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My Impressions of the MacBook Pro M4
- amelius 11mo ago[flagged]
- sunaookami 11mo agomacOS does not have auto update. In fact it doesn't bother you with any updates which lead to me behind patches behind because I was accustomed to Windows nagging me for updates every week.
- signa11 11mo agomine seems to be doing just that pretty religiously. how do you avoid the nagging ?
- p0w3n3d 11mo agoThe nagging might be enabled by the IT support of the company you work in. Mine is also not nagging but the company one used to do it quite often
- adastra22 11mo agoIt nags by default. There is a plist setting to turn it off though.
- signa11 11mo agoplease do let the mere mortals and linux refugees know ! thank you !
- signa11 11mo agook, finally got a chance to look at it in some detail, and here is the scoop: let's see what the values are ? % defaults read com.apple.SoftwareUpdate this gives me: { AvailableUpdatesNotificationCountKey = "-1"; AvailableUpdatesNotificationProductKey = "MSU_UPDATE_24G90_patch_15.6.1_minor"; MajorOSUserNotificationDate = "2032-12-31 23:22:47 +0000"; UserNotificationDate = "2032-12-31 23:22:47 +0000"; } ofcourse those are modified values, which is done like so: % defaults write com.apple.SoftwareUpdate AvailableUpdatesNotificationCountKey -1 % defaults write com.apple.SoftwareUpdate UserNotificationDate -date "2032-12-31 23:22:47 +0000" you get the idea. with this, i don't see the nags just yet, but probably it is a bit early to conclude ?
- adastra22 11mo agoSorry I didn't see this earlier, but yes, that's the settings I was referring to.
- javier2 11mo agoIts usually just a persistent red dot on system settings and the menu that there is an update.
- hexbin010 11mo agoPro tip: remove 'Settings' from the dock, create a shortcut to the 'Settings' app, and put that in the dock. Now you just have an annoying tiny black arrow instead of a red dot.
- hexbin010 11mo ago> In fact it doesn't bother you with any updates Patently false on modern MacOS. I get a reminder about Tahoe every week or two. Plus a persistent red "1" dot in the Settings app that you can't dismiss. And a huge info/advert panel in the 'Software Update' section of Settings about Tahoe, that you can't dismiss.
- arbirk 11mo agoYou won't notice 8ms difference in input lag
- moonAA 11mo agoagree
- Scene_Cast2 11mo agoI have 165Hz monitors. Software feels noticeably more snappy.
- bitwize 11mo agoMusicians can feel latencies as low as 1ms. Apple is designing pro gear for its target audience.
- 542458 11mo agoDo you have a source for that? I saw a study a short while ago showing the “just noticeable difference” for audio latency was best case around 26ms. https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3678299.3678331 https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3678299.3678331
- spacechild1 11mo agoI definitely notice the difference between 10 ms and 26 ms. 26 ms already feel sluggish when playing drums, guitars or keyboard instruments. But there is no way anyone can feel a difference of 1 ms.
- relaxing 11mo agoThe study wasn’t conducted with musicians making music.
- Hnrobert42 11mo agoIt depends on the frequency. At higher frequencies, the ear is capable of higher time precision. It's why a snare pops and a bass drum blooms.
- weinzierl 11mo ago"My ideal MacBook would probably be a MacBook Air, but with the nano-texture display! :)" Mine as well. What is the likelihood this will happen? I have a hunch it will not and they will either scrap the nano texture completely or keep it as differentiator for the Pro line, but I am curious what others think.
- raggi 11mo agoMine too, and I bought an air in the last generation and I barely use it because I thought the 60hz display would be ok, but I've been living with 120's everywhere for long enough the 60hz is actually horrible to use now. First world problems for sure, but it's enough that I literally don't use the machine.
- oofbey 11mo agoI’ve used MBP for many many years, but recently bought an MB Air. I slightly miss the extra ports. I love how much lighter it is. I never notice a speed difference. I’m always ssh’d into a Linux box if crunching any real data, and for UI stuff the CPU doesn’t need a fan at all. Definitely gonna stick with MB Air.
- carbocation 11mo agoOne thing that wasn't mentioned is the max sustained screen brightness for SDR, which is higher on the M4 Pro (1000 nits) compared to the M4 Air or M1 Pro (500 nits).
- flyinglizard 11mo agoThere’s an awesome app called Vivid which just opens the HDR max brightness. I use it all the time with my M3 Pro when working outside and I believe it also works on earlier models.
- whycome 11mo agoThere are so many base features that are inexplicably relegated to 3rd party apps. Like a better finder experience. Or keeping screen on. Or NTFS writing.
- filoleg 11mo ago> There are so many base features that are inexplicably relegated to 3rd party apps. > Like a better finder experience. > Or keeping screen on. Do you mind linking or naming which tools you use for those 2 purposes? Asking out of pure curiosity, as for keeping the screen on, I just use `caffeinate -imdsu` in the terminal. Previously used Amphetamine, but I ended up having some minor issues with it, and I didn't need any of its advanced features (which could definitely be useful to some people, I admit, just not me). I just wanted to have a simple toggle for "keep the device and/or display from sleeping" mode, so I just switched to `caffeinate -imdsu` (which is built-in). As for Finder, I didn't really feel the need for anything different, but I would gladly try out and potentially switch to something better, if you are willing to recommend your alternative.
- dan_can_code 11mo agoNot op but raycast is for sure an improvement on the stock finder. https://www.raycast.com/ https://www.raycast.com/
- treetalker 11mo ago> (When I chose the new laptop, Apple’s M4 chips were current. By now, they have released the first devices with M5 chips.) Does anyone have any feedback on the new M5 models?
- danielbln 11mo agoI upgraded from M4 to M5 MBP because I broke my M4's screen and so my company ordered a replacement M5 while the M4 is being repaired. I can't really notice a difference at all. It's an absolute work horse, but so was the M4. I _did_ spring for the nano texture display this time around, and that is definitely nice (but nothing to do with the M5)
- j_bum 11mo agoDo you think you’ll have any regrets about the nano texture display? I was torn between nano and regular glass, but opted for the regular glass.
- ymyms 11mo agoI have the nano-texture display on my M4. At this point, I don't think I can go back to standard glass. For text work, I find there are no downsides. If you work more with color and detailed art, I think that's the only case where you need to put extra thought into it. Otherwise get it
- pcdoodle 11mo agoI hate to say it but it's totally worth it. Direct sunlight incredible.
- danielbln 11mo agoNo, I love it. I had non-matte glass screens in my MacBooks since 2012 and I didn't realize how much better it is to no longer see lights reflected in there all the time.
- danaris 11mo agoI got the nanotexture on my current work M4 MBP—it doesn't completely eliminate reflected light, but it diffuses it a lot. If I were in a dark room with a light source positioned perfectly to reflect off my screen in my face, I would probably still have trouble with it, but in general I don't need to reposition the screen to avoid glare nearly as much. I would say it's worth the extra, what, $200 or so? on the price of the M4 MBP. If it were much more expensive, I would be less sure.
- __mharrison__ 11mo agoIncredible hardware. Love that I can also run local llms on mine. https://github.com/Aider-AI/aider/issues/4526 https://github.com/Aider-AI/aider/issues/4526
- amelius 11mo agoBut are these llms worth their salt?
- teaearlgraycold 11mo agoWith 128GB of memory they can have real world use cases. But they won’t be as good as SoTA hosted models.
- BoorishBears 11mo agoThey're not unless you curve the grading because they're running locally. Which some people do, but I don't think the average person asking this question does (and I don't)
- bigyabai 11mo agoIf you bought a fully-featured computer that supports compute shaders and didn't run local LLMs, you should be protesting in the street.
- ericmcer 11mo agoCan't you run small LLMs on like... a Macbook air M1? Some models are under 1B weights, they will be almost useless but I imagine you could run them on anything from the last 10 years. But yeah if you wanna run 600B+ weights models your gonna need an insane setup to run it locally.
- accrual 11mo ago> My ideal MacBook would probably be a MacBook Air, but with the nano-texture display! :) I agree on the nano-texture display having used one in person for a little bit. It's sort of like an ultra fine matte texture that isn't noticable while using it, but is noticable compared to other devices in the same room. I hope it becomes a more standard option on future devices. That said, I've used Thinkpads with matte displays and while not as fine, they mostly have the same benefit.
- ymyms 11mo agoI think my ideal would be a MacBook Air with both the nano-texture and higher 120hz refresh rate the Pro has. With that, I'll trade an extra second of compile time for my rust projects for the smaller form factor.
- nofunsir 11mo agoare rust devs the new vegans?
- krashidov 11mo agoDang I was gonna get one with nano texture but the opinion was 50/50 everywhere so I went with the Devil I know
- rsingel 11mo agoIt's the first matte screen on a MacBook since 2011. I ran that thing for like 6 years til the replacement for the failed GPU failed again. More matte screens please!
- christophilus 11mo agoI’d love an air with a high density display. My mom has an M1 air, and its resolution is not great. Everything looks a bit blurry compared with my 4K Dell XPS my wife’s MacBook Pro m4 display. I guess the air’s native resolution means it has to do fractional scaling.
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- anonymous344 11mo agowhy is it getting hot? i noticed my ola macbook pro was connected to my router even when it was sleeping.. probably sending some private info periodically to apple and cia
- jlund-molfese 11mo agoIf you'd like to change that, you can go to System Settings → Battery → Options → Wake for Network Access Or just search for "Power Nap" (what it used to be called). They usually wake up intermittently for Time Machine backups, wake-on-lane and other stuff.
- ProllyInfamous 11mo agoI have mine set to `NEVER` [wake for network access] and yet it still makes DNS requests often while asleep. Curiously, it is able to maintain network connection even through the 1/4" steel of the safe it's stored within. The older Intel MBP doesn't and cannot.
- javier2 11mo agoI have done this, yet every now and then my macbook still wants to connect to my bluetooth headphones from my backpack.
- jlund-molfese 11mo agoHah, sounds like OS X! I have every possible Universal Control setting turned off, yet the process continues running and slurping up CPU cycles. It's impossible to kill or really disable unless you turn off SIP, and I'd prefer not to do that.
- rottencupcakes 11mo agoIt's classic Apple to spend over a decade insisting that that glossy screens were the best option, and then to eventually roll out a matte screen as a "premium" feature with a bunch of marketing around it.
- m463 11mo agoI wonder if they will (re)introduce premium keyboards with sculpted keys that self-center your fingers someday. magsafe coming back was nice, maybe more extra ports?
- dylan604 11mo agoMagSafe + SD card reader + headphone jack + USB-C/TB4 only ports is fine by me. In 2025, I'm well past needing USB-C to USB-A dongles. We've had since what 2015/16 to start the conversion to C only.
- fpoling 11mo agoMy car from 2023 still came with USB-A port. No-so cheap USB camera that I recently bought came with USB-A port.
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- pcdoodle 11mo agoWe used to sell conversion kits to shoehorn a pixel qi display into the thinkpad x230. Since apple has put in 1,000nit displays on the pros, we don't bother anymore. The nano texture sold me and it performs wonderfully outdoors. I hate giving apple money but here I am.
- lisbbb 11mo agoIt's because Apple sucks the least. They still suck, though. They could build decent computers that are upgradeable, but they refuse because they want your $$$$ in large amounts.
- commandersaki 11mo agoHonestly I hate giving money to Lenovo, they're one of the worst companies I've had to deal with at least when it comes to support.
- koiueo 11mo ago+1 to that. Simply horrendous post-purchase support. Company representatives on all levels, from a simple technician to head of Linux support department, will be lying straight in your face, just to scam a few thousands bucks out of you. But their keyboards are still the best, and trackpoint is unmatched. As soon as System76 or Framework or any other vendor offer that, I'm giving them my money.
- nomilk 11mo ago> The nano texture display is great at reducing reflections. I could immediately see the difference when placing two laptops side by side: The bright Apple Store lights showed up very prominently on the normal display, and were almost not visible at all on the nano texture display. This is a quiet boon for those who enjoy working outdoors but find the sun/brightness a problem.
- 13415 11mo agoAfter 18 years of Mac-abstinence, I just bought a MacBook Air and realized there is apparently no way to change the App Store language without changing region and payment method. WTF? That seems like the most basic thing one could imagine. What has happened to Apple?
- zrm 11mo agoThat seems like classic Apple, really.
- Aloisius 11mo agoI was able to switch the App Store language from English to Spanish by changing my primary language in System Settings > Language & Region > Preferred Languages. It didn't require me to switch my region or payment method.
- killingtime74 11mo agoWhy did you think Apple was user friendly or flexible...it's the Apple way or the highway. Most only stick around because of the currently superior hardware
- gorgoiler 11mo ago20 years ago I bought a G3 iBook because the hardware was lovely and the system was supported perfectly by stock Debian woody. (Hands up if you remember having to bless your laptop with “holy penguin pee”, part of the output of the yaboot bootloader used in PowerPC systems!) Times changed and the best hardware for me right now is a Dell XPS from the model lines a few years back that looked like an aluminum sandwich with a black plastic filling. These machines are fantastic but (1) no OLED, (2) now high speed refresh rate, and (3) the keyboard isn’t great. Could this modern Apple hardware bring me back to Free OS on pretty hardware, or is there something else I should try?
- dunham 11mo agoI bought one of those iBooks for Debian linux, but I found the resolution was a bit small for X. At the time, I had a thing for non-intel architectures. Prior to that, I had done a lot of work packaging up Debian for Sparc machines. I had access to a wide variety of Sun workstations at my job as a sysadmin at a university.
- jitl 11mo agoAsahi (Linux) lags quite far behind the latest Apple hardware release. If you want the Linux experience on Apple hardware, I think the best move is full-screen VM. Performance of that is more than good enough, but it does mean you are running a full non-free software stack to get to your free software VM.
- dr_pardee 11mo ago> I still don’t like macOS and would prefer to run Linux on this laptop. But Asahi Linux still needs some work before it’s usable for me (I need external display output, and M4 support). This doesn’t bother me too much, though, as I don’t use this computer for serious work. “I don’t use this computer for serious work.” Dropped $3K on MBP to play around with. Definitely should have gotten MBA
- criddell 11mo agoIf you are going to start making a list of expensive hobbies, $3K for a computer isn't going to be anywhere near the top of the list.
- IshKebab 11mo agoI think it actually would be quite near the top, in terms of ranking. Most hobbies are a lot cheaper. Of course, not near the top in terms of money because there are a few hobbies that cost vastly more.
- brulard 11mo agoWhat do you mean "in terms of ranking" vs "in terms of money"?
- IshKebab 11mo agoI mean if you ranked all the hobbies in terms of cost, casually spending $3k on a laptop would be near the top of the list. But there are a small number of hobbies that are vastly more expensive. The distribution is highly skewed. Like wealth. The 99th percentile are near the top in rank (by definition) but nowhere near the top in absolute terms.
- mingus88 11mo agoThere’s some nuance to it. Judging by the authors preference for Linux, I’m guessing this hobby has some professional applications as well. $3k is the price of a very nice guitar, but I am not about to casually shell out that money every few years. However, I earn my wage using a computer, so it’s a lot easier to justify staying relatively current on specs.
- kome 11mo agoi'll never understand picky preferences about monitors... i still use an LG flatron wide that's old enough to vote... and when i slack at the apple store, it's not like i notice some life-or-death difference. a monitor is a monitor. ok, i guess for graphic designers it might matter more?
- Tagbert 11mo agoOr people who read text.
- skylurk 11mo agoSome old LCD displays were quite crisp. Sure, you can see individual pixels. The mouse tail has a clear zig-zag. But I find these nice on the eyes in their own way. I suspect because eyes autofocus more easily. New super high-res displays are also nice on my eyes. The displays in between, those from the last decade or so, have been hit or miss for me.
- kome 11mo agothat's me, and it really doesn't matter
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- blindriver 11mo agoI still have a 2019 MacBook Pro with the non-butterfly keyboard and escape key (unfortunately still the Touch Bar). It’s still a great laptop except the battery lasts maybe 75 mins. I just keep it plugged in but despite the fact it’s 6 years old I don’t notice any problems with it. I’m tempted to buy an M4 laptop just because it’s “new” and “faster” but then I ask myself Why? It’s the same thing with my iPhone. Until my laptop dies or there is something functional that I can’t do with my old laptop I’m going to keep using it.
- operatingthetan 11mo agoI have an M1 air that still lasts 7-8 hours on one charge. It's very different than the Intel battery life which I had 5 or 7 machines over the years.
- willsmith72 11mo agodepends on use, I had the same laptop but the speed increase when I upgraded to an M3 was easily worth it
- lisbbb 11mo agoI couldn't really trust the author of the review after he established his preference for "quiet computers" having no cooling slots or whatever he called them. Okay, fine, you're placing aesthetics above actual performance, then. The Pro laptops are the only ones viable for any really hardcore work because if you push the Air too hard it is going to just slow down in order to stay cool and that's not what you want if you are doing graphics work or in my case, I was running a bunch of containers in K8s. I never bought an Air because it was too similar to an iPad. The thing that mostly irks me about Apple these days is soldered in RAM and non-upgradeable storage. Apple is still the best thing going for doing most pro development work, but it's just so irritating that they shit on us like this. I did buy an M4 Mini and expanded it some. My 2019 MB Pro is siting here on the desk, mostly unused these days. The Intel Macs are basically dead now--still great computers, but no longer desirable. My daughter is doing Graphic Arts in college and is using another 2019 Pro for that. I've used Macs continuously since at least 2014.
- PlunderBunny 11mo ago>The thing that mostly irks me about Apple these days is soldered in RAM and non-upgradeable storage. Isn't the 'soldered-in' RAM and storage fundamental to the M-series architecture? It's not like there's a board with individual chips sitting in it for the RAM and storage, that could potentially have been 'popped out' if they weren't soldered in. It's all one giant 'chip' now.
- quitit 11mo agoAn frequently overlooked point is the display brightness. The pro models offer 1600 nits peak brightness, which makes these good units for looking at HDR content, especially if you like to take photos or edit videos. Meanwhile the Air maxes out at 500 nits, so the effect and contrast is drastically reduced for those models.
- nwienert 11mo agoNot just that but you can use Brightentosh to force it on. I live in a sunny place with big windows and basically use it all day every day. When it turns off my screen feels broken I so prefer the brightness.
- sufehmi 11mo agoHi thank you so much ! I live in the tropics and often works outdoor and THIS is a lifesaver !! Thanks again! https://www.brightintosh.de/ https://www.brightintosh.de/
- ricardobeat 11mo agoNormal content is still limited to 500 nits, and these being mini-LED displays, contrast is already infinite. Unless you’re making Instagram content, very few photographers use HDR. Everything else will look the same on both screens.
- wtallis 11mo ago> and these being mini-LED displays, contrast is already infinite. I think you may have mixed up mini-LED backlighting with OLED and microLED displays. mini-LED backlights merely allow for better local dimming of the backlight behind an LCD, but the number of independently variable backlight zones is still orders of magnitude smaller than the number of pixels. Over short distances, an LCD with local dimming is still susceptible to all of the contrast-limiting downsides of an LCD with a uniform static backlight (and local dimming brings new challenges of its own). OLED is the mainstream display technology where individual pixels directly emit their own light, so you can truly have a completely black pixel next to a lit pixel. But there are still layers and coatings between the OLED and the user, so infinite contrast isn't actually achievable. microLED is an unsuccessful technology to provide the benefits of OLED without as many of the downsides (primarily, the uneven aging). But nobody has managed to make large microLED displays economically yet, and it doesn't look like the tech will be going mainstream anytime soon.
- proee 11mo agoI was on the fence for same reason - should I get the nano display? I opted for the 15" MBA, and the display has been great. Way better than my 2019 Macbook Pro. I've had zero issues with glare, but I'm also in an office environment during the day and use it at night when home.
- mrcwinn 11mo agoSame experience. I cannot consider any screen that does not have the nano texture coating. It is exceptional and a huge improvement. To the point that I actually prefer a tester Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra over Apple’s own iPhone display.
- bdcravens 11mo agoI may have to check out the new nano display. The old matte display was really a superior choice to the glossy screens of the past several years.
- quanto 11mo agoHow is Apple's nano-textured display different from ThinkPad's famed matte display?
- shwaj 11mo agoThe part about noticing web pages loading (at most) 8ms faster due to the display is total nonsense. Many can notice the difference between 60 and 120Hz when scrolling, but definitely not for a page load. That’s less than 1/10th of the blink of an eye. If page load seems noticeably faster, it’s far more likely that it’s simply a faster machine. Or imaginary.
- yalogin 11mo agoHow much of a difference would I see in compute between an M2 and M4 for example? Assuming it’s the same RAM. Did they also make the gpu and neural engine that much better between the two?
- petethepig 11mo agofunny i was recently picking between a glossy and nano texture screen and came to the opposite conclusion — the glossy screen’s image was so much more crisp, and i didn’t really see much difference in terms of reflection
- cottsak 11mo ago> I don’t use this computer for serious work. Next.
- moooo99 11mo agoWhy is this notion that basically only opinions on stuff that you've used in a work capacity are valid so widespread here?
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- msephton 11mo agoI also went for the fantastic nano texture display on my M4, after having glossy my M1. Very happy with the decision as I use the laptop in brightly lit enviroments so appreciate fewer reflections. Going back to a glossy display is a shock.
- zepolen 11mo agoI have done real work, using a computer 10+ hours a day on every ecosystem, Windows, Linux, Mac. I've used each for ~10 years a piece. My most recent laptop died and it really showed me what I appreciate in a laptop, performance, build quality, lightweight, good battery, low noise, good ergonomics. I was sick of the recent overheating generation of pc laptops that don't last more than a couple years under my usage. As a result I decided to try to switch back to a macbook after a decade hiatus. The hardware is good but the software is absolute garbage. Trialing it for a week the amount of bullshit that is MacOS was enough, and Asahi wasn't there yet either. Instead I decided to get an AMD framework laptop. Best decision ever. I have a laptop that's got great quality, can be upgraded without paying a $5k tax, can replace the keyboard for $100 instead of $700, it works with me rather than against me and my wallet.
- iammrpayments 11mo agoWhich one did you buy? I’m also considering leaving mac just because of how slow and battery intensive the new macOS tahoe is.
- zepolen 11mo agohttps://frame.work/gr/en/products/laptop13-diy-amd-ai300/configuration/new https://frame.work/gr/en/products/laptop13-diy-amd-ai300/con... with the AI 7 350 because I was concerned on heat but given the choice to buy again I'd go with the HX370.
- charlie0 11mo agoIt's always interesting to see users have somewhat strong opinions over fan vs fanless. I could never go Macbook Air again because I've been to hotter climates and do things beyond just using a browser and invariably the keyboard gets too warm for my fingertips. I need the MBPs fans and Mac Fan Control, noise be dammed.
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- Rapzid 11mo agoHeh, matte; finally. Gloss is such a PITA if you can't control what's behind you, which ironically is a pretty common dev-with-macbook experience. Walking around to different parts of the office. Off-sites. Etc. I've only purchased matte screen laptops because I only use them for travel. Lenovo pretty much. Also prefer semi-gloss for my monitors as I work in well lit daylight conditions if I can help it. There have been very high quality semi-gloss monitors for ages now.
- jofzar 11mo ago> I don’t notice going back to 60 Hz displays on computers. However, on phones, where a lot more animations are a key part of the user experience, I think 120 Hz displays are more interesting. I'm always so jealous of these people, 60hz is just so bad for me now and even make me a bit motion sick. I can see it in everything, moving the window, scrolling, the cursor.
- ksec 11mo agoThe curse of high standards. I wish I dont notice a lot of things. I wish I can stop thinking about why something that is clearly better hasn't been done. I would live a much happier life.
- msh 11mo agoI don’t think on this case it’s high standards, my eyes are just unable to really notice the difference.
- kccqzy 11mo agoIt's interesting how different people pick up different details. I can't really see the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz for example, but I'm unusually sensitive to bad kerning. The nano texture screen also screams smearing and low resolution to me.
- kcrwfrd_ 11mo agoCrazy. I switch between my work’s M4 MacBook Pro and my personal M3 MacBook Air all the time and I forget that the displays are even different.
- rigrassm 11mo agoI'm right there with you, 60hz feels like a flip book to me now.
- hu3 11mo agoSame. I currently have a 160hz and a 240hz monitor. And I can tell the difference between them when scrolling pages with tons of text. There's less ghosting in 240hz. And scrolling on 60hz to me looks blurry. I'd like to think that those who don't notice the difference have improved brain GPUs that can compensate for ghosting.
- ksec 11mo ago>My ideal MacBook would probably be a MacBook Air, but with the nano-texture display! :)" The MBA should also have the LCD display with 120Hz and brightness from MBP, Vapour Chamber cooling from iPhone Air, and better keyboard.
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- jsomedon 11mo agoIs it possible to install previous macOS version on newest macbook model? I see people having terrible experience with macOS Tahoe yet I am considering purchasing a macbook..
- inatreecrown2 11mo agono this is not possible because apple stops signing older versions soon after they release the latest.
- wtallis 11mo agoNo, that's a separate issue. You can upgrade a M4 or earlier machine from 15.6 to 15.7 even today, despite 26.0 being out for a while, so Apple's still signing a 15.x release at the same time as they're offering 26.x releases. (You likely won't be able to downgrade from 15.7 back to 15.6.) Downgrading a M5 machine to 15.x would be impossible not because of a signing issue but because Apple never released a 15.x build that supported M5 hardware.
- oscu0 11mo agoOn M5 MacBook Pro: no, simply because no builds with drivers for it exist On all others, including the M4 MacBook Air and the M4 Pro/Max MacBook Pro currently for sale: yes. At most you'll have to make a bootable USB if it's already got Tahoe installed, you can even install in place (but some things might break, of course)
- jillesvangurp 11mo agoI have the M4 Max. The fans never really come on unless I launch something that maxes out the GPUs, which I rarely do. I do have some software projects that use all CPUs and maxes those out while they build (all 14 of them). The fans stay silent. This is, by far, the fastest machine I've ever had. My previous laptop was a more modest M1 mac book pro. And before that I was on a cheapo intel i5 Samsung laptop - a stop gap solution after my last intel mac died when a loose keyboard key destroyed the screen (yep the generation with the crappy keyboards, worst mac I've ever owned). That intel was of course pathetic and shit. I wasn't expecting much and it disappointed me despite that. The M1 was about 3x faster. The M4 Max is a beast. In terms of build speeds, the i5 was unusable while building and would take 15 minutes. The M1 got it down to 5 minutes (10 CPU cores that are faster than the 4 intel ones). But it didn't have enough memory so swapping slowed it down a bit. The M4 max builds stuff in around 30 seconds. No more swapping and the 14 cores are quite a bit faster than the M1 ones. Same project (but of course with a few years of development). We have more tests now, not fewer. Otherwise it's a great laptop. Keyboard is fine. Touchpad is best in class in the industry (everything else is pathetically mediocre in comparison; it's not even close), the screen is best in class as well (contrast, colors, resolution, everything). And Apple learned it's lesson when it comes to keyboards. Most windows/linux laptops I'm aware off are a compromise between heating/cooling, lousy input and output devices, performance, design, screen quality, etc. Apple nails all of those things. Nobody else does. High end Macs are not cheap. But for professionals it's a minor expense. If you lease a car for getting your ass to work every morning, you are probably spending 2-3x more at least than what this would cost you. And the whole point of getting to work is to open your laptop and earn a living with it. It's more important than the damn car. It's what pays for that car. I spend less than what used to be 1 hour of my freelance rate per month on this absolute monster. Maybe it's 2 hours for you if you just got started. That's still nothing on 160ish billable hours per month. Employers tend to be less enlightened of course. But if it's your choice, don't be frugal and buy the laptop you need. If a simple browser is all you need, of course get something decent looking like a mac book air or whatever. But otherwise, get the best you can afford. I've compromised once with that Samsung. I did not enjoy that.
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- tobi_bsf 11mo agoI do not like the Apple Nano Texture. 5% of the time it really helps but 100% of the time it just reduces the picture fidelity somehow. When doing visual tasks like video editing, it is just not good.
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