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AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart
- fedeb95 6mo ago1984 gets more real every day.
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- bobthepanda 6mo agoThe iTunes chart primarily focuses on sales velocity, not streams, and so I wonder how useful that is in 2026 and how easy it is to game.
- vlan0 6mo agoLikely not a bad way to clean money.
- odo1242 6mo agoPeople do it with Steam games, too.
- patwolf 6mo agoRick Beato had an episode about AI music where he talked about how easy it is to game the iTunes charts. So few people buy music from iTunes that it's relatively cheap to buy your way onto the charts.
- tripplyons 6mo agoI saw a video of guy who became an Amazon bestseller in a book category pretty easily by buying his own book.
- yial 6mo agoThrough my professional / personal network, I know someone who advertises himself as being a “Best Selling Amazon Author in XYZ category.” It is semi niche, but I did some ballpark math, and about 72 sales rapidly would put him in the top spot for that niche. That number sounds about right when he’s mentioned the gross $ sales of his book.
- slyall 6mo agoPretty common for authors to get people to pre-order their books so when they go on sale they top the chart for that day (the book's release day) in their category.
- jabroni_salad 6mo agoNot even just for their category. "NYT bestsellers" has been manipulated like this since inception.
- bobthepanda 6mo agoNYT bestsellers is also not a sales volume chart, there is an editorial lens to it as well
- jmathai 6mo agoWe've seen a steady shift in music over the past 2 decades from full length albums, to single hits, to artificially generated. Surely there's some gained and some lost. But coming from the era of buying an entire album, spending time reading the CD booklets and art, and listening to 10 songs which tell a larger story ---- what's being lost really hits home.
- warkdarrior 6mo agoOne can still buy artisan albums created by independent singers/bands. But they tend to get lost in the marketing/influencer noise and thus do not get worldwide success. As a result you have to search harder for them.
- mistrial9 6mo agothe main article is about marketing/influencer noise completely replacing the artists, enacted by companies close to the search process
- bobthepanda 6mo agoArtists have actually been moving back to the full album with goodies, even in mainstream pop with Beyoncé, Rosalia, RAYE, Charli XCX to name a few.
- BoingBoomTschak 6mo agoDoes it really matter since pop albums were/are (almost?) always "collections of singles + fillers"?
- bobthepanda 6mo agoah, the standard trite, reductive anti-pop cudgel. no, these days, pop albums are more frequently meant to be consumed in their entirety, often with full length visuals for each song that blend into each other in order. * the death of radio has really meant that singles are declining in utility, especially in our social media era where the songs that pop off an album are not necessarily the record-designated singles * the more parasocial development of pop encourages fans to invest more in merch and the concept of the album * like everything else in the economy trending towards more expensive but meaningful experiences, tours are becoming larger productions to experience an album intensely * in the AI era, we are now seeing artists pivot towards doubling down on experiences that AI cannot curate and provide meaning for Rosalia this year is touring with a full orchestra and RAYE with a full big band, because these are intentional choices that the pop music industry has been trending towards for a while. There's always going to be trite drugstore music as long as there are drugstores, but what is charting is not really that at the moment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htQBS2Ikz6c&list=RDhtQBS2Ikz6c&start_radio=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htQBS2Ikz6c&list=RDhtQBS2Ikz...
- leviathant 6mo agoI have no doubt that those numbers have been inflated by AI powered marketing tools, dead internet theory style.
- justonceokay 6mo agoYes it should be easy to find people in one’s immediate social circle who are listening to these tracks if they are that popular. I’ll wait…
- podgietaru 6mo agoTime for a cross, like the New York Times bestsellers.
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- Gigachad 6mo agoDeezer had an analysis where they found almost all the listeners for AI music was fraud bots.
- cdrini 6mo agoLink: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/18/up-to-70-of-streams-of-ai-generated-music-on-deezer-are-fraudulent-says-report https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/18/up-to-70-... Up to 70% of streams of AI music on Deezer were fraudulent!
- 1970-01-01 6mo agoRight. If we're not hearing these songs on the street, in a pub, etc. then it's just bots praising bots.
- HardwareLust 6mo agoI just checked Spotify, it has 368k followers and at least one song has over 1M streams.
- mjr00 6mo agoThis speaks more about how easy it is to buy botted vanity metrics on Spotify than anything. The most obvious way you can tell this is inorganic is how all of the "Discovered On" are artist-specific playlists: "Eddie Dalton music", "Best of Eddie Dalton", "Eddie Dalton Hits", etc. A real artist may have some artist-specific playlists but generally their Discovered On will be more general genre playlists, like "Pop Hits" or "Hype" or "Gym Music" or whatever.
- LtWorf 6mo agoWasn't there already some scandal with swedish criminals using this to launder money?
- pjmlp 6mo agoThankfully I still buy proper music, what a sad state for human culture.
- futureproofd 6mo agoIt's as if what William Gibson wrote about in Idoru has already become a reality. Soon we will see celebrity AI gossip.
- alexambarch 6mo ago“Soon” we will see celebrity AI gossip? Someone clearly missed the first season of Fruit Love Island[0]. [0]: https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/viral/ai-fruit-love-island-tiktok-slop-popularity-rcna264946 https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/viral/ai-fruit-love-isla...
- curiouser2 6mo agobaby gronk got rizzed up by livvy?
- adzm 6mo agoLive shows are the biggest part of music anyway
- johnla 6mo agoI'll perform these songs by AI in concerts if the price is right. And that's how AI starts to leak out into the physical world. AI also hires human workers to do tasks in the real world using Task Rabbit and similar apps.
- techjamie 6mo agoAI music is generally not going to be copyrightable unless they can show genuine human creativity was involved. So if a song is 100% AI, you could just go around performing it or straight up selling copies yourself and there's nothing* they could do about it. Though I do wonder if a human writes the lyrics, but AI generates all the music parts, if it becomes sufficiently human for copyright. Because the lyrics at that point would be actual creativity. * I am not a lawyer, and this won't stop them from possibly trying to sue you or even winning depending on the situation. Or trying to prove there is human ingenuity involved. Do at your own peril.
- skeeter2020 6mo agoMaybe I'm just old (definitely I'm just old) but the live music experience has been completely destroyed for me, between bat-shit-crazy high ticket prices and the absolute collapse of concert-goer decorum. Who would have thought that a bunch of high, adolescent punks in the 80s or 90s would be more appropriately behaved than the 35-yr-old mom pushing past only to stand directly in front to film the entire show over her head on her iPhone, with a few breaks to live-tweet her awesome experience on social media?
- analog31 6mo agoI admit that the bands I play in aren't at a level where we play "shows" with high ticket prices. More often we play in bars that host live jazz. I hope you don't give up on live music, but find a way to enjoy it on terms that you prefer.
- bparsons 6mo agoGrifters figured out several years ago that the iTunes sales chart is extremely gameable, and can be juiced for some cheap headlines.
- everdrive 6mo agoIt's similar pattern that we've seen previously, but exaggerated by modern trends and modern technology: the most popular cultural items will often be meaningless and base, and if you want something substantial you need other ways to find meaningful content.
- curiouser2 6mo agoright, but at least human hands used to touch the process. even in 2000s copy-paste boy band era it was at least human
- everdrive 6mo agoAgreed. It's far worse now, specifically due to changes in technology. I didn't mean to say that "we've seen this all before," but instead meant something more like "given how human nature works, this technology will take us to a worse place."
- mrweasel 6mo agoFor large swaths of music I'm not sure that matters all that much, not anymore. At least the copy-paste bands had some level of uniqueness, there always seemed to be a distinct sound or gimmick. I don't really like much of the "mainstream" music right now. It's basically whining, high pitched young men. They all sound exactly the same to me, you can't hear or make outall the words, they play the guitar, sort of and all bass sounds have been scrubbed from the track. Even if they write their own songs, which I honestly think many do, I don't see the point, when it's basically a stream of high pitched tones which you can't hear. Even if you read the lyrics, they are super generic. Might as well be AI, and I think that's really the point. Most people don't give a fuck, AI or not, who cares, it's noise coming out the speaker or headphones. It's not there because it's music, it's there to be noise and isolate you from the world.
- yokoprime 6mo agoiTunes? i wonder what kind of sales we're talking about here. people buying music is few and far between, and i wonder what percentage of that customer base buys their music on iTunes when there are great alternatives offering lossless files
- testycool 6mo agoI mostly listen to AI-generated music. 8 out of 10 of my top listens in the last 180 days are AI-generated. I gradually went from various genres -> mostly nerdcore -> mostly AI nerdcore. https://www.last.fm/user/testycool/library/tracks?from=2025-10-08&to=2026-04-06 https://www.last.fm/user/testycool/library/tracks?from=2025-... EDIT: Updated link to the most listened songs in the past 180 days. The songs are not generated by me.
- rafram 6mo agoWhy?
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- testycool 6mo agoIt sounds great to me. AI-generated music is pretty popular with Warhammer 40k lore as well. Also I tend to listen to songs for a few days, during which time I feel they're the best thing ever, which also helps with momentum during work. After a few days I have to find other songs. Since AI music started getting more traction it's been way easier to find great songs. I understand the criticisms of AI music, but that doesn't take away from the fact that for me and a growing number of people it sounds good.
- skeeter2020 6mo agoIf you think that AI generated beige music is nerdcore, you don't know what you're talking about. The best is far more sophisticated and deeply - sarcastically - self-referential that I think it would be a real challenge for AI to come up with something both compelling and meaningful.
- testycool 6mo agoI don't have strong opinions on whether the AI music I listen to is nerdcore or something else. Maybe I didn't use the correct term.
- cdrnsf 6mo agoThis is no more art than a container of corn syrup is a proper meal.
- Mistletoe 6mo agoSo it’s perfect for the times. :(
- notatoad 6mo agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHQevuohJH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHQevuohJH8 my music tastes are pretty mainstream, and this just does absolutely nothing for me. it's exactly what i'd expect AI music to sound like - completely forgettable, with nothing interesting about it. i'd be willing to believe that this music was legitimately charting if it had at least some redeeming qualities, but i can't imagine how this could honestly get eleven spots on the iTunes chart without gaming it in some way.
- nwallin 6mo agoIt feels... commercial. I feel like I have to read a EULA and hit I Agree before I can listen to that.
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- setnone 6mo agothe comments are very suspicious and very scary
- actionfromafar 6mo agoIf the comments are from humans, that's tragic and frightening.
- setnone 6mo agofrightening either way, probably part of an operation that makes this AI chart so high
- Gigachad 6mo agoA lot of them read like twitter bots with generic “wow beautiful <emojis>” Wherever there is profit to be made on the internet, you have massive amounts of weird abuse and botting to game the system. Maybe not even literal bots, but paying a sweatshop in India to leave thousands of generic comments to boost your rankings on the algorithm.
- pickleglitch 6mo agoThe top 40 has always been riddled with garbage, in my opinion, but at least real, human musicians were making a living from their art.
- imiric 6mo agoThe top 40 has rarely been about "art", though. The music there is highly formulaic and derivative, whose creators know well how to produce music that appeals to the masses. The effect of this "AI" trend is that now humans with no musical background or experience can flood the medium, making it much more difficult for anyone to make a living from it, whether they're an artist or not.
- Daz912 6mo agoNo, back when there were actual musicians playing actual instruments the top 40 was legitimate art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1972 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_sin...
- daemonologist 6mo agoIt's interesting to me that all AI music sounds slightly sibilant - like someone taped a sheet of paper to the speaker or covered my head in dry leaves. I know no model is perfect but I'd have thought they'd have ironed out this problem by now, given how pervasive it is and how significantly it degrades the end product.
- AlphaAndOmega0 6mo agoAgreed. I find that particularly annoying, and I also seem to find that the spatial arrangement or stereo effect is muted for most instruments (or the model simply doesn't use that feature as well as a good human musician).
- recursive 6mo agoI've noticed this too. I have a few theories about this. Disclosure: I know a little about audio, and very little about audio generative AI. First, perhaps the models are trained on relatively low-bitrate encodings. Just like image generations sometimes generate JPG artifacts, we could be hearing the known high-frequency loss of low data rate encodings. Another idea is that 'S' and 'T' sounds and similar are relatively broad-spectrum sounds. Not unlike white noise. That kind of sound is known to be difficult to encode for lossy frequency-domain encoding schemes. Perhaps these models work in a similar domain and are subject to similar constraints. Perhaps there's a balance here of low-pass filter vs. "warbly" sounds, and we're hearing a middle ground compromise. I don't know how it happens, but when I hear the "AI" sound in music, this is usually one of the first tells.
- gowld 6mo agoI suspect it's because AI generates music as a waveform incrementally not globally so it favors smoothly varying sounds, not sharp contrast. If it generated MIDI data and then used a MIDI synth to create the audio, you wouldn't get that.
- userbinator 6mo agoPerhaps this is what the human is for - to apply an EQ curve.
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- smilbandit 6mo agoI dabbled with AI music for a bit with Suno. Worked out well for the most part, only way I'm ever going to hear music with themes for some of niche things I like, like Shadowrun. I threw a bunch of music genres at it and some were good enough that I added them to my normal playlist but after about 30 completed songs I had a hard time coming up with new stuff. As someone who has never tried to create music myself it was fun to play with.
- empath75 6mo agoThere are two arguments about AI art, one of them is trivially reducible to the “is sampling/collage art”. If you are spending time expressing something using AI produced components then you are producing art, and probably the amount of time you spend working on it (either developing your skills or creating the work) roughly will correlate to how much value others see in it. It’s no different than building a hip hop track out of drum loops. The second question is more interesting, which is “does raw AI produced artwork have any artistic value” and I am going to punt on the “artistic” part of that equation and answer the “value” part with no, and not because people might not enjoy it, but it falls victim to the classic “my five year old could so that” critique of modern art, except in this case it is true. Anybody can go to an AI and produce some mediocre media. Where this gets interesting again is _volume_. What AI unlocks is exactly that anybody can create songs, videos and images for _themselves_. The value of it is probably the pennies worth of time ajd expense they put into it, but it might he worth it for them to make something, be mildly amused by it and immediately dispose of it. You wanted some shadowrun themed music, you got it and enjoyed it. You made something of value only to yourself, but that seems okay? Multiply that times billions of people probably eventually people might luck into something genuinely good and worth sharing from time to time.
- HDThoreaun 6mo agoI think your starting definition of value is basically worthless. Value is not about what things cost to make, but what people are willing to pay for them. You reached this conclusion by the end of your comment, but I think it's important to emphasize. My friend group has created incredible value with suno, mostly making meme songs we forget about after a day, but every once in a while we create lasting memories that have real emotional impact. It doesnt matter that anyone can do that, I dont think that cheapens the output at all.
- scubazealous 6mo agoI searched Spotify and Apple music top 100 songs and Eddie Dalton is not on either. I think the majority of users do not buy singles on iTunes anymore so this may be an easy chart to manipulate. The source mentions the name of the creator in the second line leading me to believe this is some clever advertising for Dallas Little's AI.
- vor_ 6mo agoWho still buys from iTunes? This is likely bot-driven.
- storus 6mo agoI am wondering when Dr. Phoxotic makes it to the top 10...
- everyone 6mo agoI mean music in the charts has always been total shit anyway.
- luma 6mo agoToday there are zero mentions of Eddie in the top 100: https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/top-100-usa/pl.606afcbb70264d2eb2b51d8dbcfa6a12 https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/top-100-usa/pl.606afcbb7... I'd really love to see an actual source on this claim.
- bubblebobble99 6mo agoDefinitely still at #3 in the UK when I open “iTunes Store” (not Apple Music) and go to the Album Chart… at least it was the case two minutes ago.
- WhitneyLand 6mo agoBullshit. This does not represent what real people are listening to, there are ways to game the system. The idea is explained by Rick Beato here: https://youtu.be/rGremoYVMPc https://youtu.be/rGremoYVMPc
- starkeeper 6mo agoSo absolutely tasteless it should be banned. I think it's fine if people want to generate music at home like this but also, isn't it questionable what is even copyrightable? Apple makes you pay for this? oh man, I just am so bummed that around 2007 I ditched my 20 year collection of CDs and went digital whaaaaa!
- tzs 6mo agoI wonder how well it would work to use AI as a front end to Band-in-a-Box? Band-in-a-Box is a commercial program that has been around since 1990. What it did then was let you specify a chord progression, style, tempo, and instruments and it would make a generate a MIDI track. I think it might have also been able to take a melody and come up with a chord progression for it in a style/genre of your choosing. The target market was musicians. Instrumentalists used it generate tracks to improvise or solo with for example, and songwriters found it useful to essentially have a full band at their beck and call while composing. Over the years they added more features, and switched to sounds from recordings of real instruments played by real musicians. They have very good stretching and pitch transposition so you can use these at a range of tempos and keys and they still sound good. It is still aimed at musicians, and can be overwhelming to others. This I've read is made worse because as it has grown in features and capabilities in the 25+ years it has been available the interface has become kind of disjoint. It is not something the kind of person who just wants to describe what they want to hear and have a song produced would enjoy. But if an AI could operate it for them, maybe that would work and the result would be something with much better sounding instruments than the AI song makers (and without the risk of including unlicensed copyrighted material).
- greedo 6mo agoI remember watching a youtube video that was kind of a Star Wars fan fic. It had a great soundtrack, that was a cross between John Williams and Michael Giacchino. The YouTuber was using some commercial program that included samples of all the orchestral instruments and you could use it to compose lush scores. I never used it since it was expensive, but I always dreamed of tools like that, like GarageBand on steroids for orchestras. Now I wonder how quickly I could vibe code something like that...
- fipar 6mo agoThe code is only a (very important) part of this type of program. The samples are critical and (for the time being anyway) can't be generated by AI. Especially important if you want orchestral instruments that sound realistic. Just think of the many ways that a single note can be played by a professional player and multiply that by the range of the instrument. Edited to add: not orchestral instruments, and also not samples, but this gives an idea of the complexities of capturing the characteristics of an amplifier so that it can be modeled faithfully: https://neuraldsp.com/quad-cortex-updates/introducing-tina https://neuraldsp.com/quad-cortex-updates/introducing-tina (I'm not related and I'm actually a Line6 customer, but I saw this at work in an interview by Rick Beato and though it was super interesting)
- chromacity 6mo agoI find the production and consumption of AI music to be uniquely... anti-human. You can make utilitarian arguments for most other uses of AI. For example, the code you're generating didn't exist before, and it would take serious time or money to write it. So, I get it, the economic argument is compelling enough. But music? There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next to nothing. Millions upon millions of them, in every conceivable style, for every conceivable mood. There's nothing you gain by listening to AI music day-to-day, so what's the argument for it - other than utmost indifference to human creativity?
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- simmonmt 6mo agoIf you consider say elevator music - music that's just there to fill space, rather than to be listened too - then I don't think there's that much difference between using AI to produce it and using AI to produce clip art or boilerplate code.
- chromacity 6mo agoWell, code and visual art is more differentiated, so the thing you need probably doesn't exist and it would take effort & money to procure it. Not always, but often enough to make rational people default to AI. With music... if there's a style you like, no matter how eclectic, there are probably thousands matching human-recorded tracks you can listen to today.
- yellowapple 6mo agoFinding those thousands of matching human-recorded tracks and curating them into playlists seems like a benign use of music-aware ML models.
- marcus_holmes 6mo agoMusic as wallpaper vs music as artistic paintings. We are fine with mass-producing wallpaper with machines. People buy this every day, no problem. We are not fine with mass-producing framed paintings that are "art". Both hang on the wall as decoration. Essentially the same purpose. But we have very different feelings about them and hold them to very different standards. Music is the same. We have muzak - background music that isn't supposed to be listened to, it's just wallpaper. I don't think many people object to this being machine-made in bulk. And then we have music that is art and is supposed to be listened to explicitly. We hold this to a higher standard and expect it to be the product of human creative urges.
- mwkaufma 6mo agoAlternate title: iTunes charts still easy to game.
- jorl17 6mo agoI see many people claiming AI art has no value. I could understand opposing it on an ethical basis. I could even understand it if they claimed that it will dull us out or it just isn't good for the brain, sort of like we can say that tiktok/instagram reels are probably not good for our brains. But to claim that it has no value? Surely my definition of value is just different, and I'm playing semantics. The least-funny of clowns has value if they make someone laugh. The most mind-destroying tiktok/reels have value if they entertain someone for a little while. I'm not saying these are necessarily good things, but they certainly hold value. And AI art, like memes, like instagram reels, like watching paint dry, has value if consumers enjoy it. It has much more value than watching paint dry because many more people clearly enjoy it (and I don't think their brains will rot because of it). Personally, I think AI art enables such a low barrier to entry that obviously we have a big problem with mass production of slop. Things that entertain (again, like tiktok/reels), but are probably not a net-positive for society. However, while I recognize that problem, I know several people who are creating INCREDIBLE art with AI which they would never be able to do. Things that bring tears to my eyes and that are definitely not slop. Even if they are produced in a day, it takes a special mind to conjure up the right things to produce. Faster does not always mean worse (and what even is "good" or "bad" in art??). Tale as old as time. There is an ethical debate to be had about this art being built on the stolen assets that previous artists, using traditional tools, created. I think it's a serious debate and I don't really know how we'll solve it. So if I: 1. Ignore the ethical debate around attribution and, as an exercise, assume that there's "fair compensation to everyone involved" (not so sure if this will happen) 2. Assume we do find a system to properly curate content (which I do actually think will happen -- we will find ways of weeding out the best) Then I absolutely want AI art to succeed. It has enabled so many around me to produce so many incredible things, I can't wait for more chapters in this beautiful history of humanity. Where more people can create more. "1." is a tough ask. We need to figure it out. "2." I think we'll manage, and I guess even if we don't get "1.", then cat's out of the bag and these tools are too world-changing to keep them from being used. I want to see what these amazing creative geniuses do with them.
- banjomonster 6mo agoWhat recommendations do you have for AI artists doing genuinely interesting work, or good places to find them?
- msephton 6mo agoA couple of weeks ago I went to an 'Italian' restaurant. To my surprise, they played a 10-second video loop of an AI-generated stereotypical 'blues' singer with obvious artefacts. The music was a mix of 'blues' with nonsensical lyrics that couldn’t be found online. It was an odd experience. I don't think it was this creation, but it was disconcerting. Felt like Blade Runner isn't too far away.
- zdragnar 6mo agoThere's a fair number of ai generated 1.5 hour or so collections of blues songs on YouTube, and some are actually pretty decent. I suspect the human in the loop guides the lyrics to keep them sensible and the voice from being too muddled, as there's plenty of lower quality stuff too. Same goes for a variety of instrumental stuff. I hate it, and I hate liking some of it, as it is easier to find than quality human produced stuff in some styles and I'd prefer to support analog over digital creation. With that said, there's a blues AI cover of gangsta's Paradise that is pretty sweet played at 90% speed. Again, I wish it was human performed, and I'm continuously conflicted about it.
- msephton 6mo agoI don't mind liking some of it, if it's worthy of praise, but the stuff that was on in the restaurant was just ...nothing.
- supliminal 6mo agoYou were probably listening to this guy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RObuKTeHoxo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RObuKTeHoxo
- msephton 6mo agoThat is almost a Rick Roll. Love it.
- arjie 6mo agoI suspect this is some trick somewhere with purchased views or something. Not that I'm against AI music. I love the various lo-fi / cyberpunk / etc. AI youtube channels. I also enjoy my own suno music. Overall, I'd say AI music dominates my listening these days. It just seems unusual that a lot of people like the same thing. Even the channels on Youtube that I listen to are so prolific (people generate a large amount of music and just stick it in there) that I never go look for a particular track or anything. And there are so many of them that each one only gets a few thousand views.
- hereme888 6mo agoIt kinda makes sense AI music is becoming so popular. We (I'm a suno guy too) are literally providing constant feedback to the models over what they like and don't like.
- userbinator 6mo agoIt just seems unusual that a lot of people like the same thing. The same thing happens with non-AI music too. Artists you've never heard of have songs that suddenly become viral.
- NitpickLawyer 6mo agoYeah, there's this dude, haven't heard anything from him in a long time, but it was somebody that I used to know...
- arjie 6mo agoThat's true, but I've noticed that AI text content is very prompter-focused. Someone once described them as dreams - more meaningful to the dreamer than to anyone who has to listen to them narrated. Perhaps it's just inherent to the fact that textual content is rarely viral at that length. It's a base-rate issue.
- leptons 6mo agoHave you ever been to a live rock show and felt exhilarated during it, feeling connected to the crowd and the musicians and the music? AI won't replace that, and I feel bad for people who won't get to experience it because "AI is good enough".
- paul7986 6mo agoIn high school i started to hear melodies/lyrics pop in my head and it prompted to learn instruments - pursued songwriting dream in college in Nashville (just a hobbyist since). I was initially excited about using Suno -- make the songs how they're heard in my head a reality as my rough garageband demos with me singing isnt how i hear them. Also, people arent excited by singing. Though my excitement wore off as I started to feel uninspired that it now takes zero talent/zero effort to write songs. I took a break from Suno for many months .. attacking everyones slop including my own but my bandmates like my AI songs. Now at practice (80s & 90s music band) we listen and play along to the AI versions and have thrown in two into our setlist. Thus, for me Ive finally found an inspiring human usage of AI music! No text prompter could ever enjoy playing / performing their music in a band and to an audience and receive live human feedback. That's unless they do what millions other musicians have done .. cultivate their talent/musical interest.
- jmpman 6mo agoReminds me of music from Christone Ingram.
- gnarlouse 6mo agoI see music as "the space of all possible 5-second clips at stereo 48kHz 24bit depth". If you think about it, that space contains the intro to Stairway to Heaven and Oops I Did It Again, and the end of either song. It contains every 5-second segment of O Fortuna, plus a previously unimagined O Fortuna Remix with MF Doom rapping the pledge of alliegance backwards. My point is, AI is getting good at searching music space for novel patterns, and that's entirely the point of music, not making a career out of being an alcoholic minstrel with a tour bus. The audience will out the good patterns, and it's up to the musicians or AI companies to serve better patterns.
- dbeardsl 6mo ago> and that's entirely the point of music That's very reductive. Music, like writing or painting, is a medium, not a thing with intrinsic purpose. It can be a means of communication, sharing human experience, conveying emotion, evoking feelings, expressing a story, ...
- krige 6mo agoTo many, the relationship between what was written in the sheet and how it was played by a live performer, day I say virtuoso, is the imporant thing. The human component is the important component. This is entirely separate from pop, which is the junk food of music - cheap, filling, bad for your health.
- jatora 6mo agoI would argue that the human element in music is not an important contributor towards the enjoyment of music for exactly 100% of people. Humans just biologically enjoy rhythmic sounds. We don't care who makes it, we don't care how it is performed live. Those things are just hijacking emotional memory in heightened moments, but that is completely separate from the general natural enjoyment of music. AI music simply drives the same point home that listening to random music does when you are without a care for lyrics or artists (often, and everyone). Your point is asinine. You love a hell of a lot of music besides what you attach to live performance. Everyone does. You do not care about the human component. Unless you want to lie and claim you're some musical purist, this argument is shallow thinking and nothing more.
- CrzyLngPwd 6mo agoI was a big fan of listening to music, long time subscriber to Spotify, would listen to music when driving, when cooking, when coding (Same playlist for 20+ years - Matrix + fat of the land). The last 6 years has been no music. I unsubscribed from everything since I felt music was an intrusion in the moment. I had a quick listen to the "AI singer", and it's soulless, empty, and generic - Which is modern music anyway.
- shevy-java 6mo agoI don't like AI, but either music is good, or it is not. AI can generate good music, I noticed this on youtube. In my local collection I have zero AI songs and I will probably keep at this number, but AI can produce good music too, there is no doubt about this. The question will be whether humans want to rely on AI music. I'd love to say I don't, but ultimately when it comes to music the criterium that I use is whether my brain evaluates the song as good or not, rather than whether it is AI or not.
- thomasfl 6mo agoMy favorite pasttime for the last 12 years, besides reading hacker news, is to make music on my phone, ipad or on my piano. Will I stop making music now that Suno is here? No frigging way. Because I still like to make music. I won’t stop talking either, just because some AI is better at doing conversation about research. If I make enough money on my latest, I will spend more time making music. Some of my music is available om SoundCloud. Most of it is made on an iPhone. https://on.soundcloud.com/lHJN26CwcwtnQzc2CB https://on.soundcloud.com/lHJN26CwcwtnQzc2CB
- sph 6mo agoKeep making music. Here is author Brandon Sanderson eloquently explaining why AI generated slop will never be art: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3uK-_QkOo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3uK-_QkOo tl;dr: the final product is just a receipt of the effort, the sleepless nights, the self-doubt and personal transformation that goes into creating art. They have found a way to automate creating this receipt, without the personal transformation that an artist goes through, a process which leads her to learn more about herself and her place in the world. An artist will find a way to leverage generative slop into this genuine process, but the by-the-bucket gruel generated in seconds from a prompt will always be a simulacrum of the real thing, despite how good it might sound. I am pivoting from sterile software engineering where only product and revenue are the guiding metrics, to others where artistry and this personal drive for self-expression will always be valued, despite the attempts at diluting the field for a quick buck by talentless hacks. The world will always care about Art. It is the most human of instincts.
- yoz-y 6mo agoAuto play has been a way for me to find new music. I stopped using it because now every listen is accompanied by a a nagging feeling that the song that is playing might be AI generated. Now I just go and look for new albums from bands I know I like. I wish there was a pre-2023 filter for the algorithmic feed.
- croon 6mo agoIf the artists have live shows, it's generally a good indication it's not AI (for now at least).
- asimovDev 6mo agoEddie Dalton hologram concert at Coachella
- yoz-y 6mo agoIt’s mainly the mental load that you even have to think about it. I find also that much like junk food, AI music is optimized to be catchy. The initial feeling I get is “yeah this is nice”, but then you realize the lyrics are weird, some words don’t exist, the voice is off…
- deadbabe 6mo agoToday is the worst it will ever be.
- lxgr 6mo ago> The initial feeling I get is “yeah this is nice”, but then you realize the lyrics are weird, some words don’t exist, the voice is off… To be fair, you could say the same thing about at least a few pre-AI pop songs.
- Shorel 6mo agoAnd with all these faults it's still better than Bad Bunny.
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- ornornor 6mo agoI’ve listened to his three top songs on Spotify. They’re practically the same songs with different lyrics. I know approximately 0 music theory and I could tell they’re almost identical.
- l5870uoo9y 6mo agoReminded me of "sitting at a dock of the bay" with tamer lyrics and more bland and monotone. I suspect AI is much better at DJing than actual composing.
- lenkite 6mo agoAre these really the top songs or they have only become the top songs thanks to Spotify pushing them ?
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- l5870uoo9y 6mo agoI can't find any of his songs on Top 100[1], is it another list? [1]: https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/top-100-usa/pl.606afcbb70264d2eb2b51d8dbcfa6a12 https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/top-100-usa/pl.606afcbb7...
- svantana 6mo agoHe/it/they have 7 entries according to this data aggregator, though I don't understand how and why it differs from apple's own chart. https://kworb.net/ww/ https://kworb.net/ww/
- SergeAx 6mo agoI just listened to the top 3 songs of this project out of curiosity, and it feels like the same song. Same rhythmic pattern, same harmonies, same instruments. However, I also listened to several other artists on the chart[1]. They all, bar a couple, are so low effort that they may also be generated by neural networks, FWIW. [1]: https://itopchart.com/us/en/top-songs/ https://itopchart.com/us/en/top-songs/
- nizbit 6mo agoThis reminds of the time Data started performing with the violin…
- piokoch 6mo agoMainstream music was created for a good 20 years using the following process: 1. Do the survey/focus groups to figure out a hot topic for a song. For instance your exploration shows that 300K girls between 13 and 17 years old were left by their boyfriend, so there is a 300K market for a song about that. 2. Find someone or group who will sing the song. Something your target audience will identify. E.g. "rebellious teenager" (take Britney Spears), "we need a group that will attack larger target" - take Spice Girls - we take one black, one white, one Latino looking (doesn't have to be real Latino, obviously), one polite and nice, one impolite. You get the point. 3. Note: singer/group does not need to know how to sing, they need to move reasonably on the scene, the rest autotune and computers will handle easily. So, given the process, AI singer is just a little bit different "music" production process, not so much different from the one used up to date except that you don't need autotune anymore. Luckily there are still people who do music for the sake of doing music and it really stands out as compared to 80% of fodder for listeners that is on YT, radio, Spotify.
- MrThoughtful 6mo agoI actually can relate to AI music better than to music made by humans. I always feel some jealousy when listening to rockstars. Because they get all the action and I get so little. They see the world, are desired by all the beautiful women, earn a ton of money and don't have to work a boring job. With AI music, I know it is just some lonely GPU in a cold, dark datacenter somewhere. Crunching numbers. Just like I do.
- jstummbillig 6mo agoHow can you say that!? Compared to your GPU, you are terrible at crunching numbers.
- pjc50 6mo ago"Not all artists". Very few of them, especially these days. I'm reminded of the old joke about how when Mozart was my age, he'd been dead for ten years.
- anonzzzies 6mo ago> and don't have to work a boring job. Don't have to as they can retire, but as someone who used to be in a professional band (far from a rockstar), I would have end my life if I have to play one of these songs EVER again after playing them 10000s of times (rehearsal + gigs). I cannot understand how anyone does that without being very much drugged up. Especially once you have the money to quit.
- spicyusername 6mo agoThat's an interesting thing to feel. I think if you knew more musicians personally, you would feel different. What you're imagining and the day-to-day lived experience of most real musicians don't exactly overlap that much. So in a sense you're ruining the music for yourself based on nothing but you're imagination. I think a lot of modern life suffers from this problem. Most of us live such walled in lives now, experiencing everything second hand, from a distance. The absence of information lets us fill the gap with anything we want, which ends up being more a reflection of our own psychology than reality.
- rbanffy 6mo agoIsn't it too early in this timeline to have a Rei Toei?
- Aloha 6mo agoI like AI Music, there is some great all instrumental stuff out there.
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- jimnotgym 6mo agoI don't love it, but the record industry is turning out the same identikit rubbish as the AI, so it is no wonder people don't care. I think that is the root of the phenomenon behind Angine de Poitrine at the moment. It is live, it is real, it is different. It is like music waking up from a 25 year rest.
- raxxorraxor 6mo agoOn the contrary, AI music is really good and can absolutely be playful and follow themes. The lines are good, the voices pristine and it can invoke emotion like other titles as well. The latter is a state of the listener in any case. I still don't want to listen to it most of the time. I think in my youth it would have seriously prohibited me from learning an instrument and playing music myself. Today I would skip that and use AI to generate music. What yesterday was playing music yourself and the strange test version of Audio Logic you found on the internet would today certainly just be the next common AI generator.
- krabizzwainch 6mo agoDoes sex and dancing not involve feelings and the soul? Is prostitution not a societal issue worth discussing through song?
- bsenftner 6mo agoYou could say I'm a music snob, big time. I can't stand any of the streaming services, because they only have a small fraction of my favorites (which is variations of discord jazz, often in other genres. I like when music decomposes into noise and then restructures again.) Due to my interest there, I've done a deep hole with AI music generation, not the services, but developing the models and exploring the open weight models being released. There will be quality real art music created by these systems, but not by those that prompt alone. This is a whole new level of instrument, and the levels of control beneath are there to seriously transform one's thoughts to music, and melody, and that composed symphony of separate elements into a symphony of intended meaning. Perhaps traditional music and this form of music should be treated separate. The distinction between AI music that is prompt-only and what can be created from a deeper set of controls is immense, and is not distinguished at this time, and may never be with how surface level this entire public assessment of AI music happens to be.
- jb1991 6mo agoMy take is that it will be somewhat similar though perhaps more complex to using sample based libraries, whether it’s for electronic music, symphonic loops, etc., I feel like this will just be the next generation of that kind of music making. I find it very unlikely that it will replace the kind of music making that comes from playing actual instruments and recording them from a live human player but it could still be interesting in its own right.
- Lio 6mo agoThis looks like a great way to launder money. Write some generic AI music, have have your small accounts using stolen giftcards bought with dirty money pump the track and watch it climb the charts as other jump on the band wagon. Et voilà instant layering with no connections. I'm pretty sure this is exactly how all the music I don't like gets into the charts. :P
- danielEM 6mo agoYou saying it like there are no other easy ways to launder money. Every time I walk by a cleaning service or hairdresser in a less dense populated area I wonder if they are involved in money launderinng.
- IAmBroom 6mo agoYou saying it like those areas don't need cleaning or hairdressers.
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- Lio 6mo agoUndoubtedly! I haven't trusted hairdressers for 20 years. I have no idea why people would need to spend money in such establishments. :P
- dan-bailey 6mo agoNow those old-timey photo places in every mall in the U.S.? Definitely a money-laundering front.
- DroneBetter 6mo agoi've seen a a where three barbershops were a stone's throw away from each other, with a few houses between them on a street in an (only moderately dense) residential area with no carparks anywhere nearby, and wondered how that could possibly have arisen (since they'd detract each other's customers, and laundering operations wouldn't make it so blatantly obvious). and the same occurs with phone(-repair)-and-vape shops in shopping areas (which I guess are somewhat more understandable, since they only require one employee present each and do get footfall, and the cost to rent a shop has imploded since the coronavirus hit the final nail in the town centre's coffin)
- deadbabe 6mo agoA decade or two from now your children will be dropping thousands of dollars to go to a concert to hear AI generated music from an AI generated artist.
- andruby 6mo agoAnd they'll "go to" the concert at home with their VR headsets
- deadbabe 6mo agoNo way, even in this future VR still won’t catch on with the mainstream.
- raxxorraxor 6mo agoAnd the parents will scream that they need more healthy hobbies and they should use a real screen instead.
- jimnotgym 6mo agoYou can stop this in its tracks. Go on KEXP, find a new band you like, share it with your friends, buy a physical copy, buy a t-shirt, book tickets, like their stuff on socials. Watch the record companies flock to real bands. For the second time on this thread, start with Angine de Poitrine. Live music is the antidote.
- ricardonunez 6mo agoI agree. When I had my kid I stopped going to concerts because of parenting, time, etc. Last year I went to the Warped tour and discovered some new bands, it changes the whole experience and my joy for music and discovering new bands like when I was young. I have listened to some AI music as a curiosity and the only way to describe it, it is soulless.
- mkprc 6mo agoIt appears Apple/iTunes has already responded. He's no longer on the Top 100: USA list: https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/top-100-usa/pl.606afcbb70264d2eb2b51d8dbcfa6a12 https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/top-100-usa/pl.606afcbb7...
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- mt18 6mo agoChart rank is mostly distribution and playlist economics—treating it like a referendum on whether people prefer AI vocals is the real industry coup.
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- wr639 6mo agoI've heard vinyl and CD's are making a comeback. Hopefully this is one of the reasons for this.
- bdavbdav 6mo agoIt’s really odd to listen to - the vocals seem like they’ve been recorded at a really low nitrate.
- _the_inflator 6mo agoI really don't get it. Mundus vult decipi. Since the Monkeys we all know, there won't be another Elvis Presley - I advise you to look him up, it is massively impressive, what this guy achieved and what records he holds. Or put another way: what is music? What ain't artificial in music? Is a drum already artificial? Or an e guitar? Playback? Studio music? The divide between a band and a song writer? People trashed techno music in Germany during the early 90th as being "machine music without a soul, totally artificial, a computer is doing everything". Kraftwerk on the other hand, was quite the opposite. It is mind blowing, that they had to construct the hardware they were getting their sound of. But no matter what, techno of the 90th appear to be true craftsmanship in comparison to todays music. Like the 30th Big Bands vs 60th Rock music. I don't imply to say "Everything used to be better." Nothing could be further from the truth. The thing is, some things actually never change except for the medium. I stopped caring. We are all victim and perpetrator at the same time. You use AI - oh well, cheater I would say. Women painting their faces - well... Ever since people went un-natural to be civilized to paraphrase Karl Popper. I made a cut off regarding literature. I mainly read the classics where no AI was available - but only an editor. It is tougher than ever but I stopped being judgmental. I try to do, what is expressed with "The bait must appeal to the fish, not the angler." Mundus vult decipi. We called out WWF for being scripted entertainment while going to the cinema expecting that the hero would actually really die during the first dramatic 5 minutes in the movie - oh well... Enjoy! If it sounds good, who cares? If someones earns a buck, so what? We pay for Naked Canon etc. just to let lose. :)
- mskogly 6mo agoCant see any on top 100 usa. Fact check please. https://music.apple.com/no/playlist/top-100-usa/pl.606afcbb70264d2eb2b51d8dbcfa6a12?l=nb https://music.apple.com/no/playlist/top-100-usa/pl.606afcbb7...