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I can't upgrade to Windows 11, now leave me alone
- spencerflem 10mo agoI love the phrase I heard recently: “software developers don’t understand consent” It describes so much
- baal80spam 10mo agoSales people don't understand it, not software developers.
- hulitu 10mo agoSee Windows and Android. Blaming only the sales people is ... not helping.
- bigyabai 10mo agoBlaming the sales people is correct. Technically-minded people likely do know better, they just lack the authority to override the top-down administrative decisions.
- spencerflem 10mo agoI’d like to think that but the AI ppl on this website are something else
- ghostly_s 10mo agoThese problems are rampant enough in the OSS world too, never heard of an open source salesman.
- paradox460 10mo agoRms?
- Blackthorn 10mo agoWhich one invented "ask me again later" dialogs?
- mikestew 10mo agoSales people, and that shit rolled downhill to the devs. The days of devs writing dialog text in something like Windows are long gone.
- heelix 10mo agoWhat is the difference between software and car sales? The car sales knows when they are lying.
- canyp 10mo agoIf you are a software developer and you implemented that without question, you suck.
- kotaKat 10mo ago[flagged]
- kgklxksnrb 10mo agoWhen I, as a developer, was told (essentially forced if I wanted to keep my job) to implement dark patterns, I did it knowing I made the world worse. I was fully aware of it, and my coworkers as well, we discussed it openly, and I imagine everyone implementing such tech are. Of course I and other could claim plausible deniability, ”we didn’t understand consent”.
- Telaneo 10mo agoI hope one day there will be pushback on this from people like you, but when your boss has an economical stranglehold over you, not to mention the old adage 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it', it's understandable why we're in this situation.
- ThrowawayR2 10mo agoSoftware developers understand consent well but they understand dollar signs even better.
- drnick1 10mo agoThe Penguin is calling.
- mystraline 10mo agoExactly. Upgrade, to Linux.
- claysmithr 10mo ago2026 year of the linux desktop
- baal80spam 10mo agoAny year now!
- WXLCKNO 10mo agoI've always dual booted windows with some Linux and used it like 90/10. I haven't even tried windows 11 even though my PC is compatible. Went full Linux and I'm not sure what I was missing at this point that I needed from Windows. Ran Pop OS (cosmic) which is the new Wayland based one but unfortunately it's still buggy and then I switched to a gaming focused Linux called Bazzite which has been perfect. Tiny learning curve because it's an "immutable" OS but have everything I need running on it plus everything gaming related works out of the box.
- brokencode 10mo agoI’m really hoping Steam Deck keeps on pushing game makers to support Linux. It’s really gotten a lot better, except for competitive games that need most types of anti-cheat. If Linux supported all the games I wanted to play, I would ditch Windows on my home PC.
- brokencode 10mo agoI ran Linux on my laptop in college over a decade ago and it worked great. It just depends on application compatibility and to a smaller extent driver support, though that shouldn’t be a problem for an older laptop.
- petcat 10mo ago> at this point a Windows machine only belongs to you in name. Microsoft can run arbitrary code on it. I get what the author is trying to say, but...like... obviously?
- souenzzo 10mo agoI mean, the free software community has been saying this for 40 years now.
- voidfunc 10mo agoI mean.. how is this different from any OS distribution? Apple can push whatever. So can Red Hat or Ubuntu or Gentoo. Unless im literally running Linux From Scratch im at the mercy of maintainers to do whatever they want.
- undersuit 10mo agoProvide a way to show that your compiled code is what you say it is. https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds
- MarsIronPI 10mo agoBut where does the original compiler come from? Reproducible builds are only as good as the compiler used to compile them. That's the point of Trusting Trust. If you build with a backdoored compiler and I reproduce your build with the same backdoored compiler, that solves nothing. This is why full-source bootstrap is important[0]. [0]: https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-building-from-source-all-the-way-down https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-...
- Dylan16807 10mo agoIt would be very very hard to actually accomplish something like that on mainstream x86/arm compilers. And hide it from every debugger in the world. If it diminishes the value of reproducible builds, it's by something like 1%. > Reproducible builds are only as good as the compiler used to compile them. Which is so so so much better than "as good as nothing".
- TekMol 10mo agoLinux
- Fairburn 10mo agoBlock updates, remove bloat via PS scripts. Done.
- self_awareness 10mo ago> I also paid for a pro version of the OS. Yep. And you got what you've paid for. Look at it. This is "pro" now.
- rspoerri 10mo agodisable tpm in the bios
- andrewstuart 10mo agoSatya Nadella really nosedived Windows.
- stevenjgarner 10mo agoI disagree. I think his intention was to maximize shareholder value which he has done dramatically by making the user the product being sold. Microsoft stock has soared even at the expense of Microsoft shedding users. Satya has realized the true value of Windows as a revenue platform. It never was a competitive operating system. From my earlier comment to another Windows post: Windows 11 has transitioned from a standalone tool into a digital storefront that prioritizes recurring revenue through aggressive prompts for Microsoft 365 and OneDrive subscriptions. By mandating cloud-based Microsoft Accounts, the OS effectively anchors your identity to a marketing ID, allowing the company to track behavior and monetize your data. The interface now functions as an advertising platform, injecting "recommended" apps and sponsored content directly into the Start menu and search results. Ultimately, this shift means users are no longer just customers of a product, but recurring assets whose attention and telemetry are sold to sustain Microsoft’s ecosystem and maximize shareholder value.
- wvenable 10mo agoI disagree. Satya doesn't give a crap about Windows; he's the cloud guy. Over 40% of Microsoft's revenue is cloud. Another 20% is office (which is also heading towards cloud). Windows revenue is a measly 9% -- even less than gaming. Windows is what it is because it's really not important to Microsoft to anymore. It's effectively unmoored from the rest of organization and left to fight for some kind of financial relevance in an organization that doesn't care about it anymore.
- bigstrat2003 10mo agoThere's something deeply wrong with Microsoft if they look at 10% of their revenue and go "meh, we don't care about that". I get that it's not the majority, but that doesn't mean it is to be scorned either. 10% is a very hefty chunk of one's income (I would be pretty upset if my salary got cut by 10%, for example), and with an organization Microsoft's size is a huge amount of money in absolute terms.
- Animats 10mo agoWhy would anyone want to buy a new computer now unless the old one is worn out? There is no price/performance improvement. Nor will there be for the next five years or so. NVidia says to expect 10% price increases each year. DRAM prices have doubled, and Samsung says not to expect price cuts. Micron just exited the retail RAM business. Microsoft is trying to escape this trap by pivoting to Windows as a subscription service. It will get worse, not better.
- markus_zhang 10mo agoMy only complain is that nowadays laptops are usually poorly built, so unless one purchases an expensive guarantee, anything beyond the default guarantee is not guaranteed.
- cm2187 10mo agoAnd the manufacturers are in a quest to remove as many keys as they can from the keyboard. Like you can hardly find any light laptop today with page up/down keys anymore. Why?.... Haven't these guys heard of keyboard shortcuts?
- gmponyo 10mo agoDo yourself a favor and start using Linux on both machines.
- 1970-01-01 10mo agoI've been running Win11 without a TPM for 6 years. Saying you can't upgrade isn't the same thing as Windows saying you can't upgrade. Knowing your OS seems to be a lost art. I'm not dismissing the valid complaint, but the title is empirically wrong clickbait.
- tartoran 10mo agoWin11 was released at the end of 2021. What were you running for 6?
- 1970-01-01 10mo agoTried it when it was Win10 with a fancy name. Never had an issue with TPM or any other hardware requirements. https://betawiki.net/wiki/Windows_11_build_21242_(rs_prerelease) https://betawiki.net/wiki/Windows_11_build_21242_(rs_prerele...
- Santosh83 10mo agoThe only Hard requirements are a CPU with SSE 4.2 and POPCNT. Win11 will simply not install on older CPUs. The rest of the requirements can be bypassed but Microsoft will block you from the annual major feature upgrades. You will have to do those manually too. They also claim that your stability and performance on pre-8th Gen CPUs will be degraded and they will give no support, but in reality it runs just fine. Win11 is sluggish on all CPUs anyway.
- prmoustache 10mo agoJust use something else and stop whining.
- markus_zhang 10mo agoThere must be a way to disable this thing. Maybe we can disable the service? But anyway I already switched to Linux for my daily usage. It is not smooth as Windows due to driver issues and other weird things, like Firefox crashing frequently when I’m typing in a text box like this one, but still feels better than Windows. The Windows team and its product manager is determined to trash the product. Good work!
- ivanjermakov 10mo ago> There must be a way to disable this thing. If Windows had a slogan, this would be it.
- edg5000 10mo agoIf you are on Nvidia hardware, make sure to use a distro that makes it easy to install the proprietary Nvidia drivers. In Ubuntu, just open the Additional Drivers tab and the rest will be self-explanatory. For other platforms, ask an AI.
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- prmoustache 10mo agoIn late 2025, there are plenty of alternatives: Linux FreeBSD NetBSD OpenBSD DragonflyBSD Haiku Plan9 Redox ReactOS Debian Gnu/Hurd FreeDOS Genode SculptOS And probably some others I haven't heard of. Using Windows in 2025 AND complaining about it is complaining about a self inflicted wound.
- Tempest1981 10mo agoI think it would be less daunting for many if there were 1 or 2 popular alternatives to rally around. Including window managers / desktop environments. (Granted, it's nice they can all coexist peacefully.)
- dullcrisp 10mo agoI think Linux is the most popular of the alternatives listed.
- xeromal 10mo agoHow do I download linux
- Tempest1981 10mo agoYep. Top search result was this, amusing: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install But 2nd was this: https://www.linux.org/pages/download/ https://www.linux.org/pages/download/ It shows 24 distributions, but no newbie guidance. Maybe a wizard UI would help, vs the open-ended "Explore different Linux distributions and find the one that fits your needs"
- dullcrisp 10mo agoLooks like from https://github.com/torvalds/linux/archive/refs/heads/master.zip https://github.com/torvalds/linux/archive/refs/heads/master.... but you could also try Ubuntu.
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- ChrisSD 10mo agoIt's beside the point of the article but... > The hardware limitation is specifically TPM 2.0 Almost every even half decent CPU made in the last decade does have TPM 2.0, albeit for some strange reason OEMs used to ship with it disabled. You may be able to turn it on in the bios.
- derekdahmer 10mo agoMy 7700k, a top of the line CPU from 2017, doesn’t support Windows 11 even though it has TPM 2.0. I had to install using rufus.
- ChrisSD 10mo agoFor sure, there are other hardware requirements a 2017 CPU may fail.
- lachiflippi 10mo agoThis is a massive pet peeve of mine as well. As far as I'm aware there's not a single consumer CPU listed in the Windows 11 compatibility list that doesn't have builtin TPM2.0.
- stevenjgarner 10mo agoMicrosoft users are the product being sold
- j1elo 10mo agoAdding to the enshittified pile of bad decissions that Windows has become, the actual requirements for Windows 11 are just a corporate caprice and not a real "requirement". I did whatever it needed to bypass the checks at install time, and W11 is now working exactly and equally as well as W10 was, on a laptop which only has TPM 1.2 and an old CPU. Where is the requirement then in modern CPUs and TPM 2.0, Microsoft? Didn't you mean "nice to have" so additional but perfectly optional security features could be enabled?
- cellular 10mo agoI'm guessing they'll break it later by actually using said requirement. Then say "i told you so!"
- Dwedit 10mo agoRufus will let you install with a local account even on PCs that don't support TPM, but would you really want to?
- mastazi 10mo agoFor many types of users, Windows is no longer viable. I have friends who work at a .NET shop and most of that team now uses Macs. Unthinkable just a few years ago. Meanwhile, I checked ProtonDB and now 90% of my Steam library is Platinum or Native. So I finally switched my gaming PC to Linux. Microsoft's priorities are elsewhere, Windows doesn't have a bright future.
- seph-reed 10mo agoYeah. It really does seem that Microsoft is giving up on... everything? Like Xbox is kinda out, Windows is not great, and their AI never comes up as meaningful. I wouldn't personally work for them ever. I've only heard bad things about their codebase... and I know people like to complain, but it's usually comedy levels of bad.
- mastazi 10mo agoMy limited understanding is that they are focusing on B2B and short-term milking B2C until it lasts.
- CommenterPerson 10mo agoI ordered a basic Windows laptop, it comes with Windows 11. It's going to be my Linux starter computer. I'm not a computer person. Wish me luck!
- codepoet80 10mo agoI hope you researched Linux driver support for that model first. I share the dissatisfaction with the direction of Windows -- but their driver library is unparalleled. Linux CAN run great on lots of machines, but it has nowhere near the hardware support.
- notKilgoreTrout 10mo agoI've not really seen that much of a problem with Linux drivers being available recently while the quality problem of windows drivers being unreviewed code seems like its partly addressed for central monopolies but still in the peripherals if you'll pardon the pun.
- prmoustache 10mo ago> but it has nowhere near the hardware support. My usb scanner would like to have a word with you. Its last supported driver was for windows 2000 and it still works well on Linux. Hardware support vary between the 2 operating system and new stuff may be supported earlier on windows but I can't say that windows driver library is unparalleled, quite the opposite actually.
- Telaneo 10mo agoThere are only really two big bloches when it comes to drivers these days: Wifi and Nvidia. And even Nvidia at-least works if you've got a modern card, so you won't be stuck with no output, you'll just get worse performance. Wi-fi you really should double-check though if you need that. Some niche accessories also have issues, or at least niche features on those accessories.
- frm88 10mo agoThat may well be the case except for my Kyocera printer. I never managed to get the device to stay online for more than 5 minutes on Windows 10. Wanting to print a letter was actually a hassle taking ~15 minutes. When I plugged it into my Nobara(Fedora) PC it just worked - I didn't even have to specify a driver or anything. It can now even print barcodes. It couldn't with Windows 10, no matter what driver I tried. Also: KB505518 from April 2025 disabled all my USB ports - there was never a fix.
- sam_goody 10mo agoIn Win 11 Home, and want to add a local account and not change it to a Windows account, and not share my stuff with MS. No Cloud or "Backups", thank you. The option to enable a local account was through the command line only. The dark patterns and persausion to convince me not to was off putting. But every time I boot in to have to go through the nag screen is off the wall. It is truly crazy how much I understand the dedication people have to avoid using a unfamiliar system.
- garyfirestorm 10mo agoAnd it’s not just TPM. I have tpm module however they don’t support my Intel 7700K processor.
- dgoldstein0 10mo agoyup. Fixed list of supported cpus. Well, I suppose it grows to include newer CPUs. That said the rufus workaround can work for these - I'm writing this from a machine that's not a supported cpu that I just upgraded to Win 11 with rufus. Runs just fine. Fun fact about my cpu: no cpu with the same socket is supported, so to be officially supported I'd have to also upgrade the motherboard.
- kosma 10mo agoSurprisingly effective solution: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate] "ProductVersion"="Windows 10" "TargetReleaseVersion"=dword:00000001 "TargetReleaseVersionInfo"="22H2"
- markus_zhang 10mo agoJust curious what does it do?
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- ack_complete 10mo agoSets the underlying Registry keys for the Group Policy "Select the target Feature Update version". It tells the Windows Update service to select updates for a specific feature update instead of offering latest. https://gpsearch.azurewebsites.net/Default.aspx?PolicyID=15143#15143 https://gpsearch.azurewebsites.net/Default.aspx?PolicyID=151...
- markus_zhang 10mo agoThank you!
- layer8 10mo agoFor reference: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/159624-how-specify-target-feature-update-version-windows-10-a.html https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/159624-how-specify-targe... It may not work on Windows Home, however.
- bcraven 10mo agoI have been using InControl successfully. https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm
- smj-edison 10mo agoIs it possible to switch an existing windows 10 install to the extended support version? (Can't remember the exact term).
- markus_zhang 10mo agoLTSC. Technically MSFT doesn’t offer them to laymen like us but I don’t think they would care if you pirate them.
- layer8 10mo agoThis worked for me to switch to Extended Security Updates (ESU): https://github.com/abbodi1406/ConsumerESU https://github.com/abbodi1406/ConsumerESU
- shepherdjerred 10mo agohttps://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links
- TiredOfLife 10mo agomassgrave. Even Microsoft support uses that script
- eswat 10mo agoSad to look back years ago when the first mobile apps started adopting this "Remind Me Later"-only dark pattern and is now festering everyday drivers like your OS. Between these and services that suddenly suffer from amnesia and spamming me with marketing notifications and emails after months or years of silence, it’s becoming more tiring to use any service that grows significantly enough where they don’t need to care about what their users actually want.
- dvfjsdhgfv 10mo ago> Sad to look back years ago when the first mobile apps started adopting this "Remind Me Later"-only dark pattern and is now festering everyday drivers like your OS. I can offer a slightly different perspective. I remember Microsoft from the 90s and early 2000s. And while technical details differ, their attitude towards users didn't change that much.
- horizion2025 10mo agoThe worst is when the only 'dismiss'-option is "I will do it later"... even if you have no intention of ever doing it... essentially forcing you to lie. It has been a while since I've seen it though, so that's progress!
- m463 10mo ago[ ] don't show this message again Maybe we will someday have movies about this, alongside the movies where you get a chance to go back back in time to high school and be popular.
- labrador 10mo agoI'm happy with Windows 11 after tweaks to fix it. I certainly sympathesize with Windows 10 users who can't upgrade. But it seems to me Windows 10 users aren't getting the message: Microsoft just isn't that into you. Do you think Windows OS is a profit center, especially after factoring in the cost of security fixes for older less secure releases? I'm guessing not (I don't have the figures) and Microsoft would rather you replace your 10 year old laptop that can't run Windows 11 or run Linux on it. They really don't care which, just as long as you go away and they don't have to support you anymore. I'm not assosciated with Microsoft, just someone who has been using their products for 40 years. I am someone who can read in between the lines, and this is my take.
- VitalKoshalew 10mo agoThere is no free support, e.g. call center agents for Windows 10 users. As for security vulnerabilities in Windows 10, Microsoft is going to continue fixing them until at least 2032 (probably longer with extended support) anyways, as Windows 10 1809 LTSC end-of-life is 2029 and Windows 10 21H2 IoT LTSC is supported until 2032. Microsoft isn't that into you either. With Windows 11 you are not a customer, you and your data are the products.
- labrador 10mo agoMeh. I'm also a Linux destop user on a second machine. I'll completely switch when Windows 11 becomes a problem for me. Microsoft used to be a OS company, but is now a cloud company that offers Linux on it's cloud services.
- CivBase 10mo agoThe author just wants Microsoft to stop harassing him. He's not asking for handouts. He's not even asking to be allowed to bypass the hardware requirements for Windows 11. He just wants to stop getting nagged by Microsoft to upgrade. He could buy new hardware and run Windows 11. But this pattern will only continue from Microsoft. The only way out is to run a non-Microsoft OS (assuming he can).
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- damion6 10mo agoUse Rufus it'll disable hardware requirements, without hassle. You will need an iso. If you know someone with 11 have them download it. Otherwise download the generic.
- vorpalhex 10mo ago...but then you have to use Windows 11...
- gchamonlive 10mo agoOr a Windows 10 installation that won't get security updates. I don't know which is worse.
- makeitdouble 10mo agoWindows 10 can still get updates, for I don't remember how many years. It's a PITA it's not made more obvious, but there are free options, paid options (30$ a year if I remember well), all straight from Microsoft fully supported. Sailing the seven seas for a LTS if the other way.
- gchamonlive 10mo agoIndeed https://endoflife.date/windows https://endoflife.date/windows
- adastra22 10mo agoHad to scroll way too far down through windows gripes to find this, the real answer. Windows 11 will run just fine on your machine, OP. Just use Rufus and a USB stick to do the upgrade.
- dgoldstein0 10mo agototally agree, but it is a bit ridiculous that this workaround is required.
- throwaway613745 10mo agoUltimately, I didn't switch to Linux because I wanted to. I switched to Linux because Microsoft became so actively hostile to me I felt like I didn't have any other choice. No Microsoft, I'm not buying new hardware just to get the new OS. No, I'm not going to let you nag me every single day until I get pissed off enough to. No, I will not tolerate all the little things in your OS that piss me off everyday. Your software sucks. Your filesystem sucks. Your constant nagging sucks. I don't want your cloud TPM security bullshit and I DEFINITELY don't want Copilot or Recall. Seriously Microsoft: fuck you. Giving up being able to play certain games - which require me to install malware into my computer anyway - is a small price to pay to have my sanity and freedom back. I own my computer, not you. Goodbye and good riddance. I already used MacOS and Linux for work anyway. But don't worry Apple, you're riding that line pretty dangerously too - you're gonna be next on the chopping block if you don't get your act together. Framework Desktop is looking like a mighty capable replacement for my Mac Studio.
- edg5000 10mo agoVery relatable. It was so scary when I jumped ship in 2021. It was simply no longer acceptable to stay on such a hostile platform. I was willing to accept a huge downgrade in terms of usability and functionality. It turned out to actually be a lot more pleasant to use. Better software, more software, better performance. Just better all around.
- canyp 10mo agoThe most egregious thing in recent iterations of Win11 is that a fresh installation will basically map all of your home folder to OneDrive. My Documents, My Pictures, My Music, etc. A recent Windows update also told me that I need OneDrive now to back up my files. Yup, apparently you really, really need it.
- __david__ 10mo agoWorse is that the notification for this “error” telling me I couldn’t back up without OneDrive was behind the little dot in the restart/logout menu in the start menu, which (until now) only showed me that updates were required. Now that they’ve infested that notification with ads there’s no reason for me to ever look at it again. Good job, Microsoft.
- matltc 10mo agoThis threw me so hard when I grabbed a cheap laptop from Costco with win11 pre installed. I was saving files to c:/users/me/desktop and then when I opened Desktop in File Explorer, my shit was gone.
- axpvms 10mo agoNow Windows 11 also pops up a scary security notification saying Windows Security found a problem, then when you click on it it tells you that you're not using OneDrive and you should turn that on immediately.
- canyp 10mo agoThey are using the same tactics as scammers: urgency and false claims. Microsoft doesn't even hide anymore.
- Minor49er 10mo agoMy dad has been raving because he discovered that his Windows computer has been uploading all of his pictures to OneDrive. He doesn't remember an option to enable that behavior and can't find any ways to simply turn it off. This is on top of the other nags and sketchy behavior that Windows has been pushing on him normally. He's fed up with it The silver lining is that my dad's finally getting a new Linux machine for Christmas :^)
- Melatonic 10mo agoSwitch to Win10 LTSC iOT if you want to keep getting security updates for many years Bonus is it strips out all the crap and is super fast Downside is a few specific pieces of software refuse to install (for no good technical reason). Adobe Photoshop for example There is also win11 LTSC iOT which I believe might actually install on older hardware that normal win11 will not (don't quote me on this)
- its-summertime 10mo agoI don't know how many years/months/days/hours the author is going to continue using Windows for, but this seems like a perfect task to be "resolved" by AHK, which is probably in the top 10 things Windows users have access to. Worth trying, at least before switching to another source of operating system.
- YY3427394872 10mo agoI wonder how hard would it be to just switch back to Windows 7 for these kinds of cases? Obviously the most ideal solution is to use Linux but there's still some edge cases where Windows is needed or is just preferred. If you install Windows 7 in a VM you'll be blown away by having a simple, clean OS that just runs applications and doesn't shove ads or Bing search into the start menu. And obviously it would be vulnerable to software exploits but if the device is mostly kept offline I can't see many issues with that coming up. Something to think about...
- born-jre 10mo agoI want to experiment with windows PE for that kind of use there used to be lite windows “distro” bashed on pe I used to love playing with
- sylens 10mo agoAt a certain point you’ll lose application support, including from the major browsers and other services like Steam
- layer8 10mo agoI know people who are still on Windows 7, but application support is becoming more difficult, including mainstream web browsers. You can still disable annoyances like in TFA on Windows 10, you just have to dig a bit.
- matltc 10mo agoThat's what you get for running Microsloth Windoze Seriously though, don't get why anyone would voluntarily use, let alone purchase, any windows distro.
- mistercheph 10mo agoUse Linux
- indubioprorubik 10mo agoMicrosoft making advertisements for https://store.steampowered.com/steamos https://store.steampowered.com/steamos ?
- prinny_ 10mo agoI can only hope that this degradation of UX will make more people switch or consider switching to other distributions. It's the only thing that will make microsoft listen.
- bullen 10mo agoMy old 6600 from 2016 is still running fine, I replaced the SSD (Intel 400GB to X25-E 64GB that will last 20 years minimum), the RAM (Micron to Samsung from aliexpress before the price hike... got 8 sticks of 16GB for $40 a pop for backup) and even the old trusty monitor (Both Eizo 5:4 matte VA; mercury tube to led, with f.lux/redshift the blue light is ok). But with a 3050 upgrade from the 1050 and later 1030 (best GPU for eternity if you discount VR) I had in it it's good for another decade. If a game comes out that does not run on it I wont play it... simple as that... 150W is enough. So far only PUBG stutters, what a joke of bloat and poor engineering that game has become... Win 10 improved NOTHING over 7. Win 11 improves NOTHING over 10. YMMV but recommendation is still: do not buy new X86 hardware; do not use new OS/languages. Build something good with what you have right now. Make it so good it's still in use after 100 years.
- some-guy 10mo ago> Win 10 improved NOTHING over 7. Win 11 improves NOTHING over 10. You had me up to this point. The problem is that there are actually quite a few improvements under the hood over those upgrade paths, but they are unfortunately hidden under all of the bullshit. I was an early adopter of Windows 11 specifically because of their efficiency core support over Windows 10 when I upgraded my CPU.
- bullen 10mo agoYou need to look at the cost of improvements, and they overshadow all progress. I'm going linux with TWM (desktop with design look from the 70s) on ARM because M$ is clearly not thinking about the long perspective. We need a stable platform to build quality software. And that's saying alot seen how linux is deprecating libc after very short time and the legacy joystick API is not being compiled into modern kernels anymore. Stability is way more important than bells and whistles.
- anthk 10mo agoYou can use IceWM instead of TWM; it's almost as lightweight and much more stable. Also, if any, CTWM (with the welcome screen disabled) can be as good as TWM but with better features (sticky menus and the like).
- ethin 10mo agoI would happily switch to Linux, problem is it doesn't support the audio hardware I have. And although I've tried to figure out how the drivers get it working on Windows, I can't separate the wheat from the chaff in the 500+ USB packet dump Wireshark gives me :-( Otherwise I'd dump Windows and throw NixOS on this thing and stripe my two NVMes.
- beached_whale 10mo agoMicrosoft with the push to require TPM 2.0, that isn't really required, is responsible for huge amounts of new e-waste. Any green initiative they claim is out the door.
- throw_m239339 10mo agoIt's an eco-disaster but on the other hand there is Linux... at some point people need to take a stand, especially given how crappy W11 is...
- beached_whale 10mo agoIm not going to do the support for my kids not using windows along with the schools using O365 and such. So found a refurb business laptop for them on the one without TPM2. Popped linux on the old one and it went from slow to fast for OS related things and not a terrible machine but snappy. Like, it's a 10yr old i5 but that was enough for sims4, office, and minecraft. It's crazy how much compute performance Windows is taking from its users.
- Aeglaecia 10mo agoto be fair the iot edition of windows ten is also blazingly fast to the point where >10yo thinkpads are perfectly fine for everything outside of gaming ... so id blame microsoft for adding layers upon layers of shit to the os , instead of blaming the os itself
- beached_whale 10mo agothat's picking at what is the OS. Sure, but no one is generally running Windows 10 IoT
- Aeglaecia 10mo agois there a single person in the world that would choose windows 11 over windows 10 iot if microsoft deigned to offer the choice ??
- zeppelin101 10mo agoJust go with LTSC
- AtlasBarfed 10mo agoWasnt there a Google cross app logging framework and request tracking project 15 years ago? Did grafana die when I wasn't looking? Does datadog still make money? What's weird about this article is that it's the same thing being said 20 years ago. Is this a sign of people not learning from the better parts of Java deployment stacks?
- icepat 10mo agoWere you intending to respond in this thread instead? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46346796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46346796
- linguae 10mo agoI miss the days when personal computers were simply tools, akin to pencils and handheld calculators. I remember the days of Macintosh System 7 and Windows 95. No upselling services. No automatic updates. No nagging. You turned your computer on, executed programs, and that was it. On the Windows side, things started going downhill starting with the Windows XP era, and on the Mac the annoyances began sometime in the mid-2010s. It seems Microsoft, Apple, and other companies realized that they’re leaving money on the table by not exploiting their platforms. Thus, they’re no longer selling simple tools, but rather they are selling us services. Yes, there are good Linux distributions that don’t annoy me, and the BSDs never nag me, but the problem with switching to these platforms is that I still need Microsoft Office and other proprietary software tools that are not available outside “Big Tech.” There are other matters that make switching away from Windows and macOS challenging, such as hardware support and laptop battery life.
- jazzyjackson 10mo agoWhat kills me is there seems to be no option for accounting that is acceptable to CPAs besides being held captive paying whatever QuickBooks cloud demands. It's not like dual entry accounting has changed much in 500 years. There are bank integrations and service contracts (notably Apple Card wasn't willing to pay licensing fees for the quickbooks file format, so you simply couldn't syncronize your accounts with your spending, instead falling back to manual import), but they would not make investors happy by merely offering bank connection services (God forbid banks be required by law to offer a web connector that allows you to request your own data. A workaround I've tried is to have my bank send me an email alert on every transaction over a penny, so at least I have a record, but never got around to setting up an auto import from my inbox)
- abe_m 10mo agoI've heard that many times, but the 3 accounting firms I've worked with for my business didn't care what accounting software I used. They were all happy to work with Gnucash so long as I could provide the needed reports, all of which were pre-configured in Gnucash. Two were small firms, but one was part of a major national accounting firm/franchise.
- jokoon 10mo agoI suspect there are cybersecurity stakes regarding win11 and win10, but I am not entirely sure. I think that the spectre mitigation are not a problem in win11 because win11 is not supported on CPU that are vulnerable, which might be a reason they encourage people to get win11 and get a new PC, but that's an unverified guess, I am just trying to get them the benefit of the doubt. SteamOS looks like it might take a lot of the windows cake, but it remains to be seen if they will be able to. So far it doesn't look like SteamOS supports most of PC hardware out there, but it could be a next step for Valve.
- AndyKelley 10mo ago2026 will be Year of the Linux Desktop, at least for Mr. Diallo!
- lloydatkinson 10mo agoI get the sentiment but I find it frustrating when people write complaints like this when they know Rufus boot exists which disables TPM and online only accounts during the install.
- Findecanor 10mo agoUsually, whenever there's a workaround for something with Windows, you'll never know until it happens how long it will take before a Windows update makes the workaround ineffective. Is Rufus any different?
- jasonvorhe 10mo ago> It's one thing to be at the forefront of enshittification, but Microsoft is now actively hostile to its users. Haven't lived under a rock until now must be relaxing. I really hope this mess will lead to a significant uptick in Linux usage though. That would be a great effect. Unfortunately, most people will either adapt or go with macOS and be in a similar spot in a few years.
- foobarchu 10mo agoFor what it's worth, a lot of the crowd who used to want to but we're hamstrung by the garbage support for games on Linux are now actually switching since Steam has essentially made it "just work" via Proton. The final real blocker for many people is finally gone this iteration of the cycle. I myself have fully switched to Endeavor for my personal desktop, though I still use a MacBook for work (as I have for 17 years now, if you include college). It's been a surprisingly seamless experience, I highly recommend it over Ubuntu-based distributions, especially for Steam (I was a former Mint adherent but the general stability has gone way downhill).
- tim333 10mo agoI find macOS a pretty good compromise. I guess if it got too annoying I could go Linux. I use Word/Excel a lot but am fine with old versions - none of this 365 nonsense.
- yoan9224 10mo agoThe TPM 2.0 "requirement" is mostly artificial - you can bypass it with Rufus and Windows 11 runs fine on older hardware. But that misses the point. Microsoft is using aggressive dark patterns (undismissable upgrade prompts) to force hardware obsolescence and create e-waste. This isn't about security - it's about maintaining the upgrade treadmill when performance improvements have stalled. The real issue is consent. Users should be able to say "no" once and have that decision respected. Instead, we get daily nagging designed to exhaust users into compliance. This is the opposite of user-centric design. Time to consider Linux seriously, or at least Windows 10 LTSC IoT which has support until 2032.
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- hilbert42 10mo agoThe fucking hide of Microsoft, we need a class action to sue them for harassment.
- hilbert42 10mo agoFucking hide of Microsoft, we need a class action to sue them for harassment.
- inatreecrown2 10mo agowell and clearly written, and I feel the same about windows. to the author: maybe it is us that should leave windows alone.
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- mouselett 10mo agoI had the same frustrations recently with my MacBook Pro, with macOS constantly telling me about Tahoe despite OCLP--which I used to patch my unsupported Mac to Sonoma--currently not supporting that version of macOS. These notifications aren't able to be disabled, just like in Windows--trust me, I tried to do that. They irritated me so much, that I've actually taken to installing Ubuntu on the Mac just so I can avoid seeing them.
- phacker007 10mo agoUse Linux hehehehe
- nfriedly 10mo agoI used Rufus to make a Windows 11 installer USB drive that bypasses the TPM check and online account setup and a couple of other things. I've been using that along with O&O Shut Up 10++, and Firefox with uBlock Origin to refresh computers for local folks. With the "requirements" check bypassed, Windows 11 actually runs on the Intel 1st gen Core i-series and newer, as well as any Ryzen CPU and, I think, a couple of earlier AMD generations. (It requires the popcount instruction, which isn't present on the Core 2 and older.) Anything older gets Windows 10 IoT which gets updates until 2032.
- 50208 10mo agoWish there was a link to this ...
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- nfriedly 10mo agoRufus: https://rufus.ie/en/ https://rufus.ie/en/ How-to guide: https://windowsforum.com/threads/how-to-install-windows-11-using-rufus-bypass-restrictions-and-create-local-account.348702/ https://windowsforum.com/threads/how-to-install-windows-11-u... Alternative options that don't involve any third-party software: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/2121461/install-windows-11-without-secure-boot-on-an-unsup https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/2121461/... O&O ShutUp10++: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 Firefox: https://www.firefox.com/en-US/ https://www.firefox.com/en-US/ uBlock Origin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin...
- BLKNSLVR 10mo agoOne of the reasons I made the jump to Linux was the level of effort it took to disable all the shit that I don't want Windows to do. It became easier to just install Linux (Ubuntu, PopOS) and not have to futz with configuration to turn a bunch of unnecessary 'default on' stuff off - just get on and use the thing. Yay Linux.
- dangus 10mo agoWindows 11 came out FOUR YEARS AGO. It’s time to let this subject die. They’re harassing you because in not too many years, connecting your computer to the internet on their OS will be dangerous. They’re trying to save you from yourself. And, quite reasonably, they don’t want to patch an OS that debuted 10 years ago so that it supports your hardware that’s even older than 10 years old. It’s time to get over it. You’re using a commercial OS that you likely haven’t even paid for since Windows 7 debuted 20 years ago and that vendor needs you to at least upgrade to a still-pretty-shitty-and-old used laptop to remain compatible. You’re free to switch to something else like Linux and, frankly, if you’re at the point of writing redundant blog posts of the same subject we’ve heard all about for the last 4 years, you definitely should. I did! And pretty much all of my Windows stuff runs on Linux effortlessly including and especially games. Or you can disconnect from the Internet and kill the nags with some group policy stuff. As a bonus, being disconnected from the internet will stop these blog posts.
- greatgib 10mo agoThis popup just tells you to switch to another OS, more respective of you as an user...
- russfink 10mo agoTen years old laptop? Pretty sure it has a TPM 2.0 on it.
- CivBase 10mo agoI also have a 10 year old laptop with no TPM 2.0 module. It was pretty high end for the time too (Dell XPS). I haven't needed it for much in recent years, but it still runs perfectly fine and I'm happy to continue using it if the need arises again. Sounds like I'll have to switch that over to Linux like I have all my other PCs.
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- silexia 10mo agoI have this problem too, Microsoft is a terrible corrupt organization now without Bill Gates.
- Minor49er 10mo agoExcuse me, but what? Do you not know of the reputation Microsoft had with Bill Gates? Embrace, extend, extinguish?
- Nursie 10mo agoI upgraded to windows 11 as soon as it was offered. Even went out and bought a tpm addon for my motherboard - not that I needed one 100% but activating the onboard one on Zen 3 at the time was thought to cause stuttering… Anyway, why would I do that? Well, I got windows free at some point, a lot of years ago, and I am happy enough to jump through a few hoops to keep that going. I don’t use it day to day, I’m not sure why anyone would. I use MacOS and Linux as daily drivers. But once in a while there’s a game I want to play that’s not that Linux-friendly, and there’s windows up to date and supported, without MS getting another cent out of me since about 2009. What’s not to like?
- stuckkeys 10mo agoI been using windows 11 Enterprise for home use. No bloatware.
- eviks 10mo agoThese nags are very disrespectful indeed and widespread, Apple also sometimes has undissmissable iOS upgrade label (liquid glass, leave me alone!) Though you can bypass tpm requirements if you want to upgrade to win11, and also can switch to ltsc Win10 version for a few more years of support
- tw600040 10mo agoNeed a suggestion, and thought might as well ask here. I use a Mac now. Last windows was more than 15 years ago and now I want to try Linux. which version would you recommend? should I go with Ubuntu or Debian or Mint or something else? I am not a tinkerer. I want something that just works, on the lines of a Mac.
- Gud 10mo agoProbably Manjaro or Ubuntu. And in my experience, nothing “just works”.
- kenjitamurako 10mo agoThe single stupidest thing people new to linux do is try to install it on random hardware and expect it to just work. Mac has the hardware idea right where all of their hardware is thoroughly vetted against their OS so practically no one runs into issues. To get something similar on Linux you'd need to buy from a vendor that offers their OS preloaded with Linux. Kubuntu Focus, System76, Tuxedo, are the ones that focus on Linux and Framework, Lenovo, and Dell offer linux as an option and at least support it.
- edg5000 10mo agoUbuntu. Pay close attention; the normal Ubuntu is what I consider beta. The Long-Term-Support (LTS) variants of Ubuntu is what I consider the normal Ubuntu, which should always be used except maybe when working on Ubuntu components as a developer. This will save you a lot of pain down the road.
- jjaksic 10mo agoLinux has made an insane amount of progress in recent years. Atomic distros like Bazzite and Aurora are so polished, modern, easy to use, and virtually unbreakable. Even most Windows games work perfectly out of the box (often better than on Windows). Anyone who tried Linux in the past and wasn't happy, should take another look. These distros are so incredible it's hard to believe. Meanwhile Windows has been getting worse and worse. Completely unreasonable and unnecessary hardware requirements, spyware, constantly running antivirus and other processes you don't want, forced updates and reboots, shoving AI down your throat. In other words, you pay money to have a worse experience and less control over your own PC. I've been ideologically opposed to Windows for a while, but a few years ago Linux required many trade-offs and compromises, to the point I wouldn't have recommended to most people. But now things are completely different and I would happily recommend it to anyone except those who have a hard requirement for MS software (or Adobe).
- haskellandrust 10mo agoOkay, I’ll bite. Tell me the linux laptop to get, and the distro to use. Cost is no issue, but suspend/hibernate has to work and so does fractional scaling. Also WiFi.
- JoeBOFH 10mo agoI have an Acer Predator Helios 16. I have been running Kubuntu on it for around a year with almost zero issues. The only one I had was issues with secure boot and Nvidia drivers. I play WoW, Helldivers, and a bunch of other smaller games with no issue.
- lhaussknecht 10mo agoPicked up a Framework 13 for my daughter for Xmas. She’s a politics student, so she needs a solid keyboard. I hate installing Windows on this hardware, but she absolutely relies on Office and Citavi. Plus, proficiency in Windows is a standard requirement in her field. Maybe she'll discover Linux eventually!
- edg5000 10mo ago> absolutely relies on Office You mean "absolutely relies on being able to work with Office formats". Which most Linux distros do well out of the box. I'm not aware of any feature that LO doesn't support, although admittedly I usually exchange PDFs. > Citavi According to the WineDB page for Citavi:, "native Linux alternatives include: - BibSonomy / PUMA - JabRef - Mendeley - Zotero - Colwiz" Of course when going through education you don't want to take risks, there is a lot on the line. But it may be worth to play with the alternatives a bit, albeit on a VM or something. Of course maybe the Citavi format needs to be exchanged; that could actually be a problem. Annoying.
- lhaussknecht 10mo agoSure, it's doable, and I'm on Linux desktop as well and not missing anything. She never had a computer other than her iPad. So it's hard (for me) but for her it's the best solution right now.
- manmal 10mo agoOur kids‘ school received some old surface laptops for free through some initiative. I‘ve been tasked to take care of them. And of course, WiFi mysteriously stopped working for all of them, after ca 1 week of use. It turns out that a recent Win11 update bricked the network adapter. After some digging, it is this problem: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4378104/marvell-avatar-wireless-network-controller-turns-o https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4378104/... I‘ve tried: - Uninstalling the update and disabling updates for 5 weeks. But Windows just decided to reinstall the update after 2 days. Bricked again. - Disabling fast start. This reactivated itself the next day. - What finally worked, was disabling hibernation entirely.
- Walf 10mo ago>The terms and conditions are simple. Every time you perform any network access, you have to send a copy of the payload and response back to my server. Either that, or you're in breach of my terms. That's not how contracts work, at all. MS hasn't bought anything from him, nor was he able to require them to agree to anything in order for him to install the OS.
- jongjong 10mo agoI switched to Linux about 10 years ago... I used to keep a partition on the side for Windows for dual-boot... But nowadays I just wipe my drive clean! With my latest computer, I noticed that some kind of boot protection was added in the BIOS which made it harder to install Linux from USB... I had to disable the safety mechanism in the bios before it would let me boot... It's a shame because, at a glance, I actually thought the Windows UI had improved since the last version a few years ago which was appalling... But yeah I hate Windows' coercive approach. This is why I was never an Apple fan. I hate how Apple keeps trying to hide the underlying hardware like the file system and external (non-Apple) devices. These companies are basically PsyOps in my view. There are many better free (open source) alternatives available where you actually own the OS. I don't understand how people can stand renting inferior software for 10x the price as owning a better alternative. It's like if I offered people to rent a Ford car for $20k per year or get a free Mercedes Benz, and 90% choose to rent the Ford because it feels familiar and their friends also rent a Ford... What is wrong with people? There is something seriously wrong with people. It's like someone (or something) hypnotized them. Are we sure we don't have ASI controlling people? This is not normal. This is like; what kinds of people are trying to accumulate fiat money nowadays? There's nothing behind it. It's just digits inside a bunch of different databases without any consensus between them and where the government can create unlimited digits for free. Something wrong with people.
- notorandit 10mo agoI switched to Linux (Slackware, Gentoo, Kubuntu, Arch Linux) some 22 years ago. It has been a pain and sometimes I still get issues. But I am grateful my PC basically does whatever I ask it to. A desktop PC lasted 10 years before dying. A laptop another 6 years. No NAGs, no service subscription. And no ads from software (browser sometimes excluded), no nothing. I could still install it on a very old machine, with some extra work needed, I could still use less than 1GB RAM. So I am grateful, despite some extra work is sometimes needed. Nothing is really free. It's a matter of tradeoffs.
- EmptyCoffeeCup 10mo agoThe "Yes or Maybe Later" dialogue boxes that festoon the internet & Windows 11 need to end - time for another law imo: "No" must always be an option, and notices must not be shown again if this is selected.
- rldjbpin 10mo agolooking at the author's photo in the OP, appears that they own a Surface. if that is the device referred to in the post, it is quite interesting to see that not supporting win 11.
- tracker1 10mo agoYet another reason I'm more than happy I switched my personal desktop use to Linux a few years ago now... After a decade of running Insiders, literally the first time I saw an ad on the Start menu search results, I was out. MS has only been increasingly hostile to users since. Fortunately o265 web versions are pretty capable, including Teams, and most of the development work I've done is not specifically tied to Windows, and even where it is hasn't been too bad in actual business/enterprise environments (beyond typical corporate/govt hinderances). That said, I like what WSL brings to the table.
- hoherd 10mo agoA few days ago I started up an old Windows 10 laptop that I haven't used in a few years so my son could play a game that I haven't taken the time to set up in proton on linux. I was amazed at how much the Windows OS experience seems like an unhealthy relationship where the OS is trying to manipulate you and control you. It feels like it's not even my computer, it's a Microsoft owned kiosk that I'm allowed to partially use. Another really remarkable thing is how cloud connected it is. For instance, the lock screen had online feeds shown. The setting to disable them is on a remote website, not in the screensaver prefs or some other local system pref. That was astonishing, and IMHO absurd. If it hadn't been clear to me before, that made it crystal clear that what MS wants the OS to be and what I want the OS of my personal computer to be are not remotely the same thing.
- maxglute 10mo agoJust give me a side taskbar pls.
- coopykins 10mo agoThe only reason I keep my home PC with windows still is that I use it mainly to play games and some have anti-cheat systems that are not compatible with Linux. But I play those games less and less the older I get, I play mostly older games / emulators. I see it very likely that I won't install whatever comes after Windows 11 and at that point I might move over to Linux for good.
- wkat4242 10mo agoJust grab LTSC, it gets security updates till 2032. It's great! Also less bloat.
- masfoobar 10mo agoThey keep reminding you so you end up buying a new PC with Windows 11. That's all it is. No extra code logic is needed. Just keep pestering the end user with a popup. They don't care for any variations. The goal is to get everyone on Windows 11. This is not 1998 or even 2008. Times have slowly and "progressively" moved on. Truth is you NEVER OWNED a copy of Windows. You always purchased the rights to USE it. Now that technology has improved especially the internet Microsoft have tried to gain more control over YOUR computer. Look at Nintendo and their Switch 2. In their world you do not own it. If they think you are doing something "you shouldn't" they will brick it! Sure, I am not suggesting Microsoft does this with Windows but I am 100% certain this type of tactics has been discussed in high-end meetings. The key here is CONTROL. Today - if Microsoft want to push a program and "encourage" you to use it.. they will install it without any form of consent. Sorry, but if I OWN a computer then I want control with the software installed, including an Operating System. Microsoft has always been a huge '??' in this field and, to me, it is getting worse. I am not even talking about government involvement with the big techs, either. Copilot -- I dont care. This rumour (is it a rumour) that Windows takes photos of your screen every so oftern... NO THANK YOU! I might have to continue using Windows (11) in my job, being given a work laptop, etc. At the end of the day I do not care as its not my laptop and decisions are taken outside my control by specific IT departments. Whatever. At home I am 100% GNU/Linux. It is sooo much faster and programs loads in <1.5 seconds compared to 5-20 seconds on Windows 11. My biggest concern is the future of GNU and Linux. Well, the Linux kernel more so especially when Linus hangs up his keyboard. Hopefully the next guy in charge cares about our Freedoms. Honestly I imagine an alternative world where a corporations takes control. The beauty, thanks to the GPL, is people can branch off an continue their own. Sadly... GNU/Linux MIGHT get infiltrated one day and most of that will be people NOT caring about our FREEDOM. This, in my opinion, is all dependent on the future generations.
- kaotd 10mo agoFeel likes it's MC(Microsoft's Computer) instead of PC(Personal Computer) :/