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macOS Tahoe

• hermitcrab 1y ago
  Does anyone know what Qt 5 or Qt 6 applications look like on macOS Tahoe?
  • rcarmo 1y ago
    OpenSCAD and others look like they did even before Sequoia, with a small corner radius and older control spacing.
    • hermitcrab 1y ago
      It looks like you can make your Qt app look like it did for previous OSes: https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-macos-26-tahoe https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-macos-26-tahoe That might be a useful stop gap.
• atomchild 1y ago
  It's like every macos release. The internet rushes to upgrade to it and then tries to be the first to sh*t on it. Nothing to see here. Winning.
• diebeforei485 1y ago
  I usually wait a couple weeks for the bugs to be worked out before installing.
• WorldPeas 1y ago
  are they giving any hints that in high vis/accessibility modes this will be fully disabled? I've been largely insulated from changes like this for a while by that, if that were to change however, more drastic measures may be needed
• triyambakam 1y ago
  Disappointed with the background image. I was expecting a similar treatment like with Sequoia and previous versions with a beautiful and inspiring scene in nature. Instead it is vaguely inspired by water?
  • jonny_eh 1y ago
    To help highlight the new "Liquid Glass" UI?
    • jen20 1y ago
      Or because Tahoe is a lake?
      • jonny_eh 1y ago
        Both?
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  • bombcar 1y ago
    Is there alternative backgrounds included? Often there are two or three.
    • Aloisius 1y ago
      There are four alternative Tahoe backgrounds/screensavers in Landscape. They're the same shot of the lake at different times of day.
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  • unsnap_biceps 1y ago
    The Tahoe beach pictures are pretty nice. https://mrmacintosh.com/download-the-new-macos-tahoe-wallpaper-desktop-pictures-5k/ https://mrmacintosh.com/download-the-new-macos-tahoe-wallpap... has them at the bottom of the link
• ksec 1y ago
  Any actual interesting changes under the hood other than UI changes? I cant remember the last time macOS release that actually brings any useful feature I use.
  • cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    Spotlight got a major upgrade. It’s notably faster and deeply integrates with Shortcuts (letting you specify input variables, for example) among other things.
    • pants2 1y ago
      Anyone using Raycast has had these features forever. Nice to see some attention on Spotlight but it's still nowhere close to the functionality you get from Raycast.
      • cosmic_cheese 1y ago
        Raycast is interesting but I’m not going to touch it so long as VC funding is involved. Alfred has been doing the job well enough, only requires me to buy a new version a couple times per decade, and isn’t going to become enshittified because there’s no VCs to come knocking looking for a profit.
        • treetalker 1y ago
          +1 for Alfred. I'm a proud Power Pack / lifetime-license holder from the beginning. Very few outfits anymore have the chops to both offer and make good on a single-payment, long-lasting product with frequent and excellent substantive updates. Mad props and three cheers for the Alfred team!
          • cosmic_cheese 1y ago
            It’s insanely tiny and efficient for what it does, too. One of the only apps that’s so small that updates are done downloading within a second or two of clicking “Download”, even on a mediocre connection!
• jazzyjackson 1y ago
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  • Insanity 1y ago
    I think this is just 'sales writing'. As if written for a trailer video.
    • spandrew 1y ago
      Apple used to be like... the standard for how to do this. IMO we're losing a lot of writing craftsmanship across many industries with Gen X'ers retiring
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  • wrs 1y ago
    It's Apple house style. Marketing writes in tiny sentences. Even fragments. Makes the copy more punchy. And it's been like this for decades.
  • Klonoar 1y ago
    Now imagine it being said by someone presenting and doing the same hand pyramid stance that they make every Apple employee in WWDC videos do. All kidding aside, it’s weird to read. Ever since I was a kid, I was taught that beginning a sentence with “And” or “But” is not “correct”. Times change and all that, I get it - it’s just weird though.
    • xanderlewis 1y ago
      The hand pyramid stance. Yes! I find it quite off putting. It feels overly choreographed and fake.
• ddtaylor 1y ago
  This seems like a relatively minor update.
  • jsheard 1y ago
    This is the last ever version with Intel support, right? That's a milestone of sorts.
    • highwaylights 1y ago
      Which is a bit sad. There were some choices that didn’t pan out in the last Intel era (butterfly, touchbar), but part of me loved those changes (the keyboard and the touchbar felt super premium, until you tried to work with them for any amount of time).
    • minimaxir 1y ago
      I'm not sure what I'm going to do with my 2020 iMac in a year. I really want to be able to repurpose that 5k screen but Apple does not make it easy. I might just leave it in perma-Windows Boot Camp.
      • omnimus 1y ago
        I mean the obvious other choice would be Linux. Wayland is pretty good with hidensity screens nowdays.
      • jsheard 1y ago
        If you're up for a project, you can swap the guts of those 5K iMacs for an aftermarket controller board which turns it into a regular monitor. It's a bit janky but a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a new 5K monitor.
• jgbuddy 1y ago
  I really hope spotlight didn't just get ruined
  • highwaylights 1y ago
    I mean it’s gotten bad already, but I think people’s hope is that they fixed it that if I type in a file name I work with all the time it’ll be the first result. At least that’s what I’m hoping for.
    • GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
      that and some kind of weighted memory for search history. i use photoshop almost daily, photos once a month or so, and photo booth once a year, but they appear in reverse order based on alphabetization.
  • theshrike79 1y ago
    "ruined"? It hasn't been able to find anything in years. It's faster to scroll down in Finder than use the search box to locate anything =)
• BruceEel 1y ago
  I'm not quite sure what to make of Liquid Glass, I developed an allergy of sorts to the term while listening to the keynote. Any 'relevant' new features for power users / cmd line geeks that you know of?
  • highwaylights 1y ago
    Not a direct response to your question but (I guess like you) I often find with these releases that the changes I actually care about aren’t flashy enough to even warrant a mention in the presentations or on the main web page. There seems to be some expansion of screen time, finally, but I haven’t been able to figure out what it is yet based on the only *os 26 update I’ve done so far is the public beta on a single Apple TV.
  • downrightmike 1y ago
    I think we'll have to wait for benchmarks to see if this is a leopard or a snow leopard
  • ftigis 1y ago
    https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container is supported from macOS 26
  • kemayo 1y ago
    The changes to Spotlight are fairly power-user focused. There's a lot of enhancements to make it quicker to set up shortcuts within it, and they've added a clipboard manager feature to it. This summary looks acceptable: https://www.computerworld.com/article/4041433/spotlight-is-much-better-in-macos-tahoe-heres-whats-new.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/4041433/spotlight-is-m...
  • al_borland 1y ago
    Apple Notes now supports Markdown import and export. Spotlight now supports actions, so you can do things directly from Spotlight (kind of like Quicksilver back in the day, or Raycast more currently). Your custom made Shortcuts can also be triggered. It’s also context aware, so you can do things for the app/document you’re in. Spotlight also integrates clipboard history. The Terminal gets Powerline glyphs, new themes, and new fonts. The full list of changes is here: https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_macOS_Tahoe_Sept_2025.pdf https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_macOS_Tahoe_Se...
• robin_reala 1y ago
  A reminder, if you dislike the liquid glass look, that going into System settings / Accessibility / Display and toggling “Increase contrast” gets you a properly nice design with actual borders and solid backgrounds. 100% recommended.
  • everdrive 1y ago
    Back on Sequoia, but this is great advice, thank you!
  • cyberpunk 1y ago
    Weirdly, I had that enabled pre-Tahoe and have had to turn it off as it was even worse with it on for me. Everyone’s different I guess :)
  • asadotzler 1y ago
    We're all disabled now. Thanks, Apple.
    • robin_reala 1y ago
      If you use the societal modal of disability as your lens on liquid glass you can see that it’s not you with a disability, it’s Apple disabling your ability to use the system with their design choices.
  • buraktamturk 1y ago
    This settings turns reduce transparency and it turns makes the menu bar gray, which looks horrible on a display on notch. Is there any way to make it black? Like it appears on full screen applications? (apart from enabling the transparency together with a black wallpaper) Currently even on dark mode it doesn't have a black background while reduce transparency is toggled on.
  • nsagent 1y ago
    I initially tried that and thought it improved some things, but it increased contrast across the OS, such that some webpages, including stock HN became too blinding. I instead switched to "Reduce Transparency," but that has its own issues. Overall not pleased. I really did not want to care about the UI changes at all. But having experienced it now, I'm so annoyed I upgraded to iOS 26 and I'm having trouble focusing on the screen. I want WebGPU support, but I'm very hesitant to upgrade to macOS 26 (which is required for WebGPU in Safari).
• pants2 1y ago
  How has Apple still not addressed many basic UI issues, such as menu bar icons disappearing behind the notch with no way to see them?
  • hombre_fatal 1y ago
    And the apps that provide solutions for it, like Bartender, need screen reading permissions which I just can't bring myself to grant.
    • kstrauser 1y ago
      If you really want to use such a thing, switch to Ice. It’s an open source thing similar to Bartender, before BT was bought by a shifty outfit. It still requires those permissions, but at least you can look at the code. I have a paid Bartender license. I liked it enough to pay for it, but don’t like the road it went down and stopped using it. Tahoe lets you selectively remove app icons from the menu bar. I’m going to try that for a while and see if I can tolerate not using Ice anymore.
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  • iambateman 1y ago
    I love my Mac and yes, this is easily the most absurd problem. It happens to me all the time and I can’t believe they haven’t fixed it. Apple…if you’re listening…please fix this.
  • self_awareness 1y ago
    Apparently it's not important.
  • nozzlegear 1y ago
    I think they kinda did? I'm not sure where to look for a link to this info, but I remember watching a YouTube video showing the ability to group and hide menu bar icons in Tahoe so they take up less space (and therefore encroach less toward the notch). Maybe I'm misremembering the video though. (edit) The linked page seems to hint at it: > Personalized controls and menu bar. Your display feels even larger with the transparent menu bar. And you have more ways to customize the controls and layout in the menu bar and Control Center, even those from third parties
• xnx 1y ago
  I had thought Tahoe was the first version to drop Intel CPU support, but it looks like it will be the last version to still support Intel Macs.
  • mikestew 1y ago
    Two of the latest Intel MacBooks, and the last Intel iMac, so technically, yes, there’s still some Intel support in there. My 2019 iMac is one version too old.
  • w10-1 1y ago
    does not support 2018 Mac mini
    • tom_ 1y ago
      Apple have always seemed to drop support for hardware after 5-7 years, and then it's just a question of the last supported OS becoming itself unsupported too. My early 2015 Macbook Pro (new in April 2015) got as far as macOS Monterey (released October 2021) - and they stopped updating that in October 2024. (I'm not digging through Wikipedia to double check but my previous 2 Macbooks Pro felt like they lasted about as long.) It'll be interesting to see if they change this with the (presumably cleaner slate) Apple Silicon-based hardware.
• karlgkk 1y ago
  I'm on the beta right now and a "<<" icon has appeared. It's embarrassing that it took them that long but they have in fact fixed it.
• joshstrange 1y ago
  I'm normally on about 1 year delay on upgrading macOS for a multitude of reasons. I might not wait the full year but something else will have to force me to upgrade within the first few months. I'd heard from people who were running the betas that it's not ready and they are surprised Tahoe wasn't delayed. No way I'm upgrading any time soon to Apple's least cared for OS with a change this big (and this untested).
  • stouset 1y ago
    I'll be honest, I hear this every single time. But I've never delayed upgrading, and I've never regretted it. That's not to say every upgrade has been a strict improvement, but going back to my first Mac at 10.4 (Tiger) I've never wished I had stayed on an older version. We'll see how I feel after going to Tahoe, maybe this will be the one that breaks the trend. Windows, on the other hand…
    • joshstrange 1y ago
      You always have to be moving forward and I'll never say "I'll just stay on Sequoia for forever" but delaying a bit does make life easier. I know I'll eventually upgrade but being there day 1 or even month 1 is not something I'm interested in. There are never new features that outweigh sending my development workflows into disarray or dealing with broken apps. There aren't always huge issues or huge time sinks but I'm happy to let other people be on the bleeding edge and I'll upgrade once the Github issues, blog posts, etc have been created/fixed so that when I upgrade I can easily find solutions to any remaining issues I might run into. Especially with Tahoe, I've heard that some apps are just broken, period, unless the developer makes (sometimes significant) changes to get the same functionality working again (that was working fine in Sequoia).
    • baq 1y ago
      You obviously haven't had firewall issues with EDR software a couple years ago or so. I won't ever touch a .0 macos release again.
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• pacifika 1y ago
  First macOS version I’m holding off on. Just too unusable.
• asdhtjkujh 1y ago
  I should know better, but I'm still surprised they're shipping this version of Liquid Glass. Performance is stable but there are so many UI bugs and inconsistencies that haven't been fixed from early betas, including low-hanging fruit that a second year design student would notice. I don't mind change or interface elements moving around but keynote-level UI overhauls should be fully implemented at launch, otherwise people are stuck using a broken OS for a year. At this point I'm doubtful that these will be addressed in the 26.X updates, so the wait begins for 27.0...
  • thewebguyd 1y ago
    Yeah I shouldn't be surprised this was allowed to launch today, but yet I am. I ran the whole beta on all my devices. Every new beta I'd ask myself "Surely they fixed 'x' by now, right?" and we advanced, beta after beta, with the same bugs and performance regressions all the way up to launch. The icons still need to redraw in the settings app and app library. It's overall sluggish. The drop shadows are huge in the finder and other apps top bar. If you turn on always show scrollbars they get cut off at a weird angle due to the excessive corner radius. My iPhone 16 PM runs hot all the time, even on release now, vs. iOS 18. I don't mind the transparency or glass effects. I actually like it in some areas. But man does it need some serious polish and bug fixing, and a lot of time and effort spent on consistency. This should never have went live in this state. I consider .0 just another beta, really. Actual release will probably be .2 or .3
    • jihadjihad 1y ago
      > I consider .0 just another beta, really. Actual release will probably be .2 or .3 This is good advice for Apple software in general. Always let it burn in for a couple patch releases. Being a guinea pig for Apple is a losing bet.
  • pndy 1y ago
    Heh. I can imagine Cook having his own O'Reilly's "We'll do it live!" moment for Liquid Glass initial backlash. Fixing this mess will surely take a while but then they use that as PR in future keynotes, saying how hard they were working on it.
• rramon 1y ago
  They went way too far with the corner radii and pill shapes imo, looks like a Fisher Price toy. Some inner buttons retained the old radii and don't match the outer window radii anymore.
  • sitzkrieg 1y ago
    totally agree, this is kind of an embarrassing look for supposed workstations
    • OhioMan2943 1y ago
      The humiliation " " "
  • cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    It’s a trend that’s visible in other designs too, like Material 3 Expressive. I’m not a fan of Windows but I believe that probably the best modern UI design system for desktops right now is probably the flavor of Fluent used in Windows 11. It still retains somewhat desktop-like information density, doesn’t go overboard on radii, and has a touch of depth. I’d like to see more design languages exploring in its general direction.
    • bayindirh 1y ago
      I still find KDE superior in productivity, information density and "useful effects" category. Apple still has the best "get out of the way, be invisible" UI. Both are valid ways to approach to a problem, but I like KDE's batteries included, infinitely customizable way better.
      • cosmic_cheese 1y ago
        I think KDE has the right spirit but its execution leaves something to be desired.
        • bayindirh 1y ago
• nicbou 1y ago
  Okay that seems pretty nice. A lot of small improvements to day-to-day use. This is what I want from a desktop OS update.
• 12_throw_away 1y ago
  I swear I don't usually complain about UI styling updates, because it's usually not a big deal - but this looks really, really bad [1]. It's less functional with bizarre transparency choices destroying legibility, and big rounded corners taking up more dead space. And stylistically, the layouts just look unbalanced and amateurish (It reminds me of what happens when I attempt to do CSS layouts). Most Linux desktops unironically look better than this. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/09/macos-26-tahoe-the-ars-technica-review/#toc-h9 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/09/macos-26-tahoe-the-a...
  • cyberpunk 1y ago
    I absolutely hate it. I guess we’ll probably get used to it but until then… gah ugliest MacOS ever?
    • self_awareness 1y ago
      You'll get used to it.
      • reddalo 1y ago
        I'd rather get used to Linux.
        • self_awareness 1y ago
          Do it.
    • rick_dalton 1y ago
      Hoping the next update is the iOS 8 to the iOS 7 redesign and then it'll be fine.
    • throw-the-towel 1y ago
      Don't think of it as the ugliest MacOS ever, think of it as the most beautiful MacOS of the rest of your life.
• brailsafe 1y ago
  Can anyone speak to whether the performance of the Settings app has been improved? In Seq and every version since they redid it in presumably SwiftUI, if you select one of the navigation panes and then hold either the up or down arrow keys to quickly navigate between them, something like a memory leak occurs due to (seemingly) launching all of the nested panes as separate apps (this is what appears to be the case in activity monitor) and the Settings app will start lagging until you fully quit and reopen.
  • smcleod 1y ago
    No, it's worse. Basically it's the same experience but with an uglier UI
  • lynndotpy 1y ago
    The search textbox overlaps with text which scrolls underneath. The search box did not work for a few minutes after updating, but I assume that was a temporary indexing bug.
• crinkly 1y ago
  Running it already. Seems pretty solid. No compatibility issues. UI changes are fairly ok. Glad they got rid of launcher and merged it into spotlight.
  • tkiolp4 1y ago
    Never used spotlight. I have it disabled permanently. I don’t like the indexing.
    • rcarmo 1y ago
      If you ever used Quicksilver, the new Spotlight feels a lot like it.
• IshKebab 1y ago
  Have they got any further on their roadmap to only allowing apps from the Mac store in this release?
  • cassianoleal 1y ago
    What evidence do you have that they are trying to do that?
    • IshKebab 1y ago
      All of the major commercial OS vendors are trying to do that. Apple started it with iOS. Google have gradually been tightening the net. Microsoft are furthest away but they have the longest legacy of freedom so they the furthest to go. Obviously they aren't going to publicly say that's their intent, but you don't have to be a genius to read between the lines. As for why... money and power are pretty big motivators.
      • cassianoleal 1y ago
        Ok, so no?
        • IshKebab 1y ago
          What evidence have you got that they aren't? I don't see why you're expecting some quote from Tim Cook saying "yes we're going to lock down macos in the next 10 years". Obviously not going to happen. The evidence is their actions with gatekeeper, app signing, removing the right-click workaround, etc.
          • cassianoleal 1y ago
            > What evidence have you got that they aren't? I'm sorry, but I can't take this question seriously. The main evidence is that they haven't. I also believe that it would be quite damaging to an important part of their user base. Other than that, you're essentially asking me to prove a negative.
• losvedir 1y ago
  Is that call screening example a new feature or something I can do now that I didn't know about? That's something I've missed since switching from a Pixel to an iPhone last year.
  • kemayo 1y ago
    That's new in the 26 OSes.
• smcleod 1y ago
  I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsistencies everywhere and - well, I could go on. Basically the vibe I get from it is that they think their users are dumb - they won't care about things like this and that they want everything to look like a preschoolers tablet.
  • PlanksVariable 1y ago
    That was my experience with liquid glass on mobile. I’d heard it was bad, thought it couldn’t possible be that bad then tried it and was flabbergasted. Really unfortunate.
  • msk-lywenn 1y ago
    Did you notice any impact on battery life?
    • kcplate 1y ago
      Mine has been fine, literally no perceptible differences on my MBA M4 since I loaded the public beta a few weeks ago.
    • reddalo 1y ago
      I'm afraid for the battery life of my MacBook Pro 2019 (Intel). I'll think I'll never update and just keep using Sequoia until I switch to Linux.
      • luismedel 1y ago
        You're in luck. Your device isn't supported.
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• dsego 1y ago
  Awful cheap UX, cartoonish style with huge padding, lack of structure and hierarchy. The spacing is inconsistent, everything is rounded. The app launcher stutters, the icons load one by one, it flickers each time I do the 4 finger gesture. Why does the volume bubble have tick marks but the one in the menu doesn't? The trash icon looks like the windows recycle bin or gnome theme from 20 years ago, not sure why it's flattened like that.
  • dsego 1y ago
    Oh boy, I opened the settings app to change the wallpaper, the scrollbar gets cut off by the right bottom rounded corner. The wallpapers can be scrolled horizontally and they show up under the side rail (blurred), looks like a glitch, and I still can't resize this window to see more of the wallpapers. They may have fixed the custom color bug though.
  • mhuffman 1y ago
    It really does look like ass on the laptop. Maybe it works on mobile, idk, but terrible on laptop. Also not a good sign since apple is not known for rolling back releases.
    • itopaloglu83 1y ago
      I think this might be the one. Realistically speaking, they’re not going to rollback anything. They even kept and even double downed on that’s stupid photos app redesign on iOS. At least the review sites are making some noise this time instead of parroting Apple’s announcements. They all sold us that awful photos app as the great new thing.
  • itopaloglu83 1y ago
    You explained the design inconsistencies the best. Though I’m worried that instead of fixing the underlying problems, they’re just going to make a bullet list of what people mention here and change those only. Then we’re going to have an OS where no two screens have the same paddings etc. What the hell happened to the Apple design guides. Did all the engineers who read them retire.
• cyberax 1y ago
  They didn't even fix the horizontal resizing in the Settings app. Sigh.
  • dsego 1y ago
    I still need to use the Scroll Reverser because the scroll direction (aka natural scrolling) can only be turned on or off globally, not per pointing device. I love natural scrolling on the trackpad, but it doesn't make sense on the mouse scroll wheel.
    • vehemenz 1y ago
      I use a Shortcut for this because it cuts down on the unnecessary apps. Hammerspoon.app would work too though. tell application "System Settings" activate end tell delay 0.1 tell application "System Events" tell process "System Settings" click menu item "Trackpad" of menu "View" of menu bar 1 delay 0.25 click radio button 2 of tab group 1 of group 1 of group 2 of splitter group 1 of group 1 of window 1 click checkbox "Natural scrolling" of group 1 of scroll area 1 of group 1 of group 2 of splitter group 1 of group 1 of window 1 tell application "System Settings" to quit end tell end tell
• markdog12 1y ago
  Whoa, you can now search clipboard history. Go to Spotlight Search, Command+4. You'll get a list of entries, each with a copy button, and is searchable. Even shows the app it was copied in.
  • merrvk 1y ago
    Wow, didn't realise there was more than one tab
    • al_borland 1y ago
      When you open it for the first time there is a display that tells you all the shortcuts. Beyond that, if you move your mouse while Spotlight is on-screen, it shows the tabs and tells you the shortcuts as you hover over them.
  • bayindirh 1y ago
    At last Apple implemented a decent clipboard history. KDE has this thing for a decade now, I guess... KDE also can encode entries as QR codes, so you can make URLs transferable to your phone or whatnot. -- Sent from my MacBook Air.
    • heavyset_go 1y ago
      If you use KDE Connect, your clipboard history immediately goes to your phone's clipboard :)
      • gazook89 1y ago
        macOS/ios can also share clipboards for awhile now. For KDE Connect, does the phone have to be an Android or ?
        • jcotton42 1y ago
          KDE Connect exists on both iOS and Android, though some functions like text messages aren't available on iOS.
• Bondi_Blue 1y ago
  For a more granular features list: https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_macOS_Tahoe_Sept_2025.pdf https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_macOS_Tahoe_Se...
• burnt-resistor 1y ago
  I, for one, am going to wait a much longer while before installing this. The internets suggests the following disables glass effects: defaults write com.apple.universalaccess reduceTransparency 1
• fair_enough 1y ago
  Shwiggity shwagg, the GA release hath come! Can't wait to write a beamline control application for crystallography on this sumbitch!
  • fair_enough 1y ago
    Whoever downvoted this despite the fact that it was neither factually inaccurate nor disrespectful to another person, congrats on being an incel. P.S. My hot Japanese fiancee thinks you're pathetic too. Her exact words were: チー牛
• asadotzler 1y ago
  Apple no longer cares about disabled people. Transparent UI, with controls sitting on top of arbitrary and changing content can NEVER be legible/discernible. Apple knows this, but fashion was more important than function and they decided, "who cares about disabled people, anyway." Microsoft learned this lesson back in the Vista era but Apple's charging ahead with this terrible set of changes that will literally disable millions of users, people who will need to visit the accessibility settings to reduce the transparency. It's a sad day when a company that has often lead in accessibility ships the least accessible OS in modern history. I guess it was a nice run having a Big Tech company to point to as a good example of doing various accessibility things well. Damn.
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  • commandersaki 1y ago
    I've been submitting endless feedback about how Liquid Arse breaks dark mode during the beta. I keep seeing dark text on dark backgrounds all over the place in both Tahoe and iOS 26, for example: https://imgur.com/a/R3DTcSd https://imgur.com/a/R3DTcSd I've pretty much given up with submitting feedback though.
    • brandon272 1y ago
      CarPlay has dark text on dark backgrounds in the latest version of iOS. And I’m talking about stock apps like Messages, not some obscure text buried somewhere deep in the operating system. Absolutely brutal.
  • layer8 1y ago
    It might be more accurate to say that they are giving non-disabled people an experience akin to that of disabled people. ;)
  • burnt-resistor 1y ago
    This is what happens when designers are treated as royalty and are told that their new "clothes" are "awesome" all the time. It's also a symptom of consumption addiction where there is demand/motivation for drastic, superficial changes that don't really offer any value except to those who are consumed by the need for constant change for change's sake. Apple used to care more about disabled people because of how the Accessibility APIs worked and were required for most apps.
• steeleyespan 1y ago
  Looks like a niche Gnome theme that’s trying to clone a MacOS look. I don’t think it’s that bad, nothing to get upset over - but yeah sort of like candy iMac aesthetic.
• GrumpyGoblin 1y ago
  Widget appearance is tied to *icon appearance. Grumble grumble. I want clear for my widgets but default for my dock and other icons. Too bad so sad me I guess. edit: replaced dock with icon, because it affects much more than just dock
• Ecco 1y ago
  I feel like we’ve gone full circle. For decades Apple hardware sucked and was badly overpriced, but you paid the price to enjoy running Mac OS X. Now Apple makes amazing hardware (especially laptops) but the drawback is that you have to run macOS on them. I really wish Asahi Linux had more support, I would have bought a couple M4 Minis.
  • OGEnthusiast 1y ago
    Without knowing your specific workloads, I'd imagine an M2 Pro Mac mini (which is supported by Asahi) is still plenty fast.
  • dcchambers 1y ago
    If you don't need the battery life of a MacBook and you're happy getting a desktop device, there's plenty of machines running new AMD chips that are just as fast as an M series mac, if not faster. And they'll run Linux with no compromises. Check out Bee-Link (https://www.bee-link.com/ https://www.bee-link.com/) for some mac-inspired hardware.
  • Alifatisk 1y ago
    That's not a full circle, a full circle would be if Apple later returned to badly overpriced yet enjoyable macOS again
  • comprev 1y ago
    That's going the opposite direction not full circle. Hardware bad, OS good is now hardware good, OS bad.
  • rekoil 1y ago
    If Asahi Linux had support for Thunderbolt and DP alt-mode I would be running it today, but those are dealbreakers for me unfortunately. I'm donating to them and hoping they eventually get those implemented.
  • andrewmcwatters 1y ago
    Actually, save power efficiency, Apple is still behind the curve and has been for decades. Nvidia has reigned uninterrupted for longer than I can remember and regularly beats Apple in raw performance on available hardware, and AMD has regularly topped benchmarks for years. In fact, AMD and Nvidia have been the de facto high-performance combination for so long, that I can't remember when it was any different. But prior to that, it was Intel and Nvidia. Apple was never a real high quality hardware competitor. The only thing they ever had to offer were products produced by a production process almost no one replicates. Razer started used CNC unibodies for their laptops 14 years ago, but they're maybe the only company I can think of that does so other than Apple. And MSI has shipped high performance laptops for so long that even Apple used their laptops for comparison during the M-series chip releases in the MacBook Pro.
• rcleveng 1y ago
  I always considered the butterfly keyboard[1] the point at which Apple's design system jumped the shark as it focused on it's own aesthetics vs. building quality and reliable products. Funny enough, it's the only time period since 1999 that I was apple free for a while. My MBP broke. I've previously had a butterfly keyboard on my work mac, and it got replaced on a regular bases. While unfortunate for a work computer, this was not acceptable as my personal one with no spares) Thankfully Apple returned to making great products that work, and I bought the next MBP. Seeing that Apple's returning to it's "design roots"[2], I really hope they do not loose sight of building great products that work well for their customers. [1] https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/Butterfly_keyboard https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/Butterfly_keyboard [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-09-14/apple-pitches-a-return-to-design-roots-six-years-after-jony-ive-exit-2026-plan?srnd=2025-03-26%2Flive-q-amp-a-mark-gurman-takes-questions-on-everything-apple https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-09-14/apple-...
  • stevage 1y ago
    > I always considered the butterfly keyboard[1] the point at which Apple's design system jumped the shark as it focused on it's own aesthetics vs. building quality and reliable products. This statement describes pretty much every mouse Apple ever made, from the circular ones to the horrendous magic mouse with charging port underneath.
    • nailer 1y ago
      This is true, but Apple mice have always been consistently bad. A laptop where getting a single grain of dirt under the keyboard meant you couldn't type was a very new thing in 2015.
    • rogerrogerr 1y ago
      Ooh, the mouse myth! Love it when this one gets dragged out. Turns out it’s not really a problem - the battery life is measured in months, you’ll get several hours from plugging it in for thirty seconds, and days if you plug it in for a few minutes while getting coffee. People love to hate it, but it’s never been a real problem. The ergonomics are bad. The charging isn’t.
• tkiolp4 1y ago
  The new UI is horrible. That’s it. No need to deep analysis.
• OGEnthusiast 1y ago
  The reason Liquid Glass on macOS specifically is getting so much blowback is that it isn't just updating the translucency effect with the new glass refraction effect - they've also increased the border radius of most windows, increased paddings in toolbars, sidebars, etc. and overall made the UI much less information-dense, which is wild for a desktop OS. If they had just changed the translucency effect, I think this would be much better received. Personally, I'm sticking with macOS Sequoia for now, and if macOS 27 goes even more in the less-information-density direction, I'll probably fully move off of macOS, which is a shame as a 20-year Apple user.
  • bitmasher9 1y ago
    I feel like every macOS update has been worse than the last, since like 2015-2018 or so. Still, their only real competition is Windows 11, which isn’t well received either.
    • OGEnthusiast 1y ago
      Possibly, although I definitely don't recall the macOS Big Sur re-design being as disruptive UI-wise as Tahoe is.
    • spudlyo 1y ago
      I'm still on Sonoma on my Mac, but I've recently been splitting my time between macOS and Linux and I'm starting to be pretty happy with Linux. The main problem I had with living in a Gnome desktop environment, is with the keyboard. I'm not willing to abandon my use of Emacs control+meta sequences for cursor and editing movements everywhere in the GUI. On macOS, this works because the command (super/Win on Linux/Windows) key is used for common shortcuts and the control key is free for editing shortcuts. I spent a day or so hacking around with kanata[0], which is a kernel level keyboard remapping tool, that lets you define keyboard mapping layers in a similar way you might with QMK firmware. When I press the 'super/win/cmd' it activates a layer which maps certain sequences to their control equivalents, so I can create tabs, close windows, copy and paste (and many more) like my macOS muscle memory wants to do. Other super key sequences (like Super-L for lock desktop or Super-Tab for window cycling) are unchanged. Furthermore, when I hit the control or meta/alt/option key, it activates a layer where Emacs editing keys are emulated using the Gnome equivalents. For example, C-a and C-e are mapped to home/end, etc. After doing this, and tweaking my Gnome setup for another day or so, I am just as comfortable on my Linux machine as I am on my Mac. [0]: https://github.com/jtroo/kanata https://github.com/jtroo/kanata
• paulsmith 1y ago
  Aside from the Liquid Glass stuff, has anyone detailed the changes to the Unix bits of the OS? What's new, deprecated, moved, locked-down, etc. ... ?
  • geraneum 1y ago
    How dare you not complain about the UI?
  • CharlesW 1y ago
    The most notable change is probably the new native container runtime: https://github.com/apple/containerization https://github.com/apple/containerization Metal 4 is interesting: https://developer.apple.com/metal/whats-new/ https://developer.apple.com/metal/whats-new/ New enterprise-y stuff: https://support.apple.com/en-us/124963 https://support.apple.com/en-us/124963 FireWire support is gone, and this is the last macOS release for Intel.
• flenserboy 1y ago
  Apple had a chance to bring back taste when they got rid of Ive, but missed it entirely. The overly rounded windows, the weird amount of blank space, the lack of clarity in general — the only thing that makes sense is that middle managers brought this about. edit: Things are even worse — they already made newer apps much more difficult to read, likely because they have been brought from mobile to desktop. Now fonts are even smaller in System Settings, for example. What are they even thinking?
  • thewebguyd 1y ago
    > Now fonts are even smaller in System Settings, for example. What are they even thinking? It's worse on the iPad. They apparently think an iPad is now also a mouse and cursor device because they made touch targets so small, and the fonts in menus shrunk down making them more difficult touch targets as well.
• RomanPushkin 1y ago
  Maybe it's new and controversial, but I like it. Honestly, I think there is something more about it. Like another Apple product that we're going to see in the future, like Apple glasses would work perfectly with this UI.
  • CharlesW 1y ago
    I've been using it for ~6 weeks, and I'm also a bit confused by the hate since it's barely changed. I'm a fan of the improved UX harmonization across form factors. My intuition is that the minor and gradual "Duploization" of macOS in Sequoia and now Tahoe foreshadows touchscreen MacBooks.
    • reaperducer 1y ago
      I agree with you. It really hasn't changed all that much. It's a bit more cartooney, but as long as it doesn't get in the way of my work, I don't care. It looks like a lot of the hate flowing on HN is just people looking at worst-case screenshots on blogs and piling on. They haven't even used it. There are a few things I'm not wild about, but for the most part it's a bunch of shoulder-shrugs. This isn't the end-of-the-world scenario that people are making it out to be. I have a regular non-techie person in the family with a Mac who I think will like the changes. Those are the people who Apple is targeting. Not the tech bros and the wannabe posers who are desperately clutching their 10-year-old iPhones out of some kind of righteous indignation.
      • codr7 1y ago
        I hope they pay well at least.
    • AlexandrB 1y ago
      > I'm a fan of the improved UX harmonization across form factors. Don't understand why. A ~6" phone screen and a 3x1440p setup have little in common regarding what "effective" UX looks like. Unifying them for the sake of consistency risks making both worse.
• ivraatiems 1y ago
  Reminder that if you have an old Mac, and you'd like to run more recent versions of macOS on it, you can do so with Dortania OpenCore (https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/). They don't have Tahoe support yet, but almost certainly will in the coming months. I highly recommend doing this instead of throwing away a 5 or 6 year old computer as ewaste! (Windows and Linux also work on Intel Macs.)
  • yogorenapan 1y ago
    Thank you so much. I only need a Mac to compile/debug with Xcode (still can't get USB pass through with quickemu working) but Apple has been killing old versions such that projects wont build and home brew has no bottles and whatnot.
  • bsimpson 1y ago
    I'm so bummed that the workarounds to keep a 5k iMac in commission all seem to be really likely to piss off your corporate IT department. Patching the bootloader in memory seems like a big op-sec no-no. Last time this came up on Hacker News, someone pointed out that there are new display boards you can buy from China to reuse a 5K's panel as an external display. I think we're only allowed to run Linux at work on blessed devices. Last I looked, the 5K panel in the iMac was actually presented to the firmware as two smaller displays, which were glued back together in software. Apple does that magic to support its own hardware, but it sounded like Linux doesn't.
• AHTERIX5000 1y ago
  It's not as bad as the first previews but ugly nonetheless and overall accessibility nightmare. All I hope is that the design language stays contained in Apple ecosystem and does not spread.
  • CharlesW 1y ago
    Accessibility hasn't changed at all, and it remains trivial to turn off visual effects that present a problem. https://imgur.com/a/Vw55f8V https://imgur.com/a/Vw55f8V
• Angostura 1y ago
  It’s butt-ugly, but I find the usability better. Previously everything was so white that I found it difficult on occasion to distinguish between windows above and below. The heavier drop shadows and rounded corners are actually quite helpful
• Aaronstotle 1y ago
  I wish Apple would skip yearly macOS releases, there is no need.
  • AlexandrB 1y ago
    Or alternate feature releases with bug fix releases. I'd love to see a "Snow Leopard" every other year.
• bergfest 1y ago
  A small but important detail of Aqua was that the assumed light source was pointing straight down, whereas everybody else was usually using a 45 degrees angle. I wish Apple took a lesson from the old masters. Also these colors make my eyes bleed. And the border radius is ridiculous.
• proee 1y ago
  The juxtaposition in the marketing speak is ridiculous. "...all with a whole lot less effort." Seriously Apple, a whole lot less?
• gigatexal 1y ago
  Ios26 isn’t bad. Installing it on my non work MacBook.
• robinhood 1y ago
  First rule of MacOS upgrade: don't. Second rule: wait for x.1 or x.2 releases, so it's more stable and most importantly, the dependencies you need get updated.
  • brodo 1y ago
    Christmas is a good time to update usually.
  • randyrand 1y ago
    I always wait until x.6 or x.7! usually around May
• sho_hn 1y ago
  Whew. Those screenshots: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/09/macos-26-tahoe-the-ars-technica-review/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/09/macos-26-tahoe-the-a... As a KDE Plasma dev, I always counted on us getting better, but I didn't expect the competition to get so much worse. We'd be flamed to high and heaven for shipping broken notification popups and rendering glitches like that in a prod release. What happened internally to cause this, I wonder?
  • shantara 1y ago
    The rumor mill speculates that Apple needed to ship something big and flashy to distract people from calling them out on their failure to deliver on the AI features promised (and previewed!) more than a year ago.
    • anakaine 1y ago
      They probably should have just eaten the AI non delivery instead of now having two major failures.
    • touristtam 1y ago
      I've heard another take that is interesting and a clear departure from that never ending moaning: Like the ultra slim new iPhone that could be a step to validate the technical challenges to a foldable device, this change in UI is to prepare the user base for a complete change in the form factor, be it a glass slab or a greater focus on wearable (ala glasses).
  • justahuman74 1y ago
    My guess is organizational inertia around dependency chains
  • vachina 1y ago
    Wow those looks broken. I switched to Mac precisely thinking Apple knew best. Whatever happened to don’t change it if it ain’t broken?
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• coneonthefloor 1y ago
  The GUI of an OS has never concerned me. Seems like a red flag when the main selling point is a slight bit of transparency.
  • jaredklewis 1y ago
    Well, that's why there is a lot of complaints. The main selling point of a macbook is not a UI with transparency. It's hardware stuff (like ARM processors, battery life, aluminum frames, etc..) and a decent, stable, unix-ish software environment. No one is using macOS for the visual effects, so it is annoying that Apple is revamping the UI everyone is used to in order to add more visual effects. Seems nuts to me, but I'll be curious to see how this all pans out.
  • al_borland 1y ago
    The new Spotlight seems like a strong selling point for power users.
• _2d30 1y ago
  I decided to install this and the updated iOS today to see how I felt about it. My very initial impressions on MacOS: (1) I like the look of Safari better and the Mail app compared to the prior designs. They both look really nice to me and the Mail app especially looks like a huge improvement in terms of design unification with some of the features like summaries and unsubscribe options that looked bolted on in the past now blending in seamlessly. (2) I really, really don't like the new icons! Especially so on iOS. (3) On iOS the app group/folders look terrible to me with the way they distort my wallpaper. Not a fan. (4) A lot of people are complaining about transparent icons. It's not a valid complaint and is strong evidence whoever is saying that hasn't used the new OS as that is a choice you can make if you want. The default is not transparent. (5) The increased radii in some places doesn't seem to have any meaningful impact to my information density. A simple comparison of Chrome (old styling) and Safari (with the liquid glass design) shows that Safari has a few pixels fewer in height search + tab bar as a concrete example. (6) Messages app in MacOS looks like shit. I hate almost everything about it. (7) Spotlight search has marked improvements! UI is nicer and functionality has expanded greatly (eg clipboard search).
  • JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    I weirdly like the clear apps on iOS. Less visually stimulating.
    • _2d30 1y ago
      I've been trying this now too based on your comment. I think I like it too but I also think it only works for me because I know where everything is on my phone. If I ever reorganized or expand my regular app usage to new things, I think it will be much harder as differentiating the apps is much harder.
  • hk1337 1y ago
    I really like the Apps change. Instead of opening up the icons full screen, it opens in a spotlight search window.
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• coldtea 1y ago
  Anytime a UI redesign comes with bullshit abstract designer justifications ("a translucent new material that reflects and refracts its surroundings", etc) you know it's bad.
• sylens 1y ago
  Open up the Calendar app on macOS Tahoe. Look in the upper right at the time zone selector. It is left justified to a fault, leaving a very awkward amount of space between it and the expand arrow/flyout arrows.
  • metaltyphoon 1y ago
    That looks so bad :D
• christophilus 1y ago
  Just upgraded my wife’s laptop and my iPhone. It’s fine. I think her use (she lives in the browser) and my iPhone use (calls, camera, browser) don’t really reveal anything terrible. It’s kind of a dumb gimmick, but it’s mostly fine so far. It would annoy me if a UI that I frequently used “upgraded” to this, though.
• dayvid 1y ago
  Looks like they're putting an AR UI in a Desktop
• basisword 1y ago
  A lot of the focus here is on the design (obviously). It took me a while to get used to it. But there are a lot of really great improvements in this release that make it worth it. Spotlight gets big updates. Live activities and notifications syncing from your phone. Journal. Music app has been massively updated and redesigned. Phone app. And surprisingly it doesn’t feel like a launch release - definitely less buggy than previous efforts.
  • dsego 1y ago
    > Music app has been massively updated and redesigned. How is this good design? I have to precisely hover over the puny slider and then it blurs everything? There is enough space to show proper controls for playback. And why are the controls at the bottom. https://imgur.com/a/vdBeG8g https://imgur.com/a/vdBeG8g
    • basisword 1y ago
      That doesn't take away from the fact it had a major update and redesign. There are definitely still issues but it seems much snappier than the previous iteration where it felt like using embedded web views. Pins are great too.
      • dsego 1y ago
        It feels like change for the sake of change, I didn't notice any improvements for my use case.
• DavidPiper 1y ago
  Windows XP had Theme Settings. I never used them, but at least they allowed you to choose.
• hk1337 1y ago
  I feel like Joey Tribbiani with Rachel’s Traditional English Trifle, because I like it. iOS, macOS, ipadOS, tvOS. I like the new feature in tvOS to see incoming calls on the tv.
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• p_ing 1y ago
  The pixel above the menu bar Weather widget isn't clickable. Sound, wifi, battery, Control Center, clock are just fine. Let that one get under your skin.
• mmastrac 1y ago
  This is the first time I've ever seen a macOS update and not seen a single feature worth bothering to upgrade over. Is there anything developer-facing? I don't use any Apple ecosystem stuff and this is all that AFAICT
  • dhruvkb 1y ago
    There is support [1] for containers. [1]: https://github.com/apple/container#requirements https://github.com/apple/container#requirements
• OhioMan2943 1y ago
  I love how when apple could offer nothing more, their ui became nothing, and a celebration of blankness
  • al_borland 1y ago
    That’s the goal of all their products, the hardware as well. Get out of your way, and effectively disappear, so you can focus on what you’re actually working on.
• _7acn 1y ago
  The key question - now that Liquid Glass is a reality, will Tim Cook lose his job like Ballmer did over Windows 8 metro design?
  • AlexandrB 1y ago
    I thought it was Sinofsky who lost his job over Windows 8.
• s09dfhks 1y ago
  Is there anywhere to find a comprehensive list of updates made "Under the hood"? Sure the new UI is cool and all, but what are they doing to make the OS better? In a previous life I was a mac administrator and every update, apple would remove some binary and suddenly we couldn't natively make calls to LDAP or something.
  • vintagedave 1y ago
    That’s why I miss the old Ars Technica reviews. The closest I’ve seen is this Apple PDF and I’m not sure it’s what you’re after: https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_macOS_Tahoe_Sept_2025.pdf https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_macOS_Tahoe_Se...
• outlore 1y ago
  i really wish they didn't give up on stage manager. every beta i would look if they fixed the opening behavior to open a new application in the same stage :/ but stage manager seems like it would have potential to fix window management on the mac without needing rectangle, yabai, alt tab etc
  • CharlesW 1y ago
    Stage Manager works fine in macOS 26: https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-stage-manager-mchl534ba392/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-stage-manager-m...
• kstrauser 1y ago
  Am I the only one here who thinks liquid glass is pretty? I like it. More than that, I love the new Spotlight features, and the ability to remove apps from the menu bar without installing Ice (or the legacy Bartender).
• dcchambers 1y ago
  Screenshots of this OS sure are...something. I'm gonna hold off on upgrading. Maybe they'll tone it down next year.
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• hexvalid 1y ago
  Looks horrible on non-hdpi monitors
  • TheJuli 1y ago
    Eh, it has always looked horrible. Non fractional scaling is just too much to ask at this point...but hey look at this tiny toggle element doing this cool liquidy effect wohoo
    • trinix912 1y ago
      Only since OS X Yosemite. Then they decided to mess with the font smoothing and it went downhill from there. And no, it wasn't because of Retina, as OS X Mavericks had Retina support and still worked fine on low DPI screens.
  • wpm 1y ago
    Apple straight up doesn't give a fuck about us third-party monitor users. Timmy says 1440p at 27" is big enough for anyone. Just a joke of a company
    • FireBeyond 1y ago
      They openly fucked DP 1.4 to make the ProDisplay XDR work. Catalina, sure, you can drive a DP 1.4 monitor at 144Hz in HDR10. Big Sur, coinciding with the ProDisplay...? No, that will get you 60Hz HDR10 or 95Hz SDR. So stupidly that downgrading my monitor (mine would allow you to select advertised support) to DP 1.2 would increase your refresh and HDR options. And it was never fixed, not in Big Sur, Monterey or Ventura, when I had switched monitors. People were wondering how Apple made the math work. Simple, by "Fuck you if your monitor isn't our $6,000 flagship".
• mickgardner 1y ago
  What an ugly UI update. I usually don't mind too much about the changes in MacOS UI and visuals, but opening up Finder leaves me shocked that this actually got the green light. Who in their right mind looked at this and thought: "yep that's the future, it looks fantastic!".
  • data-ottawa 1y ago
    For Finder I discovered that changing the Toolbar to Icon Only significantly improved it. Then I set the sidebar icons to small in the Appearance system setting. That helped a lot. Most of the new UI is designed almost exclusively for icon only toolbars.
• a2128 1y ago
  More ways to express yourself with images. Mix emoji and descriptions to make something brand-new. In Image Playground, discover additional ChatGPT styles. And have even more control when making images inspired by family and friends using Genmoji and Image Playground. I have to say, is AI image generation really the job of an operating system? I've also seen this sort of stuff on Pixel Android, it's now built into mspaint on Windows 11 and there's also copilot everywhere. Does anyone even use this stuff? It requires constant updates and maintenance to support newer models, in my experience it gets stale and outdated much more quickly. I think it would be better served by the user just opening their web browser to go to ChatGPT (or other service) which receives latest model upgrades first. Am I going crazy or is this just a horrible idea?
  • mdavid626 1y ago
    Agreed.
  • bl4ckneon 1y ago
    It always seemed quite cringe to me. A use it once and "Ehh I guess it works and is cool, sure" and then never touch it again sort of feature. Other than old people that always send gifs on Facebook and children who this is probably one of the only AI art things they have access too, idk who else uses this. If one tech giant has it then they need to too for feature parity. Not a whole lot of use cases for generative AI for the masses, so if someone comes up with one, gotta copy!
  • deafpolygon 1y ago
    People want this. Remember, those of us on HN aren't really the target demographic. They are targeting people who use their device(s) for fun and entertainment.
  • EZ-E 1y ago
    This seems more of a toy. I hope we get to eventually able to use a local Apple LLM model with more flexibility.
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• vadepaysa 1y ago
  I've grown so used to Apple shipping buggy software that I wait a year or more before upgrading my mac to a major version. I do all the minor releases and security patches, of course.
• anon7000 1y ago
  (This about iOS, not Mac, but obviously a lot is similar.) I might be in the minority on hn, but I’m using iOS 26 for the first time today and am pretty happy with the new design. For one, it’s a lot snappier and faster. I’m glad they finally did something about the slow-ass animations iOS had in a lot of places. Secondly, it has a lot more personality. I enjoy that. Thirdly, they finally moved more basic UI stuff close to the thumbs instead of literally 6 inches away at the top of the screen. Love that. Knowing app designers, my apps are about to get easier to use just by migrating to the new UX concepts Apple is pushing. The glass look is mostly fine. iOS had contrast issues before, and I don’t think it’s any worse. If anything, it’s more adaptive to different types of backgrounds now. There are some visual glitches and weird things, but they’re pretty minor and will be resolved with time. The glass panes for, say, folders look nice, and I like it more than the previous blur.
  • piskov 1y ago
    The worst thing is Safari removing all tabs button. Quick way is to pinch out with two fingers but that is impossible one-handed. Another is to swipe up (or left/right) on address bar but that often triggers app switching because he indicator is 3mm lower
    • kstrauser 1y ago
      It’s still there, just moved. Tap the … icon next to the address bar. “All tabs” will be under your thumb.
      • piskov 1y ago
        And why would I need to do two things instead of one previously.
    • mitemte 1y ago
      Settings > Safari > Set tabs to “Bottom”. This gives you back the old style bottom bar, including the all tabs button. The “Compact” UI option is complete and utter garbage.
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• caycep 1y ago
  they need to bring Scott Forstall or someone Bertrand Serlet-esque back, and a designer who isn't Alan Dye
  • sbuk 1y ago
    Rich Corinthian Leather? Green baize backgrounds? Really..?
    • caycep 1y ago
      At least he was consistent and the UI design made sense, textures aside. And UI gossip aside, all the accounts from every engineer who worked under him consistently praised him. Safari with its KHTML underpinnings was also created under his watch, apparently.
      • sbuk 1y ago
        Webkit (along with Safari) was started under Avie Tevanian's watch. Scott Forstall worked under him and Bertrand Serlet, along with Lisa Melton, who lead the development team for Webkit. Forstall was responsible for the development and release of Apple Maps.
        • caycep 1y ago
          I'm pretty sure Melton credited Forstall with giving with the support and cover for safari/khtml - she's written extensively about it. https://donmelton.com/2013/01/10/safari-is-released-to-the-world/ https://donmelton.com/2013/01/10/safari-is-released-to-the-w... And for Apple Maps, I remember reading somewhere that one reason Forstall refused to sign the infamous apology letter was that the initial release was from a team not directly under his supervision, but I can't find the old reference to that...granted, whatever went down was probably a joint failure of everyone involved
• MobileVet 1y ago
  The part that I am so tired of is the ‘we are the best at this and this is amazing’ pitch that comes with every release. Never mind that this release’s design ‘language’ DIRECTLY conflicts with things they used to say ‘never do that’. So what changed exactly? Change is understandable but this is a full 180. - floating anything was verboten - accessibility was paramount - clarity was prioritized How did this release come about??
  • brandon272 1y ago
    New people in design roles that no longer care about old rules. Declining institutional taste and no one at the helm who appreciates or enforces old rules when necessary.
  • daveoc64 1y ago
    Isn't that just how Apple has always operated? 2004: You don't need an iPod that plays videos. 2005: Here's an iPod that plays videos.
• gowld 1y ago
  https://www.apple.com/v/os/c/images/macos/highlights/mac_phone__e2u9ab76th8i_large_2x.jpg https://www.apple.com/v/os/c/images/macos/highlights/mac_pho... Two different fonts (Mac vs iOS) for the same data display? And replacing all humans by AI avatars, to make it easier for spambots to impersonation people?
• jmull 1y ago
  I'm baffled by the hate. So far, it's just some nice looking cosmetic changes. All entirely inconsequential -- I've seen nothing yet that will affect my workflows in any way.
  • latexr 1y ago
    Wait until you use it a bit more and get some overlap into an unreadable mess. Open System Settings right now, do a search, then scroll the view. That’s the least worst you’ll find.
    • jmull 1y ago
      I tried it and it works well, and looks good. What's the bad thing I'm supposed to be seeing?
  • dsego 1y ago
    I don't think so, apple supposedly cares about aesthetics and design. If I didn't care about little details I would use windows. Like Steve Jobs said, it comes down to taste. Why would I use a flawed unpolished product, it doesn't reassure me that the technical side was even done well.
    • al_borland 1y ago
      This UI refresh seems better than Jony Ive’s attempt. The first version he was in control of was probably the worst UI they’ve had. Poor contrast, ultra-thin fonts, strange color pallet, and the buttons were gone. Need a back button, here: <. Liquid Glass seems much better than that, and they will continue to refine it, just like they did Ive’s design.
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• jm4 1y ago
  This looks like their Windows Vista.
• watersb 1y ago
  Sure, sure... The UI is a waste. But: 24-bit color support in Terminal.app! Finally. (Next year, macOS Ukiah will use Apple Intelligence: just describe the UI you want in Spotlight, and macOS will vibe-code it up for you.)
• aljgz 1y ago
  Writing this comment from my FrameWork laptop with AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370, 96GB Ram, 4TB Storage, that I got for $4k. Running Fedora with KDE. How much would I need to pay Apple to get a laptop with this much ram? The day I got my only Apple device, an ipad, only to know they will kill my browser download as soon as I switch to a different app, it became my last. I don't want to pay a company only to be subject to their decision of what I can and cannot run on my machine. If I vote for that with my wallet, I deserve it.
  • SparkyMcUnicorn 1y ago
    You can get a 128GB MacBook for around $4300. With a 4TB SSD it'll be around $5k I think. https://www.apple.com/shop/product/G1FW7LL/A/Refurbished-16-inch-MacBook-Pro-Apple-M4-Max-Chip-with-16%E2%80%91Core-CPU-and-40%E2%80%91Core-GPU-Space-Black https://www.apple.com/shop/product/G1FW7LL/A/Refurbished-16-...
  • janitor77swe 1y ago
    You could buy a Lenovo with the same spec for a good grand less. And people buy Macbooks so that they don't have to deal with the abomination that is called Linux/GNU and GPL, not for the hardware.
• andsoitis 1y ago
  Tim Cook has no taste
• joduplessis 1y ago
  If Apple stopped at the over-saturated/rounded-corners, it would have been a decent iteration on something established (and very much not broken). I realise the transparent icons are optional - but it now looks like a budget Android theme.
  • mamami 1y ago
    Am I the only one finding this design extremely dated? Like Android Kitkat like from 10 years ago?
• rd07 1y ago
  This is unrelated, but in Indonesian language, "Tahoe" is a word for tofu but spelled the old way
• ObscureMind 1y ago
  This is the Windows 7 version of MacOS
• samgranieri 1y ago
  I think I’m going to stick with the previous version of macOS on my work laptop until I’m forced to upgrade.
• curvaturearth 1y ago
  I still hurting from the crappy System Settings. Please Apple, make System Settings better... It's a mess
• WuxiFingerHold 1y ago
  I hate to say it, but Windows is much more productive than MacOS for the usually tasks you perform on an OS (with GUI, both have CLIs, but I'm not talking about them). I'm using both at work all day long switching between them. When reflecting why, I think it comes down to windows management and the file explorer (vs finder).
  • ejoso 1y ago
    I disagree on this. I’ve used both interchangeably for decades and can swap between them without slowing. So much of this comes down to knowledge of and experiences with the quick/er ways for getting around. For quite sometime using search tools is vastly more efficient for navigation and file movement than Explorer or Finder anyway.
  • kstrauser 1y ago
    That’s an entirely subjective thing, though. I’ve used Macs more than PCs and I can’t stand what feels to me like Windows’s abysmal window management. I don’t say that to argue that macOS is better at it, just that I strongly prefer the Mac way as much as you prefer the way Windows does things, and that’s perfectly fine.
• heavyset_go 1y ago
  Has anyone gotten this running in with QEMU and kvm?
• ntnbr 1y ago
  I really dislike how everything MUST become rounded to be "more user-friendly and fluid". The UI looks awful and I will probably never be upgrading.
• aaronbrethorst 1y ago
  I've run every version of macOS since Mac OS X Public Beta. I'm pretty sure I'm going to skip Tahoe. macOS 15 Sequoia is great; why would I switch to something profoundly ugly and unpolished if everything will keep running on my current OS and Apple's liable to make macOS 27 look tolerable?
• drnick1 1y ago
  I am the only one to think that these days, GNOME and KDE are more usable than anything made by Microsoft or Apple? I think part of the reason is that devs working on these projects don't have an incentive to make arbitrary changes like people who need to justify their paychecks.
  • unboxingelf 1y ago
    You’re not the only one.
  • reddalo 1y ago
    I agree, except for the GNOME part. I think GNOME 2 was the last usable version, everything went downhill since GNOME 3. KDE or Cinnamon (Linux Mint) are good though.
    • Rochus 1y ago
      You can still use Gnome 2 with e.g. the Mate desktop. I use it every day and it works good enough (though it has some bugs in the file manager).
  • BatteryMountain 1y ago
    Been using Fedora + KDE since ~March on my main dev machine (hp laptop), basically without any issues and it hasn't broken itself yet. Works amazing. KDE has cured my last bit of distrohopping I had left and I moved on from Gnome too. Things that irritate me on my last macos machine is literally 3 config toggles away in KDE. In the coming month will install Fedora+KDE on 5 more machines for family members due to Windows 10 hitting end of life.
  • Rochus 1y ago
    Even Mate is more usable, and to do decent work on a Mac I need a Lenovo Thinkpad external keyboard, which is much better than anything Apple has to offer and it even has a trackpoint and two mouse buttons.
  • hoherd 1y ago
    With KDE Plasma being so great, and Tahoe desktop UI being so awful, I am being nudged more and more towards using linux as my desktop instead of just using it headless.
• zwilliamson 1y ago
  I’ve been using Omarchy (Arch+Hyprland) as my daily driver for over a month. It is faster, prettier and more efficient than macOS in my opinion. I have a Framework 16” on order. I can’t wait to get it.
  • Lio 1y ago
    Is there an equivalent to macOS' Ctrl-scroll to zoom the screen yet? It's little accessibility features like that keep me coming back to macOS everytime I switch to Linux.
    • articsputnik 1y ago
      try this, works great https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/mouse-pinch-to-zoom/pffiadlahfhoniddbipeiiohjnlongfi?hl=en&pli=1 https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/mouse-pinch-to-zoom... (I already used it on MacBook, but also on Omarchy now)
      • Lio 1y ago
        Thanks for the suggestion but that's just for Chrome/Chromium isn't it? It's a nice start but really I'm looking for something that works for the entire screen desktop. I did have a plugin for Gnome that sort of worked (Meta+scroll) but it's very clunky compared to the macOS equivalent.
        • articsputnik 1y ago
          it is, but as Omarchy is heavily based on web apps, which include Figma, Notion, Google Photos, etc. it works there too. And in the native apps, such as Terminal, Obsidian, etc., you can just use ctrl++ or ctrl+-. At least that is how i use it. Or what specific apps you need that?
• unboxingelf 1y ago
  Who is macOS designed for? I assume a non negligible customer base are software professionals and this iOSification of the desktop is borderline hostile. I don’t get it.
  • Rochus 1y ago
    66% of Mac users are female, around 55.7% of Mac users in 2024 are aged 18-34, macOS has a 29.62% share of the U.S., but only 15.1% of the global PC market Macs still maintain strong pedigree in graphic design and visual arts (from https://www.spyhunter.com/shm/macos-stats/ https://www.spyhunter.com/shm/macos-stats/) I'm a software developer as well and I avoid programming on the Mac whenever possible (i.e. developing on Linux and just go to the Mac to build and test). Since the last OS version, you cannot even download and run precompiled open source software without being an expert, and we can expect that Apple will even close the present work-arounds for "security reasons" (what a good justification for all kinds of monopolistic and patronizing business decisions).
• avazhi 1y ago
  Looking at this webpage I realise I am absolutely no longer part of Apple’s demographic for MacOS. I couldn’t care less about any of these new features. I was hoping the UI would be improved but it’s just a diabolical clusterfuck. Hard pass.
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• lazycouchpotato 1y ago
  Updated to iPadOS 26 on my iPad 9. It's so laggy on the home screen now. Absolutely ruined the poor thing.
• deafpolygon 1y ago
  I suppose I'm in the minority, but I do like the new changes. It's refreshing, and looks good. Most issues can be tweaked away if you desire that. (disabling transparency or removing tint window with background wallpaper) What I want is my single row Safari address+tabbar back - why did they take it out? And where the hell is the newly refreshed Terminal.app?
• k8sToGo 1y ago
  I hate it. Everything has become larger and weirder and uglier? When I reboot the machine the time on the lock screen is in liquid glass but the date isn't? It reminds me of Cydia Themes
• rckt 1y ago
  The new approach they took is a disaster, technically and visually. This is a joke.
  • reddalo 1y ago
    I agree, it's hideous. I miss the cleanliness of macOS Sierra. I'll just stay on Sequoia for the time being, and then switch to Linux.
    • niek_pas 1y ago
      Curious what your life is like that you can 'just' switch to Linux. For me changing desktop OSes at this point would be like moving to a different country.
      • reddalo 1y ago
        I'm a developer. I'll only miss the iOS Simulator to try my Expo apps, but I can use a real device instead. I'll also miss OneDrive, but I can switch to other providers with Linux support (e.g. Dropbox).
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• gregoriol 1y ago
  Long time Apple user advice: don't update before .1 version if you use your mac for important things.
• Alifatisk 1y ago
  Will I be able to disable the glass effect so there isn't any load on the system just for the ui to exist?
• ksynwa 1y ago
  I'd like to see the presentation they used internally to sell the liquid glass aeshetic. I bet it is sillier than the famous Pepsi logo redesign document.
• fainpul 1y ago
  I don't want the low contrast glassy stuff or even bigger corner radiuses on my iPhone or mac, so I disabled automatic OS updates for the first time. When I updated to iOS 18.7, it automatically re-activated iOS updates! Fuck you very much, Apple! So be warned, if you don't want to update, check your settings.
  • pndy 1y ago
    Maybe it's some A-B stuff - I've updated to 18.7 both phone and tablet and updates settings were untouched
• Ecstatify 1y ago
  The new UI is incredibly disappointing, it looks like an old Android theme from 2005.
• philipallstar 1y ago
  > More you. Shines through. It just sounds like a shampoo commercial.
• BatteryMountain 1y ago
  If anyone here feel aggravated by both Liquid Glass and whatever Windows 11 calls their UI, give KDE a try (Fedora is pretty stable with it). After tweaking a few things (display dpi, theme, wallpaper) - its a very coherent experience & information dense. You can do 95% of your computing in this environment. After getting used to KDE, it will be hard to go back to windows or macos.
• caro_kann 1y ago
  I hope they'll acknowledge what they've done and fix most of this nonsense. I like macOS how it is right now, and I switched from Linux partly for this. I always wonder why don't they just add new stuff based on user feedback?
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• eloisant 1y ago
  I can't remember the last time I was excited for a macOS release. This time again there is nothing I'm looking forward in this new release.
• artk42 1y ago
  If there are enough OGs, they should recall Windows XP with all those bells and whistles AND those life-saving switch to "Windows Classic" that survived next three generations of Windows. I personally pray for that "MacOS classic" switch... It's sad to enter that decay era for Apple where every next software upgrade for the device feels effectively as a hardware downgrade.
  • Etheryte 1y ago
    The global reduce motion and reduce transparency settings help you a little, but that only goes so far.
• notsydonia 1y ago
  Had such a bad experience with Sonoma, multiple micro-glitches that stole time and focus, that I dropped back to Ventura and have been avoiding updates ever since. The weird thing is that despite numerous bugs being logged all over the place, the 'new features' updates from Apple OS didn't seem to address any of them. They were mostly weird gimmicky new add-ons that don't mean anything to a power-user. I might be interested in trying Tahoe if they'd undone whatever the awful policy is that puts a tonne of unwanted apps and desktop pics etc into your desktop that cannot be removed. I don't want Apple News, the clock in the menu bar and even Airplay - I purchased the computer, why can't I have what I want on it without compulsory apps from Apple?
  • cyberpunk 1y ago
    You can remove the desktop widgets, no idea about turning off the clock though…
• accrual 1y ago
  The latest macOS updates have me pining for macOS Mojave. I really liked that release - first-class dark mode support that felt reasonably polished, it still had a "normal" Mac OS X style UI, 32-bit support if you wanted it, it was snappy even on my 3 year old 2015 MBPr, and I think it wouldn't look out of place on a modern M4 Mac even though it's a seven year old release.
• a012 1y ago
  I posted this before but again, this new OS from Apple is the deal breaker for me to buy any new devices from Apple again. And I’ll hold on the existing OS until Apple won’t provide any security updates anymore.
• gigatexal 1y ago
  the launcher is amazing day one upgrade here nothing broke, im very happy so far m3max mbpro 14
• Mindwipe 1y ago
  This is a really rough UI update to ship out of Apple. I don't want to use "the worst UI thing they've ever done" lightly, but it is hard to think of something that feels this unfinished and hard to use. Why are none of the corner radii consistent? This is literally the sort of thing Apple's entire reputation is built on getting right! It's like an amateur hour Linux skin.
• dim13 1y ago
  Read most of the comment, was hesitated. Then thought "it can't be that bad". Ok, it is that bad. I absolutely hate extra round corners and extra margin in the windows. Sigh.
  • al_borland 1y ago
    It’s just change. People complain every time the UI changes on anything. People will get used to it. Apple will refine some things over time. It will be ok.
    • otter-in-a-suit 1y ago
      I usually agree (and enjoy reading angry threads years later), but wasting screen real estate and getting measurably worse in terms of accessibility is simply not a good design decision.
      • al_borland 1y ago
        I guess you can bookmark this thread and set a reminder to revisit it in 5 years and see how it went.
• supr_strudl 1y ago
  I like it. There's hardly any difference for me.
• major505 1y ago
  To be honest I just installed last night and the only significant change I notice are the round corners. And now the email app have a progress indicator. Other than that is just windows vista visuals, but not as shit as windows vista.
  • dsego 1y ago
    But it's bad, because the new rounded style with floating buttons doesn't match the traditional UI toolkit and it shows. They've messed up the whole layout where windows have a title bar and then a sidebar, etc. Now the side rail is on top, and all the toolbar buttons float, but you're still supposed to know you can drag on the title bar, but there are no visual signifiers (affordances). It's harder to visually parse the mess, there is no visual hierarchy and everything is floating and has a drop shadow now. And then there is the double border on the left side, where for some reason the sider rail also needs to be floating, which just takes up more space. And it's just for visuals, some apps show content under it (like the wallpaper), while finder for example doesn't, so it's really inconsistent and means nothing. I took screen shots of a few inconsistencies that bother me, things getting cut off or looking visually messy. The most egregious is the music app showing a dinky progress bar that's almost impossible to mouse over and when you do it blurs everything so you don't see the song name. There was real estate for that whole currently playing section to be bigger so you can start dragging that slider immediately without hovering over it first. https://imgur.com/a/1PsFAQi https://imgur.com/a/1PsFAQi and a few more I forgot https://imgur.com/a/1CWFqRP https://imgur.com/a/1CWFqRP
    • major505 1y ago
      Ok, the clipping of the end of the scroll bar is really terrible.
• somelamer567 1y ago
  The poor application scripting story on macOS has made me grumpy for the last few releases of macOS. AppleScript was never good, but the tooling has been left to rot and other language bindings steadily deprecated. And it seems it has not improved in Tahoe. I know the product manager of scripting for macOS ran it into the ground before being let go, but I've seen no discernible improvements. For a platform touted as the first choice for technical users, this is a really poor showing.
• ktosobcy 1y ago
  I don't like things getting more and more round (quite often having custom css with `* { border-radius: 0px !important; }`) and they are going even worse with it. I don't like transparency - it's flashy but in overwhelming majority of cases is just a gimmick distraction (like transparent terminals on linux) Sticking to Squoia
• beegeezuz 1y ago
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• tyleo 1y ago
  I've been using Tahoe since yesterday and so far I find the glass changes fine. I don't have any sort of accessibility requirements and I can understand how loss-of-contrast may impact folks but to me it feels fresh.
• dreamcompiler 1y ago
  Every new version of MacOS exhibits four phenomena: 1. Old bugs are not fixed. 2. New bugs are introduced, and I have to spend hours online figuring out workarounds. 3. Old features I depended on are removed, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to replace them. 4. New features I don't need are added and they get in my way, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to disable them. My workflow productivity takes a months-long hit every time Apple upgrades MacOS. As a result I rarely upgrade MacOS until it's around 3 years old and I have no choice. It appears that Tahoe is going to be the worst example of this in a long time. Which is why I'm moving as much of my daily workflow as possible to Linux.
  • ransom1538 1y ago
    Nothing on this list compares to removing an ESC key. That was apple starting to leave reality. I had to buy used laptops for that time period.
    • mmmnnn 1y ago
      super lolllz
    • AlexandrB 1y ago
      Definitely the worst era of Mac laptop hardware that I lived through. I still have a work-provided 2019 MBP and the keyboard is shot (even though I never use it because it's docked to a monitor + keyboard 99.9% of the time), while the Touch Bar flickers with random white rectangles regularly while the machine is asleep. I personally kept using a 2015 MBP until last year for just this reason.
    • theshrike79 1y ago
      If they just put the fancy bar ON TOP of the f-row, we'd still have it.
    • KaiserPro 1y ago
      As a Vim user, I thought it would be a deal breaker, but it really wasn't that bad. The rest of the laptop was though.
• zabil 1y ago
  Not a fan of the new Safari design. I used to like it for its compact and minimalist look, but now the address bar and tab bar feel like they take up more space than they should.
• api 1y ago
  Things I like: reintroducing a little bit of 3D/skeumorphism. I'm sick of flat. Also the Music and Podcasts app changes aren't bad. Haven't tried the iPhone/desktop tighter integration but it looks interesting. Not UI, but it seems like my wifi is faster, but I could also be nuts. Maybe a driver update? Things that are "meh": the "apps" thing that replaces the previous launch pad, the translucency, the "dark" icon theme. Things I don't like: stop wasting my f'ing screen real estate. Stop it with the unnecessary whitespace and the f'ing thicc menu bar. This is a desktop/laptop and it's for real work. It's also ugly. Speaking of ugly, I count several different window corner radii. Why do Windows need gigantically rounded corners?
• maxvij 1y ago
  This might be relevant again: Apple's Liquid Glass: When Aesthetics Beat Function (https://www.maxvanijsselmuiden.nl/liquid-glass https://www.maxvanijsselmuiden.nl/liquid-glass)
• chaidhat 1y ago
  It's good
• trumbitta2 1y ago
  So ugly and pointless it hurts. Same for iOS 26.
• kgc 1y ago
  Reminds me of Windows Vista.
• xutopia 1y ago
  For me the main thing is that search is now more prominent for a lot of apps (this is even more true on iOS). It used to be that we had to go to the top on iOS to get search but now it's always at the bottom near the fingers.
• zitterbewegung 1y ago
  Am I one of few people that doesn't have a big negative sentiment torwards Tahoe? I suspect that if it is this bad they will start making a point release to address liquid glass. I do agree though that there is a jarring look to the slabs of glass on glass for the layouts in the system. Another thing that sort of weirds me out is that the system preferences has the icons being loaded after the window is present and I have liked using spotlight for a much longer time. I have also been using Siri by typing in queries and the integration of the dynamic island into the menu bar is pretty great.
  • janitor77swe 1y ago
    It's not bad, I barely noticed the change. Most of the comments are just trolls by people who don't own a Macbook, as you can see from their posts suggesting their Framework laptops and Arch linux.
• agrippanux 1y ago
  These extreme rounded corners are super triggering my desktop OCD Text on frosted glass over other text is really hard to read We need an option to turn these “improvements” off FWIW my system does feel more snappy and the improvements to Spotlight are nice
• fulafel 1y ago
  I wonder if they realized they're recycling the codename from the old BSD version.
• lukev 1y ago
  Is it bad that my primary motivation for considering an upgrade is getting my notes as Markdown?
• CalChris 1y ago
  Worse. I'm ok with most of it but let us get rid of the stupid rounded corners. Apple clearly does great HW and it does great systems. OTOH, its UI is faddish.
• putna 1y ago
  how to change this enormous windows radius to something reasonable?
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• prh8 1y ago
  > And Vehicle Motion Cues help reduce motion sickness in moving vehicles. I love that the copy was directly copy pasted from iOS copy. I don't think vehicle motion sickness is a big concern with macOS
• The_President 1y ago
  Meanwhile in iOSland I am hesitant to update an iPhone SE 2nd gen from 16 to 18 due to the apparant lack of option to customize the charging limit. To anyone with an engineer mind, this seems like a non-implementation that would have an excuse behind it if it were ever exposed. I also wonder if the Personal Hotspot wifi bug ever will get fixed for old hardware, or will the speculation remain of another service changing its mode to promiscuous momentarily for the sake of more data collection.
  • zenmac 1y ago
    And also AD-Hoc wifi which was quietly taken away. Many many developer rely on it. Yes there are some apps that the added latency via wifi hub vs ad-hoc wifi makes the difference!!!!
    • The_President 1y ago
      I imagine there will be a day soon when disabling wifi and bluetooth will no longer be behind five button presses, rather just always on.
• system7rocks 1y ago
  My first impressions? It's fine. It will take a bit of getting used to, but there are some design elements that actually do make sense.
• semiinfinitely 1y ago
  I will not be installing this one!
• HenriTEL 1y ago
  Among all macOS apps and their weird choices, finder is the most enigmatic one. The Recents tab sorts by Last Opened by default where I would expect to see the rencently added files first. Sorting by another column will not add said column to the view. Files from the Downloads folders seems to be excluded from Recents, or they take hours to be taken into account. It does not show the current path, no button to go up the file tree, the only text input is behind this search button and it does not understand relative or full paths. Well, thank god I have a terminal and an IDE at hand.
• roody15 1y ago
  Email I sent to staff Good Afternoon, Apple released its new operating system today, macOS Tahoe. This is a full version upgrade (26.0) with a new look, feel, and many changes. At this time, I recommend NOT updating to Tahoe for the following reasons: Stability: Version 26.0 is the first release and, like most “.0” versions, contains glitches that will take time to fix. Later versions (26.1, 26.2, etc.) are expected to address these issues. Release Cycle: Apple now releases a new macOS every year instead of every two years. These initial yearly releases are often closer to “beta” products, and Apple typically patches problems over the first 6–8 weeks. There is no real advantage to upgrading right now. It’s best to wait 6–8 weeks until the system stabilizes and then reevaluate. How to Skip the Upgrade When prompted, simply do not click “Upgrade Now.” This upgrade may pop up on your machine over the course of the next few days. Close the upgrade window, or scroll down to select other updates. For reference, macOS Sequoia (15.x) is now at version 15.7, which means it’s very stable and well-patched.
• mantra2 1y ago
  Wake me up when it's 26.1 o'clock.
• filchermcurr 1y ago
  I'm trying to give it a chance but it's kind of rough. - File save dialog has a massively reduced width sidebar. It has a resize handle. But the resize handle does nothing. This is the most infuriating thing for me because all of my sidebar locations are cut off. - M4 Pro Macbook Pro and I'm now experiencing stuttering when scrolling. - Why is everything in Spotlight enormous?! Was it always like this and I just seemingly never noticed? Otherwise, if you 'reduce transparency' and turn off 'tint window background with wallpaper color' (both of which I had done already anyway), things are decidedly nicer visually.
• AstroBen 1y ago
  I'm not a fan of the forced border radius on maximized (but not full screen) apps Other than that I tilt slightly towards the 'like it' side. Really like it on iOS
  • AstroBen 1y ago
    update: my god how did they release it in this state. The inconsistencies in the UI.. my dark mode widgets are now white.. different border radiuses by app.. I've found 2 UI bugs in under an hour
• docmars 1y ago
  This update is hideous. I'm already regretting the upgrade. So many design flaws that it's too distracting to use.
• mind_orbit 1y ago
  Not gonna lie, it’s still ugly to me. But same story with every macOS - give it a few weeks and you forget about it and just use your Mac
• ChrisRR 1y ago
  Isn't this what KDE 4 did like 15 years ago?
• jemiluv8 1y ago
  MacOS updates are probably the best I know of for any unix-like OS. It was one of the main benefits of switching from ubuntu. I just did the update this morning and I'm carrying on with my work like nothing happened. I'm a software developer and run everything from docker to ios/android simulators and vscode. All seems fine.
• rducksherlock 1y ago
  THE CURSOR (╯°益°)╯彡┻━┻
• Drblessing 1y ago
  This new UI is incredible! Great job Apple.
• drunkensailor 1y ago
  I am not entirely sure what made Apple to take on this way. Really doesn't make any sense to anyone. Seqouia was fine and no one was asking for a new UI. People wanted to see more featured on the operating system. Meaningfull changes that can make difference in their lives. Apple seems totally out of ideas at this point and now. What makes me worried is how much money that they probably spending su supress youtube content creators and the press. Everyone is talking about how Tahoe is good like they are given some sort of script. I have seen a youtuber that talking about the features while the visual glitches are right there in front of him and he was desparetly struggling to not take attention to there.