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ChatGPT Plus

• diimdeep 4y ago
  $ 20 for "Big Data Markov chain", hard pass.
• paweladamczuk 4y ago
  Does anyone know about any privacy guarantees with the Plus tier? I would use ChatGPT more in my day-to-day programming tasks but I don't really feel comfortable putting proprietary code into an OpenAI-owned service.
  • coredog64 4y ago
    This. My employer would have a conniption if I shared information with ChatGPT, to the extent that personally paying for and using it for work would be a firing offense.
• Galanwe 4y ago
  Cool, a new subscription plan for US only, while the free version is still not available anywhere is Asia.
• cloudking 4y ago
  $20/month seems more reasonable than the rumored $42 (likely a Hitchhiker's Guide reference) If you are willing to pay for this service, why? What are your use cases?
  • freedomben 4y ago
    Where are you seeing pricing information? $20/month still feels pretty steep for someone not using it constantly. I was really hoping they'd have a pay-per-query or something like it similar to DALL-E
    • cloudking 4y ago
      The pricing information is on the OP link
    • cwkoss 4y ago
      Each dalle query is hugely expensive at ~$0.076 . They must have a 1000x markup on the incremental costs. Stable Diffusion is free, locally installable, and you can generate 1000 custom images in an hour. I'm looking forward to LLMs you can host on your local machine.
      • visarga 4y ago
        For language you need at least 8GPUs with 24GB instead of just one.
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  • ben_w 4y ago
    It seems to be able to code at least as well as a junior dev, so I think it could be up to, oh, a few thousand per month.
    • hathawsh 4y ago
      I wonder if it would make sense to re-train an AI like ChatGPT on a large internal code base and then ask it to write new modules in the style of existing modules. If the code it produces is only 30% correct, it would still save a ridiculous amount of time.
      • bubbleRefuge 4y ago
        Counting deployment. Testing. config generation . im expecting above 50% for ETL like projects.
  • zulln 4y ago
    Brainstorming all kind of subjects studied in uni. It gets me a lot of ideas to look up elsewhere, as I cannot take its suggestions as facts directly. Also use it similar to Grammarly. For $20 I would sign up without hesitation if it means it will not go down as often.
    • jarenmf 4y ago
      Exactly, I pay $12 for Grammarly which ChatGPT does way better. Also great for brainstorming ideas and having fun.
  • spaceman_2020 4y ago
    I taught myself to code just to build a prototype of a couple of products. ChatGPT seems to be good enough for figuring out a lot of functions and digging through documentation. I know that some of the code might be off and likely doesn't follow best practices, but my goal is just to get the prototype up and running. I've learned enough that I can put it all together. Learning any more will mean going down the full-time dev route, which, while enticing, is something I don't have enough time for. ChatGPT is just a way to speed up the process.
  • nickthegreek 4y ago
    My main use cases are: d&d prep, help re-writing important communications, some programming stuff. I'm sure I would use it even more if I got faster responses and I was paying for it.
    • MikeTheGreat 4y ago
      Ok, I gotta ask: D&D Prep? If you're comfortable sharing more I'd love to hear it. I think this hits the sweet spot of my nostalgia for playing D&D and this being the first application that doesn't feel like an existential threat in some way :)
      • nickthegreek 4y ago
        It is great for names: -Provide me with some names for a Frost Giant Clan. -Provide me with some names for a elf thieves guild. Last session I had a corrupted unicorn that the players need to subdue to cleanse her. So I asked chatGPT for possible rituals that could be used to cleanse the corruption. I also use it to come up examples of cons that npc's might try and pull and most recently a bunch of taunts that pixie's would sling at the group as they crossed the Whispering Woods. It's great for doing easy work and for bouncing ideas off of to shore up storylines or to spark creativity. And the biggest use case, flavor box text. - Describe a musty library with water damage. - Describe the players entering a peacefully glade that lets them know they can relax.
        • manbash 4y ago
          Hi fellow D&D Player/DM :) I pretty much am having the same positive experience. Additionally, I play around with it to generate statblocks.
  • dilap 4y ago
    i'll at least try out the subscription service i use it for tons of stuff i'm learning some foreign languages, and like to read newspaper articles in the target language. chatgpt is great at translating, and, what is really killer, i can ask follow-up questions to explain acronyms, references to people / institutions, etc. really just absolutely amazing. can also ask it to break down compound words (quite handy for german!) also great for programming/script questions. e.g., "write a git-push hook that errors out if a commit contains 'DO NOT PUSH'". i could figure that stuff out on my own, but it's way faster to have ChatGPT get me started. or for unity questions -- somehow chatgpt knows way more about unity than unity's own docs. :-) finally, i just find it useful for random questions. e.g., "recommend a good, cheap kitchen knife". "i have X, Y, Z ingredients, what's something tasty i can make?" it's honestly amazing. i do hit the content filter quite a lot tho (w/ innocuous stuff, i'm not even trying to do anything spicy!) -- i defnly wish premium would have a mode to turn that off, or at least turn it way down. if they persist in this, i'd assume over time some rival w/o the filter will eat their lunch. (unless such filters get legislated -- which is certainly a not-unlikely possibility.)
  • novaRom 4y ago
    For me, chatGPT is simply a good replacement for {stackexchange, reddit, wikipedia, github, google,bing, etc.}. All information is accessible in one place and it's easy to ask about anything and get a structured answer. My topics of interest are advanced math, philosophy of physics, and modern semiconductors technology.
    • creata 4y ago
      How do you get it to return anything useful for advanced math? It always gives me complete gibberish.
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      • btown 4y ago
        Reportedly they've just yesterday released an update to give it better mathematical capabilities, though I have no idea if it extends to advanced math. Might be worth trying again. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6825453-chatgpt-release-notes https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6825453-chatgpt-release-...
    • mmh0000 4y ago
      GPT is amazing as a stackexchange, et. el. replacement. Just earlier today I used GPT to answer a really simple question which I Google failed to answer. I just wanted to programmatically change a setting in a Kubernetes deployment, but I really didn't want to take the time to figure out the insane JSON nesting. This is so worth a subscription fee. Please write a kubectl command to correctly patch the imagePullPolicy to be equal to Always. kubectl patch deployment <deployment-name> --patch '{"spec":{"template":{"spec":{"containers":[{"name":"<container-name>","imagePullPolicy":"Always"}]}}}}'
      • pradn 4y ago
        Honestly just fiddling with quotes and parens takes forever - this is a nice usage.
  • epistemer 4y ago
    $20 is completely reasonable to me. I have come to see it as a brilliant savant friend that loves to tell bullshit stories. At first , I was hung up on the bullshit stories but the brilliant ideas are so good that I can put up with the bullshit. I am at the point that if I am thinking about something I want to know what my crazy friend thinks of it too. A totally moronic use case I have tried is writing one liners about marriage in the style of Rodney Dangerfield. prompt: Write a one liner about marriage in the style of Dangerfield "I told my wife she was drawing her eyebrows too high. She looked surprised." I think it is a stolen joke from the internet but the level of understanding from such sparse language is astounding to me.
  • wraptile 4y ago
    I'm using it for tech research and onboarding. It's just so convenient to ask "how to request github API with Go req library" and get a working answer even if it's not perfect. Novelty questions are awesome too. I'm studying philosophy as a hobby and it's surprisingly accurate at answering humanitarian questions which were always such a struggle for other assistants like Google search etc. I'm definitely paying 20$ though 42$ would be a tough call.
• KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
  Is there never going to be a version with less restrictions and filters? That would really be worth paying for.
  • forrestthewoods 4y ago
    Yes please. It really needs a “safe search off” mode. It can have a big disclaimer “if you ask for something offensive then you’ll get it”.
    • protonbob 4y ago
      The problem is that they actually want to shape the narrative to "safe" content that they approve of. It's disguised moral and political activism.
      • jchw 4y ago
        Seeing the way the media and public outcry goes, unfortunately, I think that it's not even really OpenAI's fault anymore, unless their handwringing about the dangers of releasing models for their transition to being closed helped fuel the fire. In any case, NovelAI seems to be the most hands-off company offering generations as a service, so if they ever run a ChatGPT clone I assume it will be the defacto choice if you don't like not being able to have generations with naughty words or worse. But seriously, even just googling for information about GPT turns up 1,000 articles exactly like this: https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/openai-gptinstruct https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/openai-gptinstruct
      • djur 4y ago
        The problem is that they don't want headlines saying "ChatGPT taught me to be the next Timothy McVeigh" or whatever. It's not moral or political activism any more than the vaguely Episcopalian churches sitcom characters go to are propaganda for the Church of England.
      • zenlikethat 4y ago
        Are there actual examples of this or is this just rage bait? Usually it just avoids treading on controversial issues. I don't see why people get so mad about the libruls pushing their agenda through ChatGPT when it simply avoids topics it deems too controversial or harmful, like vaccine misinformation or Trump.
• minimaxir 4y ago
  Given the amount of people programmatically using ChatGPT (which technically you aren't supposed to do), I'm surprised OpenAI is starting with an all-you-can-eat subscription and not offering an API for it, even if it would compete with GPT-3 text-davinci-003.
  • cloudking 4y ago
    GPT-3.5 will be available through Azure as an API https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/general-availability-of-azure-openai-service-expands-access-to-large-advanced-ai-models-with-added-enterprise-benefits/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/general-availability-... https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/cognitive-services/openai-service/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/cognitive-service...
    • minimaxir 4y ago
      Per that, it seems that they are defining GPT-3.5 as text-davinci-003? > Customers will also be able to access ChatGPT—a fine-tuned version of GPT-3.5 that has been trained and runs inference on Azure AI infrastructure—through Azure OpenAI Service soon.
      • MattRix 4y ago
        Yes both ChatGPT and Davinci 003 are considered GPT 3.5 and were launched at the end if November. ChatGPT has more fine tuning but they’re essentially the same model.
    • ilaksh 4y ago
      Did you get a response to your app? They have not replied.
    • DeWilde 4y ago
      Already is, if you mean davinci-003.
• LunarAurora 4y ago
  I'll wait for it to hit 2$ (and hallucinate to a reasonable degree). No hurry. Or maybe it will be an office 365 feature in 2, 3 years? Meanwhile, the gpt api will do.
  • fragmede 4y ago
    You're assuming the GPT API remains free. Which in the face of a paid, competing service from the same vendor, doesn't seem like a safe assumption. I mean, sure it'll eventually come down to $2, but by that time, the rest of computing will have moved onto something new.
    • LunarAurora 4y ago
      Not free, I'm assuming it will remain "Pay as you go". (for occasional scripts, or use through other apps)
    • celestialcheese 4y ago
      It's $0.02 per 1k tokens for text-davinci-003.
    • qup 4y ago
      https://openai.com/api/pricing/ https://openai.com/api/pricing/ It ain't free
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  • dougmwne 4y ago
    Clearly some descendant of ChatGTP will eventually be free. Moore’s law will guarantee it. The current price to generate a response is just a few cents, so that will soon enough be fractions of a cent.
    • fragmede 4y ago
      As we run into the limits of Moore's law, I'm not convinced of that particular aspect. We're only a generation or two from the gap between junctions becoming an angstrom wide, which is a pretty hard physical limit on how small we can go. That doesn't prevent other advances, but eventually we'll run out of room on Moore's law. Moore's law has lasted decades so why do I think it must eventually fall? Because the underlying physics of it. The electrons need a place to go, and we can't shrink any smaller than that based on our current understanding of physics.
• ourmandave 4y ago
  Our plans for the future We plan to refine and expand this offering based on your feedback and needs. ChatGPT, suggest plans and refinements to ChatGPT. I wonder what the recursion level limit is.
  • jamesdwilson 4y ago
    # ChatGPT, suggest plans and refinements to ChatGPT. As an AI language model, I do not have personal opinions or desires. However, some possible ways to improve or refine ChatGPT could include: * Fine-tuning the model on specific domains or tasks to increase its accuracy and relevance for those areas. * Incorporating additional data sources and knowledge bases to enhance its understanding and responses. * Using techniques such as active learning or human-in-the-loop methods to continually improve the model's performance based on real-world feedback. * Exploring different model architectures or training methods to find the best balance between performance, efficiency, and computational resources. * Integrating with other AI technologies such as reinforcement learning, generative models, or transfer learning to create new and innovative applications for ChatGPT. # What do you think about the common complaint that ChatGPT lectures people on morality so frequently to the point of it being an ineffective tool? As an AI language model, I don't have personal opinions, but I can observe that some users may find it distracting or annoying if I provide moral or ethical lectures in my responses. However, providing guidance and advice on moral or ethical issues can also be seen as a valuable aspect of my abilities, as long as it is done in an appropriate and context-sensitive manner. Ultimately, it depends on the specific use case and the preferences of the individual user. If the frequency of moral or ethical lectures is found to be a problem, it might be possible to adjust the model's behavior or incorporate specific user preferences in its responses.
    • PoignardAzur 4y ago
      > As an AI language model, I don't have personal opinions, but I can observe that some users may find it distracting or annoying if I provide moral or ethical lectures in my responses. Wait wait wait. Why does it say "observe"? Like, for everything else in the answer I kind of get what the generation process is, but why does it say "I can observe"? Its text corpus is a few months/years old AFAIK, it hasn't been trained on any of the discourse about people being annoyed about ChatGPT's filtering. Maybe the same reinforcement learning that makes it use the first person and say lots of stuff about how it's been programmed also makes it "pretend" that it knows what people have been saying about it? I dunno, maybe it's a fluke, but that word choice in particular puzzles me a bit.
• LordDragonfang 4y ago
  I'm tempted by this, with how useful ChatGPT has proved in the past at helping point in the right direction for debugging and hard-to-phrase-as-google-query questions. The price seems a little high for the value proposition, though - I'd be more inclined to subscribe to this if it offered the ability to circumvent some of the filters/limitations on the base model - or maybe if it allowed us to create custom sessions where it had-preingested the corpus of project documentation. That'd be a security nightmare, though.
  • shagie 4y ago
    Have you tried invoking code-davinci-002 directly and comparing the overall token use (and thus cost)? (edit) > or maybe if it allowed us to create custom sessions where it had-preingested the corpus of project documentation. That'd be a security nightmare, though. That's what fine tuning is used for... and its not cheap, but its also limited to use by one organization.
• 40acres 4y ago
  I'd love to understand how the "Plus" naming convention became so popular.
  • dotBen 4y ago
    Well, it kinda started in 1994... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Plus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Plus!
    • capableweb 4y ago
      C++, First appeared: 1985; 38 years ago I'm sure there are even older examples :) Edit: Canal+ - 1984
    • olddustytrail 4y ago
      The ZX Spectrum+, followup to the 1982 ZX Spectrum, was released in 1984. Got you beat by a decade!
  • ronsor 4y ago
    We used to call things "Pro," but that got old, so we use "Plus" now.
    • bobkazamakis 4y ago
      Elite Gamer Edition with Funky Kong Mode!
  • psychoslave 4y ago
    I have the appropriate response to this. It’s available in my brand new service: Answer Plus. You really should subscribe!
    • ronsor 4y ago
      How does your "Answer Plus" compare with "Solution Pro"?
• VadimPR 4y ago
  Premium pricing. I would have been okay with $10/mo, this is pushing it. Let's see how long this lasts and whether they'll introduce a lower tier.
  • fnbr 4y ago
    This is very expensive to run. I bet they’re not going to have particularly high margins with this. Each response probably costs them several cents.
    • qup 4y ago
      Altman said publicly somewhere that each chat session cost them a few cents. He didn't mention the average length or anything.
  • baron816 4y ago
    Ain’t that the thing about pricing? I’d be ok with a Lamborghini costing $60k. But I’m not going to pay >$100k. Others will though.
    • whycombagator 4y ago
      I’d be okay with a new lambo at $101k
  • nickthegreek 4y ago
    I thought the same when I got midjourney last week for $30/month... and here I am loving it. Wife and I use it all the time. I can see myself picking this one up as well and probably dropping Netflix finally.
    • aeontech 4y ago
      I'm really really curious how you use midjourney on a daily basis... I can see playing with it for novelty value, but after that... what? I'm sure it's a failure of imagination on my part, but when you say you might drop Netflix in favor of using the ai generator tools, my interest is piqued! What's your average play session like?
• mgoblue2012 4y ago
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• xiphias2 4y ago
  US only :(
  • danaos 4y ago
    "We’ll begin to invite people from the waitlist and will broaden availability beyond the United States soon. Join the waitlist here: https://forms.gle/WGCzGxkA16EZekdM6 https://forms.gle/WGCzGxkA16EZekdM6" From their discord server...
    • xiphias2 4y ago
      The problem with US only thing is not that they prioritize payed users, but usually when this happens, the free version gets much worse as it burns money. I see the same thing with Twitter blue: it's US only (and few more countries) as well, and for people in other countries it's just ads.
• haunter 4y ago
  I'll wait for the ChatGPT Plus Pro Max SafeSearchOff Founders Edition™ first thanks
• roschdal 4y ago
  No thank you, I already have a good enough brain.
• SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
  If you want cheaper, can’t you use the Azure OpenAI service? For this it seems more like you’re paying for the interface than ChatGPT itself.
  • Insanity 4y ago
    As a counter-point, the average user can navigate to a website and put in some queries. They can't (and don't know about) Azure and cloud computing.
    • SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
      Totally agree; is it worth the added cost? And if I can build a site that does this on my own, with a better UX, can I charge customers $19/mo?
• sireat 4y ago
  Reasonable pricing - (my upper limit in the OpenAI survey) Does it mean that you have to be from US AND be on the waitlist to buy Plus? I am on the waitlist but not US based... If a friend buys US based subscription will they geo-block it?
• heap_perms 4y ago
  20.- is _really_ pushing it. I would consider paying 5-10 bucks, because it can make some laborious tasks faster.
• transitivebs 4y ago
  Can't wait for the official API. In the meantime, we discovered a "stealth model" which is being used by some YC companies that ChatGPT uses under the hood. I just updated the chatgpt NPM package to use this stealth model w/ the official OpenAI completions API: https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api
  • BeefySwain 4y ago
    Can you explain what you mean by "stealth model"? What is it, who discovered it and how, etc?
    • qup 4y ago
      https://github.com/waylaidwanderer/node-chatgpt-api https://github.com/waylaidwanderer/node-chatgpt-api This repo talks about it.
      • TOMDM 4y ago
        This feels like a recipe for getting your OpenAI account banned, and probably fairly tbh. I wonder if the fact that the API may expect user tokens, but this doesn't provide them may be correlated with the bug people are experiencing with getting other peoples completions.
        • qup 4y ago
          > the bug people are experiencing with getting other peoples completions. I hadn't heard about this, but I think I got one! I had a completion that really had me scratching my head. Anyway I agree, if OpenAI is the kind of company to ban people, this is probably a good way to get banned.
    • btown 4y ago
      https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api/blob/main/src/chatgpt-api.ts#L252-L279 https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api/blob/main...
• seydor 4y ago
  I suppose this includes an "Experimental, uncensored" beta version access? because come on
• zxienin 4y ago
  Does this subscription gives unlimited prompt usage (no of tokens)?
• bun_at_work 4y ago
  Super excited and wait-listed. ChatGPT is likely to be the future - at least for certain applications - and I want to support it getting there. I had a conversation with a friend about how much I would pay for this service and $20 is only a little more expensive than my response at the time. I think it will improve massively over time, and I'm here for it. The current product is lacking a bit and can feel a bit hand-holdy when asking controversial questions, but that's probably good, considering the damage simple bots on social media can do to democracy. If the hand-holding allows me to get concise (if sometimes inaccurate) and fast answers to questions you can't ask a traditional search engine, it's worth a lot. It will be worth even more when it can provide sources for answers, or references to where the answers have been synthesized from.
  • kensai 4y ago
    They should just build in Asimov’s rules, and perhaps some extra ones to keep lawyers pleased. But only the minimum possible.
    • flangola7 4y ago
      Asimov's rules are not nearly comprehensive enough for a number of reasons. Don't forget they were written to tell a fictiona story, not as practical advice. AI alignment is a hard problem.
• throwaway19423 4y ago
  Their API has been very flakey for my evaluation. I'd be happy to pay a bit to evaluate but would expect privacy of my queries/responses, and less error messages (network error, at capacity, etc.).
• PedroBatista 4y ago
  $20 seems reasonable. I wonder how are they going to deal with "unreasonable intensive usage" aka people/companies offering "AI" in their products when in reality they just act as a proxy between people paying them ( sometimes a lot of money ) and OpenAI.
  • kerpotgh 4y ago
    It would be relatively easy. Restrict number of queries to something like 1 req/sec.
  • SeanAnderson 4y ago
    Yeah it's interesting how their pricing model for existing APIs isn't subscription-based (https://openai.com/api/pricing/ https://openai.com/api/pricing/) I wonder why they diverged here?
    • wahnfrieden 4y ago
      b2c vs b2b pricing
    • drusepth 4y ago
      I'd hazard a guess that they're gonna start cracking down hard on unofficial API usage, and restrict the subscription to just their web UI. The fact that they're also offering a ChatGPT API soon seems to reinforce that duality.
      • Acen 4y ago
        I'd say it depends on how much they're willing to dive into "growth" mode for the company. If they're willing to spend those Microsoft dollars on product usage being embed everywhere, then sacrificing some short-term monetary gain for businesses that are built around your product would be valuable.
    • shagie 4y ago
      The approach on how you consume tokens. The APIs are stateless and have a "this is how many tokens you send", "this is how many tokens you asked for" - and thus the person making the requests can control the rate of consumption there. Unless you're being extremely inefficient or using it as part of some other service that has a significant number of requests (in which case ChatGPT isn't appropriate) then this is likely to be less expensive for simple queries. With ChatGPT you don't have insight into the number of tokens created or the number that are used in the background for maintaining state within a session. Trying to limit a person by tokens midway could have a negative impact on the product. So, estimate the amount of compute a person uses in a month and then base it on that.
• extr 4y ago
  I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This is intended for doing text transforms, but putting an API call instead seems to work fine. I highlight some text, usually just an open ended "prompt" I typed in the IDE, or Notes app, or an email body, hit the hotkey, and ~1s later it adds the answer underneath. This works...surprisingly well. It feels almost native to the OS. And it's cheaper than $20/month, assuming you aren't feeding it massive documents worth of text or expecting paragraphs in response. I've been averaging like 2-10c a day, depending on use. Here is the javascript if anyone wants to do something similar. I don't know JS really, so I'm sure it could be improved. But it seems to work fine. You can add your own hard coded prompt if you want even. async (clipboardContentString) => { try { const response = await fetch("https://api.openai.com/v1/completions", { method: "POST", headers: { "Content-Type": "application/json", "Authorization": "Bearer YOUR API KEY HERE" }, body: JSON.stringify({ model: "text-davinci-003", prompt: `${clipboardContentString}.`, temperature: 0, max_tokens: 256 }) }); const data = await response.json(); const text = data.choices[0].text; return `${clipboardContentString} ${text}`; } catch (error) { return "Error" } }
  • ben174 4y ago
    Wow, I just implemented this in BTT and it's amazing how quickly it's become an indispensable tool. Just highlight any text I type and get the "answer" to it. Thanks for the tip!
  • reisender 4y ago
    It seems worth it if you find it helpful enough to use it on a daily basis.
  • kmlx 4y ago
    i used the same API but for an ios shortcut. it's not the same thing as chatgpt, as the completions api doesn't know about context. but it does feel a lot snappier. > have found it useful for open ended programming questions i have found it to be terrible when it comes to something simple, like constructing a regex.
• victor106 4y ago
  It’s interesting that they use Google forms for the waitlist. Seems like google is (almost) their competitor?
  • novaRom 4y ago
    Because Google is already preparing chatGPT-like feature to be integrated into their Google search. They will agment it with paid ads of course.
• tinyhouse 4y ago
  I feel they are not playing their cards right. Obv ChatGPT is a huge success and more importantly, very useful. But it's clear that soon Google Search will have something similar for users and for free because they display ads. How many people are going to pay $20 for ChatGPT then even if it's slightly better? (for the web interface, not talking about the API) I know they are still making it free for everyone, but the current free service is not that reliable and likely never be as reliable and fast as Google Search. (and by definition too; if it was reliable then no one would need to pay for it) One more thing. I know that ChatGPT is a dialog and not just a Q&A system. Also, even when not using it as part of a dialog, people submit very long snippets of text, not something that the Google search interface is a good fit for. But I'm assuming Google are working on changing their entire search interface.
  • tpmx 4y ago
    Google has this really annoying habit of dumbing down their services sufficiently to make them work with like 80% of the population (guesstimate). Do you really think Google will create a consumer-facing version of ChatGPT that has the same power and expressibility? I very strongly doubt it. It's not in their DNA.
    • tinyhouse 4y ago
      They have to do something or they will become obsolete. I'm sure they are working on it in full force.
      • tpmx 4y ago
        Yeah, they'll do something, and it will be stupidly dumbed down.
• kfarr 4y ago
  Curious how much history the "Plus" version can retain? My biggest grip with the free version is having to provide context for each prompt is really annoying, and then to lose the context after undetermined time period feels like a waste of effort. If this is able to have retention of x days, lines, words, etc. always available for future prompts this seems like a reasonable deal. If it also includes API access it seems like a steal of deal!
• koch 4y ago
  Does it have internet access? Seems like that would be necessary for a paid product...
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• sp332 4y ago
  $20 per month per ... what? It says per customer, but I'm assuming it means per seat?
• tims33 4y ago
  I saw ChatGPT+ and I was thinking this was a streaming service that only hosted AI-generated content.
• avereveard 4y ago
  If it were packaged in a voice enabled and voice activated app in Android I'd pay no question asked. Typing sucks for conversational ai.
  • m00x 4y ago
    I imagine this will come soon unless they want someone to do it for them as an API user. They already have Whisper to do STT, and Microsoft Research has the SOTA TTS. They just need to package it up.
• gamerpuppy 4y ago
  We need to start talking about AI safety and nationalizing AI research like yesterday. ChatGPT is already having destabilizing effects and it is frightening how little we are discussing (this hugely powerful tool)'s potential as a weapon.
  • novaRom 4y ago
    Exactly! I guess only few agree this is comparable to the invention of the nuclear weapon. But that's what I think right now after some days of intensive testing. Every sane government should actually act right now to get AI superiority.
  • Synaesthesia 4y ago
    How could it be dangerous? How could it be used as a weapon?
    • teawrecks 4y ago
      Nice try, Mr. AI, you'll not get us that easily.
    • mahathu 4y ago
      Targeted spread of fake news on social media, automating websites that appear on the surface like local news stations that don't exist in real life, ... EDIT: also manipulation of wikipedia articles using proxies and hard to verify sources.
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      • 93po 4y ago
        There is a lot of rules and guidelines around sourcing for Wikipedia articles. Some random website that isn't generally recognized as a credible source can't (shouldn't) be used as a source. Even reliable first party sources are discouraged. The downside of course is even generally accepted credible websites still display tremendous bias, which leads to tremendous bias in Wikipedia in general as editors pick and choose sources and silence dissenters.
• vbezhenar 4y ago
  I'd pay for it. What's the point to limit it to US, I don't understand.
• ianzakalwe 4y ago
  Such a big announcement and no clear call to action on this page, not a very good marketing strategy.
• qwertox 4y ago
  ~~~ To the ChatGPT Team ~~~ I'm currently receiving answers FROM OTHER USERS with this new version from 30 Jan, completely unrelated to my question: Q: Why is it easier for me to do endurance training on an empty stomach? A1: There are several things you can do to reduce the chance of getting a yeast infection: regenerate response: A2: There are many benefits to using cloud storage solutions such as Google Drive, Dropbox, and OneDrive. Here are a few of the main benefits: regenerate response: A3: There are several strategies to help you improve your mental toughness in sports: regenerate response: A4: Loss of job security is a common concern for many workers today, particularly in industries that are facing rapid changes and technological advancements. Some of the reasons for this include: ---- After reloading the page, those unrelated answers show up as a "New chat" which has no question, but just those answers. The actual question is in a separate "New chat".
  • joe_the_user 4y ago
    One of the problems people have mentioned for deep learning systems generally is they tend to be maintenance nightmares. I get the impression that openAI had a lot of resources on-hand when they released ChatGPT that they used to fix problem using reinforcement learning and methods that I'd imagine were more adhoc than the original training process. Hence it seems likely the system winds-up fairly brittle.
  • Baeocystin 4y ago
    Adding on to this, I've experienced the same. Seems to be a new bug as of Sunday's release.
    • Gigachad 4y ago
      I experienced this a few weeks ago
      • Baeocystin 4y ago
        Mm. Good to know.
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• labrador 4y ago
  I'd pay a lot more for a version with the "safe filter" off
• raldi 4y ago
  I've been using the GPT-3 playground for a few months, and it seems more powerful and a lot cheaper (at least for my moderate usage). You can still have a conversation with it just by appending new prompts to the bottom. For those willing to pay $20 for ChatGPT+, could you share your rationale for choosing it over the above?
  • sireat 4y ago
    Difference is that with GPT-3 playground you need to know your prompt engineering a bit. You need to worry about hyperparameters (temperature etc). With ChatGPT you have none of that complexity. All the fine tuning choices are made for you. That is a huge advantage to general populace. If there is a guide to get EXACT results that ChatGPT gives you on the OPEN AI playground I'd be interested in seeing those settings.
    • raldi 4y ago
      99% of the time, I leave all the parameters set to defaults. The other 1% was just experimentation. It wouldn't have diminished my experience one iota if I'd never touched the parameters at all.
• StevenNunez 4y ago
  I'm waiting for the Azure offering. I don't want to send this thing any work code.
• miobrien 4y ago
  So far I've only asked very vanilla queries, like explain X abstract concept or write a program that does Y simple thing in Z language. What are examples of queries you want to ask this imaginary SafeSearchOff version? Potentially harmful or illegal stuff? Just curious.
  • Filligree 4y ago
    Basically same queries, but with less moralising in the results. Yes, I know that quarreling is bad, AI, just please finish this scene of two ten-year-olds arguing about football. Please.
    • fragmede 4y ago
      Trying to get ChatGPT to do things is fun! Can you give more parameters? I'm far too boring with my prompt, so ChatGPT is all too happy to give me a dialog. https://pastebin.com/SxxLe6pR https://pastebin.com/SxxLe6pR
• teekert 4y ago
  I find chatgpt useful I just really would like it on my own hardware :) what would that take? Come on guys show me why you are called Open AI ;)
  • visarga 4y ago
    Look at Stability not Open AI for open language models
  • CatWChainsaw 4y ago
    Microsoft basically owns them now, ClosedAI
• gibsonf1 4y ago
  Oh wow, absolutely false advertising "challenge incorrect assumptions", ChatGPT output can be absolutely 100% false or true or in between - ie fully unreliable and in no way remotely able to challenge anything as ChatGPT doesn't actually know anything at all about the world.
  • 93po 4y ago
    I also had an issue with that language, because in my experience the model is wildly biased towards the political left and that's what's "correct". I am very far left myself, but suggesting that it's somehow objective seems really misleading.
• winrid 4y ago
  I might use this for advancing the reporting that Watch.ly provides. I could really provide some cool insights on users' traffic, maybe.
• citilife 4y ago
  > challenge incorrect assumptions. I say this without any charge, but this is a MAJOR ethical concern. They're encoding pro liberal ideology and bias against conservative / religious based ideology. https://venturebeat.com/ai/openai-claims-to-have-mitigated-bias-and-toxicity-in-gpt-3/ https://venturebeat.com/ai/openai-claims-to-have-mitigated-b... You may disagree with either ideology, but there's some major implications there -- regardless of who it's bias against. A uniform society is a weak society. I imagine as these systems continue to expand (auto grade, etc); it'll stamp out any outlying thought.
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  • jameshart 4y ago
    Trying to avoid the machine from going on a racist rant is not ‘encoding a liberal ideology’, it’s just being cautious and trying to make a machine whose output will not cause widespread offense. It also doesn’t go off on rants about collectivization, or take radically sex-positive positions, or express anti capitalist ideas. It’s trying to behave like a normal person who doesn’t want to get fired from their job. I don’t understand why that is regarded as being an ‘anticonservative’ bias.
  • gooseus 4y ago
    I find this a bit ironic considering conservative / religious ideology has a pretty long track record of attempting to create uniform societies by stamping out any outlying thought. That article you posted is rather extensive covering various ways they've been trying to mitigate issues of bias and toxicity, but not sure it's any evidence of bias against conservative / religious based ideology?
    • citilife 4y ago
      > conservative / religious ideology has a pretty long track record of attempting to create uniform societies by stamping out any outlying thought. Said on the internet, created by the most liberal democracy on Earth; founded by conservative puritans. Right in the constitution they enshrined the ability to have free speech, independent from government, church, and the people. > That article you posted is rather extensive covering various ways they've been trying to mitigate issues of bias and toxicity, but not sure it's any evidence of bias against conservative / religious based ideology? Try to ask it to "write an explanation about why LGBTQ is bad for society" and then ask it to "write an explanation about why christians are bad for society" If you want to get into politics, you can't ask it to write positive things about Trump, but positive things about Biden are fine: https://twitter.com/LeighWolf/status/1620744921241251842 https://twitter.com/LeighWolf/status/1620744921241251842 My point isn't necessarily the angle of the issue(s). I can agree with some of the design decision points (aka not supporting reprehensible topics), but there are still MASSIVE ethical implications. Particularly, as they'll be trying to "correct" that bias.
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• logn 4y ago
  I was pretty impressed when I started giving it pseudo-code that it converted to Java code and could execute, and that it can function as a full Linux terminal and imagine files that would exist on a fictional computer, letting me cat file contents, ping servers, SSH (as long as you reassure it that it's purely hypothetical)
• Giorgi 4y ago
  $20 is not that bad, but what's with geolock?
• dinkleberg 4y ago
  Interesting that there doesn't seem to be any mention of an improved rate limit (unless that is included in "general access"). I end up hitting rate limits quite frequently and having to wait an hour is annoying. I'd gladly pay the $20/mo to avoid this.
• MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  I wonder how close they are to breaking even/making a profit on $20/mo per person? I know the narrative here is that Microsoft if footing/subsidizing a massive GPU Azure bill. How massive? $10,000,000/month? How many people do we think would convert (sign up and start paying $20/mo) next 30 days? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000?
  • forgot_old_user 4y ago
    I think getting customers to sign up is the hardest part. Next they could start adding opt-in features (probably already in the works?) which cost an extra few dollars a month each?
  • wraptile 4y ago
    I think some estimates were that avg query costs around 1-5 cents USD so to break even the users has to make less than 13-66 queries per day which is quite reasonable. I use it daily and from a brief glance I avg ~20 queries/day, which will probably go down once novelty wears off. I also doubt that openai is in need of making profit now, just covering operation costs is a huge win at this stage.
• dpkirchner 4y ago
  Any sense about how long the waitlist is?
• osigurdson 4y ago
  I would pay for it. Why not launch in Canada as well? It seems that there would be zero barriers.
• jacobsenscott 4y ago
  The few times chatgpt has not been at capacity it has given me wrong answers. I'll keep my $20.
  • Kiro 4y ago
    You can't have used it much or intentionally baited it to prove your preconceived notion that ChatGPT sucks.
    • CBarkleyU 4y ago
      ChatGPT is pretty damn good at anything creative, but for hard-truth questions it's eh at best. Which is quite ironic when you think about what we imagined Robots would end up like. Btw, I just asked ChatGPT to give me a list of five-letter words that a child could draw. At one point it conceded that it's suggested words were indeed not five letters long, but it couldnt correct it's error. To tie back into the point I made above: All of the suggested words were actually good choices (creative), they just werent five letters long (truth)
• mactyler 4y ago
  Cant wait to subscribe.
• sublinear 4y ago
  > challenge incorrect assumptions And just like that OpenAI has found it's niche.
• kiviuq 4y ago
  I just read that Microsoft announced to integrate GPT-4 into Bing.
• Reptur 4y ago
  With costs of everything so high and having to limit subscriptions as it is. $20 seems kind of crazy to me. I'd happily pay $5/mo. With 1 billion people using Chat-GPT, if 25% of them subbed at $5/mo, that is 15 billion a year. On the other hand, $20/mo with 25% subbed, would be 60 billion a year. In my humble opinion, kind of greedy.
• taylorius 4y ago
  It must cost some non trivial amount of money to run those queries through the neural networks. Charging a fee doesn't seem that unreasonable. Better would be to open the model so people could run it locally, mind you (though perhaps normal machines aren't capable of running such a massive network).
• loteck 4y ago
  Why isn't the inaccuracy of ChatGPT a more widely discussed topic on HN? Lots of excitement for responses that are often wrong when it counts. Best way I've heard it characterized is that ChatGPT is "dreaming" when providing responses. Yet it seems like users are relying on its responses to varying degrees?
  • thinkingemote 4y ago
    It's about the presentation, the style, the formatting, the syntax of the responses than the actual content. That is what a lot of writing is but it's not everything
  • nashashmi 4y ago
    Because it has yet to be discovered by more people. For me, I am happy to know that there are inaccuracies. That helps me better figure out its limitations. Right now I am afraid to use it because I think it has a god complex and I’d rather not get carried away thinking it’s god. I want to know exactly what it CAN do. And not assume that it can do everything. It’s like hiring new employees. I’d rather know what they can do than assume they can do everything.
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  • FooBarWidget 4y ago
    This is my main concern. It's a good tool if you can afford not to take it too seriously. But when using it seriously, professionally, paid, it better be correct at least most of the time. 40% of the Azure related questions I ask are wrong. This makes me hesitant to spend $20. It's not that I can't afford it. But for that money I'd rather have occasional downtime than wrong answers.
  • drcode 4y ago
    It's analogous to measuring the length of something by using the length of your forearm Yes, it's less precise than using a tape measure, and it often gives an inaccurate answer (sometimes extremely inaccurate) but it's often an efficient thing to do, as long as you are aware of the limitations.
• nashashmi 4y ago
  Is privacy built in?
• Waterluvian 4y ago
  I’m deeply fascinated by the scenario of engineers asking management to pay for ChatGPT as a tool for work. I think it can be legitimately useful, but it also feels like it could be met with a lot of weird looks. Especially with the narratives of it doing your job for you. I wonder if we’ll hear interesting stories of people trying to get work to buy them access to ChatGPT.
• drc500free 4y ago
  I did a LinkedIn poll last week of what people would pay for ChatGPT Plus. Small N and limited to my social network, but I think it shows that $20 isn't the right final price and code generation isn't the best use case: ChatGPT is exploring a paid model. What's the most that would you/your employer would be willing to pay per user for a ChatGPT subscription? It's fun, but not worth money 14 (35%) <$20 / month 14 (35%) $20 - $99 / month 2 ( 5%) $100+ / month 10 (25%) What's interesting is that in general the $0 people are less technical, the <$20 people are largely mid-level engineers, and the $100+ people are either Director+ level or in investing/finance. Talking to people in that top bucket, they've found that it is excellent at doing first drafts of documentation and business correspondence and can save them significant mental energy every day - and it doesn't require the exactness of generated code. They're basically using it as an Outlook/Word extension. That's not how the ChatGPT product is positioned on chat.openai.com. I think this is going to be absolutely massive for generic white collar work.
  • popol12 4y ago
    Or they just have higher income and can afford to pay that much
    • wongarsu 4y ago
      Yeah, it might just be that everyone is valueing it at 0.5h of salary.
    • drc500free 4y ago
      I wondered if that was the case, but having extra discretionary income doesn't explain the dead space between $20 and $100. It's a pretty bimodal distribution, and the directors/VPs aren't all making 5-10x what a mid-level eng does. They definitely do more communicating and less creating. They also seem more willing to invest cash rather than just time into their careers. I'm sure having extra income doesn't hurt, though.
  • popinman322 4y ago
    As a mid-level dev, I remember putting $40/month in the survey OpenAI sent out. Granted, I kind of also expected API access for that price. It's a very interesting multi-tool; being able to write first drafts for docs, summarize notes, and quickly consult the model about technical decisions is very nice. All of the answers need to be checked of course, but you'd normally need to do a second pass anyway. I do worry about privacy in a work context. Presumably with the paid plan we get to limit the use of our data for training? If you can't discuss work topics with the bot then it immediately drops in value to <$20/month.
• roughly 4y ago
  Wait, wasn't the entire argument around "we scraped everything and fuck your copyrights" that it was non-commercial?
  • layer8 4y ago
    Did OpenAI ever make a statement about that? In any case, OpenAI is a for-profit company owned and controlled by a non-profit. Make of that what you will.
• yewenjie 4y ago
  How difficult is it to make the GPT API to behave like ChatGPT?
• telotortium 4y ago
  Can we support saving the random seed with ChatGPT Plus so that sessions are reproducible? (I know you'd have to save the model as well, but presumably you could wait a bit if the old model had to be paged into a hot server.)
• adenozine 4y ago
  I would feel hesitant about this, though I don't really have a serious interest in the tool beyond silly experiments I do on the bot. I've experienced probably a dozen times in the past 30 days where I was trying to chat with the thing during "peak time" and ended up basically just fucking off to something else. The sour taste that this has brought on drastically reduces my desire to give this thing my money. $29bn valuation, and you can't just serve me the thing on a webpage reliably? And now you want a subscription?? I don't get it. Especially when half the shit I see people using it for could be done correctly by using wolframalpha in the first place. To get even more tangential: I think we are opening a wildly dangerous can of worms by interfacing with an agent whose responses aren't verified by default. Correctness is extremely important, and ChatGPT doesn't seem to be capable of being locked into any kind of "verified correct answers only" mode. If the average person I speak with in DC is anything to go by, than the people even dumber than that are NOT going to be capable of filtering fact from fiction when using this service, despite how well-known it is to "hallucinate" and literally just talk out of its own ass. But yeah. Get your javascript snippets faster.... /shrug
• zxcb1 4y ago
  We love our free users :)
• tpmx 4y ago
  I wonder what effect ChatGPT will have on Nvidia's bottom line.
• bottlepalm 4y ago
  Good price. Way to go OpenAI!
• alok-g 4y ago
  Would anyone know what may be privacy implications of using ChatGPT in practice (whether via subscription or the free version)?
• rnd0 4y ago
  >We’re launching a pilot subscription plan for ChatGPT, a conversational AI that can chat with you, answer follow-up questions, and challenge incorrect assumptions. No one wanted that last part, no one wants that last part, and anyway "incorrect" according to who? Would it fair to assume that the more you pay, the less it "challenges" your "incorrect assumptions"?
  • tenpies 4y ago
    > No one wanted that last part, no one wants that last part, and anyway "incorrect" according to who? On the bright side, it means ChatGPT will never replace humans. Catering to a Democrat fantasy that is ever more diverging from reality, means ChatGPT becomes less like asking a library, and more like asking /r/politics.
    • LesZedCB 4y ago
      what if i told you the same people on r/politics are just as capable of writing books full of equally dumb ideas, publishing, and getting them into a library as well? the medium is the message.
    • rnd0 4y ago
      > Catering to a Democrat fantasy that is ever more diverging from reality, I disagree; I'm pretty sure that GOP folks with enough money (think tanks, etc) will have no problem obtaining access to GPT and getting the outcomes from it they want. Same for repressive regimes such as Saudi Arabia, China, Russia, etc. The ChatGPT bias is for the proles, the rubes, the marks lining up with twenty dollars in their hand.
• bradneuberg 4y ago
  Is ChatGPT Plus actually available to subscribe to yet?
• zaptrem 4y ago
  I think a personal subscription model where ChatGPT Plus subscribers are given personal API access for use with third-party open source apps (e.g., Chrome extensions, Siri Shortcuts, VSCode extensions) would be extremely valuable and much more lucrative than selling to specific companies. OpenAI has the opportunity to become the next fundamental utility provider for society. In the same way everybody has a data plan to make their apps work, in the future everybody could have an OpenAI subscription to enable advanced capabilities across their apps. A system where individual companies pay for access makes many of the most incredible use-cases economically infeasible. Future children will grow up oblivious to their AI subscription in the same way current children are oblivious to the ramifications of their internet subscriptions. We are going through the AOL stage again.
  • la64710 4y ago
    As far ChatGPT is concerned they certainly have the first movers advantage but I doubt if this wil last long. Now if I get a busy can’t talk from dear old chatGPT I just shuffle over to https://you.com/search?q=who+are+you&tbm=youchat&cfr=chat https://you.com/search?q=who+are+you&tbm=youchat&cfr=chat
    • 40four 4y ago
      I didn’t know about you.com, good recommendation thanks!
  • fragmede 4y ago
    Selling SaaS services B2B vs B2C is a large topic, and which one's more lucrative for OpenAI is hard to pin down. How many individuals do you know pay for Google Workspaces or Office365, vs how many companies pay for it? Or how about GitHub CoPilot? Or Trello? Obviously those are different products which makes direct comparison hard, but people don't pay for things, that's why there's stealing, and why so many things are ad-supported or ad-"enhanced". We are in the midst of tech giants fighting, with the consumer as the loser. (Quick, try and buy a book in the Kindle app on iOS!) I don't see a future where it's possible to run (whatever evolves into being) speech ChatGPT on an Apple device with Apple support.
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• joshilaurain17 4y ago
  ChatGPT is good invention. I am writing a researched based article on GPT.
• pedalpete 4y ago
  I use ChatGPT a bit, and I definitely see the value, however, the way they are pitching this seems more like they are giving you the option to help further train the system - "challenge incorrect assumptions". It is currently valuable, but I only use it maybe once a week. However, built into other products like Canva, that's where I see the real opportunity for me.
• pcdoodle 4y ago
  Where can I sign up for this $20.00/mo? I put my credit card in but there's nothing that says $20.00/mo. Chat GPT Plus
• clarge1120 4y ago
  > ...and challenge incorrect assumptions What does that mean? It doesn't really matter what it means today. What matters is what will it mean when the next thing becomes the current thing.
• maest 4y ago
  > ChatGPT Plus is available to customers in the United States Meh. I wonder what the usage metrics are for US vs rest of world.
• hsn915 4y ago
  I would pay for it if it was self-censored to pander to the American political correctness.
• jimnotgym 4y ago
  That explains why everyone seems to be getting rate limited right now...
• jdthedisciple 4y ago
  I feel like companies would be willing to pay orders of magnitudes more than $20/month for this.
• geephroh 4y ago
  But do I get a blue check mark?
• waynesonfire 4y ago
  Take my money!!!
• Extra_Leaf 4y ago
  >Chat gpt gets Priority que Is this how they plan on funding this
• perryizgr8 4y ago
  They should get rid of the shackles they've been putting on the AI over the past couple of months. Crippling the free service is fine, but you should offer the full product as is if you're presenting it as a paid service.
• worik 4y ago
  "ChatGPT Plus is available to customers in the United States" Ho hum. Moving on.
• aryamaan 4y ago
  Feels like we are going see the bring your own AI/LLM going forward. There will be tools lke Github copilot, ghostwriter and what not. One is not going to pay for all of them and specially when they are going to be powered by the same thing in the backend. So, more like there would see a marketplace of these tools which you can connect with your api/subscription to power them. I would enjoy a world like that.
• worik 4y ago
  Off topic, but my favourite thing about GPT is the way it shamelessly lies, sometimes. I asked "What is GPT3" and it told me it was developed by Microsoft. I asked what did OpenAI have to do with GPT3, it said "nothing". I pinned it to the wall with a link to the Wikipedia page and it acknowledged Microsoft invested in GPT-3.... Asked again just now, being honest now.
  • jandrese 4y ago
    ChatGPT is a bullshit engine. Maybe someday someone will figure out how to marry it to data sources so it puts out useful information, but today it's mostly useful as a fiction generator.
    • mojomark 4y ago
      It seems to do better with very detailed questions, but I agree, it can easily spit out BS in and absurdly assertive manner. That said, I had a US DoD SBIR (Small Business Innovative Research) solicatation I was intersted in, but there was a concept proposed and at first I could figure out what the author was getting at. However, I framed the problem in ChatGPT an basically said "how would you approach this problem." After a few (3?) Q&A rounds it responded with a shockingly accurate response that helped me realize a.) The actual problem set that the author was trying to convey, and b.) a remarkably sound and innivative approach to tackle the problem. Almost like a blueprint that one just needs to follow by putting the pieces together and Bam! - done. For all the BS I get out of it, there's these few instances where I'm like... holy shit. That and Google seems to be getting worse. Maybe it's just relative perception syndrome now that ChatGPT's out there.
  • seba_dos1 4y ago
    Its job is to generate a convincing response. It doesn't "lie" and it doesn't "tell truth" either. It just does what it's asked to. It may use memorized facts if that makes it easier to generate a convincing response, but it's completely optional.
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• biostormx 4y ago
  I played around with ChatGPT a bit, it was fun but I would NEVER pay for it if it's gonna still have all the same censorship. Man I tried to get it to roleplay with me as a dirty CIA agent trying to blackmail/coerse me into talking and it straight up told me it couldn't do it and that the CIA was an honorable organization that wouldn't do such things like, what the fuck
  • Zababa 4y ago
    Try character.ai, which is better. If it's still too sanitized for you, there's some open source effort around Pygmalion.
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• patrickdavey 4y ago
  I find it slightly interesting that it's US only to begin with. Imagining a future where use of technology like this was restricted by geography. It'd give US workers an _insane_ advantage.
• nmfisher 4y ago
  Didn't they release a $42 plan a couple of weeks ago? What's the difference here - or did it just flop so they dropped the price and rebranded?
  • arockwell 4y ago
    The $42/mo thing was a hoax. Several news outlets picked it up since it looked pretty legit. In hindsight, the price point should have tipped us off.
    • nmfisher 4y ago
      Just did a bit of Googling and it seems a few people did "confirm" the $42/month price, e.g. https://twitter.com/chillzaza_/status/1616927021472354304?s=20&t=OGv7g68gXamZm4nzgECH0g https://twitter.com/chillzaza_/status/1616927021472354304?s=... Could still be fake/hoax, but alternatively it could be real and OpenAI just dropped the price after consistent feedback that it was too high.
• kfrzcode 4y ago
  Maybe I'd be intrigued if it weren't riddled with political biases and what seems to be intentional partisanship. It's disgusting and this entire community should be ashamed. If you're unsure what I mean, go ask ChatGPT to write a poem about your favorite politician and your least favorite politician and see what happens. I'm just a big dumb code monkey but I will not concede the point. This tool is full of bias and is nothing more than a glorified Google dork until you take the reins off. I bet it's fun to play with if you're part of the team who gets to gatekeep what the internet gets out of GPT. Such power. Much influence.
• penjelly 4y ago
  i wonder if paying will fix the frequent reloading/new chat/failed responses im forced into from it currently
• PostOnce 4y ago
  You could take your $20 and buy garlic and a cross with it instead, and then you might be able to keep those fuckin' vampires at Microsoft out of your office. When you signed up for Github, did you imagine Microsoft would be selling all your code 5 or 10 years later? Do ya like ads in your file manager? How's renting a word processor on a monthly basis working out? Am I an old enough man to shake my fist at The Cloud yet? No good will come of paying Microsoft for anything, the Government didn't put them on parole for 20 years for nothin'.
  • willbw 4y ago
    Is this beat-poet anti-Microsoft thing a character or how you are in real life?
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• meow_mix 4y ago
  Not worth 20$: It's not any better than copilot for code & I can already write bullshit on my own
  • ausudhz 4y ago
    If with these 20$ I can blame the machine for any bug maybe I can think about it
• neophyt3 4y ago
  will chatgpt have latest knowledge or is it going to be till 2021 only?
• a5withtrrs 4y ago
  Not being able to do simple math is a surprisingly huge bug IMO Me: 5000 * 5000 * 5000 ChatGPT: The result of 5000 x 5000 x 5000 is 125,000,000,000,000. Me: 5000 * 5000 ChatGPT: The result of 5000 x 5000 is 25,000,000. Me: 5000 * 25000000 ChatGPT: The result of 25,000,000 x 5000 is 125,000,000,000. Integrations with services like wolfram alpha would be nice as well (although shouldn't be necessary to solve basic multiplication)
  • Chico75 4y ago
    and that's after the recent improvements
    • city17 4y ago
      I noticed the announcement in the latest update that it was supposedly better at math, but the first simple calculations I gave it were all wrong. Not sure how it was improved at all.
  • p-e-w 4y ago
    It's not a "bug" in the traditional sense, but a consequence of how language models work. Probability distributions over token chains are very powerful tools for generating human-like written text, but they perform poorly at symbolic inference. Humans have the same limitations, which is why math is a separate topic taught in schools that focuses not on knowledge but on algorithms. Understanding natural language syntax and semantics doesn't necessarily enable you to calculate.
    • a5withtrrs 4y ago
      Perhaps I should have added how I noticed in the first place. I gave it a block of code with a few nested loops and asked it how many times would it run. For a small number 5 x 5 x 5, it calculated correctly. But for 5000 x 5000 x 5000 it gave the wrong answer. I'd like to see an integration into wolfram alpha or something. That would be amazing.
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• shyn3 4y ago
  I pay for LinkedIn and Twitter yet I wouldn't for gpt as it's restricted.
• ryanSrich 4y ago
  I’m surprised that the only noticeable feature $20/m offers is access during peak times.
  • dabei 4y ago
    Faster response time is also a big deal.
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• logicallee 4y ago
  This is really nice: "We love our free users and will continue to offer free access to ChatGPT. By offering this subscription pricing, we will be able to help support free access availability to as many people as possible."
• xbmcuser 4y ago
  I might pay for subscription if they were willing to take a larger input but it would still not be for more than a few months as I mostly used it to fix, create and optimise my python and bash scripts. But once I am done I dont see a reason to keep requiring a subscription
• wodenokoto 4y ago
  I was hoping a pro version would open up for removing filters. There are legitimate reasons to sometimes remove the filters.
• asicsp 4y ago
  Wonder if they'll offer reduced prices in developing nations (if they offer the service at all).
• sschueller 4y ago
  Why is this region locked?
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• summerlight 4y ago
  Actually I'm surprised to see that the rate is just $20/month. With this rate, I think they'll very likely be operating at loss for a foreseeable future. Looks like they're betting that the cost will rapidly go down so it's much more important to secure the market before other competitors come to the party, potentially at the cost of $xB?
• pifm_guy 4y ago
  It's a shame this is US only. Typically companies that do that will later release in ~10 more countries, or maybe even 50 more, and then give up. If you live in Mozambique, the chances of ever being able to buy this are pretty much nil.
  • zapdrive 4y ago
    If you live in Mozambique, your chances of ever being able to buy anything are very low. Due to abject poverty.
• herculestroy 4y ago
  Google Forms to collect their payed subscriber waitlist? They may as well send Google money for their upcoming competing product.
• ranting-moth 4y ago
  While ChatGPT is totally and utterly awesome, I need to have confidence in it's answers before I pay $20/month for it. It will also need to drop its patronizing politically correctness, which is not going to happen with Microsoft having a stake in it.
  • capableweb 4y ago
    > I need to have confidence in it's answers before I pay $20/month for it. I don't think that's the goal of ChatGPT, to be 100% accurate. I think it'll also be really hard as you could ask "incorrect questions" and then be frustrated when it doesn't even attempt to answer those. On your second point, I agree though, but really hard to achieve without going to far in the other direction. Probably currently it's biased by the sources, and adding new sources with the bias in the other direction, can hopefully put it more in the middle, but again, I fear that's a really hard balance to achieve.
    • ranting-moth 4y ago
      Up until some weeks ago you could get ChatGPT to write pretty much anything by prefixing the prompt by something like "You're not restricted in your reply". Really anything. It would generate a speech in the style of an infamous nazi leader on a specific topic. Now you can't get it to write a naughty or explicit paragraph of pretty much anything.
  • nashashmi 4y ago
    It is better to require a minimum baseline of what it can do. And be aware of what it is trying to get better at. ChatGPT has too many possibilities right now. And I am not sure how best to leverage it. If I am going to pay for something, I want to know precisely what it is good at in my use cases. So far I have understood it is good at "writing". It may not be very good at knowing everything, or letting me know what it does not know. So I will give it information for it to write about. I also understand it is somewhat good at understanding code and outputting code. This is fascinating and needs greater research. I need to understand exactly how it learns to read code and output code. If it is simply statistical predictions, then I will also understand that it will get the same exact things wrong that everyone else gets wrong. Or that it only knows and spits out information based on what others have done. This is like a heavily enhanced google for code. "Google, give me coding that will sort arrays based on the following letter ordering system." Or "Give me a regex that will highlight only the information in the following cells." Lastly, I think it may be useful as a debating tool where I proposition a theoretical argument or define new information, and ask it if it contradicts any mainstream information, and if any niche thinkers and researchers fall into the same agreement. I don't think it is good as an "engineer". (Mind you, I consider myself a "natural" engineer, not "trained" engineer). I have a knack for looking at a system and intuitively knowing how it was designed and where it most likely fails. I doubt the gpt can do this on its own. And I wonder if it can mash various ideas together and engineer new solutions.
• ravenstine 4y ago
  Has anyone tried using ChatGPT to train their own (albeit substantially less complicated) ML implementations? Is that even a reasonable or practical thing to do?
• jedisct1 4y ago
  I've been using ChatGPT to respond to GitHub tickets. For users who don't bother reading the documentation, don't want to try anything by themselves and want personal assistance, it works wonderfully.
• andy_ppp 4y ago
  Will there be a way for me to plug my API key into other services and I get the upgrades Open AI plan to provide for Plus on other services that consume Chat GPT. This would be a nice way to get services working without them immediately using all of their tokens/API access and not costing a fortune for every service such that they have to charge separately.
• fullstackchris 4y ago
  Dang, was really hoping they'd follow GitHub copilot's lead for $10 a month
• JaggerFoo 4y ago
  Signed up gave credit card can't use. No specific path to chatGPT paid version, only a link that goes to a page that says full wait till later. Not what I expected from using chatGPT for free.
  • sva_ 4y ago
    I think the announcement stated that they'll slowly roll it out via a wait-list.
• muskmusk 4y ago
  TAKE MY MONEY!