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GitHub Copilot is moving to usage-based billing
- fridder 5mo agoaaaand another github outage today. FFS
- ihsw 5mo ago[dead]
- _pdp_ 5mo agoThere is noticeable trend across all agentic coding platforms that this situation is no longer sustainable. With this kind of pricing (sonnet 4.6 has 9x multiplier, previously 1x) it begs the question why use Copilot to begin with. You could easily just buy the tokens directly and have a lot more choice as well.
- bsdz 5mo agoDoesn't GitHub get volume discounting they can pass on to their Copilot customers?
- ihsw 5mo ago[dead]
- infecto 5mo agoLooking at their pricing it does not look the case.
- minimaxir 5mo agoEconomics of scale don't work when scale still isn't enough and capacity is still limited. GitHub has the full power of Azure with their hosted models but it's not being passed to consumers.
- vdfs 5mo agoEconomics of scale don't scale
- _pdp_ 5mo agoIt seems to me more expensive but I might be reading it wrong.
- sottol 5mo agoOne reason I used it was that I wasn't locked into a single provider and switching them was as easy as changing a drop-down. Small feature? Sonnet or GPT5.4/mini? Large changes? Opus. And why not see how good Raptor Mini does this one refactor? It also helped build an intuition of what wach model could do and which parts it was weaker at because you could try them almost side by side, especially if one model's output wasn't great. That said, these were all side projects so nothing truly consequential. Otoh, you might leave some extra perf on the table but I found the models worked quite with the Copilot harness.
- Waterluvian 5mo agoYeah, this is a very useful abstraction layer. The entire concept of separating the model creator from the model runner is good for competition and is customer friendly. Which means they likely hate the concept and want to kill it. Gosh, imagine getting to do that with your TV/Streaming subscription. Getting to pay one fee to access some set number of hours per month from any of the providers.
- Incipient 5mo agoThe problem is I can't afford the tokens! Even on my $10/mo plan, running either 100 opus, or 300 sonnet agent runs would cost hundreds of dollars - well above my budget!
- my002 5mo agoThe era of subsidised inference is truly ending. The new model multipliers (https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing/models-and-pricing#model-multipliers-for-annual-copilot-pro-and-copilot-pro-subscribers https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing...) seem like a huge leap, though. From 1x to 6x for new-ish GPT and Sonnet models. 27x for Opus... Seems like folks would be better off with OpenRouter instead.
- ItsClo688 5mo ago27x for Opus is genuinely shocking. at that point you're not paying for convenience anymore, you're just paying a GitHub tax. OpenRouter or direct API makes way more sense unless you're really glued to the IDE integration.
- thrdbndndn 5mo agoI keep seeing people mention OpenRouter. Does it effectively bypass regional restrictions for you, so you can use something like the Claude API from unsupported regions such as Hong Kong, or does it still enforce the official providers' geo-restrictions?
- rvnx 5mo agoOpenRouter is great for budget control, but as they are indirect APIs, your experience with cached tokens may vary, eventually costing much more than in direct depending on the providers. You can pay with crypto though, which seems to be convenient for people under sanctions or with limited access, or if you are in low-tax jurisdiction (e.g. HK)
- jauntywundrkind 5mo agoCaching is advertised per model+provider. That said I think few people using openrouter are actually being selective about providers. It took half a day to get my opencode setup, was not friendly. A lot of manually cross referencing model and providers. I was actually mainly optimizing for relatively fast providers. It all is super fragile and I'm sure half out of date; I have no idea if these picks are still fast, no promises they are still the same price (pretty terrifying honestly). I'm mostly on coding plans so it doesn't super affect me. But man is it a bother to maintain.
- Ilaurens 5mo ago"Your plan pricing is unchanged: Copilot Pro remains $10/month and Pro+ remains $39/month, and each includes $10 and $39 in monthly AI Credits, respectively." If there's no discount on credits (in terms of tokens per dollar) over other providers, I'm going to switch to a PAYG provider. If there's a month where there's little to no coding I can pocket the 10$. What incentive do they give to stay with this plan?
- freedomben 5mo agoThis was my first thought too. "Oh cool, I should be seeing lower prices" as I don't use Co-pilot that often anymore. But no, that's not the case. It rather served to remind me that I should probably just cancel.
- stetrain 5mo agoThey could add rollover balances and be back to cell phone plans in the early 2000s.
- kalleboo 5mo agoOnly if we also get unlimited nights & weekends.
- cush 5mo agoAre you thinking something like rollover plans?
- Someone1234 5mo agoYep. Or if you're a business with multiple seats, these plans may be more inefficient than raw API usage billing. Since if anyone at your organization fails to utilize their full $19/39 allotment each month, that's wasting money, whereas with API credits it is 100% utilized. I don't think they've thought through the implications of this. Everyone should cancel and go usage-based billing with caps.
- DominikPeters 5mo ago
- Ronsenshi 5mo agoJust got an email with this announcement. I have Copilot Pro that I use occasionally, but not enough to tell how the switch to per use would affect my usage. Based on description Pro plan users will get $10 in monthly AI Credits, but that seems rather low compared to what you could use same plan until now.
- nine_k 5mo ago> rather low compared to what you could use same plan until now. That's exactly where the subsidy is being removed.
- metahost 5mo agoHere goes my Copilot Pro subscription then, reluctantly heading over to Codex CLI since the CC base plan is downright unusable.
- twistedcheeslet 5mo agoEnd of an era for predictable costs as a small business. We will refer to these times as ‘the good old days’.
- wombatpm 5mo agoI expect the prices to rise to almost cover the cost savings from layoffs at large companies.
- 999900000999 5mo agoWell. Just got an email from GitHub saying they'll be raising prices for Co Pilot. "To keep up with the way you use Copilot, we're transitioning to usage-based billing, and we want to give you enough time to prepare." Man, it was fun. Having my tokens subsidized by Microsoft. If the prices go up to much I guess I'll try Deepseek again.
- cedws 5mo agoSeems like a strong signal the money burning party is coming to a close. Nearly all AI companies have tightened their belts in the past month. Anthropic removed Claude Code from the Pro plan, Z.AI increased their prices, GitHub removed some Claude models from Copilot, now this. Also, Opus 4.7 seems like a model more intended to save Anthropic money than push the bar.
- linhns 5mo agoI believe Anthropic added CC back to the pro plan.
- jLaForest 5mo agothe point is that they tipped their hand about where they want to go in the future. They are just A B testing to see how much it pissed off their customers
- Computer0 5mo agoNow they just removed Opus.
- jeroenhd 5mo agoI signed up over the weekend and still have access to Opus. I believe the AB test they were doing only removed Opus from a small percentage of users. Don't think I'll be renewing though. The usage limits are low enough that I don't think this is worth it. One complex prompt while Americans are awake will wipe out your alloted tokens it seems.
- redsaber 5mo agosome of Github's open source maintainers have lost their free github copilot pro, guess this is really the next step for them to save cost in their infrastructure.
- everfrustrated 5mo agoCurrent multipliers vs from June Opus 4.6 3x -> 27x Opus 4.7 3x -> 27x GPT 5.4 1x -> 6x EDIT: only applies to annual plans
- alecsm 5mo agoGPT 5.4mini is even worse, from 0.33x to 6x which is ~18 times more expensive now.
- minimaxir 5mo agoGPT-5.4 and GPT-5.4 mini are now the same price, which, why?
- t-sauer 5mo agoThose multipliers will only apply if you are currently on an annual subscription (and only until your renewal comes up or you cancel). So I assume they simply want to make it as unattractive as possible to get most people to cancel it and move to the token based system.
- deaux 5mo agoThat's not an answer. It's specifically a discrepancy between 5.4 and 5.4-mini. If you look at all other models/generations you see that the cheaper model indeed has a lower multiplier. It's very strange that only 5.4 doesn't have this.
- rs38 5mo agoboth 5.4 were best bang (-mini even more as I found it usually same well performing!!!) for the buck before. Now they face cost reality it seems.
- motoboi 5mo agoNot apples for apples. Before: - Opus 4.6 each premium request is 3 premium requests After: - Opus 4.6 each dollar spent is 27 dollars in copilot AI Credits. Given that you'll receive 19 dollars of AI Credits in Business plan, that means you can probably say 1 "hi" to opus per month.
- netule 5mo agoI pay for Copilot annually, and mostly for its code auto completion features. I use CC if I want to do anything agentic. Not sure if I want to pay more for occasionally-good-intellisense at this point.
- KronisLV 5mo agoSame! I wonder what other alternatives there might be for autocomplete.
- Seblor571 5mo agoCode completions and Next Edit Suggestions remain free with Copilot Pro.
- WorldMaker 5mo agoBut you can no longer amortize annually, which makes it even more a question of "is this worth it this month?" each month. Especially for personal accounts.
- WorldMaker 5mo agoI'm similarly thinking about sticking with the auto-downgrade back to Copilot Free when the annual sub ends and then just yelling about it any months I hit the 2000 completion cap. I wouldn't mind a plan between Free and Pro that is just "all I care about is code completion and next edit suggestions".
- alecsm 5mo agoSo I guess from now on GH Copilot is only worth it if you want a quality autocomplete in VSCode.
- Waterluvian 5mo agoThat was the first thing I turned off in VSCode. Autocomplete for my TypeScript projects was great. And the "AI" suggestions/completions were really getting in the way of me still being the "driver."
- thinkingtoilet 5mo agoPeople need to wake up and stop being surprised by these billing increases. I see it on every update of every model. This was all subsidized by VC and company money. Now they need a return and the prices will keep going up. Be glad that you took advantage of that up until now, but can we stop the pearl clutching when we all know the amount of money being dumped into AI and the lackluster returns?
- minimaxir 5mo agoIt's less surprise, but more confusing given the game theory as their competitors are not doing the same thing and the multiplier changes alone will likely churn current users.
- thinkingtoilet 5mo agoAI companies are increasing prices across the board.
- p1necone 5mo agoTheir competitors aren't doing the same thing because none of their competitors had the same broken 'pay per request' pricing model.
- sefrost 5mo agoI was curious why a company would still use the VS Code + Copilot sidebar method for coding, rather than something like Claude Code. Turns out there’s a GitHub Copilot CLI! I thought I was pretty familiar with available options, but no one in my circles ever mentions this product. It doesn’t seem to have much mindshare. Has anyone used it? What’s your experience? https://github.com/features/copilot/cli https://github.com/features/copilot/cli
- saratogacx 5mo agoI've used it quite a bit. There are a lot of AI terminal coding products and this is another one. It works well, handles sub-agents without issue and does a reasonable job operating in the Copilot ecosystem. It handles mid-task questions and such we well.
- sefrost 5mo agoI’ve tried OpenCode, Claude Code and Codex CLI. But was just shocked that Microsoft has a version I hadn’t even heard of. Personally I got CLI fatigue and am happy with Conductor for now, but things are moving fast in this space.
- everfrustrated 5mo agoThe naming is bad. VS Code Copilot Chat. But its a really good UI for agentic coding. Not sure why more people don't use it. I've tried the others and keep coming back to Copilot chat. It's a really good tool. Which is why the rugpull on pricing is so concerning.
- bsdz 5mo agoI've used it. It's on par with OpenCode imho.
- KronisLV 5mo ago> I was curious why a company would still use the VS Code + Copilot sidebar method for coding, rather than something like Claude Code. I use Claude Code, but I kept my Copilot subscription around mostly for really cheap usage of other models when I need to try a different one (which appears to be ending, in a sense) and also the autocomplete in Visual Studio Code which was really great across a bunch of files, I could make changes in one file and then just tab through some others. I wonder what other good autocomplete is out there.
- silverwind 5mo agoTLDR: It's a 6-9x price increase
- timxtokyo 5mo agoyes...need to move to api usage, that a huge jump after getting everyone onboard
- 4ndrewl 5mo ago"Plan prices aren’t changing.” Isn't this like saying "The Porsche you rented at $200/mo is now a Honda. But the price hasn't changed!"
- guzfip 5mo ago[dead]
- deeviant 5mo agoIt's more like saying, "and you may now only use the Porsche for 5 minutes out of every day."
- dayjaby 5mo agoFull brake on the autobahn if you hit your 5min limit
- Waterluvian 5mo ago"Your monthly fee isn't changing but it now only covers about 3 days of driving."
- canada_dry 5mo agoThis may be a more accurate analogy... "The Porsche you rented at $200/mo now only allows you a maximum of 100km of travel. You will be automatically charged extra when you go over that."
- adgjlsfhk1 5mo agomore like 100m
- parliament32 5mo agoA whopping 100km per month for the low price of $199.99!* * with a quota of 138 meters per hour, overage charges may apply
- croes 5mo ago
- herrj 5mo agocursor, windsurf, and CC are all already on usage-based models so I guess what really matters is whether Copilot's GitHub integration depth justifies the price per token vs the alternatives
- grey-area 5mo agoHow is this legal when people paid for a yearly plan in advance?
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- mgrund 5mo agoMy thought exactly! First the usage limits + model limitations and now fundamental change to the billing. Hope some consumer watchdogs are looking into this!
- boromisp 5mo agoI doubt you can force them to provide the service with the original terms, but you might be able to ask for a (partial) refund. If not today, after a week of verbal abuse they will receive for this online.
- yladiz 5mo agoIt depends where you’re located. In the EU they have to honor the contract you entered, but presumably there is a clause that they can prematurely terminate the contract without cause and give you all of your money back (from the start of the contract).
- bityard 5mo agoIn order to most-to-least charitable, any of: 1. Github could choose to grandfather in those plans and make no changes until those plans expire. 2. Github could offer, or the user could request, a pro-rated refund along with cancellation of the account. 3. Tough luck, those users agreed that Github could unilaterally change the ToS at any time.
- javawizard 5mo ago> 1. Github could choose to grandfather in those plans and make no changes until those plans expire. They explicitly stated that they won't be doing that: the multipliers go into effect in June for everyone, annual plan or not.
- ReptileMan 5mo agoI really don't understand why OpenAI, Anthropic and Microsoft are in competition to see which one of the three will elevate deepseek the most.
- dist-epoch 5mo agoDeepSeek will do the same thing. Z/Mimo already raised their prices multiple times since the promotional prices at the start of the year.
- slopinthebag 5mo agoDeepSeek is actually more expensive than expected ATM due to compute shortage, but they said it would come down in price.
- dist-epoch 5mo agoThe compute shortage will be bigger 3 months from now.
- ReptileMan 5mo agoDepends how China scales its semiconductor industry.
- phainopepla2 5mo agoDeepSeek (and other open weight models) can be served by anyone with the means to do it. All of the big open weight models are available on OpenRouter via commodity providers.
- simonw 5mo agoWindsurf made a similar change in March: https://docs.windsurf.com/windsurf/accounts/quota https://docs.windsurf.com/windsurf/accounts/quota > In March 2026, Windsurf replaced the credit-based system with a quota-based usage system. Instead of buying and spending credits, your plan now includes a daily and weekly usage allowance that refreshes automatically. With hindsight, per-request pricing makes no sense at all if an agent can burn a widely varying amount of tokens satisfying that request. These pricing plans were designed before coding agents changed the dynamics of token usage.
- Incipient 5mo agoI wouldn't call it hindsight - I don't think anyone, at any stage, thought running a 10 minute+ sonnet session for 1 premium credit was ever profitable. We all knew it was a loss leader to get people using it.
- simonw 5mo agoIt would have been profitable if that premium credit cost more than a negotiated discounted rate with Anthropic. We have no way of knowing if there were negotiated rates though!
- cyanydeez 5mo agoGuys, you're discussing a house of cards to begin with: No matter how you're paying for the $CURRENTSOTA you're not garunteed that next month what you pay for will be the same. So, lets do some honest evaluations: 1. The model itself is a non-deterministic engine of work with an unknown value; it's real value is just magic. 2. The business model itself is non-deterministic engine of profit with a known value; whatever the VCs have put into it, _must_ be piulled out. If Ed Zitron's numbers are correct, circa 2030, it's several trillion dollars. So do some matrix multiplication of non-determinism vs determinism, and realize that the value proposition for _you_ is only going to decrease because #1 can never outpace #2, ensuring enshittification captures a smaller and smaller whale. We know this. This has been the last 2 decades of money extraction from software. It was ok when it was some 12 year old's parents CC. But now it's you, or your business, that's going to either ben squeeze for value or squeeze out of the market. And everyones squabbling about the color of the cost. ok
- semiquaver 5mo agoWhose idea was this “premium request” model anyway? If you’re going to invent a new metric used to bill, why not align it with what, even at the time, was a clear underlying cost structure that GitHub actively chose to ignore for a more confusing system.
- Waterluvian 5mo agoI'm not usually a Conspiracy Guy, and the answer is probably `incompetence * tech_debt`. But I think that having sufficient layers of abstraction to any billing model is a useful way to hide the real cost of things. It's why it's done everywhere.
- lioeters 5mo agoIn business, if a strategy is making more money, the most direct and usually correct answer is malice, not incompetence.
- DominikPeters 5mo agoThis approach started with the “Ask a question about your code” feature, which is more comparable to single chat message with relatively predictable token usage. Now it’s an agent who might work for 30 minutes, read the whole codebase, and write 1000 lines
- 0xffff2 5mo ago30 minutes lol. I've gotten Opus to work for a full 8 hour day on one prompt.
- kingstnap 5mo agoIt made more sense in the ye old days where a request was basically just a chat message in a sidebar and it could also edit code. Then saying someone can use 300 chat messages a month kinda makes sense. Turns out when a request can spawn tens of subagents and use millions of tokens over many turns of toolcalls then suddenly github copilot has a massive financial problem on their hands.
- dude250711 5mo agoWhich one is it: 1. Current models in fact do not solve coding. 2. You can simply wait for a ~year for open-source to catch up and run it locally.
- gpm 5mo agoRe 1: Current models don't solve coding. They are useful tool for it though. Re 2: Open weight models seem to be less than a year behind proprietary ones, so sure, if you're willing to spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on a super computer that you probably don't fully utilize instead of renting time on someone else's super computer for a lot less.
- bachmeier 5mo agoI'm happy I invested in local solutions and cutting context to the bone for API providers. Claims about AI being able to fully replace programmers never took into account the long-run equilibrium price of inference.
- dist-epoch 5mo agoAlready there are companies paying more for coding tokens than for programmer salaries.
- xienze 5mo agoDoesn't necessarily mean that's a good idea.
- bachmeier 5mo agoThat's my point. They made those decisions without any consideration for the long run, which would have required them to project the cost of AI services years into the future. Obviously management didn't do that and had no way to do that. It made current earnings look good, though, which was enough for them when they made the decision.
- dist-epoch 5mo agoNot sure what your point is, but they are firing lower performing programmers so that the top programmers have more tokens to spend.
- stabbles 5mo agoI was surprised to find that this sentence > Plan prices aren’t changing did not continue with an em-dash followed by something profound that is changing. Plan prices aren't changing -- the value you get out of it is.
- miroljub 5mo agoThis subsidized inference is just a marketing ploy to increase prices and profit. If common people can have a DIY setup with an open source model cheaper than those behemoths with a scale advantage, it's clear that we have been played. Time to either self host a Chinese open source model or to just pay the cheap Chinese providers.
- gibsonsmog 5mo agoYeah, local is clearly the future. Even beyond the cheap Chinese models you can install the apfel[1] stuff if you're on a mac and want a quick available onboard cli option. And I'm sure people will adapt the Flash-MoE[2] integration to be even better soon as well. [1] https://apfel.franzai.com/ https://apfel.franzai.com/ [2] https://github.com/danveloper/flash-moe https://github.com/danveloper/flash-moe
- darqis 5mo ago... There IS NO SUBSIDIZED INTERFERENCE jfc.
- speedgoose 5mo agoSo about a month left before cancelling. Got it.
- postalcoder 5mo agoGithub had, by far, the most easily game-able agent usage policy. People would force the agent to run a script before the end of turns that consisted entirely of `input("prompt: ")` so that you could essentially talk endlessly to an agent for the price of a turn. I see this less about the future of this industry and more about fighting the costs incurred by bad actors.
- Sohcahtoa82 5mo agoCharging by prompt was always wild to me. I once asked it to do a comprehensive security review of our code. It churned for nearly an hour (and then produced 90% false positives). Insane that that usage was charged the same amount as me just saying "Hello".
- 0xffff2 5mo agoI never played any games like that, but simply giving the agent a clear exit criteria and instructions to check the exit criteria every time it thinks it's done on a complex task was often enough to keep it chugging away for most of a day on a single prompt in my experience. Per-prompt pricing just isn't sustainable period, even if everyone is acting in good faith.
- to11mtm 5mo ago... Once again the Business accounts get all sorts of goodwill [0] and users get the shaft. [0] - Last weeks changes limited my personal Copilot Pro account but not my Work one
- ValentineC 5mo agoWhat "goodwill"? It's just more "AI credits" for what will be a shit product in June.
- gyoridavid 5mo agoAfter seeing the ridicolous multiplier increase I've added a calendar event to cancel my subscription mid-May. (I'm a copilot subscriber since 2022)
- herpdyderp 5mo agoAlready cancelled here! One less thing tied to GitHub.
- nickjj 5mo agoI don't use Copilot or any paid AI but all of this usage-based billing reminds me of cellphones back when you paid per individual text message. Usage paying for AI is 1000x crazier because you're not even getting a guarantee in the thing you pay for in the end. You have to keep feeding it prompts and hope it gives you the solution you want. You may end up with no expected result yet you are paying for it. At least with texting, you got what you paid for. I wonder how long it'll be before all AI costs are flat unlimited monthly fees or even free across the board, without compromise.
- Sohcahtoa82 5mo agoYeah, this was my frustration with Suno and Sora. You can burn a lot of credits (not to mention time) generating things that aren't what you wanted. I don't mind a PAYG model for a simple chat interface. But when it comes to actually producing things, you burn through TONS of tokens creating the wrong output.
- DaiPlusPlus 5mo ago> I wonder how long it'll be before all AI costs are flat unlimited monthly fees or even free across the board, without compromise. That's already the case if you can self-host an LLM; you don't even need a mythical H200: gamer-grade GeForce cards can get you a long way there (if this page is to be believed: https://www.runpod.io/gpu-compare/rtx-5090-vs-h200 https://www.runpod.io/gpu-compare/rtx-5090-vs-h200 ) ...after RAM prices return to normalcy, of course - and then wait another 2 or 3 generations of GPU development for a 96GB HBM card to hit the streets - and also assuming SotA or cloud-only LLMs don't experience lifestyle-inflation, but I assume they must, because OpenAI/Anthropic/Etc's business-model depends on people paying them to access them, so it's in their interests to make it as difficult as possible to run them locally. Give it 5 years from now and reassess.
- Ballas 5mo agoThat page compares models that easily fit inside the ram on either GPU. The biggest difference comes when one card can fit a model and the other cannot.
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- deweller 5mo agoHas anyone found the answer to this yet? > What is the benefit of using the Copilot Pro+ at 39$/month instead of using the Copilot Pro at 10$/month and paying for extra usage?
- to11mtm 5mo agoIf I had to guess... On my personal account, Copilot Pro+ still only gave me back Opus 4.7, whereas my work's Pro account still lets me use Opus 4.6. So, my gut says, it's entirely possible that Pro+ will continue to have more segregation on model availability... FTA > Last week, we also rolled out temporary changes to Copilot Individual plans, including Free, Pro, Pro+, and Student, and paused self-serve Copilot Business plan purchases. These were reliability and performance measures as we prepare for the broader transition to usage-based billing. We will loosen usage limits once usage-based billing is in effect. There's enough weasel wording here that I would expect only certain models get re-enabled on Pro. e.x. lots of people seem to get good enough results from Opus 4.6, personally I prefer it over 4.7 in GH Copilot... locking that down to Pro+ would be, given this salvo of enshittification, a 'logical' move on their part.
- bewuethr 5mo agoSome models, for example Opus 4.7 and GPT 5.5, are only available on Pro+; Pro+ has audit logs and GitHub Spark; that's about it, as far as I can tell from https://docs.github.com/en/enterprise-cloud@latest/copilot/get-started/plans https://docs.github.com/en/enterprise-cloud@latest/copilot/g...
- Culonavirus 5mo agoYes there's no Opus at all on Pro. GPT 5.5 is also missing. Then again what would you expect, the economic reality is beginning to hit. Also I can't be too mad when the "base" models (GPT 5.4...) are still available and decent. When I see how fast Codex max thinking GPT 5.5 eats our enterprise seat credits almost anything else seems cheap (until we switch our live systems from 5.4 api to 5.5 api I guess)... good thing I'm not the one paying for those credits and tokens (which is probably how most of the money is going to be made on AI going forward, borderline free chatbots for normies are done)
- immanuwell 5mo agotldr: people were running multi-hour agentic coding sessions for the same flat fee as a one-liner autocomplete, github was eating the bill, and that party's over on june 1st
- CraigJPerry 5mo agoThe cheapest copilot plan felt totally unsustainable to me. For around £8 month i was getting 100 opus 4.6 prompts (albeit with a reduced context window size around 128k iirc vs 200k to 1m for first party hosted opus). Gpt5.4 was hosted with 400k context iirc. On top of that, you’ve got 2000minutes of container runtime, so running cloud agents was included. As was anthropic agent sdk mode via copilot which is very comparable with claude code - not identical, the anthropic “modular prompt” is much leaner in the sdk version. I cant say im mad, i got above what i paid in value. That said, going forward ill probably go back to openrouter payg rather than a subscription. I got a free 3months of the gemini £19 plan and ive been playing quite a bit, 3.1 pro is a good model, i just find it slow. Flash i think i under appreciated until now.
- sandos 5mo agoI AM mad, because I just signed up for my private copilot sub. Otoh I do have it at work. I suspect we will start noticing differences there, too, but it all depends on the top users, vs average user since it is now pooled, IF they dont just allow extra usage. Bu that has become more expensive now, so not sure what they will do. I am hopeful that very few actually even use it. In my and surrounding teams, only maybe 1 out of 3 people really use it much.
- born_a_skeptic 5mo agoI wonder if GitHub (Microsoft) is implicitly betting that enterprise demand is sticky enough to absorb these rates, especially given that Opus 4.6 “fast” was being listed at a 27x multiplier. Maybe they saw enough usage at that price point to conclude the demand is real. Or maybe the strategy is to keep the enterprise customers who can justify it while shedding heavier individual and power-user usage. The interesting question is how long it takes enterprises to notice the capability/pricing tradeoff, and whether they respond by limiting access to the strongest models internally. The part that worries me is that this market is still very early. Most developers and organizations are still learning how to use these tools effectively. Raising the experimentation cost this much may slow down the discovery process that makes the tools valuable in the first place.
- JBlue42 5mo agoAs someone that is on the enterprise side in a non-tech F500 company, what I'm seeing is some FOMO and need to be part of the hype cycle. We're about to plonk a bunch of money on more Copilot licenses. Something got in the water where all the C-levels the past two months are pushing everyone to use AI but when they bring up examples of their uses its like "I use it to rewrite my emails" or prompt 'engineering' ideas that point more to patching over poor processes, data management, and decision-making within the organization or not. What we're seeing across the board is every software company tossing AI onto their name or sales pitch and no one understanding what that actually means. But we will spend money on it because of FOMO. I really question if we're reaching the end of the hype cycle to the point. I wish I were brave enough to put money on it. It feels like there was a command from up top to 'do something with AI' and leadership is scambling for some resume-building projects vs doing the hard work they should've done the past two years at a people and process level.
- WatchDog 5mo agoI'm at an org, where every medium to large company meeting talks about AI in similar breathless non-specific terms, yet m365 copilot is the only approved AI chat, and GH copilot the only AI coding tool.
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- Jayakumark 5mo agoDoes this mean you can only prompt "Hello" every morning for a month with Opus 4.7 ?
- edzitron 5mo agovindication! https://www.wheresyoured.at/exclusive-microsoft-moving-all-github-copilot-subscribers-to-token-based-billing-in-june/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/exclusive-microsoft-moving-all-g...
- theideaofcoffee 5mo agoI thought of this as soon as I saw the headline: I hope this is the start. Crossing my fingers to see more line up with your predictions.
- pauleveritt 5mo agoYou should indeed feel vindicated. Me too, I've been a paid subscriber for months and eagerly read every word. <wink> But yes, I feel like this is the first of several vindications you have coming.
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- Abby_101 5mo agoBuilt credit pricing into my SaaS for AI features and the hardest part wasn't the math, it was that customers can't easily predict their own usage. They underuse and feel cheated, or overuse and churn. Subscriptions hide that volatility from the customer. Usage based pricing makes it their problem, which is honest but harder to sell.
- siva7 5mo agoWe all knew this from the very beginning but couldn't compete with OpenAI or Anthropic on their subscription-based pricing strategy. It was nuts except for those few corporations burning investor money to keep competition out as long as possible. Now they don't have to hide anymore that subscription pricing won't do it for ai. The pyramid scheme is falling.
- wvenable 5mo agoAs a Github Copilot user, who mostly just uses chat in the VS Code editor but still burns through my Pro limit every month -- what's the best alternative price to performance? Claude Code?
- Gagarin1917 5mo agoI keep hearing that Codex is the best bang for your buck now.
- everfrustrated 5mo agoWhy would anyone stay on the Pro+ plan going forward? Pro with openrouter for Opus would be cheaper?
- hakunin 5mo agoEverybody who says it's a 5-9-27x seems to not be aware of the obvious loophole. More like 50x increase. You were able to use over $500 worth of Opus on a $10/mo Github plan easily, no hacks. You could just prompt "plan this out for me, don't stop until fully planned, don't ask any questions", and you would get ~$5 worth of planning in one 3x request. At 100 requests/mo, each easily reaching $5, that's easy $500 worth of tokens.
- Squarex 5mo agoEven more so, questions and user answers from agents were not charged as separate requests.
- SeriousM 5mo agoAnd when you make your harness ask you for next steps in a tool call, the journey continues forever, yeehaa
- pojzon 5mo agoI did many 1h+ sessions of agent asking questions, delegating to subagents - all for 1 premium request. I would say its a x1000 increase in price for agentic workflows.
- fomoz 5mo agoBingo. I created a few autonomous skills that did exactly that for plan review, implementation, and branch review, review autonomously until green. I was using 100M+ tokens per day, $250 per day or so and only paying $160 per month to GitHub. I cancelled my GHCP sub and switched to Codex last week, so far so good but I miss Gemini 3.1 Pro for UI work.
- hakunin 5mo agoYeah it was crazy. Nowadays I use pi with OpenAI GPT 5.4/5.5, which to me seems both better and more generous than Claude. I supplement it with OpenCode Zen to get access to a bunch of models at token cost, and OpenCode Go ($10/mo) to get subscription-style access to Kimi, GLM and friends.
- theanonymousone 5mo agoSomething is hilariously off here: Why should I pay $10 and be forced to use it by the end of the month, while I can pay $10 and have it last as long as I want? Their "API pricing" is exactly the same as that of providers: https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing/models-and-pricing#pricing-tables https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing...
- gpm 5mo agoI'm wondering if they're basically saying they're going to give $10/month free API credits to students and open source maintainers and so on... while otherwise getting out of the consumer portion of this space.
- redsaber 5mo agothey're downsizing free github copilot pro for open source maintainers. At the very least, it looks like small open source projects got their free copilot pro cut off
- rmast 5mo agoI was kinda of disappointed when that happened earlier this month, but not as much now after seeing this change. My primary use had been trying out some of the newer Anthropic and OpenAI models, which probably would have burned through $10 worth of credits rather quickly given their new pricing.
- everfrustrated 5mo agoI'm thinking the same. Downgrade to Pro and use OpenRouter (same price) for overage. Seems a massive loss for Microsoft. Presumably there's a further rugpull to come.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5mo ago> Presumably there's a further rugpull to come. How would that be? They are already charging as much as the underlying providers. They can hardly expect to have any customers if they are charging more.
- midtake 5mo agoSoon it will be cheaper to just do it yourself
- izzydata 5mo agoIt may already be cheaper if you calculate the hidden cost accumulated by LLM generated tech debt. At least some of it could be avoided by manually doing it better to begin with.
- imtringued 5mo agoI searched for "Show HN" for the first time ever and I got the impression that most of the costs associated with the projects could have been avoided by never starting them to begin with. "VibeBrowser", "Financial Database API for Vibe Coders" followed by dozens of self feeding AI projects with barely anyone doing anything that isn't related to AI.
- whatsthatabout 5mo agoSo what's the best alternative now? Openrouter + cline or something else?
- slipwalker 5mo agoi like opencode's zen https://opencode.ai/en/zen https://opencode.ai/en/zen with opencode's TUI.
- jareds 5mo agoWhat's the current situation for coding with Local LLM's on decent hardware? I have an M3 Max with 64 gb of ram and am thinking I should start looking at Ollama and Opencode? Is this a useful stack for smaller personal projects?
- pohl 5mo agoOne nice development recently was ollama's support for MLX optimization on Mac hardware. It's not obvious how to know you're using a model that works with it, yet, so it's rough around the edges. https://ollama.com/blog/mlx https://ollama.com/blog/mlx
- speedgoose 5mo agoIt’s getting there. You could give a try with qwen 3.6. It’s worth paying for better models in the cloud, but local models are now better than nothing.
- satvikpendem 5mo agoUse llama.cpp or better yet Unsloth Studio
- fortran77 5mo agoI'm not sure I understand this. All I know is now, I pay $39/month (actually less because I paid a year up front), use the agent, mostly on auto--and only choosing a model if it got stuck or in a loop--every day, and haven't hit any limits yet. It seemed to good to be true, after hearing others talk of $300/month bills. I guess it was.
- darqis 5mo agoyou will pay 6fold at the very least. Your 300 messages became 50 or your 1500 became 250 per month. And you have session limits, daily weekly and monthly limits
- rob 5mo agoAccording to `bunx ccusage` I'm easily doing $250-400/day in "real" API costs on my $200/month plan. There's no way everybody else isn't going to do the same thing and completely change the industry again. Both beginner and advanced developers are already hooked on all this stuff and they all know it.
- kanemcgrath 5mo agoI liked copilot because I didn't have to think about tokens. I get hung up when having to think about the price of things, and its hard to think about the project at the same time I got to think about token usage like a gas bill. The usage system had its own issues, but having a set amount of requests was a very comfortable way to use a paid AI service.
- cyanydeez 5mo agoSounds like you're a candidate for a local model. It's kinda nice not caring what the token count means except as to compaction.
- kanemcgrath 5mo agoI do love using local models when I can, but qwen-35B is the best model I can run, and while its an insanely good local model, it does not compare to the big ones.
- deaux 5mo agoHave you tried the latest Gemma? You might prefer it to Qwen, depending on what you're doing.
- kanemcgrath 5mo agoI did, but in almost everything I tried even qwen3.5 was better, and 3.6 was a huge step up.
- deaux 5mo agoGood to know, did you also try non-coding or is that what you use it for? For tasks unrelated to coding we've generally preferred Gemma.
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- geomcentral 5mo agoI bought a copilot subscription for some small personal projects at Christmas. I haven't been able to use my subscription much over the busy spring months, but i'm being charged every month. I'd be tempted to keep the subscription if usage-based billing meant that i'd save money when i had less time. But today, after hearing this, i cancelled my subscription.
- synergy20 5mo agohaven't touched copilot for one year, this reminds me to cancel, it will take sometime to catch up
- Flundstrom2 5mo agoIt was just a matter of time, considering how many Mtok you could consume in just 300 prompts.
- sreekanth850 5mo agoThe problem is that people expect to get the output of 100 people with a $20 subscription by spawning multiple agents. This is unrealistic. I'm using 2 codex plus account and able to manage a repo with 265-300k lines of code.
- pojzon 5mo agoThe point is - if its the same or more expensive per month than a real human employee - why pay for AI ? Human retain knowledge, product knowledge, can pick up more work often for the same money. And having many of them means your business wont go down if provider suddenly bumps API pricing.
- sreekanth850 5mo agoHow much is the average pay for a junior developer in US? Its definitely much costlier considering PF and other benefits. Just the math. if you use it efficiently it's much cheaper than hiring a permanent staff. You can maintain a lean team and do all the mundane boilerplate coding with AI.
- pojzon 5mo agoWhy keep stuff in US when offshore costs so much less? Talent and skill is for sure not the reason, coz biggest names now seem to all be immigrants.
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- exidex 5mo ago"The bottom line" is the new "Its not just X, its Y"
- stego-tech 5mo agoIt begins. "It" being the end of subsidization of tokens and plans (expected) but while lock-in to foundational models and cloud services is still lacking. Guess investors want their ROI sooner than later, given how big of a wrench the AI boom has thrown into global economics.
- WhereIsTheTruth 5mo agoStill no chips coming from Microslop Google won
- deaux 5mo ago"Paid for annual? Tough luck, from now on your usage limits are reduced by 89%. You can do 11% of what you paid for. Good luck if you paid annual a month ago!" And then they have the gall to say > "The bottom line: Plan prices aren’t changing" If anyone lives in a place like Germany or Australia and has an annual sub, please take them to court, you're guaranteed to win because you have reasonable consumer protections and their ToS doesn't stand a chance. 9x reduction is unreasonable and the consumer cannot be expected to see this coming. In case some diehard enshittifier believes that consumers should know better and businesses should be allowed to get away with it, where is the line? 99% reduction? Is that still okay? If this situation is to be acceptable then it should be regulated as a financial product like stocks, which come with knowledge tests of "do you know you can lose all of your money?". And come with regulatory compliance and all that.
- CrzyLngPwd 5mo agoIn light of this, does anyone have a DGX Spark and use it as a coding agent?
- insane_dreamer 5mo agoGlad this was announced because I didn't even realize that our (small) team has been paying $20/month for Github Copilot when none of us are using it, so used the opportunity to cancel CoPilot altogether. I think it was free when I first activated it (this was also before Claude, Codex, Gemini, and while not that great, it was why not), and didn't realize it had switched to paid and bundled with our Github bill, and now per usage.
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- 0xffff2 5mo agoSo given that I primarily interact with LLM's through VSCode, and I prefer the Copilot interface to the Claude Code plugin, does anyone have any suggestions on other plugins I should try? In my experience, Copilot is much more "plugged in" than any of the other plugins, in the sense that it can see things like linter outputs in VSCode. Basically, copilot "sees what I see" in a way that no other plugin or command line tool can, which make it much more ergonomic to use. With this pricing change, I see no reason at all to stick with Copilot in principle, but I really need to solve this issue of IDE integration to move on.
- herpdyderp 5mo agoI used to feel exactly like you do, but now I use the Claude CLI exclusively and am very pleased with the results.
- 0xffff2 5mo agoCould you elaborate on what's better about the CLI?
- herpdyderp 5mo agoSimply the output of the code written. It initially worried me that it was harder to add context (can't select a single line of code in VS Code and automatically attach it, for example), but I've found that the Claude CLI's output is so far superior that it doesn't even need that VS Code context.
- daemonologist 5mo agoYou can use Copilot Chat* with basically any API provider, and if you switch to the VS Code Insiders build you can configure it to use literally any OpenAI API-compatible endpoint. Other than that Zed has a similar experience which is pretty decent. * By which I mean the good one, whatever it's called now - the part of Copilot that used to be a plugin and is now part of VS Code, not the thing that has always been part of VS Code.
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- Aeroi 5mo agofrom these comments I'm going to make mouse.dev pricing as follows -BYOK runs are $0 to Mouse, period. -Hosted runs are billed at provider cost + a published markup. -We will never invent a unit of billing that isn't denominated in tokens, seconds, or tool calls. -Credits in the paid category never expire.
- talideon 5mo agoAnd so it begins...
- swader999 5mo agoThis reminds me, I have to cancel co-pilot...
- textech 5mo agoI'd be fine with it if they can make Sonnet 4.5 unlimited. I haven't personally seen any major differences between 4.6 or any of the other newer models. Claude 4.5 seems to be the right balance and works great for me.
- hrpnk 5mo agoWhat's the residual value of Copilot after the changes? For Enterprise plans, even copilot code reviews will be charged at token price + github action minutes for the execution of the review. One can roll one's own reviewer and have it spend the API tokens as well. At least one will be able to select the subset of files for the change set, if needed. The background agents will also depreciate in value because of their harness that's a black box that's not optimized for token usage at all. Rolling one's own will be a better choice here.
- zihotki 5mo agoLooks like Microsoft has run out of compute and can't scale it fast enough to serve copilot users and Azure AI Foundry needs, given that the customer base is growing there as well.
- zitterbewegung 5mo agoI guess this is the "Google App engine" of Vibe coding when google raised pricing of App Engine significantly after being in preview. Doing weird price changes like this when coming out for new services make much more sense than doing this change which will just anger users.
- upcoming-sesame 5mo agowhat's the best place to transition to on a company level after this change ? should companies just switch to pay as you go with open router ?
- darqis 5mo agochatgpt business/enterprise
- hkon 5mo agoGithub Copilot has for the last week been an absolute shitshow. Clearly something has happened behind the scenes. AI itself clearly weaker / dumber. Prices increased manyfold.
- notatoad 5mo agoso what's everybody using to get autocompletions in vscode? i've been using copilot just because $10 is cheap, but i use opencode for everything other than completions. i tried the continue vscode extension, and it seemed kind of janky. are there better options?
- referenceo 5mo agoWindsurf has free tab complete and has been good for me. Antigravity has free tab complete as well but no idea if its any good
- notatoad 5mo agoI tried antigravity, it worked great for a couple weeks and then Google changed their rate limits and ruined it - I’d get about 3hrs of work before all the ai features just stopped working.
- heikkilevanto 5mo agoI started to use github copilot with vscode, but have never been too happy about the system. Over the months I gravitated to much more agentic workstyle, hardly ever editing much code by hand. The vscode IDE was getting more in the way. I had already started to look at OpenCode, and when I found it has a web interface, I was happy to switch over. I use a simple editor (KDE's Kate), or just less to skim through the code and/or a git diff. OpenCode has some free models in it, but I think I will need to get some kind of subscription for a better one. But it won't be copilot any more. The market is moving so fast that I don't know what are the most resonable models, or the most flexible way to set them up so I can switch when prices change yet again.
- giancarlostoro 5mo agoCheck out Zed sometime, its pretty decent too.
- tomaskafka 5mo agoWell, the free launch for somebody else's money is over.
- giancarlostoro 5mo agoThey're not the only ones in the AI sphere to wind back, but they're the weirdest case in my eyes. Microsoft invests in having engineers building open models and they don't use a single one. I really don't get it. But what really surprised me most about Copilot is that it would bill you per question, nothing about tokens. So if I managed to produce a prompt that gave me back an insane amount of tokens for something, which using any Claude model would easily accomplish, you were giving me my money's worth, at your own expense. The math is not gonna math out forever.
- themafia 5mo ago> I really don't get it. One of the largest employers publicly engaging in a project which has the outcome of depressing wages. It's easier to "get" if you don't take the trillion dollar gorilla at face value.
- mitjam 5mo agoI was always curious how they can sustain a request based pricing model when requests can range from tiny to huge with all the modalities GH Copilot offers. Was a steal for agentic coding that turned out to be too good to be true, in the end. Still: Thank you for the ride.
- mrinterweb 5mo agoI only use copilot for the occasional auto-complete suggestion. I'm betting I could run a lightweight local LLM with llama.cpp to get similar functionality. Maybe this would be a decent replacement https://github.com/TabbyML/tabby https://github.com/TabbyML/tabby
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- notsylver 5mo agoI pay for github copilot solely for completions and use codex for actual agent work. I really wish I could pay like $5/month for just completions or there was a good local alternative for them.
- conqrr 5mo agojust cancelled mine. Only reason to have it was I could get a lot more done with a single prompt. No reason why I shouldn't go to the model provider directly instead.
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- throwatdem12311 5mo ago“base price isn’t changing” Why does everyone care about gas prices I only ever pay $20 for gas?
- saratogacx 5mo agoShrinkflation
- try-working 5mo agoCancelling. Going with Codex $100, Kimi annual plan, DeepSeek API, and a local LLM once I get a Mac Studio. Inference economics are going to be brutal in 2026 H2 when DeepSeek's new infra and model improvements come online, and Kimi launches K3. By brutal, I mean for OpenAI and Anthropic.
- aitchnyu 5mo agoWhat about Minimax? Their api pricing is half of Kimi and Z.ai.
- try-working 5mo agoTheir models are too small for coding. Maybe with M3, we'll see.
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- kernalix7 5mo agoAnnual Pro+ subscriber here, mostly using it as a fallback when my Claude Max plan hits limits. The request-based pricing was genuinely the appeal, I could spill over from Max into Copilot without thinking about token costs. Going from 3x to 27x on Opus on annual plans is rough. The newer reasoning models with variable thinking budgets probably made per-request pricing untenable in the long run, but the way this lands on existing annual subscribers feels harsh. Going to look into the prorated refund.
- tgrowazay 5mo ago$10/month was a too good of a deal. The plan is to normalize spending hundreds/thousands on tokens per month for the productivity you gain. See Jensen Huang’s comment that every $500k developer should spend at least $250k worth of tokens per year.
- benoau 5mo ago> Code completions and Next Edit suggestions remain included in all plans and do not consume AI Credits. This is the VSCode autocomplete stuff right? Really enjoy this. > Copilot code review will also consume GitHub Actions minutes, in addition to GitHub AI Credits. These minutes are billed at the same per-minute rates as other GitHub Actions workflows. That sucks.
- throwaway85825 5mo agoThis marks the beginning of the end of the AI free money era. Next they will dramatically raise prices when they have to be profitable on tokens.
- 2001zhaozhao 5mo agoI am seriously considering binge buying local AI inference hardware. The way this is going, there will be another big GPU crunch soon because everyone will need local models and/or open model inference capacity to do their programming tasks when the subsidized subscriptions are no longer flowing.
- ThunderSizzle 5mo agoI just bought a 3090 off of Amazon. It was expensive ($1500ish), but covered under prime and an included any reason 90 return policy. But that gives me a good while to determine if it's worth it or not. I've heard good and bad, so here's hoping for good or close to it. I wasn't going to fork out $1000 on a chance it might be enough with a rough return strategy.
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- 0xbadcafebee 5mo agoGitHub Copilot has been the most expensive LLM subscription on the internet, when it comes to dollars-per-request-limit. Literally any other subscription provides more usage per dollar. https://codeberg.org/mutablecc/calculate-ai-cost/src/branch/main/subscription_vs_api_comparison.csv https://codeberg.org/mutablecc/calculate-ai-cost/src/branch/...
- XYen0n 5mo agoAmp Free provides $10 free credits every day. Unfortunately, new applications have now been closed.
- gregjw 5mo agoTime to cancel. Happy to hear about some alternatives.
- 6Az4Mj4D 5mo agoAnyone paying enterprise billing can you shed some light how on the earth you will be able to fund this bill going forward? Were you able to see assisted AI coding savings proportional to costs increase now you are going to get? Companies removed people as AI assisted coding will be cheaper and now coding cost are going up from fixed $X to non-deterministic. The posts by Uber few days back about spending 12 months' worth of money in 4 months tells a lot. Only path forward seems using Open-source models and many companies don't use Chinese that makes only Mistral one as the option.
- ktallett 5mo agoSurely one path is to return to humans. We can accept that a profit grab to reduce staff numbers to maximise profits, maybe was never the best plan without being in control of the development tool.
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- hansmayer 5mo agoIn a way, this is good news. I am expecting to see a lot less of AI-boosters claiming that they are "productive in ways you don't understand", now that they'll have to dish out upwards of a few thousand bucks per month for whatever PoCs they are building. And the excited hired middle managers and CEOs spending other people's money will have to be much more careful about their budget starting June.
- hu3 5mo agoNah, they are moving to DeepSeek v4 Pro which is like Sonnet tier for a fraction of the price. And DeepSeek V4 Flash is comparable to Gemini Flash at also a fraction of the cost. These models are just quite chatty from my experience. Only downside. And DeepSeek is planning to deploy to their own Huawei TPUs, halving their already cheap prices.
- darqis 5mo agoA better Opus 4.6
- barrenko 5mo agoSo it may still be cheaper for us to train junior engineers in the long run.
- 0ct0 5mo agoSample of 1 opinion: Massive downgrade for fun vibecoding on the go. Got done much before the recent rate limits on mobile on fun projects, their product went from fun to bad within a few weeks. And now into oblivion I suppose.
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- boesboes 5mo agoAfter 2 months of using copilot pro, they've charged us 22$ in premium requests for my user, i spend roughly 1900$ in tokens, going of the on-demand pricing. This is estimated to be around 40-60% of real costs. They are undercharging by a factor 50 to 90! This is just the start of the rug-pull
- oezi 5mo agoIf the real cost where really 1900 / 50% = 3800 USD per month then you could rent your own H200 with 140 GB VRAM. The issue currently is capacity. Servicing the models cost just peanuts of electricity but the popularity is killing them.
- throwa356262 5mo agoNow do the same thing with the office 365 subscriptions. That is, redact copilot from the bill for customers that dont use it.
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- alkonaut 5mo agoDoes this mean that "Let Opus 4.6 churn in a terminal window my whole workday for a fixed price my employer barely notices" was never sustainable?
- ianhxu 5mo agoIt's almost impossible to afford the usage-based pricing as a heavy user with multiple max and pro subscriptions. Seems like a bet that same-capability inference will keep getting cheaper on something like a Moore's law curve.
- hansmayer 5mo agoAre you telling me that inference costs did not go down, as the AI crowd keeps preaching?
- eolgun 5mo agoThe 27x multiplier on Opus is the tell. That is not a pricing model designed for broad adoption, it's a price signal that says 'use the cheaper model.' The problem is that once users start self-censoring which model they reach for based on cost anxiety, you've degraded the product experience in a way that's invisible in the metrics but very visible in churn. Flat subscriptions had one big advantage: zero cognitive overhead per request. That's worth more than people admit.
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- moron4hire 5mo agoThe OnlyFans model for SaaS.
- meerita 5mo agoI am doing these things to avoid using all tokens and hitting rate limits in a day: - I plan everything in ChatGPT. I provide project trees and create an execution plan for Claude Code, Codex, or Copilot agents. - I clearly say I do not want the agent to explain what it will do or what it did. I only want "I finished". That saves extra tokens. My projects include tools to gather file contents in bulk. A single command like bun copy-paste FILES="<file1> <file2>" lets the agent collect many files into one file. - I also provide a bun create-empty-files command so the agent can create all needed files at once instead of one by one. With this setup, I managed to build 4 major features (more than 80 file edits or creations) using the 3 daily resets on a standard plan.
- rldjbpin 5mo agothis was bound to happen but the knee-jerk changes recently is just hilarious. having seen tens of millions of tokens (total; albeit not split by type) for a plan-agent workflow of a simple few line change, they should be also spending time on optimizing their internal orchestration. i think the claude licensing on time-based limits would have been the least frustrating outcome, even if for the short-term. anyways, it was fun while it lasted (especially when opus 4.6 was initially 1x lol). also, recession indicator anyone?
- darqis 5mo agoIt's obvious they want non-enterprise users out and make it an exclusive club
- arjun-mavonic 5mo agoI knew they were burning money with those earlier limits. But thanks we had them a good price until we needed them. Now that GLM, Opencode Go, Crof AI, Synthetic.new, and many many more. They give these opensource source models. I have switched from all big subscriptions and now have moved to many small subscriptions and I am now trying see who gives best accuracy(quants), Speed (tokens/second) and Usage Limits at low price.
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