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As someone living in WI who got barraged with ads from both sides, that wasn't the messaging anyone saw AFAICT. The biggest issue on people's minds was the econ
by ryukoposting 2y ago
As someone living in WI who got barraged with ads from both sides, that wasn't the messaging anyone saw AFAICT. The biggest issue on people's minds was the economy. Dem messaging on economic policy was nonexistent. Women's healthcare isn't an issue that resonates with young (read: unmarried) men. It should, but it doesn't. There could have been some "look out for your wife" messaging, but there wasn't.
There's a lot of people in the comments parroting whatever narrative they cooked up for 2016, but the reality is that both candidates' approaches were wildly different this time around.
- unsupp0rted 2y agoOr even some "look out for your husband" messaging, but men only mattered to one side in this election to the degree that they were incidentally useful to women.
- pineaux 2y agoYeah. Most democrat leaning people here and outside are not reading the situation correctly. We are currently in the process of the creation of a new world order. Its happening everywhere. Right-wing, anti-immigrant, egomaniacs with little respect for democracy as we know it are taking power in all of the western influence sphere. It might be because this is the way countries like China/russia can undermine the hegemony of the west. It might be because of the way the internet works that takes away power from the systems that used to work. Or what we could conclude that the story the liberals/left are telling all over the world implicitly locks out most people that vote and is self destructive. Either way. Don't believe the pundits they are consistently wrong.
- numbsafari 2y agoAll the libertarian mumbojumbo about the internet and encryption prove to be wrong. The internet becomes a tool of mass surveillance and misinformation affording the oligarchic takeover and dissolution of democracy and broad based freedoms.
- sAbakumoff 2y agoThe result is a combination of all these factors and many others, including racism, misogyny, and a desire to return to a time when groceries were cheap. Next summer, the recession will come as a great surprise to those who expected to be better off under Trump
- cpursley 2y agoYou sound quite confident. Are you willing to place financial bets?
- sAbakumoff 2y agoMy financial decisions are none of your business buddy.
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- cpursley 2y agoYou're just upset that someone called you out on your own BS.
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- ssijak 2y agoOr maybe, just maybe, the Democrats (and other similar parties elsewhere) went too crazy and left and did not focus on real issues ordinary people face?
- galactus 2y agoWhat, in practice, was too crazy and left in the Biden administration? (Honestly asking)
- bagels 2y agoDefending trans people apparently was a bridge too far for many, for one.
- nobody9999 2y ago>Defending trans people apparently was a bridge too far for many, for one. Which is ridiculous. Trans folks are less than one percent of the population. Why shouldn't they be allowed to be who they are? Given the tiny number of these folks, it really shouldn't make any difference to anyone who's not trans anyway. But, apparently, some folks, who appear to believe that their trained-in prejudices are the laws of nature, feel the need to tell other people how they should live and, even more egregiously, try to force them to do so. That's not liberty. That's not individual rights. That's not religious freedom. Rather, it's busybodies trying to tell other people what to do.
- jimininy 2y agoThe problem isn't the people, it's the policy. e.g. https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-california-womens-prison-cdcr-confirms-pregnancy https://4w.pub/male-inmate-charged-with-raping-woman-inside-... The only reason this could happen is because of policy that prioritizes self-declared "gender identity" over sex, and over women's dignity and safety. That's the actual problem, not people just quietly living their lives.
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- coderenegade 2y agoThe anti-immigration thing is because the great experiment of mass migration has failed to work for the average person, and the political left have failed to show up with an answer, a policy, a plan -- anything, really. People are voting for candidates who are at least willing to pay lip service to the issue. I don't know how bad it is in the US, but in the rest of the West, it's been a disaster. Overcrowded cities, erosion of quality of life, strained services, competition for housing, suppression of wages, the complete abandonment of on-the-job training, falling tertiary education standards, minority enclaves with values that are fundamentally incompatible with the West... The list goes on.
- n4r9 2y agoAll the things you listed are a result of neoliberal austerity politics much more than they are a result of immigration.
- VagabundoP 2y agoHaving better safety nets definitely helps people look outward rather than in. Pensions, social security, healthcare; once you have a feeling that you'll be taken care of if things go bad you can think about your neighbours a little more.
- no_wizard 2y agoThis. The democrats shifted to the center instead of creating a campaign chasm on actual progressive issues that Americans would generally support like universal healthcare[0], student debt cancellation, housing subsidies, stronger pro labor policies (support for unions has grown across the aisle substantially) and generally fairer more equitable economic participation. That would have reached across the aisle and put Republicans on the defensive especially around messaging Instead, they went strong with wedge issues and tried to play culture wars. Which honestly I don’t disagree with the conclusions and policy positions democrats made here but it didn’t speak to economic fears or relief for the masses We did this to ourselves to a certain degree. All progressives have left now is molotovs in the streets [0]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-...
- vidarh 2y agoThat is going to be explosive because there isn't a developed economy anywhere that can avoid major crises without maintaining or increasing immigration levels over the coming decades as the effects of fertility rates really start to bite. In the UK we saw the Tories try to play the ball in two places at once: Enable lots of immigration while simultaneously pretending the country was under siege to appeal to the anti-immigrant crowd. It blew up in their faces in a spectacular way.
- ChocolateGod 2y ago> coming decades as the effects of fertility rates really start to bite. I mean one solution is to promote policies that encourage people to have more children, but we "can't afford it", expecting we'll be able to afford the incoming social care crisis.
- vidarh 2y agoDespite many countries trying, none has found a way that works.
- 15155 2y agoHow about door 3: only allow immigration for skilled individuals capable of adding outsized value to our economy?
- ben_w 2y agoAs a person who can be described that way: why would I want to migrate to any country whose leaders were elected on a platform of hating migrants? "Oh but not like you, you're one of the good ones!" - imagine yourself being described that way, and ask if that's a crowd you care to spend your time living with.
- anal_reactor 2y agoAs another skilled immigrant, this is exactly what I want.
- 15155 2y ago> We are currently in the process of the creation of a new world order ... with little respect for democracy Damn, we should have definitely installed an anointed candidate with zero primary votes .. to save democracy.
- carlosjobim 2y agoI'm concerned about this "group paranoia" phenomenon that I increasingly see among friends and family. Yes, just like in the past it was the Devil himself manipulating kings and people, now it is China and Russia that secretly hold sway over Western governments (when it's not the Jews).
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- sincerecook 2y agoBingo
- tekknik 2y agoI stopped reading at new world order. I guess we’ve gone full circle now as this used to be what the GOP said about dems.
- rightbyte 2y agoIt might also be that neoliberalism just is failed and dead. The wake up call should have been 15-20 years ago.
- mnky9800n 2y agoMore than that, I think there was a lot of democrat messaging that the economy is the greatest its ever been because of Biden. When I would say, it is because of Nvidia, haha. and what does that have to do with the price of milk or eggs for some random american?
- ryukoposting 2y agoThe fact that Tim Walz made it through a 90 minute debate without mentioning the CHIPS act a single goddamn time absolutely blows my mind. Dems could try to explain why Trump's economic policy made the US economically brittle, leaving Biden no choice but to pay the piper to avoid a depression. You're not going to woo voters with that kind of narrative, though, even if it's the truth.
- 15155 2y agoHe's a knucklehead, remember?
- strix_varius 2y agoSimilarly, when the friendly The View hosts asked Harris what she would do differently from Biden, I assumed her team would have drilled that obvious talking point into her with flashcards. My mind was blown when she said "There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of — and I’ve been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact."
- bombcar 2y agoYou don’t even have to start a fight - you can just have an answer about how certain policies take time to grow and you’ll continue to nurture them. An analogy about how it takes time to turn a cargo ship might be apt; how the main thing is steady at the help, and hold the rudder.
- light_hue_1 2y agoMy parents who are extreme Democrats called me after that interview to say there's no hope and Trump will win. Harris never understood the obvious fact that Biden's approval ratings were terrible not because he is old, but because people don't like his policies.
- 15155 2y ago> It should, but it doesn't. A flight or bus ticket to California or Colorado for a once-in-a-lifetime service costs multiple orders of magnitude less than the recurring cost of groceries and basic goods.
- kragen 2y agoIf you don't get arrested when you get off the return flight.
- ryukoposting 2y agoYour wife dying because your flight got delayed, and you being imprisoned for trying to save her, are also once in a lifetime events.
- 15155 2y agoHow many people die because they didn't obtain an abortion in the nick of time? Is this normally an urgent service (outside of legally time-limited states?) How many people struggle to afford buying groceries?
- creato 2y agoThere have been several cases that made the news in the last few weeks in the wake of new abortion bans, e.g. https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala/ https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-t...
- vundercind 2y agoI get a lot of political text messages from multiple red states (for some reason) and it was almost all culture war stuff from the right. But maybe the messaging was super-different in swing states.
- ryukoposting 2y agoThe culture war crap is low-hanging fruit for fly-by-night scam PACs who don't know what they're doing. Hence the incompetence displayed when you get ads for states and races you have nothing to do with. We didn't see much of it here in Milwaukee County. We got boatloads of mailers from WisGOP framing Trump as a moderate candidate, though.
- pyrale 2y ago> don't know what they're doing. Or do they? This strategy seems to work for them so far.
- protonbob 2y agoThat doesn’t even help for married men because they can use contraception with their wife.
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoBut they can't use contraception to stop their wife dying from a miscarraige of a wanted child in a state where the doctors fear being jailed for taking the necessary medical steps for saving the mother's life, if that looks too much like an abortion.
- zpeti 2y agoRemind me again - who in the history of the world has ever not been ok with abortion to save the mother?
- bhickey 2y agohttps://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-mis... https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar
- nindalf 2y agoI remember a notable Irish case where a mother died because the doctors refused to perform an abortion. Led to a constitutional change. Woman dies after abortion request 'refused' at Galway hospital (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741.amp). There have been cases like this in America but I’m not going to look it up. Fortunately the other commenter did. Hope this changed your opinion :)
- gabrielhidasy 2y agoA few very religious people, but I don't think any of those had traction to get that into law in the US recently.
- goles 2y agoCan't remember where I read this but essentially most Americans are single issue voters on the economy. They just pick their second most important issue when the economy is humming along nicely. The economy has been fine for many peoples working lives during ZIRP. But when people feel like their struggling to afford diapers and cereal most other issues become secondary.
- qeternity 2y agoZIRP was the cause of that pain.
- saynay 2y agoThis has been my thought as well. Inflation was high, so low-propensity voters against the current party show up while those for the current party don't. It will take some time to see what the actual voting shifts were, but the economy has always been an accurate predictor.
- mlcrypto 2y agoUnder the Biden/Harris administration even software engineers were hurting and couldn't find work. Unprecedented
- romwell 2y ago>Under the Biden/Harris administration even software engineers were hurting and couldn't find work. Unprecedented Sure. And why do you think that might be? In other words, do you think policy changes have instantaneous effect on issues like unemployment, or perhaps they take some time?
- screye 2y ago> Women's healthcare Further, the democrats have been in power for 12/16 years, and multiple years controlling all 3 houses. They did nothing to help with Women's healthcare. I have followed the issue closely, and I still don't understand what they Dems were going to do to keep abortion legal. If it's a state issue, how would the President change anything ? If it's national issue, why haven't they already done anything ?
- tzs 2y ago> I have followed the issue closely, and I still don't understand what they Dems were going to do to keep abortion legal. If it's a state issue, how would the President change anything ? If it's national issue, why haven't they already done anything ? They could pass a national law that protects a right to travel to other states for an abortion if your state bans them.
- nickelcitymario 2y agoSo why didn’t they?
- _ph_ 2y agoBecause they didn't have a majority in the last two years.
- DFHippie 2y agoDo you live in the US? The first half of the Biden administration was hamstrung by Manchin, Sinema, and the Republicans. The Democrats had nominal control of the presidency and legislature but faced implacable resistance from the Republicans and these two nominally Democratic senators. Until the recent Supreme Court decision the US hasn't had a king.
- lokar 2y agoAnd Manchin had no real chance of reelection anyway.
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- psychlops 2y agoI didn't understand the focus on abortion as an issue for people. It's a legislative problem after Roe was overturned and it's not clear to me what the presidency would do to change that other than asking the other branches to take a federal action.
- hibikir 2y agoIt's really all about control of the courts. They can, for all intents and purposes, throw laws away, inclusive sections of the constitution with little to no recourse without a level of control of the legislative branch that is extremely rare. Given that congress is so naturally weak, the most important part of it is the senate's role in federal judicial appointments.
- camdenreslink 2y agoIt was a winning ballot measure, and protection for it was passed in most states it ran (even states where Trump won). Didn’t translate to enough enthusiasm for voters though.
- lokar 2y agoIt’s currently unclear, but it’s likely congress could enact a nationwide ban.
- gspencley 2y ago> Women's healthcare isn't an issue that resonates with young (read: unmarried) men Disclaimer: I'm Canadian, not American, so my opinions don't matter. I'm married with two daughters who are in their early 20s. The abortion issue has come up in my household when discussing Trump v Kamala, but the thing that the Democrats didn't seem to get is that even though it's something that my wife & daughters care about in the abstract, it's not a PRESSING matter for them because they're not planning on needing an abortion ever, let alone any time soon. That doesn't mean that they aren't pro choice & don't want women's reproductive rights protected at the federal level, like it is here in Canada. But on the hierarchy of things that matter to them today, it is extremely far down on the list. What matters to them most right now is the economy and rising crime rates. The right wing also spun it as "why on earth do the Democrats think that every single woman is dying to murder her unborn baby?" And while us pro-choicers don't look at it that way, I think that kind of worked as a reminder that while it's an issue, it's just not the most important one affecting their day to day lives at the moment.
- _ph_ 2y agoThe problem is, even when there is never the plan of having an abortion, healthcare support for women suffers greatly from the abortion plans. Because it gets legally problematic for doctors to provide healthcare for women. Sooner or later you will have a patient with a medical emergency during a pregnancy. There are already enough incidents where critical ill women don't get medical treatment because they also are pregnant.
- cassepipe 2y agoWhile I agree with you I think you are missing the point made by parent which is seems to me that it's not a psychologically pressing issue. It still seems wild to me because I don't share that psychology but am probably biased because I live in a place with a social safety net and most criminals don't have access to guns here so crime is less scary to me : Muggings are rare probably because it's not very profitable and is more of desperate/drug-addict thing. Being a drug dealer seems much more profitable and I don't feel targeted as a person. Shootings remain rare
- bmitc 2y ago> Dem messaging on economic policy was nonexistent. In what way do you think the Republicans care about the economy? How should the Democrats communicate better that the Republicans tank the economy with every presidency only to be recovered by the Democrats who hand off a winning economy to the Republicans? To be completely honest, I don't think most Americans can even understand the argument.
- dukeyukey 2y ago> The biggest issue on people's minds was the economy. Which is kinda bizzare to me as a European - American salaries and economic output are growing the fastest of basically any developed economy, _especially_ in the poorer segements of society. By all accounts, post-COVID Dem policies have been incredibly succcessful. But that's not good enough?!
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y agoI believe I can answer this as I personally saw it as an issue ( with the disclaimer that I think neither candidate even suggested appropriate corrective actions ). Our household is above average for US and the state and yet I still have near constant drain on my cash reserves on a regular basis. In other words, my real purchasing power decreased DESPITE some increase in absolute salary numbers.
- astura 2y agoCost of living has outpaced wage growth in the last several years for most Americans.
- dukeyukey 2y agoI can't speak for what it feels like on-the-ground, but the numbers saying American real wages are growing fast, especially for poorer people.
- S_Bear 2y agoIf you're making $8 and hour and get bumped up to $12, that's a 50% bump but you still can't afford to live and need a second job. Based on the job postings in my part of the US, that's pretty much standard.
- cassepipe 2y agoCould this be that if you don't have a social safety net things are much more worrying economically ?
- class3shock 2y agoThe economy I think was the huge sticking point. You can't have everyone in your party saying "the economy is good, it's growing better than ever, look at all the jobs, etc." while literally no average person is seeing that. They are so out of touch that they think if finance/econ majors on tv say the economy is doing good than it's doing good. Compared to pre-pandemic - Housing prices have shot up incredibly - Loan interest rates are two or three times higher - Every day goods are higher - Car prices are higher - Insurance is higher - Utilities are higher And that would be fine, prices go up over time after all, but all of that is on the back of pay, that for most people, has not gone up anywhere close to enough to cover all of that, if it's gone up at all.
- y7 2y agoI guess, from a Western-European perspective, the problem is that with the choice of Democrats and Republicans you get the choice between right-wing and ultra right-wing. Having right-wing politics that funnel money from the poor to the rich, or the tenants to the landlords, is in the interest of the financial backers of both parties. Messaging-wise, the Democrats have always been "more honest" (low bar, it's hard to be more dishonest/convoluted than Trump anyway), so maybe that's why Trump seems to come out ahead there.
- arethuza 2y agoReminds me of the quote by Gore Vidal: "There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat."
- wwweston 2y agoI'm not sure I understand the criticism. This is bad? People like property rights. Progressives like them. Conservatives like them. Economies like them. Meanwhile there are substantial differences between the two wings, what services and programs they think government should provide, how problem solving should be approached.
- TheHypnotist 2y agoThe "abortion" issue is very poor marketing and I don't understand why this has never been corrected. It's not about unwanted children, it's more about the 1/5 chance a woman has of miscarrying and what happens after (along with the array of other pregnancy related issues).
- throwaway234423 2y agoThe issue is that the extremists on both sides get the microphone and muddle the debate as much as possible.
- bluGill 2y agoRight, you can't actually talk about any real compromise position. All anyone hears are the two extreme options. People who talk about miscarriage, mother's life in danger, and so on are trying to convince you that because those exist all abortion should be legal. Anyone who is against abortion sees right through that. If anyone was serious about the compromise position where those types of things are allowed but otherwise abortion was illegal they might be able to get many against abortion on their side - except that they won't because give an inch and they take a mile is reality and everyone "knows" if you compromise at all they will just be back against next year asking for more.
- mrguyorama 2y agoConservatives think that's just a lie. They openly reject the harms that are actively happening right now in Texas. How do you win an election when your opponent is apparently not bound by reality? Maybe Harris should have just promised puppies and rainbows and candy.
- bluGill 2y agoAn liberals are not honest about caring. They are arguing because of a few bad cases all abortion should be legal, instead of using this as a reasonable compromise. So long as those are the two choices a lot less humans die if all abortion is banned even if some mothers die as well. (Do not say a fetus isn't a human - that might work for you but it doesn't apply to anyone against abortion and you just look like an idiot for not recognizing what they see as an obvious fact and we get nowhere). If you want to support a compromise: most of what you need to do is shut up everyone who will only accept their extreme position.
- pc86 2y ago> There could have been some "look out for your wife" messaging, but there wasn't. No but there was plenty of "if you're married and vote for Trump you're a misogynist" or "no real man with daughters can vote for Trump" messaging which rightly fell flat. That Trump won the popular vote is astounding. That he's currently ahead in Michigan is insane, politically/electorally speaking. By 10pm last night the MSNBC crowd was already starting the "this was just about the economy," "no incumbent Dem could have won," "no challenging Rep could have lost" cope. The Democratic party has an opportunity here to put DEI, identity politics, and culture war nonsense in the garbage where it belongs, and everyone on the left who was talking about unity and bringing America together 24 hours ago has an opportunity now to show whether they meant it, or if they only meant it on their terms.
- Mountain_Skies 2y agoCalls for unity in politics always is a call for everyone to unify behind the speaker rather than for everyone to find common ground.
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- vacuity 2y agoPolitical unity is something of a pipe dream when you look at some of the represented political groups in the US. I won't call out specific groups, but people can likely imagine at least one group they really don't want to have any power. Maybe because of media fearmongering, maybe real, but there's probably some group you perceive terribly. I don't think an electorate is supposed to represent all groups, no matter how extreme. There's no room for justice or equality or whatever if we give power to people actively targeting democracy or other people. It's dishonest to act as if there's some reasonable compromise in this scenario.
- pc86 2y agoI can't wait until people stop saying the guy who won a majority of the popular vote is a threat to democracy.
- dcow 2y agoI think it was even more simple: Democrats put a senile man up for office.
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- RicoElectrico 2y agoFor politicians, economy is the GDP and stock market. For the common folk, economy is their purchasing power. That's where there's the disconnect.
- Ekaros 2y agoAnd for financial media it is the stock market. Which can be separate from the purchasing power.
- RicoElectrico 2y agoNB: I added stock market and didn't see your reply.
- Workaccount2 2y agoWhats bizarre though is that consumer spending has been strong. There is this bizarre mixed signals problem where all the metrics look strong, and yet all the people are complaining. My personal belief is that the crazy economics of the pandemic was kick in the head to most people's perceptions of finances. Things got really good for a lot of middle and lower class people, and now there is pain in the return to normal. And housing.
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- dcow 2y agoRe: “look out for your wife”: I’m going to say the unpopular but perhaps true thing… there are limits even to the amount of reproductive freedom society can grant women while being able to sustain a replacement rate that keeps it alive, and even women know it. I have been having a small but increasing number of conversations where people are absolutely questioning whether we’ve over-indexed on trying to sell women this “be just like the salary men no consequences” narrative—with women who were all about reproductive freedom in their 20s and all of a sudden they are 35, have a great job, but can’t easily have kids anymore, feel unfulfilled and feel like they were lied to. It’s real even if it’s not how you specifically feel. I don’t have the answer but I think the almost anti-child democrat narrative, which Kamala dialed to 11, really really misses the beauty and wonder of childbirth and frankly the core need society has to actively and healthily sustain itself (which simply cannot be done via import). We don’t all work and make money just to die, do we? Humans are programmed to build legacy. I say this because I fundamentally believe that Democrats need an answer for this if they want to remain relevant. You can’t milk reproductive freedom for eternity. Americans want the focus to shift back to a more nuanced and biologically adapted conversation around sustainable social narrative. That or we need mechanical wombs.
- adolph 2y ago> Women's healthcare isn't an issue that resonates with young (read: unmarried) men. This seems to be an oblique reference to something specific about that healthcare. If someone doesn't articulate a proposed specific amount of time or objective physiological thresholds for a procedure, they aren't serious. I saw no evidence for this from either campaign, so I guess they agreed the issue was not at play.
- mint2 2y agoBeing from California, I couldn’t see what the ads were like and I’m extremely curious about something. Were there a bunch of ads explaining why tariffs are going to cause pain and raise prices? And would be likely to spike inflation again? I’m guessing no due to the election result but please confirm.
- lokar 2y agoYou can’t explain things like that to most voters, it just won’t work.
- ryukoposting 2y ago> Were there a bunch of ads explaining why tariffs are going to cause pain and raise prices? And would be likely to spike inflation again? Yes. They billed it as the "Trump tax."
- 8338550bff96 2y agoWomen actually deserve a constitutional amendment to protect their rights, not a court ruling of the most dubious jurisprudence. Because of Roe V. Wade the political will create a new actually applicable amendment was never pursued - a bandaide that eventually fell off. Part of the problem is that most people lack the cognitive capacity to understand the legal argumentation of Roe V. Wade and how shaky it was and so they out of incompetence set themselves up as women's rights constitutional amendment obstructionists
- easterncalculus 2y ago> There could have been some "look out for your wife" messaging, but there wasn't. Instead, they ran ads implying that husbands were trying to force their wives to vote trump, a narrative that comforts their own biases but does nothing for the people they needed to convince.
- SirMaster 2y agoYeah, why would people ever support a party that seeks to vilify them?
- itsoktocry 2y ago>Women's healthcare isn't an issue that resonates with young (read: unmarried) men. It should, but it doesn't. There could have been some "look out for your wife" messaging, but there wasn't. Because sensible people don't think that Trump presidency means "no healthcare for Women".
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- sbdhzjd 2y agoI think Trump won college educated white women. In fact, I think he did better in every demographic? Most of them for sure. So to blame this on "unmarried white men" is counter productive.
- ttyprintk 2y agoI’ve only seen exit poll demographics for key states. Republicans won college white men but only at 50%. He performed better among married white men (28% of sample) than non-married white men (20% of sample). Looks like his biggest gender gap is among suburban whites. Looks like his most-supportive crosstab is evangelicals, happy with the Supreme Court, whose primary issue is banning abortion.
- blasphemers 2y agoI recall seeing polling that actually showed unmarried white men is actually the demographic that supports abortion the most.
- sbdhzjd 2y agohardly surprising