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Poll: Where do you live?
I read a tweet that referred to HN as "Silicon Valley", which struck me as odd because I suspect most HN users, like me, are located elsewhere. This piqued my curiosity about where HN users are located, so if you don't mind me asking, where do you live?
Edit: Sorry about the randomized ordering (I forgot HN does that for polls). Thanks ahead of time for using cmd+f or the equivalent to find and vote for your state or country. Also, each US state is included as "US: {state name}".
- samuell 5y agoI'm afraid the difference in time zones means this post will be on the front at wildly different times in the day for different parts of earth, might quite heavily skew the results. I guess you'll still be able to make your point though.
- bcon 5y agoI wish analytics had an 'audience view' to help communities understand themselves.
- DougHolland 5y agoUSA: Wisconsin.
- saki709 5y agoCroatian, but studying in Netherlands sooooo
- ninefathom 5y agoPSA to those attempting statistical analysis of the results: people can live in multiple places, and the poll does indeed allow such selection. Assuming in analysis that one vote is equivalent to one person may lead to inaccurate conclusions, as will attempting to build relationships between this data set and those where people are usually represented only once (like US census data).
- joshspankit 5y agoSimilar to the fact “Canada has about the same population as California”, it seems the number of HN users in Canada is about the same as in NY. Fascinating
- sawirricardo 5y agoHi from Indonesia
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- Elof 5y agoUS: California
- echelon 5y agoCalifornia doesn't have to be the center for tech anymore as the world has shifted to a distributed workforce. The US doesn't, for that matter, and you can tell it's happening due to all of the new international investments. Edit with some sources: https://news.crunchbase.com/news/europe-vc-funding-unicorns-2021-monthly-recap/ https://news.crunchbase.com/news/europe-vc-funding-unicorns-... https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Market-Spotlight/Venture-capital-funds-pile-into-India-s-startup-scene https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Market-Spotlight/Venture-c... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-24/startup-funding-triples-to-record-15-billion-in-latin-america https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-24/startup-f...
- vecinu 5y ago> you can tell it's happening due to all of the new international investments. Any sources? Last data I saw showed VC investment in SV eclipses anything around Europe or Asia. There's just a lot more money, especially money with a serious risk appetite, in the US, than elsewhere.
- dec0dedab0de 5y agoI have heard the hypothesis that the main reason Silicon Valley was able to grow is because non compete clauses are invalid in California. So people can start a side business competing with their employer, and only risk being fired (as long as they dont steal IP) They could also freely hop from company to company without waiting in between.
- austincheney 5y agoThat’s nice in theory and likely a factor over some areas. The primary differentiator is a culture of local access to VC funding. It explains both the timeline and geographic distribution.
- tluyben2 5y agoNot sure if this post still ranks in the morning as it's evening in the EU so probably not many people will answer, while the Americas will. I know there are a lot of people from the EU here.
- capableweb 5y agoYeah, would depend on how long it'll be featured on the frontpage page indeed. I know people who only check the /best page once a week or something like that too who would probably miss this unless a ton of people upvote it. Or maybe we can ask @dang to give it a "jobstory" treatment so it keeps around the frontpage for longer?
- belval 5y agoI mean dang could probably just tell us the actual geo breakdown of users...
- young_unixer 5y agoAnd if someone knows a little bit of statistics and someone else knows a little bit about browsing patterns relative to timezones around the world, then we can correct for front page decay.
- rkuykendall-com 5y agoWell it's only 3 hours old and it's currently #14 on /best, so there is probably a good chance everyone will see it.
- marapuru 5y agoChiming in here from the Netherlands at 12 in the night. My guess would be most people check HN during business hours and on weekdays. Based on that guess, my next guess would be that Europe is underrepresented in this poll :-)
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- LAC-Tech 5y agoI mean we're geographically dispersed. But if you had to pick our capital, it would be silicon valley, surely. (Living in a village in rural NZ here)
- aunty_helen 5y agoSays the Ranfurlian coming from a country that has a geographic center as its capital instead of the most populous city -.-
- pmkiwi 5y agoTo be totally fair, the capital should be Nelson which is the true geographic center of NZ!
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- 101008 5y agoI hope there is someone who knows how to code in this community to parse the results and do a nice visualization. I have a cousin who knows about computers, if noone knows here how to do it, I can ask him to try. He always helps me with my printer.
- stronglikedan 5y agoI'll try to whip up an Excel macro over the weekend, but I can't promise anything.
- ShakataGaNai 5y agoExcel Macro's... What does a virus have to do with visualizations?! /s
- cerved 5y agoIt IS only VIRAL if you make it from clicks on the emails!! ALWAYS make clicks with the RIGHT to be SAFE from VIRALS
- emacs28 5y agoI think I can help, I've been learning how to make bar graphs from tables in microsoft word
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- l0b0 5y agoAsk codegolf.stackexchange.com, there's probably a Mathematica one-liner to display a globe with colour-coded areas.
- abdusco 5y agoI never understood the purpose of languages with unicode operators that can supposedly express a 30 line script in like 2 symbols. Are they purpose built on the spot for CodeGolf?
- mihaic 5y agoThe questions now is where are people from that wouldn't answer this? I'm sure the lurker factor is different per location.
- rytill 5y agoThere must be another category "voter" in between commenter and lurker. Content creator > Commenter > Voter > Lurker I wonder what percentage of users vote frequently but don't comment.
- Anthony-G 5y agoI like the concept of voters being an intermediate category between producers/writers and consumers/readers. However, I’d argue that, on Hacker News, the commenters are the actual “content creators” of the HN “community”. It’s easy to submit a URL while it takes substantially more effort (time and thought) to make a useful contribution to an interesting discussion (though submitters are necessary to kick-start the discussions).
- gojomo 5y agoIndeed, it could be interesting to make a heatmap based on explicit responses, then another based on HN's internal IP logs (w/ the clunky geo IP deductions that can be made from that), to see if there's any areas of large divergence – then hypothesize if those are more due to: - selective propensity-to-respond-to-poll - misleading geo IP data - other software-agents/traffic-drivers/usage-differences (eg: some areas/cultures skim headlines once a day, others get deep in the comments)
- mb82br 5y agoBrazil
- notuger 5y agopresente
- Lewisssss 5y agoaqui
- matheusmoreira 5y agoSim.
- anthelios 5y agoWe could ask dang if he can share some stats if he’s allowed to. It’s an interesting question!
- capableweb 5y agoDon't think there is any way of getting the stats on where people live automatically. At most they would probably be able to get most commonly used locations, as a IP belongs to a location, but that doesn't mean that the user lives there (or even that the user is physically around there [VPNs], but probably usually right).
- hammock 5y agoIP data would be close enough to the actual aggregate proportions
- mothsonasloth 5y agoWhy does America get states and UK doesn't get England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland?
- poniko 5y agoYeah and I'm totally missing Norrland in Sweden. Bummer ..
- Hokusai 5y agoAnd someone has added imaginary places like Finland, as a joke.
- dghughes 5y agoSome people in central Canada I have spoken with actually don't know that where I live is a Canadian province. They've never heard of it. Plus time zones too they said they thought it ended at Eastern time but there are two more time zones past that.
- tagoregrtst 5y agoWhat! There’s only 10 provinces! And I prefer to say it’s one and half time zones past EST ;) gotta respect that half hour time slot. I just love Newfies.
- Toutouxc 5y agoI bet that if you tried to invent a language for this "Finland" thing, it would look like total gibberish!
- foxfluff 5y agoカナカッキタカナシ
- Fuhrer01 5y agoThere is no down vote, IDK how Austrians will vote.
- the_duke 5y agoToo many options. I'd have found a continent poll more interesting, I bet many will just not bother scrolling.
- ShakataGaNai 5y agoCmd/Ctrl+F plus your country name.
- cobbaut 5y agoScrolling? You do know about / right? Just type /Belg (or Ctrl-f) to find Belgium.
- j_4 5y agoWell, I did ctrl+f but this is actually the first time I'm hearing about / for quick search, haha. Thanks!
- hycaria 5y agoWhich browser?
- Avshalom 5y agoFirefox. it used to actually default to quick searching anything you typed (with / quick searching only links) but now you have to fiddle with an option for that. ETA: in the spirit of the thread: I'm in Albuquerque, New Mexico, US. Which I've said before.
- gwbas1c 5y agoIMO, it's worth breaking CA up in the survey. At a minimum, Northern and Southern. Califorina at times is like many states. Living in the Northeastern US, "California" is kind of like combining New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine into a single state.
- a_chris 5y agoYeah, why not split north Italy and south Italy then?
- xtracto 5y agoAnd Mexico, there are at least 3 main regions: Northern Mexico (with cities like Tijuana, Monterrey, Chihuahua, Juarez, etc), Central Mexico (Mexico City, Guadalajara, Leon) and Southern Mexico (Yucatan, Quintana Roo, Campeche, Chiapas, etc).
- austin_y 5y agoUS: Alabama
- lhorie 5y agoPasting this in dev console will give you a quick and dirty rundown. It sorts locations by points. [...document.querySelectorAll('.fatitem table .athing')].map(el => [el.textContent.trim(), el.nextSibling.textContent.trim()]).sort(([,a], [,b]) => parseInt(b) - parseInt(a)).map(a => a.join(' - ')) As of this post, California is leading, followed by other places w/ large tech hubs (Germany, UK, Canada, NY, Washington)
- toqy 5y agoThis is begging for a console.table console.table([...document.querySelectorAll('.fatitem table .athing')].map(el => [el.textContent.trim(), el.nextSibling.textContent.trim()]).sort(([,a], [,b]) => parseInt(b) - parseInt(a)))
- gabrielsroka 5y agoMore efficient, uses integers, and sortable in the table: console.table([...document.querySelectorAll('.fatitem table .athing')].map(el => ({place: el.textContent.trim(), score: parseInt(el.nextSibling.textContent)})).sort((a, b) => b.score - a.score))
- gabrielsroka 5y agowith tie breakers console.table([...document.querySelectorAll('.fatitem table .athing')].map(el => ({place: el.textContent.trim(), score: parseInt(el.nextSibling.textContent)})).sort((a, b) => b.score - a.score || a.place.localeCompare(b.place)))
- lhorie 5y agoGood call!
- runjake 5y agoNeat! Noob question: is there a similar way to dump it to JSON, instead of a table?
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- ChrisMarshallNY 5y agoI noticed that every single country/state, has at least one vote. Just for Ss & Gs, you should add "Greenland," and "Antarctica."
- capableweb 5y agoThat's because of the architecture of HN (and indirectly Arc I'd presume) where every created `item` (stories, comments, individual poll-items) starts with 1 point by default, as the author surely would have upvoted it anyways.
- madcaptenor 5y agoSo to correctly interpret the results one has to subtract 1 vote from each?
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y agoExcept that the author obviously ticks one. Not sure if they are allowed to, or be satisfied with 1 of everything...
- capableweb 5y agoOne or more (me and I'm sure others too, live in multiple countries). You're allowed to vote in your own polls as far as I know.
- atlasunshrugged 5y agoIs Washington the State or DC?
- asveikau 5y agoThere appear to be entries for both.
- atlasunshrugged 5y agoAh thanks, I was looking up DC - did not think to do "District of Columbia"
- dumbfounder 5y agoMe too. Don't you love it when you come to a dropdown form and they simply forget DC altogether? That's my fav.
- TulliusCicero 5y agoThe state. DC is listed as District of Columbia. That area's confusing though, since the metro encompasses both DC proper and then multiple states.
- gojomo 5y agoA useful poll! But the very-literal should be reminded: the linguistic mechanisms of synechdoche & metonymy often result in a fuzzy use of parts, or regions, or emblematic examples, or associated items to mean some other closely-related more-amorphous entity. For example, "the White House" for the entire elected president's policy team, no matter which part (or if it's operating from some other place). "Wall Street" for finance, even that outside of New York. Someone's "good eye" to mean their entire skills of evaluation (of detail, aesthetics, potential, etc). And of course 'Silicon Valley' for, depending on context: • a narrow geographical region around the south SF Bay • dominant industries in that region, especially computer/infotech • the whole SF Bay Area, or even Calfornia - at least to the extent there's some (possibly thin/alleged) connections to tech or the SF bay • all computer/infotech companies everywhere, with weak but not absolutely-required implication of some connection (HQ/roots/investors) to above • mindsets highly associated with the any of the above These shifting boundaries based on context/intent annoy people who prefer precision, but are inherent to terms used this way.
- posix_compliant 5y agoI'm fascinated by this comment, and I'm trying to figure out why. I think it's that the author makes good points about an interesting topic, uses correct english, and even draws upon relevant examples; yet, somehow the post has an overall feeling of clunkiness. The author starts off with "But the very-literal should be reminded". Already any readers have to implicitly know that "the very-literal" refers to the specific group of individuals who have read the original post and also have a tendency to take things literally. It's not incorrect english, but since the word "literal" is more commonly used as an adjective, it does take a beat to realize that it serving to create a plural noun as part of "the very-literal". Again, not crazy strange, but it's a language device that is more commonly seen in other contexts rather than on Hacker News. The reader might now be expecting the author to describe what specifically shouldn't be taken literally, but instead author continues with "the linguistic mechanisms of synechdoche & metonymy". I think it's a big leap to expect the reader to know: a) what a "linguistic mechanism" is, ie, how does it differ from a phrase? b) what "synechdoche" is c) what "metonymy" is So now not only is the reader still in the dark about what they shouldn't be taking literally, but now they are likely grappling with trying to understand these definitions unless they are in the likely minority of people who already understand all of these. The author continues: "often result in a fuzzy use of parts, or regions, or emblematic examples, or associated items to mean some other closely-related more-amorphous entity." To me, this just reads as a poor redefinition of the previously mentioned terms. It's like saying "when words are used non-literally, it results in the non-literal use of words". It's not WRONG, per se, but it just leaves the reader more confused about what ultimate point the author is trying to make. To the author's credit, this sentence is immediately followed up with two good examples of synechdoche; however, unless the reader previously understood its definition the ultimate point of these examples is lost. On the other hand if the reader did previously understand the definition of synechdoche, then these examples only further the previous redefinition. At this point, the reader still hasn't been told what they aren't supposed to be taking literally. Finally, the author mentions "Silicon Valley", and it becomes more clear the the crux of this comment is regarding its definition. More examples are provided regarding the specifics of how "Silicon Valley" could be non-literally interpreted -- which is probably the gist of what the author was trying to convey in the first place, but it was buried 88 words into the comment. All in all, this comment could be distilled down to: "Silicon Valley shouldn't be interpreted literally; it can be interpreted a few ways, here are some examples."
- krono 5y agoGekoloniseerd?
- jeliotj 5y agoUS: Montana
- mlindner 5y agoYou pick by upvoting your choice in the poll.
- sigil 5y agoThere were similar polls in 2013. We could compare against those to measure tech dispersal over the last decade! - "Poll: Where are you currently living?" (Countries, 2013) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6582647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6582647 - "Poll: If you're in the US, What State Do You Live In?" (US states, 2013) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5222370 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5222370
- wyager 5y agoThat might measure HN moving to a wider audience rather than the original audience physically moving. The community is clearly a lot different than in it was 2013. I would guess a relatively larger portion of people outside of the Bay Area is part of that.
- sigil 5y agoFor sure, this would only be a rough measure of tech dispersal itself, not a longitudinal study of HN users. The latter is interesting to us HN old timers, but the former is a consequential thing for the whole world.
- culi 5y agoI'd like to see these votes divided by the total population of each place
- paxys 5y agoIf the goal of the poll is to determine where HN users/the tech industry is concentrated, whether the overall population in those areas is high or not doesn't really matter.
- culi 5y agoSure, if that's the goal. What if my goal was to understand just how over-represented English-speaking regions of the world were in the HN demographics? Nothing wrong with having multiple goals
- agilob 5y agoNice of you to distinguish Georgia and US Georgia ;)
- madcaptenor 5y agoGlad I saw this when I searched for Georgia, as someone who lives in US Georgia.
- binarysolo 5y agoThis thread would be way more useful if one of the HN mods were willing to share (a maybe obfuscated) traffic snapshot of the site. As it stands we're gonna get: who on HN bothers to comment on a poll. :)
- dotancohen 5y ago..and is browsing HN while the poll is active. Right now Israel is in Shabbat and many people won't be anywhere near a computer. And I suppose that India is sleeping!
- MaxLeiter 5y agoThis makes me want to create a house-swap service for HN users. Take a two week vacation in someones home (and them in yours) with the social contract established by your HN profiles
- darwinwhy 5y agoDo it! https://loginwithhn.com/ https://loginwithhn.com/
- tluyben2 5y agoYep, that's a great idea. That and house rental with the trust because HN; you can stay anonymous (as far as your profile would be anonymous) until both sides say yes (based on comments + karma).
- message 5y agoI imagine drama if shit hits the fan…
- 1_player 5y agoWith the assumption that HN-goers are more trustworthy than average. I will make no guarantee to be a trustworthy person.
- MaxLeiter 5y agono such assumption, just view a persons profile and decide if you trust them. Some (like me) use our real identities, so it should be possible to get a sense of us. People have varying comfort levels, but I don't see how the average HNer would be worse than the average AirBNBer
- asow92 5y agoI would be curious to see the split between upstate and downstate New York. They might as well be different states.
- hateful 5y agoLong Island, also. Before remote work was more popular, it was very difficult to search for jobs on Long Island in the past. If you put "New York" you get NYC. If you put "50 miles" you get Connecticut.
- asow92 5y agoI used to work in Manhattan for the reason you mention, but now that remote work is more viable I moved back home to the finger lakes region.
- stubbornboi 5y agoyou know maybe it should be with multiple columns...
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- idrios 5y agoMay be worth noting that it's currently the lunar new year so there might be quite a bit less activity from China and the rest of East Asia at the moment.
- dgellow 5y agoHappy new lunar year
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- paxys 5y agoDoes every option get one vote by default? Seems to be a weird design choice.
- binarynate 5y agoYes, I guess that's just how things work on HN
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- yakshaving_jgt 5y agoNice try, NSA.
- asimpletune 5y agoI think of Silicon Valley not so much as a geographic region any more, but rather a way of working, that has been exported all over the world now.
- mankyd 5y agoEh, sort of. As an east-coast resident who has worked for both tech startups as well as large companies, (currently one of the large SV companies), I will say I still view SV as a very different vibe than any work culture I regularly experience here. Anecdotally, my colleagues - past and present - would agree.
- jandrewrogers 5y agoThe Silicon Valley way of working assumes the unique culture of the western US in which it developed, which exists independent of tech. While the ways of working are straightforward, it is difficult to export the social context in which they evolved and the expectations built into that. This is the hidden assumption of the Silicon Valley way of working. I believe one of the reasons Seattle emerged as the second tech juggernaut city, versus another random metro in the US, is that it shares the same western US culture as Silicon Valley and therefore could adopt Silicon Valley's methods unmodified and expect similar results. In other parts of the world, and even in e.g. the eastern US, the impedance mismatch between the Silicon Valley way of working and the socio-cultural milieu are pretty visible.
- cwillu 5y agoHell
- KoftaBob 5y agoNew Jersey's already on the list
- AdamJacobMuller 5y agoAs someone who lives in New Jersey, fuck you and you're 100% correct.
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- whollacsek 5y agoHow about us nomads? Please be inclusive. /s
- binarynate 5y agoGood news: I just added a new "Nomad" option. There's also an "Other" option for anything else.
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- spacehunt 5y agoHmm, can't find Hong Kong.
- jakub_g 5y agoHN is definitely not SV only, but I often observe discussions where folks involved write something country-specific, do not state where they live, and assume implicitly everyone in discussion lives in the same country, they understand the context, and the way things work in their country is the only possible way.
- matheusmoreira 5y agoI love it when people do that because almost always someone else will post a counter example that disproves those assumptions. Learned a lot of facts about other countries here because of this and I try to provide examples from my own country as well whenever possible.
- 1_player 5y agoThat's usually Americans, expecting everybody else to be American as well or they should know how the US works if they don't.
- fartcannon 5y agoSo Canada, the second largest country in the world - a width of nearly 1/10th the earth - is second in this list to California. California is a lot like Vancouver and Toronto, but it's not remotely like the Maritimes, or you know, Quebec. Ah well. Neat poll, thanks.
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- paracyst 5y agoBoulder, Colorado
- rbanffy 5y agoTeam Ireland ftw! 9 people isn’t bad for a small island.
- agopaul 5y agoFrance 28 vs Germany 68 vs Italy 11 I guess that says a lot about the tech scene in Italy
- cozzyd 5y agoor maybe Italians are more likely to be doing something else on a Friday night?
- AnotherGoodName 5y agoGermany has roughly the same ratio of English speakers to the above and this is an English language site. 23m vs 45m vs 17m respectively.
- naetius 5y agoDoes it? May it be that HN is more or less known among tech workers in country “X” (eg: due to language, etc…)?
- agopaul 5y agoSure, you can even say that both France and Germany just have larger populations than Italy. But still I would argue that being open to the international tech scene is pretty important to have a local tech scene. It's also crucial to keep up with innovation.
- naetius 5y agoWould you say that consuming HN is some sort of "benchmark" that measures how open a society is to the tech scene?
- pomian 5y agoOr what they are doing at the time this poll came out.
- bradlys 5y agoWas hoping there was going to be a Silicon Valley option (Or SFBA) but nope... Just California - you know - a place which has 40million people with a lot of them not in SFBA.
- Aptrug 5y agoI was curious to know which locations are ranked the highest, so I made this quick 'n' dirty shell script: #!/bin/sh curl -s 'https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30210378' | awk ' BEGIN { FS = "[<>]" } { for (i = 1; i <= NF; ++i) { if ($i == "font color=\"#000000\"") { printf "%s, ", $(i+1) } else if ($i ~ /^span class="score" id="score_/) { print $(i+1) } } } ' | sort -t',' -nk2 It scrapes the web page, so it's kind of fragile.
- lunatuna 5y agoWorking well for me! Thanks.
- tiborsaas 5y agoHungary is missing from the list :)
- EmilStenstrom 5y agoLooking forward to a visualization that ranks each reply by capita too. Should separate the tech hubs from the large populous regions.
- silisili 5y agoThis would be really nice as a map view. HN polls are useful, but for this many entries is a mess. Plus, the visualization alone would be fun to see.
- jerrygoyal 5y agosince it's late night in asian countries I hope the poll stays on frontpage till tomorrow to get better stats.
- voisin 5y agoWhat order is this list?
- RIMR 5y agoThe 5 people reporting in from North Korea tell me that this poll isn't going to be accurate.
- danuker 5y agoAnyone can implement IPoAC, even with limited technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPoAC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPoAC
- chickenmonkey 5y agoI'm sure there are many Indians on HN, but they probably reside somewhere in the US.
- keewee7 5y agoThey are asleep.
- lagrange77 5y agoPlease add 'Orbit', that would be really cool. I think the chances for an astronaut to be on HN is at least as high as him being on Instagram.
- jbboehr 5y agoWell, in an unverified poll, it would be more likely be some rando: https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and...
- rman666 5y agoUS:Wisconsin:Milwaukee
- jonathanleane 5y ago+1 for team Australia. Anyone in Sydney want to go for a beer?
- digikazi 5y agoUK: England
- kristopolous 5y agoWhere's Palestine?
- joshSzep 5y agoLos Angeles, California
- msilb 5y agoSwitzerland with (currently) 19 votes (+1:)) is overrepresented for its relatively small population size (~9m).
- huhtenberg 5y agoIt's Friday night in Europe. Results will be skewed towards countries that aren't yet drinking, i.e. the US and Canada. A simpler and way more accurate thing to do would be to ask mods to just tally up visits of logged uniques over one week and share the aggregates.
- kzrdude 5y agoThat reminds me to open the beer! Lucky I voted first though.
- colordrops 5y agoSeems that california should have been broken down into regions as well. At least north vs south.
- alifbae 5y agoKarachi, Pakistan
- zoba 5y agoThis surprisingly complete list doesn’t appear to contain a “Remote/Nomad/Airbnb” option … unless I missed it?
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- binarynate 5y agoGood point! I just added a new "Nomad" option. There's also an "Other" option for anything else.
- lucb1e 5y agoMight the timezone have a significant influence on the poll outcome, like during which hours of the day per place it is at #1? (How many polls would we need at different times of day to see what the effect of that is, just two?) Alternatively we could plan this, pin it at #5 for 24/48 hours on working days AoE, and then lock voting or something. Or someone pulls up access logs, since I frankly doubt that it's a sizable percentage of users that use a VPN compared to the error bars of this poll. Countries with low English rates might just participate less, thus have fewer accounts, thus fewer people bother logging in or creating an account for this poll...
- ohlookcake 5y agoI refuse to participate, on account of the overwhelming America-centrism. I realise that by doing this I'm skewing it even more, but
- nobody9999 5y ago>I refuse to participate, on account of the overwhelming America-centrism. I realise that by doing this I'm skewing it even more, but Not sure why you'd see it that way. Especially since the US has more English speaking folks than any other country[0]. Since HN an English language site and there are more (by a lot) English-speaking folks in the US than any other country, it's not surprising that there are more folks from the US on here than other countries. What steps do you suggest to reduce the "America-centrism" of HN? Refusing to participate in a poll certainly isn't viable as a means to do that. As an English speaking resident of the United States, I'd love to see more non-US stuff here on HN. A poll that might be useful in this context is a comparison of the numbers collected here as compared with the location of submitters as a whole. I've found that online translators mostly suck, which limits the usefulness of foreign language submissions on a site that's in English. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-s...
- unnouinceput 5y ago@dang This needs to be pinned for at least 36 hours at the top of HN to make it as accurate as possible. Can you do it, please?
- chitza 5y agoso that tweet was right, eh? at the time of this writing, I'm seeing: California 274 Canada 137 Germany 127 UK 116 New York 110 Washington 104 ... So yeah, "Silicon Valley".
- anyfoo 5y agoI don't think that's super conclusive. As others have mentioned, Californians are awake and during their workday right now, other timezones may be sleeping, and some might not see the post at all because they tend do read HN less on the weekend, for example. I would not be surprised at all if California has a big share, but I don't think this poll is a sure enough way to gauge that. It would have been more insightful if California wasn't one of the top answers right now.
- jolmg 5y ago> and some might not see the post at all because they tend do read HN less on the weekend True. This poll may have been better posted on any other weekday.
- husamia 5y agoHere is a plot https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmSYahKij2EKVRCuXEJvLmkvFKLbWsrAgU3T5G1i827W22/Screen%20Shot%202022-02-04%20at%204.23.40%20PM.jpg https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmSYahKij2EKVRCuXEJvLmkvFKLbW...
- husamia 5y agoCountry Votes US: California 258 Canada 129 Germany 119 United Kingdom 110 US: New York 104 US: Washington 100 US: Texas 56 US: Colorado 51 US: Massachusetts 45 US: Illinois 42 France 40 US: North Carolina 38 Sweden 34 Netherlands 34 US: Oregon 34 US: Pennsylvania 32 US: Virginia 30
- binarynate 5y agoRanking of the current results: https://nate.org/hacker-news-location-poll https://nate.org/hacker-news-location-poll
- y4mi 5y agoWhere is the option for "your basement"?
- onion2k 5y agoGet out of my basement!
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- rubabredwan 5y agohttps://wheredohnuserslive.vercel.app/ https://wheredohnuserslive.vercel.app/
- eloox 5y agoNice :) What library did you use for the graphics?
- rubabredwan 5y agohttps://www.react-simple-maps.io/ https://www.react-simple-maps.io/
- dvdkon 5y agoThanks! Bug report: "Czechia" on the map is showing 0 votes, since the poll item is "Czech Republic". Also you might want to account for "1 vote" meaning both no votes and actually one vote (not sure how, though, information is just lost here).
- rubabredwan 5y agoThanks for the catch. Czechia should show now.
- testplzignore 5y agoI'd be interested to see the results of this poll compared to the monthly "Who is hiring?" thread. Are the distributions the same? Is there a supply/demand mismatch?
- frays 5y agoHN is easily one of my favourite websites. I get to learn from interesting posts and smart comments from people all around the world, then bring this knowledge into my work and life. Thank you.
- pelagicAustral 5y agoFalkland Islands. Not listed innit...
- jc_yc_2022 5y agoMade a visualization here using Tableau Public: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/jconcepcion/viz/YCPoll30210378Results/PollRank https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/jconcepcion/viz/YCPol...
- noobermin 5y agoI'm going to keep it real, it's hard to believe people are from Micronesia, even if it's 1 or 2 per island given you only have 18 people from Ohio. Come to think of it, none of the options are less than 1 point...
- lenzm 5y agoEach option starts with 1 point like a new submission.
- IncRnd 5y agoFrom the cli (at least on a mac): curl "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30210378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30210378" | grep -e '<font color="#000000">' -e " points<" -e "point<" | grep -v -e "#x27" -e "id=binarynate" | sed "s/ //g" | sed -e 's/<[^>]*>//g' | sed '$!N;s/\n/ /' | sort > WhereInTheWorldIsCarmenSandiego.txt
- sbela 5y agoHungary
- mastazi 5y agoI think that places like APAC are going to be a little bit under represented because of the timing. As an example, it's currently 9am on a Saturday in Sydney Australia. In US it's still Friday and people are at work, e.g. it's currently 2pm on a Friday in the West Coast of the US
- patel011393 5y agoUS: Pennsylvania
- bayoucountry 5y agoLouisiana folks: want to do a meetup in nola or br?
- Beegle 5y agoWho are you and what do you want with this data? Google or Facebook?
- binarynate 5y agoJust a curious mind: https://nate.org/about https://nate.org/about
- Thorentis 5y agoI think this highlights just how bad the HN poll function is. Is it too hard to sort by votes and maybe add a thin line below each to show relative size?
- AviationAtom 5y agoWonder if the one vote for Georgia the country was actually meant for the US state of Georgia
- Panther34543 5y agoWho here is originally from the U.S. but migrated to another country since remote jobs became commonplace? I've got a great remote job for a U.S. company and about $60k available for a downpayment; I'd love to be able to buy a place abroad (and hopefully obtain residency/citizenship). Unfortunately, places like Italy or Spain seem to require foreign nationals to have much more initial cash and prevent mortgage loans for more than 50/60% of the purchase price. I can afford a decent mortgage, but I just don't have a lot of liquid cash at the moment. Has anyone here done anything like that?
- diogenesjunior 5y agoblinded from the glow
- kodah 5y agoI've emailed with a lot of folks on this website and it's far cry from Silicon Valley centric. I would love to hear from someone who complains about "centrism" as to why. This is a pretty new thing I've seen as far as a complaining trend. Across my childhood I was on IRC networks that were either based outside of the US or in gaming communities that were international. I never once sat around wondering about how "centric" any of the communities were, even though many of them completely diverged from how I knew life to be.
- xtracto 5y agoGreat to see several people from Mexico! BTW, the fact that only the US country has options separated by state reminds me of when I lived in Europe, and sometimes we got together with a bunch of international. Invariably the "where are you from" question would pop up, to which almost everyone would answer with their country... except Americans, who would answer with their state haha. Once, I asked someone where they were from and I think they answered some random US state, he then asked me the same, and I answered with the state where I am from in Mexico... he had no clue where that was hahaha.
- onionisafruit 5y agoAs an American I do this because I always get the follow up question of where in the US. It’s just more efficient this way.
- austinjp 5y agoIf you asked someone where they're from, would you expect them to say, for example, Almaty instead of Kazakhstan?
- lolinder 5y agoDid you miss the part where OP said that most people expect them to specify which state they're from? Whether you like it or not, it's usually insufficient for someone from the US to simply say that they're from the US. It's a big enough place with enough externally-visible cultural variation that people want to know.
- gus_massa 5y agoInside Argentina, if someone ask me where I'm from I', expected to specify the province where I'm from. (And in some cases, the part of the province, like "Santa Fe" and "Rosario".) My guess is that it happens in all countries. But if I talk with people that lives abroad, usually "Argentina" is enough. The US is not special in this.
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- Tistron 5y agoWith some US states weighing in at dozens of millions of people, and me having a Swedish father, an Icelandic mother and Danish residency, I would have voted for "Scandinavia". Currently at 75 points (Sweden + Denmark + Norway + Iceland), which puts us after New York and before Colorado :) Adding Finland for "The Nordics" does not change our placement.
- jsiaajdsdaa 5y agoLove how NY and California have roughly similar populations but NY is under-represented here. WA has much less population yet is just as present as NY here. Speaks volumes!
- jarrenae 5y agoVisualization (updates every few seconds): https://ae.studio/random/where-does-hacker-news-live https://ae.studio/random/where-does-hacker-news-live
- joshspankit 5y agoSuggestion: Group the US states in to a larger “US” bubble. All the others (unless I missed it, in which case Sorry!) are total for the country
- kk6mrp 5y agoNow that is awesome!
- LimitedInfo 5y agohey jarrenae, Thanks for this update. I've included a couple points below to improve on before our next meeting: - can i get a similar look to this but in pie chart format? Maybe just include top ten labels? - I would like to see a larger size of the visual on the page - the color scheme is okay but try experimenting with black font for the locations Best, LimitedInfo
- jarrenae 5y agohi LimitedInfo, Sorry for the delayed response, I was waiting on a response from our dev team, and Susan in accounting. I appreciate the feedback but I'm currently assigned to other tasks, so if you'd like revisions please contact Issac and submit a request for some of my hours. Also please stop leaving fish in the fridge. Best, jarrenae
- amrangaye 5y agoI’m sorry but I can’t help but ask: what is this? Is OP your worker and this is work comms? Just curious.
- LimitedInfo 5y agohaha no worries, it's a bit of satire on your typical work email. I'm a data analyst so emulating what I see a lot.
- tamaharbor 5y agoCommenters here are such nerds. That’s why I love his place.
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- ggm 5y ago4 Vatican City is probably people on wifi in the library/museum? I know a decade back our IPv6 measurement consistently picked up 1-2 people from a v4 /24 and associated v6 /32 which I think were the Vatican library. There's said to be a transient population down in the low thousands and a far smaller low hundred resident overnight. Wikipedia says pop. 829 but I think the census night may be a bit different. (If I was a college or sorority I'd ask everyone to book in on census night because it helps with funding models based on capitation. It's probably true in all nations not just micronations but the distortion would be higher for small populations)
- missedthecue 5y agoOr it could be people lying
- usr1106 5y agoProbably 2-3 people trying to be funny... (remember: it starts counting at 1 without any vote yet)
- Tenoke 5y agoI was curious if the UK or Germany will rank higher and am somewhat surprised that after you adjust for population (which is a small adjustment) they basically rank the same and are only outpeformed by Canada (by a fair amount) which surprises me somewhat.
- anamax 5y ago> I read a tweet that referred to HN as "Silicon Valley" CA is more than SV. (That said, while the Los Angeles basin has a lot more people, it and the San Francisco bay area are more alike than they are like central valley CA, let alone mountain or desert CA, even though many SF people like to think that they're different than LA.) Note that many of the "where is investment going" surveys count San Francisco and Silicon Valley separately. (That may be to keep the graph axis reasonable.)
- fakethenews2022 5y agoNext time, keep it in alphabetical order but randomize the starting letter?
- throwawayacc2 5y agoWho are the 4 people in Vatican City? Are you the Churches tech core?
- kyleblarson 5y agoI'd also be interested to see a poll that asks what the population is in the locality where the responder resides.
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- alserio 5y agoLooks like half the population of Vatican City voted on this poll.
- z16a 5y agoWhy isn't Canada broken out...
- rsendv 5y agoNorth Korea has more HN users than I'd expect ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- mikefallen 5y agoCanada
- gabrielsroka 5y agoTo see the sorted results: https://gabrielsroka.github.io/hnpoll.html?id=30210378 https://gabrielsroka.github.io/hnpoll.html?id=30210378 Source: https://github.com/gabrielsroka/gabrielsroka.github.io/blob/master/hnpoll.html https://github.com/gabrielsroka/gabrielsroka.github.io/blob/...
- atmb4u 5y agoWait until east wakes up (India and other South East Asian countries)
- Aeolun 5y agoWhy do people in the US always feel compelled to add their state?
- tempestn 5y agoIn the context of HN where (apparently) a little over half of the audience is in the US, the state is pretty relevant. (I say as a Canadian.)
- rabbits77 5y agoIn a van down by the river.
- vaonerra 5y ago
- andersco 5y agoUS: New York City
- KerryJones 5y agoA surprising a mount of people in Illinois, what city y'all in?
- tbrock 5y agoWow I just moved to CLT and would love to meet more people that are engineers in the area, where are you all?
- austinjp 5y agoYeah so I'm just going to say it: some perspectives expressed here about valid home identities are really disappointing. All the way from "it's not as big as my country so I'll decide if it gets to be considered a country", through "your local definition doesn't count", to "make your own poll then". Yeeeeesh. Conversation here is supposed to be stimulating. Instead, parts of this thread are narrow-minded, petty, and alienating. Frankly, it's depressing. /rant
- aqeelat 5y agoSaudi Arabia
- mahirsaid 5y agoUS: MICHIGAN
- fortran77 5y agoI spend 7 months/year in CA and 5 months/year in Israel.
- notsag-hn 5y agoUruguay! First?
- dang 5y agoI did a little REPL tweak to sort the options alphabetically. Sorry I didn't see the need for that earlier.
- baron816 5y agoI never thought about it before, but HN must be blocked in China, right? I wonder how it’s impacted their engineering culture to not have access to forums like these where people can freely share knowledge.
- namelosw 5y ago> HN must be blocked in China It was only blocked in recent years. As far as I can recall it's around 2019. They usually only block things that are influential enough. And most engineers do have VPN. I'm actually surprised there are so few votes from China since many people I know do check out HN frequently. My guess is they're mostly lurking and don't have enough karma. > I wonder how it’s impacted their engineering culture to not have access to forums like these where people can freely share knowledge. There are many engineering forums and communities - as long as they don't get political it's perfectly fine. IMO the engineering culture is very strong in China (not as strong as in the US, but far above the world average). But I'm yet to see something great and big like HN as many high-quality contents are limited in private WeChat groups. The bigger problem is not that people cannot express themselves freely, but rather communities tend to get deteriorated over time like Quora and Medium. Maybe a close approximation to HN would be V2EX [0] (Interesting it's also blocked in China. So in fact, many communities outside GFW still target the Chinese audience). The barrier for people to participate in English communities like HN is still the language. People use Stackoverflow daily because they could skim through the code. But the majority still prefer reading and writing Chinese. [0] https://v2ex.com/ https://v2ex.com/
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoVPNs are finicky: they come and go and while usually you can find one that will work, it’s a constant struggle with the GFW because the one you used last month is not working this month. I just relied on my connection at work (a direct line out of China) because everything else was too much trouble.
- namelosw 5y agoI agree. I was struggling with this many years ago. And I was concerned about the security and privacy of VPN providers. Eventually, I ended up spinning my own VPN with Algo [0] like four years ago and it worked really well for me for these years. I use VMs in Hong Kong for connection speed, and use VMs in California for country specific stuff (ADs and news for Hong Kong are super annoying XD). [0] https://github.com/trailofbits/algo https://github.com/trailofbits/algo
- tptacek 5y agoIllinois 81! In your FACE, Sweden!
- agucova 5y agoNow I really want to meet those other two Chileans.
- muzani 5y agoThe poll does prove that there's probably more people from Silicon Valley here than the rest of world.
- binarynate 5y agoCurrently 554 votes out of 4521 are for California. That does make California the largest single state / country, but there are over 7 times more people from other parts of the world.
- glimmung 5y agoUnited (!) Kingdom: Yorkshire
- nuker 5y agoISS
- divbzero 5y agoAre there really (as of now) 7 North Koreans among us? If so I’m curious how you discovered HN. I find it especially surprising because that’s more than the 6 South Koreans who have responded to this poll.
- timbit42 5y agoMore likely 7 comedians.
- divbzero 5y ago> Edit: Sorry about the randomized ordering (I forgot HN does that for polls). Thanks ahead of time for using cmd+f or the equivalent to find and vote for your state or country. Also, each US state is included as "US: {state name}". I also noticed the arbitrary ordering earlier but it now appears alphabetized. Thank you HN mods for implementing sort for this outlier of a use case.
- divbzero 5y agoTIL: Swaziland was officially renamed Eswatini [1] in 2018. The country has always been eSwatini (“land of the Swazis”) in the Swazi language, and now its English name matches. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eswatini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eswatini
- yaseer 5y agoIs HN easily accessible in China? Noticed how small the representation is in comparison to India and Japan and was curious if this is the local market's choice, or the great firewall in action.
- fmasood 5y agoI cannot access it without a VPN at the moment, and language is also a big factor.
- fedorhk 5y agoHong Kong & Macau are missed. Counting them as China would be quite a stretch.
- progre 5y agoPlease remain in your designated living space. A reeducation officer is being dispatched.
- fsnowdin 5y ago~vietnam~
- jimbogr77 5y agoIt would be great if we could see the voters of our country. I would like to contact thinking alike people from Greece :)
- herbst 5y agoHN crowd is usually mixed, better than Reddit or anything where the US clearly dominates. I can tell by reactions to some more critical answers, and how they change depending on the time of the day :)
- jaggs 5y agoWow, big surprises here so far. Africa and Middle East almost totally unrepresented with 0s everywhere? That's crazy for the size of population? And the Marshall Islands ranking higher than Wyoming, USA?
- johncla99 5y agoUS: Washington
- laurex 5y agoCanada broken up into West and East would be helpful.
- cdaringe 5y agoUS: Oregon
- ryzvonusef 5y ago+1 from Pakistan BTW, if you have the HN Enhancement Suite extension, you will not be able to see the poll, or the comment box.
- Ekami 5y agoFrench Polynesia, not in the list tho
- xtat 5y agoSplitting up California would help my understanding - at least socal/nocal
- ppipada 5y agoAre HN Poll points calculated directly as number of votes? Are there any karma thresholds? Is there some formulae involved?
- breakout 5y agoGreetings from Poland Warsaw city to be specific:)
- illwrks 5y agoI'd love to see another poll asking where people originate from to complement this one.
- 4m1rk 5y agoVisualization from your terminal (https://github.com/amirkarimi/hn-poll-visualizer https://github.com/amirkarimi/hn-poll-visualizer): $ ./main.py "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30210378" US: California [560] **************************************** Germany [263] ******************* Canada [253] ******************* United Kingdom [246] ****************** US: New York [214] **************** US: Washington [202] *************** US: Texas [124] ********* US: Massachusetts [101] ******** Australia [101] ******** Netherlands [ 99] ******** US: Colorado [ 96] ******* US: Illinois [ 85] ******* Sweden [ 85] ******* India [ 78] ****** France [ 74] ****** US: Oregon [ 69] ***** Poland [ 68] ***** US: North Carolina [ 61] ***** US: Pennsylvania [ 60] ***** US: New Jersey [ 58] ***** US: Virginia [ 54] **** US: Florida [ 54] **** Switzerland [ 54] **** New Zealand [ 46] **** Spain [ 44] **** US: Georgia [ 43] **** Denmark [ 43] **** US: Michigan [ 42] *** Finland [ 41] *** Brazil [ 39] *** Austria [ 39] *** Italy [ 37] *** Norway [ 36] *** US: Ohio [ 34] *** US: Minnesota [ 34] *** Israel [ 34] *** Ireland [ 34] *** Japan [ 33] *** US: Arizona [ 31] *** Czech Republic [ 31] *** US: Utah [ 30] *** US: Maryland [ 30] *** US: Wisconsin [ 28] ** Romania [ 27] ** Belgium [ 26] ** Russia [ 25] ** US: Tennessee [ 23] ** US: New Mexico [ 20] ** Hungary [ 20] ** Serbia [ 19] ** Portugal [ 19] ** Mexico [ 19] ** Argentina [ 19] ** Croatia [ 18] ** Ukraine [ 17] ** US: Missouri [ 17] ** US: Connecticut [ 17] ** US: Indiana [ 16] ** US: Idaho [ 16] ** Turkey [ 16] ** US: Kansas [ 14] * US: Iowa [ 14] * Bulgaria [ 14] * US: New Hampshire [ 13] * South Africa [ 13] * Singapore [ 12] * North Korea [ 12] * Lithuania [ 12] * US: Nevada [ 11] * US: Kentucky [ 11] * US: District of Columbia [ 11] * Slovenia [ 11] * Greece [ 11] * US: Vermont [ 10] * ...