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Magic Leap One
- Thinpad 9y agothis ones a sure piece of junk :) which will not appeal to 90% of population. Who will wear that device and roam around carrying a light pack and a controller. There is a long way to go and Apple will refine this piece!
- StavrosK 9y agoI'm happy to see the website stressing something I've thought VR would do well: Act as a display for my computer desktop. I would love to just take my laptop and these glasses with me and be able to have N screens all around me anywhere I want. Imagine working at a cafe with various large displays all around you showing all the windows you have open. If this is cheaper than my three displays (and the resolution isn't too terrible), it's already saving me money.
- bovermyer 9y agoThis would be great. Though, I don't think I'd use it in a café - I might be looking at a huge dump of data, but the person sitting behind where my "display" is might think I'm staring at them.
- Freak_NL 9y agoExpect a revival of the word 'glasshole' if that ever became a burgeoning trend.
- freehunter 9y agoEh. People got over others using laptops in public places, which used to be a big annoyance. People got over other using smartphones in public, which used to be a big annoyance (man the backlash against Blackberry was huge). People will get over AR/VR once it becomes widespread.
- oelmekki 9y agoThat's my intent as well: use MR to replace monitors, then progressively switch to monitor-less apps. There may be a limitation, though: resolution. If we are have 9 virtual monitors, each displaying content at 2500x1200 (random pick), performances may not follow. But then I guess, we only need to focus on one at a time. Maybe those additional monitors could work if we lower resolution of those not directly where our eyes are looking at, and just blur them for good rendering.
- Nihilartikel 9y agoTo say nothing of whether magic leap is real - when vr/ar technology catches up there's a trick to get around this. It should be possible to track gaze precisely and only render the high resolution 'fovea' at high detail. The rest can be very low res and nobody would know. This will probably be important in graphics and gaming first though, where they can focus all of the gigaflops on sampling illumination raycasts in the most sensitive area of vision. It's actually pretty wasteful to render an entire UHD monitor at full resolution when the eye can't even discern a word at one end of a sentence when the fovea is focused on the other.
- dingo_bat 9y agoWhat you're describing: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality
- JackC 9y agoI'm a skeptic. For a preview of this, try using a retina MacBook at full resolution with a pair of $10 jewelers glasses. Personally I found it super slow and frustrating to have to turn my head instead of my eyes to see different parts of the screen - it's nothing like using multiple physical monitors. And jewelers glasses are better than virtual screens will be - they have zero lag and don't suffer from the double-aliasing of projecting one pixel grid onto another pixel grid. I can imagine this working, but it would take way more resolution and field of view to simulate multiple monitors than anything we know how to build today.
- empath75 9y agoYou can do this in the oculus and its.... okay. The resolution is garbage, though.
- fmitchell0 9y agoi know i shouldn't be, but i'm very excited.
- Ahks 9y agoyou really shouldn't be
- eganist 9y agoGood lord they really needed a decent industrial design team on hand, though I guess no one's wearing this out in public, so good looks probably aren't as necessary. I'm just afraid of the image of people using this causing it to go the way of the Segway -- we all remember how Dean Kamen and team envisioned it revolutionizing intraurban transport, yeah? Anyway, I'm glad to see something came of Magic Leap.
- sloreti 9y agoSeriously. Looks like the cousin of an early 2000s Sony CD Walkman.
- bparsons 9y agoYeah this is some goofy, steampunk looking gear.
- vnchr 9y agoSince it's the Creator Edition, I'd imagine time to market and usefulness to developers and early adopters trumps aesthetics. Also, there's disclaimer text at the bottom of the second photo: "Product is continually advancing and may be different at time of shipment."
- scott_s 9y agoAgreed. It's similar to the initial versions of Oculus Rift that were sent to developers before the general release.
- Brakenshire 9y agoI think the worse they look, the better, that way they can be developed to be useful in private and professional spaces, without anyone being tempted to take them out in public.
- drcode 9y agoThe thing will need some serious tech in it, there's really no way to make it not look ugly. I think aesthetics are somewhat overrated: If a device is useful, people (including the "cool kids") will use it regardless.
- thisisit 9y agoI am sorry but the scrolling on website is a bit annoying. For one, it wouldn't move until the images loaded and then mouse is constantly confused between zooming and scrolling up and down.
- leecarraher 9y agoLet's just hope that the clunky scroll site is not indicative of their overall regard for usability.
- DennisAleynikov 9y agoWhoa magic leap finally hatched. Buddhist philosophy and an obsession with the cgi computers from iron man - I've been mentally imagining how ar labels and menus looked over my real life for years! This is a dream come true Can't wait to see this in person!
- syntaxing 9y agoWhoa! Hopefully they deliver after almost five (?) years of promises. I wonder if this has anything with the leak of the initial prototype (a huge backpack you have to wear). Maybe they were forced to release something substantial.
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- scandox 9y agoThis is going to sound super dumb and I haven't been following AR / VR at all...but I thought Magic Leap were creating AR technology that worked _without Goggles_? As in projected visible light that I could see with my naked eye? Am I mad?
- austincheney 9y agoYeah, I thought it was something like a holographic projection table.
- earlyriser 9y agoMy impression was that it was a device for entertainment in auditoriums/stadiums, maybe placed behind the chair's back, launching light rays to the person seated behind.
- nikanj 9y agoTheir promotion videos certainly made it seem like that.
- cryptoz 9y agoMore than 'seem', that is what their videos are. Those children screaming about that whale flipping around in their auditorium? They don't have any goggles on. Their promo videos specifically promise that you could have a crowd of 100 people without the goggles on watching the Magic Leap effects. They are liars.
- danielvf 9y agoYes, you are mad. :) Magic leap has always been about wearing something - the've just deliberately never shown any of their devices in their videos.
- scandox 9y agoGood to know :). I won't worry too much about objective reality either then.
- runesoerensen 9y agoAlso see this story for more https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-introducing-magic-leaps-mixed-reality-goggles-w514479 https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-intro...
- slazaro 9y agoIs there an actual difference between this "Mixed Reality" and AR, or are they just inventing a new term for marketing purposes?
- notyourday 9y agoThey really need to add "blockchain based" to the description.
- mlevental 9y agohttps://www.arcona.io/ https://www.arcona.io/
- CharlesDodgson 9y agowow this actually looks like a parody!
- toyg 9y agoAnd "AI powered", or at the very least "data-science driven".
- lallysingh 9y agoYes, but it's all rather academic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_reality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_reality "Augmented virtuality (AV), is a subcategory of mixed reality which refers to the merging of real world objects into virtual worlds.[15] As an intermediate case in the virtuality continuum, it refers to predominantly virtual spaces, where physical elements, e.g. physical objects or people, are dynamically integrated into, and can interact with, the virtual world in real time. This integration is achieved with the use of various techniques. Often streaming video from physical spaces (e.g., via webcam)[16] or using 3-dimensional digitalisation of physical objects.[17]"
- postit 9y agoNice solidworks render. What about showing the real product?
- consp 9y agoThat would mean it actually exists. And ideas count more than actual development these days so I don't expect anything in the coming years.
- tfha 9y agoI've been waiting for the MagicLeap ICO.
- t_fatus 9y agoI'll wait until MagicLeap Token futures exist if I were you
- i_am_nomad 9y agoYou can purchase them with Flooz and Beenz.
- ci5er 9y agoYou must be older than you look.
- moron4hire 9y agoAll of the imagery on the front page of https://www.oculus.com/rift https://www.oculus.com/rift is CG
- TeMPOraL 9y agoBut Oculus actually has those products on the market, and unlike Magic Leap, it's not universally recognized as vapourware.
- nikanj 9y agoSo, we can sign up now, but they still haven't shown the tech to anyone without an extremely heavy NDA? I'll wait for Anandtech or similar outfit to put out at least a tweet about the viability of the technology.
- slazaro 9y agoThey've been very secretive in the past in showing actual results, only releasing simulations and videos that look real but aren't (fooling people into thinking they actually had something), and that makes me doubt anything they say they'll release until they show actual specs and actual videos of people using it, opinions on their experience, etc. At least now they have release dates and supposedly that means they actually have something, so I'm looking forward to seeing what they have.
- brians 9y agoThis unveiling doesn’t commit to the shape of the product. It doesn’t describe technical details, like the processing power, number or spectrum of cameras, radios, anything. It doesn’t commit to a price range, like “under $1200”. What’s unveiled?
- notyourday 9y agoThey need more money. Magicleap looks like a typical dot com era borderline scam of the nineties: something is always right around the corner, if only there was more money...
- PaulHoule 9y agoHoloLens costs $3000-$5000. They'd have to get a huge price reduction relative to that for this to be anything other than a niche product.
- m1sta_ 9y agoPrice reduction or feature improvement. I want the later.
- knolan 9y agoAt least it’s something. But a few renders of dodgy looking goggles and some fake Weta demos don’t instill much confidence until we see hardware in our hands.
- jolesf 9y agoI can't not think about this Hyper-Reality video when AR advances are announced. https://vimeo.com/166807261 https://vimeo.com/166807261
- bogomipz 9y agoI'm still unsure if this a spoof. I wonder how long someone could endure that before experiencing apoplexy.
- foozed 9y agogreat video, thanks
- digi_owl 9y agoSo he made a new one i see, because my thoughts went to one he made 8 years ago. https://vimeo.com/8569187 https://vimeo.com/8569187
- scroot 9y agoHard to fathom why everyone is optimistic about this. Hasn't recent history overwhelmingly demonstrated that adding AR tech to out current culture will result in exactly the situation from the video?
- Kiro 9y agoThe video is exactly how I want the future to be. 100% wired in.
- sergiotapia 9y agoI too want to deliver pizzas in a black car while dodging skateboard Kouriers.
- QAPereo 9y agoMaybe releasing the nam-shub of Enki in SV would be wise.
- Lapsa 9y agoscrolled a bit and got bored - tired of non-sensical marketing bragging
- Gracana 9y agoYikes. https://i.imgur.com/Ys8IewX.png https://i.imgur.com/Ys8IewX.png
- madspindel 9y agoYour computah looks broken
- Gracana 9y agoIt probably is, but the screenshot is just standard IE 11.
- calcifer 9y agoWhat are you viewing it on? Looks fine for me with FF on Linux. https://i.imgur.com/MFb0tx9.png https://i.imgur.com/MFb0tx9.png
- Gracana 9y agoIE 11. :) My job involves lots of windows-only proprietary junk so my work machine is very windows-y. I wouldn't normally do this to myself.
- exikyut 9y agoWhat browser are you using?
- welly 9y agoAre you viewing that on Lynx or Mosaic or something?!
- perseusprime11 9y agoDoesn’t seem any different from Hololens. Can somebody fill me in?
- moron4hire 9y agoMaybe you're not very familiar with the Hololens. It looks very different to me. The "goggles" look seems to indicate the rendering will cover the full field of view. The computer pack seems to indicate they are either going for greater visual fidelity or longer battery life (or both). And the controller is more akin to the desktop VR systems than Hololens' janky hand gestures (though I would honestly prefer someone just solve hand gestures already). This is a lot more different from the Hololens than the Vive and Rift are from each other.
- Androider 9y ago"The viewing space is about the size of a VHS tape held in front of you with your arms half extended. It’s much larger than the HoloLens, but it’s still there. “I can say that our future gen hardware tech significantly expands the field of view,” Miller says. “So the field of view that you are looking at on these devices is the field of view this will ship with. From https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-introducing-magic-leaps-mixed-reality-goggles-w514479 https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-intro...
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- kashprime 9y agoIt seems to have a larger field of view. Hololens (I have one) is about the size of a credit card held out with your arm half extended. This one is the size of a VHS tape. Also, the unit appears to be lighter as processing is done by a pocket computer that comes with it. Hololens is completely self-contained and thus heavier and less comfortable. I wonder if they'll use the same Unity/C# dev tools.
- shenaor 9y agoMy south Floridian side really wants them to be successful, but my techie side despises their secrecy and "demos" aka photoshopped graphics and cgi videos.
- codelitt 9y agoI live here too. We unfortunately have built a reputation of our value only being skin deep and superficial – from our real estate to our transit to our restaurants and nightlife to our startup community. This reputation is not entirely without merit; we need to do better. Knowing all that – I want this to be amazing, but I am keeping my expectations in check. To me, this all seems too familiar. Lots of flash and shine, but I don't see anything concrete.
- fuzzfactor 9y agoDid you grow up in Ft. Lauderdale like I did? Most people there have always been from somewhere else, I didn't always fit in as well being born in Florida. from above: >>I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity >Because they think that gamers will pay. Unfortunately, I see that they got a wrong idea. It has a vibe of a semibotched Kickstarter project, except backers here are not private individuals, but gigacompanies. >A type of a gamer who spends 15k usd on a gaming rig to crush opponents in Quake 3 in ultracompetitive environment, will not care a bit about this toy. >The founder of the company comes from a socioeconomic strata whose people have that characteristic. A Boston "old money family (R)" born man may see that selling gaming stuff to quite a lot of relatively rich people dumping 15k on a gaming rig is a good business idea, proceeds to build a company built around that idea with all audicious bold claims being received with accolades from other people like him, but never actually bothers to figure out what things matter in a gaming gear. >If you have read his personal blog from naughties before he deleted it, you will get that his ways can be said to be well beyond "nebulous". He wrote stuff like "solving global problems" while maintaining that tone you usually see from people who flood the internet with something very insubstantial like "saving African children with Agile, innovation, and seven sigma framework..." >Ok, back to the botches kickstarter line. As happens often with such projects, original claims performance get scaled down, company barely manages to deliver a downrated product after missing the delivery deadlines multiple times, product works so so, and in the end it ends in your drawer for good. A year down the line the company simply shuts down the cloud service for the widget and you are left with an expensive paperweight. I expect magic leap to follow this route. then there's this: >Given what is known about the mechanisms of high end confidence tricks, what is different about the operation of Magic Leap that indicates that it is not a confidence trick Similar to the way that SV is decades ahead in software engineering, Hollywoood (Calif.) almost a full century ahead in moving picture entertainment, and Houston with its petro/chemicals, Ft. Lauderdale leads the pack in confidence leverage, selling to investors their very own dreams in the most "creative" ways like no place else. Lots of locations are desirable for different reasons and give rise to extreme leadership in regional specialties like these, where most outsiders are completely out of their element. Magic leap is already successful on its own terms without needing actual paying customers yet or even a shippable product, what's the hurry to put icing on the cake, even if it becomes possible? I wouldn't expect them to be as competitive at selling to customers compared to the pitches they have already delivered and won. Vapor ware has existed much longer and more traditionally in hardwares than in softwares to begin with. The most well-honed So. Fla. ventures always have a very realistic possibility of truly making money, the persuasive confidence being focused on distorting the probablity rather than on complete fraud. After all, fraud would be illegal, even in So. Fla. where you traditionally did not ask people what they do for a living, that would be rude since there's so little opportunity to earn a legitimate income compared to parts north. You're supposed to have money before you go there. When I was a youngster Ft. Lauderdale was a much smaller yachting community, but more so than ever it looks like "hook, line, and sinker" will always be some of the most prominent pastimes enjoyed by those who specialize in this type of activity. All the yachtsmen I knew were only looking for the biggest fish, not interested in the small fry. That was for commercially viable fishermen who didn't even own a pleasure craft. People probably don't have much memory from the last time, of course Port St. Lucie isn't exactly South Florida proper. Not as big a venture but could be considered a POC in an area not as thoroughly overfished as Broward: https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2014/07/23/florida-lawsuit-calls-digital-domain-de-facto.html https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2014/07/23/flo... With Facebook and all, everybody knows SV is where the biggest fish are these days. You go where the money is, or even better bring them to you. Anyway, I am completely "confident" I could get a better return for the investors in Theranos than for those lured in to Magic Leap based on what each of these groups has to work with at the present time, if given the opportunity to steward each of these companies' present assets from this point forward. Surely I have seen what looks like some of the huge cash put into Magic Leap already trickle down into photonic advances that will make money for somebody someday, and from the looks of Theranos there have got to be some outstanding people in there somewhere with amazing breakthroughs that I would have an unfair advantage exploiting. Only problem is, not so sure it would be a positive return for either one, the better bet may just be starting from scratch or getting in on the ground floor of a much smaller outfit in either case.
- JumpCrisscross 9y agoMagic Leap has a track record of outright lying [1]. Everything in this "unveiling" looks like CGI. There is no store and nothing is shipping until "2018". [1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/8/13894000/magic-leap-ar-microsoft-hololens-way-behind https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/8/13894000/magic-leap-ar-mi...
- moron4hire 9y ago2018 is less than two weeks away, though.
- jacknews 9y agoOr 12 months...
- rosser 9y ago"In 2018", not "1/1/18".
- moron4hire 9y agoPoint being, it's not actually that far away.
- rosser 9y agoAre you trolling?
- moron4hire 9y agoNo, are you? Maybe you are an Angular developer and don't understand that a year is not actually a lot of time.
- busterarm 9y agoA company I work with did a product demo presentation (for a completely unrelated product to Magic Leap) and showed a ton of extremely ambitious features in the demo and zero development work had even been started on that project. In fact, they haven't even hired the development team yet. The end of their demo showed a "Launching in 2018" message. Marketing's job is to make promises. Whether the company keeps them is another matter.
- bluedino 9y agoIn all seriousness, porn would be an amazing application for this technology.
- kowdermeister 9y agoToo bad for many downvotes, this will be a legit use case for many. Porn drives lots of tech innovation.
- mattbierner 9y agoThe medium brings new opportunities sure, but also its own challenges. For example, capturing convincing 3D representations of live people is really difficult. Even just motion capture in specially designed studios isn’t easy. Besides 2D overlays, I suspect that most AR applications will use avatars instead of trying to digitize real people. An unrealistic or cartoonish avatar would also avoid any uncanny valleyness and quite likely would even be part of the appeal
- doublerebel 9y agoMicrosoft has 2 Mixed Reality studios now that do 3D capture, one in SF and the other in Seattle, which they rent out for VR game creation and other purposes. NVidia also has a 3D video capture tech called Virtual Eye. Rumor has it modern compression brings the video within 20% of 2D video size. While it's not yet feasible for an AR headset to do such dense capture, the tech is not far off.
- bogomipz 9y agoI have to scroll down to the 5th and 6th frames to learn what this product is for?
- wahlis 9y agoWhere do the cables go?
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- Ajedi32 9y agoThis is actually really exciting. Still not a lot of details on specs or pricing (which is what will ultimately determine whether this succeeds or not), but from what we've seen so far I think this is the first consumer-focused AR product which has the potential to gain a real substantial level of adoption. The Oculus Rift DK1 of AR, as it were. Though with recent advances in AR and VR tech, the Magic Leap doesn't seem as magical as it did when they first started teasing it several years back. Looking at the trends over the last year or so, I think it was only a matter of time before _someone_ came out with a product like this. (In fact, what they announced here today almost seems like a cross between a Microsoft Hololens and an Oculus Santa Cruz headset.) The real innovation Magic Leap seems to be bringing to the table is their "lightfield" display; though it's hard for me to judge how big of a deal that will be without trying it for myself.
- Tepix 9y agoIt's a "Creators edition", that doesn't sound cosumer focused at all.
- Ajedi32 9y ago> Abovitz' view that this first release of hardware is workable and good, could explain why they’re calling it the Magic Leap One: Creator Edition. To Magic Leap, creators are developers, brands, agencies, but also early adopter consumers. “The consumers who bought the first Mac, or the first PCs,” he says. “Everyone who would have bought the first iPod. It’s that kind of group. But it’s definitely not just a development kit. If you’re a consumer-creator you are going to be happy.” Source: https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-introducing-magic-leaps-mixed-reality-goggles-w514479 https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-intro...
- buro9 9y agoI'm pretty optimistic about Magic Leap, and lightfield technology in general. Where I see it really shining is as a successor to staged plays, and cinema. The thought of allowing viewers to really deeply immerse, comfortably for long periods of time, to control the point of focus, to move around. Kurosawa would shoot movies by building whole sets with all walls intact that worked from every angle, and having the actors perform the scene over and over like a contiguous play, and then this would eventually be shot from 3 fixed points in a single take, offering a consistent and seamless edited final version with perfect continuity... imagine this with an array of lightfield cameras capturing the set and actors, and using CGI to gap fill angles where necessary... and then allowing people to experience cinema from within the set. Or, imagine animated cinema where the animations are real-time inserted into a set that you move around and interact with. The magical real being tangibly real. Beyond games, beyond the AR/VR as we've experienced, I think that there's a really rich content vein that could be tapped within pure entertainment consumption, and that of the technologies lightfield tech may give the best control and experience to consumers.
- deckar01 9y agoEver since Lytro made a light field camera I have been waiting for a light field display. It seems odd that it is being developed commercially in a compact AR device rather than a TV sized display.
- harpastum 9y agoThe current generation of VR headsets serve as pretty solid light field displays. Current VR can’t show differences in focus yet, but having a large field of view and vivid colors makes for a pretty awesome experience.
- ctdonath 9y agoThey're not light field displays. Current VR is fixed 2D monitors with focal-length adjusters (so a 5cm display 3cm from your eye looks like it's a 5m display 3m away). Light field presents photons in a way your eye can dynamically adjust focus & position within.
- masswerk 9y agoI still wonder, how responsive mixed reality UIs and/or content presentation may be implemented in a general way. E.g., your app requires a user selection of one out of 5 tools, which are to be displayed, ready to pick, in a line-up on a flat surface at approximately table height. But there is no such surface, or the surface is already cluttered with other (voluminous) objects. – How do you proceed? Maybe, you're going for a fallback solution hovering in plain air. But then, there's the same issue with the "play field" or free of obstacles floor space or table real estate, obscure floor plans, etc. I'm finding this problem with nearly all of the content advertised, in demo videos, etc. How is this to be solved in real life?
- pmarreck 9y agoThe attractiveness of their model does nothing to hide the dorkiness of those glasses.
- ramijames 9y agoOh shit. Guys! Guys! The future is here!
- maxst 9y ago> Our lightfield photonics generate digital light at different depths and blend seamlessly with natural light ooooook... How many cameras? Can I make a 3D photo with those cameras? That would be nice.
- lvoudour 9y agoSince the 1st iteration of the design is apparently ready, why can't they just show a small demo? It's supposed to be shipping in 2018. They could easily have hired a team of top notch creators to showcase some of the capabilities of the device live -even if the device is still not 100% ready- instead of this silly Manhattan project secrecy. I hope they deliver as promised, but something smells fishy. It's a pity, because unlike VR I think AR has huge potential both for consumer and industrial applications.
- lolsal 9y agoI am not affiliated with Magic Leap. I do know for a fact though that they have many independent teams working to showcase this technology.
- marricks 9y agoThat doesn't really explain why they're not showcasing it yet.
- jonknee 9y agoTo showcase it they'd need actual working hardware instead of 3D renders...
- applecrazy 9y agoI mean, if the theory that they’ve faked everything so far is true, then it could be possible for them to fake a demo.
- jonknee 9y agoI don't doubt they're working on it, I bet it's just a buggy disappointing pile.
- VectorLock 9y agoI'd wager they have something which is just enough to get people with deep pockets to give them a pile of cash on the premise of "imagine what it could be with only another billion dollars!" but is utterly underwhelming for a mass-market consumer product.
- DiabloD3 9y agoSo, I don't know how this sort of thing works. When do investors start suing for fraud?
- indescions_2017 9y agoLooks like good design choices to me. Separating the power and compute from goggles reduces weight on the headset. Its ideally suited to be integrated into a special ops soldier's helmet for use on the battlefield. Or a surgical visor for a telemedicine operating theatre. It's very much Day One for this. HoloLens has been a stealth hit for Microsoft this year. Its the kit ($3K) I'm most excited to try out. Its quite possible all design prototyping and additive manufacturing software interfaces will have a head-mounted 3D input component soon. And that's just the enterprise market. For retail consumers, check out Fragments to see the possibilities of turning turning home or public spaces into immersive gaming environments: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/hololens/apps/fragments https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/hololens/apps/fragments
- okket 9y agoSo what does this thing do?
- Freak_NL 9y agoI wonder if these (in contrast with the glasses you get for a 3D film) are usable in combination with normal glasses?
- clement75009 9y agoLooks like they're not. From the Rolling Stone article: "the company will also take prescription details to build into the lenses for those who typically wear glasses." That's not great at all if it means you can't share your headset.
- pmontra 9y agoIt's probably because of the need to go to market quickly (a simple design helps) but I wonder if there is at least one founder of those companies that needs prescription glasses. Apparently all of them have perfect eyesight or wear contact lenses.
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- AriaMinaei 9y agoI was always wondering why HoloLens is insisting on packing the batteries/processor on the headset. I'm very pleased to see Magic Leap going the other way. There is just more room for volume and weight in a pocket than on a user's head. Yes, the wire would be somewhat annoying, but I'm optimistic wireless tech will get there soon enough.
- evo_9 9y agoSo is it still 1500 bucks? And I guess they don't remember Trip Hawkins overpriced bid at entertainment dominance, the 3DO? Cause this thing has a the whiff of 3DO all over it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_3DO_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_3DO_Company
- rocky1138 9y agoSay what you will, but Trip shipped a product. This thing isn't even in the same league yet.
- AndrewKemendo 9y agoI loved my 3DO, even though I was the only one with it I ever saw.
- rasz 9y ago3DO actually shipped, and had one very good game.
- PostOnce 9y agowhich game? An exclusive? Star Control II was on other platforms, but was great on 3DO, http://sc2.sourceforge.net/ http://sc2.sourceforge.net/ is free now and a deep game. Like 2D Mass Effect I thought. (Star Control II: The Ur-Quan Masters) I also enjoyed Return Fire and PoliceNauts which are both available on other platforms also. Wing Commander III maybe?
- rasz 9y agoroad and track Need for Speed, had other ports, but 3do was arguably the best version.
- candiodari 9y ago> "Displays On Demand" Whilst I am excited about the prospect of doing this myself, in the hands of the advertising web this is effectively "advertise inside your competitors' store(s)"
- zenkat 9y agoWebsite repeatedly crashes on iOS, both Chrome and Safari. Hope the QA on their world-changing AR is better the website.
- muxator 9y agoModerators: the posted link contains a tracking snippet (...?utm_source=reveal&utm_medium=TW&utm_campaign=WTDO) Would it be feasible to remove it?
- marban 9y agoMost Steampunkish goggles ever.
- scroot 9y agoWe do not have a culture that is anywhere close to prepared for this kind of technology. It should be patently clear from the past 20 years that this is the case. For example, here's a realistic vision of how it plays out: https://vimeo.com/166807261 https://vimeo.com/166807261
- untog 9y agoLooks great. Get back to me when it's real.
- asdjasldkjkljd 9y agoThey spent a lot of time building this fancy teaser site, but all anyone really wants is a 1 minute video of it doing anything.
- muxator 9y agoOpened the link on a mobile phone. Got a full screen image with the following text: "welcome to day one". OK, let's scroll a bit. This is the text that follows: "We're adding another dimension to computing. Where digital respects the physical." What's this site about? What's the product? I understand that designing a website is tricky, but - to me - this site seems an example of something aesthetically pleasing, but very cryptic from a content point of view.
- ben20gmt7 9y agoI agree whole heartedly. You’re doing a very bad job with your copy if I don’t know what you’re selling within the first 3 seconds of seeing your copy.
- qubex 9y agoJust as bad on my iPad. The in-app browser hung and froze for a good twenty seconds. After it unfroze all the images were in a fuzzy low resolution and it took me an embarrassingly long amount of time (a couple of minutes, at least) to figure out what the heck it was all about.
- npgatech 9y agoThis kind of thing drives me crazy! But, for a small project that’s not obvious to anyone - this makes sense. Look at Apple’s full iPhone landing page. It’d be silly to explain at the top “iPhone is a wireless digital communication device.” It’s obvious that dude is wearing glasses that look like AR/VR headset. You ain’t gotta spell it out for people.
- ben20gmt7 9y agoIt would be silly because everyone knows what an iPhone is. Not everyone knows what Magic Leap is. When I first saw it I couldn’t figure out what it was. Bad website.
- npgatech 9y agoYou seriously can’t tell it’s a AR/VR headset by looking at a guy wearing glasses with two wires coming out of it? You may not know what MagicLeap - the company - is, but you certainly don’t need to be told it’s a AR/VR headset. I agree with obscure random crap that shows up on HN and takes forever to figure out what it is. This isn’t one of those cases. It’s utterly obvious.
- miheermunjal 9y agoI just find it hard to see how this is different / competes against the Hololens. They already have a couple years of market presence and after all the marketing/campaigns by Magic Leap, the product is the same (with the same qualms like FOV). I will say that creator studio piece looks great, given Weta and other studio parternships.
- mlevental 9y agotheir key tech is not the wearable or slam it's the lightfield rendering
- homarp 9y agoNice for them to prepare for Apple and their glasses.
- starchild_3001 9y agoLol :) Probably true. Showing the how not to do it, before Apple finally figures it out.
- kalal 9y agoI like the separation of glasses from compute power. The design itself seems cool, a little bit inspired by Ghost in the Shell. But imagine putting this on average dude, the coolness is gone ;)
- seanmoore 9y agoSo why does AR even exist? Is it too expensive to just have an outward facing camera (or 2 or 5) and re-render everything on the eye screens in real-time?
- mlevental 9y agoI'm so shocked at this question that I don't know how to answer it other than yes it is very expensive to render in high resolution high fov low latency
- seanmoore 9y agoSo AR is essentially a transitional technology until we have better computers? e: so I realize AR might be around for a while in things other than Goggles (like phones where resources are limited), but for fully goggled in people I assume VR > AR in nearly every way.
- empath75 9y agoWhy re-render the world when it's already there?
- seanmoore 9y agoBecause you can't render true black and rendering the world gives the developer more control over what the user sees. I have no doubt that AR will power many "low end" gadgets like google-glass or snapchat's glasses, but for going full gargoyle mode, I imagine the ideal is a fully computer rendered landscape, even if it is mostly true to what you would see in the real world anyway (since it offers so much more power).
- JepZ 9y agoBtw. with my mobile Chrome I couldn't see much more than a large gradient on the first screen (before scrolling down) and the mobile view in my normal chrome looks much more impressive (similar to the desktop version) than the page I saw on my phone (via wifi). To me I looks like my phone triggered some bug while loading the page.
- spalt 9y agoi don't want something beaming light into my eye at close range. just doesn't seem appealing to me. also, how is this different than castAR?
- russdill 9y agoYou are aware that the power or intensity of photons does not diminish over range, correct? Things that are closer are appear brighter because they cover a greater field of view. You could keep something at the same luminosity but make it larger and it's the same effect as bringing it closer. Also, you see precisely because photons are beamed into your eyes.
- joshstrange 9y agoThe first headset to give me virtual monitors that I can use day-to-day in lieu of my physical monitors will have my money in a heartbeat. I'd love to be able to carry a headset to/from work and have essentially the same multi-display experience at home/coffee shop/work/etc. I don't care if it's VR/AR.
- simias 9y agoThe latest oculus software release lets you have a "virtual desktop", pin windows to your VR games etc... It's pretty brilliant. I've been playing some Elite Dangerous with a video pinned in my cockpit during the long trips, it's very immersive. Obviously the resolution is still not good enough to use for serious work though but who knows, maybe in a couple of iterations... Here's a random video of a similar setup I found on Youtube to give you an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL1BGgRAUPs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL1BGgRAUPs
- nradov 9y agoNeither VR nor AR will provide effective alternatives to physical monitors for 8+ hours a day of software development or other knowledge work. VR blocks your view so you have to keep removing the headset to talk to a colleague or find your coffee cup. AR just overlays on the real world background making it really unpleasant to read or edit code or documents. I expect most of us will still be using 2-D physical monitors for most work in 20 years. VR and AR use will increase but they'll be limited to particular use cases.
- jacquesm 9y agoAR can also selectively block out the background to give you a virtual monitor. The advantage is that it can go transparent where required so that you can find that coffeecup or talk to your colleague without taking off the headset.
- xanderstrike 9y agoBut have you ever tried drinking from a mug while wearing a VR/AR headset?
- Steeeve 9y agoA retread of a google glass demo is a long way off from what they were marketing two years ago.
- oliviergg 9y agoDid you notice that the only visible book is 'Snow Crash' From Stephenson ? Some hidden message ?
- salmonfamine 9y agoI believe that Stephenson is currently employed by Magic Leap, weirdly enough.
- oliviergg 9y agoDidn't know. But you're right ! cf https://www.nealstephenson.com/magic-leap.html https://www.nealstephenson.com/magic-leap.html
- the_rosentotter 9y agoMakes sense. One of the ways well-known authors make money is by selling bogus endorsements. Basically just giving someone the right to quote them that they like their product. I doubt Stephenson's "employment" with Magic Leap goes much deeper than that.
- sagivo 9y agoSnapchat Spectacles failed, yet they nailed one thing that Magic Leap didn't - design.
- maxpert 9y agoExciting! Can't wait to try it! From design stand point looks more promising than HoloLens.
- cat199 9y ago> Magic Leap One is built for creators who want to change how we experience the world. nice that it's built for creators, but ... if it's only built for creators who will actually use whatever they created?
- chasing 9y agoThe old demo videos from a year or two ago showed that the Magic Leap could not do opaque black. Black = transparent on their clear screens. If that's still the case, then every single example image on their site is a misrepresentation. They all show black and indicate the Magic Leap can do opacity. I call bullshit until I see that they've solved that problem.
- bhouston 9y agoJust put a backing LCD in the line of sight so it can darken. And project on top of that. I think it is possible to solve.
- chasing 9y agoWell, Magic Leap have given no indication that they have solved that problem.
- drcode 9y agoDoesn't work- horribly out of focus.
- russdill 9y agoNope, sorry. The backing LCD will be out of focus. The whole AR thing is a lot of technology that sounds simple, but ends up being really really hard in practice.
- mkeblx 9y agoMichael Abrash has a good overview of some AR challenges here, also discusses why that doesn't work: http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/why-you-wont-see-hard-ar-anytime-soon/ http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/why-you-wont-see-hard-...
- simon-am 9y agoI thought they had solved this. "Such may be used to cancel light from the planar waveguides with respect to light from the background or real world, in some respects similar to noise canceling headphones." from https://gpuofthebrain.com/blog/2016/7/22/how-magic-leap-will-work https://gpuofthebrain.com/blog/2016/7/22/how-magic-leap-will...
- ganners 9y agoNice easter-egg when you shake your mouse over the first room at the top!
- pmontra 9y agoTurn volume off before trying that in an office :-)
- oliwarner 9y agoThey should spend less time registering meaningless trademarks, and more time just telling people what the hell it is they're selling. This is an augmented reality device, yet it doesn't say that anywhere on the page.
- michaelbuckbee 9y agoTL;DR - it's cool. Lightfields are potentially a transformative tech (and this makes MagicLeap really different than other AR companies). We'll still have to wait until we get actual hardware to see how well it works. I follow this space fairly closely, so here is some context for this. The first thing to keep in mind about AR is that the "target" for all of these devices is really 5 to 10 years out when the assumption is that an AR goggles/device will replace smartphones. This is why Google + everyone else are cool with dumping a billion+ dollars into MagicLeap, why FB bought Oculus (Yes, Oculus is currently a VR company, but Michael Abrash and others have publicly stated that is only because it's a more tractable problem than AR), etc. without an immediate payback / shipping device. How many trillions is owning the tech that replaces smartphones worth? And there's a decent chance that MagicLeap will do this as they're taking a very different approach to the display technology than anyone else. Competitors like HoloLens, Meta, and about a dozen different smaller companies all have some version of a LCD display reflecting off an angled visor. Meta - https://www.metavision.com/ https://www.metavision.com/ - the design is like you took a baseball cap, glued a smartphone screen under the brim pointing down and then attached a plexiglass visor to reflect the images up at you. HoloLens - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/hololens https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/hololens - you can see similar things here with all their layers of visors. This reflective LCD approach is well understood and in relative terms "cheap" (aka you can buy good LCD screens at volume b/c of the existing smartphone market), but the result is necessarily a very washed out image, it doesn't look real or solid. What MagicLeap is doing display wise is something very different. Rony's first company (sold for $1.2B) used fiber optics for seeing what was happening inside of a person while they were getting surgery. Imagine a light + fiber in your heart and the fiber is "scanning" back and forth to get a picture of what the valves of your heart look like. Now _flip_ that - so instead you have fiber optics projecting light into your eye and the resulting image is indistinguishable from reality b/c it's just more light. The presumption and rumors all along have been that this lightfield tech is real and amazing enough to open the wallets of some of the smartest people on the planet - but initially required something like the arm+lens setup that you use at the optometrist and a massive gaming PC to make it work. What MagicLeap has been doing with all this time and money has been trying to shrink this system down. There have been leaked reports of "backpack" setups that were more or less a battery and a PC motherboard zip tied to a person. This announcement at least draws a line in the sand with regards to shipping a portable lightfield product and it may turn out to really be something special.
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- gt_ 9y agoLooking for resolution and FOV specs, not seeing anything.
- olivermarks 9y agoThey may be working on an Enron trading room demo.... More seriously I'm still hoping it will be amazing...
- givinguflac 9y agoSay it with me: vaporware! I’d love to be proven wrong, but there is absolutely no way they’ll ship a day before December 31, 2018. And I’ll be shocked if even that happens. They’ve never shown a public demo because the private hardware demo is very likely built with insanely more expensive kit than they could ever sell to a normal person.
- hitekker 9y agoIs it weird that the first thing we see in a new product unveiling isn't the product? I'm having trouble thinking of other, decent reveals that would choose this marketing angle.
- robotresearcher 9y agoHow about the famous Apple Macintosh 1984 promo?
- chasing 9y agoThe Super Bowl ad ran two days before the Macintosh was released for sale. I think that's a little different.
- robotresearcher 9y agoThat's right: Apple had the product ready for sale, and they still didn't have the product as the first thing you saw. You just get a glimpse at the end.
- deft 9y agoI said they would have to be changing the world to be getting all this investor support. This does not change the world. Not even close.
- doublerebel 9y agoGesture recognition is glossed over in the Rolling Stone article, and Magic Leap is also using a 6dof hand controller. Hololens and Meta also only support basic gestures, since as Leap Motion showed significant power draw is required to run high speed depth cameras. The eye tracking feature will be a game-changer though, if they really have it working. Disappointed to see that the advertised game with a team of 55 is robots shooting at you through space portals. Hololens has already shipped two (RoboRaid, Holo Raid).
- Impossible 9y agoYes, the input features alone make Magic Leap a more interesting device to develop for than Hololens, even if the field of view is similar.
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- IronWolve 9y agoI am really looking forward to AR. I thought microsoft mixed reality was both AR/VR, then found out MR is just a marketing term. The MR devices do not have AR capability. So Magic Leap would be the first commercial AR product? Thats kinda neat. 8K VR will be out in 2018 but also the first AR.
- phyller 9y agoI don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I don't care if they are VR instead of AR. Should be high enough resolution to be able to use busy Excel spreadsheets and see enough details on a page to do web development 2) Some sort of glove where I could move my fingers to type. It doesn't need to represent an actual keyboard. I could learn whatever new gestures are required for each character. Those two innovations would mean freedom for me. You could effectively work anywhere in any position, laying in a hammock, on a crowded train, at night in bed when inspiration hits without waking your significant other. It would have to be AR to use while running or working out :) If these can be made with enough quality to enable equal productivity to a laptop the creators will have an addressable market of about 3 billion people.
- adammenges 9y agoThat's a really good point. I've had friends in the past show my their VR demo with multi screens, and it's been awesome. Of course, resolution is the barrier to it being usable. There're other interesting areas for productivity improvements too, like better interfaces for human computer interaction
- tylerlindell 9y agoThere are lots of companies working on AR/VR for productivity. Microsoft Hololens, All of the Windows Mixed Reality headsets, Meta, DAQRI (not so much for your description of productivity. eg word processing), and ODG. If you want a headset that has the best resolution, you should check out the Pimax (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pimax8kvr/pimax-the-worlds-first-8k-vr-headset https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pimax8kvr/pimax-the-wor...). There are mixed reviews on the headset itself, but they have very high resolution (Pimax 8K VR) that's 4K per eye.
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- russdill 9y agoTwo interesting things I noticed. One is that the demos he experienced were not using the "goggles" pictured. You'll note that in the chronology, he sees the demos, and then later: "My first close look at the full Magic Leap hardware comes in a secluded space upstairs that resembles a fashion showroom." So the demos and any tests of field of view were done with surrogate hardware. It could have even been a modified hololens. Second, they seem to be backing away from lightfield. I'm guessing they are switching to sending a single plane with pre-rendered depth of field based on Abovitz super long, super incoherent rambling monologue. "Suddenly, if the theory was right, technology didn’t need to capture the entirety of the light field and recreate it, it just needed to grab the right bits of that light field and feed it to the visual cortex through the eye." And of course later: In theory, a light field should allow you to look past a created image to the reality behind it and have that closer image lose some focus. The demonstrations I went through didn't really present an opportunity to see if the goggles could do that effectively. So I asked if the technology supported multiple focal planes. "Magic Leap's Lightwear utilizes our proprietary Digital Lightfield technology, which is our digital version of an analog lightfield signal,
- achow 9y agoIs MagicLeap Lightfield tech same as that of Red's $1200 holographic smartphone display (announced few months back)? CEO Jim Jannard has revealed that RED is creating the screen in partnership with a company called Leia Inc. A spin-off from Hewlett-Packard labs, it calls itself "the leading provider of light field holographic display solutions for mobile," and the key words "light field" gives us a pretty good idea as to how it works. Light field displays use multiple layers of LCDs with a "directional backlight," letting you see two different views of the same object with each eye, producing a 3D effect. https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/08/red-leia-holographic-smartphone-display/ https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/08/red-leia-holographic-sma...
- ZenoArrow 9y agoThey haven't unveiled jack shit. Just another bunch of 3D renders. Unveiling your product should mean a little more than some sketches of what you'd like to build.
- JKCalhoun 9y agoFrom the title, I somehow thought I was going to get a link to this (Leap Frog, Magic Touch): https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81x3li7Wp%2BL._SL1500_.jpg https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81x3li7Wp%2...
- gallerdude 9y agoThe "real" and digital worlds will be merged in ways unimaginable. The breakdown of the physicality of the world has begun (and I'm really excited).
- kirillzubovsky 9y agoIn my opinion, the new Magic Leap seems to do exactly what Microsoft Hololens could do two years ago. The only advantage they could have is in the UI, which MS 100% failed at, and in content availability which was really poor for MS as well. This thing could be huge, if the first people who try it on find an abundance of interactive experiences, so much that they rave about it, and make everyone else want one. Best yet, if this all happens in public spaces. Again, personal experience with MS lens is the basis for this, but having played with it, I am not overly optimistic here. This would be interesting.
- cma 9y agoI think they will have some ability to have variable focus, and it sounds like the field of view is slightly bigger, but not by enough yet.
- alkonaut 9y agoIf it’s a true lightfield with full focus from close to infinity then the difference from regular ar/vr to this is as great as from a flat display to at/vr. But the number of people that have actually tested it seems small...
- jkempe11 9y agoIt's really weird that their careers page has no listings.
- pro_zac 9y agoIt has a ton of listings! Maybe they were updating it earlier. https://www.magicleap.com/careers https://www.magicleap.com/careers
- aorav 9y agoThe entire presentation, and the look of the glasses reminds me of the quite dystopian short Movie 'More': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCeeTfsm8bk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCeeTfsm8bk
- mitsubishi77 9y agoIt appears online music publication Pitchfork has been given a preview/demo as well. Somewhat coincidentally (or not) at the same day Icelandic music-greats Sigur Ros were there to check out a new iteration of the AR-app they have been developing together with Magic Leap for the past 4 years. https://pitchfork.com/features/article/is-secretive-virtual-reality-startup-magic-leap-dreaming-up-the-future-of-music/?mbid=homepage-more-latest-and-video https://pitchfork.com/features/article/is-secretive-virtual-... Pretty interesting read.
- Grollicus 9y agoThis is a nonsense name, some useless design effects and the first sentence I read is "We're adding another dimension to computing". Which is an insult to everyone working in computing to this day because it claims everything we've done is a null set. Can someone please tldr this without marketing bullshit?
- suyash 9y agoFrom those cables, Looks like it will be tethered to a computer. For that reason I'll be out.
- phamilton 9y ago> Our lightfield photonics generate digital light is it just me, or is "digital light" an absolute nonsense term?
- whoisjuan 9y agoUnless they are saying that the light is generated through a digital micromirror device: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_micromirror_device https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_micromirror_device
- daveheq 9y agoI scrolled through the site and am still not quite sure I'm understanding what this is about or how it feasibly works... I guess that's what I get with modern hip web design marketing BS based on "feelings".
- danellis 9y agoNot even out yet, and every know-it-all is shitting all over it. Typical HN.
- patientplatypus 9y agoSo...how's this different than the Microsoft HoloLens? Seems to be a huge let down considering the hype machine. Also, the form factor makes me want to vomit. Look there are 2 possible market segments you could go for that might buy this thing - the staid corporate type that is potentially looking for a toy that they can convince their SO is actually for work. In that case it should look like a pair of chunky raybans or horn rim glasses. The other segment is the hip crowd that wants to have something flashy and fashion forward. Just google "cute <insert preferred gender here> wearing ski goggles". People love those things. Instead what they made is something you put on your face that makes you look like an asshole. No one likes looking like an asshole. The cage that houses the cameras and the viewing screen is made of plastic. Any idiot with a 3d printer can make this in their garage. The important bits are all cabled to a hip harddrive anyway (also, really no wireless?). You have to ask yourself, if they can't do the easy things, why would we expect them to do the hard things (ie make this thing actually work)?
- anotheryou 9y agoA true light field projection would be nice. If you look at the background in a 3D movie it's blurry, with a light field it would come in to focus. This is probably also what makes the projection bulky and why there are optical fibers running up (if it was anything else you could have used a single one). If this delivers what it promises, I wouldn't even mind wearing a light backpack for it. And they are probably at this stage: https://images.contentful.com/bl73eiperqoo/2309lfO8h64WWYECOGkqiU/c6d6e55d1f27bdb78deda20dd226decf/Smaller_XR_Cat_2x.png https://images.contentful.com/bl73eiperqoo/2309lfO8h64WWYECO... so sure to make it to the form factor, but not pretty yet :)
- Ajedi32 9y ago> And they are probably at this stage No, that's where they were [almost three years ago][1]. They [now][2] refer to that early prototype as "The Cheesehead". [1]: https://img.wennermedia.com/620-width/magic-leap-mixed-reality-concept-glasses-835a461a-47a0-4d07-acee-0f57f5ce3a53.jpg https://img.wennermedia.com/620-width/magic-leap-mixed-reali... [2]: https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-introducing-magic-leaps-mixed-reality-goggles-w514479 https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-intro...
- jbirer 9y agointeresting
- supergirl 9y agonot sure if this page is aimed at regular people, but by reading it I don't know what this device is. I would guess some kind of AR. what I can read is that it's for creators and it will change the world.
- bredren 9y agoCurious how this sync's with Tim Cook's claim that the tech for good AR glasses 'doesn't exist' yet https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/11/16458944/apple-ar-glasses-tech-doesnt-exist-says-tim-cook https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/11/16458944/apple-ar-glasse...
- dfee 9y agoWhat would the ownership situation look like ina company like this? It’s raised nearly a couple billion, but has not delivered a single unit. What is realistically the ownership of the founding team at this point, and how would they go about raising all this capital and still maintaining some semblance of ownership and control?
- ranman 9y agoWould be cool to see this with Sumerian.
- olegkikin 9y agoEvery single lightfield device hides the specs till the launch date. And then it turns out that even if the resolution of the underlying display/camera is 10-20 megapixels, you have to divide it by 9 or 16 to get the actual resolution, which inevitably ends up being very blocky.
- xchaotic 9y agomeh
- vbuwivbiu 9y agoUntil this tech is as "convenient" as ordinary spectacles it will remain niche
- drawnwren 9y agoIt looks like they're lagging far behind the industry with the input device. Vive and Oculus are very focused on finger tracking / improving the motion controller experience. I'm curious how far behind the rest of the device is.
- ClassyJacket 9y agoThey could literally just slap a LeapMotion on it and be one-up on Oculus and Vive for the types of interactions that would be useful in AR. I've used the LeapMotion in VR and it's amazing. The VR headset controllers work well for their purpose, gaming - low latency, high reliability, high freedom of movement (can put it behind you etc.), and having physical buttons. But the LeapMotion tracks your fingers and feels really natural - without holding anything or placing trackers.
- donatj 9y agoWhat I want to know, more than anything, is where this image is used in the page? https://www.magicleap.com/_next/images/5099815a87b8b930e98463a421da04c2.png https://www.magicleap.com/_next/images/5099815a87b8b930e9846... I was inspecting the network traffic of the page and found this image…
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- superkuh 9y agoI immediately closed the page after it became apparent that it was one of those vertical scroll, static background, JS-required monstrosities. Luckily for me you found direct links to the interesting content. Thanks.
- mshenfield 9y agohttps://www.magicleap.com/stories https://www.magicleap.com/stories
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- colordrops 9y agoClick the "stories" link at the top.
- iamleppert 9y agoThe naysayers here are funny. There's a fundamental basis for the technology thats rooted in physics and a mathematical model describing how to attain perfect bragg compliance in lightfield displays that has been well documented. But I didn't come here to argue about whether such a thing could exist in the world or not. Let's turn instead to more practical matters. The reason they needed a lot of money is because no one on earth manufactures displays with the specs required to manipulate light in such a way. This isn't taking some already existing LCOS micro-displays and shoving them into an enclosure with fish-eye lenses. Oculus doesn't make their own displays and didn't spend the last 10 years perfecting them; that tech already existed because it came from the projector industry as a direct result of trying to make smaller projectors. What these guys are trying to do is basically as hard or harder than setting up a state of the art semiconductor company, that just so happens to be making a chip with special optical properties at the same time. Manufacturing stuff takes boat loads of money, let alone stuff that is that small. How long and how much money did it take to go from CRT->LCD is the correct frame of reference. They basically have to engineer and design the factory in tandem with developing the product/prototype. Not an easy feat, or cheap. They could partner with one of the existing fab companies but its not clear that would be any more efficient because most of those companies are setup in such a way that is highly customized based on whatever fab and process tech the company specializes in or adopted, and most that deal with precision optical stuff (displays) are based on ancient and rudimentary liquid crystal and polarizer tech that is optimized for smartphones or TVs -- nowhere near what's required here. It's useful to know that even Apple doesn't make or design their own displays (although they do heavily influence the technology), but they do design custom processors and such. I know its hard for the average reader here to visualize that someone was given a billion dollars to make something, without ever having made such a thing before and not yet releasing a product. And it probably makes people here mad, when they are struggling to raise a modest amount of money for their own startup. However, generally people who have billions to invest on high risk super high tech ideas aren't as stupid as people here would have you believe.
- taytus 9y ago>However, generally people who have billions to invest on high risk super high tech ideas aren't as stupid as people here would have you believe. Counterpoint: Theranos. Never assume investors are smarter than us mere mortals.
- tinus_hn 9y agoWhat's with the tags in the URL? Is this an ad?
- grzm 9y agoIt was likely a blind copy-paste by the submitter, or submitted using the HN bookmarklet. You can contact the mods via the Contact link in the footer and ask them to update the link.
- keypusher 9y agoNothing on that page makes me want to buy one.
- KaoruAoiShiho 9y agoSo this is the primary innovation here: >Digital Lightfield Our lightfield photonics generate digital light at different depths and blend seamlessly with natural light to produce lifelike digital objects that coexist in the real world. This advanced technology allows our brain to naturally process digital objects the same way we do real-world objects, making it comfortable to use for long periods of time. Can someone explain in detail how this works and is better / different than a display? Also if this will kill the entire OLED business.
- davidw 9y agoHow'd they manage to get a Porg as a logo?
- dxhdr 9y ago"Calling all designers, developers and creatives." Call me when you've got a user base.
- whatever_dude 9y ago> The photos are not renderings, and the only retouching that was done was to edit out some sensitive IP. From an update to Ars Technica's article [1], via a Magic Leap spokesperson. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/12/magic-leap-finally-announces-a-headset-but-its-vague-rendered-in-photoshop https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/12/magic-leap-finally-an...
- ilaksh 9y agoSo it has a computer system based on Linux? Tough for me because my VR project uses several Windows APIs.
- coolspot 9y agoEvery advanced tech is using *nix.
- zmix 9y agoKids growing up with this will have a totally different view onto the world than their parents! ;-)
- meri_dian 9y agoThis thing I'd gonna be the AR Hardware version of Duke Nukem.
- pvelagal 9y agoI am really excited with this announcement ! Hope to get my hands on one of these and experience it. With future updates, i hope the glasses will look less bulky.
- rsbartram 9y agoInteresting tech. First reviews we have about Magic Leap One is that it has the same draw backs as Microsoft's Hololens. They both lack real world field of view and are limited by the design. We covered the Hololens use at the LA Auto Show which is now in place at the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles. https://latechnews.org/mixed-reality-hololens-experience/ https://latechnews.org/mixed-reality-hololens-experience/
- erric 9y agoWell funded and by companies like Google. Hope this keeps going well for them!
- fishmeat 9y agoAnyone else experiencing some crazy lay with the site?
- RachelF 9y agoThe Register has probably the best analysis on this: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/20/magic_leap/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/20/magic_leap/
- stuntkite 9y agoI believe in their light field tech. I think there are a bunch of ways easier light fields that do good enough can be achieved at a price point here and now, but they are big dreamers and the leader with all that cash. All that considered though, WHY IS THAT HEADSET MOCKUP SO UGLY? Forgive the caps but the industrial design on this thing; I'm not talking about the form factor or the fixed sizing, I'm talking about the bevels, profile, and texture. It looks like a knockoff ergo keyboard from 2001. Go Scandinavian minimal cyberprep. Like Frank Lloyd Wright designed a living room for Daft Punk. Failing that, go full cyberpunk and make this thing true to the prototype it is. Let me feel like it's my DNI to my Ono Sendai. I know it's just a rendering, but they should find with some of them dollars an industrial designer with some teeth and an opinion. This is the most exciting thing ever if it works as advertised. If they are limiting because of constraints, them making it cooler to wear is even more important. They've been a hype machine; that TED talk for their launch was ridiculous. Design by committee Steampunk goggles that look like a couple 2002 MS laser mice want to breed on my face is boring and stupid. Light me up Magic Leap.
- baybal2 9y agoTheir website is very slow
- hyperpallium 9y agoWait, weren't they discredited for fraudulent demos about a year back?
- b1daly 9y agoI have a feeling that using a UI that lacks haptic feedback will be exhausting to use over extended periods of time. The idea of waving my arms around in the air for ten hours does not fill me with anticipatory glee!
- Walf 9y agoWhy do they keep implying that they can project dark?
- starchild_3001 9y agoYeah, right. Those are called "welding glasses" :) Sorry, I could not stop it. Hope the technology is amazing, and people will overlook how it appears.
- Friedduck 9y agoHow is this an improvement over VR headsets already on the market?