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System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

256 points by MasterYoda 4y ago

bonif 4y ago
Display 14.1″ 1920×1080 FHD, Matte Finish Year 2022
- muyuu 4y ago
  HP Dev One, same thing maybe they expect those dev compys to be used with external screens, and maybe they also need the Linux computer price points to be lower
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jef_leppard 4y ago
I own a System 76 laptop (the Oryx) and ultimately bought a MacBook Air m1 to replace it. I'm not sure how many people know this, but S76 doesn't make their own hardware and instead uses repackaged Clevo laptops. These machines are cheap, ugly, and heavy. Nothing about them feels particularly high quality. They charge a premium price so I'd expected more and was disappointed. Knowing what I know now, I would have gotten a Framework laptop for a first class linux experience. All that said, PopOS is my distro of choice. They really got a lot right there IMO. If they can get it together on the hardware front, might be worth another look in the future.
alexeiz 4y ago
If you spec Lemur Pro like HP Dev One, it's $300 more expensive.
IYasha 4y ago
No AMD. No Gb ethernet. No VGA. Built-in battery. Garbage.
MasterYoda 4y ago
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/alder-lake-powered-linux-laptop-arrives-14-hours-of-battery-life https://www.tomshardware.com/news/alder-lake-powered-linux-l...
- acomjean 4y ago
  I was wondering how that got that battery life. I have an old system 76 (8th gen intel and nvidia) and while it’s quite speedy and can game, battery life isn’t great. The article hints at Linux now using intels new low power cores. Though I’m not sure exactly how. “Like Windows, Linux had to have some serious tinkering under the hood to prepare for the mix of Performance and Efficiency cores in Alder Lake chips. However, rest assured, efficient hybrid scheduling is taken care of with the two OS options that can be pre-installed on the Lemur Pro.”
  - CoastalCoder 4y ago
    I recently discovered powertop. It makes a huge difference for my Lenovo Legion.
  - lhl 4y ago
    There are lots of little tweaks that can make a huge difference in battery life. Since there's a lot more that was posted on the Framework community I use that as an example (but it can apply to any laptop model). OOTB, reports for idling was anywhere from 7-11W. With the Framework's 55Wh battery, that would mean that it would run down in 5-8h at complete idle (oof): https://community.frame.work/t/issues-with-power-usage/12261 https://community.frame.work/t/issues-with-power-usage/12261 https://community.frame.work/t/nixos-power-consumption/6339 https://community.frame.work/t/nixos-power-consumption/6339 However, with some tuning, that can get down to as low as 2.5-3W: https://community.frame.work/t/linux-battery-life-tuning/6665 https://community.frame.work/t/linux-battery-life-tuning/666... https://community.frame.work/t/battery-life-impact-of-ram-memory-configuration-extra-data/6426 https://community.frame.work/t/battery-life-impact-of-ram-me... To summarize on the configuration options, the biggest gains are probably from powertop/tlp tunings, PSR, settings to get to C9/C10 on idle (PSR is a prereq for this), replacing PulseAudio w/ Pipewire, modifying the EPP values, and fstab options (noatime, relatime). Of course, some of System76's gains could be spending some extra effort on their EC/BIOS tunings, or on the hardware itself (lots of ways to mess up or to get gains from the motherboard layout/components). It's also worth noting that some SSDs like the Hynix P31 consume much less power than others, so hardware selection can play a part as well.
Darmody 4y ago
8, 16, 24 or 40 GB of RAM. What is that?
- theodric 4y ago
  My wild guess: 8GB soldered on the board plus a single DIMM slot for expansion with 8, 16, 32GB modules
  - pierrefermat1 4y ago
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  - pierrefermat1 4y ago
    Yes definitely this, they are just distributing OEM laptops and can't alter the design decisions at the initial phase. So you end up with loss of some dual channel RAM benefits
  - trelane 4y ago
    Yep. If you click on "[Design + Buy]" you can see the higher amounts are "8GB + 32GB"
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unrealhoang 4y ago
Non-hiDPI display in 2022 is a non-starter. There’s simply not enough pixels to display text correctly with full hd.
- prmoustache 4y ago
  Only if you are used to hiDPI in the first place.
  - tssva 4y ago
    I have had laptops with hiDPI monitors in the past and currently have a laptop with a FHD screen. After having used both I consider a hiDPI monitor a waste of money and battery life for a 14" laptop.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  I vaguely think my cheap college laptop display around 2006 was 1080 lines tall. How can it possibly be that some manufacturers haven't moved on since then?
  - sshine 4y ago
    Some people don't care as much about DPI. I personally got the third-cheapest 49" ultrawide. People's eyesights vary. I need big letters anyways.
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    - sph 4y ago
      The point of HiDPI is not having really small text, is doubling the scaling so text looks smooth instead of a pixelated, blocky mess. I thought it was a gimmick in 2015 before I got my first MBP, these days I can't go back and have my eyes bleed on 96 dpi. You don't even need full Retina, my 27" 4K screen looks gorgeous at double scaling. >150 dpi monitors are the second best tech upgrade of this millennium after the SSD. Yet, there's still people these days that will try to convince you their 5400 rpm disk is fast enough, just because they have never experienced modern hardware.
haspok 4y ago
"...with 14 hours of battery life" - yes, maybe, but did you see it comes with a large battery (73Wh instead of the usual ~55Wh)? Thinkpad X1s can do ~10-12 hours on the smaller battery. So this is nothing to brag about really. 12th Gen Intel is still way behind the M1, unfortunately. I also don't get the FHD (16:9) screen, it seems like the Clevo shell has not been updated from past years... :(
2Gkashmiri 4y ago
good to see linux being sold in laptop out of the box. this means, hopefully that bugs that the linux community was used to, because everyone knew it and didn't bother fixing are getting fixed because linus managed to break Pop os in the first command. stuff like what kde is doing with their "15-Minute Bugs" are great initiatives. this will definitely help the overall linux software become more rugged and idiot friendly
- sshine 4y ago
  > good to see linux being sold in laptop out of the box. I remember knowing that if I got an IBM ThinkPad, it probably had good Linux driver support. I still make the assumption that Lenovo ThinkPads have better Linux driver support because hackers prefer them. But I honestly have no idea if that's true any more.
  - tux2bsd 4y ago
    Various, generally older, ThinkPads are popular in the *BSD communities too.
  - TingPing 4y ago
    Better than average but the majority of laptops use the same hardware and drivers. A bad wifi chip here or an odd fingerprint reader there are the majority of issues.
  - alpaca128 4y ago
    Mine needs an unofficial wifi driver or the connection will just die every 20 minutes, and the NVidia Optimus hardware is a nightmare. I like the laptop overall but I'll never touch NVidia stuff again. Drivers are among the things I just don't want to deal with.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  It is good to see it but a bit ridiculous to see companies marking up the pricing just to install an OS which is pretty simple to do with almost any hardware.
tssva 4y ago
I'm not a fan of having my laptop maker's logo plastered on the exterior of my laptop but it is unavoidable these days. The System76 logo on this laptop is an especially egregious example of this. It alone would prevent me from considering purchasing one. I'll be looking elsewhere next year when I am due to upgrade which is unfortunate because I am a fan of Pop!_OS and would otherwise have considered System76. Edit: A comment says the logo on the System76 laptop is an easy to remove sticker so this might be a non-issue.
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  Put a black sticker over it and call it a day?
  - mongol 4y ago
    I question the judgement of the designers when I see such a large logo. Makes me hesitant about the overall quality. It looks cheap.
    - jraph 4y ago
      I consider it is a matter of taste. The large logo could also be a requirement from the marketing department. In this view, it should therefore not be a hint about the overall quality.
- rst 4y ago
  There are a bunch of sellers of laptop skins who will solve your problem for about 30 bucks. At least one (skinit) will let you give them an image to put on the back of your laptop.
  - tssva 4y ago
    I don't like skins or stickers on my laptop. Comment below says the logo is an easy to remove sticker in the System76 case so it looks like it maybe a non-issue.
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dugmartin 4y ago
I'm wondering with the (permanent?) switch to work from home if laptop sales will go down. I've replaced both my personal and work laptops with System76 Meerkat mini PCs both running stock Unbuntu using Regolith for the desktop environment (https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat). They are stacked on top of each other on my desk and take up next to no space. I work from home (and have since 1999) and don't travel for work (since Covid) so I have no need for laptops now. I have a larger monitor and for now I'm using an old USB switcher to share a wireless connection for my keyboard and mouse and use the input switcher on my monitor to switch between machines. In the future I may get an integrated hdmi/usb switch. Has anyone else abandoned their laptops in favor of desktop/mini PCs?
- tolger 4y ago
  I also work from home. I only use my laptop when I travel once or twice a year. I much prefer my desktop computer.
- rich_sasha 4y ago
  I haven't; i have an office with a screen, physical mouse and keyboard, but it still gets plugged into the laptop. I can take the laptop to the kitchen, living room or garden if I so please. I can take it out of town or abroad. A desktop... I mean, i could take with me but not so easily.
- rawoke083600 4y ago
  lol in my country (south africa) we got blessed with 'load shedding'. i.e the state owned power utility Eskom, switch of our electricity for 2.5 hours up to x3 a day. As there is not enough capacity. So one huge advantage of laptops are a)they run on batteries b) If you do need to run the laptop of an inverter(i dare not say ups) its much easier to power for longer.
- whalesalad 4y ago
  Sorta. I like having flexibility and staying dynamic. I will often jump back and forth between my desk (M1 Mac mini) and my laptop (MacBook pro) to wander around my house on the couch or sometimes outside if the weather is nice. Having your compute/dev take place on a separate box and using these machines as thin clients helps too. My personal machines are mostly just editors now, not running any hefty code processes.
quickthrower2 4y ago
Oh funny I was looking at this the other day, didn’t realize it was a new thing. Their laptops smare tempting. I assume they are better built than the mass produced stuff.
- kllrnohj 4y ago
  > I assume they are better built than the mass produced stuff. I wouldn't assume that. I'd assume this is a mass produced stuff going through an ODM like Clevo. If it isn't, there certainly isn't any reason to expect system76 to be capable of better production than the "mass produced stuff" coming out of eg Dell's XPS line or Lenovo's Carbon line. Especially when those companies have decades of experience and tooling investments here. But I also don't think the dismissal of "mass produced stuff" is really even fair here. The Clevo and other ODM designs have been quite good for a long time now.
solarkraft 4y ago
Apple's 20-hours claims are actually real. I wonder how real these are. My experience with Linux has seen claims like this melt down to 2-3 hours in normal use.
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- blumomo 4y ago
  I use a lemp10, the previous model with 11th gen i7. 15 hours of use are definitely possible in light use (low but sufficient screen brightness, disabling turbo boost), i.e. browsing, some video watching, text editing. Even running docker and compiling doesn’t hurt much. The battery life is so good that I maxed the charging level at 85% to increase the longevity of the battery. I can still work a full day off a single charge.
  - jeroenhd 4y ago
    With modern laptops you can definitely get at least 10+ hours of work out of them but that wildly depends on how well the power curves are configured. If you're in luck the ones that Linux uses are good for your use case and you'll get great performance out of your laptop out of the box, if you're out of luck you'll have the tweak all kinds of settings to get more than five hours of battery life out of a laptop. The same is true for Windows, though manufacturers often provide better presets to Microsoft. The biggest killer of my laptop's battery life is the dedicated GPU. The second that thing turns on (for example, when I attach an HDMI cable) I can feel the entire laptop heating up. Granted, this laptop is sold as a mobile workstation for about half the price of a Macbook Pro, so it's not really designed for battery life, but it's still quite annoying sometimes. My previous laptop couldn't get more than two hours out of a charge, it's crazy how much more you can get even out of cheap laptops these days.
    - trelane 4y ago
      Where are the power curves stored?
tunnuz 4y ago
Can one install Windows on these?
- muyuu 4y ago
  why would you though? the amount of high-volume, tight margin budget laptops with Windows pre-installed is huge
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  Windows will run on nearly anything but these laptops are often Clevo designs with some mixed and matched parts to get Linux running nicely. The whole point of System76 is to provide Linux support, and that comes at a price. If you want to run Windows, there are much better options out there for less money.
smcleod 4y ago
Why a shame it only has a 1080p screen, there's no way I could go back to low resolution.
nicexe 4y ago
What is it with the weird RAM configurations? It looks like they have 8GB embedded (soldered) to the motherboard. The choices for RAM configuration come down to 8GB, 2x8GB, 8GB + 16GB and 8GB + 32GB. That makes the second option the only dual channel configuration. Going past 2x8GB is not a real upgrade but more like a side-grade.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Yeah, I hate this too. Either solder both in a sane dial channel configuration or have both socketed. What is it with this 8GB soldered, one socket free thing?
  - iasay 4y ago
    Manufacturing cost reduction.
    - sascha_sl 4y ago
      It's a weird trade off to make on a business laptop, but everyone does it now, including Lenovo with ThinkPads. If you want the upgradability and ports of a 2011 Thinkpad you need to buy a budget gaming laptop now.
    - trelane 4y ago
      I've read that socketed can be less performant than soldered but I don't have a good source to confirm or explain why.
      - iasay 4y ago
        If it’s a standard RAM interface then no it doesn’t make any difference to performance.
- pmoriarty 4y ago
  Soldered, non-upgradable hardware is the bane of my existence.
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Shadonototra 4y ago
laptop = lap top, and 0 word on power efficiency, fan noise, and cooling laptop industry is dead since apple released their M1
jart 4y ago
A reasonably priced upscale Linux laptop with open firmware, named after my favorite animal, and a mechanical keyboard. Wow I can't remember the last time some product came along that sounds so perfect for me. I really want to try this because there's no way this can't be awesome. It's like they read our minds and put everything we wanted but never imagined we'd get in one product.
- dharmaturtle 4y ago
  I believe the mechanical keyboard you speak of is an external device (and not part of the laptop frame).
I_am_tiberius 4y ago
Isn't that laptop produced by another company and just rebranded by system76?
- sweettea 4y ago
  Clevo: though they work closely with them to ensure all the hardware is Linux-supported. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17039414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17039414
  - trelane 4y ago
    Also, the firmware is totally different, and open source. https://support.system76.com/articles/open-firmware-systems/ https://support.system76.com/articles/open-firmware-systems/ So, Clevo is the ODM, just like Compal and some others are for Dell: https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/vn/corporate~corp-comm~en/documents~dell-suppliers.pdf https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/vn/corporate~corp-comm~en/d...
- lhl 4y ago
  The chassis is I believe a L140PU: https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1599&lang=en https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1599&lang=en If I were buying this model I wouldn't mind buying it from System76 if you're not ultra-price sensitive to show support for their coreboot and open-source EC development. The Intel i7-1255U is about 20% slower than an Intel i7-1260P or an AMD 5800U, so it's performance isn't bad, but personally I'd rather have a >16:9 >1080p >300 nit display (similar alternatives with better displays: Tuxedo Pulse 15 Gen2, Slimbook Executive 14, Framework 12th Gen)
cpursley 4y ago
Nice form factor but it's hard to consider a notebook that's not Ryzen-based these days.
- g105b 4y ago
  why?
  - dijit 4y ago
    Ryzen is beating intel quite hard for performance/watt (with the associated heat trade-off too). These are very core to the value proposition of laptops, so it makes sense and directly translates to longer battery and reduced fan noise.
    - cpursley 4y ago
      This. Heat and battery life.
      - cpursley 4y ago
        Bizarro to get downvoted. Do people like scorching hot laptops that need constant recharging?
jmclnx 4y ago
When the time comes for a new laptop, I would get a System76. The fact they somewhat disable Intel ME is a big plus for me. But I know I would miss the trackpoint. My only main requirement is the hardware needs to support Slackware and Open/Net BSD.
fio_ini 4y ago
It says 14 hour battery life but how can anyone tell about future longevity? I usually find any other laptop than a macbook has poor long term life. For example I have my macbook (this isn't a pro Apple post but they have damn good battery life and power efficiency) that lasts 10 or more hours after 3-4 years and then a Dell precision 5540 that lasts 10 minutes after 1 year. These aren't exact figures but you get the picture. Is there somehow to calculate this comparison/benchmark against multiple workbooks with different hardware and claims with all the usage aside. Don't say "well if you use it more and has more apps open..." or "the operating system uses blah blah blah" just hardware specific benchmark agnostic of apps and os, etc.
- bluedino 4y ago
  My 3-4 year old Macbooks definitely don't last anywhere near their original battery life, and I've had plenty of MacBook batteries fail in the way of turning off under 50% battery when under heavy load. Not to mention swelling up.
  - fio_ini 4y ago
    actually speaking of apple... bc I didn't really want to get into this whole debate.. but at this price point why wouldn't you just buy a macbook air m2.
    - ActorNightly 4y ago
      Macs are not comparable to a full Linux system. Also, when the battery dies, you can replace it easily. Any modern laptop is still going to have battery degradation. This is a much better investment for those that can't afford to replace laptops every 3-4 years.
      - fio_ini 4y ago
        As someone (myself) that uses linux almost exclusively, what is that supposed to mean "that it's not comparable?" It's 100% comparable. And if you ask me ubuntu gnome desktop is starting to look exactly like a mac ui. Another comparison is that there's no support for my "full Linux system" when shit hits the fan and the OS deadlocks except for myself. Linux has 100% bricked on me after upgrades/updates. Anyway overall I 100% love my ubuntu and centos systems. 5/5 would recommend.
adsteel_ 4y ago
One design choice I love here is having the track pad centered on home row, instead of centered on the laptop body. Lenovo has the same orientation. I recently had to switch back to a body centered track pad for work and now I'm aware of the contortions my right hand has to perform in order to type while also resting on the laptop. It slows me down and increases typos. For anyone who types with all 10 fingers, a home row centered track pad is the only serious option.
- BillinghamJ 4y ago
  A well designed trackpad will have virtually flawless palm rejection, which means it shouldn't matter. I'm not sure how that fares outside of Apple machines though.
  - solarkraft 4y ago
    I get enough ghost touches to be annoying on the 2020 Macbook Air and Pro. What device is supposed to be better?
  - ksec 4y ago
    Apple doesn't have flawless palm rejection, part of the reason why the larger trackpad on new MBP isn't loved by everyone.
  - kibwen 4y ago
    I have a System76 (not a Lemur, but surely the touchpad software is the same) and I've never once had a problem with palm rejection. For that matter, I never had a problem with palm rejection on any of the Windows laptops I used to use. Are there any laptops that do have problems with palm rejection? AFAICT it seems like a solved problem (unlike, say "smart sleep", which is an unmitigated nightmare everywhere, including on Macs).
- hedora 4y ago
  I agree that the track pad should be centered under the home row, but it is just as important to me that the home row be centered under the screen! If you look at the top down picture of the keyboard above "tech specs", you'll see that this laptop fails on both accounts. :-(
beanjuiceII 4y ago
i don't believe it, after buying all kinds of laptops including system76 the only laptop to live up to being usable and keeping long battery life has been my m1 macbook pro. Until these vendors leave intel(to what i don't know) I think it will be difficult to compete
jmondi 4y ago
I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one of the best Linux desktops I’ve used. Manjaro gives it a nice run for it’s money… But.. next year is going to be the year of the Linux desktop! No disrespect to @jeremy_soller, because he is doing a killer job on Pop, but even in 2022, the Linux desktop is RC Cola, and MacOS is Genuine Coke Cola. I’m sure there are die hard RC Cola fans, but most of the world will definitely still prefer Coke Cola. - You would need to be pretty comfortable on a command line, and using Linux, to be comfortable using a Linux desktop. This computer would not be okay for my wife. - The keyboard keys started showing wear and tear after less than 9 months. The keys started to peel, basically, the home-row keys all lost their gloss coat where you could see it visibly that usage had caused a hole in the keys glossy layer. - I had a fully specced i7, and the performance was great. It out performed my works 2019 i7 MacBook with Touchbar. As for my M1… the M1 is faster. - I loved how the screen opened all the way 180 degrees, it was something I didn’t think I’d even care about, but it was nice to have. - The touchpad was like using a Windows machine from 2010. It was so tiny, and had only the bare essential features of registering 1 finger clicks, or 2 finger scrolls. No gestures. No nice click feeling. TINY. THE TOUCH PAD IS SO SMALL. Why do non-Mac Laptop users put up with such small touchpads? It is maddening. - It would charge over USB-C, but there was only 1 USB-C port, so that was kind of annoying. It did have a regular charger…. That was like the windows laptop I had in 2005. Short cord, and don’t accidentally trip on the cord while it is charging, or else GG laptop. Overall, I was glad I tried it. For a variety of reasons, I want there to be viable Mac alternatives in the field. I ended up selling my Lemur Pro a few months after I got my 14” M1.
- thethought 4y ago
  >> rc cola .. blah blah Genuine question. Did rc-cola make claim that it is same/close as real cola ? Seem more like taste issue than durian-2-durian compare. Itching to buy a system76 64gb laptop and let go of mbp (good), and the idiotic lenevo and thinkpad (32gb duds.) disclaimer — I work mostly console.
BaculumMeumEst 4y ago
do these laptops suspend/resume as well as macs when you open and close the lid?
- sunfish 4y ago
  I have a previous-generation Lemur Pro and suspend/resume on lid close/open works great.
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sampa 4y ago
Give me proper (bigger) arrow keys (see Thinkpad) and 16:10 screen and I'd buy it. Ryzen would be better, too.
vbuterin 4y ago
The "14 hours" is a huge exaggeration, but that's to be expected; every advertised battery life I've ever seen is a huge exaggeration. But I have to strongly vouch for this one; it's the first laptop I've seen that actually can actually last more than seven whole hours with Linux. Every other laptop I've tried lasts under four hours, even if it advertises twenty.
- siikanen__ 4y ago
  My XPS 15 9570 happily lasts 10+ hours, even though it's already few years old now. Running Arch with nouveau and nvidia card disabled
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Well usually laptops don’t come from the OEM with Linux, so if you slap Ubuntu on there and the power management stinks, that’s on you. Laptops with practical 10+ hours battery life usually come with Linux from the factory. Eg the google Pixelbook Go, which gets about 10-12 hours on a battery half as large as the one we are discussing. The System76 has mostly just thrown a gigantic battery at the problem.
Linda703 4y ago
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jonnycomputer 4y ago
I admit one of the big draws of the MacBookPro is the screen. Well that and the trackpad.
- sneak 4y ago
  You forgot the CPU and the speakers, too. :)
  - jonnycomputer 4y ago
    Well, the M1 is great (I like mine, even if it took 6 months to arrive...), but my comment stands for older versions of the MBP with Intel inside.
willfindlay 4y ago
I bought an Oryx Pro last year and the screen fell off after one day of use. Got a free replacement and the exact same thing happened. The next time I contacted customer support, they sent me some adhesive strips and told me that if I applied them to the back of the screen and pressed it back into place it shouldn't happen again. I asked them why they hadn't done this properly in the first place and they had no answer for me. I want to love System76. I really do. But the truth is that I don't think I will ever trust them again.
psanford 4y ago
Man I wish System76 or Framework or someone else could make hardware as nice as Apple. I just ordered an M2 Air which I will be primarily running Linux on. I'm replacing my Lenovo T480s (which was a great laptop) because I want _nice_ hardware. There are just so few options that even come close to competing with Apple.
- throwmisinfo388 4y ago
  Do you know anything about the 2022 HP Elitebooks? The 800 and 1040 series look really good. 16:10 screens. https://www.hp.com/us-en/laptops/business/elitebooks.html https://www.hp.com/us-en/laptops/business/elitebooks.html
- toastal 4y ago
  There's plenty of good competition, just none of those options come with Linux—and as we saw with the Lenovo news yesterday, it's getting less friendly to install a FOSS OS.
  - nicce 4y ago
    Lenovo news was just a click bait which meant nothing. You can install FOSS OS as well as 5 years ago.
    - toastal 4y ago
      Yes and no. A lot of folks would be afraid to fiddle with their BIOS settings. Reading that step could scare some users off from trying—especially the sound of “disable ‘secure boot’”—but it's nothing a future Linux user should be scared of.
      - rg111 4y ago
        If you are afraid to fiddle with your BIOS, should you even be using Linux?
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mciancia 4y ago
I's that just another rebrand from clevo or something like that or they actually did something on their own?
tbarbugli 4y ago
After 10 years of Mac I was ready to give up and switch to System76. Then M1 happened, I don't see myself moving from Mac for the next decade.
knighthack 4y ago
The one thing I did not like about the Lemur Pro is its odd and extremely tiny arrow keys. That made it impossible to use, given that I touch type and rely on motor memory for typing. Most of the time this is quite neglible because the Lemur machine I have is tied to a mechanical keyboard and a desktop. But when I have to lug it around it can be quite annoying for serious, long-form work.
guerrilla 4y ago
Everyone's talking about the laptop, but are you all not impressed that System76 is doing so well? I didn't think they'd be around this long, but I am pleasantly surprised and quite impressed they keep pumping out good stuff. I don't need a new computer yet but with Lenovo gradually decaying, I'm glad there's a fresh face on the block.
codedokode 4y ago
Looks interesting. Here is what I would change: - increase screen size to at least 15.5" because small screen is unusable for programming and for browsing modern websites with large font size and large pictures - use IPS panel (can increase cost) - make arrow keys full size (doesn't cost anything) - add 7 keys for additional Cyrillic letters and 2 keys to switch between layouts (doesn't cost anything) - add 3 USB ports and Ethernet (doesn't noticeably increase cost) - increase RAM limit to 128 Gb (shouldn't cost anything, it is probably just a software limitation) - use standard 3.5mm audio jacks Using a better LCD panel can increase cost, so here is how this can be conpensated: - use an older cheaper CPU. Newest CPUs usually have lower performance to cost ratio and therefore it doesn't make sense to buy them. Also why pay for 10 cores when most of the time you will be using 1 or 2? - support cheaper HDD instead of SSD - remove unnecessary speakers - remove unnecessary keyboard backlight. Using laptop in darkness is bad for eyes anyway. Also I am surprised that a modern i7 CPU that costs over $470 has just 12Mb cache. You can (probably) buy an old CPU with more cache for smaller price.
jbeard4 4y ago
I have had this specific system for about a year, and I get about 4-5 hours battery life for my main use case, which is web development, zoom calls and remote computing with Remmina (RDP). One of the best things about it is the native support for Docker. Overall, I have been pretty happy with it, and will probably purchase from System76 again when it's time to upgrade. Happy to answer any questions anyone has about it.
Mikeb85 4y ago
I want to like System76, but ultimately can't. Dell, Lenovo and others have much better hardware and still run Linux just as well.

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bonif 4y ago

Display 14.1″ 1920×1080 FHD, Matte Finish Year 2022

muyuu 4y ago
HP Dev One, same thing maybe they expect those dev compys to be used with external screens, and maybe they also need the Linux computer price points to be lower

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jef_leppard 4y ago

I own a System 76 laptop (the Oryx) and ultimately bought a MacBook Air m1 to replace it. I'm not sure how many people know this, but S76 doesn't make their own hardware and instead uses repackaged Clevo laptops. These machines are cheap, ugly, and heavy. Nothing about them feels particularly high quality. They charge a premium price so I'd expected more and was disappointed. Knowing what I know now, I would have gotten a Framework laptop for a first class linux experience. All that said, PopOS is my distro of choice. They really got a lot right there IMO. If they can get it together on the hardware front, might be worth another look in the future.

alexeiz 4y ago

If you spec Lemur Pro like HP Dev One, it's $300 more expensive.

IYasha 4y ago

No AMD. No Gb ethernet. No VGA. Built-in battery. Garbage.

MasterYoda 4y ago

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/alder-lake-powered-linux-laptop-arrives-14-hours-of-battery-life https://www.tomshardware.com/news/alder-lake-powered-linux-l...

acomjean 4y ago
I was wondering how that got that battery life. I have an old system 76 (8th gen intel and nvidia) and while it’s quite speedy and can game, battery life isn’t great. The article hints at Linux now using intels new low power cores. Though I’m not sure exactly how. “Like Windows, Linux had to have some serious tinkering under the hood to prepare for the mix of Performance and Efficiency cores in Alder Lake chips. However, rest assured, efficient hybrid scheduling is taken care of with the two OS options that can be pre-installed on the Lemur Pro.”
- CoastalCoder 4y ago
  I recently discovered powertop. It makes a huge difference for my Lenovo Legion.
- lhl 4y ago
  There are lots of little tweaks that can make a huge difference in battery life. Since there's a lot more that was posted on the Framework community I use that as an example (but it can apply to any laptop model). OOTB, reports for idling was anywhere from 7-11W. With the Framework's 55Wh battery, that would mean that it would run down in 5-8h at complete idle (oof): https://community.frame.work/t/issues-with-power-usage/12261 https://community.frame.work/t/issues-with-power-usage/12261 https://community.frame.work/t/nixos-power-consumption/6339 https://community.frame.work/t/nixos-power-consumption/6339 However, with some tuning, that can get down to as low as 2.5-3W: https://community.frame.work/t/linux-battery-life-tuning/6665 https://community.frame.work/t/linux-battery-life-tuning/666... https://community.frame.work/t/battery-life-impact-of-ram-memory-configuration-extra-data/6426 https://community.frame.work/t/battery-life-impact-of-ram-me... To summarize on the configuration options, the biggest gains are probably from powertop/tlp tunings, PSR, settings to get to C9/C10 on idle (PSR is a prereq for this), replacing PulseAudio w/ Pipewire, modifying the EPP values, and fstab options (noatime, relatime). Of course, some of System76's gains could be spending some extra effort on their EC/BIOS tunings, or on the hardware itself (lots of ways to mess up or to get gains from the motherboard layout/components). It's also worth noting that some SSDs like the Hynix P31 consume much less power than others, so hardware selection can play a part as well.

Darmody 4y ago

8, 16, 24 or 40 GB of RAM. What is that?

theodric 4y ago
My wild guess: 8GB soldered on the board plus a single DIMM slot for expansion with 8, 16, 32GB modules
- pierrefermat1 4y ago
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- pierrefermat1 4y ago
  Yes definitely this, they are just distributing OEM laptops and can't alter the design decisions at the initial phase. So you end up with loss of some dual channel RAM benefits
- trelane 4y ago
  Yep. If you click on "[Design + Buy]" you can see the higher amounts are "8GB + 32GB"

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unrealhoang 4y ago

Non-hiDPI display in 2022 is a non-starter. There’s simply not enough pixels to display text correctly with full hd.

prmoustache 4y ago
Only if you are used to hiDPI in the first place.
- tssva 4y ago
  I have had laptops with hiDPI monitors in the past and currently have a laptop with a FHD screen. After having used both I consider a hiDPI monitor a waste of money and battery life for a 14" laptop.
chrisseaton 4y ago
I vaguely think my cheap college laptop display around 2006 was 1080 lines tall. How can it possibly be that some manufacturers haven't moved on since then?
- sshine 4y ago
  Some people don't care as much about DPI. I personally got the third-cheapest 49" ultrawide. People's eyesights vary. I need big letters anyways.
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  - sph 4y ago
    The point of HiDPI is not having really small text, is doubling the scaling so text looks smooth instead of a pixelated, blocky mess. I thought it was a gimmick in 2015 before I got my first MBP, these days I can't go back and have my eyes bleed on 96 dpi. You don't even need full Retina, my 27" 4K screen looks gorgeous at double scaling. >150 dpi monitors are the second best tech upgrade of this millennium after the SSD. Yet, there's still people these days that will try to convince you their 5400 rpm disk is fast enough, just because they have never experienced modern hardware.

haspok 4y ago

"...with 14 hours of battery life" - yes, maybe, but did you see it comes with a large battery (73Wh instead of the usual ~55Wh)? Thinkpad X1s can do ~10-12 hours on the smaller battery. So this is nothing to brag about really. 12th Gen Intel is still way behind the M1, unfortunately. I also don't get the FHD (16:9) screen, it seems like the Clevo shell has not been updated from past years... :(

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

good to see linux being sold in laptop out of the box. this means, hopefully that bugs that the linux community was used to, because everyone knew it and didn't bother fixing are getting fixed because linus managed to break Pop os in the first command. stuff like what kde is doing with their "15-Minute Bugs" are great initiatives. this will definitely help the overall linux software become more rugged and idiot friendly

sshine 4y ago
> good to see linux being sold in laptop out of the box. I remember knowing that if I got an IBM ThinkPad, it probably had good Linux driver support. I still make the assumption that Lenovo ThinkPads have better Linux driver support because hackers prefer them. But I honestly have no idea if that's true any more.
- tux2bsd 4y ago
  Various, generally older, ThinkPads are popular in the *BSD communities too.
- TingPing 4y ago
  Better than average but the majority of laptops use the same hardware and drivers. A bad wifi chip here or an odd fingerprint reader there are the majority of issues.
- alpaca128 4y ago
  Mine needs an unofficial wifi driver or the connection will just die every 20 minutes, and the NVidia Optimus hardware is a nightmare. I like the laptop overall but I'll never touch NVidia stuff again. Drivers are among the things I just don't want to deal with.
encryptluks2 4y ago
It is good to see it but a bit ridiculous to see companies marking up the pricing just to install an OS which is pretty simple to do with almost any hardware.

tssva 4y ago

I'm not a fan of having my laptop maker's logo plastered on the exterior of my laptop but it is unavoidable these days. The System76 logo on this laptop is an especially egregious example of this. It alone would prevent me from considering purchasing one. I'll be looking elsewhere next year when I am due to upgrade which is unfortunate because I am a fan of Pop!_OS and would otherwise have considered System76. Edit: A comment says the logo on the System76 laptop is an easy to remove sticker so this might be a non-issue.

2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
Put a black sticker over it and call it a day?
- mongol 4y ago
  I question the judgement of the designers when I see such a large logo. Makes me hesitant about the overall quality. It looks cheap.
  - jraph 4y ago
    I consider it is a matter of taste. The large logo could also be a requirement from the marketing department. In this view, it should therefore not be a hint about the overall quality.
rst 4y ago
There are a bunch of sellers of laptop skins who will solve your problem for about 30 bucks. At least one (skinit) will let you give them an image to put on the back of your laptop.
- tssva 4y ago
  I don't like skins or stickers on my laptop. Comment below says the logo is an easy to remove sticker in the System76 case so it looks like it maybe a non-issue.
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dugmartin 4y ago

I'm wondering with the (permanent?) switch to work from home if laptop sales will go down. I've replaced both my personal and work laptops with System76 Meerkat mini PCs both running stock Unbuntu using Regolith for the desktop environment (https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat). They are stacked on top of each other on my desk and take up next to no space. I work from home (and have since 1999) and don't travel for work (since Covid) so I have no need for laptops now. I have a larger monitor and for now I'm using an old USB switcher to share a wireless connection for my keyboard and mouse and use the input switcher on my monitor to switch between machines. In the future I may get an integrated hdmi/usb switch. Has anyone else abandoned their laptops in favor of desktop/mini PCs?

tolger 4y ago
I also work from home. I only use my laptop when I travel once or twice a year. I much prefer my desktop computer.
rich_sasha 4y ago
I haven't; i have an office with a screen, physical mouse and keyboard, but it still gets plugged into the laptop. I can take the laptop to the kitchen, living room or garden if I so please. I can take it out of town or abroad. A desktop... I mean, i could take with me but not so easily.
rawoke083600 4y ago
lol in my country (south africa) we got blessed with 'load shedding'. i.e the state owned power utility Eskom, switch of our electricity for 2.5 hours up to x3 a day. As there is not enough capacity. So one huge advantage of laptops are a)they run on batteries b) If you do need to run the laptop of an inverter(i dare not say ups) its much easier to power for longer.
whalesalad 4y ago
Sorta. I like having flexibility and staying dynamic. I will often jump back and forth between my desk (M1 Mac mini) and my laptop (MacBook pro) to wander around my house on the couch or sometimes outside if the weather is nice. Having your compute/dev take place on a separate box and using these machines as thin clients helps too. My personal machines are mostly just editors now, not running any hefty code processes.

quickthrower2 4y ago

Oh funny I was looking at this the other day, didn’t realize it was a new thing. Their laptops smare tempting. I assume they are better built than the mass produced stuff.

kllrnohj 4y ago
> I assume they are better built than the mass produced stuff. I wouldn't assume that. I'd assume this is a mass produced stuff going through an ODM like Clevo. If it isn't, there certainly isn't any reason to expect system76 to be capable of better production than the "mass produced stuff" coming out of eg Dell's XPS line or Lenovo's Carbon line. Especially when those companies have decades of experience and tooling investments here. But I also don't think the dismissal of "mass produced stuff" is really even fair here. The Clevo and other ODM designs have been quite good for a long time now.

solarkraft 4y ago

Apple's 20-hours claims are actually real. I wonder how real these are. My experience with Linux has seen claims like this melt down to 2-3 hours in normal use.

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blumomo 4y ago
I use a lemp10, the previous model with 11th gen i7. 15 hours of use are definitely possible in light use (low but sufficient screen brightness, disabling turbo boost), i.e. browsing, some video watching, text editing. Even running docker and compiling doesn’t hurt much. The battery life is so good that I maxed the charging level at 85% to increase the longevity of the battery. I can still work a full day off a single charge.
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  With modern laptops you can definitely get at least 10+ hours of work out of them but that wildly depends on how well the power curves are configured. If you're in luck the ones that Linux uses are good for your use case and you'll get great performance out of your laptop out of the box, if you're out of luck you'll have the tweak all kinds of settings to get more than five hours of battery life out of a laptop. The same is true for Windows, though manufacturers often provide better presets to Microsoft. The biggest killer of my laptop's battery life is the dedicated GPU. The second that thing turns on (for example, when I attach an HDMI cable) I can feel the entire laptop heating up. Granted, this laptop is sold as a mobile workstation for about half the price of a Macbook Pro, so it's not really designed for battery life, but it's still quite annoying sometimes. My previous laptop couldn't get more than two hours out of a charge, it's crazy how much more you can get even out of cheap laptops these days.
  - trelane 4y ago
    Where are the power curves stored?

tunnuz 4y ago

Can one install Windows on these?

muyuu 4y ago
why would you though? the amount of high-volume, tight margin budget laptops with Windows pre-installed is huge
jeroenhd 4y ago
Windows will run on nearly anything but these laptops are often Clevo designs with some mixed and matched parts to get Linux running nicely. The whole point of System76 is to provide Linux support, and that comes at a price. If you want to run Windows, there are much better options out there for less money.

smcleod 4y ago

Why a shame it only has a 1080p screen, there's no way I could go back to low resolution.

nicexe 4y ago

What is it with the weird RAM configurations? It looks like they have 8GB embedded (soldered) to the motherboard. The choices for RAM configuration come down to 8GB, 2x8GB, 8GB + 16GB and 8GB + 32GB. That makes the second option the only dual channel configuration. Going past 2x8GB is not a real upgrade but more like a side-grade.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Yeah, I hate this too. Either solder both in a sane dial channel configuration or have both socketed. What is it with this 8GB soldered, one socket free thing?
- iasay 4y ago
  Manufacturing cost reduction.
  - sascha_sl 4y ago
    It's a weird trade off to make on a business laptop, but everyone does it now, including Lenovo with ThinkPads. If you want the upgradability and ports of a 2011 Thinkpad you need to buy a budget gaming laptop now.
  - trelane 4y ago
    I've read that socketed can be less performant than soldered but I don't have a good source to confirm or explain why.
    - iasay 4y ago
      If it’s a standard RAM interface then no it doesn’t make any difference to performance.
pmoriarty 4y ago
Soldered, non-upgradable hardware is the bane of my existence.
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Shadonototra 4y ago

laptop = lap top, and 0 word on power efficiency, fan noise, and cooling laptop industry is dead since apple released their M1

jart 4y ago

A reasonably priced upscale Linux laptop with open firmware, named after my favorite animal, and a mechanical keyboard. Wow I can't remember the last time some product came along that sounds so perfect for me. I really want to try this because there's no way this can't be awesome. It's like they read our minds and put everything we wanted but never imagined we'd get in one product.

dharmaturtle 4y ago
I believe the mechanical keyboard you speak of is an external device (and not part of the laptop frame).

I_am_tiberius 4y ago

Isn't that laptop produced by another company and just rebranded by system76?

sweettea 4y ago
Clevo: though they work closely with them to ensure all the hardware is Linux-supported. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17039414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17039414
- trelane 4y ago
  Also, the firmware is totally different, and open source. https://support.system76.com/articles/open-firmware-systems/ https://support.system76.com/articles/open-firmware-systems/ So, Clevo is the ODM, just like Compal and some others are for Dell: https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/vn/corporate~corp-comm~en/documents~dell-suppliers.pdf https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/vn/corporate~corp-comm~en/d...
lhl 4y ago
The chassis is I believe a L140PU: https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1599&lang=en https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1599&lang=en If I were buying this model I wouldn't mind buying it from System76 if you're not ultra-price sensitive to show support for their coreboot and open-source EC development. The Intel i7-1255U is about 20% slower than an Intel i7-1260P or an AMD 5800U, so it's performance isn't bad, but personally I'd rather have a >16:9 >1080p >300 nit display (similar alternatives with better displays: Tuxedo Pulse 15 Gen2, Slimbook Executive 14, Framework 12th Gen)

cpursley 4y ago

Nice form factor but it's hard to consider a notebook that's not Ryzen-based these days.

g105b 4y ago
why?
- dijit 4y ago
  Ryzen is beating intel quite hard for performance/watt (with the associated heat trade-off too). These are very core to the value proposition of laptops, so it makes sense and directly translates to longer battery and reduced fan noise.
  - cpursley 4y ago
    This. Heat and battery life.
    - cpursley 4y ago
      Bizarro to get downvoted. Do people like scorching hot laptops that need constant recharging?

jmclnx 4y ago

When the time comes for a new laptop, I would get a System76. The fact they somewhat disable Intel ME is a big plus for me. But I know I would miss the trackpoint. My only main requirement is the hardware needs to support Slackware and Open/Net BSD.

fio_ini 4y ago

It says 14 hour battery life but how can anyone tell about future longevity? I usually find any other laptop than a macbook has poor long term life. For example I have my macbook (this isn't a pro Apple post but they have damn good battery life and power efficiency) that lasts 10 or more hours after 3-4 years and then a Dell precision 5540 that lasts 10 minutes after 1 year. These aren't exact figures but you get the picture. Is there somehow to calculate this comparison/benchmark against multiple workbooks with different hardware and claims with all the usage aside. Don't say "well if you use it more and has more apps open..." or "the operating system uses blah blah blah" just hardware specific benchmark agnostic of apps and os, etc.

bluedino 4y ago
My 3-4 year old Macbooks definitely don't last anywhere near their original battery life, and I've had plenty of MacBook batteries fail in the way of turning off under 50% battery when under heavy load. Not to mention swelling up.
- fio_ini 4y ago
  actually speaking of apple... bc I didn't really want to get into this whole debate.. but at this price point why wouldn't you just buy a macbook air m2.
  - ActorNightly 4y ago
    Macs are not comparable to a full Linux system. Also, when the battery dies, you can replace it easily. Any modern laptop is still going to have battery degradation. This is a much better investment for those that can't afford to replace laptops every 3-4 years.
    - fio_ini 4y ago
      As someone (myself) that uses linux almost exclusively, what is that supposed to mean "that it's not comparable?" It's 100% comparable. And if you ask me ubuntu gnome desktop is starting to look exactly like a mac ui. Another comparison is that there's no support for my "full Linux system" when shit hits the fan and the OS deadlocks except for myself. Linux has 100% bricked on me after upgrades/updates. Anyway overall I 100% love my ubuntu and centos systems. 5/5 would recommend.

adsteel_ 4y ago

One design choice I love here is having the track pad centered on home row, instead of centered on the laptop body. Lenovo has the same orientation. I recently had to switch back to a body centered track pad for work and now I'm aware of the contortions my right hand has to perform in order to type while also resting on the laptop. It slows me down and increases typos. For anyone who types with all 10 fingers, a home row centered track pad is the only serious option.

BillinghamJ 4y ago
A well designed trackpad will have virtually flawless palm rejection, which means it shouldn't matter. I'm not sure how that fares outside of Apple machines though.
- solarkraft 4y ago
  I get enough ghost touches to be annoying on the 2020 Macbook Air and Pro. What device is supposed to be better?
- ksec 4y ago
  Apple doesn't have flawless palm rejection, part of the reason why the larger trackpad on new MBP isn't loved by everyone.
- kibwen 4y ago
  I have a System76 (not a Lemur, but surely the touchpad software is the same) and I've never once had a problem with palm rejection. For that matter, I never had a problem with palm rejection on any of the Windows laptops I used to use. Are there any laptops that do have problems with palm rejection? AFAICT it seems like a solved problem (unlike, say "smart sleep", which is an unmitigated nightmare everywhere, including on Macs).
hedora 4y ago
I agree that the track pad should be centered under the home row, but it is just as important to me that the home row be centered under the screen! If you look at the top down picture of the keyboard above "tech specs", you'll see that this laptop fails on both accounts. :-(

beanjuiceII 4y ago

i don't believe it, after buying all kinds of laptops including system76 the only laptop to live up to being usable and keeping long battery life has been my m1 macbook pro. Until these vendors leave intel(to what i don't know) I think it will be difficult to compete

jmondi 4y ago

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one of the best Linux desktops I’ve used. Manjaro gives it a nice run for it’s money… But.. next year is going to be the year of the Linux desktop! No disrespect to @jeremy_soller, because he is doing a killer job on Pop, but even in 2022, the Linux desktop is RC Cola, and MacOS is Genuine Coke Cola. I’m sure there are die hard RC Cola fans, but most of the world will definitely still prefer Coke Cola. - You would need to be pretty comfortable on a command line, and using Linux, to be comfortable using a Linux desktop. This computer would not be okay for my wife. - The keyboard keys started showing wear and tear after less than 9 months. The keys started to peel, basically, the home-row keys all lost their gloss coat where you could see it visibly that usage had caused a hole in the keys glossy layer. - I had a fully specced i7, and the performance was great. It out performed my works 2019 i7 MacBook with Touchbar. As for my M1… the M1 is faster. - I loved how the screen opened all the way 180 degrees, it was something I didn’t think I’d even care about, but it was nice to have. - The touchpad was like using a Windows machine from 2010. It was so tiny, and had only the bare essential features of registering 1 finger clicks, or 2 finger scrolls. No gestures. No nice click feeling. TINY. THE TOUCH PAD IS SO SMALL. Why do non-Mac Laptop users put up with such small touchpads? It is maddening. - It would charge over USB-C, but there was only 1 USB-C port, so that was kind of annoying. It did have a regular charger…. That was like the windows laptop I had in 2005. Short cord, and don’t accidentally trip on the cord while it is charging, or else GG laptop. Overall, I was glad I tried it. For a variety of reasons, I want there to be viable Mac alternatives in the field. I ended up selling my Lemur Pro a few months after I got my 14” M1.

thethought 4y ago
>> rc cola .. blah blah Genuine question. Did rc-cola make claim that it is same/close as real cola ? Seem more like taste issue than durian-2-durian compare. Itching to buy a system76 64gb laptop and let go of mbp (good), and the idiotic lenevo and thinkpad (32gb duds.) disclaimer — I work mostly console.

BaculumMeumEst 4y ago

do these laptops suspend/resume as well as macs when you open and close the lid?

sunfish 4y ago
I have a previous-generation Lemur Pro and suspend/resume on lid close/open works great.

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sampa 4y ago

Give me proper (bigger) arrow keys (see Thinkpad) and 16:10 screen and I'd buy it. Ryzen would be better, too.

vbuterin 4y ago

The "14 hours" is a huge exaggeration, but that's to be expected; every advertised battery life I've ever seen is a huge exaggeration. But I have to strongly vouch for this one; it's the first laptop I've seen that actually can actually last more than seven whole hours with Linux. Every other laptop I've tried lasts under four hours, even if it advertises twenty.

siikanen__ 4y ago
My XPS 15 9570 happily lasts 10+ hours, even though it's already few years old now. Running Arch with nouveau and nvidia card disabled
jeffbee 4y ago
Well usually laptops don’t come from the OEM with Linux, so if you slap Ubuntu on there and the power management stinks, that’s on you. Laptops with practical 10+ hours battery life usually come with Linux from the factory. Eg the google Pixelbook Go, which gets about 10-12 hours on a battery half as large as the one we are discussing. The System76 has mostly just thrown a gigantic battery at the problem.

Linda703 4y ago

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jonnycomputer 4y ago

I admit one of the big draws of the MacBookPro is the screen. Well that and the trackpad.

sneak 4y ago
You forgot the CPU and the speakers, too. :)
- jonnycomputer 4y ago
  Well, the M1 is great (I like mine, even if it took 6 months to arrive...), but my comment stands for older versions of the MBP with Intel inside.

willfindlay 4y ago

I bought an Oryx Pro last year and the screen fell off after one day of use. Got a free replacement and the exact same thing happened. The next time I contacted customer support, they sent me some adhesive strips and told me that if I applied them to the back of the screen and pressed it back into place it shouldn't happen again. I asked them why they hadn't done this properly in the first place and they had no answer for me. I want to love System76. I really do. But the truth is that I don't think I will ever trust them again.

psanford 4y ago

Man I wish System76 or Framework or someone else could make hardware as nice as Apple. I just ordered an M2 Air which I will be primarily running Linux on. I'm replacing my Lenovo T480s (which was a great laptop) because I want _nice_ hardware. There are just so few options that even come close to competing with Apple.

throwmisinfo388 4y ago
Do you know anything about the 2022 HP Elitebooks? The 800 and 1040 series look really good. 16:10 screens. https://www.hp.com/us-en/laptops/business/elitebooks.html https://www.hp.com/us-en/laptops/business/elitebooks.html
toastal 4y ago
There's plenty of good competition, just none of those options come with Linux—and as we saw with the Lenovo news yesterday, it's getting less friendly to install a FOSS OS.
- nicce 4y ago
  Lenovo news was just a click bait which meant nothing. You can install FOSS OS as well as 5 years ago.
  - toastal 4y ago
    Yes and no. A lot of folks would be afraid to fiddle with their BIOS settings. Reading that step could scare some users off from trying—especially the sound of “disable ‘secure boot’”—but it's nothing a future Linux user should be scared of.
    - rg111 4y ago
      If you are afraid to fiddle with your BIOS, should you even be using Linux?
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mciancia 4y ago

I's that just another rebrand from clevo or something like that or they actually did something on their own?

tbarbugli 4y ago

After 10 years of Mac I was ready to give up and switch to System76. Then M1 happened, I don't see myself moving from Mac for the next decade.

knighthack 4y ago

The one thing I did not like about the Lemur Pro is its odd and extremely tiny arrow keys. That made it impossible to use, given that I touch type and rely on motor memory for typing. Most of the time this is quite neglible because the Lemur machine I have is tied to a mechanical keyboard and a desktop. But when I have to lug it around it can be quite annoying for serious, long-form work.

guerrilla 4y ago

Everyone's talking about the laptop, but are you all not impressed that System76 is doing so well? I didn't think they'd be around this long, but I am pleasantly surprised and quite impressed they keep pumping out good stuff. I don't need a new computer yet but with Lenovo gradually decaying, I'm glad there's a fresh face on the block.

codedokode 4y ago

Looks interesting. Here is what I would change: - increase screen size to at least 15.5" because small screen is unusable for programming and for browsing modern websites with large font size and large pictures - use IPS panel (can increase cost) - make arrow keys full size (doesn't cost anything) - add 7 keys for additional Cyrillic letters and 2 keys to switch between layouts (doesn't cost anything) - add 3 USB ports and Ethernet (doesn't noticeably increase cost) - increase RAM limit to 128 Gb (shouldn't cost anything, it is probably just a software limitation) - use standard 3.5mm audio jacks Using a better LCD panel can increase cost, so here is how this can be conpensated: - use an older cheaper CPU. Newest CPUs usually have lower performance to cost ratio and therefore it doesn't make sense to buy them. Also why pay for 10 cores when most of the time you will be using 1 or 2? - support cheaper HDD instead of SSD - remove unnecessary speakers - remove unnecessary keyboard backlight. Using laptop in darkness is bad for eyes anyway. Also I am surprised that a modern i7 CPU that costs over $470 has just 12Mb cache. You can (probably) buy an old CPU with more cache for smaller price.

jbeard4 4y ago

I have had this specific system for about a year, and I get about 4-5 hours battery life for my main use case, which is web development, zoom calls and remote computing with Remmina (RDP). One of the best things about it is the native support for Docker. Overall, I have been pretty happy with it, and will probably purchase from System76 again when it's time to upgrade. Happy to answer any questions anyone has about it.

Mikeb85 4y ago

I want to like System76, but ultimately can't. Dell, Lenovo and others have much better hardware and still run Linux just as well.