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Iran's 10-point plan includes: 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again 2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire 3. End to Israeli strikes

Iran's 10-point plan includes: 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again 2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire 3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon 4. Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran 5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies 6. In return, Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz 7. Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship 8. Iran would split these fees with Oman 9. Iran to provide rules for safe passage through Hormuz 10. Iran to use Hormuz fees for reconstruction instead of reparations

Bubble1296 6mo ago
What about the other Middle East countries involved such as the UAE and what about Europe?
- surgical_fire 6mo ago
  Europe, thankfully, stayed out of this mess. Some countries even rejected to even give logistical support to the US.
  - natpalmer1776 6mo ago
    I wonder if uninvolved nations will also be required to pay the safe passage fees.
    - giantg2 6mo ago
      Aside from Iranian allies, it seems likely.
      - natpalmer1776 6mo ago
        So this would have the downstream effect of further degrading international sentiment towards US military operations in the future.
    - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
      > wonder if uninvolved nations will also be required to pay the safe passage fees If Iran is smart (and Iran gets the fees, which remains a big if) they would exempt Spain.
      - FreezingKeeper 6mo ago
        Not really practical to exempt Spain even if they wanted to, with Spain being within the EU and therefore able to freely move goods and services to other EU nations.
        JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
        > with Spain being within the EU and therefore able to freely move goods and services to other EU nations Fair enough. Spain gets N free tankers a month, with N calibrated to Spanish consumption.
  - caminante 6mo ago
    and some (most?) countries offered support...? Spain has held a firm line, but even others such as UK/FR have allowed use of facilities or engaged their air craft carriers or facilitated US movements.
  - alephnerd 6mo ago
    > Europe, thankfully, stayed out of this mess Cyprus/UK [0] faced attempted strikes; the UK is running defensive sorties for the UAE [1], Qatar [2], and Iraq [3]; and British bases in Oman and the UAE were struck [4]. France has done similar actions as well [5]. The UK and France have mutual defense pacts across the Gulf as well which they need to maintain. Additionally, Ukraine has now begun providing defensive capabilities to the Gulf States, which Iran argues makes it an active combatant [6]. By this precedent the UK and France are also active combatants against Iran. The reality is, the Iran War and the Ukraine War are tied to the hip. If defending Ukraine against Russian drone strikes conducted by Iranian ground troops [7] and using Iranian technology [8] is critical to European security, then ending Iran's tactical support is critical as well. Ironically, this is probably great news for Ukraine. Russia's geoint support for Iran [9] has made it easier for my peers still on the Hill to make a case to double down and enhance American support for Ukraine, as well as pulling Gulf States who were previously neutral to supporting Ukraine as well [10]. This is also why Ukraine is calling out Russian disinfo ops about the war [11]. Iran has doubled down on similar information warfare [12] and hybrid [13] operations in the UK and Mainland Europe Frankly, we need to call a spade a spade - the Ukraine War and Iran War have merged into a single transnational war. If you support Ukraine you cannot support Iran, and this is Ukraine's stance as well [14][15][16][17][18]. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_drone_strikes_on_Akrotiri_and_Dhekelia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_drone_strikes_on_Akrotiri... [1] - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/uk-warplanes-down-drones-in-middle-east-conduct-defensive-sorties-for-uae/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/uk-warplanes-do... [2] - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/is-uk-war-iran-news-today-lhbgshz9s https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/is-uk-war-iran-n... [3] - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trump-starmer-special-relationship-us-news-7vv7w5kgc https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trump-starmer-s... [4] - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/will-could-uk-go-to-war-iran-britain-lhbgshz9s https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/will-could-uk-go... [5] - https://www.politico.eu/article/france-sends-anti-missile-anti-drone-systems-and-a-frigate-to-cyprus/ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-sends-anti-missile-an... [6] - https://www.kyivpost.com/post/72965 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/72965 [7] - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/iranian-military-advisers-killed-aiding-moscow-in-crimea-kyiv https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/iranian-milita... [8] - https://jamestown.org/dirty-business-the-russian-iranian-strategic-partnership-intensifies/ https://jamestown.org/dirty-business-the-russian-iranian-str... [9] - https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2040716892650803610 https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2040716892650803610 [10] - https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-deepens-gulf-security-ties-kyiv-exports-air-defense-expertise-zelenskyy-united-arab-emirates/ https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-deepens-gulf-securit... [11] - https://english.nv.ua/nation/moscow-panics-as-ukraine-signs-historic-defense-pacts-with-arab-states-50598353.html https://english.nv.ua/nation/moscow-panics-as-ukraine-signs-... [12] - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/social-media/article/iran-war-fake-news-social-media-0zns35c9l https://www.thetimes.com/uk/social-media/article/iran-war-fa... [13] - https://www.ft.com/content/adc3e954-5928-471b-b7f2-e4385bbca540?syn-25a6b1a6=1 https://www.ft.com/content/adc3e954-5928-471b-b7f2-e4385bbca... [14] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/01/10/8015528/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/01/10/8015528/ [15] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/15/7517248/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/15/7517248/ [16] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/12/20/7381481/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/12/20/7381481/ [17] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/06/7375231/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/06/7375231/ [18] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/24/7403733/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/24/7403733/ --- Edit: can't reply > There is no particular reason to assume that the side you take in one conflict should have an impact on your stance toward another conflict What you are describing is compartmentalization - something which you posited is false [0] If Qatar and UAE's dual use infrastructure is within the rights of Iran to strike despite both having dealings with both Iran and the US and if Ukraine can be treated as a combatant by Iran [1], then this precedent holds for all of Iran given how they have aided and abetted Russia in Ukraine. With the precedent Iran set against Qatar, compartmentalization no longer holds. And Ukraine's stance is that Iran is a terror state and an enemy of Ukraine [2], so frankly if you stand with Ukraine you also have to stand against Iran. > Surely that has to be the default position. They all have a right to defend themselves and a valid claim for reparations. Iran has been providing Russia ballistic missiles [3], drones [4], artillery [5], boots on the ground [6], ammunition [7], and other support against Ukraine. If Iran deserves reparations from the US, then Ukraine deserves reparations from Iran. Yet Iran has doubled down in opposing Ukraine [1]. [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47623496 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47623496 [1] - https://english.nv.ua/amp/iran-threatens-ukraine-after-accusing-kyiv-of-drone-support-for-israel-in-middle-east-war-50591756.html https://english.nv.ua/amp/iran-threatens-ukraine-after-accus... [2] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/12/20/7381481/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/12/20/7381481/ [3] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/07/7375314/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/07/7375314/ [4] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/03/7374835/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/03/7374835/ [5] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/08/7392485/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/08/7392485/ [6] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/17/7389742/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/17/7389742/ [7] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/05/7405318/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/05/7405318/
AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
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- bigyabai 6mo ago
  The fact that none of these were considered critical discussion points tells you just how desperate the US/Israel coalition is for a ceasefire. It really does feel like the rescue op was a failed raid on Isfahan, and this is the Plan B.
  - AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
    No, what I think it really tells you is that these just Iran's proposal. So far as I know, the US (and Israel) have not actually agreed to these. I've seen several posts here saying that they have, but what I haven't seen is any evidence or links. Until I do, I reserve the right to believe that the US has not actually agreed to Iran's plan. But my (grandparent) post was off. If these are Iran's proposed points, of course they're going to say that Israel stops attacking Hezbullah but that Iran is free to keep arming them.
    - bigyabai 6mo ago
      By that logic, the US and Israel should have never offered a ceasefire and stuck to the regime change narrative. Accepting a ceasefire shows that America was never serious about controlling the Strait, and passes the initiative back to the Iran/China axis instead of straining it through a joint blockade. The tactics make zero sense, considering the objectives laid out at the start. It's been weeks of war, America should have something to show for it. Right now, Iran has successfully used America's offer as a way to muzzle Israel in Lebanon and muster their own strength with Russia and China. Even from a Zionist perspective, this is a terrible result.
      - AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
        How does Iran's proposal, which neither the US nor Israel have accepted, muzzle Israel in Lebanon? But I will agree that the tactics make zero sense.
HDBaseT 6mo ago
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mgfist 6mo ago
Yikes, so basically Iran gets everything it wants. It paid a heavy price for it, but it would get so much out of this. At pre war ship rates, that toll would be ~$90B per year ($45B if split half with Oman). Iran's government generates something like $40B in income, so this would be absolutely monumental.
- cmilton 6mo ago
  It all sounds great. Which government? Is it a different regime? If not, why would the US concede?
  - lumost 6mo ago
    Because it doesn’t have a choice. There is no path to winning this war, just ways of making larger and more complex versions of the Iraq occupation.
    - acjohnson55 6mo ago
      Depends on what you mean by "win". It would be possible to go in, topple the regime and secure the nuclear material. But only at astronomical cost and years of blowback
      - lumost 6mo ago
        "Regime Change" has become a modern term for vassalization. We should not be surprised that countries with no reason to be a US vassal, and no long-term ties to the US refuse to remain vassals. So then what would we achieve? nuclear material is cheap (10s of billions) relative to a multi-decade occupation (single digit trillions). It's undoubtedly true that Iran would revert to it's preferred form of government, geopolitical orientation, and nuclear capability once the US left.
      - SideQuark 6mo ago
        How’d that plan work out in Iraq or Afghanistan, both much smaller, less armed countries? Decades and trillions spent, and what exactly did the US “win”?
bitcurious 6mo ago
Do you have a source for this being the 10 points which form the basis of negotiations, rather than something released to the media to shape those negotiations?
- peder 6mo ago
  This is not the deal. Iran had published this earlier as their list of demands, just like the US did. The reality is something in the middle of that.
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nunez 6mo ago
Did we get "The Art of the Deal"'ed?
- hermitcrab 6mo ago
  I don't think he read that book. He certainly didn't write it.
- hackable_sand 6mo ago
  Someone is experiencing materiel gain, that's for sure.
cramsession 6mo ago
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Aloisius 6mo ago
Iran's semi-official Mehr News Agency (via China's state news agency Xinhua[0]) claims the 10 points are: 1. U.S. commitment to ensure no further acts of aggression 2. Continued Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz 3. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear enrichment rights 4. Lifting of all primary sanctions 5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions 6. Termination of all United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iran 7. Termination of all International Atomic Energy Agency Board of Governors resolutions against Iran 8. Payment of damages to Iran for loss in the war 9. Withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from the region 10. Cessation of hostilities on all fronts, including Lebanon Which is much different. [0] https://english.news.cn/20260408/dd8df6148df94252aaa1d3fbb599e2c6/c.html https://english.news.cn/20260408/dd8df6148df94252aaa1d3fbb59...
- kelipso 6mo ago
  Interesting. I have noticed that news about events in Iran has been markedly different within the US and outside the US for years.
- joe_the_user 6mo ago
  It doesn't seem much different. Both involve guaranteed stop of all hostilities plus payment for what you did plus keep we Strait Of Hormuz. The only difference is how the payment for the attack goes.
  - Aloisius 6mo ago
    Withdrawal of US troops from the region and acceptance of uranium enrichment appears nowhere in the other 10 points. There are permanent US bases in the region.
  - iJohnDoe 6mo ago
    Seriously? Those are major differences.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  Have the U.S. and Iran agreed the points? Or is this two weeks to hammer them down?
kumarvvr 6mo ago
Contrast it with the JCPOA by Obama https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/joint-comprehensive-plan-action-jcpoa-glance https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/joint-comprehensive-p... Key Aspects of the JCPOA: Enrichment Limits: Iran capped uranium enrichment at 3.67% for 15 years. Centrifuge Restrictions: Reduced operating centrifuges to 5,060 IR-1 machines for 10 years. Stockpile Restrictions: Limited enriched uranium stockpile to 300 kg for 15 years. Facility Redesign: Redesigned the Arak heavy water reactor to prevent plutonium production and converted Fordow into a research center. Monitoring: The IAEA receives enhanced access and monitoring capabilities. Sanctions Relief: UN, EU, and US nuclear-related sanctions were lifted, restoring Iranian oil sales and banking access.
- simonh 6mo ago
  While since Trump dropped that deal, Iran had enriched around 440kg to 60%. Nobody knows for sure where any of that is.
- myko 6mo ago
  yep, the US fucked up by not properly ratifying the JCPOA tearing it up and pissing all over it led directly to this quagmire
- hermitcrab 6mo ago
  So much winning.
- 1234letshaveatw 6mo ago
  What an awful failure that agreement was. Iran accepted the sanctions relief and ignored the terms of the agreement.
  - Hikikomori 6mo ago
    They didn't, they followed it with very minor discrepancies ,until US left it and applied sanctions.
GorbachevyChase 6mo ago
I’m not sure the terms of negotiation are even worth discussion. Every time this administration has negotiated with anyone on matters pertaining to Israeli interests, it’s only been a ruse to position for another attack. My guess is that they know good and well all the marine landing craft are going to get smoked and are using a false peace to preposition the ground invasion. The ridiculous James Bond scheme they tried to pull off which resulted in us destroying a dozen of our own aircraft and, quite probably a few of our own operators was a Hail Mary inspired by too much television. That failure leaves the administration with quite the dilemma. Surrender and call it a victory, which Israel will not allow. Or repeat the Syracuse Expedition as farse. It’s a bit depressing to think about, but my hope is that these catastrophic failures will get false allies out of the decision loop and we proceed as a more peaceful and wiser country.
- delis-thumbs-7e 6mo ago
  > false allies You can just say Israel. I wonder how long it will still take that Netanyahu has not US (or anyone’s at this point, except himself) interest in mind. Even Trump must be able to put two and two together at this point, no?
  - krige 6mo ago
    Oh at this point you should probably wonder not whether he gets it, but what leverage does Israel he have over him, and if it's directly from Epstein files.
    - delis-thumbs-7e 6mo ago
      What leverage could possibly Israel have that could be worse than this? https://newrepublic.com/post/207508/13-year-old-trump-accuser-epstein-files-details-story-verified https://newrepublic.com/post/207508/13-year-old-trump-accuse... If his support from budge from him assaulting a minor sexually, Israel might have a file proving he is the antichrist, it would not matter. It’s more akin to a death cult than a political party.
simonh 6mo ago
So this 10 point plan that was “not good enough” according to Trump on Monday 6th April, now as the deadline looms, it’s suddenly “a workable basis” for negotiations? Frankly if Iran get nothing more than a complete lifting of sanctions this would be a massive climb down for the US.
- jrochkind1 6mo ago
  Right.
- mizzao 6mo ago
  Trump's rhetoric was all bluster, he actually had no leverage and was unwilling to pay the cost to continue the war (mostly in terms of cost to himself). He needed an offramp and this was it.
donkeybeer 6mo ago
Iran if they have any sense should be prepared for a massive self defense and counter attack. "Talks" from the USA and Israel have a precedent of being attacks and invasions.
- jrochkind1 6mo ago
  If there's one thing that's pretty clear, it's that the Iranian government is quite aware of this and of how the US acts. The US government, on the other hand, seems oblivious to anything about how the Iranian government acts.
  - donkeybeer 6mo ago
    I am honestly surprised and shocked to admit but Iran is the sanest and least immoral side in this conflict and it's not because my views of Iran improved or changed much. I couldn't imagine I'd be saying such a thing a few years ago.
  - vkou 6mo ago
    The US government seems to be pretty oblivious to how it itself acts, expecting them to understand another country's motivations is so many steps beyond that.
userbinator 6mo ago
Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran I do not see that happening.
rokhayakebe 6mo ago
That's just anchoring.
zild3d 6mo ago
Iran's 10-point plan (that no one else has agreed to)
- peder 6mo ago
  Exactly, but Hacker News is upvoting this because it wants the US to be seen as the loser of this conflict. Both sides in a conflict (or any negotiation) make demands that they know the other will not accept. You can't just take someone's list like that and assume that'll be the exact outcome.
  - cosmicgadget 6mo ago
    Oftentimes ceasefires have agreed-upon terms.
    - AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
      As does this one. The 10 points aren't the agreed-upon terms, though. The agreed-upon terms are: stop bombing for two weeks, and open the straits for two weeks.
      - cosmicgadget 6mo ago
        Does Iran acknowledge the second one or do they believe they are the toll takers of the strait?
        AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
        Good question! And I don't know the answer. "Reopen the strait", but I haven't noted whether it's with or without toll for the two weeks.
  - firetruck 6mo ago
    hackers are often leftwing sweaty tryhards, obviously not all of them ;) but whatever, let them suck on those circumsized penis while the local paki rape gangs rule the streets of europe.
SilverElfin 6mo ago
Why would the US accept these terms? They could just keep crippling Iran’s infrastructure and fuel supply and more until their new leadership fractures. Is this entirely about midterm elections?
- CamperBob2 6mo ago
  We could have done that, but Donny Two-Scoops had to go and threaten them with total destruction. That limited his options greatly.
tartoran 6mo ago
Are this points for discussion or demands by Iran?
keepamovin 6mo ago
I can’t accept the theocratic tyrants who implement terrorism, execute their own people and slaughter them as they protest remain in charge. They should be forced out of power. I wonder if the US had struck when momentum was high during the popular uprising, it could have being self sustaining, with arms and logistics setup to feed the resistance advance.
- amritananda 6mo ago
  The delusional idea that one can affect regime change through bombing is the cause of quite a bit death and destruction throughout the world. Maybe the problem wasn't the timing, but the fact that thousands of people were killed and millions lived in fear for the future for the past month? That's enough to cause most people to stand behind their government, no matter how reviled they might be.
  - nixon_why69 6mo ago
    The second day of the war Israel gave everyone in Tehran a day-long oil shower. Imagine cleaning that out of your kid's hair, you're not going to overthrow the government that's shooting back.
  - keepamovin 6mo ago
    I guess you’re right. I was thinking a peoples army, armed by US logistics and calling in US air support. But i guess you know more than i do
  - throwawayheui57 6mo ago
    Regime change with air invasion is unlikely. The civilian casualties of the war is still significantly lower than the number killed by the regime (according to Amnesty International with conservative number). So while I agree that people don’t want bombing, I highly doubt that the war makes them like their oppressors. They love their country and Iran and islamic regime are not the same exactly.
  - andrewflnr 6mo ago
    The idea there was bombing to support the popular uprising that does the actual work. I think that might have been the fantasy here, too, but it seems like the window closed.
karim79 6mo ago
Source please. Please provide the source for that plan.
dgellow 6mo ago
Ok, so that won’t happen right? Israel won’t agree to #3
misja111 6mo ago
Where did you get those points from? Do you have a source? The 10 points I've read in the media are different, e.g. https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/us/2026/04/08/what-is-in-irans-10-point-peace-plan/ https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/us/2026/04/08/what-is-i...
direwolf20 6mo ago
So basically complete American surrender. And America accepted this deal.
selfmodruntime 6mo ago
Congratulations, Iran has won the ability to fund its politics many times over in this way and they've lost little else.
- breppp 6mo ago
  Their entire leadership, navy, airforce, petrochemical and steel industries as well as the entire supply chain for the ballistic and drones industries which is also a lucrative export to Russia. I am not sure they "lost a little else". When looking at what the US lost, it's pretty small in comparison
  - a_ba 6mo ago
    Russia and China would likely disagree as they count their gains: - yet another massive blow to their trust and reputation among allies - again massively undermining NATO thereby fostering global instability - weakened credibility vis a vis defending Taiwan
    - breppp 6mo ago
      It's not a complete US success, but what the OP said was a huge understatement. Iran situation had gotten much worse during this war. Regarding NATO, this is a European effort of undermining the alliance no more than it is the US. Europe is rightfully saying that Ukraine is our, the entire western world, war. However, when the US bombs the very factories that manufacture these drones used in Ukraine, and the nation that quite frequently kidnaps european citizens as political chips, the europeans say "this is not our war".
      - bigyabai 6mo ago
        > Regarding NATO, this is a European effort of undermining the alliance no more than it is the US. > [...] > when the US bombs the very factories that manufacture these drones used in Ukraine, and the nation that quite frequently kidnaps european citizens as political chips That's a US decision. The United States never invoked Article 4 over Iran, and neither did Europe. NATO has nothing to do with it.
laydn 6mo ago
Trump ensured that there is absolutely no reason for any nation, not just Iran, to believe what USA says in the future. No agreements/treaties with the USA can be trusted. And not just with Trump administration, since he demonstrated clearly that he can tear any treaty/agreement that was made under different administrations as well. The United States demonstrated that it has very, very limited control over the actions of an elected president.
21asdffdsa12 6mo ago
Does it include a end to Hezbollah strikes on Israel from Lebannon, Hoothi strikes on Israel? Sounds like the us just surrendered?
ivell 6mo ago
Seems reasonable given their advantageous position. > Iran would split these fees with Oman Hard to imagine Trump splitting any fees if he was the leader of Iran.
karim79 6mo ago
Source please. I think we should all get the source of these 10 points from somewhere.
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karim79 6mo ago
Can you please cite the source of these ten points?
joejohnson 6mo ago
Sadly they have dropped requirements that Netanyahu be turned over to the ICC, but it's important to recognize that this ceasefire is between Iran and the US only and not necessarily a deal between Iran and Israel. >> 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again Hard for the Iranians to take anything the US says seriously. US launched attacks in the middle of the last two negotiations.
- da-x 6mo ago
  Yeah, it would be ridiculous that the IRGC terrorist regime, which fired super-inexact ballistic missiles that split to cluster bombs that spread in 70 parts on a 3 miles radius in residential areas, for a whole month, on a daily basis, would ask that someone _else_ will be held go to the ICC tribunal...
jzb 6mo ago
To summarize: a far worse deal than what Obama had and Trump ripped up, and worse than the status quo that existed before Trump started illegally bombing Iran.
- exceptione 6mo ago
  There is a reason Trump had to be saved over and over during his 'career'. Extreme incompetence + clinical narcissism = "I am a winner". This conman and more importantly the powers that prop him up have been very costly for the world, including the USA, and it is about time to hand the bill to MAGA. Rednecks gonna redneck, the USA clown show has some very determined sponsors, so I don't count on any improvement, but I prefer they at least enjoy their party indoors.

Bubble1296 6mo ago

What about the other Middle East countries involved such as the UAE and what about Europe?

surgical_fire 6mo ago
Europe, thankfully, stayed out of this mess. Some countries even rejected to even give logistical support to the US.
- natpalmer1776 6mo ago
  I wonder if uninvolved nations will also be required to pay the safe passage fees.
  - giantg2 6mo ago
    Aside from Iranian allies, it seems likely.
    - natpalmer1776 6mo ago
      So this would have the downstream effect of further degrading international sentiment towards US military operations in the future.
  - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
    > wonder if uninvolved nations will also be required to pay the safe passage fees If Iran is smart (and Iran gets the fees, which remains a big if) they would exempt Spain.
    - FreezingKeeper 6mo ago
      Not really practical to exempt Spain even if they wanted to, with Spain being within the EU and therefore able to freely move goods and services to other EU nations.
      - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
        > with Spain being within the EU and therefore able to freely move goods and services to other EU nations Fair enough. Spain gets N free tankers a month, with N calibrated to Spanish consumption.
- caminante 6mo ago
  and some (most?) countries offered support...? Spain has held a firm line, but even others such as UK/FR have allowed use of facilities or engaged their air craft carriers or facilitated US movements.
- alephnerd 6mo ago
  > Europe, thankfully, stayed out of this mess Cyprus/UK [0] faced attempted strikes; the UK is running defensive sorties for the UAE [1], Qatar [2], and Iraq [3]; and British bases in Oman and the UAE were struck [4]. France has done similar actions as well [5]. The UK and France have mutual defense pacts across the Gulf as well which they need to maintain. Additionally, Ukraine has now begun providing defensive capabilities to the Gulf States, which Iran argues makes it an active combatant [6]. By this precedent the UK and France are also active combatants against Iran. The reality is, the Iran War and the Ukraine War are tied to the hip. If defending Ukraine against Russian drone strikes conducted by Iranian ground troops [7] and using Iranian technology [8] is critical to European security, then ending Iran's tactical support is critical as well. Ironically, this is probably great news for Ukraine. Russia's geoint support for Iran [9] has made it easier for my peers still on the Hill to make a case to double down and enhance American support for Ukraine, as well as pulling Gulf States who were previously neutral to supporting Ukraine as well [10]. This is also why Ukraine is calling out Russian disinfo ops about the war [11]. Iran has doubled down on similar information warfare [12] and hybrid [13] operations in the UK and Mainland Europe Frankly, we need to call a spade a spade - the Ukraine War and Iran War have merged into a single transnational war. If you support Ukraine you cannot support Iran, and this is Ukraine's stance as well [14][15][16][17][18]. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_drone_strikes_on_Akrotiri_and_Dhekelia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_drone_strikes_on_Akrotiri... [1] - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/uk-warplanes-down-drones-in-middle-east-conduct-defensive-sorties-for-uae/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/uk-warplanes-do... [2] - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/is-uk-war-iran-news-today-lhbgshz9s https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/is-uk-war-iran-n... [3] - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trump-starmer-special-relationship-us-news-7vv7w5kgc https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trump-starmer-s... [4] - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/will-could-uk-go-to-war-iran-britain-lhbgshz9s https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/will-could-uk-go... [5] - https://www.politico.eu/article/france-sends-anti-missile-anti-drone-systems-and-a-frigate-to-cyprus/ https://www.politico.eu/article/france-sends-anti-missile-an... [6] - https://www.kyivpost.com/post/72965 https://www.kyivpost.com/post/72965 [7] - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/iranian-military-advisers-killed-aiding-moscow-in-crimea-kyiv https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/iranian-milita... [8] - https://jamestown.org/dirty-business-the-russian-iranian-strategic-partnership-intensifies/ https://jamestown.org/dirty-business-the-russian-iranian-str... [9] - https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2040716892650803610 https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2040716892650803610 [10] - https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-deepens-gulf-security-ties-kyiv-exports-air-defense-expertise-zelenskyy-united-arab-emirates/ https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-deepens-gulf-securit... [11] - https://english.nv.ua/nation/moscow-panics-as-ukraine-signs-historic-defense-pacts-with-arab-states-50598353.html https://english.nv.ua/nation/moscow-panics-as-ukraine-signs-... [12] - https://www.thetimes.com/uk/social-media/article/iran-war-fake-news-social-media-0zns35c9l https://www.thetimes.com/uk/social-media/article/iran-war-fa... [13] - https://www.ft.com/content/adc3e954-5928-471b-b7f2-e4385bbca540?syn-25a6b1a6=1 https://www.ft.com/content/adc3e954-5928-471b-b7f2-e4385bbca... [14] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/01/10/8015528/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/01/10/8015528/ [15] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/15/7517248/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/15/7517248/ [16] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/12/20/7381481/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/12/20/7381481/ [17] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/06/7375231/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/06/7375231/ [18] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/24/7403733/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/24/7403733/ --- Edit: can't reply > There is no particular reason to assume that the side you take in one conflict should have an impact on your stance toward another conflict What you are describing is compartmentalization - something which you posited is false [0] If Qatar and UAE's dual use infrastructure is within the rights of Iran to strike despite both having dealings with both Iran and the US and if Ukraine can be treated as a combatant by Iran [1], then this precedent holds for all of Iran given how they have aided and abetted Russia in Ukraine. With the precedent Iran set against Qatar, compartmentalization no longer holds. And Ukraine's stance is that Iran is a terror state and an enemy of Ukraine [2], so frankly if you stand with Ukraine you also have to stand against Iran. > Surely that has to be the default position. They all have a right to defend themselves and a valid claim for reparations. Iran has been providing Russia ballistic missiles [3], drones [4], artillery [5], boots on the ground [6], ammunition [7], and other support against Ukraine. If Iran deserves reparations from the US, then Ukraine deserves reparations from Iran. Yet Iran has doubled down in opposing Ukraine [1]. [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47623496 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47623496 [1] - https://english.nv.ua/amp/iran-threatens-ukraine-after-accusing-kyiv-of-drone-support-for-israel-in-middle-east-war-50591756.html https://english.nv.ua/amp/iran-threatens-ukraine-after-accus... [2] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/12/20/7381481/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/12/20/7381481/ [3] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/07/7375314/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/07/7375314/ [4] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/03/7374835/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/03/7374835/ [5] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/08/7392485/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/08/7392485/ [6] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/17/7389742/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/17/7389742/ [7] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/05/7405318/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/05/7405318/

AnimalMuppet 6mo ago

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bigyabai 6mo ago
The fact that none of these were considered critical discussion points tells you just how desperate the US/Israel coalition is for a ceasefire. It really does feel like the rescue op was a failed raid on Isfahan, and this is the Plan B.
- AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
  No, what I think it really tells you is that these just Iran's proposal. So far as I know, the US (and Israel) have not actually agreed to these. I've seen several posts here saying that they have, but what I haven't seen is any evidence or links. Until I do, I reserve the right to believe that the US has not actually agreed to Iran's plan. But my (grandparent) post was off. If these are Iran's proposed points, of course they're going to say that Israel stops attacking Hezbullah but that Iran is free to keep arming them.
  - bigyabai 6mo ago
    By that logic, the US and Israel should have never offered a ceasefire and stuck to the regime change narrative. Accepting a ceasefire shows that America was never serious about controlling the Strait, and passes the initiative back to the Iran/China axis instead of straining it through a joint blockade. The tactics make zero sense, considering the objectives laid out at the start. It's been weeks of war, America should have something to show for it. Right now, Iran has successfully used America's offer as a way to muzzle Israel in Lebanon and muster their own strength with Russia and China. Even from a Zionist perspective, this is a terrible result.
    - AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
      How does Iran's proposal, which neither the US nor Israel have accepted, muzzle Israel in Lebanon? But I will agree that the tactics make zero sense.

HDBaseT 6mo ago

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mgfist 6mo ago

Yikes, so basically Iran gets everything it wants. It paid a heavy price for it, but it would get so much out of this. At pre war ship rates, that toll would be ~$90B per year ($45B if split half with Oman). Iran's government generates something like $40B in income, so this would be absolutely monumental.

cmilton 6mo ago
It all sounds great. Which government? Is it a different regime? If not, why would the US concede?
- lumost 6mo ago
  Because it doesn’t have a choice. There is no path to winning this war, just ways of making larger and more complex versions of the Iraq occupation.
  - acjohnson55 6mo ago
    Depends on what you mean by "win". It would be possible to go in, topple the regime and secure the nuclear material. But only at astronomical cost and years of blowback
    - lumost 6mo ago
      "Regime Change" has become a modern term for vassalization. We should not be surprised that countries with no reason to be a US vassal, and no long-term ties to the US refuse to remain vassals. So then what would we achieve? nuclear material is cheap (10s of billions) relative to a multi-decade occupation (single digit trillions). It's undoubtedly true that Iran would revert to it's preferred form of government, geopolitical orientation, and nuclear capability once the US left.
    - SideQuark 6mo ago
      How’d that plan work out in Iraq or Afghanistan, both much smaller, less armed countries? Decades and trillions spent, and what exactly did the US “win”?

bitcurious 6mo ago

Do you have a source for this being the 10 points which form the basis of negotiations, rather than something released to the media to shape those negotiations?

peder 6mo ago
This is not the deal. Iran had published this earlier as their list of demands, just like the US did. The reality is something in the middle of that.

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nunez 6mo ago

Did we get "The Art of the Deal"'ed?

hermitcrab 6mo ago
I don't think he read that book. He certainly didn't write it.
hackable_sand 6mo ago
Someone is experiencing materiel gain, that's for sure.

cramsession 6mo ago

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Aloisius 6mo ago

Iran's semi-official Mehr News Agency (via China's state news agency Xinhua[0]) claims the 10 points are: 1. U.S. commitment to ensure no further acts of aggression 2. Continued Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz 3. Acceptance of Iran's nuclear enrichment rights 4. Lifting of all primary sanctions 5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions 6. Termination of all United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iran 7. Termination of all International Atomic Energy Agency Board of Governors resolutions against Iran 8. Payment of damages to Iran for loss in the war 9. Withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from the region 10. Cessation of hostilities on all fronts, including Lebanon Which is much different. [0] https://english.news.cn/20260408/dd8df6148df94252aaa1d3fbb599e2c6/c.html https://english.news.cn/20260408/dd8df6148df94252aaa1d3fbb59...

kelipso 6mo ago
Interesting. I have noticed that news about events in Iran has been markedly different within the US and outside the US for years.
joe_the_user 6mo ago
It doesn't seem much different. Both involve guaranteed stop of all hostilities plus payment for what you did plus keep we Strait Of Hormuz. The only difference is how the payment for the attack goes.
- Aloisius 6mo ago
  Withdrawal of US troops from the region and acceptance of uranium enrichment appears nowhere in the other 10 points. There are permanent US bases in the region.
- iJohnDoe 6mo ago
  Seriously? Those are major differences.
JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
Have the U.S. and Iran agreed the points? Or is this two weeks to hammer them down?

kumarvvr 6mo ago

Contrast it with the JCPOA by Obama https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/joint-comprehensive-plan-action-jcpoa-glance https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/joint-comprehensive-p... Key Aspects of the JCPOA: Enrichment Limits: Iran capped uranium enrichment at 3.67% for 15 years. Centrifuge Restrictions: Reduced operating centrifuges to 5,060 IR-1 machines for 10 years. Stockpile Restrictions: Limited enriched uranium stockpile to 300 kg for 15 years. Facility Redesign: Redesigned the Arak heavy water reactor to prevent plutonium production and converted Fordow into a research center. Monitoring: The IAEA receives enhanced access and monitoring capabilities. Sanctions Relief: UN, EU, and US nuclear-related sanctions were lifted, restoring Iranian oil sales and banking access.

simonh 6mo ago
While since Trump dropped that deal, Iran had enriched around 440kg to 60%. Nobody knows for sure where any of that is.
myko 6mo ago
yep, the US fucked up by not properly ratifying the JCPOA tearing it up and pissing all over it led directly to this quagmire
hermitcrab 6mo ago
So much winning.
1234letshaveatw 6mo ago
What an awful failure that agreement was. Iran accepted the sanctions relief and ignored the terms of the agreement.
- Hikikomori 6mo ago
  They didn't, they followed it with very minor discrepancies ,until US left it and applied sanctions.

GorbachevyChase 6mo ago

I’m not sure the terms of negotiation are even worth discussion. Every time this administration has negotiated with anyone on matters pertaining to Israeli interests, it’s only been a ruse to position for another attack. My guess is that they know good and well all the marine landing craft are going to get smoked and are using a false peace to preposition the ground invasion. The ridiculous James Bond scheme they tried to pull off which resulted in us destroying a dozen of our own aircraft and, quite probably a few of our own operators was a Hail Mary inspired by too much television. That failure leaves the administration with quite the dilemma. Surrender and call it a victory, which Israel will not allow. Or repeat the Syracuse Expedition as farse. It’s a bit depressing to think about, but my hope is that these catastrophic failures will get false allies out of the decision loop and we proceed as a more peaceful and wiser country.

delis-thumbs-7e 6mo ago
> false allies You can just say Israel. I wonder how long it will still take that Netanyahu has not US (or anyone’s at this point, except himself) interest in mind. Even Trump must be able to put two and two together at this point, no?
- krige 6mo ago
  Oh at this point you should probably wonder not whether he gets it, but what leverage does Israel he have over him, and if it's directly from Epstein files.
  - delis-thumbs-7e 6mo ago
    What leverage could possibly Israel have that could be worse than this? https://newrepublic.com/post/207508/13-year-old-trump-accuser-epstein-files-details-story-verified https://newrepublic.com/post/207508/13-year-old-trump-accuse... If his support from budge from him assaulting a minor sexually, Israel might have a file proving he is the antichrist, it would not matter. It’s more akin to a death cult than a political party.

simonh 6mo ago

So this 10 point plan that was “not good enough” according to Trump on Monday 6th April, now as the deadline looms, it’s suddenly “a workable basis” for negotiations? Frankly if Iran get nothing more than a complete lifting of sanctions this would be a massive climb down for the US.

jrochkind1 6mo ago
Right.
mizzao 6mo ago
Trump's rhetoric was all bluster, he actually had no leverage and was unwilling to pay the cost to continue the war (mostly in terms of cost to himself). He needed an offramp and this was it.

donkeybeer 6mo ago

Iran if they have any sense should be prepared for a massive self defense and counter attack. "Talks" from the USA and Israel have a precedent of being attacks and invasions.

jrochkind1 6mo ago
If there's one thing that's pretty clear, it's that the Iranian government is quite aware of this and of how the US acts. The US government, on the other hand, seems oblivious to anything about how the Iranian government acts.
- donkeybeer 6mo ago
  I am honestly surprised and shocked to admit but Iran is the sanest and least immoral side in this conflict and it's not because my views of Iran improved or changed much. I couldn't imagine I'd be saying such a thing a few years ago.
- vkou 6mo ago
  The US government seems to be pretty oblivious to how it itself acts, expecting them to understand another country's motivations is so many steps beyond that.

userbinator 6mo ago

Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran I do not see that happening.

rokhayakebe 6mo ago

That's just anchoring.

zild3d 6mo ago

Iran's 10-point plan (that no one else has agreed to)

peder 6mo ago
Exactly, but Hacker News is upvoting this because it wants the US to be seen as the loser of this conflict. Both sides in a conflict (or any negotiation) make demands that they know the other will not accept. You can't just take someone's list like that and assume that'll be the exact outcome.
- cosmicgadget 6mo ago
  Oftentimes ceasefires have agreed-upon terms.
  - AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
    As does this one. The 10 points aren't the agreed-upon terms, though. The agreed-upon terms are: stop bombing for two weeks, and open the straits for two weeks.
    - cosmicgadget 6mo ago
      Does Iran acknowledge the second one or do they believe they are the toll takers of the strait?
      - AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
        Good question! And I don't know the answer. "Reopen the strait", but I haven't noted whether it's with or without toll for the two weeks.
- firetruck 6mo ago
  hackers are often leftwing sweaty tryhards, obviously not all of them ;) but whatever, let them suck on those circumsized penis while the local paki rape gangs rule the streets of europe.

SilverElfin 6mo ago

Why would the US accept these terms? They could just keep crippling Iran’s infrastructure and fuel supply and more until their new leadership fractures. Is this entirely about midterm elections?

CamperBob2 6mo ago
We could have done that, but Donny Two-Scoops had to go and threaten them with total destruction. That limited his options greatly.

tartoran 6mo ago

Are this points for discussion or demands by Iran?

keepamovin 6mo ago

I can’t accept the theocratic tyrants who implement terrorism, execute their own people and slaughter them as they protest remain in charge. They should be forced out of power. I wonder if the US had struck when momentum was high during the popular uprising, it could have being self sustaining, with arms and logistics setup to feed the resistance advance.

amritananda 6mo ago
The delusional idea that one can affect regime change through bombing is the cause of quite a bit death and destruction throughout the world. Maybe the problem wasn't the timing, but the fact that thousands of people were killed and millions lived in fear for the future for the past month? That's enough to cause most people to stand behind their government, no matter how reviled they might be.
- nixon_why69 6mo ago
  The second day of the war Israel gave everyone in Tehran a day-long oil shower. Imagine cleaning that out of your kid's hair, you're not going to overthrow the government that's shooting back.
- keepamovin 6mo ago
  I guess you’re right. I was thinking a peoples army, armed by US logistics and calling in US air support. But i guess you know more than i do
- throwawayheui57 6mo ago
  Regime change with air invasion is unlikely. The civilian casualties of the war is still significantly lower than the number killed by the regime (according to Amnesty International with conservative number). So while I agree that people don’t want bombing, I highly doubt that the war makes them like their oppressors. They love their country and Iran and islamic regime are not the same exactly.
- andrewflnr 6mo ago
  The idea there was bombing to support the popular uprising that does the actual work. I think that might have been the fantasy here, too, but it seems like the window closed.

karim79 6mo ago

Source please. Please provide the source for that plan.

dgellow 6mo ago

Ok, so that won’t happen right? Israel won’t agree to #3

misja111 6mo ago

Where did you get those points from? Do you have a source? The 10 points I've read in the media are different, e.g. https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/us/2026/04/08/what-is-in-irans-10-point-peace-plan/ https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/us/2026/04/08/what-is-i...

direwolf20 6mo ago

So basically complete American surrender. And America accepted this deal.

selfmodruntime 6mo ago

Congratulations, Iran has won the ability to fund its politics many times over in this way and they've lost little else.

breppp 6mo ago
Their entire leadership, navy, airforce, petrochemical and steel industries as well as the entire supply chain for the ballistic and drones industries which is also a lucrative export to Russia. I am not sure they "lost a little else". When looking at what the US lost, it's pretty small in comparison
- a_ba 6mo ago
  Russia and China would likely disagree as they count their gains: - yet another massive blow to their trust and reputation among allies - again massively undermining NATO thereby fostering global instability - weakened credibility vis a vis defending Taiwan
  - breppp 6mo ago
    It's not a complete US success, but what the OP said was a huge understatement. Iran situation had gotten much worse during this war. Regarding NATO, this is a European effort of undermining the alliance no more than it is the US. Europe is rightfully saying that Ukraine is our, the entire western world, war. However, when the US bombs the very factories that manufacture these drones used in Ukraine, and the nation that quite frequently kidnaps european citizens as political chips, the europeans say "this is not our war".
    - bigyabai 6mo ago
      > Regarding NATO, this is a European effort of undermining the alliance no more than it is the US. > [...] > when the US bombs the very factories that manufacture these drones used in Ukraine, and the nation that quite frequently kidnaps european citizens as political chips That's a US decision. The United States never invoked Article 4 over Iran, and neither did Europe. NATO has nothing to do with it.

laydn 6mo ago

Trump ensured that there is absolutely no reason for any nation, not just Iran, to believe what USA says in the future. No agreements/treaties with the USA can be trusted. And not just with Trump administration, since he demonstrated clearly that he can tear any treaty/agreement that was made under different administrations as well. The United States demonstrated that it has very, very limited control over the actions of an elected president.

21asdffdsa12 6mo ago

Does it include a end to Hezbollah strikes on Israel from Lebannon, Hoothi strikes on Israel? Sounds like the us just surrendered?

ivell 6mo ago

Seems reasonable given their advantageous position. > Iran would split these fees with Oman Hard to imagine Trump splitting any fees if he was the leader of Iran.

karim79 6mo ago

Source please. I think we should all get the source of these 10 points from somewhere.

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karim79 6mo ago

Can you please cite the source of these ten points?

joejohnson 6mo ago

Sadly they have dropped requirements that Netanyahu be turned over to the ICC, but it's important to recognize that this ceasefire is between Iran and the US only and not necessarily a deal between Iran and Israel. >> 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again Hard for the Iranians to take anything the US says seriously. US launched attacks in the middle of the last two negotiations.

da-x 6mo ago
Yeah, it would be ridiculous that the IRGC terrorist regime, which fired super-inexact ballistic missiles that split to cluster bombs that spread in 70 parts on a 3 miles radius in residential areas, for a whole month, on a daily basis, would ask that someone _else_ will be held go to the ICC tribunal...

jzb 6mo ago

To summarize: a far worse deal than what Obama had and Trump ripped up, and worse than the status quo that existed before Trump started illegally bombing Iran.

exceptione 6mo ago
There is a reason Trump had to be saved over and over during his 'career'. Extreme incompetence + clinical narcissism = "I am a winner". This conman and more importantly the powers that prop him up have been very costly for the world, including the USA, and it is about time to hand the bill to MAGA. Rednecks gonna redneck, the USA clown show has some very determined sponsors, so I don't count on any improvement, but I prefer they at least enjoy their party indoors.