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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car
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- tmp10423288442 7mo agoThere's no mention of any particular company, tech or otherwise, here. Yes, you can probably connect your work in some way to something that affects the military if you live in the US or Israel (and even many places outside of it - we're not restricting to direct connections), but, after all, "there is no ethical consumerism under capitalism".
- 0x3f 7mo agoIf I worked at [supposedly evil company], I doubt this largely unverifiable story would cause much turmoil. I'm sure at work I'd be hearing about much worse and more concrete stuff already.
- JohnMakin 7mo ago> largely unverifiable story there’s literally pictures in the article of the bodies
- richwater 7mo agoA photo of some people being buried doesn't confirm or deny the validity of the claim as to how they were killed. I have no dog in this fight, but sources actually provide evidence.
- JohnMakin 7mo agoThis is a journalistic article that does provide multiple sources of evidence - including multiple sources of eyewitness testimony, the facts of what happened to the car/damage to the bodies, what the IDF says happened, and the non-response by the IDF to the evidence presented here - what other evidence could possibly meet your bar here? This doesn't seem like a good faith discussion by people that informed themselves on what this piece is saying, so I'm bowing out. Have a good one.
- 0x3f 7mo agoMerely that someone died seems to be a tiny fraction of the claims here.
- JohnMakin 7mo agoThe claim is that the IDF shot his family. Even the IDF does not dispute this. What are you thinking this article is saying?
- 0x3f 7mo agoI'm not sure the IDF has confirmed who was killed, but even so the article goes much further than that. That it was a bad shoot, that the car was stationary, that no warnings were given, that the family did nothing to prompt it, that the IDF weren't legitimately mistaken, that the kid's injury is from the incident, that this kid was even there, that they spent 50+ rounds, that the kid who died has special needs. And more. You can literally just read the article and extract the facts. Those are uncomfirmed save by anecdote.
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- bhouston 7mo agoIt is a verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers and it includes verification by the IDF: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-palestinian-couple-2-children-police-say-car-sped-at-troops/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs
- 0x3f 7mo agoVerification _of what_ though? The OP article makes a lot of claims. Your own link says the car was a legit target for 'speeding at' troops, which completely opposes much of the BBC article.
- bhouston 7mo agoJust because the IDF issued its "justification" doesn't mean it is. As we know from Gaza, there is always a justification. Here is a good description from the New York Times: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him in a month and a half when he came home to Tammun, in the West Bank, from his construction job in Israel late on Friday to spend the last few days of Ramadan with his family. On Saturday night, the boys persuaded him to take them out for a drive. Eid al-Fitr, the end of Ramadan, was coming, so there were new clothes to buy. The day’s fast had been broken, so there were sweets to be had, too. They picked up fried doughnut holes in Tubas, saving them for later, but the clothing shop they went to in Nablus was closed. It was already past midnight, so they headed back to Tammun: Khaled, 11, the oldest, in the back with Mustafa, 8, and Muhammad, 5. Othman, 6, blind and incapable of walking or feeding himself, was in his mother’s lap in front. As they rounded a corner slowly, a few minutes from home, young Khaled and Mustafa recounted on Sunday, their mother, Waad, 35, asked her husband to pull over and take Othman from her so she could get something from her bag on the floor. Suddenly, the boys said, they saw laser pointers shining on their family from every direction, heard their mother scream, heard their father say “God is great” — and then heard a deafening fusillade of gunfire." https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/15/world/middleeast/palestinian-family-killed-west-bank.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/15/world/middleeast/palestin...
- kshacker 7mo agoWe (and I) have become desensitized. When I saw one of these for the first time about 25 years ago, I was thinking about it for a week. Maybe longer. Because it was new, internet was new, and the video (not the same but it really does not matter) was the first time I saw it for ... real, felt it for real. But after seeing a 100 of these, after knowing some of these are AI, after seeing news of a 1000 more ... I mean how is columbine or sandy hook different ... you see these but you eventually scroll up, sometimes immediately sometimes after a few seconds. I am not making light of it just saying ... a lot of people at evil companies are also tuned out.
- 0x3f 7mo agoWell, it's also compartmentalized isn't it. It's happening remotely, even if you're buliding the targetting systems or something like that. It's still all abstracted. And as sympathetic as I might be otherwise, everyone is prone to dramatization and histrionics, which has a numbing tendency too. On both sides.
- kshacker 7mo agoYes that's the other part. Suppose I build a high performance on-device caching solution that allows computes on a drone to run 10X faster ... I am not really thinking about the drone, just the caching solution PS: I have no knowledge of drones or caching solutions. Just saying.
- adamhartenz 7mo agoDIfferent people have different levels of empathy. If you can live with these things happening in the world, let along being involved even in an extremely minor way then fine, but don't try and downplay it.
- 0x3f 7mo agoI think it's naive to think that things aren't overplayed or dramatized whenever I read such an article, from whatever PoV. So it can only ever be _at most_ as bad as the article claims. Then it's only natural to downplay.
- Daishiman 7mo agoWhat's naive is to think that this is overplayed when the same events are happening day and day out after Israeli settles continue campaigns of ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. This is just _one_ representative story of dozens that happen every day as reported by many NGOs. This one was merely made viral.
- 0x3f 7mo agoSorry, I just don't buy the coached words of a 12 year old as categorically truthful. If anything, ethnic cleansing would be a more statistical and thus verifiable claim than the literal anecdote of a child.
- Daishiman 7mo agoReally interesting that out of all the testimonials coming out from Gaza and the West Bank that repeat observable, recorded events over and over again, by people in all sides of the conflict, that you selective choose skepticism about this one as if Hind Rajab didn´t happen.
- 0x3f 7mo agoI selectively chose skepticism about... the specific article we are on a thread talking about
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- IAmBroom 7mo agoFlag and move on.
- hugo1789 7mo agoAt least it's more interesting than all those AI stuff.
- suthakamal 7mo agoyes it does
- ipv6ipv4 7mo agoIt’s an interesting look into HN. Charitably, this is an astroturf that accumulated 200+ upvotes in about 20 minutes, which I suspect is highly irregular for HN. Along, with a very clear concerted effort to quickly downvote anyone pointing out this is isn’t HN. If this is the case, what is HN admin doing about it? Less charitably, HN is not where hackers hang out anymore. The hackers have moved on and HN is now this.
- asdff 7mo agoInteresting how this highlights a philosophical conundrum here that I'm not sure I have the answer to that goes beyond just forums. Do people make the community, or do rules make the community? I can envision arguments for both sides.
- ipv6ipv4 7mo agoIt’s the interaction of the two.
- longislandguido 7mo agoPeople here prefer arguing about the rules (and alleged violations thereof) more than they do making concrete, substantive arguments.
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- richwater 7mo ago> the Zios It's okay to just say you don't like Jews. Just be honest. _account created 3 days ago_
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- GalaxyNova 7mo agoZionism is the idea that the Jewish people deserve a national state. Being anti-Zionist is equivalent to wanting Israel to not exist as a national state.
- bhouston 7mo agoZionism is currently realized as an apartheid system because there are too many non-Jews within the borders of Israel. The solution should have been two-states, but it seems that current Israeli leadership doesn't want that. So what is left? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/11/israels-netanyahu-says-there-will-be-no-palestinian-state https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/11/israels-netanyahu-s...
- worik 7mo ago> The solution should have been two-states, Perhaps. But at a lower level the solution is justice
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- bhouston 7mo agoMy understanding if you read the Israeli news articles is that the justification is that the car was going fast: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-palestinian-couple-2-children-police-say-car-sped-at-troops/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... Given that the IDF involved were undercover agents (according to the reports), it seems unlikely that this family knew that driving fast would get them killed.
- oa335 7mo agoFrom the article, an eyewitness account: > He told us the family car had just turned left into his street, facing uphill, and had come to a complete halt before any shots were fired, contradicting the Israeli army account. I asked if he had heard any warnings given by the Israeli forces, or any warning shots fired. "No, nothing," he said. "The firing directly targeted the car. I just heard the woman in the car screaming. The little kids were crying before they were killed."
- Stevvo 7mo agoIndeed. Often one of the key details omitted is that Israel has been illegally occupying the west bank since 1967 as part of an apartheid regime.
- Daishiman 7mo agoThe BBC had a literal Israeli officer as the head of their Middle East department. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/high-court-rules-favour-journalist-owen-jones-libel-case https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/high-court-rules-favour-j...
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- melenaboija 7mo agoWell I guess let people vote and moderators do they work. Maybe I need to see it at the top and then see it disappear to understand what I am looking at when reading HN first page.
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- monegator 7mo agoIf anything, it's refreshing to see something that isn't about the latest apple / llm / current techbro trend bullshit
- pipes 7mo agoI can go to Reddit for that.
- gegtik 7mo ago[dead]
- layer8 7mo agoYou can go to Reddit for everything. There’s even r/hackernews.
- DANmode 7mo agoAny strong signal left? or just recycled points?
- handfuloflight 7mo agoYou can also not click on links you are not interested in. Is that difficult?
- monegator 7mo agonah, leddit can collapse any day and i would not even notice.
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- kelseyfrog 7mo agoDon't worry, it will sadly get flagged like they tend to.
- gambiting 7mo agoI don't know if HN does, but I very much do. But yes, don't worry - it will get flagged and removed soon, no doubt.
- bhouston 7mo agoFor those wondering, it is verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-palestinian-couple-2-children-police-say-car-sped-at-troops/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. The New York Times describes it as such: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him in a month and a half when he came home to Tammun, in the West Bank, from his construction job in Israel late on Friday to spend the last few days of Ramadan with his family. On Saturday night, the boys persuaded him to take them out for a drive. Eid al-Fitr, the end of Ramadan, was coming, so there were new clothes to buy. The day’s fast had been broken, so there were sweets to be had, too. They picked up fried doughnut holes in Tubas, saving them for later, but the clothing shop they went to in Nablus was closed. It was already past midnight, so they headed back to Tammun: Khaled, 11, the oldest, in the back with Mustafa, 8, and Muhammad, 5. Othman, 6, blind and incapable of walking or feeding himself, was in his mother’s lap in front. As they rounded a corner slowly, a few minutes from home, young Khaled and Mustafa recounted on Sunday, their mother, Waad, 35, asked her husband to pull over and take Othman from her so she could get something from her bag on the floor. Suddenly, the boys said, they saw laser pointers shining on their family from every direction, heard their mother scream, heard their father say “God is great” — and then heard a deafening fusillade of gunfire." https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/15/world/middleeast/palestinian-family-killed-west-bank.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/15/world/middleeast/palestin...
- oa335 7mo agoAn eyewitness account from the article: (The eyewitness) told us the family car had just turned left into his street, facing uphill, and had come to a complete halt before any shots were fired, contradicting the Israeli army account. I asked if he had heard any warnings given by the Israeli forces, or any warning shots fired. "No, nothing," he said. "The firing directly targeted the car. I just heard the woman in the car screaming. The little kids were crying before they were killed."
- itsangaris 7mo agoI see people saying this story doesn't belong on HN. genuine question, if this story were about a german national would it be considered as political? is palestinian existence inherently more political than other peoples' existence?
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- dijit 7mo agoI'll bite: If for any reason, probably because it's neither technically interesting nor entrepreneurial in nature. US Politics seems to get more of a pass, probably due to Silicon Valley being there (and nearly all the major tech outlets), similarly some China news gets a pass, also largely when it relates to supply chain and Taiwan.
- MisterTea 7mo ago> US Politics seems to get more of a pass, This goes beyond US politics. The US and Israel do not exist in a bubble. This conflict can and will have big repercussions which will impact our technical and entrepreneurial institutions.
- dijit 7mo agoNothing exists in total isolation, you have to draw lines anyway.
- appreciatorBus 7mo agoAll events in the universe are connected to all others. If the rule is that anything that could affect anyone is fair game, then there simply are no rules, to subject guidelines, no filter whatsoever. It's hackernews.com without the "hacker"
- actionfromafar 7mo agoAll events are connected, but the only superpower is a little more connected.
- beepbooptheory 7mo agoReminder that whatever you think, war, terrorism, questions of "the right/wrong target," etc are all insperable from AI and technology these days. These soldiers were where they were for concrete reasons dictated across vast automated networks; their choices of engagement are insperable from the tools either side (army and occupied population to be clear) here has or is perceived to have. War is simply many different "user stories," to put it coldly, and there is ethical and/or practical reasons, as technologists/scientists/academics, to see it that way (even if the goal is to just know thy enemy). This is all why Anthropic is now a "supply-chain risk", why Thiel and Musk are particularly powerful persons-qua-tech-CEOs, why embedded microcontrollers getting so cheap (or whatever) enables drones instead of suicide bombs.
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- cogman10 7mo agoUnfortunately, even in this comment section, you see people conflating the two. People don't realize that Palestinians live in both the west bank and gaza or that there are 2 different government for the west bank and gaza.
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- HDThoreaun 7mo agoIsrael's plan to confuse people about what is happening in the west bank vs gaza is so effective that even their detractors are falling for it. Truly a genius strategy
- surgical_fire 7mo agoThat's a good point actually.
- cogman10 7mo agoI agree, but I'd say it's important when pointing out how horrible this is you don't let the "they deserved it" narrative fly. How Israel acts in the west bank is a testament to how poor their behavior in gaza is. They have no real justification for their evictions and murders of west bank citizens. They have no justification for turning a blind eye to settler violence. They have no justification for not punishing IDF soldiers who break theirs and international law.
- mattray0295 7mo ago[flagged]
- ahf8Aithaex7Nai 7mo agoI am German. My government does not acknowledge the tragedy that has been unfolding in Gaza since the Hamas attack in October 2023. It’s absurd. Since then, Jewish people in Berlin who were demonstrating alongside Palestinians against the war in Gaza have been beaten down by the German police. In 2021, Esther Bejarano, the last survivor of the Auschwitz Girls’ Orchestra, passed away in Hamburg. Whenever she commented on the culture of remembrance, the media was eager to report on it. Whenever she commented on the situation of the Palestinians, it was not reported in the media. People sometimes ask how it was possible that the vast majority of so-called ordinary people in this country back then could simply tolerate these crimes against Jews and look the other way. Now that should be clear to everyone. The Max Planck Institute in Rostock estimates that well over 100,000 people have been killed in Gaza. But nobody here gives a damn (at least not publicly). We’re even supplying weapons there. Everyone acts as if they’ve forgotten what was written in German newspapers about the current Israeli government when it took office, and as if there were no connection to what’s happening in Gaza right now. I am deeply and profoundly disappointed in the elected officials and public servants of my country. They have learned nothing from the atrocities committed by their grandfathers.
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- ActorNightly 7mo agoEvery single person is a product of their circumstances. If you personally were to grow up in either country, the neural network in your brain would be trained with a way different set of data compared to what you experienced, and you would be a different person. I don't have sympathy or hated for either side, this is just a byproduct of being human.
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- throw310822 7mo ago> it is very unfortunate and we as a society feel bad for this > Sick pro palys... Lol. And you as a society don't feel bad for illegally occupying and colonising other people's territory? Why don't you withdraw within your borders?
- aristofun 7mo ago> Why don't you withdraw within your borders? They already did that multiple times with no positive outcomes whatsoever, go learn some history
- HDThoreaun 7mo agoEffective border control would be much easier to implement than the settlement program. In fact it largely has been working since the second intifada when they reinforced it. The west bank settlements make israel less safe, not more.
- throw310822 7mo agoAs if Israel, a nuclear power under complete protection of the world's sole superpower, could have any trouble defending its border. Though of course, turning your neighbours into your friends through appeasement and cooperation would remove the need for such heightened defense. The only problem is that it would be the end of their dreams of territorial expansion and Greater Israel.
- throw310822 7mo agoNo that actually never happened. The very day Israel declared its independence its army was already outside the territory proposed for it by the UN's partition plan. Israel itself never declared what its borders were.
- perfmode 7mo agoIt’s hard not to wonder whether better technology could someday help stop tragedies like this.
- noumenon1111 7mo agoNo. Better technology is only making it more efficient. We need better humanity, better morals, better policing of criminals in power.
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- delecti 7mo agoThe Holocaust was built on IBM, the genocide in Gaza is built on Azure. Technology won't be on the side of stopping these tragedies.
- itsangaris 7mo agonothing has changed https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
- gambiting 7mo agoWell, right now the "better technology" is Israel's use of the "Lavender" AI to designate people to kill because they are "likely" to be hamas supporters. And yes, probably they could have used better technology to realize that people in the car are not a danger to them. But that would immply they actually want to avoid killing civilians instead of looking for any excuse to shoot them.
- olelele 7mo agoThe israeli army are famous for their tech?
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- xg15 7mo ago> Only relevant because the conflict is often portrayed in terms of European Colonialism or US race dynamics. What do you want to tell with this? That there are no race dynamics because some people have a lighter skin color? No "Judeo-Christian civilization", no "Villa in the Jungle", no "Light unto the nations", nope...
- worik 7mo ago> about an incident involving New Zealanders and Maoris Really? Aotearoan here. Our racist history is shameful. Many massacres, both sides but mostly one way traffic. Our history of "othering" indigenous people here in law was shameful too. But seriously, and with all due respect, fuck you!! We are facing up to our racist past, present and (Dog help us) future. Tikanga Māori is joining our legal system. Being openly racist to Māori is politically suicidal (some right wing politicians are giving it a go, and getting burnt for it) Māori institutions are integrating themselves into all levels of our culture and society And on and on. New Zealand is a Māori country, I am Pākehā, I have no problem with that, I belong here too. We (white people) are learning to share, learning there are more ways than our ways. Israel could learn from us, but... The Isralies are utterly different. The violent homicidal, nay genocidal, racism of Israel is institutional. Fuck you. For all we have our problems with racism, we are not genocidal racist violent thugs, as are the IDF representing the Israli state
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- ErroneousBosh 7mo agoThis isn't a war, though. This is an extermination. This is an army with effectively limitless power against unarmed civilians.
- marrone12 7mo agoIt's not collateral damage in the gaza war. This was a family in the west bank, where there is no hamas and no "war", that was gunned down in cold blood for no reason. Not even presenting a threat. I hope one day you are able to find compassion.
- fourseventy 7mo agoI go to HN to read about technology and startups. I don't want to read about Israel/gaza, etc, I get enough of that everywhere else in life. But I guess that makes me not a compassionate person.
- hjkl0 7mo agoIf you don’t want to read about it then don’t read about it. It’s taking the time to post a mean reply that shows your lack of compassion.
- spacechild1 7mo agoWhich war? This happened in the West Bank!
- lokar 7mo agoFor people who don't follow this, the West Bank has a different government vs Gaza (they are not friends!), and is in fact pretty compliant wrt Israel.
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- olelele 7mo agoI have followed this conflict since Operation Cast Lead and the beginnings of the siege on Gaza. Israel has been using enormous amounts of force against the Palestinian people since then, with death tolls of _at least_ 100 dead Palestinians for every dead Israeli. For a very good account of life in Israel around the time of Cast Lead I recommend Guy Delisle, brilliant diary in comic form. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem:_Chronicles_from_the_Holy_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem:_Chronicles_from_the... His partner was working for Doctors Without Borders, the Israeli Army refused to let them enter Gaza to help the people suffering under their bombardments.
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- olelele 7mo agoThere are horrific acts on both sides going back very very far. I grew up in a country with a relatively balanced media reporting on the issue and have tried my best to stay informed. Suicide bombings, bus hijackings, mass murders. The inequality in force applied has still been a constant. Also, the fact is that any peace deal has been made impossible by the hunting down and killing of anyone that could actually hold that conversation. All secular and left wing movements in Palestine have been eradicated in favor of Hamas, Islamic Jihad et al. Likewise the Israeli extreme right wing now in power killed their own prime minister for trying to negotiate. Also see the birth of Hezbollah as a response to Israeli invasion of Lebanon, which also gave rise to suicide bombings. These then spread across the region. The reason Israel invaded was to fight the Palestinians there who were displaced by the founding of the Israeli state and the following conflicts. Edit: the Palestinian groups there were doing raids in northern Israel and fleeing back across the border to Lebanon It's a gordian knot at this point and i am very doubtful there will ever be a peaceful solution.
- hjkl0 7mo ago> i am very doubtful there will ever be a peaceful solution. I wonder if there’s room for any actual discussion here. This topic is damned from the first upvote. Curious what people’s thoughts are about a non-peaceful solution. For example, do you think that other countries should send their militaries over to help one of the sides win?
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- tomhow 7mo ago> The same reason your inane question is on HN. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- tomhow 7mo agoMainstream world news has a place on HN if it contains "significant new information", and as much as this site is primarily for curious conversation and gratifying intellectual curiosity, we don't want to pretend that horrific events like this aren't happening.
- quirk 7mo agoHorrific events happen almost every hour of every day. This is political, and the events that are upvoted are always from the same political perspective. If you don't see this, you're blind. But from my perspective, mods do see it, are ok with it, and that is unfortunate. There are few places left online without explicit political bias. HN used to be one of them.
- js212 7mo agoCrazy your comment was deleted. What is happening to HN. Either allow politics across the board (which I disagree with) or don’t.
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- stanski 7mo agoI think that's the point - to discourage (certain) people from living there at all. Except it turns out people are capable of never-ending suffering and persevering through it. You would think Israelis would already know this very well.
- torlok 7mo agoWhat's surprising is how nonchalantly people like you suggest victims should just surrender and leave. Exactly the same thing was told to Ukrainians after the invasion. The fucking audacity you people have is staggering.
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- OutOfHere 7mo agoThe audacity you have to encourage them to die for nothing is what's staggering.
- torlok 7mo agoI'm not encouraging anything. I'm not the one putting onerous on the victims. Open a dictionary, if you don't know what "audacity" means.
- OutOfHere 7mo agoYes, you are basically encouraging those affected to stay where they are, effectively to just die where they are. You are among the same people who asked the Jews during the Holocaust to stay where they were, to not leave the country, effectively leading to their mass murder.
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- xg15 7mo agohttps://www.haaretz.com/west-bank/2026-03-16/ty-article/.premium/officers-who-killed-palestinian-family-not-questioned-more-than-a-day-later/0000019c-f7c7-d686-adbd-f7cfc4460000 https://www.haaretz.com/west-bank/2026-03-16/ty-article/.pre...
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- urig 7mo agoAs an Israeli, this is an inexcusable crime by IDF soldiers. Appallingly, I expect them to receive no punishment. My country's government is criminally racist.
- ignoramous 7mo ago> IDF soldiers Hopefully, such trigger-happy soldiers are in the minority.
- oulipo2 7mo agoThey are not. And they are incited by their hierarchy to commit more crimes, because they are not held accountable
- ignoramous 7mo agoI mean, almost entire society participates in (what they believe is the "most moral") military service. It is scary to think folks with murderous tendencies might not be minority.
- forgotTheLast 7mo agoIt's hard to claim ""bad apples"" when the top brass acquits soldiers who get caught on camera sexually abusing a prisoner and instead prosecutes the whistleblower for leaking evidence of the crime. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2xrz71zm3o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2xrz71zm3o
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- fennecbutt 7mo agoCan't say I'm glad to have read that, but at the same time it's good that male victims of wartime sexual assault/rape get covered. It's just a shame that the response is still incredibly muted. It's like men just don't want to think about it. Whereas I feel pure, hot rage at the lack of coverage, the lack of anybody caring. Raped men being offered paracetamol because the clinics after only for women has been seared into my brain for a long time now: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-.... Nothing has changed since then either.
- anigbrowl 7mo agoIt is good that it gets covered, but the antagonistic and accelerated nature of modern media means that such coverage is rapidly subjected to spin, repackaging and so on. This opinionated but imho fair article summarizes how one of the self-admitted participants in the incident was treated as a mini0celebrity by one of the right-aligned Israeli TV channels:- https://mondoweiss.net/2024/08/the-main-suspect-in-the-sde-teiman-gang-rape-case-is-now-a-media-star-in-israel/ https://mondoweiss.net/2024/08/the-main-suspect-in-the-sde-t...
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- greekrich92 7mo agoThe West Bank is governed by the PLO, not Hamas, so it sounds like your concern is that you just don't wish to hear about it because it's an inconvenience.
- x3ro 7mo agoPlease take your propaganda elsewhere. If Hamas or any other group in the region perpetrated any of the war crimes that Israel commits on any given day, every media outlet would be writing about it for weeks. In the meantime, Israel can bomb Gaza literally every day since the so-called ceasefire and nobody bats an eye. Israel just now acquitted its soldiers caught raping Palestinians in custody on camera. No coverage, no outcry. Israel is very objectively a bad guy, armed with nukes.
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- IshKebab 7mo agoI think you're right. Obviously this is awful and the IDF shouldn't be doing this and should be held responsible (of course they won't). But it seems like the implicit message behind the story is Palestine good, Israel bad, which at best is a massive oversimplification.
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- fakedang 7mo agoTerrorist government? This is the West Bank, which is currently governed by Fatah, which has global recognition as the rightful representative authority of the Palestinian people.
- alexisread 7mo agoThis is the same Israel that has attacked Iran, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Quatar and Sudan (https://youtu.be/pRxKltphg6c?si=bDSB_jA-KPM4Efzu https://youtu.be/pRxKltphg6c?si=bDSB_jA-KPM4Efzu) and globally trafficked children? (https://youtu.be/RJhqGDZbqBI?si=MQFuah6er7TvHcaD https://youtu.be/RJhqGDZbqBI?si=MQFuah6er7TvHcaD) Or is it the Israel that deliberately destroys crops (https://youtu.be/Lyp9Xfess3Q?si=1_4usvB1yjgYhKSb https://youtu.be/Lyp9Xfess3Q?si=1_4usvB1yjgYhKSb)? Maybe it’s the Israel that ignores ceasefires (http://youtube.com/post/Ugkxn4SkyNfKESV6nPO_ZzgOhdaH8lb_FAkx?si=RyTRLNxa9hXCK7VR http://youtube.com/post/Ugkxn4SkyNfKESV6nPO_ZzgOhdaH8lb_FAkx...) or fills in wells (http://youtube.com/post/UgkxaPo3ERDtr5fQKPAHnFgxwYkMaEeMgdlo?si=z0fOEfktMirL4Xyp http://youtube.com/post/UgkxaPo3ERDtr5fQKPAHnFgxwYkMaEeMgdlo...) Or it could be the Israel that shoots and kills 234 peaceful protestors (https://www.972mag.com/gaza-return-march-idf/ https://www.972mag.com/gaza-return-march-idf/) Restraint is not really in Israeli vocabulary, and the story being sold is a lie.
- morgengold 7mo agoI have no doubt isreali forces are responsible for a lot of war crimes. At the same time i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.
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- wreath 7mo ago> i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain. I think by now we all know this is a straw man, considering the disproportionate amount of power both parties have. There is absolutely no excuse left for what Israel has been doing in Gaza.
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- sreejithr 7mo agoThere's another 1000+ "invaders took my shit" issues in the world. Your logic only leads to non-stop fights between everyone
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- oulipo2 7mo ago> more conflict means more power for them That's literally the strategy of the Likud, who undermined the more moderate Fattah to allow the extremist Hamas to reign on the Gaza strip, hoping that one day the 7th of october would happen, and would let them unleash a genocide... https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082 https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-...
- Agingcoder 7mo agoIf you don’t mind developing, what made you switch stance ? many people never change their minds even when faced with overwhelming evidence , and based on your prior level of support, I’m quite curious about the actual process .
- selcuka 7mo ago> many people never change their minds even when faced with overwhelming evidence Not the OP, but many people do. I've changed my stance on similar topics multiple times in the past, based on new (to me, at least) evidence.
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- woodpanel 7mo agoHard to tell in retrospect. I think the thick layer of distrust against palestinians (which was built by debunked lie after lie from Hamas etc over the years) was finally breached by the sheer asimmetry of power that Israeli forces have gained against Palestinian civilians. Just forget that the two parties are Jews and Arabs and instead make them Suaheli and Kazakh, and then put one group in such an "agency-less" position as Palestinians are, and give the other group the leverage in power as the Israelis have, plus the grievances. Even if you can understand these grievances – there is just no way these things aren't going to happen. Plus: The state of Gaza has reached a level of destruction that is just ... well basically as if they have nuked the place (Like I initally favoured). At some point the humane thing would be to call it a win and leave. An that point has probably passed a long time ago. Plus, I have read about the background of some of Netanjahu's cabinet members and they essentially tick all the boxes of what I find problematic with the aforementioned power asimmetry: Prior aggresive behaviour against Palestinian civlians in the settlement areas, with the victims having no proper way of legal recourse. Like ganging up on random Arabs there and beating them up. I know there is backlash for this from within Israeli society but man, things are bad if a literal street thug is getting a place in the cabinet, because he behaved that way.
- mattfrommars 7mo agoThis is incredibly heart breaking, but unfortunately, in war, there are always casualties. This is the grim reality of war.
- gravisultra 7mo agoThere is no war in the West Bank, this is ethnic cleansing.
- noumenon1111 7mo ago"Ethnic cleansing" is such a nice word. "Etničko čišćenje" is what the Serb paramilitaries called raping and murdering a population to make them leave. "Remove kebab" as the later meme culture would call it. It's so trite, and a little funny it seems. We should call it what it is: *genocide*; thereby robbing the perpetrators of any semblance of cleanliness or propriety. Monsters are filthy. Let's call them the filthy monsters they are.
- gravisultra 7mo agoI agree!
- jakeinspace 7mo agoWasn't aware Israel had declared war on the West Bank.
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- shell0x 7mo agoI think the middle eastern conflicts are a tragedy. That said, this story does not belong on HN. As others called out this is a tech community and while there is sometimes an overlap with politics, it should at least be somewhat related like mass surveillance or AI being used for war. HN is one of the most informative and least toxic communities and I’d appreciate if it would stay this way.
- Sparkle-san 7mo agoAt the same time, there must be a point where general humanity overrides community guidelines.
- therealdrag0 7mo agoWhy? Everyone has alternative news sources where they can find such stories, and there’s nothing new here. There’s always some tragedy that you could argue deserves more attention, I don’t think we should hold our guidelines hostage to pleas for the heart.
- Sparkle-san 7mo ago> I don’t think we should hold our guidelines hostage to pleas for the heart. I don't think that's an accurate framing of the situation. It's a single post that enough people decided was worthy of being upvoted to the front page. I think allowing the community to decide is far more inline with the spirit of hacker news than the outright banning a category of posts.
- fc417fc802 7mo agoWithout taking one side or the other I just want to point out that a large part of the utility of guidelines or rules is that communities left to their own devices typically develop toxic patterns that are detrimental on the whole. They enable the community to decide not to leave something up to the community in the future. It's a large part of the idea behind countries having constitutions for example.
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- shdudns 7mo agoHN was never about technology, just things interesting people find interesting. Its in the rules. And up to Dang to decide.
- TheOtherHobbes 7mo agoTechnology isn't apolitical. Too many people think of politics as a tribal team sport. It's not. Politics overlaps with tech because it's really about labelling situations accurately and modelling consequences effectively. If you fail at those, politics can literally kill you. Technology happens to be one of the ways it can do that.
- proshno 7mo agoThese are not even a isolated or a new pattern that Palestinian people are enduring such atrocities by the rogue israeli regime with full impunity from the western super powers. In fact, the Palestinian people have been suffering such oppression and injustice everyday at the hand of zionist society on a regular basis since 1948. In fact, here are some more such equally horrible actions of the israelis just in the recent days that you may not find on the western media ever. 1. Either the illegal settlers or the israeli occupation force themselves set a Palestinian boy on fire in Ramallah: https://x.com/dillyhussain88/status/2033528694833127569 https://x.com/dillyhussain88/status/2033528694833127569 2. An israeli ran over a 6 years old in front of her home in Hebron while she was playing: https://x.com/anadoluagency/status/2033226719986069866 https://x.com/anadoluagency/status/2033226719986069866 3. Another israeli settler deliberately ran his car over a Palestinian child in the Nablus: https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/2033402402062434589 https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/2033402402062434589 Historically, the western news media have always downplayed or completely ignored the persecution of Palestinians at every cost. Now due to rise of social media and citizen journalism, the israeli and zionist atrocities are coming out every single day hundreds of times, causing the abysmal distrust in these media outlets across the globe. To salvage their credibility, the western media now picking up some stories here and there, yet use the very artistic and convoluted language not to damage the image of the rogue zionist regime as much as possible. Journalists with conscience, who could not take anymore such order from their bosses, kept resigning from these news outlets: * The New York Times - Anne Boyer: The Pulitzer Prize-winning poetry editor for The New York Times Magazine resigned in November 2023. In her resignation letter, she wrote that she could no longer work for the publication amidst the "reasonable tones of those who aim to acclimatize us to this unreasonable suffering" and "verbally sanitized hellscapes." - Jazmine Hughes: An award-winning staff writer for The New York Times Magazine resigned in November 2023 after signing an open letter by "Writers Against the War on Gaza." The outlet stated the signing violated its policies on public protest. - Jamie Lauren Keiles: A frequent contributor and writer for the magazine also resigned in solidarity with Hughes after signing the same open letter. * BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) - Karishma Patel: A presenter and journalist who walked out of the BBC in October 2024. She later published an essay in The Guardian criticizing the broadcaster's "obstructive editorial policy" and its decision to shelf the documentary Gaza: Doctors Under Attack. - Bassam Bounenni: A veteran North Africa correspondent for BBC Arabic resigned in October 2023. He announced his departure on social media, stating it was for the sake of his "professional integrity" regarding the coverage of the escalation in Gaza. - Noah Abrahams: A freelance sports reporter for the BBC resigned in October 2023 in protest of the broadcaster's refusal to use the word "terrorist" to describe Hamas, highlighting the internal friction over language and terminology. * Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) - Nour Haydar: A political reporter in the Canberra bureau resigned in early 2024. She cited concerns over the broadcaster's coverage of the Gaza conflict and its treatment of culturally diverse staff as primary reasons for her departure. * Reuters - Valerie Zink: A Canadian photojournalist who resigned from Reuters in August 2025. She publicly denounced the agency's coverage as a "betrayal of journalists," specifically citing an instance where the outlet allegedly published unsubstantiated claims from the Israeli military to justify the killing of a Palestinian colleague.
- sreejithr 7mo ago[flagged]
- plutokras 7mo ago> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- fennecbutt 7mo agoEh, tbh I've given up. Can't point out the terrible things that the IDF are up to without being labelled an apologist, or terrorist supporter, or just getting a massively negative reaction. Now I'm not one to fall prey to the conspiracy theories around Judaism...but like...is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things? And that innocent civilians are caught in between, with the usual bad faith reasons of "they were hiding hamas members" aka the exact same rhetoric that Russia used when accused of something terrible that they obviously did, deflection and formal outrage. The very fact I feel I have to tread so carefully with my comment is an indication that something is seriously, seriously wrong. I don't live in China, I don't live in Russia. But when speaking about Israel or the IDF, I feel like I do.
- bhouston 7mo ago> is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things? I agree. Hamas and IDF do terrible things - the ICC issued warrants for the leaders of both. This is why an external party has to impose a solution and it should involve in my opinion separation (two-states.) Both parties are radicalized at least for now and need to be separated and allowed to manage their own affairs while allowing the other to exist.
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- bhouston 7mo ago100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-president-general-assembly-1.7643286 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres... While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-the-establishment-of-a-palestinian-state-for-decades/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-... He and his cronies boosted Hamas in part to split the Palestinians so as to avoid having to negotiate a two-state solution: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
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- spaghetdefects 7mo agoIf my tax dollars, military and government are killing those two people every second, you better believe that I'm going to do everything in my power to stop it.
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- spaghetdefects 7mo agoYou will never find a nation more illegitimate, manipulative and in control of the US government than Israel. I'm using my voice as a human to speak up and there are a rapidly dwindling number of Zionists. Israel will cease to exist as we know it very soon.
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- buttsack 7mo agoThe fuck are you on about? Pretty sure most niche places like Iceland or Costa Rica are not doing this, and every government on earth thinks of war as passe. Only defense companies who profit and religious fucking idiots like you think war is some necessary thing.
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- gljiva 7mo agoThe scale of these atrocities and our governments' support are the reason why this story should be on HN. We elect people who support this, therefore it's only right it follows us and comes up often, even when it's not convenient. That "inconvenience" (skipping a story in HN feed every now and then) is nothing compared to the oppression our democracies support
- jiaosdjf 7mo agoAlso there's barely a tech industry to talk about as our economy collapses through $100 oil and private equity backed destruction of our way of life - what else are we supposed to discuss now - it might as well be Israel.
- tim333 7mo agoThe US economy will probably be ok. It's an oil exporter and the Apples and Nvidias are thriving.
- nirushiv 7mo agoSorry but this is so off topic. Does not belong here.
- amelius 7mo agoThis wouldn't have happened if they didn't dehumanize their enemies. This should be considered a crime in itself.
- Ar-Curunir 7mo agoWho exactly are you blaming here, the IDF or the boys family?
- abcde666777 7mo agoRegarding rules of whether or not this should be posted here - I think it's less about whether it's important and more about whether it causes arguments. As the saying goes, religion and politics. People are going to have varying and at times oppositional views to things like this, and frankly the rest of the internet is often flooded with those discussions, so bubbles isolated from them can be a positive. We don't need to mourn the woes of the world every hour of every day.
- Traster 7mo agoI was going to say I disagree, that I think that at least some level of discussion on HN about important things going on is important. Israel is actually a tech powerhouse and a lot of this is seriously shaping the defence technology policy and is telling a lot about how power dynamics actually can play out. Having said that, my settings show me all comments that are flagged. HN is apparently not capable of having a respectful conversation about this. Almost anything expressed on the actual topic has been flagged. The only thing left are comments rules lawyering to say we shouldn't discuss the topic at all. It's kind of an indictment of the users of HN. It might be the right move to remove the article, but it becomes the right move because the users of this site can't be trusted to actually conduct a conversation about it.
- jiaosdjf 7mo agoIt shouldn't be on HN because it has nothing to do with tech and we come here to escape It should be on HN because we are human and once in a while it is good to see human interest break through and calibrate the room
- js212 7mo agoThis I came here to escape politics and the conflict. As a Jew there are not many places left on the internet for us to escape.
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- hersko 7mo agoA classic "HN is not for politics unless it is about Palestine" post.
- karim79 7mo agoImagine, this is just one of thousands upon thousands of incredibly tragic and similar stories of the last few years (going back much further than October 7th). Most such stories never see the light of day. Hind Rajab is one such story which got some reasonable exposure [0]. I suppose this one will as well get due exposure at some point. But the vast majority of similar atrocities will just vanish in the sands of time. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab
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- RuslanL 7mo agoThis is a side effect of using a guerilla terrorist tactics - normal people are start to be seen as "threat".
- pickleglitch 7mo agoA side effect of brutal oppression is that it drives people to use guerilla terrorist tactics.
- RuslanL 7mo agoYes, it is a downward spiral. How do you propose to stop it, assuming both parties want another one to disappear from reality, and see any compromise as weakness?
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- derelicta 7mo agoRemember; they are punishing Palestinian for wanting to be free and sovereign. To "LIVE FREE OR DIE" is definitively more than a motto to them.
- jiaosdjf 7mo agoThis kid will grow up and fight, and I don't blame him. Gaza is a concentration camp, West Bank is an apartheid. These people have the audacity to bribe and threaten our governments to do their nationalist ethno-state bidding in one hand while pushing the narrative that the west must not have any identity or borders in the other. They fund PACs that threaten 80% of congress with "we'll front an opposition candidate and BTW 97% of them win". They fund NGOs who offload the people they don't want onto Europe and muddy the political waters allowing both far left and far right extremists to thrive. When TikTok woke the kids, they bought it. When Epstein died they fought tooth and nail to cover it up. Oil is $100, they do not understand the pure rage and anger they have dredged up.
- ndbdkskk 7mo agoMay be they all should embrace "show the other cheek" and the suffering will stop
- ngcazz 7mo agoThis is a joke right?
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- js212 7mo agoWtf is this Jew hate and why is it on HN?
- dpc050505 7mo agoJews aren't all zionists and it's perpetuating jewish hatred to pretend so.
- jiaosdjf 7mo agoI am jewish and I wrote this. If you think that's bad check out the entire state of political discourse across America and Europe - just don't look at the Middle East because you will be in for a shock
- ndbdkskk 7mo agoHamas is the reason for all this. Palestine people will never forgive them
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- dplesh 7mo agoSad story. War is sad. 2 countries in a war that cannot end otherwise. Its either Palestine or Israel unfortunately. Put your good will and emotions somewhere it can actually make a sensible difference guys
- tovej 7mo agoThe West Bank is not part of the war (if you can even call the Gaza war a war, it's an extermination campaign, but still, people do call that a war). This is just a regular tuesday massacre for the IDF, not an ongoing conflict, just occupation policing.
- dplesh 7mo agoDid you serve in Army? Do you know war from first account? Did your country take part in a war in the last decade? Or is it proxies who fight your wars? Its independence war for Israel everyday since its 1948. Israel, West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon - all contain a majority/big minority of Palestinians - yet only Israel and Jordan effectively impose law and sovereignty over them. PA cannot deal with their own radicals. I mean, they actually hand out prizes to shaheed's families. They loves this guerilla war equation. Its good for the Palestinian cause apparently cause they keep doing it for years now. But somehow no momentum is gained by the Palestinian movement, and nobody dares to suggest its because their head is stuck we-know-where. And this applies to West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon. Somehow most Israeli Arabs AKA Israeli Palestinians do not have a radical/resentful sentiment towards the Zionist idea. Some even serve in army, or do national service. Some have houses I can dream of. But yeah right, lets blame the Jews. This picture you paint with big words, holds no grasp in the Middle East reality. Its a Eurocentric perspective, mostly held by people in countries which fight their wars via proxies. Its non pragmatic for Palestinians, and only serves Europeans. As evidence you can see how far the Palestinian cause has progressed in last decades. But in the early 21st century Europe is currently in the back seat, sits, learns and questions: How does Israeli economy is thriving even though they have so many active conflicts? And I'll answer what you do not even dare to think of: only a righteous cause can fight such war and have the upper hand.
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- tt_dev 7mo agoThis is outrageous. No humanity by the Israeli government and the IDF