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- willseth 3y agoIs anyone else confused by the inclusion of a temperature sensor? Was there a demo that explains why anyone would want this? What?
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- chickenpotpie 3y agoMy guess is that it's for AI photo editing features. The temperature can help the AI model determine people from objects.
- losvedir 3y agoI'm intrigued by it. To be clear, it reads surface temperature, not ambient temperature. The demo gave the example of a hot pot on the stove, I think, and they mentioned they've submitted something to the FDA to take your temperature (to see if you have a fever).
- cdchn 3y agoMaybe part of face unlock like liveness detectors for fingerprint scanners.
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- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoSeems to me to be a holdover from 2020. Interesting that Google assumed we'd still be measuring temps at this point.
- nsriv 3y agoThis was my first thought as well. Curious to see if it functions similarly or within a certain tolerance of one of those much more expensive FLIR temp gauges you see laptop reviewers use. MKBHD video showed that it asks for 5cm distance from object being measured and for you to tap to select type of material, which notably excludes skin temp.
- deprecative 3y agoIt may exclude skin temperature but during the keynote they mentioned working the FDA to allow it to be used on skin.
- omoikane 3y agoMaybe the plan is to eventually have the phone include every possible sensor and do everything. https://xkcd.com/2212/ https://xkcd.com/2212/
- modeless 3y agoCan I have a mass spectrometer in my next phone?
- mupuff1234 3y agoA pixel 7 for $400 seems like a much better deal.
- andrewstuart2 3y agoI'm really glad to see both the partnership with iFixit and the 7 years of support. Because everything else seems mostly meh to me, and while I'm upgrading this year from a Pixel 6 Pro, the continued diminished returns make it seem likely that 2-3 years from now I won't have as much reason to.
- sho_hn 3y agoMy impression is that the flagships have become fairly interchangeable (aside from perhaps the new Xperia, which still has its own character to some extent) and which one "is the one to buy" is now mostly down when you're in the market to buy. As in, this one is debuting the new Samsung GN2 cam sensor and I think the SoC manufacturing process node, ahead of whenever Samsung and the others post their new updated devices. So for a few months this is probably the one to get, until a competitor drops the next set of updates from the HW supply chain, and so on. Three years of updates and iFixit are great and could be differentiating for now, but hopefully the rest of the ecosystem will catch up to that standard.
- Scene_Cast2 3y agoI know GN2 might have been just an arbitrary example, but it looks like GN2 didn't make it to the 8 pro (contrary to the rumors).
- sho_hn 3y agoOh, do you have a source? The pre-release coverage still talked a lot about the GN2 even days ago, and to me it was more or less the defining new HW drop in this phone. It's a lot less exciting without a sensor upgrade and would be mostly playing catch-up otherwise.
- Scene_Cast2 3y agoNot the strongest sources, but: https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-60107.php https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-60107.php - comments tipped me off; then googling for "pixel 8 GN2; last hour" gets me links like https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-8-pro-release-date-price-specs-rumors-leaks-3267400/ https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-8-pro-release-... where the cache has the reference but the current page doesn't.
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- nicbou 3y agoIt's a mix of good and bad. The iPhone is generally very good, and the integration with other Apple products is unmatched. ...but my Android runs Firefox with uBlock Origin. I forget that cookie banners exist until I use my iPad. It also runs two background apps pretty reliably: a GPS logger and Syncthing. It respects my default web browser and music player choices. Quality is subjective. For my specific needs, I prefer Android. If those things were solved I would have an iPhone.
- yonibot 3y agoSafari for iOS also has adblockers
- throw9away6 3y agoI pay 4$ a year for ad block plus for iOS. Totally worth it and blocks YouTube ads
- goosedragons 3y agoThat aren't as good as Ublock Origin for Firefox. There's also no AFAIK way to do something like what NoScript does for Firefox.
- AlotOfReading 3y agoSame situation. I have both, my work phone is an iPhone. I just don't like using it. There's nothing major, both operating systems are capable, but there's little reminders everywhere that Apple is the one dictating how the phone can be used. Can't organize home screen icons. Uncontrollable notification spam by the system. Apple's apps mostly don't have individual privacy controls. Apple maps. Limited optical zoom. Having to find and use a special cable. All of these are minor gripes (and the latter even resolved going forward), but why pay a premium for a device that irritates me?
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- baxuz 3y ago"Change your region and language" No, Google. Fix your shit. You're a global 1.70 trillion dollar company, not a local microbrewery.
- vetinari 3y agoEven after you change your region and language, it will drop you to the front page. If you try to click the direct link again, it will redirect you to "Change your region and language". That's beyond broken.
- tpm 3y agoYeah, one of the biggest companies in the world and still not selling the phones in our country. I actually used Pixel phones a few years back, but currently with no working 5G it's not going to happen.
- kyriakos 3y agoA very small part of the world is supported unfortunately and the situation year to year has not been improving. On the other hand samsung and apple are available everywhere.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoYeah it's pretty stupid that this trillion dollar company can't figure out how to sell a phone worldwide. I'm actually gonna have to import this thing if I want to run GrapheneOS.
- ireallywantthat 3y agoToo expensive for my tastes. Give me 380USD phone which lasts for next 5-8 years, feels premium, is repairable, camera is decent, replaceable battery, OS is just Vanilla Android with atleast 5 years(more years of Software updates would be welcome) of Software Updates and when you can't provide it, make it hackable enough to install Custom ROMs.
- manuelabeledo 3y agoSadly, you are part of a minority that rarely gets any attention from mainstream manufacturers.
- sho_hn 3y agoSamsung sells their regularly-refreshed A series into something close to this price range, and they're great devices. For some reason they don't get nearly as much attention in the US as they do in Europe and other parts of the world, though.
- Night_Thastus 3y agoYep. My first smartphone was the A50, which has done well up until now. (Though I may upgrade to make android auto stuff a bit faster)
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- soperj 3y agoI still don't get the "premium feel" line when everyone covers their phone in a case anyway. I don't care if my phone is made of plastic when it actually makes it less prone to breaking when dropped.
- Jcampuzano2 3y agoI've been saying this to people for years. Tons of companies market how a phone feels, its looks/colors but then almost everybody just ends up slapping a case on it. I literally couldn't care what a phone was made out of/how it feels since I just put a case on it before I even use it for a day in most situations.
- joduplessis 3y agoOooooh wow, that strip - no thanks. First impressions of the aesthetic: clouds & bubblegum.
- ForkMeOnTinder 3y agoThat strip is part of the deal if you're buying a pixel. https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_6-pictures-11037.php https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_6-pictures-11037.php https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_7-pictures-11903.php https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_7-pictures-11903.php https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_8-pictures-12546.php https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_8-pictures-12546.php
- joduplessis 3y agoWow, I have not noticed that before!
- gpm 3y agoI actually really like the strip on my pixel. Being able to support the phone by the bottom of the strip instead of squeezing it feels good.
- xnx 3y agoLargely invisible once it's in a case
- bigstrat2003 3y agoI don't put my phone in a case and don't understand why people do. Dropping your phone is a rare event, not a serious risk.
- devit 3y agoIn my experience most of the flagship phones are slippery enough that it's not a rare event to drop them if you don't use a case made out of a higher friction material. Of course that's an incredibly dumb design, but unfortunately they are made like that.
- dmbche 3y agoIs this one able to call 911?
- nicbou 3y ago6.7 inch screen. My Pixel 5 is already big. This one is an inch bigger in my hand and in my pockets. Price increase. 875€ in Europe. The Pixel 5 was 630€. Do you really get 40% more phone?
- ForkMeOnTinder 3y agoInterestingly the non-Pro pixels have been trending in the right direction for size. The Pixel 6 is 6.4" The Pixel 7 is 6.3" The Pixel 8 is 6.2" If the trend continues we only have to wait 3 more years for a < 6" phone
- Tade0 3y agoI remember when such phones were in a different size category named "phablets".
- abdusco 3y agoThey had huge bezels. I feel like current phones with huge displays are at most as big as then-phablets or even smaller.
- plorkyeran 3y agoThe original galaxy note was 147 x 83 x 9.7: slightly wider and thicker than the pixel 8, but not quite as tall. Overall very similar in size, but with a 5.3" screen rather than 6.2".
- hbn 3y agoOur thumbs haven't grown in the past decade and they now are expected to stretch longer distances. I can't even reach the opposite top corner with my thumb on my iPhone 13 mini
- cdchn 3y agoStop me if you're head this one before but I'm going to tune you into a neat trick. Use your other hand.
- nimos 3y agoTBH the most interesting feature to me is screen brightness. I have a pixel 6 and it's not TERRIBLE in bright sunlight but it is... not great. Not sure that quite gets me interested in upgrading though. Cameras seem better I guess - have to wait on reviews for that.
- cogman10 3y agoI pretty much just go from security update to security update. My 6 is working fine right now and I have no reason to abandon ship for the 8. My wife, on the other hand, has a 5 which falls out of support this month. So, she's getting the 8.
- lanius 3y agoDo you have adaptive brightness enabled? For the longest time I did not realize that the screen doesn't achieve max brightness despite the brightness slider manually set to the max unless it's enabled.
- buggeryorkshire 3y agoI have a P6P and the general brightness is awful. My old P5 is brighter, which I still own. The Android 14 I just installed on the P6P massively improved the dark light performance of the camera though. Not tried it on the P5 That said it's not worth me upgrading - I'll wait til the P9P.
- haunter 3y agoStill only available in 26 countries. Joke.
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- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoI was interested in this release. But right now it's a $20 difference here in CAD between the Pixel 8 Pro 256 GB and the S23 Ultra 256 GB (there's a sale going on for the S23). With all of the Pixel's heat, battery, and connectivity issues (bad reception I can live with, but not knowing if I can call 911?), I can't justify it at all.
- chenzhekl 3y agoAlso, S23 Ultra is equipped with Snapdragon 8Gen2, which is much more powerful than Tensor G3. The latter is almost equivalent to 8+Gen1 in terms of CPU and GPU.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoI honestly don't much care for benchmarks, but in this case there's a direct correlation between power and efficiency. The Pixel Pros are typically very poor for battery life and that's really what I care about.
- guyzero 3y agoBut you have to deal with Samsung's UI in the S23 Ultra. It's still not that great after over a decade of existence.
- valzam 3y agoContrapoint: Samsungs UI is much cleaner than modern pixel phones. After a minimal amount of setup it gets much less in the way than stock android on pixel phones.
- dmt0 3y agoOnce you install a launcher of your choice, there's not much left of the Samsung UI. Just the pulldown and the settings.
- e12e 3y agoWait, have they changed handling of (e)SIMs? I'm happily using two eSIMs on my pixel pro 7 (work and private). But looks like this supports only one physical and one eSIM?
- flotzam 3y agoThe Pixel 7 Pro only has one eSIM chip too, which you're using with the MEP (Multiple Enabled Profiles) feature: "This feature allows devices to have dual SIM support using a single eSIM chip, which can have multiple SIM profiles and can connect to two different carriers at the same time." https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/esim-mep https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/esim-mep
- syncbehind 3y agoI wonder if the audio magic eraser feature will make it to older pixel phones. That and the best-shot one seemed very interesting. It also seems very arbitrarily limited to the newer ones, 7/7pro seem like they should be more than capable of driving these features. Is software limiting going to be the norm going forward for phones? Because, I don't think this is worth upgrading from last years phones from a hardware basis. Perhaps, we've reached a point in smartphones where the development cycles will be more iterative, instead of truly groundbreaking.
- seabrookmx 3y agoI think we've been there for quite some time. iOS is also limiting certain features based on model like this. The new 15 has certain image processing features the 14 Pro doesn't get, even though they have the same SoC.
- alephxyz 3y agoThey've already been limiting some of the "AI" image editing features to newer pixels (but installing the same app package on older phones works just fine).
- kevstev 3y agoIs that confirmed? Do you have any further sources on that? I am not questioning, just interested in learning more. I had kinda assumed that the new chips had new instructions that supported these features. Kinda lame if they are literally just gating them to new phones.
- xnx 3y agoI couldn't find a comprehensive history of all the features that have debuted on a new phone and then been allowed on older phones, but it's fairly common. 2 examples are listed here: https://www.phonearena.com/news/pixel-6-series-gets-pixel-7-line-feature_id145899 https://www.phonearena.com/news/pixel-6-series-gets-pixel-7-...
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- Kiuhrly1 3y agoHonestly the most appealing thing for me is the seven years of software support. The Pixel 5 support leaves a lot to be desired, given that I don't even want to upgrade from the hardware. The demo video of their AI photo editor was kind of mind blowing but ultimately not a feature I would use. I've seen a few complaints about their automatic photo processing as well, which you can't disable in the official camera app. Overall the majority of their features seem to be software which is tied to Google apps/services, which doesn't sit well with me.
- vmt-man 3y agoGCam HDR is a horrible thing and you can't disable it anymore :( AI editor with "everyone smilling" trend reminded me Black Mirror :)
- kelnos 3y ago> Honestly the most appealing thing for me is the seven years of software support Yup. I've been clinging to my Pixel 4, but it hasn't gotten security updates in a year, which I'm not particularly comfortable with (been lucky so far, knock on wood). I might pick up the Pixel 8 (not Pro, god that thing is huge) mainly due to the support lifetime. And it does seem like their non-Pro releases are actually decreasing in physical size for the past few years. Still a couple/few mm larger than the Pixel 4, but that's doable, I think.
- hmottestad 3y agoWould have been more impressive if they said “and also, we are making this update available to all devices released in the last 7 years!”
- drcongo 3y agoReminds me of a Ford Edsel.
- garba_dlm 3y agoI will never get used to this geo-determined internet (i cannot see the phone's page without a vpn) is like we developed this new amazing inter-connection network. and then due to politics, decided it was much too good... far too much freedom without national barriers, so we've gone on to reintroduce these barriers. as if the internet was restricted by the same geographical (physical) realities that we commonly encounter. but nothing will ever be as dumb as the re-introducing material scarcity (DRM schemes) back into the 'cyberspace' just so a few can keep making money out of what they already did; possibly for several generations of descendants
- mattanimation 3y agoI'm still running a Pixel 2...
- slashtab 3y agoIt's your choice but it's not safe.
- cobertos 3y agoIs there any way to make it safe? I've bought newer pixels and they are a downgrade all around for me. I just want security updates and the ability to browse on-device files/do file management (newer Androids keep restricting further and further)
- barbazoo 3y agoPossibly https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/walleye/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/walleye/
- slashtab 3y agoLineageOS is not the answer. Check out the DivestOS, it is known for supporting 'out of support' devices. but I would strongly suggest you to change your device, that is too old. There is new vunrebility each month.
- mlegendre 3y ago> LineageOS is not the answer Could you expand on that? I am curious because I have been using LineageOS on Pixel 2 / Pixel 2 XL phones for a while (and it works very well, I might add), but I am kinda clueless when it comes to Android security.
- _rdvw 3y agoDivestOS is my project. Here are the 170+ kernel CVE patches applied on top of what Lineage provides for Pixel 2 series: https://gitlab.com/divested-mobile/divestos-build/-/blob/master/Scripts/LineageOS-20.0/CVE_Patchers/android_kernel_google_wahoo.sh https://gitlab.com/divested-mobile/divestos-build/-/blob/mas... Plus it just provides updates quicker, eg. the recent WebP CVE was first fixed in DivestOS before other aftermarket systems. https://divestos.org/pages/news https://divestos.org/pages/news And provides rapid out-of-band WebView updates: https://divestos.org/misc/ch-dates.txt https://divestos.org/misc/ch-dates.txt See my other notes here: https://divestos.org/pages/patch_levels#osSecurity https://divestos.org/pages/patch_levels#osSecurity And also this independent table: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
- lnxg33k1 3y agoIt's awesome to me when they do these kind of pages and then there are 28 footnotes, can you even trust any claim on the page, would you even bother reading them at a certain point
- cantSpellSober 3y ago> Best Take uses [...] an on-device algorithm creates a blended image from a series of photos to get everyone’s best look Sounds like Photoshop's image stacks, that "process the multiple images to produce a composite view that eliminates unwanted content" Cool when applied to make a crowded place look empty. Useful, albeit creepy when you apply it to disembodied heads.
- xnx 3y agoGoogle Plus had this feature in 2013: https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1400574775/hands-on-with-google-plus-photo-update#:~:text=If%20you%20upload%20a%20series,to%20see%20the%20source%20shots https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1400574775/hands-on-with-g....
- vmt-man 3y agoReminds me Black Mirror vibes :)
- hstaab 3y agoIt looks just like Frozone from The Incredibles
- modzu 3y agopixel 6 and 7 have severly weak fingerprint sensors, they overheat, and have basic telephone connectivity issues. its unfortunate not to see any of these basic table stakes addressed and instead just get a dog and pony show for the camera software and how it can produce fake photos
- IE6 3y ago> and have basic telephone connectivity issues This turned me off to Pixel phones indefinitely. I got the Pixel 6 Pro and it could not figure out what it should be connected to: WiFi, 5G, or 4G and of course rather than just choosing one it decided to not have any connection whatsoever unless I moved a few hundred feet to a different location or rebooted the phone. There was lots of discussion around this and youtubers even covered it but rather than fix the issue Google focused on releasing the next phone.
- RedComet 3y agoThe fingerprint sensors on the 6 and newer are terrible and massive downgrades in every way from previous models. Is there any indication that the 8 is moving to ultrasonic as rumored?
- karencarits 3y agoI hope they will improve the photo post-processing. Currently, I have the pixel 7 pro, and the camera app really alters people more than I like. Fortunately, you can also save RAW files. The rumors on Reddit said that the processing algorithm may have been developed for cameras with lower resolutions - if that's true, the results on pixel 8 will be even worse
- OneLeggedCat 3y agoThe camera (actually cameras) on my Pixel 7 Pro is the most over-hyped mediocrity ever. I can't believe that it reviewed so well. The jpeg processing is so over-done that everything looks like cartoons and plastic. The video drops dozens of frames when zooming in and out. The raws are not real raws, but are instead just less processed pseudo-raws, and yet still have terrible dynamic range anyway. I do like the colors of the jpegs.
- vmt-man 3y agoTotally agree with you. I think Google targets to housewifes (mediocre photography taste): - Bright photos - Smiling faces - Vivid unnatural colors I hate that they removed ability to disable thair **ing HDR. p.s: Pixel 6 owner
- pulpfictional 3y agoThat housewife remark is uncalled for.
- simonsarris 3y agoThe skin waxing (probably aggressive noise reduction) on the Pixel 7 Pro is so bad it's changed how I take photos. I no longer try to get faces in my photos unless the light is very bright and they're close and near the center of the frame (the very bad barrel distortion is another problem with faces, they cannot be too close to the edges or they'll be comically elongated) The Pixel 2 XL camera was better, I swear
- charcoalhobo 3y ago
- krzyk 3y agoI wonder if this time they allow you to take that 50Mpix photos, or are they magically transformed to 12Mpix again. Pixel 7 Pro also had 50Mpix sensor.
- nsriv 3y agoThe Pro gives you access to full res RAW images from each sensor which are all 48mp (on the Pro, not sure about regular), not accounting for digital crops, which are 12mp center binned. As a sidebar, you're all over this thread with negatively framed and inaccurate musings on features, so I'd recommend you give the product page or critical reviews a more serious look rather than letting other people do the work for you by correcting.
- krzyk 3y agoI came here after reading the product page, and comparing it to Pixel 7 pro. Bith have similar sensor with 50mpix, they don't mention what is mpix if actual jpegs in neither of the pages. 7 got 12mpix jpegs. Face Unlock is also not that promoted as it should be, I didn't see the note about it being strong security from just the selfie camera. That's the single feature that will make it buy that phone and ditch Pixel 4. All over? Just two posts, one which is still not decided until someone gets a hand on the phone and make some photos.
- lazycouchpotato 3y agoThe keynote said 50 MP photos. https://youtu.be/rtESARyV15g?feature=shared&t=2563 https://youtu.be/rtESARyV15g?feature=shared&t=2563
- krzyk 3y agoAnd again no Face Unlock like we had in Pixel 4 :( COVID basically ended and they still won't bring that back, I was hoping that Apple push for that will make Android phones also with a nice and secure face unlocking (for us that have issues with fingerprint sensors not recognizing their fingerprints)
- stonewhite 3y agoFeatures do include Face Unlock if you scroll down enough
- krzyk 3y agoThat's the unsecure one with only camera. And they don't allow to use that where fingerprint. Pixel 4 had dot projector for security.
- Grazester 3y agoApparently it is secure enough to use for payment apps now on the Pixel 8
- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoThey seem fairly confident in it. "Face Unlock on Pixel 8 now meets the strongest Android biometric class and can be used for banking app sign-in and payment apps like Google Wallet." https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-tensor-g3-pixel-8/ https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-tensor-g3-pixel-8/
- ThePowerOfFuet 3y agoFace unlock without a 3D sensor is insecure, period.
- fullstop 3y agoThe Pixel 4 had lidar for that feature.
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- retskrad 3y agoThe Pixel has like 1% of smartphone market and Google has been making their down devices for 10 years now! I have two questions: 1. Why hasn’t Google pulled the plug and thrown in the white towel yet? People have voted with their wallets and chosen Samsung and Apple. 2. Why is the Pixel devices getting such a massive news coverage? Other smartphone ORM’s with similar market share doesn’t get the same treatment.
- Darky 3y ago1. it's not a vote, it's a market. 2. Pixel devices set the standard for every other android phones. the coverage is legit.
- Xeamek 3y agoHow do pixels set the standard any differenty then samsungs?
- bmcahren 3y agoSamsungs are non-standard by default. They take the AOSP experience which Pixel fully embraces then they hack in cute fonts, water drop overlays, and replace the default tooling that comes with Android to build their samsung experience. Pixel drives and creates the innovation like cut-out display support, notification APIs that support multi-media control for instance across multiple apps, sound multi-plexing between apps, how calls interact with multimedia apps, foldable display support, app switching, fingerprint unlock support, the android API, etc. Samsung takes that, twists it into their own. In that essence, Pixel is the standard experience that Android is meant to be whereas Samsung is a customized experience built on the backbone of Android and in some ways in opposition to Android Open Source Project & Pixel Launcher's ideals. Samsung android phones are the Ubuntu whereas Pixel is Google's Debian.
- Xeamek 3y agoExcept there is no such thing as "AOSP" experience anymore. Why? Because AOSP stopped providing majority of apps that would be considered core for functioning smartphone. There is no more "phone" app on AOSP. There is a Google one, that is closed source, full off unnecessary integration and telemetry. Sure, both are made by the same company (google), but that's not remotely what the original idea of AOSP was about. And we should stop giving google a pass treating it as if it's somehow better when doing the exact same shit as other third party vendors, simply because it has the brand. Either you are part of AOSP, or You are a third party vendor's custom. No in-between. You are mixing pixel with AOSP, but those are completely separate projects. Sure, aosp development is sponsored and managed by google, but that doesn't make it synonymous with pixels. I assure you that people who develop AOSP work with all the major vendors and definitely aren't just driven by what pixel team wants and nothing more. >foldables Seriously? Samsung had first foldable 4 years ago, while first foldable pixel launched this year. In what world does pixel contributed to foldableAPI more? I mean, I guess in the world we're you treat AOSP and pixel team unanimously maybe, but that's not the real one. >pixel is standardized experience Just because google says so? Standardized experience of AOSP is AOSP. Everything else is addition. Your debian and Ubuntu analogy fails to acknowledge that Google apps are NOT open source. More apt comparison would be samsung being modern ubuntu 22 with all the bloat that it has, while Google being "only" 14.04 ubuntu with less bloat, but still far from the true purity
- daft_pink 3y agoSnoozer like the iPhone 15 release. No real innovation, just a new chip, improved cameras, and a bunch of waxing and waning about premium materials that I will never see again after I slap a case on it.
- hbn 3y agoWhy do people expect to be blown away every year? Most people upgrade their phone every 2-3 years. This isn't the early smartphone days where there was tons of room for improvement. Moore's law has gotten increasingly closer to ending, screens are as pixel dense as necessary, and people generally are satisfied with the capabilities of their phone. Starting around 2017 smartphones as we know them peaked and so they just shove bigger/better/more cameras into them for the most part.
- proee 3y agoThere is tons of room for innovation in phones, but most companies don't want to risk deviating from what consumers think they want (just like Hollywood movies). I'm sure the HN crowd could come together and form a list of 100 ideas that are truly innovative in the phone space. However, these ideas are quite risky to bring to market. Some ideas: 1. Super Amazing Sound playback (next level) 2. Rollable display 3. More I/O (for 3rd party ecosystems)
- marcellus23 3y ago> Super Amazing Sound playback (next level) What does this even mean?
- 01100011 3y agoHow much of that can be delivered at a price point that is acceptable to consumers?
- tick_tock_tick 3y agoYeah but those are all worthless for selling a phone.
- crossroadsguy 3y agoIs there an Apple’s Elop at Google now? I am asking this in all seriousness. How does this cost for this phone make any sense! Or maybe Google finally learned it from Apple that all you have do is declared a phone flagship and bump its cost dearly - then enjoy sights of people in long queues.
- OneLeggedCat 3y agoI wonder if the fingerprint and face authentication still suck.
- ksec 3y agoStill no availability in Hong Kong.
- braydenm 3y agoIs there any word on whether the modem has moved to a different supplier? I previously suffered challenges having to soft-reset Pixel 6/7 to "Fix Connectivity" fairly frequently.
- dang 3y agoRelated ongoing thread: Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37766122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37766122 - Oct 2023 (269 comments)
- nneonneo 3y agoCool, maybe they can fix emergency calling sometime in that seven year window? https://www.androidauthority.com/psa-google-pixel-911-emergency-calling-issues-3362990/ https://www.androidauthority.com/psa-google-pixel-911-emerge...
- awill 3y agothat was incredible embarrassing. I remember it was the end of December, and they said "it won't be in the January update. Just wait until February" I cannot imagine Apple doing that.
- kelnos 3y ago"Was"? You mean "is". The issue is still ongoing for many people.
- buttersbrian 3y agoApple has had some equally frustrating and embarrassing misses in their time. No manufacturer is 100%.
- fomine3 3y agoApple also failed emergency call (with a eSIM situation) and took three month to fix in Japan (where iPhone takes half of market share). https://asahi-net.jp/en/news/20211105_01.html https://asahi-net.jp/en/news/20211105_01.html https://www.kobonemi.com/entry/2021/12/16/iPhone-%E6%8A%80%E9%81%A9%E4%B8%8D%E9%81%A9%E5%90%88 https://www.kobonemi.com/entry/2021/12/16/iPhone-%E6%8A%80%E...
- Alupis 3y agoFTFA: > The issue was traced to Microsoft Teams I want to know how a crappy app from Microsoft can break the dialer on my phone. What the hell?
- nneonneo 3y agoThe recent issue (from the last two years) does not appear to be Teams-related. The Teams thing was from the first wave of emergency call failures, which was traced to a bad interaction between Teams and the Android dialer.
- esafak 3y agoSo they are incorporating that group-portrait-correction feature (RealFill) after all. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37708292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37708292
- deergomoo 3y agoComparing this to the regular Pixel 8 it doesn't look like you get an awful lot more for your extra £300, I'm surprised there's such a delta. Bigger screen (which for many is a minus not a plus), an extra 4GB RAM (still seems absurd to me that we need this much RAM on a phone) and more capable/additional auxiliary cameras. I suppose the charitable take is that £700 feels like a pretty good deal for the non-Pro one.
- 01100011 3y agoI'd love the telephoto camera for outdoor shots, but I can't stand the price or the size of the phone. Even with the Google Fi discount of $300, the price($500 with trade-in) is too much to justify. I guess I'll stick with my Pixel 5A.
- havblue 3y agoYou do get the watch for free with a preorder so you get an extra tiny screen to go with your new gigantic screen.
- tidenly 3y agoUnless the battery is seriously improved I wouldn't pay it much mind. The pixel watch is one of my biggest purchase regrets and basically just sits off on my arm as an accessory.
- havblue 3y agoIt was "free", but I rationalized that I'll have it for exercise and to hopefully reduce the amount of time I look at the gigantic screen. However, the way these purchases usually go is that you can't buy your way to a better lifestyle. So I'll find out eventually if it's just another gadget that collects dust on the shelf. That being said I did want the better camera on the pro.
- buttersbrian 3y agoCheck out best-buy. They are offering $100 more on lots of pixel trade-ins than the google or fi store.
- grepLeigh 3y agoThis is a meta comment, but I think it's extraordinary that we're only 15ish years from the first smartphone release and we've already reached the "boring" incremental improvement phase for these tiny pocket supercomputers. Consider how long it took PCs to reach the same stage (with a fraction of the adoption). It was like 20 years from Kenbak-1 to the 90s PC era.
- ActorNightly 3y agoI remember getting the original Motorolla droid back in 2010. Half of my friends had iPhones. Other half were still on regular phones. By 2014, everyone had a smartphone.
- neilv 3y agoCurrent LLMs and misc. deep learning enable an early kind of ubiquitous personalized AI augmentation that's always with you. One barrier to innovation here is that most of tech has shifted to think of empowering users as not the goal, but rather, empowering users is an occasional necessary step towards the company exploiting those users harder. We could use better thinking.
- antod 3y agoI really don't think the iPhone (or even Android) was the equivalent of the Kenbak-1 in terms of smartphones. There were "smartphones" before the iPhone. IMO the iPhone was the 90s PC era where these things got a lot better and more ubiquitous and less fragmented. And (also in my opinion) coincidentally 90s led into an the era where overly dominant OS vendor(s) were crushing the fun and freedom out of computing. Phones are harder to escape from that than with PCs though.
- kxrm 3y agoYep, I too remember Windows CE 5 on my Audiovox slide out keyboard phone which in 2006 was blowing people's minds. I got it purely so while on-call I wouldn't have to head home to handle incidents. It was a great mobile computing experience but terrible at being a phone.
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- kimbernator 3y agoIt's starting to feel silly, having a yearly release cycle for smartphones. So much of this product page is focused on new software functions that may have some vague relationship with the slightly upgraded hardware, but that could mostly be released to existing phones. Every new iPhone, Pixel, or Samsung phone basically claims the camera is marginally better and hey, look at these software features that have very little to do with the hardware and should not fundamentally be a reason to upgrade to this phone. There is so much time, effort, and physical waste that is generated by slightly redesigning phones every year purely for the sake of making sales (as opposed to meaningful improvement upon the existing design or introduction of a new hardware feature). Think not only of people upgrading for the sake of it, but all of the cases, screen protectors, and other assorted accessories cast in plastic for previous models that are garbage now. It would be nice if we could just space these things out to 5 years or so now, because that's probably how long it takes for anything to change enough to justify a new model.
- karolist 3y agoNot everyone lives on the same upgrade cycle, you can, but you're not supposed to change your phone every year. With iPhone 15, the majority of people upgrading would be 12 and older device owners.
- kimbernator 3y agoThat is technically true. However, I do find that a lot of people I know tend to get new phones well before they actually have a need for them. I don't entirely blame peoples' consumerism; As somebody who once worked in cell phone sales, the mere act of visiting a carrier store is likely to land you in front of a salesperson who is incentivized to sell new phones and lines indiscriminately. Not to mention the incredible amount of advertising that goes into phones - if people only upgraded when they needed new phones, I don't think Apple, Samsung, or Google would feel the need to advertise the new ones so aggressively. HN is likely a much more tech-literate crowd than the average person, so I think to a lot of us it seems silly to buy new phones every year. But I know that every time Apple releases a new iPhone, I get a call from my dad asking if it's worth upgrading from last year's model. I say no, nothing has changed, but the next time I see him he has it. Why? Because the salesperson made such a convincing case, not only about the merit of the new phone, but the fact that they could give him such a "deal" on it.
- otikik 3y agoOversized and overpriced.
- initplus 3y agoSame region locking nonsense there is every launch on the Google store. I understand you aren't selling this in my region, but not even letting me look at the product is super frustrating.
- deanc 3y agoYeah. They're absolutely shooting themselves in the foot. Makes no sense to me at all as it's good advertising for their brand and people all around the world are going to be interested. Here's an archive.is link which has most of the info [1] [1] https://archive.ph/RuBSk https://archive.ph/RuBSk
- trog 3y agoWhat is the point of being one of the largest technology companies in the world if you can't even provide basic global coverage to your websites and products?!
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- cdchn 3y agoI'm surprised Google isn't leaning more into their main advantage over Apple: AI. If it weren't for Call Screening and Wait-for-Me I'd have probably already switched over by now.
- cobertos 3y agoI'm still on the Pixel 3! I can't get off. I bounced off the Pixel 6. It's too big in my hand. The finger print sensor is in a weird spot. Android 13 is more restrictive. And worst? It's not faster or better. It's legitimately a hard _downgrade_ for me. I have 2 Pixel 3s now (microphone died and battery swelled) but they run everything snappy! I might just keep buying Pixel 3s off eBay, its so much cheaper. My main worry is lack of security updates, especially with the webp vulnerability.
- freedomben 3y agoI won't be moving off of the Pixel 5a until the hardware breaks. Fingerprint sensor on the back and the camera notch all the way to the left are so good. With the case on the phone, my finger naturally lands on the sensor when I pick it up and it unlocks lightning fast. I don't understand why we can't have fingerprint sensors on the back anymore :-(
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- matttb 3y agoMy wife and I are on the pixel 3 still as well. I hate the size of the 8, but that camera sure looks real nice... Her pixel 3 is also starting to shutdown randomly which is concerning since our last phones were the bootlooping nexus 5x.
- cobertos 3y agoYeah, both my Nexus and Pixel 1 had that issue. I lost 6 months photos and other data because of that. Now I continuously backup my entire phone to my file server when on my home wifi, and a whiff of a bootloop gets me rattled. My current Pixel 3 has done something similar twice, but it's going good so far so
- chromakode 3y agoHave you looked at the Zenphone 10? That appears to be the true Pixel 3 successor.
- kylecazar 3y agoIt's odd to me that my Pixel 7 Pro is worth less in trade-in value than iPhone 11. I'm sure there are reasons, but it stings a little.
- wffurr 3y agoAftermarket prices for Android devices are lower than iOS across the board. They depreciate faster.
- nicce 3y agoThat happens since software updates matter. Let’s see how this 7 year promise changes things.
- kelnos 3y agoI was surprised to see my Pixel 4 is worth $250 for trade-in. I've never actually traded in any of my old phones, on the fear that the new one might break at some point and I'd need a backup. Granted I've only once had to take advantage of this in the 13 years I've had smartphones. I didn't click all the way through, but I'm hoping you don't have to turn in the old phone immediately... I'd like to hang onto it for at least a couple weeks just in case I find the backup/restore process hasn't completely done its job.
- nerdwaller 3y ago> I didn't click all the way through, but I'm hoping you don't have to turn in the old phone immediately... I'd like to hang onto it for at least a couple weeks just in case I find the backup/restore process hasn't completely done its job. Last I remember looking the timeline is within 30 days of receiving the new device.
- KoftaBob 3y agothat’s probably to incentivize iphone users to switch over
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- LostLocalMan 3y agoI've been wanting to get off of my s21 ultra because it's extremely bulky and has gotten slow over the years. The killer feature keeping me on it is the 100x zoom for identifying birds and I haven't seen another phone rival it yet. To be clear the 100x zoom is awful quality and not really useful for anything beyond getting basic shapes and colors but for identifying far birds it's awesome.
- matsemann 3y agoMy S10 is still fast..
- gardenhedge 3y agoWhy does anyone spend 1k on a phone..
- lofaszvanitt 3y agoWhy does anyone spend so much on such a repugnant phone?
- therealmarv 3y agowhy not? It's for many people the most important daily device they use. (the people here are probably more on their computer)
- lofaszvanitt 3y agoI've been pondering about changing to this phone, but it's so ugly, I mean literally so ugly, that it always gives me the jives. It's the worst looking phone on the market, period. A hideous monstrosity, that noone considers buying. Maybe Chucky with the knife and this phone can be paired somehow, but I have serious doubts. Just go to ASUS' industrial designer, who dreamed up the Zenfone 10 design, hand him lots of black briefcases with blood diamonds and greenbacks, plus strawberry cakes and beg him to come up with something. And the colors... this is really the socks+sandals of the phone market.
- IshKebab 3y agoIt's not the best looking phone but that's ridiculous. It looks fine.
- lofaszvanitt 3y agoNo, a nightmare. That camera "bridge" is just horrible.
- timbit42 3y agoIt's better than Apple's notch.
- lofaszvanitt 3y agoThe Pixel Flip has an ok looking notch, but this one...
- Lutzb 3y agoThe depreciation between Pixels and iPhones is staggering. Trade-in in Germany on Google Store page: - Pixel 6 Pro 256gb ($999 on release) - 235€ - iPhone 13 Pro 256gb ($1099 on release) - 730€ While I am partial to Googles line of phones (had pretty much every Google phone since the nexus one), the loss of value is something I cannot really ignore any more when deciding to buy a phone.
- jacooper 3y agoThats why you just wait and get it cheap.
- eptcyka 3y agoOlder phones don't get significantly cheaper when bought new, used ones are a gamble, and the savings don't go that far anyway when you consider the amount of updates you'll be receiving diminishes.
- jacooper 3y agoPixels are supported for 7 years, starting with the 8. P6+ for 5 years Also I'm talking like a couple months later, not a whole year.
- lazycouchpotato 3y ago8 and 8 Pro are seven years of OS updates, but 6 and 7 are three years OS updates and five years of security updates.
- eptcyka 3y agoSure, but my perfectly working Pixel 5 is going out of support before the end of the year, I expect the resale value to be 0.
- Valakas_ 3y agoWho the hell cares that one's phone is going out of support? This anal obsession with OS updates for some people is honestly appalling. If the phone doesn't get updated every micro second the sky is falling and the phone becomes a dangerous place. What are you doing on your phone that you need to be on top of OS security so badly? Browsing on the dark web? Going to sketchy sites? Have no password savers or 2nd factor auth? I had a Samsung galaxy S7 until less than a year ago. Had ZERO issues. Now calculate how many years I was out of support. I have now a Pixel 4a5G. I will only trade it for another for the same reason I did with the S7 - when it becomes too slow. Or it explodes, or turns to dust.
- rayeigenfeldt 3y agoPixels Image Process way too much. They add stuff into photos which is not necessarily there in order to make them look better. These devices are terrible.
- owenpalmer 3y agoCan you give an example?
- DustinBrett 3y agoThe free watch included was the final thing to sell me on a pre-order.
- timmit 3y agoFor the people who cannot visit the url above, try this, https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-pixel-8-pro/ https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-pixel-8-pro/
- zidad 3y agoI recently bought a Pixel 7 after my Huawei P30 pro broke. The older Huawei model is so much better than the newer Pixel that it makes you think why they don't allow them to access the Play store anymore.
- k12sosse 3y agoBetter how, like, it rubs your feet for you?
- eBombzor 3y agoIn what way was the Huawei better? Not disagreeing, I myself regretted upgrading to the Pixel 7 from an S10e. Screen, portability, and speaker quality were all downgrades. And wasn't the whole play store debacle part of some US ban on Huawei? Something outside of Google's control?
- markdoubleyou 3y agoI "upgraded" from a Samsung Galaxy S9 to a Pixel 7 this year, only because Samsung stopped doing security updates. Big disappointment for me, too. The fingerprint scanner from that 2018 phone was 10x more reliable than the in-screen thing that the Pixel uses. I don't miss the battling software ecosystems (Samsung vs Google) on that old phone, though.
- eBombzor 3y agoOof. I forgot about how much better Samsung's sonic FP readers were. Yeah completely forgot about that from the S10e. I will say for the Pixel it's a little bit better now than it was at launch.
- zidad 3y agoBattery life, screen quality, performance.. It has of course all this super annoying bloatware you can't remove but some of the extra features were actually quite good and I miss those now (close all apps, how to create screen recordings and screenshot, etc). Yeah it was a forced by a US policy on a wider Huawei ban, which I think is more a "protect our companies" motivation.
- redbell 3y ago7 years of support is probably the single, most noticeable improvement in the Android ecosystem in years now. Also, the temperature sensor in the Pro, if it worked as expected, should be a cool addition.
- kkielhofner 3y agoFinally. The planned obsolescence conversation seems to revolve around Apple (the only self-interested greedy company on the planet according to the detractors) but they hold the record for software updates on smartphones - 10 years for the iPhone 5s. Here we are, in 2023, and Google is coming around to seven years of support. Apple has done at least seven since 2013. In any case I applaud this move and at least five years should be mandated by law. I wonder how many "random manufacturer drops a cheap Android on the market and walks away on software and support" Android devices there are sitting in landfills across the globe. Of course there are plenty of Apple devices as well but it's not due to lack of support.
- amf12 3y agoThere is a slight difference in how OS updates work in iOS and Android. iOS system apps release with the OS on an annual cycle, but in Android system apps are upgraded independently. Meaning, even without Android OS upgrades the device would get new system apps.
- kramerger 3y agoI have to repeat this in every discussion about Android updates :( It is almost as people in these Apple vs Android arguments have no idea how Android actually work...
- kkielhofner 3y agoAnd in every discussion mentioning Android and Apple people see it as some kind of religious debate. I do not care what anyone does or doesn’t use. I have no stake in this and I don’t see it as some kind of argument. That said, I do know this and your reply is based on either a misunderstanding of my point or optimism/enthusiasm for some kind of argument you seem to think we’re having. I’m not talking about the built in calculator app, browser, etc. I’m talking about the operating system version used and targeted for by applications. Compare an Android fragmentation chart to an iPhone/iOS fragmentation chart. It’s painfully obvious device support, updates, etc are still a mess in the Android ecosystem. Talk to any team deploying Android applications and the first pain point you will hear is how ridiculous the fragmentation is compared to iOS. It’s gotten better but it’s still a mess. Announcements like this are heading more in the right direction but I think it’s painfully clear that Apple got at least this one thing right from the start in their overall approach.
- wunderland 3y agoIf you’re really set on Android, I would buy a year old phone (so probably a “Pixel 7 Pro” if that’s a thing? Not sure when Google last changed their naming scheme). A year old iPhone goes for maybe €100-200 less than the new model, but last year’s Android phone is now basically half price.
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- synergy20 3y agostill using pixel3, except they stopped upgrading the software a while ago, still it's usable though some apps refuse to be upgraded, sigh
- brewtide 3y agoSame here, but Ive been using lineageOS on mine for a year or so now? Works great, minus the battery life. On first 'amazon' battery replacement and debating a 2nd. Broke the rear glass changing it last time -- but now I have a pixel 3 'panda'. Was really hoping to see a similarity sized phone. Also, do you use the squeeze feature of the phone? I use it all the time - to activate assistant in my pocket, squeezing through the pocket , and in headphones it pops up. Slick. Guess I'm just replacing another battery. Hope Google or some phone company is reading all these small phone requests. I understand the compromise may be battery life. I'm fine with that. It needs to fit in a pocket AND be able to bend around and do physical work without binding up or snapping in half.
- synergy20 3y agothanks! did not use the squeeze though, will try.
- nerdwaller 3y agoAt first the AI photo editing features surprised me as likely awkward, however with two little kids - I can see a lot of value here if it works well.
- vmt-man 3y agoIt's look really creepy :D
- doobiedowner 3y agoJust switched my work phone to a flip phone. Fuck smart phones. My life and job aren't that important for immediate email updates. I've got automated SMS texts for critical alarms. if something else is burning down, someone will call. I miss email on my phone, but it just makes me use the phone for what it is for: Talking
- xyzelement 3y agoI mean that's cool. But sometimes it's cool to video call my wife and kids when I am away, or to use Google maps to navigate / find something in a new area, make a quick video when the kids are doing something cute, etc. If none of these are your use case, totally cool but it does make life better for a lot of people.
- footlose_3815 3y agoIf I can't remove the Google's branding assistant from the homescreen, it's not my phone.
- cft 3y agoPro starts from $1000. First Android phone 's HTC Dream launch price was $180 (with a 2y contract), the phone had a physical keyboard, a physical trackball, a replaceable battery, it was a real work tool.
- dzhiurgis 3y agodang this redirects to nest homepage for me in nz - perhaps direct product link would work better https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_8_pro https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_8_pro
- Postosuchus 3y agoAhh... Classic! https://www.theonion.com/new-device-desirable-old-device-undesirable-1819571196 https://www.theonion.com/new-device-desirable-old-device-und...
- NorwegianDude 3y ago7 years of updates is big. The pixel 7 only had 2 years of feature updates and 5 years of security updates.
- oceanplexian 3y agoA decade selling phones and these guys still can't advertise their way out of a paper bag. GOOGLE ONE 10% CREDIT, FITBIT SUBSCRIPTION, 24 MONTHLY BILL CREDITS from GOOGLE FI. YOUTUBE PREMIUM. Wow am I pumped for all the SUBSCRIPTIONS I can now purchase.
- vore 3y agoIsn’t this the same thing Apple does? Carrier bill credit, Apple TV+ trial, Apple Fitness+ trial, Apple Arcade trial etc. Seems like any other kind of phone marketing to me.
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- TrueSlacker0 3y agoSweet so I can get $10 off via the website popup and then throw it away in 5 years when it no longer gets updates.
- BHSPitMonkey 3y agoIn 7, you mean?
- vmt-man 3y ago1) Google is more going forward towards mediocre photography. You can't turn off HDR (HDR in 99% cases is bad), now they introduced AI-tool to replaces unsmiling \ awkward faces. 2) Pixels going toward cloud based smartphones (Video Boost feature) - is really bad, no future proof. My fathers 2 XL works fine without updates, but with cloud based features Pixels gonna come crippled
- joebob42 3y agoStill using a pixel 3 I bought used for <150 3 years ago. Works totally fine, never slow, no issues with battery life. Before that had a p1 that worked for a long time too. Maybe I've just been lucky but I've had very good experiences with pixel phones.
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- an_aparallel 3y agowith a Pixel 6 Pro and graphene OS installed (and this was the same with stock Android) - i have to say the call quality is absolute garbage on this device. The picture quality on Graphene - also aweful. I am really upset that even this option is not great...Lineage seems so flaky :/ Dear Nokia - please make an S30+ based phone with a QWERTY keyboard....please.
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- jdeaton 3y agoIf you could retroactively give me 7 years software support on my pixel 5 that would be great thanks
- I_am_uncreative 3y agoI'm not getting this until LineageOS becomes available for it.. and maybe not even then, given that my 4a works just as well.
- layer8 3y agoIronically, the web page crashes Safari on my iPad.
- wly_cdgr 3y agoBro who cares Grow up
- rxyz 3y agoI'm from Poland so I'm not allowed to look at Pixel phones. Thanks Google
- SCdF 3y agohttps://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en&sjid=13333051586534105681-EU#zippy=%2Cpixel-later-including-fold https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en&s... 7 years of support! Now we are talking!
- cryptos 3y agoMaybe we should go back to pay for software. I'm willing to pay for new Android releases if I could use my phone longer. This would be fair for both sides: the manufacturer would earn money with the software and I would save money for a new phone and the environment would be saved from a lot of waste. Win-win-win!
- amadeuspagel 3y agoGoogle benefits as long as you use Android, with Play Store, Google Search and the general Google ecosystem. The problem with long-term support was lack of discipline, not lack of incentive.
- mirzap 3y agoIt's so ugly; why do people keep buying those ugly phones?
- elif 3y agoPlease Google, get rid of the camera bulge. I've use every single pixel from the Nexus line to the pixel to the 6, and the reason I skipped 7 is that the camera bar on the 6 is soo annoying. It makes the phone 'negatively compatible with wireless charging, that is to say, when I put it on the phone spot in my car, it makes just enough contact with the wireless charger to go in and out of barely-in-range, causing my phone to heat up and lose battery charge.
- amsterdorn 3y agoWhy are these phones so heavy now? Like others have said, still clinging to my 5 and hoping for another smaller Pixel. But size aside, I don't see why this phone should weigh ~30g more than my 5. Things are moving in the right direction (207g for Pixel 6 -> 197g for 7 -> 187g now), but I still value how light my 5 is at 151g, especially for one-handed use. Zenfone 10 is closest thing to a modern Pixel 5, and only weighs 172g. It checks almost all boxes for me, except eSIM support.
- KETpXDDzR 3y agoIf you own an older Pixel and want to enjoy the new software features, you can just side load the latest Android System Intelligence APK [0]. [0] https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/device-personalization-services/ https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/device-personalizat...
- tracker1 3y agoMeh. I'm sick of over priced phones. I'm holding on to my 3yo phone another year or two.
- ankurdhama 3y agoEvery phone in this price range have DP alt mode over usb c. Every Pixel phone nope.