12 ms·
Cybertruck's Many Recalls
- sitkack 2y agohttps://archive.is/SNGSo https://archive.is/SNGSo
- sitkack 2y agoThe article has about equal time about what Cybertruck owners dont care about, safety, reliability, etc. > Similar to other critics (earlier this year, a CNN reviewer called the pickup a “disturbing level of individual arrogance in hard, unforgiving steel”)—Drury believes Cybertruck buyers are people “who think ‘I don’t care if I kill people when I drive this thing down the street,’” he says. “There aren’t many of those people out there, so there’s a relatively small market for the Cybertruck.” The Josh Johnson on this one is gonna be good.
- nahwut 2y agoWhat's the term right wing folks use? Virtue Signaling? The cyber truck is that. People buy them because they are politically charged, and you can be seen as a tribe member. But I kinda think it's sad, because I think most tribes make fun of the cyber truck buyer, so they've bought a very expensive, very shoddy ticket into an in group, only to mark themselves as an outsider who bought their way in.
- flapadoodle 2y agoLike nearly all gigantic trucks driven in cities (and almost never off road), though the cybertruck is a new low in likelyhood to kill innocent pedestrians. The most accurate term for this phenomenon is either Emotional Support Vehicle or Gender Affirming Vehicle.
- the_clarence 2y agoI'm a leftist and would definitely buy a cyber truck if I could park it easily
- yyuugg 2y ago[flagged]
- throwaway984393 2y ago[dead]
- llamaimperative 2y ago[flagged]
- mst 2y agoThere *are* a bunch of people who've bought them because they genuinely think they look cool. I ... do not agree with that opinion ... but people are allowed to have different taste than I do, even if I think theirs is terribad.
- qwerpy 2y agoCT owner here. Maybe I’m just more boring than the usual person who gets this truck, but my reasoning for getting one was a lot more simple than this. “My Teslas have been great, this one looks cool, my family can benefit from having a truck, I’ll put down a deposit!” Not sure which group I was supposed to be buying a ticket into. Around where I live the group seems to be Asian men with families, but I was already a member of that group before the truck :)
- yyuugg 2y ago[flagged]
- wtcactus 2y agoThe article is a smear piece. As it was expected coming from Wired.
- ehnto 2y agoThe numbers do somewhat speak for themselves. It is an unpopular car.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoI hate the idea that just being a hater is a bad thing and horrible and you're smearing the good, honest, hardworking Tesleratti. Sorry, these are expensive, multiple-ton machines being sold at incredible profit, and we all deserve to get to take pot shots at it. We collectively pay for the privilege
- mst 2y ago5/6 recalls so far have been for physical problems, not software ones. It's not a particularly positive article but (unusually for articles about Tesla, admittedly) calling it a smear piece is counterfactual.
- LeoPanthera 2y agoThe article notes that the most recent recall was a physical one, not a software update, and implies that that was unusual. I wonder if you exclude "recalls" resolved by software updates, for all cars, where it would rank then?
- gibolt 2y agoVery few others have recalls that can be done OTA. Even if it is just software, expect an hour to days at a service center to do the update, if the techs can figure it out. For Tesla, the software recalls are nearly automatic (one click install, just like other update), such that few owners even know that their car ever had a recall.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoThis is kind of true. Say what you want about Tesla, but they have the best software experience out of the other car manufacturers. I love my BMW i4, but had to take into the shop just to fix a botched softwares update. Well, at least the cabin is silent.
- k4rli 2y agoI'd say my 2006MY car has the best software experience. The less, the better.
- davedx 2y agoMy Model 3 has had: - charge port needing replaced shortly after I bought: mobile service - front and rear suspension forks replaced: 2 trips to service center (common according to them) - rear light needed replacing (mobile service) 4 years old. Still not as bad as our last car (diesel VW Sharan), but Teslas have plenty of defects that can’t be fixed OTA.
- darkwater 2y agoSure, but "recall" in the automotive market has a very precise meaning, and refers to safety issues (at production line level, so impacting many VINs)that needs to be fixed. In Tesla's case, unlike most of other vendors, generally these recalls can be fixed with an OTA update. The CT OTOH had many "classical" physical recalls due to hardware issues.
- jmward01 2y agoCompletely unrelated to safety, these vehicles don't look like they are aging well. They are all completely new but the ones I am seeing on the road already look a bit beat up. That finish on them and their general styling emphasize every minor blemish.
- lukah 2y agoCar panels are convex on nearly all other cars for very good reason. Flat panels are structurally susceptible to damages which wouldn’t mark a standard panel. Adding a highly reflective surface was another great move.
- jmward01 2y agoI wonder what tests car companies generally do to predict how durable a style choice is (how scratches, corrosion, etc will impact the look). Protecting your brand is also about what people will see in the future, not just what is on the showroom now. If 5 years from now all of these vehicles look terrible that won't help sales for any of their models.
- jaggederest 2y agoI know in the past they've looked at data from used cars, and they also have HALT/HASS (highly accelerated life/stress) testing which does things like e.g. spray the car with concentrated salt solution in a wind tunnel, things like that. I believe many manufacturers also look at data from people like Munro & Associates who tear down cars, figure out what they're made from, and how they were made.
- btbuildem 2y agoYou ever notice how all cars look like all the other cars? There's rarely an exception, they mostly just copy each other. They seem to stick to a design, then someone makes an enormously brave move of slightly changing some small thing, and next year they all copy it.
- anon373839 2y ago
- YZF 2y agoI saw my first Cybertruck the other day. It looked less weird in person than I expected it. It's a very different and new design. How many of the 91% we're comparing to are completely new designs. What's the correct benchmark? Let's rewrite the headline. "A radical new EV design from Tesla, the Cybertruck, is already ahead of 9% of all 2024 vehicles in quality as it just ramps up production". I'll likely never own this - not my style. But I can appreciate doing things differently and being successful at that. Getting those gas guzzling truck owners to go electric would be nice too.
- te_chris 2y agoRadically new and stupid and should be illegal design. It’s a death machine for pedestrians.
- YZF 2y agoAren't all trucks? Wouldn't the sensor suite and auto-braking make it maybe somewhat safer? Is this something that gets tested for by car manufacturers?
- gibolt 2y agoAlso, the hood + "grill" is significantly lower. A pedestrian would bounce (although uncomfortably) instead of hit by a wall and run over like most other trucks / SUVs.
- Gigachad 2y agoAs long as you aren’t sliced in half by the sharp corners.
- Tepix 2y agoIn Europe for one that are regulations that make sure that cars are as safe for pedestrians as possible.
- elmerfud 2y ago
- pbreit 2y agoAre these "recalls" just simple over the air software updates? Just because car people are not used to this doesn't make it necessarily bad. Obviously no bugs are better than some bugs. But people here tend to know how software development works.
- Arcuru 2y agoFrom the first paragraph of TFA: > The latest recall—the wedge wagon’s sixth this year—requires shop time, not an over-the-air (OTA) update.
- WithinReason 2y agoThis implies some of the recalls were just OTAs
- liontwist 2y agoThat doesn’t answer which one they are considering to determine this ranking,
- gibolt 2y agoThat's the point... It is the only one and affects less than 3000 vehicles. A prior physical recall affected a few hundred. For most automakers, a recall involves hundreds of thousands to millions and is almost never an OTA software update.
- nahwut 2y ago[dead]
- BeefWellington 2y agoIt is not the only one. While it's true this affects roughly 1/5 to 1/3 of all Cybertrucks sold so far this year (depending on which random sales numbers online you believe), some of the others have affected every Cybertruck sold, such as the wiper motor burning out or the pieces of bed trim falling off while driving. I cannot find any evidence that previous physical recalls this year only affected a few hundred units. Two are 2000+ units and the others seem to be however many had sold by the date of the recall (10k+ in both instances).
- shiroiushi 2y agoIf this piece of crap is worse than only 91% of all 2024 vehicles, I really wonder what the other 9%, vehicles that are allegedly even worse, are. The article doesn't name them.
- morkalork 2y agoVinfast, just a guess
- liontwist 2y agoI imagine they know V1 is for the die hard early adopters. V2 will be the mass market push.
- renewiltord 2y agoDude, the thing with these things is that the breathlessness has already exhausted belief. Supposedly Tesla Y was a terrible thing, supposedly everyone was going to die in the heat under the Tesla tent, supposedly Twitter would die in 3 days without their staff. Nothing happened. Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. So I’m going to file this under “internet hates guy; tries to make it sound like he makes bad things” which people do a lot with Musk stuff. None of the Tesla cars are one I’ll buy (need 3 rows comfortably - might even buy the new VW electric van) but I’m getting the feeling from the online techies like I did at the AirPod release and the iPad release: my instinct is that this is great stuff; then my friends who buy it love it; then everyone online hates it; then it sells billions of dollars worth.
- andrepd 2y ago>Everyone I know who owns a Tesla loves it. Small consolation for the pedestrian who gets run over. Massive cars and distracting screens are two of the main reasons traffic deaths are on the rise, and they're both two selling points people like about Teslas.
- valval 2y ago[flagged]
- elmerfud 2y agoI wouldn't say that everyone who owns a Tesla loves it. As a matter of fact everyone I know who has bought a Tesla and loves it came from a car that was a lower quality and lower priced car than the Tesla that they bought. The people that I know that came from equally priced or higher priced cars are satisfied with their Tesla but they do not love it. I think that is a lot of the bias with Tesla owners many of them have never owned a car in that price range before and they bought it because of the hype surrounding the Tesla. Prior to that they would have never thought of buying a car in that price range. Often times when you buy a car in that price range you're getting a better quality car because it's from a manufacturer who's been around longer.
- nahwut 2y ago
- darksaints 2y agoHow long til the us army announces its new contract with Tesla to outfit the whole service with cybertrucks?
- jb1991 2y agoThat's easy to find out with a formula: = (Date("Jan-20-2025")-Now()).convertToWholeDays;
- mseepgood 2y agoDon‘t give him ideas
- k4rli 2y agoAt least then, us Europeans won't care anymore if they pull out of NATO.
- alkonaut 2y agoSurely all the peanut farms are sold before people take official government positions?
- ryzvonusef 2y agoman, the internet is being so weird about this truck it's absurd. Like its shape is weird and 'dangerous', but the F150, RAM truck etc etc are MORE dangerous shape wise, but because it has a 'conventional' shape and the change happened gradually, some how it's ok? The strangest was the carrot test, they kept doing this test the Cyber truck frunk... but guess what, same happens if you put carrots across the opening of other EV truck with auto close... I saw a video of it same happening with an F150 EV...what even was the point of this whole hullabaloo I am not American, I don't even have a car, I just hate that this nonsense is polluting my internet feeds. It's a big car with a long truck, congrats, it's not the anti christ, shut up about it.
- refulgentis 2y agoI have a fatal attraction to a good overwrought get off my lawn, but I can't get over that there's a jump in paragraph 2 I can't follow. What do you mean by shape? Generally, safety is proportional to the relative weight of your car in the collision. The F150, generously, is 2/3 the weight. (median F150 vs. lowest cybertruck) Generally, when people discuss car safety in the context of SUVs, they're discussing this weight. Rest of the stuff seems irrelevant or strawmen I've never seen (truck is antichrist!?; you're in Europe)
- henry2023 2y agoI think the parent comment classifies the F150 as dangerous not to the driver but to everyone around it.
- ryzvonusef 2y agoexactly, Pedestrian safety of all american trucks is terrible, yet we don't hear about the big speeding wall that are the 'conventional' american truck... but apparently the cyber truck is a pedestrian predator they 'suddenly' discovered. Either do something about the terrible truck design... or shut up and tolerate the cyber truck like you tolerate the F150 EV or whatever. Fluff like this just pollutes the EV news space without providing any new info.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoDoes anyone know what the deal is with Cybertrucks coming in different colors all of a sudden? I thought they were only sold as bare steel? But now I see matte black cybertrucks regularly.
- joering2 2y agoHad same question so parked next to a black one. It was wrap. Since then I seen green, pink and blue cybertrucks; all wraps with companies advertising. All of sudden majority I see are small business owners wrap-advertising. Rarely see the steel one. This is for Miami FL.
- jpk 2y agoYou're seeing vinyl wraps, most likely.
- m463 2y agoTesla now offers wraps.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoAre those from Tesla itself or a third party? Can you get any color?
- seaal 2y ago[flagged]
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago> Are you scared of Google? Where do you see options for wraps on the Cybertruck ordering page? https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design I don’t see anything on the Cybertruck accessory page either: https://shop.tesla.com/category/vehicle-accessories/cybertruck https://shop.tesla.com/category/vehicle-accessories/cybertru...
- dweinus 2y ago[flagged]
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- reddotchaser 2y agoSeriously I love it whenever there’s an Elon article. Most interesting comment sections
- martindbp 2y agoIn other news, my phone has a recall every month
- idop 2y agoHas your phone tried to kill you yet?
- BLKNSLVR 2y agoBy a thousand cuts.
- NotYourLawyer 2y agoNo, I don’t have a Samsung.
- consumerx 2y ago[dead]
- Chazprime 2y ago…And it’s horribly ugly to boot.
- aucisson_masque 2y ago[flagged]
- a-french-anon 2y agoAh, another frog with the same system! Same when I see Korean SUVs, personally. To be honest, I at least respect the Cybertruck for trying to look truly different in a sea of homogeneous bland, but I would never buy one.
- GordonS 2y agoAFAIK these monstrosities are not road-legal in Europe, so you're unlikely to see them.
- masklinn 2y agoSadly there are already multiple. I think there’s one in Poland because their standards are low and negotiable, iirc there was one in or near Austria as well? Saying that I’m not up to snuff with type approval is an understatement but I think for imports there‘a probably ways to play silly buggers with temp plates if you have the money. But if you’re the sort of persons who decides to import a cybertruck to the eu I don’t think that’s going to stop you. Hell, I think you can drive for up to a year on non-eu plates before the car has to be locally registered as an import.
- p_l 2y agoIn Poland, cybertruck as currently sold is at the very edge of acceptable mass for B-class driver license (aka the "normal" car driver license, not truck one). However that comes with addendum that you need to have that license for at least two years before driving one, because its based on the exception that allows maximum mass to go from 3500 kg to 4250 kg if the car has alternative fuel drive system, an exception added among other things for electric cars which can add 500kg in just batteries over internal combustion ones.
- masklinn 2y ago
- comboy 2y agoWhy there is always so much fuss about labels? Across so many different domains. Cars needed OTA update to be driven safely. Why is it important whether we call it a recall or not? I am not trying to make a point here. Clearly some people care about that. I'm legitimately curious why.
- idop 2y ago> Clearly some people care about that. I'm legitimately curious why. Because it hurts the feelings of Tesla owners who not only own at least one Tesla vehicle, they also own at least one $TSLA share and they think it's some conspiracy to destroy their share value.
- llamaimperative 2y ago[flagged]
- Pingk 2y agoI'm not worried about the label, but I am worried about the implication - since software made the jump from physical to digital/OTA distribution, there's been a decline in software release quality because "we'll patch it later". The historical financial punishments to writing buggy software are gone, and now it's infecting cars I'm concerned that safety standards will begin to slip and potentially injure someone. Side note: I know a common response to buggy software is the market won't pay because it takes longer to develop etc. But writing robust software is a hard skill,and it you haven't seen an industry write robust software for a long time, why should you trust they still can?
- tunapizza 2y agoNo-paywall version https://archive.ph/SNGSo https://archive.ph/SNGSo
- Aardwolf 2y agoI wonder which car is the 99% one
- at_a_remove 2y agoI recently saw one painted primer black and immediately felt like going home so I could watch Johnny Mnemonic. It appears to be a triumph of aesthetic over function, needing only EL-wire underlighting to look like it escaped from the Tron storyboards and into low-poly life. I could only wonder if the entertainment system comes with a hidden Sirius/XM channel that only plays vaporwave music.
- BLKNSLVR 2y agoMan. Johnny Mnemonic. I get the urge to rewatch that movie once every three of for years, and I'm reminded of it's awful greatness. Like Hackers. Need more William Gibson movies. I'm incredibly disappointed that The Peripheral was cancelled.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoThat honestly sounds amazing. If I win the lottery, my first purchase will be a flat black CT with EL-wire to bump the Tron soundtrack.
- qwerpy 2y agoI set the ambient light in mine to neon purple and play a synthwave playlist. Definitely a fun mood to drive with on dark city streets.
- austin-cheney 2y agoWhy are people spending so much money for something so hideous and so defective? Is this a weird fashion thing? My old 2017 Kia Soul costs about 5x less and has had 0 defects.
- tremarley 2y agoTo you it may be hideous but to many, it’s one of the most attractive cars on the road
- austin-cheney 2y agoEven if it were the most beautiful thing ever built would you still spend 5x more for something that doesn’t work?
- ponector 2y agoDoesn't work? You definitely can drive it. Why people buying it? To show off. Why people are buying Mercedes G-wagon? Or several expensive watches?
- piyuv 2y agoDepends on a definition of “many”. Trump is regarded as a great leader by “many”. I guess the sets have a big intersection?
- s1artibartfast 2y agoYou might even say a majority.
- nobody9999 2y ago>You might even say a majority. One might, but that would be incorrect. Trump received ~77,000,000 votes[0], which was 49.9% of the votes cast. As such, plurality is the appropriate term in this case. What's more, there were ~240,000,000 eligible voters and ~161,000,000 registered voters at the time of the 2024 election.[1] So the winner received less than a majority of votes cast by a small margin, and less so among registered voters (~48%) and even less so among eligible voters (32%). [0] https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqnemxwvx/president/ https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqne... [1] https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/election-explained-how-many-eligible-34044223 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/election-explained-ho...
- bryanlarsen 2y agoWould you expect anything different from a brand new product? It's like version 1.0 of any software. Wait until at least 1.1 and let someone else shake it down. It reminds me of the Chevy Bolt. Fabulous car, after all the recalls.
- ikari_pl 2y agoit's not their first car
- BLKNSLVR 2y agoIs that directed at Chevy or Tesla? Either way, it's true for both.
- bryanlarsen 2y agoSo? The bZ4x wasn't Toyota's first car, nobody has a better reputation than Toyota and yet they screwed that up.
- bamboozled 2y agoYeah, we're talking about a car here, not a new release of iOS.
- jmartin2683 2y agoCybertruck may be the best example of over-promising and under-delivering of all time.
- bamboozled 2y agoIt truly reminds me of "The Homer" https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer
- fredtalty5 2y ago[dead]
- daft_pink 2y agoRecalls don’t seem to be a reliable way to tell much of anything since there is no severity score on them.
- venusenvy47 2y agoThey are defined as creating a safety risk. I believe the severity usually comes in the title of each specific recall, such as "urgent", etc. https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls Or with the "do not drive" or "park outside" labels. https://www.carfax.com/blog/urgent-recalls https://www.carfax.com/blog/urgent-recalls
- Whatarethese 2y agoI dont think the CT will ever sell large amounts like their other models. Especially with the $7500 tax credit going bye bye.
- colinng 2y agoI think the tone of the article was really strong and, to me, it seemed biased because they repeated multiple times that “the buyers only care about looks.” A more in-depth article might point to the CyberLandr, and until I went 4x4 camping, camped out of a truck, I didn’t realize how awesome a CyberLandr might be, or how nice it is that “Mother Nature’s pin striping” is a solved problem for a stainless steel skin. Or how nice it would be to do all that without all the engine noise (I get accused of “not being a car person” simply because I like peace and quiet - but EVs are cars so why can’t we love those too?). I think the article intentionally mischaracterizes the reasons for wanting a CyberTruck, and prescribes that “you must be a shallow person who doesn’t care about practicality or reliability.” Well thank you for telling me who I am! Oh and why would anyone slander Tesla? It’s not like they are a publicly traded company where slander and praise affect the share or option prices. Surely they couldn’t have ulterior motives.
- snug 2y ago> And on this metric, the Cybertruck might be wanting. “Cars with ongoing recalls well after launch suggest a much higher lifetime recall total,” says Brauer. He calculates that the Cybertruck’s six recalls to date are “worse than 91 percent” of other 2024 vehicles. What are the other 9% of vehicles that are worse? Yeeshhh
- snug 2y agoOkay had to find out what it was [2024,"THOMAS BUILT BUSES","SAF-T-LINER C2",11] [2024,"MAZDA","CX-90-PHEV",10] [2024,"MAZDA","CX-90-MHEV",10] [2024,"INTERNATIONAL","MV",9] [2024,"JEEP","WRANGLER 2-DOOR",8] [2024,"JEEP","WRANGLER 4-DOOR",8] [2024,"JEEP","WRANGLER 4-DOOR 392",8] [2024,"JEEP","GRAND CHEROKEE L",8] [2024,"JEEP","GRAND CHEROKEE",8] [2024,"JEEP","GRAND CHEROKEE",8] [2024,"FOREST RIVER","WILDWOOD",8] [2024,"VOLVO","VHD",8] [2024,"MACK","GRANITE (GR)",8] [2024,"FORD","MAVERICK",8] [2024,"FORD","MAVERICK",8] [2024,"FOREST RIVER","SALEM",8] [2024,"BMW","X5",7] [2024,"BMW","X5",7] [2024,"SPARTAN FIRE","METROSTAR",7] [2024,"VOLVO","VNR",7] [2024,"VOLVO","VNL",7] [2024,"FORD","MUSTANG",7] [2024,"FORD","MUSTANG",7] [2024,"THOMAS BUILT BUSES","SAF-T-LINER C2 JOULEY",7] [2024,"KENWORTH","T380",7] [2024,"PETERBILT","537",7] [2024,"PETERBILT","548",7] [2024,"KENWORTH","T280",7] [2024,"KENWORTH","T480",7] [2024,"PETERBILT","536",7] [2024,"PREVOST","H3-45",7] [2024,"VOLVO","VN",6] [2024,"TESLA","CYBERTRUCK",6] API will only give you 50 at a time https://api.nhtsa.gov/vehicles/bySearch?offset=0&max=50&sort=recallsCount&order=desc&data=none&dateEnd=&dateStart=&name=&productDetail=all&query=2024 https://api.nhtsa.gov/vehicles/bySearch?offset=0&max=50&sort...