texas. The people down there think that bike lanes and walkable neighborhoods are a plot to send in UN soldiers who will forcibly vaccinate them with 5G nanobots. I'm only slightly exaggerating.
- eagleinparadise 3mo agoi know multiple developers with public dollars to build housing $800k-$1.2M per unit. so i don't know, maybe come up with a better solution I'd be happy to hear your idea that is realistic and will deliver more units at a lower cost.
- ultimoo 3mo agoI was talking with someone visiting from Florida the other day and they were talking about how Waymo is slurping money that would have otherwise stayed in the local economy. E.g. you pay an uber driver, the uber driver pays the grocery store, etc. This is something that had never occurred to me since I love taking Waymos here in the bay area. I guess Waymos operating in Florida need local labor to maintain and clean the cars? How are others thinking about this?
- sashank_1509 3mo agoThere is some need for local labor, but it’s an order of magnitude lower than the number of Uber drivers that get paid. I never thought of this, but I think this is a valid concern. Uber drivers will end up spending in their locality while money that goes to Waymo will be used for further investment that’s probably concentrated in the Bay Area. I will say this though, Uber it self somehow takes > 50% of the cut a driver and makes and once again spends it on engineers in California, so Uber is guilty of this same issue, but Waymo is probably worse at this than Uber. In general AI is guilty of destroying the demand for normal human labour and accumulating money into companies with highly paid engineers.
- tuesdaynight 3mo agoSomeday some politician will propose a law to require companies to maintain most part of their revenue in the city where it was acquired. I know that it will not necessarily be a good thing, but it doesn't matter
- darkwizard42 3mo agoThe Uber driver likely gets a different job, probably something a little less stressful and low paying (and frankly dangerous) than Uber.
- superfrank 3mo agoUsually if you're working a stressful, low paying, dangerous job it's because you don't have many other options. I'm pretty sure "just get another job" is easier said than done for most Uber drivers
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- nunez 3mo agoI'm happy that Waymo's finally lighting up Dallas, but they need to expand its service area quickly for it to be useful there, IMO. Austin, Houston and San Antonio are hub and spoke cities. They are designed with their downtowns as loci for their metros with suburbs sprawling around them concentricly. Waymo gets you to a lot of places within these cities for that reason. Dallas is built around and between Dallas and Fort Worth, kind of like LA, but more sparse. Fort Worth is still very attached to their downtown (Sundance Square and University); Dallas is very much not. When I think of Dallas, I think of Addison, Plano, Grapevine/Irving/Las Colinas, Carrollton, Richardson, and the HEB (Hurst/Euless/Bedford) none of whom are represented in this service area. This will be useful for hanging out in Bishop Arts and Deep Ellum, and the rich SMU grads up in old money Dallas, but I hope they're doing this to train up on highway driving. (My critique of Waymo's service area also applies to DART, their public transit network. They have trains built around downtown in a way that's meaningless for most folks that want to use it for daily commutes. With most of their non-downtown bus routes running on hourly schedules, it's no surprise that DART posts anemic ridership numbers every year.)
- conductr 3mo agoI live just north of the service area in Dallas and cross into it daily, it’s been pretty great to see the traction it seems to be getting here. The service area is a great way to launch. It’s the fashionable part of town, covers most night life for young people, it’s created a buzz and a lot of people will jump onto it just as soon as they widen the service area. I’m sure it’s all a phased thing, Waymo overall has been super patient and slow to launch their services. The opposite of the Tesla/Uber/and any other startups with the break stuff mindset. I find it very attractive for a transportation company to actually care that much. I also want them to succeed and I know if they were cruising all over DFW, there’d be a lot of deadhead going on (miles without cargo). They need/want critical mass of demand more than they want to show a full coverage area. I see how that strategy makes a lot of sense. I don’t see how targeting people’s long commutes as a launch strategy makes much sense. A critical mass of demand tying up the limited available assets twice a day, seems like it would just create frustration. Better to grow into that I would think. But also I support the critique. Especially of DART, which I don’t see how the rail service ever works in a city designed like this. With residents who hop all over the metroplex on a somewhat random and sporadic basis, covering great distances. I think Waymo/robot is the best path for mass transit until we use it so much we stop buying cars. Then, the city can build rails and hopefully robots can be more efficient with less lanes of road. The Waymo solution gives A to B where a rail requires ABCD, in a metro where first and last mile may be 10+ miles each, that just doesn’t work. Also, rail has a chicken and egg problem. It really needs critical mass to run more frequently and justify the expense but it can’t get much usage at all because of this first and last mile problem. So it is kind of like a zombie of solution, we invest in it to seem modern and whatnot, but in reality it’s mostly a transportation subsidy for lower income people that can’t drive, it supplements the bus system which many car owners would never use and don’t consider an option for their first/last miles (it’s a class thing in Texas, just is, most people will never use a public bus). A small percentage of the population use it more than twice a year. Idk, just thoughts.
- thelastgallon 3mo agoI wonder when Waymo will roll out to Indian cities.
- xnx 3mo agoUnfortunately, probably not for 5 years. Economics probably don't make sense. England and Japan are next.
- bluGill 3mo agoThere are other considerations though. What are the laws in England or Japan (I do not know, but this is critical). Also India has a lot of engineers, they may hire a bunch and then open the system locally just because everybody can go outside and see how they work. If profit is the primary motive than India makes no sense, but that isn't the only motive.
- jdlyga 3mo agoDallas is a different animal. But after a Waymo pilot program in New York City, it was found to be more hazardous than human drivers https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e71380706dc865d40a6f93c/t/6a6261cabb97e061edbc6b35/1784832458538/How+Would+For-Hire+AVs+Impact+NYC_SSTRP_Open+Plans_Update.pdf https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e71380706dc865d40a6f...
- twoodfin 3mo agoSorry, can you point out the section of that document that justifies the “found to be more hazardous” claim?
- elicash 3mo agoInteresting, I went to the link they gave and to the safety section and it says: > As of July 23, 2026, we have temporarily removed our safety analysis from this report, as well as relevant references to the analysis throughout the report (denoted in-text by a reference to this section). We were made aware of data discrepancies between City agency data for New York City for-hire vehicle crashes with serious injuries or deaths, as well as City agency data definitions related to such crashes. We are working to resolve these discrepancies and ensure our findings properly represent the data and the driving records of New York City for-hire vehicle drivers and Waymo vehicles. Other than this section, the remainder of our report remains unchanged. My guess is jdlyga read this report before it was modified.
- twoodfin 3mo agoI think it’s not surprising that a report written by a forthrightly anti-car public interest group managed to screw that up: https://www.openplans.org/who-we-are https://www.openplans.org/who-we-are
- elicash 3mo agoI had never heard of them. But anybody can make a mistake and it shows integrity to immediately remove a section with a disclaimer when prevented with contrary evidence. Not enough folks do this. You can have strong anti- "car-culture" views and still be committed to the truth.
- CatalystPz 3mo agowhat's waymo?
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