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ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data
- simonw 9mo agoAny time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agency with, apparently, no accountability for following the law at all.
- jfyi 9mo agoIt doesn't even need malicious intent. If nobody rational is monitoring it, all it will take is a bad datapoint or hallucination for your door to get kicked in by mistake.
- Jaepa 9mo agoPlus there is inherent biases in datasets. Folks who have interactions with Medicaid will be more vulnerable by definition. To quote the standard observability conference line "what gets measured gets managed".
- plagiarist 9mo agoThe same people saying that will also defend police wearing masks, hiding badges, and shutting off body cameras. They are not participating in discussions with the same values (truth, integrity) that you have. Logic does not work on people who believe Calvinistic predestination is the right model for society.
- j16sdiz 9mo agoWait. Is calvinistic predestination the majority view of republicans? I thought most of them are some form of (tv) evangelism, or secularism I am not American and genuinely curious on this.
- ungreased0675 9mo agoNo, none of that is true. Remember, Republicans represent half the country, not some isolated sect living in small town Appalachia.
- tfehring 9mo ago27%* https://news.gallup.com/poll/700499/new-high-identify-political-independents.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/700499/new-high-identify-politi...
- jfyi 9mo ago>some isolated sect living in small town Appalachia. Calvinists or Evangelicals? I don't think that holds water either way.
- helterskelter 9mo ago> Republicans represent half the country This statement isn't necessarily wrong because about half of elected government officials are Republican, but I want to point out that less than 60% of eligible Americans voted in 2024, so we're talking about <30% of Americans who vote Republican.
- JKCalhoun 9mo agoAnd honestly, with a Congress that allows every state, irrespective of population, two Senators, it is somewhat skewed. I mean San Jose, California is about double the population of the entire state of Wyoming.
- red-iron-pine 9mo agoi don't know why this is downvoted, it's a legit complaint. wyoming has ~800k people. ohio has 11 million. the greater NYC area (parts of NJ, CT, etc.) has ~22 million. california has 40 million. and as a parent poster mentioned, just slightly 1/3 of eligible voters chose trump; if "no candidate" was a choice it may have one most states, beating out kamala and trump.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo agoAnyone on the right who implicates Pretti for carrying a licensed firearm is a good litmus test for bad faith.
- godelski 9mo agoIt's amazing how quickly the party of small government, states rights, and the 2nd amendment quickly turned against all their principles. It really shows how many people care more about party than principle.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> shows how many people care more about party than principle "Trump’s net approval rating on immigration has declined by about 4 points since the day before Good’s death until today. Meanwhile, his overall approval rating has declined by 2 points and is near its second-term lows" [1]. I'd encourage anyone watching to actually pay attention to "how many people care more about party than principle." I suspect it's fewer than MAGA high command thinks. [1] https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-losing-normies-on-immigration https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-is-losing-normies-on-immi...
- wat10000 9mo agoTwo percent of Americans changing their opinion in the face of state sanctioned murder is not a good number.
- CuriouslyC 9mo agoThe people who still support the orange troll live in an echo chamber where they've been sold the bullshit that quran waiving communist terrorists and the deep state are behind all of this, and it's a con job.
- godelski 9mo agoMultiple state sanctioned murder Not to mention the extrajudicial killings Not to mention the Epstein reports I'm really not sure what people actually care about because for some reason they won't actually tell you
- nailer 9mo agoPolice absolutely should have body cameras - quite frequently they’ve proven law enforcement officers handled things correctly where activists have tried to say otherwise.
- cthalupa 9mo agoThis is true. Yet law enforcement officers are some of the most resistant to the idea, and Trump and DHS are extremely resistant to the idea of utilizing them for ICE and CBP, and have even cut funding for it. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-moved-cut-funding-ice-body-cameras-pared-back-oversight-2026-01-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-moved-cut-funding-ice... When we know that the body cams are frequently used in a way that benefits the people wearing them, I find it quite telling when those people are railing against the idea and those in power actively work to block it.
- ck_one 9mo agoThis is the moment for Europe to show that you can do gov and business differently. If they get their s** together and actually present a viable alternative.
- skrebbel 9mo agoHow is it not viable now?
- alecco 9mo agoThey are doing it differently alright. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_control
- lillecarl 9mo agoYou're saying a proposed bill which hasn't passed is comparative to recent events in the US or am I reading too much between the lines?
- alecco 9mo agoYou're saying EU is any different to USA? Palantir clients: Europol, Danish POL-INTEL, NHS UK, UK Ministry of Defence, German Police (states), NATO, Ukraine, ASML, Siemens, Airbus, Credit Suisse, UBS, BP, Merck, ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies#Customers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies#Customer... https://www.palantir.com/partners/international/ https://www.palantir.com/partners/international/
- vladms 9mo agoNitpicking, many on your list are not part of the EU : NHS UK, UK Ministry of Defence, NATO, Ukraine, UBS, BP. Plus, the EU is 27 countries, out of which 5 are listed on their wiki page, with various institutions.
- Jordan-117 9mo ago"Best I can do is Chat Control 3.0"
- koolba 9mo ago> The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. There’s a world of difference between a government using legally collected data for multiple purposes and an individual abusing their position purely for personal reasons.
- simonw 9mo agoThat difference is looking very thin right now.
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- sosomoxie 9mo agoThe parent's example is of an individual using that "legal" state collected data for nefarious purposes. Once it's collected, anyone who accesses it is a threat vector. Also, governments (including/especially the US) have historically killed, imprisoned and tortured millions and millions of people. There's nothing to be gained by an individual for allowing government access to their data.
- Jaepa 9mo agoIs this legal though? & effectively if there is no checks on this is there actually a difference? There only difference is that the threat is to an entire cohort rather than an individual.
- monooso 9mo agoAt this moment, the primary difference appears to be scale.
- godelski 9mo agoWhen did legality make something right? The whole social battle is a constant attempt to align our laws and values as a society. It's why we create new laws. It's why we overturn old laws. You can't just abdicate your morals and let the law decide for you. That's not a system of democracy, that's a system of tyranny. The privacy focused crowd often mentions "turnkey tyranny" as a major motivation. A tyrant who comes to power and changes the laws. A tyrant who comes to power and uses the existing tooling beyond what that tooling was ever intended for. The law isn't what makes something right or wrong. I can't tell you what is, you'll have to use your brain and heart to figure that one out.
- blurbleblurble 9mo agoRespect, thank you for using your voice.
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- simonw 9mo agoHow do you feel about ICE shooting people dead in the streets?
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- dang 9mo agoWe've banned this account for repeatedly posting antisemitic tropes.
- sosomoxie 9mo agoMore immigration has drastically improved this country. I don't understand your position at all. ICE is far worse for our culture than then people providing me an actual livable diet.
- steve1977 9mo agoAlso always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.
- direwolf20 9mo agoThe reaction from the masses: "But that isn't true today, anything could happen in the future, and why should I invest so much work on something that's only a possibility?"
- whatshisface 9mo agoPeople do not have justifications for most choices. We watch YouTube when we would benefit more from teaching ourselves skills. We eat too much of food we know is junk. We stay up too late and either let others walk over us at work to avoid overt conflict or start fights and make enemies to protect our own emotions. If you want to know why Americans are allowing themselves to be gradually reduced to slavery, do not ask why.
- soulofmischief 9mo agoIt's disingenuous to say Americans are "allowing" themselves to do anything in the face of countless, relentless, multi-billion corporate campaigns, designed by teams of educated individuals, to make them think and act in specific ways.
- iugtmkbdfil834 9mo agoThis. As much as I would like to say 'individual responsibility' and all that, the sheer amount of information that is designed to make one follow a specific path, react in specific way or offer opinion X is crazy. I am not entirely certain what the solution is, but I am saying this as a person, who likes to think I am somewhat aware of attempts to subvert my judgment and I still catch myself learning ( usually later after the fact ) that I am not as immune as I would like to think.
- WrongOnInternet 9mo ago"I've got nothing to hide" is another way of saying "I don't have friends that trust me," which is another way of saying" I don't have friends."
- AndrewKemendo 9mo ago> how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power This is why there shouldn’t be any organization that has that much power. Full stop. What you described is the whole raison dêtre of Anarchism; irrespective of whether you think there’s an alternative or not* “No gods No Masters” isn’t just a slogan it’s a demand *my personal view is that there is no possible stable human organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism#No_gods,_no_masters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism#No_gods,_n...
- wahnfrieden 9mo agoHave you read Graeber & Wengrow?
- AndrewKemendo 9mo agoOf course. All of Graeber is fantastic and I’m trying to get an audience with Wengrow
- wahnfrieden 9mo agoWhere can I follow this development
- AndrewKemendo 9mo agoSee if you can understand my paper: https://kemendo.com/GTC.pdf https://kemendo.com/GTC.pdf If you can, let me know
- hypeatei 9mo agoThe simple response to that line of thinking is: "you don't choose what the government uses against you" For any piece of data that exists, the government effectively has access to it through court orders or backdoors. Either way, it can and will be used against you.
- sheikhnbake 9mo agoThe true problem is that it happens no matter who is in charge. It's like that old phrase about weapons that are invented are going to be used at some point. The same thing has turned out to be true for intelligence tools. And the worst part is that the tools have become so capable, that malicious intent isn't even required anymore for privacy to be infringed.
- baconbrand 9mo agoFrom everything we are seeing, the tools are not actually that capable. Their main function is not their stated function of spying/knowing a lot about people. Their main function is to dehumanize people. When you use a computer to tell you who to target, it makes it easy for your brain to never consider that person as a human being at all. They are a target. An object. Their stated capabilities are lies, marketing, and a smokescreen for their true purpose. This is Lavender v2, and I’m sure others could name additional predecessors. Systems rife with errors but the validity isn’t the point; the system is.
- SkyPuncher 9mo agoFor me, the angle is a bit different. I want privacy, but I also sense that the people who are really good at this (like Plantir) have so much proxy information available that individual steps to protect privacy are pretty much worthless. To me, this is a problem that can only be solved at the government/regulatory level.
- ben_w 9mo agoIn principle, I agree with your point; in practice, I think the claims made my these surveillance/advertising companies are likely as overstated as Musk's last decade of self-driving that still can't take a vehicle all the way across the USA without supervision in response to a phone summons. The evidence I have that causes me to believe them to be overstated, is how even Facebook has frequently shown me ads that inherently make errors about my gender, nationality, the country I live in, and the languages I speak, and those are things they should've been able to figure out with my name, GeoIP, and the occasional message I write.
- esseph 9mo ago> I think the claims made my these surveillance/advertising companies are likely as overstated as Musk's last decade of self-driving They are not overstated, and they are far worse.
- wat10000 9mo agoIt’s funny when Facebook thinks you’re interested in aquariums and shows you aquarium ads when that isn’t your thing at all. It’ll be a lot less amusing when Palantir thinks you’re interested in bombing government buildings.
- crimsoneer 9mo agoPalantir don't sell data though, they just give you a software platform.
- tartoran 9mo agoThey don't sell the data, they sell access to that data
- thangalin 9mo ago> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary on open mic night?"
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> Some retorts for people swayed by that argument Do any of these actually prompt someone to reconsider their position? They strike me as more of argument through being annoying than a good-faith attempt to connect with the other side.
- throw-qqqqq 9mo agoI usually just quote Snowden instead: “Ultimately, arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”
- HellDunkel 9mo agoNot as clever as it may sound. It is perfectly possible that someone has nothing to hide in a good way, whereas someone without anything to say for himself cannot be easily imagined as a good faith social individual. So in a way this is comparing apples to bad apples and claiming they are perfectly equal.
- ambicapter 9mo ago> whereas someone without anything to say for himself cannot be easily imagined as a good faith social individual Huh? You can’t imagine boring people as a “good faith social individual”?
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 9mo agoAre you against income tax? Are you against business registration? All of these are subject to the similar issues with the stalker ex abusing a position of power?
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> All of these are subject to the similar issues with the stalker ex abusing a position of power? You seem to be asking a question. The answer is no. The IRS does not need to know my sexual orientation or circumcision status. Medicaid, on the other hand, may. (Though I'd contest even that.)
- RHSeeger 9mo agoAre you saying that, because there is one way in which people are vulnerable, that it doesn't matter if we add more ways they are vulnerable? Because that makes no sense whatsoever.
- tw04 9mo ago> The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. Which has literally happened already for anyone who thinks “there’s controls in place for that sort of thing”. That’s with (generally) good faith actors in power. What do you think can and will happen when people who think democracy and the constitution are unnecessary end up in control… https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/27/politics/nsa-snooping/ https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/27/politics/nsa-snooping/
- jimmydoe 9mo agoI don’t agree. I’m fine ICE can see my data, as long as there are process enforced to track those usage and I have a right to fight back for their misuse. Problem today is ICE has no accountability of misuse data/violence, not they have means to data/violence.
- femiagbabiaka 9mo agoThere has been no point post Patriot Act where there has been accountability for data misuse. You need to update your priors.
- irl_zebra 9mo ago> I’m fine ICE can see my data, as long as there are process enforced to track those usage and I have a right to fight back for their misuse I agree with this in theory, but its a fantasy to think they have this restriction at this point. ICE seems to be taking all comers, the lowest of the low, the vilest of the vile, giving them "47 days of training," and sending them off armed into the populace. I have seen no evidence they believe they have any restriction on anything. It's basically DOGE but with guns instead of keyboards.
- RHSeeger 9mo agoI'd rather ICE (or whatever government agency) not see my data... because, even if there are processes that are enforced, there might not be tomorrow. If that data isn't collected in the first place, that threat vector disappears.
- tasty_freeze 9mo agoIt reminds me of when Eric Schmidt, then CEO of google, tried that argument about people's worry of google collecting so much personal data. Some media outlet then published a bunch of personal information about Schmidt they had gathered using only google searches, including where he lives, his salary, his political donations, and where his kids went to school. Schmidt was not amused.
- Sebguer 9mo agoBack in the day, Google eng had pretty unguarded access to people's gmails, calendars, etc. Then there was a news story involving a Google SRE grooming children and stalking them through their google accounts...
- neilv 9mo agoThat questionable-sounding stunt by the media outlet wasn't comparable: Google/Alphabet knows much more about individuals than addresses, salary, and political donations. Google/Alphabet knows quite a lot about your sentiments, what information you've seen, your relationships, who can get to you, who you can get to, your hopes and fears, your economic situation, your health conditions, assorted kompromat, your movements, etc. Schmidt is actually from OG Internet circles where many people were aware of privacy issues, and who were vigilant against incursions. But perhaps he had a different philosophical position. Or perhaps it was his job to downplay the risks. Or perhaps he was going to have enough money and power that he wasn't personally threatened by private info that would threaten the less-wealthy. We might learn this year, how well Google/Alphabet protects this treasure trove of surveillance state data, when that matters most.
- mindslight 9mo ago> Schmidt is actually from OG Internet circles where many people were aware of privacy issues, and who were vigilant against incursions. > But perhaps he had a different philosophical position. Or perhaps it was his job to downplay the risks I feel that as the consumer surveillance industry took off, everyone from those OG Internet circles was presented with a choice - stick with the individualist hacker spirit, or turncoat and build systems of corporate control. The people who chose power ended up incredibly rich, while the people who chose freedom got to watch the world burn while saying I told you so. (There were also a lot of fence sitters in the middle who chose power but assuaged their own egos with slogans like "Don't be evil" and whatnot)
- realharo 9mo agoEven if you trust the intentions of whoever you're giving your data to, you may not trust their ability to keep it safe from data breaches. Those happen all the time.
- RHSeeger 9mo agoOr the person that takes over after them
- chaostheory 9mo agoUnfortunately, this also means that everyone is taking a risk when they participate in the US census. https://exhibits.lib.berkeley.edu/spotlight/census/feature/japanese-americans-in-world-war-ii-and-the-census https://exhibits.lib.berkeley.edu/spotlight/census/feature/j... https://www.npr.org/2018/12/26/636107892/some-japanese-americans-wrongfully-imprisoned-during-wwii-oppose-census-question https://www.npr.org/2018/12/26/636107892/some-japanese-ameri...
- cyanydeez 9mo agoThe business is equally blamed. But ever aince Uber showed up and violated laws in all jurisdictions, we always focus on the cops and not the criminals. The "they look like us" fallacy is so deep in this.
- SilverElfin 9mo agoICE and DHS already were bloated and somehow grew from not existing 25 years ago to a $100 billion budget. Then the big Trump spending bill added another $200 billion to their budget. And there’s no accountability for who gets that money - it’s all friends and donors and members of the Trump family. They have money for this grift of epic scale but complain about some tiny alleged Somalian fraud to distract the gullible MAGA base. And of course there is somehow not enough money for things people actually need like healthcare.
- tartoran 9mo agoThat's in their playbook to cherry pick the most extreme cases and pretend it's the majority of cases.
- tombert 9mo ago> This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agency with, apparently, no accountability for following the law at all. Apparently any time they do anything horrifying, they will just declare that victim as a "terrorist" or something, and their sycophantic supporters will happily agree. What I find amusing is that when the Snowden leaks happened and I would discuss it, when I said something like "let's pretend for a moment that we can't trust every single person in the government" I would usually get an agreeable laugh. But using these same arguments with ICE + Palantir, these same people will say something like "ICE IS ONLY DEPORTING THE CRIMINALS YOU JUST WANT OPEN BORDERS!!!". People's hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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- tombert 9mo agoWithout going into a long tangent talking about each point, I would like to point out that ICE doesn't actually seem terribly concerned with whether or not the people are illegal aliens or criminals. The last two people they murdered were US citizens, there are many US citizens, some natural born, that have been detained. If they have access to all this information that was volunteered, then why are they so utterly incompetent at actually deporting illegal aliens? That said, the disturbing part of Palantir and ICE isn't just that they are reading my driver's license or my legal status, it's the fact that they know everything. You are absolutely, unequivocally incorrect that anyone in any significant numbers wants "open borders". I know this is a meme, but it's a meme that isn't true.
- abustamam 9mo agoTo add onto that, Palantir is a private company. They have no business having that much of my data without my consent, with no way to opt out.
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- duxup 9mo agoThe thing also is, it doesn't matter what the truth is. If the computer says you did a thing, the thugs (ICE) will do what they want. Here is someone out for a walk, ICE demanding ID, that she answer questions. She says she's a US citizen ... they keep asking her questions and one of the ICE people seem to be using a phone to scan her face: https://np.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minneapolis_several_armed_men_do_you_have_id/ https://np.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minneap... What she says, the truth, none of it would matter if his phone said to bring her in. And after the fact? The folks supporting ICE have made it clear they've no problem with lying in the face of the obvious.
- steve-atx-7600 9mo agoPeople have a real hard time understanding that they are only as free as the most oppressed citizen in their country/state/city.
- lemoncookiechip 9mo agoIt's not even that big of a leap. We've seen a off-duty ICE agent drunk driving his child, getting stopped by the cops, implied threats to one of the officers for being black with payback, spent the whole time saying "come on man" using his position as a federal officer as a way to get out of trouble, and ends to the point that I wanted to make, complained about his and I quote "bitch ex-wife" for divorcing him. What is stopping this lowlife from going after his ex-wife, or one of those cops by using databases that they have access to? We know from journalists going through the process that there's no curation or training involved to join ICE specifically. But this goes beyond them. We know that cops can be corrupt to, we know politicians can be corrupt to, what is stopping any of these people from using private data to not only go after their spouses, but also business rivals, and people who slight them? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_1X7MVrnPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_1X7MVrnPY
- trimethylpurine 9mo ago>What is stopping this lowlife Same as with all other crime, we hope it's the law that stops him. We hope that more policemen want to be good men than bad. The illusion of safety is based on the honor system. Society doesn't work without that.
- direwolf20 9mo agoDoes it actually work like we hope it does?
- AndrewKemendo 9mo agoNo and it never has It only works for people the state expects significant amounts of money from (taxes don’t count) Don’t expect a government to help you unless you’re one of its larger donors
- trimethylpurine 9mo agoDepends where, I think. Where your neighbors are mostly honorable, it mostly works. There are plenty of nice neighborhoods, and no shortage of bad ones either, sadly.
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- RHSeeger 9mo agoBut there are people trying to hide their locations even though they are here legally; because ICE has made it very clear they don't care if you're here legally or not. They arrest and deport US citizens. They arrest and deport people that show up to court to become US citizens. It's clear the government cannot be trusted to use information in a reasonable way; so we should not allow them to get that information.
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- anigbrowl 9mo ago'systematically' doing a lot of work here/ It happens, you know it happens, the fact that it's not supposed to happen doesn't validate that.
- chowchowchow 9mo ago>This is systematically not true as citizens can not be legally deported. And yet. >If someone is not a citizen and are here illegally they should be removed, no matter their intentions. If you are willing to break the law to stay here, I personally don't want them back in the country. Without even getting into the subject of kids who are brought here.. I just have to say, why? Immigrants are net contributors in the US. Many of these people who are here "illegally" are in a bureaucratic maze and are attempting to follow the rules. Some aren't, sure, but we live in a society where we don't draconianly punish people for a certain level of breaking the rules in cases where there is no real harm done. And I say deportation, particularly to 3rd country like the USA is doing now sometimes, qualifies as very draconian.
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- BLKNSLVR 9mo agoOne interesting point about the volume of data that might be available about any individual is that law enforcement will only look for data points that suit their agenda. They won't be searching for counter evidence. It won't even cross their minds to do so. You're on record saying one thing one time that was vanilla at the time but is now ultra spicy (possibly even because the definition of words can change and context is likely lost) then you'll be a result in their search and you'll go on their list. (This is based on my anecdotal experience of having my house raided and the police didn't even know to expect there to be children in the house; children who were both over ten years old and going to school and therefore easily searchable in their systems; we hadn't moved house since 15 years prior, so there was no question of mixing up an identity. The police requested a warrant, and a fucking judge even signed it, based on a single data point: an IP address given to them by a third party internet monitoring company.) Keep your shit locked down, law enforcement are just as bad at their jobs as any other Joe Clockwatcher. In fact they're often worse because their incentive structure leans heavily towards successful prosecution. Sorry for the rant.
- ClikeX 9mo agoThe nazi's were easily able to find jews in the Netherlands because of thorough census data. Collection of that data was considered harmless when they did it. But look at what kind of damage that kind of information can do.
- throw0101c 9mo ago> The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. Or if you're currently married to an abusive partner and want to leave: how can you make a clean break with all the tracking nowadays? (And given how 'uncivilized' these guys act in public (masked, semi-anonymous), I'd had to see what they do behind closed doors.)
- fastball 9mo agoWhen talking about government services, how do you have privacy? Does one not need to perform audits, etc? This is why I personally prefer more devolved spending – at the federal level it is far too much centralized power.
- abernard1 9mo ago> This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agency with, apparently, no accountability for following the law at all. It should be mentioned that "illegal" is a definitive word. There are definitely people not willing to follow the law, including political entities which are dependent on it. The moniker of privacy in this respect is a shield for illegality, because there is no reason that Medicaid data regarding SSNs should be shielded from the federal government. To take this to its logical conclusion, Americans must concede that EU/UK systems of identity and social services are inherently immoral.
- jmye 9mo agoI have a hard time parsing your first paragraph, but there is no reason at all for any part of the US government that isn't CMMS to have any access to Medicaid data, writ large, at all. And even CMMS should only see de-identified data. It's absolutely absurd to think that law enforcement has any reason to see anything in any MC database.
- jokoon 9mo agoThe source of the problem is the respect of the rule of law and due process Data collection is not the source of the problem because people give their data willingly Do you think data collection is a problem in China, or do you think the government and rule of law is the problem? Companies collecting data is not the true problem. Even when data collection is illegal, a corrupt government that doesn't respect the rule of law doesn't need data collection.
- contrarian1234 9mo agoyeah, this is exactly it. all the arguments kind of boil down to "well how about if the government does illegal or evil stuff?" its very similar to arguments about the second ammendment. But laws and rules shouldnt be structured around expecting a future moment where the government isnt serving the people. At that moment the rules already dont matter
- mixmastamyk 9mo agoYou just described the Bill of Rights. Constitutions should be structured around that.
- contrarian1234 9mo agoThe Rights are not intended as preemptive. You don't have a right to free speech b/c otherwise maybe the government regulation of speech will get out of hand. You have it because it's espoused as a fundamental right. Same with separation of church and state. It's like "Well maybe a future evil government will regulate the church poorly, so lets ban it completely". It's just seen as an area the government shouldn't delve in entirely. Collecting information about people doesn't really fit the same mold. It's not sensible to remove that function entirely. It's not a right. And it's not sensible to structure things with the expectation the future government will be evil
- fragmede 9mo ago> And it's not sensible to structure things with the expectation the future government will be evil Jewish Danes would like to have a word with you about that
- Aunche 9mo agoThat is not a good argument for privacy. I don't see how more privacy would have prevented any evil that has been doing.
- XorNot 9mo agoThe data isn't the problem, the jack-booted thugs kicking in doors is. Which is now literally happening and people are still acting like their privacy is going to somehow prevent it.
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- itsamario 9mo agoIf ice only goes after undocumented or expelled immigrants, why are they in the medicade system?
- MandieD 9mo agoUndocumented immigrants often have legally-resident and/or citizen family members who are eligible for Medicaid. But yes, it's disgusting that ICE has access to that data via Palantir, or that this data is being used for anything other than administering Medicaid.
- fuckyah 9mo ago[dead]
- cranberryturkey 9mo agoPost on http://icemap.app http://icemap.app anonymously
- SubiculumCode 9mo agoThis is the same thing I thought when liberal-minded folk talked about giving the Federal government more power over States in order to enact some good work, or to achieve some policy win. Yes, for now, I thought, but you can't assume a good natured centralized power will persist, and when it doesn't, what is your alternative? I have watched as liberal minded folks rediscover the value of State Sovereignty and power in the face of an autocratic Federal executive, bearing arms when the an autocrat sends masked agents to terrorize your city. Lean into it, I say. Winner take all Federal system means no alternative but to win at all costs, rather than live and let live. We need more, smaller, States. We need more Representatives than 1 per 700,000 citizens...by 10x
- MOAAARRR 9mo ago[dead]
- lm28469 9mo ago> The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. I'd say the classic example is when a small german man with a mustache starts looking in religious registries to find the address of certain types of people
- stephen_g 9mo agoIt’s usually not a great example because it’s basically the one thing that is “never going to happen here”. Normally the one about abusive law enforcement offices stalking ex-partners (or helping their buddies stalk their ex-partners) is better because it happens fairly regularly. We really are in unprecedented times when it’s looking like the big one could happen in the United States though…
- wilsonnb3 9mo agoI never really understood that angle - do you think the Germans would have thrown their hands up and not killed anyone because they lacked accurate data on who was Jewish?
- tj-teej 9mo agoAnd (with a heavy dose of purposeful suspension of disbelief), if ICE does deport those people they've determined are "illegal", does anyone believe that the agency will scale down and stop? There will be new "enemies of the state"
- mothballed 9mo agoThey won't run out of people to deport, because all those jobs (and occasionally, benefits) the illegals profit from will still exist. If you remove the people but not the incentive you just get new and different people. This is by design to make sure ICE and CBP jobs program for psychopaths always exists. Did you think they were actually going to put themselves out of the job by going for the roots?
- tlogan 9mo agoI do not think this is really about privacy as much as it is about our broken immigration system. Let’s look at a simple case where both Democrats and Republicans largely agree. On January 6, 2026, all South Sudanese nationals lost their TPS status and ordered to leave the US. At this point, they are all effectively declared illegal. I have not seen a single Democrat seriously argue that something should be done about this. So what do we think people from South Sudan will actually do? Pack their bags and return to South Sudan? My point is that a system where someone is admitted to the US completely legally, lives here for years, and is then suddenly reclassified as “illegal” is fundamentally broken.
- trinsic2 9mo agoIt reminds me of the Sokovia Accords Debate[0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmjRhmk800U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmjRhmk800U
- knifeinhead 9mo ago"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say" ~ Edward Snowden
- titzer 9mo agoPrivacy is one of the first defenses against tyranny. You can be a target of pressure through no fault of your own. For example, if you were to witness a government official commit a crime.
- rcpt 9mo agoWishful thinking but it would be real great if a future leader destroyed this infrastructure. I'm sure they'll run on not using it but when systems like this exist they tend to find applications
- acc_297 9mo agoWishful thinking but it would be real great if an engineer poisoned these datasets with bait entries
- Analemma_ 9mo agoIt’s not gonna happen. The people who work at Palantir, if they’re not just there for the money, think they’re doing the right thing, they see themselves as keeping the country safe and improving government efficiency (and who could be against that?)
- mikelitoris 9mo agoNobody thinks that. They are there for money.
- direwolf20 9mo agoEven Peter Thiel?
- kakacik 9mo agoEspecially Peter Thiel. Now we are not saying he doesn't internally agree with many things that are happening (I don't mean this specific topic but rather overall direction of US society), we know he does.
- gunsle 9mo agoThat’s just not true. There are plenty of people in defense tech that clearly believe they are doing the right thing. Same with those in the military. Their version of “right” is just different than yours. To them, ensuring American hegemony is more right than whatever your definition is.
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- loeg 9mo agoWhy would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among other sources. So, they have a tool that sucks up data from a bunch of different sources, including Medicaid. But there's no actual nexus between Medicaid and illegal immigrants in this reporting. Edit: In the link to their earlier filings, EFF claims that some states enroll illegal immigrants in Medicaid: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/eff-court-protect-our-health-data-dhs https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/eff-court-protect-our-...
- wahnfrieden 9mo ago[flagged]
- nxm 9mo agoDo explain
- lawn 9mo ago[flagged]
- philipallstar 9mo agoOnce upon a time this was such a shocking accusation that people just believed it, as who would lie about it? But when people say this for ten years at the drop of a hat, you have to forgive everyone else for not just automatically believing it any more.
- sambull 9mo ago“If it was up to Stephen [Miller], there would only be 100 million people in this country, and they would all look like him.” To accomplish things like that, a lot of us are going to be removed. I don't think these are jokes, it's a pattern of statements to condition and normalize. A thing he has done over and over.
- noitpmeder 9mo agoThis current administration and their policies have definitely influenced my opinion on the 2018 debate around citizenship questions on the US census. (For more context: https://www.tbf.org/blog/2018/march/understanding-the-census-citizenship-question-debate https://www.tbf.org/blog/2018/march/understanding-the-census...)
- eoskx 9mo agoGlad to see this post didn't get flagged like the one that was posted yesterday on a similar topic about ICE data mining and user tracking. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46748336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46748336
- therobots927 9mo agoGive it a few minutes
- amelius 9mo agoYes just wait until the topic changes from databases to the political side where the root of the problem lies.
- AlecSchueler 9mo agoThe title is already political. There's no other way to cut it.
- noncoml 9mo agoAaaand… it’s gone
- taurath 9mo agoIt likely will. There’s major impact on literally everyone in tech, there’s huge data privacy concerns, and it has less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery. The US gov could fall but that would count as politics here so clearly irrelevant.
- andy99 9mo ago> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.
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- sosomoxie 9mo agoYeah I'm against ICE and I don't want any immigrants deported.
- gruez 9mo ago/s? Otherwise you're proving his point, which is that there's no middle ground, only "ICE raids terrorizing people" and "sanctuary cities/states where local governments refuse to do any sort of immigration enforcement and specifically turn a blind eye to immigration status".
- direwolf20 9mo agoWhat actual, concrete benefit do you see from deporting immigrants?
- gruez 9mo ago>you see from deporting immigrants? Nice job sneakily changing "immigration enforcement" to "deporting immigrants".
- PlanksVariable 9mo agoThe question is about deporting illegal immigrants specifically, i.e. people who are in a country in violated of its immigration laws. I think the main benefit is the same as with any law: if you have a law with no consequences for the people who break it, you don’t really have a law. If we don’t have immigration laws, we have an open border and with an open border, we can’t regulate the rate at which people enter the country. This rate can easily exceed the amount that the country reasonably accommodate, which negative impact on housing, healthcare, welfare, transportation, civic cohesion, and education systems. Immigration law is standard around the world, with deportation being the standard response to people who violate that law. The more interesting question here is how you think a modern country will function and continue serving the needs of its citizens when it stops enforcing its immigration laws.
- belter 9mo ago"ICE Budget Now Bigger Than Most of the World’s Militaries" - https://www.newsweek.com/immigration-ice-bill-trump-2093456 https://www.newsweek.com/immigration-ice-bill-trump-2093456
- smitty1e 9mo agoI hope that we can agree that blowing off the 10A and allowing all of this federal bloat has not been a swift call. Social services left at the State level would be subject to a smaller pool of votes for approval and are more likely to be funded by actual tax revenue instead of debt. That is: sustainably. Furthermore, the lack of One True Database is a safety feature in the face of the inevitable bad actors. In naval architecture, this is called compartmentalization. There are good arguments against this, sure, but the current disaster before you would seem a refutation.
- paulryanrogers 9mo agoSome states are too poor to effectively fund and maintain their own safety nets. It's common for folks laid off in these states to get a dubious mental health diagnosis to justify SSDI, because doctors know they have no prospects and could well become homeless without it.
- smitty1e 9mo agoSo we mug other States rather than address the problem?
- paulryanrogers 9mo agoThese states may be fundamentally too resource poor to effectively maintain their populations. So collectively we agreed that richer states should subsidize them, because no one wants to see their neighbors suffer unnecessarily. And in the hope that newer generations may invent or unlock other resources to break the cycles of poverty. My fear is that many of these states are locked in a bubble of lies, a culture that longs for an imaginary and idealized past that never existed. That they'll continue raising generations of people who think they need to be an independent, 'rudged' individualist when that's never been possible anywhere. And once they fail they'll settle for punching down on people different than them.
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- mkoubaa 9mo agoAnd I used to roll my eyes at the homeless guy who ranted about the mark of the beast
- rconti 9mo ago... but I'm sure they'd never target "undesirably unhealthy" citizens with this data to harass..... If you work on this kind of tech, please, quit your job.
- ddtaylor 9mo agoSoft quit so they can continue to bleed money and delay further talent acquisition.
- brettermeier 9mo agoAnd blow up all backups.
- Swoerd123 9mo agoAnyone working at FAA(N)G is complicit at this point.
- cranberryturkey 9mo ago[flagged]
- OrvalWintermute 9mo agoUndocumented immigrants/illegal immigrants are not generally eligible for federally funded Medicaid coverage in the United States, as federal law restricts such benefits to U.S. citizens and certain qualified immigrants with lawful status. They are eligible for Emergency Medicaid, which covers emergency medical needs like labor and delivery or life-threatening conditions; hospitals that accept federal dollars for medicare/medicaid are required under federal law (EMTALA) to provide stabilizing emergency care regardless of immigration status or ability to pay.
- newfriend 9mo agoFederal law also restricts illegal aliens from entering the US without authorization.
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- EngineerUSA 9mo agoPalantir is interesting. Founded by a closeted German, run by an Israeli operative, and a 3rd arm of the federal gov. I wish we could prosecute it in my lifetime for the numerous violations of privacy it undertakes, but the world does not work that way. The rich enjoy private jets subsidized by our hard-earned taxes, while violating ideals held by our Founding fathers (for what would Thiel or the current CEO know about our morals, when they have none and are American by name only.. their loyalties lie elsewhere)
- midlander 9mo ago[flagged]
- yoyohello13 9mo agoIt is ironic that so many of the American billionaires decrying the erosion of American culture were not even born in America.
- EngineerUSA 9mo agoThiel, Musk and Murdoch (owner of Fox News) were not born here, and were not even brought up in households of American influence. America is undermined by an enemy within, because no enemy outside our nation can do us damage to the extent these charlatans have done so far
- midlander 9mo ago[flagged]
- tombert 9mo agoAt least the billionaires also act indignant when you suggest that they weren't singularly responsible for literally every good thing that has ever happened.
- terminalshort 9mo ago
- dogman123 9mo agopretty awesome that the new yc website touts gary tan's work at palantir as a positive "he was an early designer and engineering manager at Palantir (NYSE:PLTR), where he designed the company logo"
- therobots927 9mo agoWe’re talking inside the death star
- hackable_sand 9mo agoBro idk about you I'm on Endor
- cdrnsf 9mo agoThere's no reason to believe that ICE, DHS or any other agencies will use this data carefully, judiciously or in good faith. Instead, it's quite clear at this point that all they will do is abuse the power they do have, execute and antagonize anyone they disagree with and then lie despite ample evidence to the contrary. I'd say Palantir should be ashamed for facilitating this, but their entire business model is built around helping the government build an ever more invasive police state.
- notepad0x90 9mo agoDon't you at least need to legally migrate to be in medicaid? I thought I had to be a citizen? Are they full in a full on SS mode now?
- regenschutz 9mo agoThey're not just going after the so-called "illegal aliens", something made clear after the numerous extrajudicial killings by ICE officers recently, such as the one that occured yesterday.
- nailer 9mo agoSomeone bought a Sig Sauer gun that’s known to go off when moved suddenly (you can find as many videos as you want on the issue) - grabbed an agent and resisted arrest. The gun went off during the arrest, officers thought the man was firing at them. It’s tragic - the way to prevent this is to increase calm, give the federal officers some support, stop conspiracy theories (eg like the boy that abandoned by his father that people say was ‘arrested’ or your comment pretending it was a murder) and stop vigilante groups from causing chaos.
- JKCalhoun 9mo agoHas there been an investigation?
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- AngryData 9mo agoLol no, guns don't just magically go off when in a holster. Yes mechanical failures do happen, but it requires very specific types of impact in very specific ways that cannot happen when in a holster and are so rare as to happen on decade timescales with tens of thousands of the gun. Also I saw zero evidence of that guys gun going off in the video, the first shot heard is the shot coming out of the ICE goon's gun that he is pointing at that guy, who then also mag dumps him while he is on the ground.
- kjellsbells 9mo agoFWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws. https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/IF/PDF/IF11912/IF11912.4.pdf https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/IF/PDF/IF1191...
- vannucci 9mo ago[flagged]
- hackermatic 9mo agoWhat about finding them through the records of their citizen children? Edit: cael450 has already offered a specific example of this threat vector: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46758387 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46758387
- financetechbro 9mo agoThis is really insane levels of evil.
- josephcsible 9mo ago> FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to. Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly?
- tomlockwood 9mo agoThe people working for Palantir are collaborators.
- smi-nvidia 9mo ago[dead]
- testing22321 9mo agoThe US Attorney General also just said they’ll withdraw ICE from Minnesota if they hand over voter registration files. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-tim-walz-letter-voter-files-11413859 https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-ti... They’re not even hiding the fact this has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with compiling lists of people to target later.
- rlt 9mo agoHow would they target people using voter rolls? Is the concern that it includes party affiliation? Couldn't they just provide the rolls without party affiliation? Honestly it seems crazy even state governments know party affiliation. I know it's so they know who can vote in primaries etc, but it seems like you should just be able to register to vote with your party directly.
- testing22321 9mo agoYes, they’re going to go after anyone that voted for the other party. Trump already said they would, I guess this is how
- egonschiele 9mo agoNot just Minnesota, they've asked all states for voter registration lists and ballots from previous elections. 11 states have complied so far. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/tracker-justice-department-requests-voter-information https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/trac...
- RealityVoid 9mo agoI'm afraid of the day strongmen come into power in my country and start targeting people on their social media history. I'm sure to end on _some sort_ of naughty list. You kind of get how people become depoliticized and apathetic when resistance has no apparent effect and speaking up only gets you in trouble. That's how civic societies atrophy and die.
- indubioprorubik 9mo agoYes, all you had to do is find transport companies that dont hand in gas bills in the tax season and they just pop up aus fraudulent.
- mystraline 9mo agoRight now, in Belarus, amateur radio operators are being considered "enemies of the state". Naturally they all are registered with the govt, and thus easy to pick up, jail, or murder. This is the type of danger where last year amateur radio was legal, and now it gets you jailed. Thats the danger of this sort of data.
- guerrilla 9mo agoIf you have, you should post articles in English about that. People would be interested.
- epakai 9mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46703694 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46703694 (5 days ago, 7 comments) Belarus begins a death penalty purge of radio amateurs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708996 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46708996 (4 days ago, 1 comment) HAM Radio Operators in Belarus Arrested, Face the Death Penalty
- starkeeper 9mo agoMedicaide data is pretty much covered by HIPPA. So Evil. Also it seems like it is too late, even if a court says do not do it, they will anyway and get away with it since the supreme court rules the president is allowed to break the law. HELP I AM SOOOO F**NG ANGRY. Sorry I just don't have anywhere to safely put this rage.
- fluidcruft 9mo agoHIPAA has mechanisms that allow government access (even if it were not Medicaid).
- self_awareness 9mo ago> HELP I AM SOOOO F*NG ANGRY. Sorry I just don't have anywhere to safely put this rage. I think you would benefit from someone to talk to about this.
- alphawhisky 9mo agoBuild yourself and your community up. We're all mad. We all want to see justice. Don't despair.
- libpcap 9mo agoImmigration laws, like any other laws, need to be enforced, right?
- sam-cop-vimes 9mo agoYes, with humanity and with respect for due process. And laws should not be applied selectively against people you don't like while turning a blind eye to violations by people on 'your side'.
- anigbrowl 9mo agoHave you actually read immigration laws? They are not as Manichean or prescriptive as many commenters make them out to be. Enforcement-first proponents often seem unaware of or indifferent to the difference between civil and riminal violations and the lack of mandatory remedies. I've also noticed a distinct tendency to hyperbolize and outsize lie about past policy choices in order to justify their position.
- interestpiqued 9mo agoI don't think most people on either side of this issue can speak to the nuances of immigration law.
- cauch 9mo agoA lot of people who support the current US government do not want the laws to be enforced, they just want to see people who look brown or foreigners to be deported, regardless of if they are in the US legally or illegally. The immigration laws are saying that we should stop illegal immigration, but respect the legal immigration. And because of that, it means that each case should be carefully treated to discover if the person is illegal or not. But a majority of people supporting the crack-down on immigration are more than happy to see 10 innocents being deported if it means 1 illegal being deported, and they will wave around the illegal being deported to explain that before the crack-down, the law was not respected, forgetting that the current situation is breaking the law way more than the previous one (before: 1 illegal not deported, 1 error. after: 10 innocents being deported, 10 errors). In other words: if you care about the law, you cannot "pick and choose" and say "the laws are not respected because 1 illegal is not deported" but also "10 innocents are being deported, this breaks the law, but this does not count".
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- journal 9mo agoPalantir missed out on JSON as ticker symbol.
- xzjis 9mo agoImagine what they could do with mental health data if they ever decide to start deporting people with mental "problems", just like the Nazis did in their time. The same goes for people with physical disabilities.
- rustystump 9mo agoOr religious affiliation oops wait that one already happened.
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- stuaxo 9mo agoTangent: Palentir should absolutely not be granted NHS contracts.
- befeltingu 9mo agoHow could a non citizen who came illegally be on Medicaid?
- laluser 9mo agoIt’s likely citizen children on Medicaid with potentially undocumented parents that they are targeting, which is pretty sad to think about.
- Jun8 9mo agoThey cannot receive from federally funded Medicaid but some states have programs or state-funded Medicaid programs that allow non-citizens to benefit. CA and NY do for some categories. See this example for WI: https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/medicaid/noncitizens.htm https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/medicaid/noncitizens.htm
- self_awareness 9mo agoThese programs really support illegal immigrants? They support legal immigrants, for sure, but the question was about illegal immigrants?
- JuniperMesos 9mo agoThe states that run these programs have political leadership that doesn't want to make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, and wants to give state -funded benefits to illegal immigrants, and so deliberately doesn't check citizenship or legal residency status when you apply for benefits.
- jpollock 9mo agoOne way to use this data is to increase the success rate of random stops. 1) Take the medicaid data. 2) Join that with rental/income data. 3) Look for neighborhoods with cheap rents/low income and low medicaid rates. Dragnet those neighborhoods.
- terminalshort 9mo agoMuch easier just to ask a local cop "what neighborhoods do the illegals mostly live in?"
- siliconc0w 9mo agoThe fourth amendment is basically gone at this point. Private companies can harvest location data from phones or facial recognition cameras/license plate readers in public spaces and sell that to entities like Palantir that aggregate it for government use (or for other commercial use). No warrants required, very little oversight (especially in this admin).
- PostOnce 9mo agoOne favorable ruling could cause all of that corporate fuckery to come crashing down, but it doesn't seem imminent.
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- exogeny 9mo agoYou're right. I guess that means we should deny them any due process, target them (and anyone who looks like them, even vaguely) indiscriminately, and murder anyone who deigns to get in our way.
- hackable_sand 9mo agoYes, your rewrite is known as propaganda. Say it with the class: Propa- -ganda Propaganda! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_propaganda
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- carlosft 9mo agoThere is a lot of room between unfettered immigration and having a roving band of apparently unaccountable agents violating 1st, 4th, and 6th amendment rights while also gunning down unarmed citizens in the streets. We could try mandating e-verify with increasing penalties before we start asking people for papers and kicking down doors.
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- bigyabai 9mo ago> discouraging local law enforcement support of federal law enforcement. Strawman. You can't blame ICE's failure to sustain due process on local law enforcement, even if you think they're against you. Their hands are clean because they avoided cooperating with ICE.
- JohnnyMarcone 9mo agoAccount created 20 days ago.
- kbmckenna 9mo agoThis feels like an argument that the feds have no choice but to trample on our rights because we’re not agreeing to it up front. There was a memo that they didn’t need a warrant to enter peoples houses. That is morally wrong and also a recipe for violence. Why should local leaders trust the feds at all when they claim that Alex Pretti was an “assassin” and “domestic terrorist”?
- carlosft 9mo agoThere is a reason ICE wasn't shooting unarmed civilians prior to operation metro surge, which only started in December, 2025. Standard ICE operations are targeted and generally quite. Operation Metro Storm is neither. These are intentionally provocative and involve agents performing traffic stops and harassing people on the street for no other reason than (it increasingly appears) the color of their skin. Lets see them deploy 3000 agents to West Texas or Hialeah for a few weeks. I am guessing those local populations might have a few problems with it as well.
- arius 9mo agoWake up Americans, your country is becoming a shitshow.
- spicyusername 9mo agoThe problem seems to be that half of America voted for this, twice, and will continue cheering this kind of outcome on, despite any amount of evidence it is harmful. Something, something, even dumber than that.
- FilosofumRex 9mo agoSo it appears Medicaid recipients data is target rich for illegals, who would have guessed that?
- Swoerd123 9mo agoIt's time for Americans to overthrow the Trump regime.
- smashah 9mo agoIt's time Iran Blitzkrieged D.C in order to free the American people from the MegaPedoEpsteinEllison Regime
- orochimaaru 9mo agoI didn’t get the article completely. Is ICE using Medicaid data to identify citizens or is it using it to identify people not legally in the country? Medicaid is meant to be used only by citizens and green card holders who are eligible to be citizens.
- Aurornis 9mo agoI’m also confused. I think the Medicaid data might just be one additional source they’ve added to a data lake style system, which they pull from for some reporting based on address? So if ICE puts your address into their computer, they get to see something about the people inside. How much do they see? Do they get to see your medical conditions too? Could a creatively inclined person get an LLM to read medical data out of it? Who knows, there’s no transparency for this sharing.
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- nailer 9mo agoDang was this article manually unflagged ? The comments are just angry insults and a good reason the flags should have been left on.
- daveguy 9mo agoHopefully.
- diggyhole 9mo agoWait, I thought illegal immigrants don't have medicaid? Weird.
- freakynit 9mo agoI summarized all comments using LLM for better reading: https://hn-discussions.top/palantir-ice-medicaid-surveillance/ https://hn-discussions.top/palantir-ice-medicaid-surveillanc...
- titzer 9mo agoSomething seems to have gone wrong with the timestamps on comments on this thread. At present nearly all comments have been posted < 4 min ago. I know I'm slowing down as I get older, but I don't think the internet is jabbering that fast, is it?
- tomhow 9mo agoYes, sorry, that was a keyboard error on my part as I'm working very late at night to deal with a follow-up/duplicate thread about this topic that hit the front page. We'll restore all the correct timestamps in due course. I'm manually doing the top level ones now.
- titzer 9mo agoThanks!
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- Fischgericht 9mo agoAnd still there are people here using Twittler for communication. Who drive Swasticars. Who applaud AntichrisThiel. RapisTrump from the parts of Germany known to grow Potatoes in the soil and in the minds. It's a pity our American friends haven't noticed that while yes, indeed, the worst of the worst scum got sent to the US. It is just that you had set your brain UI theme to dark mode, and did not notice that the threat isn't that kid with brown skin getting sent to concentration camp by your Gestapo, but those "we want immigrants that look like they are from Norway" folks. 1) In the distant past, you US Americans still had libraries. You could have used them to find out what there is a reason we over here in Europe and Africa did not want the Trunps and Thiels and Musks and Karps. 2) For those who are reading this from inside the US: At what point if EVER are you going to get out of your chair, use your second amendment rights, and get rid of your crazy fascist brainworm Nazi scum that you had been praying to? I know. It is too much to ask for. OK OK. Outside of your comfort zone to fight back. Then go watch MELANIA, a documentation on how about rape and abuse and illegal immigration is totally fine as long as your skin has the right color and the boob job was done well. 1) I myself am German, male, straight, blonde hair. I am allowed to say that our type is the cancer of the human race. After all these hundreds of years, you STILL haven't understood you can not trust us? 2) I know Karp is not from Germany. But he wrote his doctoral thesis in Germany, and it can be summarized as "I am a totally crazy asshole and want to cause as much pain and suffering as possible onto humanity, can I please do that kthxbye?"
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