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Windows 11's Patch Tuesday nightmare gets worse
- xswhiskey 9mo agoHow can a company this big fail so hard in what one would consider their main* product still baffles me. *Yes, they probably make more revenue in Azure or Office365 licenses but at least when I think “Microsoft” I immediately think Windows.
- Rohansi 9mo agoI always see articles like this and have never had it happen to me. It's definitely something that affects specific hardware and/or software combinations instead of just poor QA.
- eviks 9mo agoWhy does it matter (from the company's ability to fail perspective) what you immediately think of? (yeah, Windows isn't their main product, quick search says it's 10% revenue vs 40% for servers, 22% office, and 9% gaming, so wouldn't that decline be relevant in explaining why it's neglected and fail?)
- ThunderSizzle 9mo agoIf you aren't running Windows, you probably aren't using Office. Half the reason for Office is Exchange, and half the reason is the integration of Exchange with Active Directory. Without any of that, does Office make sense anymore compared to something like GSuite?
- eviks 9mo agoOk, so it's an important dependency, but the fact that it's a small product line can still explain the neglect. For example, is it baffling that companies don't invest time/money in open source libraries they use even though those might be important for their main products?
- jimnotgym 9mo agoCorrect. IT departments want Active Directory. Create a user, apportion a 365 licence and boom, they have email, Teams, OneDrive etc. Add them to some groups and they have all the files they need. Excel is better than Sheets in ways which are important for 0.01% of users, but that is all.
- NetMageSCW 9mo agoI think Excel is better in Sheets in ways that are important for a lot more users, but it isn’t the same ways for each user.
- jimnotgym 9mo agoAlso, which I should have said, is for that small group, the missing Sheets features are a show-stopper, not just an annoyance
- stackskipton 9mo agoYea. Even if you are all MacOS shop, Office has Desktop Applications that run on MacOS. I find so many companies that use GSuite still buy Office licenses for select employees. There is plenty of places that will just go all in 365 for that reason alone.
- Marsymars 9mo agoI’m mostly not running Windows, but I dislike web apps, so GSuite is out. I could use Numbers, but I need cloud file storage that works on Android, and Office 365 vs Google One are roughly the same price for the storage I need, so I don’t see any particular reason to put the effort in to migrate from Excel/OneDrive to Numbers/Google Drive.
- OkayPhysicist 9mo agoWindows for personal computers and Office are the only products that make Microsoft relevant. No one on god's green earth is choosing Windows Server on its own merits: They're picking it for software compatibility reasons stemming from software being written on, and exclusively targeting, Windows Desktop. Hell, most of the office suite is chosen because it's easier to buy more stuff from somebody you're already buying stuff from than to find someone new. No one has ever chosen Teams as the best product in its space. Very few products Microsoft sells would be worth buying by themselves. They exclusively make mediocre products that are merely the default choice once you've been hoodwinked into buying into Windows or XBOX. If the break Windows, all the money disappears.
- BizarroLand 9mo agoWindows server compared to any linux server os is extraordinarily inferior in every regard except for the AD Domain services interface, which is a leftover from probably Windows NT that they haven't screwed with in the interim so it still functions.
- sgjohnson 9mo agoThe funniest part about Windows Server licensing that I find is the requirement to have CALs (Client Access Licenses) - $5/mo a pop for each device using _any_ service provided by the Windows Server. You run your Windows Server as a DHCP server? That's $5/mo for the clients to get a DHCP lease. Of course, one CAL covers all services for the entire client, but it's still funny to me.
- layer8 9mo agoI think you’re missing Active Directory, that’s a major reason why corporations stick with Windows.
- Akronymus 9mo agoBecause they no longer see windows as anything more than a delivery platform for their subscription services, IMO
- mossTechnician 9mo agoYou're entirely right, but they need to maintain Windows in order to promote those services. The OS and their various applications have a symbiotic relationship where they prioritize each other. If Microsoft discontinued Windows and switched to just providing web apps, the competition would be a lot stiffer.
- Akronymus 9mo ago"maintain" meaning keeping it somewhat workable or actually improving it? ATM windows still has enough of a moat that they can comfortably do the former.
- mossTechnician 9mo agoI believe Microsoft can skate for a long time with just bug fixes and security updates. It makes the drop in Windows' quality all the more baffling.
- this_user 9mo agoThey literally tried that strategy with Internet Explorer 6 a long time ago where they didn't really update it for years, only doing the bare minimum. The result was a downward spiral in market share that they were unable to stop once they started trying again, ultimately resulting in IE effectively becoming obsolete.
- debugnik 9mo agoBecause browsers are one of the very few components that actually need to catch up to the rest of the world, but they've already outsourced most of that work to Chromium.
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- lloydatkinson 9mo agoRealistically it's because a good chunk of their work is outsourced abroad who then in turn outsource their thinking to ChatGPT.
- gonzo41 9mo agoI was thinking about this very thing today. Personally, I see the Windows OS as a core competency of Microsoft. If the OS is bad, then the company is being run badly. In the same as when you go to a fine restaurant and the kitchen have the polished pots and pans you can see, generally things are going to be great. Its the attention to detail, If those small details are right, then the whole meal will be good. And currently the whole meal is crap with windows.
- pjc50 9mo agoThere's no realistic competition because the amount of work to switch your OS ecosystem, especially for businesses, is huge. So the product doesn't have to be good, you can just slam ads in the Start menu or whatever.
- spogbiper 9mo agoThe business version of Windows doesn't have ads in the start menu. That's the consumer/home version. The "Pro" flavors of Windows are quite a bit more pleasant and I don't think there is any downside even on a home computer.
- jamesfinlayson 9mo agoYes it wasn't until recently that I understood why people ran Windows Server as their home operating system.
- yuters 9mo agoAt one point the product is getting so bad that the cost of switching becomes a real consideration. It seems that every other year I hear about businesses and governments making the move.
- dmichulke 9mo agoIf you're good enough at killing lighthouse projects you can defer that. https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Munich-Plans-to-Ditch-Linux-and-Go-Back-to-Windows https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Munich-Plans-to-D...
- yuters 9mo agoWeird that they've decided to switch to Linux in 2004 when Windows XP was great.
- themafia 9mo agoMonopolies destroy everything. This isn't a binary it's a spectrum. You don't even need total control of the market, just extreme dominance of it, to see this effect begin.
- bell-cot 9mo agoAsk anyone who was a power user of dBase or Lotus 1-2-3 back in the '80's.
- direwolf20 9mo agoBecause they know everyone who's still using Windows has no choices to switch to. They won't use Linux or Mac.
- BizarroLand 9mo agoNo, they have choices, but many people just want to turn on their computer, watch a few videos, read some emails, pay some bills and then go do something else. Those people won't fuss with installing linux and getting rid of Microsoft even though Windows is doing nothing for them that Linux cannot do just as easily. If there are people in your life that do not use computers to make money or play video games or edit photos and videos but they do use computers, swap them to linux and let them get on with their lives.
- direwolf20 9mo agoThose people don't even have Windows–compatible computers. They have phones and tablets.
- BizarroLand 9mo agoThe 60+ crowd is either entirely phone dependent or use computers for things that Linux would do as well or better than Windows does
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- bingb0ng 9mo agoThe largest Microsoft subscription account is the United States federal government. Windows/office/whatever else for every federal employee pays the company enough to continue development and offer it to the masses. I’m certain that the ability to collect habitual data on users is valuable to both Microsoft and the powers that be, for advertising and criminal investigation. The only thing that surprises me is the lack of any additional cost to end users. It’s almost as if the majority shareholder is Blackrock.
- notjustanymike 9mo ago> It's unclear why January's security update for Windows 11 has been so disastrous. Whatever the reason, Microsoft needs to step back and reevaluate how it developers Windows, as the current quality bar might be at the lowest it's ever been. I think I might know...
- game_the0ry 9mo ago> I think I might know... I will say it for you -- they're moving too fast with AI.
- Topfi 9mo agoI wish this were a recent development, connected to major improperly reviewed code changes provided by LLMs, but let us be honest, MSFT has had an appalling, frankly embarrassing track record in this regard dating back literally a decade plus now. I've experienced it more than once on my Surface back in the day [0], the entire globe was affected by Crowdstrike which also was caused by a lack of testing on MSFTs part and there are numerous other examples of crashes, boot loops and BSODs caused by changes they made throughout the years [1]. Frankly, simply, no matter whether the code changes are provided by the worst LLM or the most skilled human experts, it appears their review process has been faulty for a long time. Bad code making it into updates is not the fault of any new tools, nor (in the past) of unqualified developers since, frankly and simply, the review process should have caught all of these. Mac OS can be buggy and occasionally is a bit annoying in my case (Tahoe though is actually rather stable besides a few visual glitches for me, surprising considering a lot of my peers are having more issues with it over 25) but I have yet to see it fail to boot solely due to an update. Linux distros like Silverblue have never been broken due to an update in my experience (though there are famous examples like what happened a while back with PopOS). With immutable distros like Silverblue, even if you intentionally brick the install (or an update does break it), you just select the OSTree prior to the change and resolve any issue instantly. For an OS one is supposed to pay for both with money and by looking at ads, Windows has been in an inexcusable state long before LLMs were a thing. Considering such major, obvious issues as "system doesn't start anymore" have been falling through code review for over a decade now, imagine what else has fallen through the cracks... [0] https://www.computerworld.com/article/1649940/microsoft-recalls-bad-surface-pro-3-firmware-update.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/1649940/microsoft-reca... [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/you-receive-an-event-id-55-or-a-0xc000021a-stop-error-in-windows-7-after-you-install-security-update-2823324-aa0c6db1-11f3-dfb2-edb6-20adcc344c59 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/you-receive-an-eve... and https://www.eweek.com/security/microsoft-yanks-windows-updates-after-a-rash-of-blue-screens/ https://www.eweek.com/security/microsoft-yanks-windows-updat... and https://www.404techsupport.com/2015/03/12/kb3033929-may-cause-update-revert-and-reboot-for-windows-7/ https://www.404techsupport.com/2015/03/12/kb3033929-may-caus... and https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-client/performance/windows-devices-fail-boot-after-installing-kb4041676-kb4041691 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-clien...
- CWuestefeld 9mo agoI'm wondering why the guy at Microsoft in charge of Windows is still employed. Over the prior weekend my installation of Playnite (a catalog/launcher for my games) was broken by the update, until I moved its data off of OneDrive[1]. And the other day I figured out that a couple of icons on my desktop had become completely inert and unresponsive due to the same bug - again due to an interaction between the Windows Shell and OneDrive. And this one I can't fix, I can't shift my desktop out of OneDrive. MS's strategy at this point is that Windows is a loss leader to get people onto the subscriptions for Office and OneDrive. So when the Windows team releases bugs that break usage of those services, forcing people off them onto alternative solutions, the guy in charge of those updates really needs to be answering some tough questions. [1] I've now got SyncThing handling this.
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- ferguess_k 9mo agoThey don't have David Cutler to mow the lawns. I have worked in larger shops (smaller than MSFT but still large enough, almost 10K employees), and people in general are very forgiving about making mistakes. You would think it was a good thing, but what it shows was that no one cared and none took responsibility.
- saghm 9mo agoIf youn put me in the starting lineup for an MLB team, I'd strike out every single at bat for the entire season, and it's wouldn't be a "mistake" on my part; I'm just fundamentally incapable of doing the job. A mistake is something that happens when someone capable of doing the job well happens to not do it well in a specific instance (without ill intent, of course). If it happens often enough, the question should be whether it's a mistake or if they're not able (or not willing) to do the job as expected. I don't know that this is what's happening here, but the issues seem to be large and frequent enough to at least warrant a discussion.
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- r721 9mo agoPrevious discussion: >Microsoft suspects some PCs might not boot after Windows 11 January 2026 Update https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46761061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46761061
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- timpera 9mo agoW11 is the best OS I've ever used, but everyone seems to hate it because Microsoft is so adamant in destroying its reputation by pushing Copilot and bugs instead of focusing on reliability. It's a shame.
- bayesnet 9mo agoGenuinely curious—what parts of Windows 11 do you like? I can’t find a single redeeming quality compared to W10, but admittedly I daily drive arch + macOS and only occasionally use my windows machine.
- Den_VR 9mo agoIf not for being forced off, most people would never have left windows xp… many medical practices and industrial facilities still are in it.
- ronnier 9mo agoWindows Key + P to change monitor configuration quickly.
- DrammBA 9mo agoWasn't that introduced in Windows 7?
- baal80spam 9mo agoIt certainly exists in my Windows 10.
- Macha 9mo agoYes: https://winaero.com/switch-between-multiple-displays-monitors-directly-with-a-shortcut-or-from-the-command-line-in-windows-7-and-windows-8/ https://winaero.com/switch-between-multiple-displays-monitor...
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- blibble 9mo agoI see Microslop's "AI" coding mandate is continuing to go well
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- ChrisArchitect 9mo ago[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46761061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46761061
- rossdavidh 9mo agoSo, a couple years ago Microsoft was the first large, public-facing software organization to make LLM-assisted coding a big part of their production. If LLM's really delivered 10x productivity improvements, as claimed by some, then we should by now be seeing an explosion of productivity out of Microsoft. It's been a couple years, so if it really helps then we should see it by now. So, either LLM-assisted coding is not delivering the benefits some thought it would, or Microsoft, despite being an early investor in OpenAI, is not using it much internally on things that really matter to them (like Windows). Either way, I'm not impressed.
- pawelduda 9mo agoIf they used copilot and it was years ago, I'm actually impressed there are no reports of Windows PC's exploding
- Octoth0rpe 9mo ago> If LLM's really delivered 10x productivity improvements, as claimed by some, then we should by now be seeing an explosion of productivity out of Microsoft. It's been a couple years, so if it really helps then we should see it by now. That productivity may not be visible. I think MS's move-everything-to-rust initiate would be one hell of an endorsement if they manage to make visible progress on that in the next couple of years.
- Someone1234 9mo agoMicrosoft has no "move-everything-to-Rust initiative" and never did. That was a bunch of clickbait created based on the personal comments by a single Microsoft developer.
- Octoth0rpe 9mo agoThanks for the heads up, I was not following closely.
- mattgreenrocks 9mo ago> That productivity may not be visible. I'm not sure what your take is, but this reads like goalpost shifting. If one of the biggest orgs that practically mandates some amount of LLM use cannot surface productivity gains from them after using them for several years, then that speaks volumes. Reality has a way of showing itself eventually.
- WhyNotHugo 9mo ago> "Microsoft has received a limited number of reports […] Interesting working: one night interpret this as “a few reports”, but they’re technically saying “a finite amount of reports”, without really implying if there were a few or many cases.
- rkagerer 9mo agoModern Windows... It's like having your own DoS adversary baked into your PC.
- fuzzfactor 9mo ago>nightmare gets worse Gets? It was actually just as bad when first deployed as it is now, but none of the key humans who were supposed to know about things like this in advance, knew about any of it in advance. That's the approach that makes it the gift that keeps on giving. Or the embarrassment that keeps on embarrassing. Is there a person or team having high standards that is able to accurately say when the changes introduced by this particular download alone have been thoroughly reviewed to their satisfaction? Or will there ever be anybody like that ever again?
- timbit42 9mo ago"Uninstall latest lack-of-quality update"
- teddyalbina 9mo agoNever encountered any of this issues all computers working just fine. Also please format your laptops when you buy them, and do a clean install of Windows, don't install any vendor drivers if you don't need to
- tonymet 9mo agono matter the industry, quality control isn't a tool. you can find tools to produce content and to help test for quality, but the ultimate bar for quality is depends on team members. The issue is that despite code assists (pre and post AI ) helping to produce more testable product, the bar for quality acceptance continues to decline.
- Perenti 9mo agoMicrosoft's problem is probably the same as the author of the article. Look at the last sentence. Either it was proof-read by an AI, or the author was so sure of his perfection he never proof-read it.
- LeifCarrotson 9mo agoIn case it gets edited, the last sentence currently reads: > Whatever the reason, Microsoft needs to step back and reevaluate how it developers Windows, as the current quality bar might be at the lowest it's ever been.
- sirjaz 9mo agoAt this point Microsoft needs to go back to service packs and a three year OS version cycle. Rapid development doesn't seem to be working.
- polski-g 9mo agoOpen gpedit.msc, configure policies to disable automatic updates. At this point Windows is a virus that is useful for only playing computer games and should be avoided for any other purpose.
- henning 9mo agoAt least they're shipping a million lines of code per month per engineer. That's what counts.
- nsoonhui 9mo agoHere's a similar discussion[0], and here's my experience[1]: Last Thursday windows 11 forced this update on my Acer machine. It caused me BSOD: inaccessible boot device, so I had to reformat my machine to get Windows running again. So I am now very wary of this Out of Band Update[2], especially when it's not mentioned whether the latest update solve my issue or not. I don't know the same problem is still there, or whether this update makes the problem any better or worse [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46761061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46761061 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46761870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46761870 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46750358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46750358
- userbinator 9mo agoLook on the bright side; at least "not booting" is better than "deleting all your files": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18189139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18189139 Also, every time MS fucks up an update, more users will become persuaded to turn them off completely. It's a massive amount of trust and valuable user time lost. They keep harping about how much cyberattacks cost, but are clearly silent on the cost of periodically breaking everyone's PCs in various ways.
- user34283 9mo agoThe only system where I had this happen was a Google Pixel 6a, where a system update irrecoverably corrupted all (encrypted) data which made it not boot on top. It's particularly great Monday morning on your phone if you require 2FA to sign in to work.
- shams93 9mo agoIt didn't need Ai to create something as horrific as windows vista.
- ethin 9mo agoI seriously wonder if everyone in the Windows development team(s) are just vibe-coding everything now. I feel like all of these are rookie mistakes from the POV of working on an operating system. This is also the consequence of eliminating all QA and testing and forcing your users to do that for you. Admittedly there are some things that are hard to test (or impossible to) in an automated way, but that's what the old Windows hardware lab test machines were for.
- nilslindemann 9mo agoThat's terrifying, as I currently have no boot stick. Does someone know a reliable free system backup tool for windows, in simplicity comparable to Timeshift on Linux Mint, which I can start from an USB Medium to restore a broken system? (I need to able to exclude some folders, like Steam games)
- anon291 9mo agoWhy is windows so hard? In my many years of Linux, I've never managed to brick a computer. Microsoft makes computers hard for no reason. At worst, in the olden days I used to just boot into a livecd and fix my issue, including using an old kernel. Today, I just revert to an old zfs snapshot or if something is truly awful just pull my archived zfs snapshot. I mean obviously windows can be reinstalled and restored, but my nixos desktop flake can be restored in like 10 minutes while a windows install takes hours It's 2025... Why are we still dealing with these problems?
- dataflow 9mo agoHeaven forbid any company ever come to the conclusion that shoving updates down your users' throats against their will might not be the best idea humans ever came up with.
- fortran77 9mo agoInteresting. I bought a brand new Windows Arm machine the other day that was DOA: It booted with the UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME message. I brought it back to Microcenter and exchanged it and the replacement works fine. I wonder if that machine was just updated at the factory before it shipped... I'm a longtime Microsoft fanboy, but even I wait a couple of weeks before updating anything, unless there's an actual problem I need the fix for.
- throw_m239339 9mo agoVibe-coding at scale.
- exodust 9mo agoI'm still on Windows 10, and the only issue I have is the huge nag-screen promoting Windows 11 that appears sometimes when I boot up. No option to say "don't show again". If anyone knows how to permanently disable this intrusive Windows 11 propaganda screen, please share. I tried searching for a solution but the one I found - a registry change, didn't work.
- Jaxan 9mo agoI managed to turn it off. But forgot the details. Maybe it was the “RUXIM” binary? I think I unchecked the executable flag for that .exe, or I removed it from the task scheduler. Anyways, it is possible!
- driverdan 9mo agoSwitch to Windows 10 LTSC. It's easy to strip out all the garbage like the app store, it won't ever nag you, and is supported for longer than the regular version.
- razodactyl 9mo agoUpdated Windows 11 on Parallels: Has been stable since 2021. Boot loop: Can't system restore. Can't roll back updates. Can't reset PC. Can't even enter safe mode. All options ran into unexpected errors and cancelled out. Only option left was to shut down or "restart". Had to clean install and attach the old virtual drive to a new installation to copy files across then copy the new installation's disk back to the old system as a replacement to ensure it was able to activate. Seriously considering if I even need Windows anymore.
- snarfy 9mo agoArch is really good. Between Wine, Proton, and QEMU/KVM there isn't any need for me to boot windows anymore
- Nihilartikel 9mo agoI haven't _needed_ windows in over 5 years, and I game pretty hard (though not much in the realm of anti-cheat compatibility drama). Bazzite is my daily driver now for development and pleasure.
- Surac 9mo agoAs they wrote it. It only affects physical computer. It seems we now have to learn that win11 is only for VM. Lesson learned
- misiek08 9mo agoSo happy being on supported, stable version. Every other Windows release is a nightmare and when I saw W11 empty task manager (yes, the bug still persists, of course no response from M$ and some private contact saying to "just reinstall it"), bootloop after defender signatures update and other funny stuff - waiting for Windows 12.
- wengo314 9mo agoi hope that whoever caused all those bugs doesn't move later into developing Azure. (part of me actually wishes it would happen, ngl).
- aneutron 9mo agoThe most impressive thing is that if they stopped putting out new features, and solely delivered security and optimization patches for Windows, it would unironically be the best no-frills platform. You could just keep milking steady upgrade fees. But no, they have to go out of their way to accelerate the enshittification of Windows.
- feverzsj 9mo agoGuess 30% AI generated code isn't good enough.
- dev1ycan 9mo agoLLMS are a farce of productivity, one of the largest companies in the planet with Azure (cost reduction) AND their own inhouse chips and LLMS still can't get anything meaningful out of it, trillions of dollars spent, Lol.
- huqedato 9mo agoThat's why I live very well with Win 10 without updates. I downgraded in May last year from Win11 after months of frustration and headaches and since then everything works smoothly and peacefully.
- eur0pa 9mo agoSame here. There's a good chunk of users who've downgraded back to 10 on their gaming rigs.
- basilikum 9mo agoWindows 10 LTSC IoT 2021 is the way to go, if you have to use Windows. Gets security updates until 2031 but no new "features". You can't just pay for it like the Home or Pro edition because Microsoft is not interested in actually selling an OS as a product to users, but https://massgrave.dev/ https://massgrave.dev/ is your friend.
- nerdjon 9mo agoI will say that 11 LTSC is also a solid option. I run it myself and I don’t have any issues with it, and it lacks a lot of the crap that Microsoft has been trying to shove in. At some point there might be compatibility issues with Windows 10 (especially with it now being EOL) so if your a gamer 11 LTSC might be the better choice.
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- Havoc 9mo agoThey just keep digging
- thot_experiment 9mo agoJust checking into this thread for the record, I commented in one of these "update bricks windows" threads maybe a year ago about how I don't let my Windows 10 update, still haven't updated and everything is still working great! If your device is working, after an update there are only two options, either it keeps working or it doesn't. Why roll the dice?
- dymk 9mo agoSecurity patches
- sensanaty 9mo agoRealistically, what's the threat to me if I don't patch Win10? I know in theory if there's some big vulnerability discovered my system would be in danger of getting pwned, but realistically what are the chances of that happening? And if it does, how likely am I to even be affected by it if I'm not doing anything crazy, I don't even do much banking on my PC other than the online shopping. I think the more realistic danger is that software eventually stops supporting Win10, but I'm still playing XP and Vista games here, so even that seems far fetched.
- Edman274 9mo agoDenial of Service is an attack, is it not?
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- alkonaut 9mo agoThis makes me wonder what the testing method is for this sort of thing. Presumably you'd do as much as possible in VM's to get repeatable states with updates from every conceivable starting point. But what about physical machines? Exactly how many repeatable update tests on physical machines are done? You get a combinatorial explosion if you need to test on 100 different configurations for hardware and you have 100 different starting points in your pre-update OS image. But something like that (10k tests on physical machines, millions for VM's) is what I would _expect_ they are doing.
- mystifyingpoi 9mo agoI expect this too, but at such insane scale, it won't catch everything, and no one should expect this. The only solution (as far as I know) is very slow releases (starting with something like 0.01% of users) and watching what happens.
- derelicta 9mo agoI can't wait for vibe-coded TPM implementations.
- sgjohnson 9mo agoTPM is apparently so broken, it might as well have been vibe-coded. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46531925 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46531925
- sensanaty 9mo agoI tried Win11 out for maybe a week before upgrading (I refuse to call it a downgrade) back to Win10. Explorer of all things being slow as molasses on my very beefy system was the straw that broke the camel's back for me, but also idiotic decisions like not letting my move the damn taskbar without hacky 3rd party software certainly didn't help me feeling frustrated with every minute of use. I dunno what the fuck they're smoking at M$ HQ, it's truly baffling.
- PlatoIsADisease 9mo agoWhy doesn't Fedora suck, but windows does? Serious question. Why is windows literally worse than Fedora? I'm not exaggerating, I just can't understand.
- advael 9mo agoOne is an operating system maintained and run by a diffuse community of people, (albeit a flavor of linux with the explicit backing of at least one large company), whose primary goal is to create and maintain a functional operating system that can be used by many people for many different purposes. The other is a product whose primary goal is to convince investors that the company is on a growth trajectory that will continue into the next quarter by extracting value from that product's customers. We've now seen decades of data that suggest disparate results stemming from these priorities in a lot of contexts. I think viewed through that lens, the reason is obvious and was inevitable over time no matter what your threshold of "sucks" is, so long as it has something to do with the thing's function as an operating system
- nikanj 9mo agoFedora also sucks, if your yardstick for suck is "Sometimes after some updates some users experience errors" Despite news to the contrary, the majority of Windows updates don't break anything for the majority of users. You only hear about the breakage
- topaz0 9mo agoIt turns out that most of this stuff is not difficult if you're just trying to make a good computer rather than make billions of dollars for your investors.
- ChoGGi 9mo ago> After the Power-On Self-Test (POST), and you see the blue Windows logo (if applicable), press the power button again to shut down. > Repeat steps 1 and 2 multiple times to trigger the Windows Recovery Environment (WinRE). What exactly was wrong with pressing f8?
- jsmailes 9mo agoUnrelated to the article itself, but I'm really not a fan of websites like this one hijacking the back button to show more articles. It feels like a mistake to have ever allowed websites to modify behaviour of the back button like that, although I'm sure it leads to some usability improvements elsewhere.
- baggachipz 9mo agoThe whole form-resubmit-on-back thing is always annoying, but a proper redirect after submission fixes that.
- davisr 9mo agoJust browse with JavaScript off, or with NoScript. People think it's inconvenient, but it's really not.
- kachapopopow 9mo agodoes not happen on brave
- jujube3 9mo agoElon's MacroHard initiative will replace all this in the next 18 months.